Check it on Man No Down then Wednesday evening November Beating the Book podcast megapod from the south Point Hotel Casino. You may have noticed the night before we usually do this and not at the d but at the south Point because we're accommodating Mike Palm's itinerary. He's got a big week. We'll get into that momentarily, Scale Alexander, thanks for listening. It's week nine in the National Football League.
Staples of the show are the guys on Skype. Guests on the show today are the guys with me at the south Point. First, the Staples uh in his mom's cork Addict there in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. It's Todd wished that how you doing, Toddy Dodd, Hi, Gilly Iceman, Iserson. I just want you to know the Pittsburgh Steelers are a real organization. The Washington football team is not a good organization. Enough said, thank you good like twenty seconds into the pod.
People are turning it off already after that, and Mikey, Mike Palm, Derek Stephen's conciliary, the VP of Operations and Circuits Sports, would you like to tell everybody why you are in Washington? D C. Well. That that that. Thank you, Gil. I'm in your stomping grounds here. I've been appointed the Board of directors of the American Gaming Association and we have annual meeting here tomorrow at the Kempton Monaco Hotel
in Washington. So I'm here and then after the meeting, I fly to Iowa to help promote the launch of Circuits Sports in Iowa. So it's a tremendous week for me. That's a that's another way of saying doing the lord's work of the course, beautiful job. Indeed, that's a that's a pretty big honor, isn't it, Mike, to to be on the board of Directors. Oh yeah. There's some heavyweights and heavyweights to the gaming gaming industry on this board
and this is there our chief lobbying body. So it was an honor and hopefully we can enact some change that will affect everyone positively positively. That's right, okay. And the guests of the show today, and it's kind of a a sort of good accident to have you there and not be able to do the show on Thursday morning because Las Vegas. Chris, who's been on the show many many times before, multiple contest winner here in Las Vegas at the Palms. He's won the win before last
Man Stand in college football over there at Stations. Of course you finished second and fifth and Circum Millions last year and Circle Millions too. He does a podcast with Adam Churnoff the same time we do it on Thursday, so we weren't gonna be able to have him this year, but because we switched to Wednesday, Las Vegas, Chris in the house, how are you doing, man, You're good? This is fraud. I was told there was an open bar. We can we can arrange for that. Waitings make it happen,
South Pole and maybe not good to be here. Thank you very much, Thank you very much for being here. And Jeff Parlay, everybody producing number five and eight, the Grover Cleveland producers also on the show. Thank you Parlay. Of course I can't pass up an opportunity to be on the show and an opportunity to see the cork attict behind man you as you've been in the court,
I have yes. Actually that's when he showed up behind you one day last year during the podcast, and then Todd totally beat my ass and tennis that day because he's really, because he's ten feet tall at the net. There's nothing you can do. Is he really good tennis? Guess what the weather was, what there were outside? Wait, hold on you, Chris, repeat what you just said. Is he really good at tennis? So let's let's put it this way for someone. And Todd has lost a lot
of weight. When Todd was a little bit bigger than he is, he was significantly better than you would have ever expected anyone of that weight to be a tennis I remember playing poker with these fat, pudgy guys fifteen years older than I was at the time, in my early twenties, and we're talking racketball, and these guys wanted to gamble on racketball. I was playing a lot of racketball at the time, and I thought it was the easiest money I could ever make. Just wiped me out.
I was just like two fifteen one, you know, Chris. That's why I do the tennis barn storming tour. Bill will tell you all about my tennis barn storming. When I gamble with people in tennis and they think they can play me, and they get romped. Sometimes sometimes he's so big that you can't see the sun at a certain point. So he's like, he's he's a no. Mike Palm tried to beat him with the moonball strategy that no but but but Todd, but Todd will employ the
moon ball strategy against you. Todd can't return by Truss. Oh wow, there inspired Chris Toy. I played just so you know. Today I played. It was forty six degrees out, so I am dedicated to that. He's ready to go. Okay, So we want to get to week night because week night we're gonna get to Survivor, which is just nuts. This week, Um, we're gonna get to everything. Our three best bets teasers, last two questions, big favorite, most likely lose out right of course, a team you want no game,
rather that you want no part of. But first, Mikey a Circus Survivor update. We finally had carnage. Yeah we did. The Cincinnati Bengals took out a huge portion of the field over forty one percent last week, and then some other folks getting eliminated along the way with some nervy place So Gil, we're finally down to less than what we started with last year. Yeah, finally, uh, finally, the the exact number by the way, because I actually wrote it down because I was curious myself. We started last
year with and how many last year thirteen ninety. We're down to UH eleven eighty eight. I believe eleven eighty eight. But it's not apples to apples because people have used up tons of teams. Yes, so we started with forty eight four thousand eighty this this year's circle survivor did not. We did, but it started with four thousand eighty exponentially, you know, almost four times more UH this year. But the Bengals alone took out forty point nine percent of
the remaining entries this past week. Forty four point two percent total were eliminated this past week, So eleven eighty eight left um todd the And by the way, how many people didn't submit? Mike? Well, see this is where people were going on and on about there were seven entries not submitted, but one person had five of them. Oh yeah, he came down at ten after three or three twenty or whatever. It was very angry with us that we wouldn't let him in this it's your fault, yeah, absolutely, yeah,
poor dude. Well, he was in a poker tournament that was his excuse. You know, they have breakes in poker tournaments. They have bathroom breaks and you also they have something called the blinds. You can just get up and walk away. Don't they have an app also that you could hit handle on your hand if there was only an alarm on your phone. He was mad, He said, how come at to fifty didn't get a call? A courtesy call? Yeah, we're gonna How come I didn't get a call when
I took the Raiders? How come somebody didn't call me? He called you, He tried to tell you, Todd. Okay, Well, listening to a guy like that who's extremely reasonable. All right, Todd, what is our court stenographer? What was our record last week? Well? I want to give a little congratulations to my good friend Gilly the iceman Cometh for a big week last week, going two and one with the Niners Carolina, losing with the Jaguars. He lost his teaser to go to five
two and one. He won two out of three regular so he's nine and fifteen. He's right back in the hunt. Because me and Mikey took oh and threes, oubsolutely blasted. I took a very bad beat in Las Vegas. Chris is gonna get mad at me. But I did take a very bad beat in the over fifty and a half of the Green Bay game and then the other two or whatever, and Mikey really was on the wrong side of everything. He had the Chargers minus five Washington football team over since Sinnati minus ten and a half.
Actually we'll give him that one. He might have covered on the Cincinnati minus tend half. But the bottom line is Mikey is now eleven twelve and one. I am ten and fourteen. So it's all getting tight on the regular thing. On the teasers, I am still in first place at six and two, might get five and three. Gilly right behind it five two and one, So it's
very tight on the teasers as well. So I'm in second half game out Mikey, second teasers and you are third on picks, but you're right there in striking distance. And I have a feeling, Mike he's gonna have another bad week because he's out there. You know who we're, you know, hanging out with the grand two balls to try to help the giant corporations gambling corporation that need help. Chris, you you had a comment for Todd's bad beat remark. No, I don't mind people mentioning a bad beat and moving
on from it. It's the people who moan about it. Oh God, it act like you've won before. I mean, seriously, it's just infuriating. Yeah, it's a lot in my Twitter if you want to see my moaning and bitching. I just can't take it. I really can't. I mean, it's part of your people always forget about the great beats they have, and they want to piss and moan endlessly about the bad beats. And if you're any good at what you're doing, you're going to put yourself in position
for more of them. So it's totally true. The confirmation that's what I said earlier. You didn't give me. That's it's a confirmation bias of only recognizing the beats that are they go against you, rather than ones that they are in your favor. Totally totally believe that. Let's start with the best bets, Chris. What about Thursday Night? Oh, Thursday Night, Thank you, Todd, I really should know the
format of this show. Thursday Night. It is the Jets at Indian Apples, the Jets coming off the Mike White game. Four five yards passing, the most ever for a rookie debut, with the exception of Cam Newton's for twenty and his rookie debut years ago. The most passing yards for Jets quarterbacks is Vinny Testaverity in two thousand they beat the Bengals. That was the source of mo of the Survivor carnage.
But Indianapolis coming off the the loss in overtime to the Titans where Carson Wentz had maybe the worst interception I've ever seen in my life than another one in overtime, but the Colts scored two more touchdowns by just chucking the ball up the field and having a d back on the other team run into their receiver. That's their best play. The Colts are ten and a half point favorites in this game. Chris, any any play on this
at all. This doesn't have to be one of your bets, but just curious about No, I can't play a game like this because you know Wentz starts this season is chump, then he's a hero, and now he's a chump again. You've got more injuries going on with the team, and this team is by far so much better than they than their record is indicated. It's it's just a shame
that they don't have a better record. But you don't know, you know, the Jets are getting stronger on defense, and they may show up with that kind of point spread in that type of game. How can you really, you know, convincingly play either side. And I'm not much of a totals guy, so I can't come in on that play you playing it. I want to, but I'm not going to. Look we how much of what we saw last week is just a total aberration from Mike White and how
much of it is real? I have no idea because at least when he came in a game against New England, the first throw was looked confident to touchdown to Davis. He looked confident until about midway through the third quarter, and then the wheels completely came off in that game. But he was great the whole game against since both intercept The first interception just led Crowder a little too much, too much heat, deflected ball, fluky, second one total fluke
playoff Carter's helmet fluky. Other than that, he was basically perfect eight in completions, absolutely incredible. But look, the Jets have gotten destroyed on the road. They're they're minus seventy two point differential and traditional road games this year. So I have no faith in that coaching staff to get the ready on a short week on the road. And they have tape on Mike White. Now, which is the other big thing? Todd or Mike any play on this game. I'm taking the Jets, but not as one of my
best three plays. I think this is too many points. I think that's a devastating emotional loss for the Colts to come back on a short week and give Mike White credit. He was terrific. He threw for four hundred yards after thirty eight years ago, leading Illinois to the
rose Ball. A old coach reference, Christie Andrews, who I do guessing lines with, who runs the South Point Sports book, said he had some story where like his relatives or his relatives and their friends were like trying to blend in with Americans, and they all had like fake American names, and they asked one of them, They're like, what's your name? He's like Michael White, Mike Todd anything on this Mike White. I remember him at Western Kentucky and maybe he's like
a poor man's Drew Brees. I remember him too, you know, you know the the Sometimes I think these NFL teams they get too enamored of the you know, it's almost like the non money ball. Oh the guy looks like a great quarter you know. It's the same reason Tom Brady went in the sixth round. Now, I'm not saying Mike White's going to be great or anything, but he did play on on a team where he had to make a lot of decisions from the quarterback position, and
he did it very very well Western Kentucky. Now, obviously he probably doesn't have the all the you know, tools that they look for in an NFL quarterback or something. But you know what, he might be good because I remember that Western Kentucky offense being very very good. And maybe he'll be okay until they figure him out, or maybe he'll just be okay period. Alright, alright, best bets
of the weekend, Let's have one from you, your top bet, Chris. Right, it's a no special special, Okay, that's fine, we'll ask you later. To Regan. All right, I'm I'm picking the game where both teams have lost seven games in a row and one of them is number thirty two and one of them is what is thirty one on my rankings. Offensively, one team is thirty the other one is thirty one. Uh,
offensively and then defensively exactly the same. So my philosophy is, when you can take points with two bad teams, you take the point. So I'm taking Houston, Wow, regardless of it's Davis Mills or to Rod Taylor. I don't Yeah, you know, the line's inching up, so I'm kind of thinking it might not look good for Tyrod. I don't know, that's what it sort of indicates. So but you know what, you don't bet bad teams unless you're getting points from
other bad teams. Although that backfired last week with Philadelphia and Jacksonville. So I'll do the square mdo theory. Yeah, that was that happened Seattle Jacksonville to last week. That was like, the bad teams looked horrific awful. So what are we giving him six and a half or seven? Gilly half? It is I six and a half, six and a half, six and a half times six and half.
All right, Jeff Parlay your first pick. We're gonna go back to the Brandon Staley Well and the l A Chargers laying only a point and a half on the road at Philadelphia. Look, I have said it with you, Gil, I've said it uh in our numerous phone conversations that Wes Reynolds and I have had trying to figure out our circle millions picks. The Eagles to me are a bad football team. That are they are poorly coached. That defense only performs well against bad offenses, and we saw
it last week against a bad offense in Detroit. That defense looked absolutely spectacular. Jalen Hurts through for a hundred and seven yards last week and they scored forty four And when they scored forty four points, Jalen Hurts against good teams this year, Gil has looked abysmal. Now, I know the Chargers can't stop the run, and the one thing Hurts does well is move with his legs and
actually create some plaze with his legs. But in the end here the Chargers offense is going to look better than it did last week against New England and the week before that before the bye with the Ravens. So get right a scenario where for me, the Chargers, if they're anything like the team we thought they were three weeks ago, they'll go on the road and handle their business and cover one one and a half in Philly. Alright, Chargers. That that's the most interesting line of the week to me,
most interesting line of the week. American Gaming Association Board of Director Mike Paul your first, Todd, what is the line current line on the Vikings and Ravens. I love what he asks. Six. I'm gonna see I have I have six to heard from Chris all Right, I have six. I'm gonna I'm gonna lay six. I think that you know what I did. I did not see much of the Cowboys Vikings game on Sunday night because it was Halloween and I was trying to trick or treat with
my son. Look, that's a bad loss for the Vikings. I watched the game on the plane right on NF on network. They were replaying, and that's a bad loss from the Vikings to Cooper Rush horrible loans. It's a horrible loss. And now compound that with the fact that you go into Baltimore the Ravens are off a bye week and off a home loss to the Bengals. A bad spot anyhow, Becausin's I'm starting to agree with Todd wishnev.
This Cousins is just not good. I mean, he wants to check it down and check it down, and check it down and check it down, even against NONNI League defenses. I think this game is a total route. I don't think that Mike Zimmer can kick enough field goals in the first half to keep them in the game against the Ravens. And I'll lay anything less than a touchdown here, all right on the Ravens. Yeah, the Vikings welcome. Hey, Kirk Cousin, show Mike. Here's the thing though, like that
that coaching staff from Mike Zimmer, Clint Kubiak. It's so bad. They were one of thirteen on third downs in that game against Dallas. They could not have looked worse. I don't really know if it's in Kirk Cousin this thing. I really don't listen. I endured years of him in d C. Why isn't it the Dallas defense. Dallas defense deserves credit. I had no fear that the backup quarterback was going in. I really felt Dallas was going to
win the game anyway. Yeah, Dallas is if solid, solid team, Well they are there a top five team for sure at this point, Todd your first pick. I'm gonna go back to the well with the game I lost last week, which was the Houston Texans. Again, I'm gonna go under in their game against the Miami Dolphins. Another team that sucks, but I think they can keep Houston out of the end zone. So give me under. I believe the number is forty five and a half. Under forty five and
a half because the Texans can't score. It's here point the extra half point. Don't sing it again, though, don't give me the forty six. You know what, I just think that um Houston games are under games. The only way they go over is when ridiculous stuff happens at the way end, like what happened last week against the Rams. Houston just cannot score. I don't care how bad Miami is on defense, I still don't think Houston can score. And these teams are worse on offense than they are
on defense. So give me under forty six in the Houston Miami game. Under forty six, Houston Miami. Man multiple bets on the poop poo platter game between the Texans and the Dolphins. All right, what is the line for? What is the current line is it seven and a half Kansas City hosting Green Bay? That's right here, it is seven. There are seven and a halfs in the world, though, what's the consensus. I would say almost everybody has seven and a half except for one or two seven. Okay,
so seven and a half it is. Give me the Jordan's Love lad green Bay Packers. Um, oh, you're going with the Packers? Yes, I think that. And the Aaron Rodgers news came down this morning on a numbers game. Jeff and I parlay and I we we navigated through that whole thing. Yes, the difference in the line between Aaron Rodgers and Jordan's Love. We expected the market to react as it did, and it did, in fact, go seven and a half points towards the Chiefs. I had
the Chiefs and survivor on Monday night. Anybody who had to endure that, uh knows just how diseased that football team is. They are so bad right now, like to the point where it's very difficult for us to purge from our brains how good they were to how bad they've become. Andy Reid is not content with a running game. They were very effective on the ground in that one touchdown drive against the uh against the Giants the other night, he wasn't content with it. Patrick Mahomes is extremely loose
with the football. He's extremely impatient. UM defenses have realized that that the blueprint is don't blitz Mahomes, double Tyreek double Travis Kelsey. I think the Packers are going to really treat like they are very pumped. I think in some weird way to be able to have this challenge a week after they had you know, by the way, they're on extra rest here, a week after they didn't have Davante against the the Arizona Cardinals and knocked them from the ranks of the unbeaten. I think that they
cover this number here. And by the way, if I were a survivor player and I'm tempted by Kansas City, I would caution people not to be tempted by them. That's how much I think the Chiefs have fallen. So I'm taking Green Bay plus the points my first. They're impatient, by the way, I couldn't agree with you more, Killy, They're the most impatient football team. They could run the ball for a hundred yards of play and they don't do it because they're impatient. They want to look superstars.
They want to look to throw the ball over the place. If they would just run the ball, they could score every time. There's another thing going on. When r G three had his Rookie of the Year season in twelve and then he got hurt, and people love to bust on r G three, and it's the most unfair thing that they could ever say about any we got hurt, the rest of his career was ruined. But when he came back from the injury, his mechanics were never the same.
He just was a terrible, you know, mechanical quarterback. Patrick Mahomes is making all these great, beautiful side arm throws and everything, but you watch him now, he is like if you listen to Kurt Warner on the radio broadcast, Kurt Warner was a Hall of famer. It was very clear to say, hey, look I'm not Patrick Mahomes. I never was. But like, there are some open throws that his mechanics just suck, and that's very difficult to recapture. Um,
I know it's Jordan's love. I don't know what we're getting with Jordan's love, but give me the seven and a half points. Gil one one, one, one last thing on Kansas City, though that I'm curious to what the what the group thinks here because Travis Kelsey's deteriorating health and deteriorating skill is what stood out to most me so far this year. Because Kelsey looks like remember at the end of his Gronk's tenure in New England where his back just basically gave out and he couldn't move.
I don't think Kelsey's hurt to the extent that Gronk was, but he really looks like Gronkowski. I don't know how much of that is that defenses are doubling him more, but he doesn't get open anymore. I will tell you my answer to that is I noticed his his facial expressions, at his body language. He looked like way too negative for what was that like. He just didn't have any interest in fighting through the predicament he found himself in.
That was my reaction. I'm not sure what anybody else thinks. Did you see Andy Reid at the press conference. I hadn't seen him in a while. He looked five years older than the last time I saw you, and he just really eluded no confidence whatsoever. He was just saying it was like, oh my god, what's going on? Lombardi had an interesting comment. I asked him a couple of weeks ago about that. Lombardi said, what was it? Who was it Mike who died? In his family? Who was
that his son? You just wonder if like that affects him in a way that we've like almost forgotten about how a human being would be affected. He looked five years older in a year. He really does. And also too, we did one of his sons passed away from from from an overdose, and then his other son was just in that horrible uh potential d w I crash in Kansas City that uh that left a young girl basically brain dead too, So a lot of I mean, it's
definitely there, and you're right. He he looks significantly older than he did in the postgame press conference last year in the Super Bowl, Chris number two, sir, um, So you're so shocked that we came back to you. No, I was gonna a snake. Did we want a snaker? Can Chris go second, We'll snake the next time. Chris? Were you gonna say Andy doesn't exactly eat the most healthy I was gonna make an off color reference to the number two. But the pick is better than a
number two, I think. And I'm going with Buffalo over Jacksonville. Wow, and lay in the wood. Yeah, Because here's the thing. If you go back and you look at how many bad teams there are each year, it's typically four. This year it's more than four. The difference between the haves and the have nots has grown, and unfortunately, I have weeded out all double digits from my play, uh, you know, from even considering for my plays, and this year I'm
throwing them back in because it's like college football. It's getting to be like college football. You can lay the ten, you can lay the four team, and I these teams are not remotely close at all. And this is the game before I think Jacksonville goes on a buy. Uh. They they didn't prepare, they came Oh no, I'm sorry, they came off the buy and and did that in Seattle, who are you kidding me? And and these teams are
not in the same hemisphere. And an urban Meyer down twenty four gets the touchdown and kicks the extra point, saying I know you're not gonna win, but can you at least act like you're and then they kicked the onside kick afterwards, like you got to do one or the other. You can't like try and then not or not try and then try. Um chasm between the the ever widening chasm between the halves and the have nots, copyright and numbers game visa the sports betting nowhere. Um, Mikey,
you're number two. No, Jeff your number two. First, I'm sorry. I I can see to Mike. I'm going to see where he goes in and I'll pay Mikey number two as long as before. It's interesting that Jeff mentioned um and he reads other Son and the d u Y and the girl. I think this is much worse situation for the Raiders having to deal with the Rugs killing somebody then what Gruden sent in an email about the
rubber lips or fag or whatever. I mean, you're dealing with the teammate who has thrown his life away and a girl and her dog, a twenty three year old girl horrible and her dog burn alive. He's got people that don't live in Vegas don't understand how you can go a hundred and sixty rain. But it's I mean, it's impossible. It's a residential area where there's a light,
you know, every hundred and fifty yards. Uh, and so I think this is And you heard in David Carr's comments how much more difficult dealing with this is than dealing with Gruden. And Tom can tell you what a tough time they had dealing with Gruden in that game with the Bears. Now, and that was a home game. They have to fly across the country and play the New York Giants. Give me the Giants and three points here.
You know. We had Bryant McFadden, the former NFL or two times Super Bowl champ, on Primetime Action tonight and he said the same. He's like, because we just want to get a player's perspective on it. He's like, Oh, the John Gruden thing is sort of like a rallying thing for players. This you're just catatonic, my word. Not you guys have giants plus three? Or do you haven't plus two and a half because I have mostly plus two and a half almost everywhere I see two and
a half. Just still wanted to two and a half. Mikey Plush streaking it. It's three even, it's three four, two and a half Todd your call? What are you given him? I mean, I see you make the call because it's two and a half almost everywhere I see, but you make the call. I don't care. Um, what are you singing? Most of it's split based off out here. Out here, it's a lot of three against the three. You know the thing, and we won't be labored. But you know, it happened in on an intersection that most
of us have driven on many, many times. And the notion that I just want to say this, the notion that he was going a hundred and fifty six miles per hour. First of all, did you know that a car could even go that like a normal car clocked out? He was probably blacked out, drunk and just put his foot all the way to the bottom. Now. No, I tweeted out a video because I did the route this morning, and I tweeted out a video that started before Tropicana
on Rainbow heading, oh you did you? And I was shocked because one would have thought that he would have passed a light and then gunned it. Let's just say he goes through the intersection and let's just say seventy right and then guns it right. No, because the point of contact, and if you look at the video, is
one second of travel time past Tropicana. So he had to have gone through the intersection at that one, because why couldn't you have just put his foot all the way down like way before, because the air bags went off at one, so he slowed down and you can see it, and all the red marks and all the green marks of where the point of collision is is so close to the intersection based on that speed, it's really alarming. It was horrible, absolutely horrible, like just the
worst thing. And imagine, just imagine her final moments. So Mike, he's going with the with the giants and a play against the raiders who are dealing with that. And when we say dealing with it, let me just be clear, we realize the worst part of this is the death of that young lady and her you know, innocent as could be, could be anybody sitting at that intersection at three thirty nine in the morning. Uh, Todd, your play, Jeff, Jeff goes before man. I like too many favorites this week.
That's all I'm gonna say, go go going through this. I'm gonna lay to three and a half on the road with New England at Carolina. Uh, Belichick has that defense looking like a New England defense again. Uh. It's one thing to go and do that against Zack Wilson and Mike White coming off the bench cold. It's another thing to go on the road and make Justin Herbert look terrible. And the Patriots defense made Justin Herbert look terrible. Now.
I don't know who's playing quarterback yet for Carolina, but I've frankly don't care because if it's Donald, we've seen Donald. Donald legitimately saw ghosts against Belichick and and p J. Walker. As much as I would love to see p J Walker succeed, he has no chance against that defense. And we don't know McCaffrey. I know may or may not be there, but he's not going to be a hundred
percent even if he can play in this game. And even though it's on the road with a rookie in a team that you don't see very often, Belichick has that team in the right direction and that defense more importantly looks like a New England defense again. L A three and a half on the road with the Pads at Carolina, I am jumping in because that too is my number two pick. I am taking New England as well at Carolina for much of the reasoning that, uh
that Jeff came up with. McCaffrey looks like he will play in this game, but Bill Belichick will absolutely make sure that's not the guy that beats him. And if it's d J. Moore, uh, that that leaves uh, you know, to run a muck. I don't have any confidence that either p J. Walker or Sam Donald can get that done against Belichick. So it's New England laying the points. What's the number on it for US three and a half? I'm gonna jinx us all because I'm going to add
to that. Okay, New England was going to be my third. They've gained six points of value against the average team over the last five weeks on my chart, and Caroline has lost six points over the last few weeks. And we all know they're an entirely different team without McCaffrey. But uh, you know, going into this season, you knew the Patriots were supposed to come in and have that strong offensive line that would get the job done, and they're they're doing it. Finally. They didn't do it early.
They played Miami in that first game, and Miami was not the Miami we know them to be. Now. They had the aura, they had the confidence they did they had the players that started and got hurt afterwards. So you know, just because they played Miami, you can't make fun that loss. Uh or So, I think that they're by far the top trending team in the NFL right now. I think they're dangerous, and I think potentially if they Buffalo, you know, fell asleep, they'd catch Buffalo. It's we have
to invoke the megapod rule. When three people are on the same plate, it has absolutely no chance of wading out. But that I know we are. That's score New England. Caroline. That's right, did you guarantee happen? All right? Todd, you're number two? Wait, so is that your official third pick? That's that's Chris to No, no, no, I'm still coming. There's still a couple more. My number two pick is going to be I'm gonna talk to you about bad
organizations and good organizations. There are good organizations like Circus Sports. There are bad organizations like h I don't know one of those, don't Oh, I wasn't even thinking of the one you're thinking I'm not not what I was thinking. I was thinking what you were thinking. It was no, No, I know what you were thinking. I was thinking, but I wasn't thinking that. But anyways, there are bad organizations as well, and we have the same thing in the
National Football League. We have bad organizations like the Washington football team that we we we know our good friend Gilly Ice loves that organization. And you have good organizations and good organizations of the Pittsburgh Ensers. The Pittsburgh Ensers get wi is even though they have no business getting wi is because they're a strong organization. Now, I also would like to take all youens to task for saying that Ben Roethlisberger Big Ben was a bottom three quarterback
in the LEIG. Okay, anyways, the point is it's not his fault. Our offensive nying is struggling. But because we're a strong organization, we have a good defense, we have a coach that knows how to get wi is in them in the John Fox way of not making mistakes and just letting the other team lose the game. We are somehow, some way, our insers are hanging around, and I'm gonna take the Insers this week, minus the six and a half against a horrible football team called at
Chicago Bears. That Justin Fields guy is not ready for prime time, folks. He is not ready now. Granted they scored twenty two points against the Niners, you know, have a have a hallelujah thank thank God. They're not gonna score many points against the Pittsburgh Steelers defense, our insure defense, and I will be in the crowd tomorrow on Monday Night football. Our Inser card will be at there, and our defense will shut that team down about ten points.
We win this one. Picksburgh Steeler. Great organization. The imitation is way better than the Dolphins song. By the way, well done. I would saying there, I want to I do want to say one thing. When YenS get down to Heinsfield, it is kind of costly to to park. They don't try to park at the Rivers there. That's a bad organization, circus for it is a good organization. From what I've heard, the Rivers is the worst run casino in America. And I was told to me by
a guy who used to work there. Thank you, um let me let me it's just ridiculous. So we were we were doing power rankings, tonight on on Primetime Action. Jeff and I do it on Numbers game on Thursday. But we were we sort of reversed and we're like, all right, give me thirty two, thirty one, thirty and twenty nine. And we came up with thirty two was still the Texans um and then we had you know, thirty one and thirty the Jaguars and the Lions. But
coming up with the twenty nine ranked team. And I know Chris just said he had the Dolphins in his in his bottom couple of bottom a few, but coming up with the fourth for us was really a difficult exercise. And the Dolphins were one of the candidates. The Bears were one of the candidates too. That's what trigger Barry. You have you have Dolphins thirty one, I have Dolphins thirty two, Houston thirty one, Chicago thirty, Jets twenty nine,
Jacksonville when he ate the Bears. You have Jacksonville ahead of the Bears. Yeah, yeah, wow, alright Number three from Jeffrey. On one last point, I have slowly but surely, even though his Pittsburgh team is not good whatsoever, I am slowly but surely resigning the fact that not only are they going to make the playoffs, they're going to have a chance to win the a f C North as ridiculous, have a great organization, and that again that that defense
is still really good there. And and look, I know we like to rag on Mike Tomlin for in game coaching, but it doesn't matter who his quarterback is, what that team is. Hell, that team was a win away from the playoffs with Duck Hodges two years ago. Yeah. But I just want to say this though, Todd, because I brought this up with Lobarti this morning, that Chris Boswell fake field goal. The fact that they don't have a punter who can kick an extra point is like the
most ridiculous thing ever. That dude can't it an extra point. But yeah, we still won the football game. It's hard to make those kicks. If you tried to make one, it's me we're talking. I played soccer for ten years, and the first time I ever attempted a field goal, I was so humiliated. I can't believe how much harder it is to kick a field You're comparing a middle aged june to a professional punter. I'm saying he can't kick an extra point. It's different. It's absolutely different the
thirty two yard or gil It's not a chip shot anymore. Bro, he's a punter. Really, he doesn't translate to an extra point, does not? Okay, let me ask you this, uh Stefanski down five points with with all three time out? Why did he kick a f Why did he not kick that field goal? Why did he not kick? Defense? So stupid? So stupid he can kick a thirty two yarder, man, Come on, I don't think. I don't think. Apparently you can't agree with really surprised me three time outs they
were stopping Pittsburgh tons on defense. I was like, kicked the damn field goal, you'd be down fifteen thirteen and then you'll get the ball back and then chance to win sixteen fifteen. That was shocking. That's defansky blue that this is the biggest thing of the NFL, like betting this pre flop a t s. It's like, you have to fight through the refs. Noticed that you know, obviously the Jets helmet to helmet on on Mike Hilton of the Bengals, the biggest call of the week in the NFL.
So you have to fight through the refs. You have to fight through the decisions of the players. You have to fight through the coaches. So we've already talked about the fact that Urban Meyer did that weird thing. They weren't gonna win anyway, but like, oh, kick an extra point, then on site kicks Defanski not kicking that field goal.
Vic Fangio that last sequence against Washington where they fumbled and recovered it through an incomplete pass to stop the clock, and then at that point you're just like, just nail on the ball they fumbled. It was like it was like, oh my god, Washington can win this game. Of course Washington is not good enough to take over. And then of course there's like the Jets players. You know that this gets lost in that whole thing because the call was so bad against Mike Hilton of the Bengals that
the Jets like they Elijah more was Elijah Moore. Elijah Moore ran out of bat four, He ran out of bounds, like you stop the clock. And then Michael Carter yeah, and then yeah, with two minutes left, the BEng will still have all three of their time outs. Michael Carter slides before the sticks. You're like, you could have won the game. Why did you slide, and then the fourth and goal Mike Mike White sneaks and it looks like he's short, and the refs are like, first, we'll just bother.
It seems like a wasted that's the zig zag refs with their zigzag spots. You know that this is we're betting on this stuff, all right, Jeff number three, I'll continue my favorites and uh, we'll go with the outforementioned Bengals laying two and a half at home against Cleveland. Cleveland season has been nuked by injuries. There is no
argument with that. If they were healthy, I really do think they would be winning the a f C North, maybe even in the running for the one seed in the a f C with a upo breaks here and there. But this season has just been totally destroyed by injuries. And I know with if Odell beck Ode Beckham looks like he's not gonna play, it looks like the the Browns are gonna say Odell just go home. We're gonna figure out what to do with it. Said he's not He's he's gone go home. Does that work in Cleveland's
advantage or does it work completely against them? And the fact that their down pass catchers again, Anthony Schwartz got hurt at the end of the game. They are getting a little healthier at the running back position with Job coming back last week. But for Cincinnati, that loss was just so bad last week where you you score thirty one points on the road against a team that has no offense going into that week, you give up four hundred and five yards passing to a guy who would
get confused with anyone on the street. And Mike White, even though he played great and he had an eleven point lead with five minutes to go against one of the worst teams in the league, and you blow it. Good bounce back spot in division game, a rivalry game as well, and again clear of one. Just so banged up. That's the main reason for Cincinnati for me laying the two and a half. I almost feel like not having Odell Beckham Jr. Unburdened Baker May and that could absolutely happen.
We'll see um. And with all Browns games, you gotta check the injury report because they are a mass unit. You have no idea who's going to be in the lineup and who isn't Mike number three, Sir Todd, What is the line on Arizona and San Francisco. I have two and a half and forty six for Arizona favorite Mike. He's thinking, Mike, He's thinking, yeah, real spinning. Yeah, I'm gonna play this game over and a half. Yeah, the first game wasn't under um and I think there's several facts, Mike.
I'm gonna give you, Mikey, I'm gonna give you forty six. All right, Okay, thank you know. Coming back I think is huge for Garoppolo in that offense. Uh, it relieves pressure off of the running game, gets them to move the ball, move the chains on third downs. I also think Arizona has something to prove off their first loss of the year against Green Bay, and they do have the extra rest because they got the short rest last
week playing on a Thursday. Normally I would stay away from this spot, but I just think both of these things conspire to make this game a much higher scoring game than the first affair in Glendale. Over because I have that same pick except the opposite. Oh say why okay, go ahead, and here's will be under forty six and a half. It is available. Yeah, I just gave you the overt I'm gonna take the under God by the way, by the way, God after after your boy Tomlin rolled
his kicker out on that horrific fake field goal. Why are they faking the field goal in a low scoring game like dead anyhow, knowing he has no one to kick an extra point and getting poor Boswell killed? USC calls. Did you hear me say he called and said okay with us? Did you hear me say I love Tomlin as a coach? No, you heard me talk about organizations we have We have an organization. We don't have a head coach. We have an organization. Mike, can't you tell
like he cannot help himself, he cannot shut up. Whatever he has to say is more important than anything you have to say. Actually, there's no malice involved in Todd's part. There's no balance, Gilly. Gilly knows that better than anybody. As you sat here next to me for Wednesdays on Armed trust me Arizona San Francisco under forty six. The first game was seventeen ten. As Mikey said, I've been very impressed with the Arizona football team's defense. I know
everybody loves the quarterback and he is fantastic. I love watching the jeerbug run around and do all kind of crazy stuff on offense. He's fantastic. I love the guy. But that defense is really good. You know, who ever thought Arizona Cardinals would have a great defense. It's a very very solid defense. And it's not like the Niners actually lighted up on offense. I mean, they did score thirty three last week. I'll give it to them. That was you know, Bears are not bad on defense. I'll
give him credit for that. But you know what, Jimmy Garoppolo doesn't scare me anymore. I mean, he had eighteen in the muck against Indianapolis. They only scored ten against Arizona last time. They scored twenty one against Seattle, seventeen against Philadelphia. I mean, come on, this is not a
great offensive team. So if the Niners can keep the game low and try to slow the game down, I think we can stay under the forty six and I can pick up a game on Michael Paul most of those are though most of those Lance was the quarterback in Arizona too. When you talk about ten points, remember the wing the wing T offense won't be there on Sunday, alright, Yes, the the famous trade lands. We see alright, young Gil with the rare total? What is the what is how
low is the Raiders Giants total? Forty The Giants and the Raiders are at forty six and a half. Like I said, forty six and a half. Give me the under I think everything that Mikey talked about earlier about how this is going to be a very I have a feeling the feeling around this football game is going to be very odd. As we lose Todd's beautiful face from our screen, Um, I'm going under here, I think, yeah,
we can still hear you. I think the Las Vegas Raiders offense is going to need some time to adjust here. And you know, I used to Kirt we we talked about Kirk Cousins when he played with Washington back in the day. It was very difficult when Kirk Cousins was having success in DC to know if it was Shawn Jackson's speed opening up the field so that Kirk Cousins can hit Jordan Read all day every day underneath. I don't know what what happens to the Raiders without the
deep threat of Henry Ruggs. Um. And again we're talking about this from a betting perspective. UM, I just think that that offense is going to take at least a week to adjust to it. And I think that the Giants offense isn't you know. Look, they're not going to light up any scoreboard. Ever, We'll have to see what the injury report is on them as well. I like the under give me the under forty six and a half Raiders Giants. Actually I like that. I'm surprised I
missed that one, Gilly. I like that one to the Giants are an under team. Yeah, so those are the three al right, So those are the three best bets. Let's do our teaser of the week. I love my teaser, and of course I'm the man to beat in the teaser competition. We all know that todded right now, but go ahead by half a game? Uh, Christie, your your favorite two legs six points teaser of the week. Oh
it's only six points. Uh, that would disqualify the Cowboys. UM. I would go for the Rams, which is a no brainer, no brainer. Yeah, the books are going to need to fade that one, and I would have to go with the San Francisco exactly my teaser, and that looks pretty solid, even though I'm not sure they win the game. And then I'm starting a new thing, which is the wrong wong, the wrong long. The wrong wong is I think Philadelphia could really lay a turd sandwich. I think the Chargers
could show up, and my metrics don't say it. It's the strangest line of the week. What the Chargers egos line? Why is it that low? It's dead on my numbers? Is as sad as I really hate you know, you had the Chargers number one in your power rankings, and Chris, why bring up the past? Yeah, you have a love for the Chargers. That is irrational. They were never in the top ten, not one single week. Never once did they have them ninth? Now currently that's the correct answer. Ninth, ninth.
They're closer to ninth from the bottom than they are ninth to the top. Stop it are Now you've gone crazy. Now you've gone a little. They are closer to ninth from the bottom. You're ridiculous. I'm not you are, I said closer to I understand. So you're saying there's six All three of us did our power rankings, that all three of us have the Chargers at the bottom of the top ten. It wasn't just me. They're nowhere near the bottom of the top ten, nowhere near. Don't you
do your Football Outsiders interview tomorrow? I ask him, No, I don't do that tomorrow next week. Trust me. They're nowhere, but they're not. I don't think they're No, they're not sniffing the Todd finish. What did you say, Todd? I said, I don't think they're sixtee. They're they're probably like twelve. I would keep you, thank you. No, no, no, no, no, no, but yeah, I think the Chargers could come to show up. So hey, listen, I'm rooting for him. I think they
can be explosive. I have your I have your exact same teaser rams to the Niners too long legs. Anybody else have that same one? Or no? No, okay, Parlay just gonna tease two favorites down here. We'll take Baltimore down to a pick against Minnesota. I nearly laid the six with Baltimore is one of these picks here, but uh, I decided to let Mikey have have the stage to himself on that game. From that sense, and uh, I'm gonna I'm gonna put Pittsburgh down to laying a half
against Chicago. That was also a consideration, and then as soon as Todd delaid the six and a half with Pittsburgh, I had to cross it off. All right, Mike, I'd like to interrupt, just for a moment before you place that check to see if a parley would be cheaper, because they're both around to fit. It could be cheaper. Yeah, a hundre percent, Mike, Yeah, I'm gone. You want me to go first, Mikey, you always want me to go. That's ahead. Wait, but I interrupted you? Should I not
have interrupted you? Mikey, God, you have the floor. Thank you, thank you. I did interrupt him, but now it works in his favor, so all of a sudden he loves Okay, here's the deal. I'm going with the Rams minus to two. Obviously, you gotta do that. Hopefully Tannehill can't throw his way to victory. And I'm gonna do something a little crazy here because I did agree with a lot of what Gilly said. I'm gonna take the Chiefs minus one and half.
And here's why. I watched Jordan's love at Utah State, and I remember when he's a first round pick and all the foo balls we're talking about. Jordan's love is gonna be so great. I watched me that he wasn't that great and Utah State, okay, folks, So I don't know what all the you know, the love for Jordan's love is. In fact, I like the kid who was quarter back love at San Jose State was better than Jordan's loved. So you know, I don't think he's going
to be any good. And I think the Packers are mostly a team that Aaron Rodgers is good and that's why they're good. I don't really think they're that great. Aaron Rodgers is so great that he like makes the whole team great. So to me, I think even the Chiefs, with all their ridiculousness, and granted they are ridiculous, there's no doubt they're ridiculous, they can find a way against Jordan's Love to win the game by one and a half. Can I ask you a question about about Aaron Rodgers
for a second. First of all, we found out today he was unvaccinated. He had said in August that he was immunized. Right he used He was very clever about the word he used, and no one really pride we just kind of assumed, and so we get the feeling now that maybe he had COVID and was just saying, hey, I got antibodies when he said I meanies. Anyway, he was unvaccinated, and so that's why he could possibly miss more than one game. He could miss a second one.
And then there's also this possibility that he has broken the rules of not wearing mask right for being unvaccinated, because he was acting like he was a vaccinated player. There's a scenario where he could miss more than two games. And I'm curious what you guys think about that if that if that's realistic, or because he's Aaron Rodgers, they're gonna bend over backwards not to do this too. I'm not sure, but I would bending over backwards is probably
going to happen. Maybe the team knew his status at all times, so he's got a pass. They knew his status, and if rules were broken, that's on the team. Probably true. Also, yeah, I read a story that he took a nontraditional Yes right is not a vaccine, but some sort of non traditional treatment that isn't recognized. That's why he said he was immunized. Alternative virus Kids, alternative New Age. Alright, Mike, your last teaser here, Rams Ravens, Rams Ravens. I like
the brevity of Mikey Rams Ravens. No explanation necessary, all right? Uh? And then Survivor? Are you in Survivor circle anymore? I mean last man standing? You're in last man standing. You're down to the Chris who knocked you out. You know what, this is the dumbest thing I've ever done in my Pittsburgh did in week two and I started the season with Houston. I took a three and a half point underdog week one, and so I was called entries. Did
you start with just one? Just one? And you know what, I'm glad that I'm out because it was a headache. It was already a headache by week two. But I already picked the Chicago Bears week two against Cincinnati, which would have which would have been a great pick also, And for whatever reason, I changed it to Pittsburgh at the last minute against the Raiders, which lost, and I
deserved the big kick in the butt. I didn't follow my own advice that I preached everybody else, and I just played a win and I sat there and I took a safer team, and it was really dumb. I said that too a couple of times last year. I'm like Chris, it's easy to say when you're not in survivor what's playable, you're in it. But I learned from that because the Last Man Stand, I had Indianapolis available to me at plus two and a half or one and a half and Last man Standing, and I thought
about using them this week and and Last man Standing. No, no, no, no, no no, I'm sticking with the team I want to go, which I forget. Who was so so Last man Standing? For those who don't know, Chris won the college football version of Last man Standing against Stations in sixteen. Was that I believe, I don't remember. But this is the third year in a row I finished in the Final Twitter, I'm in the Final twenty. This is the pro football
version Final twenty. And the four matches against the spread though, right, yeah, one game a week against the spread, one game a week against the spread. My friend Antoine from South Point, who used to sit with me at South Points in it. Also. He's he's right down at the end. He's constantly calling me and asking me if he should head you or not because he's he's down to the end. To let
me this is important. If I had I had four of the remaining twenty last year, and I hedged a fair amount, if I had not dropped out and got knocked out with all four in the same I would have been buried in hedges because I miscalculated. You cannot over hedge on that, because you're not guaranteed to lose half of people there were. There was a week that nobody dropped out, and there was another week only one
person dropped out. That contest lasted I think another five or six weeks afterward, and it just kept going and going and going, and I would have been screwed with my hedge commitments. So I the fact that I dropped out was a blessing. I remember you talking about it. No, no one is a smarter header than you are in these contests. I mucked it up last year, alright. So and by the way, Chris, what you're saying is that you're expecting half the people to drop every week because
they're going against the spread. So it's supposed to work out that way. But it didn't work out that way because everyone got hot exactly right, exactly, so we have four teen games in the NFL. This is so Joe Peter was on a Numbers game earlier this week, uh talking about profit Exchange, the new thing that he's into,
but he's in Survivor. He had three entries. We sweated out the Kansas City game together here in the studio on Monday night, and he made a great point when we were trying to figure out how many people would be left at the end of Survivor. We had this
conversation about four weeks ago. He had guest over two hundred A buddy of his guest one ten I had guess and his thinking was that this past week was the last week where Survivor at Circle or Survivor anywhere was going to have a large percentage of people over entries on one team. And that's in fact what happened. And Cincinnati loses to the Jets, which took out a
bunch of people. As we talked about earlier, If that doesn't happen, he might end up being right with the higher side of of entries remaining at the end Instead. Now we entered this sort of splintered phase of the proceedings this week nine. You can make a case for Miami. If if Davis Mills plays for Houston, you can make a case for Dallas. If Dac plays for Dallas, New Orleans, you can make a case for them. Buffalo is the biggest favorite on the board. Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and now with
the Aaron Rodgers thing, Kansas City. Count that up. That and by the way, Indianapolis Thursday night, I forgot about them. That's eight of fourteen games. Eight of fourteen games, and that doesn't even include some of the smaller spreads like the Chargers that we were talking about earlier. That some people might decide and forget about the spreads. I think the charges are the best bet on the world. So you have potentially like nine possibilities this week. It's gonna
be completely splintered. And I'm just gonna be honest right here. We're doing this one night earlier. I'm not sure if I would have known tomorrow morning it either I have no idea who I'm playing this week, genuinely, and up until this point I've known every week exactly who I'm playing. I don't know no clue, Mike, You're not in it. Anybody like to bet against me that there's going to be less than people. Oh no, I think there will absolutely. I think it's going to be a little bit less
than a hundred time. Yeah, what what would you guys put the over under it? I said, Si, I'd even go lower now I think yeah, I think Gail's number was it was about right until that upset. Now I think it might be down closer to the sixties. Thanks taking the card and it. Yeah, I think und seventy. I say under seventy. Thanksgiving and Christmas. I mean that Christmas late is just so brutal. The Sunday after Thanksgiving is the worst of all of them. There's nobody to
pick that week. So what would you make the price that nobody goes twenty and know? Um, it's a dog, somebody will it's I'd say it's about a plus two. It's a pretty significant dog. Somebody's going to the whole way. Somebody's getting there. Um, I'm not sure what you guys aren't in it, But like, who if you had access to every team, knowing the Christmas and Thanksgiving rules at circa, who would you play? And let's say you didn't have the Colts Thursday. Let's make it a little more interesting.
Most people don't against Houston. Who would you say, Todd Steelers. Todd was asking for the choices again, choices, because so the choices would be you want so, no, the choices would be given. Let's let's rule out Buffalo and Dallas. I'm not saying that no one will take them, but let's just rule them out for the purposes of this conversation because they are Thanksgiving considerations. So it's between Miami New Orleans. Let's say you've used Indianapolis, Miami, New Orleans, Baltimore,
Pittsburgh in Kansas City. I'll take New Orleans. New Orleans is also Thanksgiving right there, opposite Buffalo. That's right. I hadn't thought about that. They're playing Buffalo. Yeah at New Orleans, right well, the Rams host the Titans. You're certainly welcome to play them. You could, but so many people have used the Rams already. I haven't used the Rams are probably you haven't used them. You can use them week one. You didn't use them against Detroit. Nope, I still have them.
So many people used them already When in doubt, I would take the Ravens this week. Yeah, Steelers, Steelers, Steelers, Yeah, and it works well, let me just tell you, guys, I'll be screaming, but you can't hear me in that stadium. There's fifty five thousand other people screaming with me. It's not like the college basketball games. The notion of living through a Steeler survivor play on Monday night terrifies me. It sounds like I just remember that Washington Pittsburgh game
last exactly. Alright, final two questions? Then, can I interrupt? Please? Absolutely? Does his mother cut the camera off at midnight? Yeah? What happened this works is my mommy has rules of how late stay. I got a special approbation this week for my mommy to go longer, but not with the camera. Sorry, Mikey, she doesn't want you on their chatting up any shicks abroads after midnight. No shicks a broads a joke for a certain portion of the audience. Alright, final two questions
of the big favorites. Who is the most likely to lose? Out right? Here are your choices. Indianapolis ten and a half point favorites against the Jets on Thursday night, Buffalo fourteen and a half on the road against Jacksonville. We're using all the six and a half. We'll use all the sixes and above. New Orleans six point favorites at home against Atlanta, Baltimore six point favorites at home against Minnesota, Dallas nine and a half at home against Denver Man.
There's a lot of these, Oh Miami's in this oh No. Six and a half point favorites at home against Houston, Kansas City seven and a half point favorites at home against Green Bay, the Ram seven and a half point favorites at home against Tennessee and Pittsburgh six and a half at home against Chicago. Who's the most likely to lose outright? Chris Houston nudges out green Bay by knows for me, so Miami and Kansas City. Miami nudges out Kansas City. By Kansas City, He's absolutely the most likely.
It's Kansas City, that's my answer. I think it's I think it's Houston in Miami. I'm with Chris on that. Mikey, I'm gonna say, Dallas, Oh wow. Did this team throughout the last thirty years cannot handle prosperity. Somewhere along the line, they're gonna lay an egg this year. And I'm still not convinced that Fangio Fangio going on the road, gonna out coach McCarthy in the battle with because the two gloves, two gloves will not turn the ball over hill just
check down, checked down, checked out. He won't be one of thirteen on third down? Wow, doabas? I did not expect that. And then the final question. We live in a bizarro world and we bet every single one of these games on the side, but we get to pass on one of them. So you must make a bet on thirteen of these fourteen games, but one of them where the line is so ridiculous to you you would never consider betting it. Chris, what's the game you'd want no part of? I think it's the Thursday night game
I want. Yeah, it's Thursday Jets in Indianapolis. Him, don't want anything part of them, Jeffrey. I don't want anything to do with the Texans of the Dolphins and the Dolphins. Mikey Chiefs Packers because I think this this love kid is just terrible. Back to pack He is really bad. I watched a lot of Utah State with him. He's horrible, Mikey. How did he get picked first? How? I watched every terrible God? So, what's funnier to hear Todd with no visual It was. Actually it's like I watched a lot
of Jordan's love. I don't think he's good. Uh, the question, what's the last question? Oh? My god, have you been here before? What? What gave you? Want? No part of Oh? I don't want any part of the Cincinnati against the Cleveland Bryanies because I don't you know, is Baker Mayfield injured or what is the what is going on there? I don't understand the whole Cleveland Brown situation, So I
don't want any part of that. You know, on the side, you could pick a few, but I'm gonna go Las Vegas and the Giants on the side, I have no idea what we're getting, no idea Giants should have won that game Monday, Vegas, everything swirling. I'll take that one. Thank you all appreciate it. I know it's after midnight. There, go to bed, Mike, you got a big day tomorrow. It's a big day tomorrow for you. Congratulations. Thank you for all the gamblers out there for trying to help
the large corporations in America. The casino corporations continue to do a great job for America. Thank you. You know, one of the things we're trying to do is get this stupid taxable threshold on jackpots for slots removed. That's that's to help the common person. Does that is good thing? So can you can you explain that? Can you explain that? Mikey?
What is that? You know? That threshold set on taxable jack potts and slots was set in nineteen seventy seven and twelve hundred dollars and hasn't been adjusted in real dollars today. It's closer to seven thousand. We're trying to get it moved to five thousand. We're fighting it on two fronts to try to get it done through Treasury, but they're kind of punches piloting us and saying, you know, it's not us, it's got to be a law. We can't do anything about it unless Congress acts. So lobbying
the legislative process as well. How does that affect the little man? Because we don't have todd Let me let me let her explain, please, Well, but's right, if you win a jack pot of twelve dollars, you're paying taxes on it. I mean, that's not even a significant amount of money anymore. In today's America because of the inflation, that jack pot threshold they have to rise as the dollar,
you know, as inflation rises, So it's not fair. It's punitive on slot players compared to other other people that play. I mean, it's five thousand if you win to Jack Pott in table games, you know, it's six hundred to one, and thresholds and sports you're right, three one and a minimum of six hundred dollars if it's a sports or raise tickets. So um. You know, it just doesn't coincide
and it shouldn't be fair. And then from the operator standpoint, it's so labor intensive because of the large number of jackpots at d especially with the video poker. I've walked out an evening with twenty five of those. Seriously, I mean absolutely, I have hundreds of them. From Mikey doing God's work. Appreciate it. Man, safe travels back to Iowa as well. Thank you, Paul. You didn't even trademark that's my line. Gilly. Oh, I'm sorry, Todd Wishnev's staying doing
God's work. My my bad. Apologies, you can't use my joke, Gilly, Oh my god, you don't like it. When people use your lines on visent well, because I have fifty thousand of them and they all use them like they came up with it. That's why two photos look alike. Oh yeah, that's the best line of the night, the skype for the Skypeo icon versus Mike Falm with his arms folded. That's right, uh, for Mike Palm and d C for Todd wish them and Pittsburgh, Las Vegas, Chris, thank you, Chris,
appreciated man as always. Glad we could do it this year. Probably fraud no open bar, No open bar, never gave him. I completely hoodwinked him. And Jeff Parlay producer number five and eight to grow with Cleveland Producers. And also, by the way, the host of bet Center at Visa where he pronounces his name Pearls and again we don't really know why. We don't know why. Thank you, Jeff, Jeff Perlston. They change it at Ellis Island to Parlay. They're like Parlay.
Thank you, guys. Good luck to all of you, thanks for listening. Good luck Week nine of that National Football League. Yeah s,