Check it down, Man Down Thursday morning, December one, and is the Beating the Book podcast megabot live from the d week seventeen of the National Football League season Gill Alexander, of course, flanked by the staples of the show, Derek Stevens Conciliarium. By the way, thank you for Brian Derek on last week. He's the vice president of Operations and Circuit Sports. He's also the co host of odds on at VS in Michael Palm, how you doing, Mike, good morning.
I hope everyone had a great holiday season and looking forward too. Of the listeners, I mean sorry sorry of course expressed our condolences to you, and I know the fans mean a lot to you and you're you're here right now fulfilling this obligation at the most terrible time. Thank you. I for those who don't know if those who listen to this podcast, who have heard my invitations of my father through the years, both not only Beating the Book podcast, but also on the Betting Dork podcast
before that. My father passed away this past weekend. Um because my mom had COVID, we have delayed the burial till next week. So you you and Todd will kindly step in into the podcast next week. I really appreciated uh doing me that honor. But yes, so that's what Mikey is referring to. For those who may have missed that. Thank you, Sir Todd Wishnev from his mom's cork Addict in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Toddy, thank you for being here. You're you keep turning to the left, which means you have
bets on the South Carolina North Carolina Bowl game. Your bets are what I have over sixty one and a half and I have South Carolina on the money line, um, because I did in game both of them eight to ten. Currently, as we record this and our guest today are rotating guests, first time ever on the Mega Pod. He is not only a Visa staple, but he's the host of the New York City Cast podcast wherever podcasts are available, The New York City Cast it is, and don't get confused
with the actual sports book. His name is Will Hill. How you do it? Will? What's going on? Gil? Thank you for having me? Uh. I know a lot of listeners said I'm gonna be like Ian book today my first appearance on I don't know if that was a compliment or an insult, but I'm gonna take that didn't sound very good. By the way, is the first time I've ever seen you without a coat and tie, So congratulations on that as well. What is the logo? I can't tell. I can't tell what the logo is on
your thing? Oh okay, there you go. I couldn't see this for Lombardi Line. There you go, will through the Lombardi Line program. Yes he's one of the Yes, he's one of the spinoff hosts, they say on Visa. You know, he had a role on the Lombardi Line and now he has his own, his own pop so he he's like the the flow of Alice. For instance, he or maud I compare more to maaud rode up rota, right, that kind of thing. Uh? What else are to to? Seven? Was?
That part was? J K was terrific, terrific in there. Sure, Uh well, happy to have you here, Thank you for doing this. So before we get into our picks, first of all, Circus Survivor Michael, Oh my god, we're down to five and then there were five. There was a moment in time where if maybe Nick Chubb hadn't got ejected from the game with a minute ago, that it could have been a scoop for for him. I mean,
that's what I asked. I assumed Nick Chubb got ejected and that's why after he was gashing the Packers for ten and twelve yards on every kerry and they had three time outs with a minute to go at midfield, that you didn't see him again, but d NP coach's decision. Coach's decision. But you know that's the Fansky decided to dance with the one that didn't bring him and then
they put the ball in Baker's hands. But yeah, the interesting thing I wanted to preface this with Gil was you said it only mattered if you had multiple entries going into this Thursday Saturday Christmas window, and no, but he did. Nobody did. Nobody did. There were sixteen Obviously those eight that still had the Packers were in an advantageous position and they got through luckily after green Bay only scored three points in the second half. Interesting that
Thursday night game. You know, if you didn't have green Bay, it came down to did you want to take San Francisco on the road. The Titans at home are Arizona at home, and I mean the move was all on Arizona with the Colts offensive line trouble, so you know, three go out with the forty niners in the game that looked like they had total control of that one person return of survivors his entry name. He advanced and had a shot at the Packers lost on Saturday to
scooped the whole six million. By the way, he has the Buccaneers left, so he would have continued to play on for two more weeks to try to earn the extra million if he had even won the six at that point. But then three go out on the Cliff Kingsbury Christmas Classic in the desert on Saturday night, leaving us. Then with nine heading into Sunday, and four were eliminated with the Chargers loss to detections, and then there were five five had the Chargers available. Four of the five
took him. One person who had the Chargers decided, I'm gonna take the Eagles. This doesn't feel right that that guy is the happiest man alive. And of the remaining five, so three took the Eagles, two took the Falcons, and the two that took the Falcons one of them was your aforementioned return of survivor, who had the Buccaneers available and decided without their three players, despite being a double digit favorite, he was going to take the Falcons against Detroit.
The other person had the Bengals available, who took the Falcons. He decided to take the Falcons, and of course Tim Boyle's gift at the end at the ten yard line was what sealed that deal. And so I guess the question here with these last five is with two weeks left, what as you said, one has Tampa Bay still left? But he already he already eschewed them, if you will. For the Falcons, He's talked to Jeff Benson, and through conversations with Jeff about different things, were pretty certain he's
saving them for if he didn't use this last week. Yeah, right, I think this week everybody, All five have Seattle if you want to if you want to take them against the Lions, although that could be dicey, but two of them have San Francisco. It's a point home favorite against the Texans. Albeit Jimmy g in the hand and all says he's confident he can go. So yeah, So two of the five have San Francisco available. It should be pointed out that no of the big favorites, nobody has
New England, nobody has Indianapolis, nobody has Buffalo. Uh so to have San Francisco. One has the Tampa but he's already indicated by his actions that he's going to save them. And then it goes down. So so the two people have San Francisco against Houston. What could possibly go wrong? Right? The other three if the guy's not gonna use Tampa Bay have to then knock it down to the six and a half point range, which is the Bears, Seahawks, and Saints of the World. And they're well, what else
are they gonna do? Though, two people have no choice what to take one of them. If it's not Seattle, I think it has to be the Bears. But now is glenn and back for the will would know more than is Glennon gonna start for the Giants Sunday? First, it doesn't matter. Second, Joe Judges not in the middle. He's playing this you know game where you know, but we'll have both guys prepared. Neither one belongs in the NFL. I mean they threw forty four passes for a hundred
yards last week. It's really they don't have an NFL quarterback at this point, and so and so about the question of so each one of these has a little last thing. Each one has an intrinsic value of one point two million dollars at this point. The remaining five six million dollar pot. But three, the one guy with Tampa Bay and the two that have Kansas City available have this ability to to use them in the final week.
This was a stipulation before the season started that if you go the distance and you have either Kansas City or Tampa Bay last year's Super Bowl teams available, you use them in week eighteen, the final week, the twenty week, if you will of circus survivor, you get a bonus million. Now, let me just ask you a question. If all five got through, there is no bonus. There is there is
for those people. Let's say five got through in three in the two US Kansas City one and they all want yes, right, so those five each get one point two million, and then the other three would get three thousand. They'd split that extra million. Okay, I just wanted to clarify that, which is a nice spot to be. Let's say you have Tampa Bay and they're what are sixteen and a half point look ahead against Caroline. Caroline is gonna be plus eight fifty year better on the money line,
you're now playing for one point five three million. That's a pretty straight edge, right, I mean edge, perfect edge. But I'll tell you how many people do you think get through in the end, because this is a tough week about how about how about next week? You don't know who, you really don't know who needs to play for what right? And Kansas City might be dicey to use. We saw what they did against the Chargers last year when they have home field. You don't know about COVID.
You don't know anything. You don't know, you don't know anything. Now, one player parlay g that Derek thought was in the best spot because of the teams he had left used the Chargers last week, and he'd been coming. He's from l A. He's uh Sauti J advisor for a biotech company there. He's been flying in the last three weeks. On Sunday morning with his wife, he was down about
forty thousand, hedging so far right, losing keep going. He took thirty thousand Texans plus four ninety thirty thousand Texas plus twelve and a half right, so he picked up one eighty. Essentially he'd lost forty. So he ends up profiting a hundred and thirty seven thirty eight thousand on getting a survivor right. So I mean, not bad, although very Just like you said, it's really wasn't about the money.
It was about the process that he was. He came in when they got down to Scortons in the fourth quarter, he was here. He shook Derek's hand in my hand, said thanks for what a wonderful time, and we'll see you next year. This one I said. When I got knocked out, I'm like, it's not it's not even the money you lose. It's not even the money you hope to gain, although that's number two. It's it's the the entertainment of it. It's the mental gymnastics. It's such a
great contest Las Vegas. Chris and I had a conversation on air about it. I said to him, I said, I think the contest is perfect. I do. I think it's perfect. In the end. I think Thanksgiving and Christmas corks were great. Uh, Todd, I agree with you. I agree with you. I like I like all the quirks. Yeah. Um Our records updated Sir Court stenographer Todd Wishnet. The Iceman had a big week three and oh to move
to squarely ahead at twenty four and twenty four. He was the man to beat Mikey moves to and one with a nice two and one. I had a horrendous oh and three to go to nineteen and twenty nine. What's funny is in my circule millions, I went four and one last week to go to forty five and thirty five, and I'm still not even getting I'm like tied for eight hundred place. I'm going nowhere in the circle millions, even if I know end up like it's fifty eight percent or something and west or forty seven
and thirty three. We were talking about the same thing this morning. I I've got no show. I know two people. I know one tied for sixteen and I know one tied for twenty seconds. So interesting. Nice. It's also interesting at first the Hannibal Barcas first and then a game back is his other entry. He hasn't been splitting the picks at all, right, Yeah, but also the guy tied with him in second is also like tied for fifth. Right, he has two injuries derbified could be wildly amazing. What
happens his last few weeks amazing on teasers. We now move everyone one their teasers. So Gil and Mike your eight, seven and one and I am ten and six on the teaser side. So somehow we have to have Todd lose three here. I don't think it's happening. He's very capable. Everyone's capable. We're all capable. He's too good, he's too sharp. All right, let us uh, let us there's no Thursday game tonight, by the way, let's racially start with Thursday. By the way, why the NFL not figure on this?
So the NFL only has Thursday games through week six, so there's no Thursday game tonight. You'll be entertained by the Las Vegas bull instead. Uh. And I was talking about this on the morning on the morning show on the Numbers game this morning when Will was on. Actually Will do a double duty, which is next week. So so this week is the final Monday night game between the Browns and the Steelers. By the way, Big Ben says it might be his last game in hines Field.
Will get I will be going to that game. So if you're listening to this podcast and you know how much I can affect the game by being at the game and how loud I could be, especially with fifty thousand other crazies, you should be aware of that. And uh so that's the last Monday night regular season game of the year. Now Week A teen the final regular
season game. Next week they are going to once Week seventeen game games get finished, they're going to flex two games to Saturday, and the rest of the games will be played Sunday. There is no Monday night game next week. But when we were talking about this morning was by doing that there could be some correlated parlay opportunities based on playoff implications of the results of those Saturday games whichever to they flex, so be sure to be aware
of that. And then wild Card week. Um, remember last year was the first year they won seven teams for conference. It was three games on Saturday, three games on Sunday. This year is the first year where they're doing it two on Saturday, three on Sunday, and a Monday night er. Do you prefer that? How about the team that comes back on short rest? That so, what we're saying, I remember, remember when the Vikings have set the Saints on the Sunday and then they had to come back and play
the one seed fort on the on the Saturday. I thought they were in such a bad spot there with the short rest and travel and all that. It's a tough to be in that Monday night spot. So the final week Saturday games, I assume are going to be teams that are out of it because they always wanting. Yeah, they'll have to be. So then I have a question for you. They used to do it where like everyone was playing at the same time on the last weekend, so nobody knew before. So I guess that's not gonna
happen if they're they're Saturday. Exactly what I was saying this morning, that it used to be before they did it all at the same time, that you could do these great correlated Parley's books weren't even hip to it right better early game. Based on the result of that, then you you know, might be able to catch a team that won't be you won't have anything to play for in the late game kind of thing. Yeah, and then they legislated against that, but now it's a possibility again.
So Yeah, that's what I was wondering, because I know they used to do that thing where everybody playing at the same time in the last weekend. Yeah, it's very very interesting from from a Betty standpoint that regard. Okay, so let us begin with the best bets. Will Hill, ladies and gentlemen from the New York City cast your first best bet of week seventeen, Sir, Bengals plus four and a half plus five. I'm not sure what what lines were using here. I just think they're gonna be
right in this game. I'm surprised this is over a field goal. Kansas City's win streak has really not impressed me. I mean the Raiders twice, the Broncos who moved the ball up and down the field on I'm settling for, you know, no drives and no points in a ninety five yard drive, all those kinds of things. Green Bay without Rogers, the Giants getting the Dallas without their two topers sievers to me, this is a back and forth game, last team with the ball. I'm not opposed to and
over here either. I like the Bengals. Do you think they've got a decent shot to win the game for Bengals would be my best bat here. I I let me just step in. I'm with Will. We found out this morning that we were both on this game. I like Cincinnati as well. You think about who has the better wide receivers Bengals, Who has the better running back Bengals, Who has the better quarterback maybe Mahomes but not by much. Um,
who's got the better tight at Kansas City. I just think Cincinnati does, in fact, that they match up pound for pound, score for score. You're giving me the points. This is the biggest game in Cincinnati, and how long gotta be decades at this point? Isn't it my missing a year with the Bengals. I think that what year was it? Dalton might have hosted one of those playoffs the Charger when it was fifty below one, Founts couldn't hold the ball and Ken Anderson completed straight passes. I mean,
that's that's the game that came to mind. That's what I'm thinking of, that cold game that the Ken Anderson. The thing was with Marvin Harrison, he lost all those games at home in the playoffs. He couldn't Marvin Jones, Yes, Marvin Jones, Marvin Lewis he lost all those games. He couldn't win a game, and so there was no big game because they never got to the next round. Um, Marvin Lewis was Marvin Lewis terrific, terrific, terrific defensive. He was good at getting them to the playoffs. He just
was the winning record. They won the divisional up and they couldn't win a playoff game. So there must have been big games in Cincinnati since then. So you're on, I'm on the bank. What's the total here? You have, Todd? Is a consensus? Yeah? You you tipped my hand here will I'm My best bet is the over in this game. I think both these teams will go up and down the field. Kansas City and this win streak has not
played in offense like this. And and look, I think here in this game, this very easily is a is a thirty one thirty one type game. I like getting the points too, but it's not one of my us bet. So I'm over here on this game about Kansas City. Also, if you look up and down their schedule current teams in playoff position, they've won exactly three games. One of them was Green Bay without Aaron Rodgers. One of them was out Dallas without a Marii Cooper and the other
one was Philadelphia. Kansas City doesn't exactly have the greatest resume here. Hey, to throw water on the everybody's chief slurping Todd, what's your best bet? First one? Well, I've been riding the Jaguars unders until the last two weeks when I when I had the over and both them, but not in the picks here. But I knew to stay away from those two overs. I'm gonna go back to the Jags under again. Um now, because they're playing the Patriots. I just don't think New England's gonna show
a hell hell of a lot. I think they're gonna run the ball a tremendous amount like they've been doing this entire season. Um, I can go under forty two here. I don't see the Jags getting more than seven. So even at thirty seven I pushed, But how about thirty four seven for the win? Um? I think it's going under because I think New England is just gonna run the ball and the Jacks aren't gonna score like like typically they don't against any good defense. They usually only
can get seven to ten points. So I'll take Jacks New England under forty two? Is that now the biggest spread of the entire year? The New England Jacksonville game. I don't think we thought the Bills were like eighteen against in Texas against the Texas, wasn't it against the Texas Texas they went up like eighteen eighteen and a half? Yeah, because I know they weren't that against Jacksonville they were no, yeah, oh yeah that and there was also that that one.
Remember I did the ten point teaser to plus twenty eight, so you're you're exactly right, Mike, it was a plus eighteen. You know, it's great for North Carolina on the fourth and one to have a false start, that's all. I think they're tanking this game so that Mac Brown doesn't have the mayonnaise doust. He could die at his age. Can you think of a more disgusting thing to be doused by? They actually got the coaches quotes before the game. Shane Biemer's like, I'm not really a mayo guy. I
don't know if you sometimes just made that up. Okay, will your number two? Yeah, I'll go with the Titans. Three and a half might be up to four in some spots look again, just another phony winning streak. When you look at the Dolphins, alright, they beat Lamar on that Thursday night, that's impressed it. But other than that, it's Mike Glennon, It's Flacco, it's Tyrod Taylor, it's Ian Book on Monday night. Is it's still a really bad offensive line for Miami. The Titans have a major advantace
here in terms of the rest. They didn't play since last Thursday. Miami had a short week. Monday night on the road. Give me the Titans. Is it three or three and a half? Toddy three and a half? Okay, you still like it at three and a half? Yeah? I mean the hook makes me nervous because I don't think there's gonna be a whole lot of points here. But I'm just gonna swallow and hope it doesn't burn me. I think the Titans win thirteen that type of game.
I don't know how much Miami's gonna score here. Will was on a Numbers game this morning and we learned that we're on all the same damn games. I am also on the Titans. Uh, you guys are on every game. I like. I like that one too. I'm on the Titans Spinus three and a half. I was now here for guessing lines this week. Um, but when I when I guessed them on my own, it looked these were the games, all the games that I'm putting out here.
By the way, it's five and oh last week five and you can't give me sixteen weeks and not having me have a better than the three and two. Mikey, don't let anybody tell you you give that guy sixteen weeks. He's getting better than you were. Five and oh. But also three and o on the pod, Todd was four and one and three and three fascinating. Fascinating. But I like the Titans. Here the Dolphins again in their seven game winning streak. They haven't you know, you look at
their list of quarterbacks that they play. They haven't beaten anybody, by the way, I get it. Ryan Tannehill might be the eighth on that list if you're talking just quarterbacks. But the Titans do have a j Brown back. They're getting players back. The COVID issues that it looked like the Titans might have early in the week have now gotten mitigated by the UH the reduction in days off that you need or that you are required to have
from ten to five. So I just think the Titans are better football team, and I think the Titans are live for the number one seed. Sast on those two things. If Cincinnati beats Kansas City and Tennessee can break the Dolphins winning streak, the Tennessee Titans will be your number one seed heading into Week eighteen, and Mike Rabel will be very alive for Coach of the Year as well. So I'm on, I'm on. The Titans think they're better
football team all around than the Dolphins are. If Kansas City has to go to Tennessee in the playoffs, do you like Tennessee's chances to win that game again? Again? They destroyed them the first time. I think the Titans and the Colts. I asked this of Lombardi yesterday, said who are the two Who are the teams that are the most impervious to where they play? And it's the running teams always, right, So I think Titans and Colts for me. Mikey Todd, what's the line that you have
on Broncos Chargers Bronco's Chargers. I have six and a half. I'm gonna lay the six and a half. You love these a f C West games. Well, I tell you I made a lot of money on the Raiders. Maybe I shouldn't have. But the two lane quarterback that works with the Shaun King, explained to me how bad this Drew Lock is. He said, you have no idea the difference between him and Bridgewater. Really, he said, the stiff
the cliff is so steep the difference between them. He made this argument to me last Thursday when he would fill in with Stormy for the guys in the morning. When I went to you warned me and I let a good friend of mine who's a professional gambler, talked me into Denver. I won't mention who, but he talked me into Denver, and and I knew it was in trouble.
Go ahead. Yeah, even with the Raiders giving them a touchdown right before the you know, before the half, they still only put up thirteen points on that Raiders defense. He's really bad. The Chargers are totally humiliating performance, humiliating. They couldn't get ready to play the Texans backup squad. I mean, David's Mills has been god awful. I mean just god awful. Yards per tempt did those four games he played Colts, Colts, um Bill's Cardinals. They got outscored
like two eight. He had four yards pert tempt I mean he only heard six and completions against the Charge. Totally embarrassed. Now they get your locket. All the Brandon Cooks. They didn't never, they didn't have their center, they didn't have Kimie Fairbairn. They didn't. But I told you, I said when the team most likely to lose did I said the coaching mismatch. Colleague coach circles around that guy that doesn't like to kick the ball, and he hagged
out the six and a half. Here. Uh, the Chargers are the team that I think is the most possible volatile results in the postseason. They could get beaten by
thirty and they can play with anybody at the same time. Alright, you guys are taking on all the picks that I've written down here Tennessee and Chargers, and and it's you know, it's funny because last time I'm watching the bowl game and Oregons down fifteen and it's fourth and sixteen from their own two with three twenty to go, and the announcer, I think it was Andre Ware says, oh you have
to punt the ball away. Here, you have to punt the ball away because you know if you if you don't make it, they're gonna have the ball at I'm like, are you serious? Are you serious? You have to fund they're down fifteen? What's the difference? Of course, you have to go for it. But anyways, that's the same thing as I feel now, because you guys are taking all this stuff I've written down, and I have to go for it because I'm way behind, I might as well
take something different. What what doesn't matter if I lose by twelve or fifteen or whatever. It's the same idea. I might as well go for it on fourth and sixteen. So anyways, because of that, I'm gonna go off of all these ones that I have written down. I love Tennessee. I like the Chargers too. I'm gonna just go over and the Chargers over forty What do you guys have for that? What do you guys have for the Chargers over forty five and a half? Okay, I'm gonna go
over forty five and a half. I think the Chargers are the quintessential over team in the sense that they have no defense and they have a great offense. I love Herbert, I love their offensive football. Their defense is horrendous, and you know it came back to bite them last week because that's what the Chargers do. Remember the Steeler game when the Charge just went up and down the field and should have won by a hundred to nothing, and somehow it was like thirty seven thirty four at
the end. I mean, there's been so many of these charges. And how about that Browns game when the Browns ran for a thousand yards on the on the Chargers. There was just game after game after game where the Chargers defense is just not good. So granted, Drew Locks stinks. We all know Drew Locks, but he might throw us six points the other way too because he's so bad. But I think there's gonna be enough scoring there by the Broncos to get you over the forty five and
a half. I think I think the Charger are gonna move the ball up and down the field and it's gonna be a typical Charger game, which is lots of points. Can I ask you, Mikey Shaun King, who, by the way, also played pro. I don't know if you know that Shaun King, he did? Yes, Okay, hometown. Yes, ok uh, not only ant he what what did he say was the biggest difference between Lock and Bridgewater? Was it Bridgewater protecting the the amount of turnovers? Bridgewater will make the
other team make place to win. With Lock, your other offense doesn't have to make any He's the same thing when he was at Missoo. If you remember when he was at Missoo, it was the exact same thing. He had this giant arm and he had this dumb brain. It was exactly like Jeff George. Do you remember, remember Jeff George. He's like Jeff George cloone. Jeff George used to have that rifle arm but used to throw a
zillion picks, so you know he's ridiculous, Jeff. Yeah, Jeff George's arm was an incredible and he was just a brain dead player, a dufus. But so much of quarterback, remember, so much of quarterback, as Drew Brees has shown us, is between the years. It's really not between you know what you can do. And that's why Tom Brady was a sixth round pick. You know how about that? Mr? All?
You general manager geniuses. Tom Brady, by the way, the entire general manager position should be thrown in the garbage because one time Tom Brady was picked six and the greatest quarterback of all time was picked in the sixth round.
So don't give me all your genius nonsense. If an NFL team called you today and they said, Todd Wishnev, we would like you to step into our front office, how long do you think the learning curve would be for you, Todd Horatio Wishnev to be the greatest GM in all of football, I think it would be a while. I think it would be longer actually than being offensive coordinator, because I think I don't understand all the metrics of of things, but I mean I would pick it up
pretty quickly. I'm just saying I think it would be longer than the the offensive coordinator. Let's say you were made the offensive coordinator. How long do you think it would take. I think it would take me two years. If I got to sit and watch film with somebody who really knew their stuff, really really well and ask them all the questions, I think within two years I could be a good offensive Warriors two years. No comment, Michael Palm, that's fine. Take the over all day you can,
That's fine. I mean. I also did the Series seven test in you know, four days of studying. Most people take some six months Mikey, So you know you probably don't even know what that is you and do Series seven in less than a week. I have no idea. What are you kidding? Serious people study? Most people study for the Series seven test for six months. Gily for only pass on the first dry series. You're not an easy one. You can do a Series seven test in
a week of study? You are completely wrong. In fact, I will bet you any amount of money that you couldn't do it in a week. I did it in a week. How about that? Okay? So I passed go to him into a pass post. I'll tell you a funny story about the Series seven. When I was working at a brokerage and took the Series seven. I was back at twelve thirty in the afternoon and they and they said to me, what are you doing? I thought, you're taking the Series seven today and it's an all
day test, and I said, yeah, I'm done already. It took me like an hour and a half for the first part in an hour and a half, and I had an advantage because I knew the option stuff, which is the hardest part of it. Advantage. I had a big advantage. I was done like twelve thirty. They didn't believe me, and then I showed them the test, and then they finally believed me. Yeah you were You were a ringer for that kind of test. All right, number yes, sir.
I just like to comment. What I said was that I didn't think within two years he'd become the top offensive coordinator in everyone. That was your question. How long would it take you to the That was the question? Yes, it was I thought you said a good off, the very best. No, I don't think I would be Okay, That's all I was saying. I took the over up. I think it would take you at least three and
half four seasons to be the top off. I think I could be an adequate offensive coordinator within two years if I could do nothing but watch film with somebody who really knew their stuff for a full two years. How long would it take you to be better than Darryl Bevil? Maybe a week and a half. Are gonna have will your number three? Be very quiet? Will Hill? How you doing it? I'm good South Carolina plus two forty money line second half If anyone's interested in that one.
I'm not sure seven is the second half line there. If you figure in North Carolina is just gonna know show, maybe just take a shot there with South Carolina. I'm not sure it's a great backdoor team though, Will. It's a great backdoor team with with with how you know, throwing meaningless touchdowns. He's like the Jay Cutler of college football. Yeah, it's a good point. What do you have for the Pits Pittsburgh line? I'm sorry, Pittsburgh Steelers, the Pittsburgh Stars.
I will be going don there to to the Hines Field and we'll be watching the game. I'll have a big mel before the game. I'm looking at three, three and a half. I'm saying, I'll give you the three Brownie's minus three big game I'll take. I'll take the Steelers here. I just think this is kind of, uh, kind of be like the Raiders Brown's game, that Monday postponent game where it's just I think it was six teams fourteen. I think it's a teen type of ugly game.
I don't think either team should be laying three or getting three. Remember this is gonna be Big Ben's team, and there's a chance. This is an exhibition game pretty much. If the Bengals win and wrap things up, both these teams I believe, are eliminated. So if you're getting three basically an exhibition game, I just think that's too many points. I think this is a toss up game. We've all seen Baker Mayfield and his issues. So I'll take Pittsburgh
plus three. Cleveland in an amazing spot at least. Now, this could be dead by game time, which is what Will is intimating. But Cleveland two games back in the NFS. Excuse me, the a f C North two games back with two games to play and two teams in between them and the Bengals, And yet the Browns are the second short shot to win that division because they only
need four events to happen. They need to win out game against the Steelers and the Bengals, and the Bengals need to lose to the do do to the Chiefs this week, and the Ravens just need to lose to the Rams their toughest game, and then it's there's the division is there's They would win it at nine and eight, but if things don't go their way, it could be dead and dead on arrival as well, well, are you? Are you factoring in the fact I will be at
the game and also screaming very loud? Is that part of the reason you took the Steelers well handicapped for these four events to happen, So the Browns to win the division? You can find it about six to one three. You're looking at three things that are small favorites and then one upset to get there. What exactly has to happen? Again? Say that again? So the Browns have to win their last two games, right, Steelers? And what's their last game Bengals?
Because they have the Bengals? Is one of their last two games? That's key. And then the Bengals would have to lose this week at home to the Chiefs. Very plausible. And the Ravens would have to lose one of their last two games. Remember they're playing the Rams this week. Plausible. So so really, where's the last game is? Look ahead? Is Cleveland minus one and a half? So Wheel's right, It's all four events would be favored. It's not outlanded.
And I just want to say this, any team and like the history of football that's been two games out with two games to play and they're in dead last, have two teams in between them and the leader. For them to only need four events to happen to win the division is mind boggling. It's incredible. And then their favorite, and they'd be favorite in each one of those events. Yeah, it's amazing. They're all small favorites, right, three points, four points,
one and a half points. It's not one of the ram one of the Rams here this week they're three and a half three and they're all the field goals type games. It's pretty amazing, except you've got Baker Mayfield. Except I firmly believe if he'd have gone too case Keenum. A month ago they were winning this division. What are they gonna do? They pay him eighteen and a half million next year. It's the fifth year they have to
make a decision. After that, it's the Jared Golf, Rams, Kirk Cousins, Washington, Dak Prescott Cowboys, you know you name it. The point in their lists. Who's starting for Ravens against the Rams this war? Jackson Mars. He was in practice yesterday even though he had a hitch in his gidea. He was walking around like an old man. Remember remember how they embarrassed the Rams on Monday Night Football. The Ravens Ravens, right, Ravens wasn't Yeah in l A didn't
They absolutely destroy the Rams. It's all, it's all right, Monday night football. They just scored at will against him. It'll be it'll be fat. Wait when was that on a Monday night football game? What you're talking about? Ravens and Rams? Ravens and Rams? When though like week two years ago? Two years ago? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, but I mean it was a pummeling. Um is a minter? Who's number two? Who's the number three? Your turn, Mike? We have yeah, we have three left. Yeah, I'm gonna take
the what's the Bears six? Todd up Bears? I see the Bears at six six and apple. This Giant's offense is incredible. Um, but I'd rather have it. I'd rather play against From. I mean, From was like five of thirteen for ten yards or something. To know I would I had the Eagles on the teaser, and I get
Philadelphia could do nothing. They couldn't get out of their own way in there, and I never felt there was any jeopardy of them losing that because the Giants had like an eight yard out and he'd be ten yards over the guy's head. He wasn't even close throwing the ball. They can't run the ball. I mean, they're really really bad. And they give Joe Judge a vote of confidence here
in extended, but I mean this is a bad team. Uh. And the Bears get a little pepper their step off a win in Seattle, and and you know, I just think the Giants can't score here. I would look at this, this game could bring it under two, depending on whether but I'd rather lay less than a touchdown with the Bears. These team total opportunities with some of these quarterbacks, like Ian Book, I just keep pounding the Saints under team total. And when you jake from pounding the Giants team total.
If you have access to team totals, folks, and you watch the first two drives of one of these quarterbacks and he can't move the ball, just pounded team total, it doesn't matter what the number is. They can't get there. Will will ask me before the pockets is can I use a team total as one of my best bets? And I quickly quickly said, I'm sorry, that's not allowed. On it allowed, it's not allowed. But but you have to know that the team totals are. You watched two
or three drives and it's just it's it works. It's maybe the easiest bet you can win. We play, we play under Nevada rules. There we did an I can't get this podcast test gaming to save my life. The uh the thing about Kirby Smart and Jake From, though he will always go to he took Jake From. He decided that we're keeping Jake From at quarterback justin fields,
move along. Let's ever forget if Kirby Smart. If you ask Kirby Smart today, you actually have access to have Jake From against Michigan, which of the three quarterbacks would he start? I say it's not Jake From. Say no, Jake From? Uh Todd your third and final. I don't
remember that guy being even good in college. So I don't even know what do these guys watch the games in college and colley they have they have access to these guys in every single practice, right, So like, how do they decide, yeah, Jake From is better than Justin Fields. How does Florida decide, yeah, you know, Felippe Franks, you're better than Kyle Trask. It's it's amazing. How does how does Ohio State decide to themselves? This Joe Burrow guy, he's not really all that. Go ahead, move on. I
mean do they watch the games? I mean I watched fifteen hours of football on Saturday. And again I didn't say I could do the general manager job, but wow, I mean just worse than a watch of the games because they were the practice everything, Like you can't tell a practice they suck. That's incredible. My third pick will be uh and I'm really I'm really scratching here because that you guys took all the ones that I liked. What was your third? Will again? Will Steelers left Washington?
I knew the like, well there you go, thank you very much. Will you uh listen? I know that they gave up a thousand bajillion points in the first half against Dallas the other night. Uh, No team was. No team is as good as they were one week or as bad as they were one week to the next. I think getting the three in the hook against Philly at home is to your point about Philadelphi. Philadelp is not scaring anybody. I do not believe in the Philadelphia Eagles.
Give me the three in the hook I will take woofed, thank you very much, and Washington will remain in the playoff picture to the final week of the year. You know, I love those teams that get absolutely embarrassed on in the game, you know, but but boy did they look horrendous. It was incredible. That was like, that was the only pro football game you're gonna watch. It looks like a college game. It looked like Ohio State against you know, like Miami of Ohio in the beginning of the year
when they just could score it. Well, that was incredible, just an incredible in the season. I I'll tell this story because uh, me and my oldest friend Tommy, who I grew up with. We've known each other since we were six years old, and I was mentioning on a numbers game. He was like if you ever watched The Cosby Show, he was like cockroach in my household, and uh, Tommy and I, you know, when I when learned of
the death of my father, we were crying. And then in the middle of it, because this was during this was during the second half of the Washington game, just sort of you know, laughing through our tears, we decided that my father decided to check out earlier that day because he feared that Dallas would roll Washington. So he was like, you know what, I'm out. I don't want to endure this. But that was our little moment of of amusement to again sort of distract us by Thank
God for football. Football has been the greatest thing ever to distract me from all of this. It's been an awful stretch, but at least there's football to uh keep my mind off things. By the way, thanks for all laughing at my dad's story about him checking out before the washing. Really appreciate that. I heard it on your program. I heard it the first. It was a very hard felt. Final segment on Tuesday was very much. I appreciate it. I like the move, the moving watch football. Oh the
moving the wrong way. I would like as a tribute to my Jesus Christ, they're moving the wrong way. Any two consecutive negative plays, Todd your last, what do you got? I'm gonna I'm gonna just hope Jimmy G's okay and take the Niners. What do you have the Niners at thirteen? I got some at uh, let me see, I'm seeing twelve and a half. What do we have here? At circle. Okay, I'll take twelve. Hold on, I'm not giving you that yet. Hold on one second. I mean I see twelve and
you give me twelve. Okay, Now, I'll think the Niners minus twelve and a half. Um, you know, I'm not a Jimmy g fan. I think he makes too many mistakes. But against a team that stinks, he can look amazing. Uh. Let's just see the Atlanta game a couple of weeks ago, where they just moved up and down the field at will.
I think they've got way too much for Houston. I think Houston they played their game of the year last week, and now they're going to go back to their typical I don't see Houston scoring more than seven points in this game. I'm with Mikey. I'm not a Mills fan. I wasn't a Mills fan at Stanford. I'm not a Mills fan now. I think he's ridiculous. So if Houston Texans get seven, all I need from Jimmy Gee's get me twenty one. So I'll take the Niners minus twelve
and a half. Niners minus twelve and a half. What doesn't my brother get about that? I'm doing a podcast right now. Um, okay, all right, what are we at? Teaser of the week. Oh, this is where Todd wishnev rules supreme and must go first. You must go first, Todd. You must go first because I will not duplicate whatever you have. Okay, did you want to let well the first? Usually we let the correct go first. I'm so sorry, will no problem? Uh yeah, really not a great teaser week.
I think teasers have been pretty profitable this week. This week it was kind of agonizing to try to find one. I'm gonna go with the Chargers, and I'm gonna tea that with reluctantly the Seahawks. I just think Jared Goff outdoors could be an issue, might be Russell Wilson's final game in Seattle, and I just for all the reasons you guys mentioned Aboutdrew Lock, I don't see Denver beating
the Chargers, so I'll go Charger seat offs. Here in the two teams, there is not a single Stanford Wong hey k John Ferguson tweet teaser like this week, not a single one at least. Well that might give you guys hopes to to catch up on me, because I'm gonna go l A Chargers as well. I'm with Will on that one. I think, you know, last week was bad. I think they can somehow get a win against true Lock. And then the second one, I'm just gonna go, Look,
when in doubt go against kirk Cousins. I'll take the Green Bay Packers minus a half at home against the kirk Cousins. I mean, is there any feeling in the world that gives you more um comfort than going against who who I call Philip Rivers Jr. Kirk Cousins or if you have him, is there any more feeling of dread than going with Kirk Cousins. There's nothing better than going against kirk Cousins. I just can't stand the guy, you know, and I think he's the most overrated, mediocre
guy that ever was. I lauded Mikey for finally coming around after he was a big kirk Cousins fan. You know, it's a measure of a man who can can admit that they're wrong, And you admitted that you're wrong, So I I lauded you for that. Mikey. Kirk Cousins thinks give me green Bay minus a half. I sense it opening Michael, I sent it opening ahead. I think no, I think he's gonna lose his teaser? You do, Yeah? Which which don't you like? I think his first one.
I worry about the Chargers, I do, and I worry about Green Bay. I worry about both of them. I'll give you a little worried about pay I'll give you mine. The Indianapolis Colts basically teas down to a half a point against the Las Vegas Raiders. I believe that they're not they're They're more it's more like one and a half. I think, Ellie, what are you saying right now? Of it and a half? That's what I'm saying. What do
you guys say? Alright? To one? Okay, we'll give you an Indie minus one Indie minus one against Las Vegas, paired with the Chicago Bears basically just having to beat the New York Football giants. Indie Chicago. Here comes the teaser come back as well. Mikey, I'm a big fan of Brent Musburger. I know we we've heard on this podcast. Are you really a big big fan of Brent? Up? Would you like to do a brief invitation of how that went the first time I've I've never heard Mikey
say anything about Brent Mussburger. Oh wait, wait, wait it's coming back to me. Oh yes, yes, yes, I do remember. He said something about how in nine four there was that time that Brent was able to predict the entire NFL schedule even though IRV Cross was distracting. An amazing job. Um, what number do you have Todd on Bill's falcons? Those falcons? I've got four teen and a half most places. That's interesting.
All right, I'm gonna I have to be unconventional. Wow, I have to be unconventional here because I have to catch up his game theory. Yeah, Top's trying to find other games. Why doesn't he pick opposite us if he wants to make up if he goes first? Yeah, I'm talking about in the spread, I want to take Mattie Ice, who played his college ball cold Weather Boston College, going up to Orchard Park. Give me twenty and a half with the dirty Birds, and then I'll go with Will
and tease the Bengals up through the ten. There. That is Musburger esque A lot of value in seven to seventeen. Wow, yes, thank you, so since plus eleven and the falcon and half okay. Yeah, by the way, how about North Can you make a stop in North Carolina? Third and one? No, no, no, shot. We don't want any stop by anyone and just continual. What's your total time and a half? You're gonna need
to get there? All right, here's the dilli alright. So, by the way, status uncertain for Carson went still on Sunday, but they expect him to play for the Colts. Um final two questions of each and every megapod one, Which of the big favorites is the most likely to lose? Out right? Oh, we got a lot of choices here, We got a lot of choices. Um, I will include let's first of all, let's do one category of just
the really big ones, right, the double digit ones. Tampa Bay thirteen and a half somewhere in that pocket, hosting the Jets, excuse me, on the road against the Jets, but still thirteen and a half point favorites, Buffalo fourteen and a half point favorites at home against Atlanta, New England sixteen and a half point favorites at home against Jacksonville, and San Francisco twelve and a half point favorites at
home against Houston let's just take that group. And if I come to you from the future and I say one of those teams lose his will who's the team? Boy? I'm actually gonna go out on a limb and I'll just say New England just because I don't know how many points are gonna score. Mac Jones has been a little up and down. I mean, I could see we don't really touch on that game. I don't know if anyone liked that game. I know Todd I think took the under. I just don't know how many points are
gonna be in that game. And let's just say Mac turns it over for a touchdown. You know, Jacksonville defense is pretty good. You know, can Jacksonville feel a twenty seventeen game? I'll actually say Jacksonville believe it or not? Wow, New England team most likely to lose that, right, Mikey Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay doesn't have the three best players. Don't think on the road. They're on the road. I didn't, I know, I don't. I don't think any of them, but I'm just gonna take a shot there. Dodd, I
don't think any of them either, But I'm sorry. I mean, if I had. Yeah, well, we might have to change this question and for the format for the next year to make it more entertaining. I don't really have an answer. I'll go with Tampa Bay people. People pick out that, I mean, Derek called the Lions beating the Cardinals, you know, I mean, I think it's an interesting part of the show. Galer, I think you should of them too. I think you should stay with this format. This is uh, this is
not up for debate. I don't know where we got the impression this was up for Todd's running the show next year. Apparently so Mike Evans, by the way, added to the next week. There's a whole new format next week. We're taping next week. We're taping the pod at one fifteen, and when we're endgame, we'll get our best three end games in the first quarter. You we're gonna do a whole new thing about bad organization that the first thing you ten minutes on the wolf tie. Okay, people would
love to hear that. Sure, I'm going I'm going to say that the biggest of those favorites most likely to lose out right is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers because they don't have their players they're not for net. They don't have Godwin. It looks like they might not have Evans. Now at this point, game cocks inside the five while you're way ahead of us. Just trap back here and they're inside the five. You're three seconds ahead of us. Jesus, Wow,
that's because you're closer, because you're in Pittsburgh. The trade and spits across the direct. It's the direct, the cable. It's funny. I think a week or two before Bowl season, I said, just take the money line on the under the underdog on the money line. All these games of being in good shape. Of course I don't listen to my own advice. This is probably a plus three hundred money line here with South Carolina. They're killing the plus three fifty five closed here will plus three plus three
fifty five. It closed at circa thirteen thirteen, closed with plus three fifty. Man, Well, I got my South Carolina at minus money because I didn't take it. Well, yeah, you wait until they were up. I'm sorry. You know what, what do you like minus what? I think it was like my minus two hundred when I got it. That's not bad. The the overs have been great in the
Bulls that that's been the easiest money. You just look for these games that are that you see a couple of scores early, and just pound those overs because they just never stopped scoring in these bowl games. It's incredible. Can I do a part B of that question? By the way, the second tier? All right, who's the most likely to lose? Of the six and a half ish
kind of favorite? So Indianapolis hosting Vegas, Chicago six point favorites hosting the Giants, Dallas six point favorites hosting Arizona, New Orleans six and a half point favorites hosting Carolina and let us oh and the Chargers six and a half point favorites hosting Denver and Seattle seven point favorites hosting Detroit and green Bay, seven point favorites Hosty in Minnesota. That's a whole group. Who's the most likely lose outright?
Of those? Dallas, Todd I grew with Mikey. I think Dallas. You know it's gonna come in nice, fat and happy after their gigantic win over what most people would call a minor league football team, and uh, and then you know, throw a a stinker against Arizona. I'll be a little different. I'll say green Bay, Minnesota actually has played them tough. They've beaten in the last two. They wanted Lambeau last year, Cook ran for a million touchdowns. They won this year
earlier in Minnesota one. You know, it's funny. Green Bay's not really built for their own environment. I know they're indefeated at home, but if it's minus five degrees, they're a passing team. If you get some wins, could be more of a running game, and that favors the Vikings. Kings actually could take the field here as bad as
they've been. If Washington up said Philly, Minnesota could take the field controlling their own destiny where they only need to beat Green Bay and beat Chicago the last week to get in. I'll be different. I'll say green Bay as a chance the highest supposed to be three degrees. Fahreneit for that game at kickoff three degrees wind chill feeling more like you're in the negative range. I'll say it's Dallas just because it's Arizona on the other side. But I totally get what Will is saying. I do not.
That was the thing about that green Bay Cleveland game on Saturday, was thinking about the four picks from Baker Mayfield the plus four in turnovers, and green Bay barely got by. They still needed to endure last drive and really, by the way, those who had Cleveland got the cover.
The biggest play of that game to get the cover arguably was that Kevin Stefanski down nine was willing to go for it on fourth and twenty two, which likely he's not gonna yet, and green Bay would have had the ball in relatively good field position, might have covered. But it was a phantom false start on the on
the Browns and then four the extra. Yeah, they punted and they stopped and they ended up getting the garbage touchdown one I didn't wasn't garbage because it could have been a game winning uh cog also, but they get the cover with that. I just think that game made green Bay look really shaky to me. The ball, I mean,
they don't get the ball back, the very uncaristic. Really, remember the analytics say fourth and two and four and seven are completely different, and we know in the analytics world you have been you know, very vociferous people not realizing that difference. It's completely different. Did you catch did you catch on my guys in the desert this weekend. I'm gonna say the odds are that you didn't. But Brent came on with Fami because Stormy's out doing the
Bowl games with Rod Gilmore. That's another story in itself how he gets Bowl games. But anyhow, Brent came on to remember John Madden and and he said, I'm so glad that Madden didn't use any of the statistical geek stuff that's taken over the broadcast. Now where where where has it taken over the broadcasts? Where has how that statistics stuff taken over the broadact. I don't think there's
much of being taken over the broadcast. I mean last last night on fourth and sixteen from the two you know, Andrea where with three minutes ago was sure that they should punt the ball away. So, by the way, some of the things that these color people say are just god breathtaking, I mean breathtaking. And you're just like, how does it doesn't ESPN make them do like a fake game before they go on and do and do the
you know, you have to be able to listen. I guess it's just there's so many games and they figure, oh, well, that's a guy didn't play offensive line. And I will stay. I'll throw him in there. You must be pretty good. I didn't much rather have me and Mike Palm do these games than some of these idiots that they have doing the game. It's incredible, and when they do want
to go for it's always the stupidest reason. I was watching Clemson Iowa State and was like fourth in the foot from the plus thirty five, and he's like, well, you're just coming out of the locker room, so I think you have to go for us. Like, how about it? It's fourth in the foot? What to do you're coming out in the locker room. The great the greatest was still that Army game, tiffany Uh. That's the gold standard all broadcast about be compared to it, by the way.
And here's one other thing. Why does everyone put their foot in the ground. He put his foot in the ground and just came up. Where else does he put his foot in the air. It's just put everybody's putting their foot in the ground and going north south. If I here put the foot in the ground one more time, and one more thing. If I see the little girl with the A T T commercial that's mad that she didn't get the right lollipop. I'm going to blow my
head up. I have seen the A T. T commercial with the little girl who goes, it's not fair get the the wrong lollipop, because they're saying that they give everybody the good deals on It's on every commercial, every single thing to the army. Who was Army playing Missouri? And where do we begin that that way? Begin with the five minute opening before they God, I didn't see that we were all prime time actually, but they care the last sequence of that game. First of all, both
in both directions. Well, first of all, the refs were ridiculous, like they were just granting. First did you did you see in the Iowa State Clepson game they marked the first down, they went back and looked at o't it's third and four and four yards to spot yard? The Army was the game. The last two drives, they're like close enough, like a yard and a half there, Like yeah. First, the other thing, if the reason these people were getting the jobs is for affirmative action, which I don't think
it is, but let's say it was. Don't me and Mikey deserve an affirmative action for fat people? Fat people call instantly get ragged on constantly, and me and Mikey deserve you know, affirmative action for that, right Mikey, well that took a turn, no comment. He doesn't like being thrown in that group about this woman wh the NFL networker was gone with the letter nimoy start Star Trek Enterprise.
Look right here, that's amazing. Okay. Uh back to the final final question, by the way, of those games in the six and a half seven point favorites, did we go through that? Yeah we didn't. Oh yeah. And then I apologize Mikey for throwing even the affirmative action group. I thought I was more fitted by the fat group than the affirmative action. That's what I'm talking about. I don't affirmative action for fat people. Yeah, I don't. I
don't consider myself fat. Okay, sorry, I'm sorry. Finally, if we lived in a bizarre world, we had to pick a spread. We had the better spread, had to play each and every one of these games on the side, except for one, one game you want no part of. You wouldn't even bet it with Wishnev's money. What would that game be? Will oh Man? I got a list of them outland here on New Orleans and Carolina. You guys can have that one. I got no interest, DoD uh.
I don't like a lot of these games. I don't want any part of the Bears and the Giants too horrendous teams. Mikey, I don't want any part of this Steelers Browns Monday night game. I mean, I think one thing we haven't really talked about this year is how did Mike Tomlin win seven games with the awful It's an organization that's amazing when you look at this roster, how bad they are and how bad ben is that they won seven games. It's it's not the offensive line.
Poor Naji Harris but hung out to dry because we can't block for the past, we can't block for the run. It's our offensive line. If we had a decent offensive line, bent would not be that bad. Some of this is on him, Todd Okay Ris, you know, he's he's two up and down. He's he you know, he needs a big hole like they opened for a minut in the ground. Yeah, that's exactly right. Well, you put Nagy Harris on Tennessee or Indie Colts. He runs for as much as these
guys Jonathan Taylor and all these other idiots. Trust me, Nagi Harris is a star if you gave not quite as much as Jonathan Taylor, Flay, Flicker, Howell up the top, touchdown a lot, he's over, he's getting there. But the Mike, the overs and the bulls have been fantastic. You notice
something in these Bowl games, Todd. If you're betting live, I wouldn't push the fourth quarter betting live because these teams are like taking nine minutes off the clock to end games against bad teams, and they're just they're totally do it like you have to do it late first quarter, early second quarter when you realize the scoring. In fact, some of them I did him just first half totals over there. There's some good spots with like eleven minutes left.
If it's like the end game, it's more than seven and a half to go under in these spots. Yeah, but you have to be careful. You have to be careful. Thirty two to nineteen Carolina deciding to what are they gonna do down just going for two to cut because they think surely there won't be that many more scores in the game. Um it, Todd. Second the pitch he pitched the boy he's got the corner he's in now he's they're kicking off in Pittsburgh already. By the way,
a great story on that one time I had. I had a cable set up in my house with direct TV on a different TV, and me and my friend are watching the pit Syracuse game, and I said to him, I'll bet you three hundred to one they blocked the extra point, and and of course they did block the extra point, and my friend thought, oh my god. And then I did it again later in the later in the in the game, and I kept making these predictions, and he was like, he didn't understand how I was
doing it. Every time I'm like ten seconds ahead of him. He couldn't because I had there was a little TV that was on cable that he didn't see, and he's watching the directivity. He thought. I was like some kind of nostrodamus. It was what were you doing hanging out with Jeff George? Jeff George, It's like pass posting you on a Series seven. By the way, you're correct, that's the game. I want no part of Pittsburgh in Cleveland, none whatsoever, and wouldn't be just on brand for Pittsburgh.
To win that game, just like you said, like everything could happen because he cannot have a losing here Tom alone, We'll not do it. Just so you know, guys, I've been to two Steeler games. Both games came down to the end. It was the Bears game in the Seattle game. Both games went all the way to to the buzzer. So this one will probably go to the buzzer as well. You pick the right two games to go to, Todd, I'll give you that the best. I can only go.
I can only go to standalone games. You know, Like, how could anyone go to a game when there's eight games going on it? Since I don't even understand the concept, I agree completely. I'm like, I'd love to go to a standalone game, but these other ones, they no pe Well offered me to go all the time to Sunday afternoon, Like Sunday afternoon, there's seven other games on what are
you crazy? My favorite Todd wishnev in the House experience is not only his stories of a college basketball games here in town during Thanksgiving weekend, but the the Pirates game you went? Was it a Pirates game? What White Sox game? Did you Pirates? I was in the front row and talking to the Todd. I got Tim Anderson to yell at me. Todd is behind the dugout and he's waving runners and it's on ESPN. I'm like, let's
fucking wishev right there? Tim Anderson. Tim Anderson hits a ball off the right field wall and ends up with a single, like something Albert Pooholes would do, and I am screaming at the top of my lungs. Timmy, you know you should have been on second. By the time he gets around the third, he's like cursing back at me, which is hysterical because you never get these guys to react back that he was so mad at me. Didn't one of the players ask you, what are the pirates?
Tyler Anderson? Because I'm literally sitting on the front room behind the duck. I'm literally ten ft from the pirates because they're all standing on the front of the dugout. And Tyler Andrews, because I'm talking about my over, he goes, well, what bets do you have? Tyler Anderson's asking me Ben Gamble. They're all asking me what I have? How much did
you bet on the over? How much did you bet on the under it was it was absolutely asking you with amusement or they're genuinely interested in like learning or what are they? What are they? Just like what they were because I was talking about it the whole game with my loudness and they were And so they turn they turned around and they're like, well, so what do you have? Like I don't understand. Do you have the over like he's asking me because I had team totals
on on them over. But by the way, I went to the pitt Jacksonville game, huge crowd, probably five people there, and I was screaming my head off for that one too. By the way, if you ever thought about trying to get the end games prior to you know, if you're at the game, you can't really beat them. That that's I don't know how, And maybe you would know the answer to this deal because it's a very interesting question.
How did the books get the in game information as if they were at the game, because they have a feed they're getting a feed service. Somebody's there there, there's they've what is that? That's what I'm asking you, Yeah, what is that service? I know a person, That's all you need to say, Yes, person, I know that person, the person that is able to at a certain baseball park in southern California rhymes with fete folk smealed where where they were where they were going to play the
Holiday Bowl. Yes, um, that that claims that you can get these live bets in a pitch ahead and he's able to win. Typically you have the typically before the inning start, first pitch of an inning. Yes, yes, yes, it's very it's very difficult. They're they're on it really
really tight decide about something. I understand. I'm saying, well, that's That's the reason I brought that up is because when you're at the game and you see these lines constantly changed, especially in basketball, you know on three pointers and stuff, you would think, oh you could, you know, you see the three go in. The problem is the thing circles on most most betting places, they circle for two or three seconds and you can't get it. But
it's very interesting. Yeah, this spin. This spin. By the way, what you can do if you can be on Twitter right before these college bowl games and sometimes the NFL games kickoff, and you could just Twitter search whatever team name you know, South Carolina coin toss and you just can't hit and refreshed, and sometimes you'll get a result of who's receiving the kickoff, and you can get at the first quarter, first half before they updated comes. That's good.
That is actually I know people. I know people that were all over that. I don't actually do that one, but I know a lot of people who do that one. Is it good for North Carolina if they give up eight yards every first sound? Is that a good strategy? Well, that's why that's why I bet South Carolina in game. In this game. If you can't stop the running of Bowl games, you're gonna have a hard time, all right, Max coaching them up back back? Max does that he
doesn't want Man is that he's not a light? Man is good? Man is absolutely disgusting. Gentlemen, Thank you, will appreciate it. Man, I really appreciate you doing double duty today. Any time, guys appreciate it, I'd be happy to come on again. Thank you. A friend texted me, they said, who's the guest today? I said, it's the Will Hill. They said, ah, the poor man's Josh Apple Obama. Oh wow, that's worse than me. That's worse than me calling you. Fact it is, it's really below the belt. I agree
with that. I Apolomi No, it's nothing nothing against Josh, it's just will as Will. No. I am against Josh, but at not the will hill th E on Twitter, thank you what happened last week at the end of the show. You you did this, I want a clutiful thing about God and now you're against Applebaum. I'm not against app Obama. I just don't like where you have twelve theories and one of them is going to come in the game and you say, see, but what about good will towards me? I'm gonna give a goodwill here
to close the show. I'm gonna give some goodwill. And you know, you know I I lost my dad in two thousand seven, and there's not a day that goes by I don't think about him and the fact that he never got to see my children and that and
I miss him tremendously. Everything that I get, my love of sports and entertaining and comedy comes through him, and I often I often think, in a time like this for you about Robert Frost and how he concluded his poem Relucan Reluctance, and when, to the heart of man was it ever less than a treason, to go with the flow of things, to yield with a grace, to reason, to bow and accept the end of a love or a season. Our thoughts and prayers are with you, my friend.
Thank you, Mike, thank you very much. I will not be here next week because right at the moment that we record the podcast, uh, we will be having the burial service. So Mikey and Todd will do the show. You guys will have your guests. I appreciate that. I am honored that you would do that. So there will be a week a team mega pod with those guys with you guys, completely new format. Apparently with a completely new format. I can't control that. Also, also gils oh
and three in his picks because he can't submit anything. Yeah, I'll have to. I have to send him in. Yeah, I'm not gonna be able to like be in the frame of mind to give him to you that day, So I'll have to give him to you a couple of days before. Well, Gilly, it's like a bowl game, you know, when they put in one of these coaches like Stoops who comes out of nowhere, you know, to do the last game. It's the same idea, you know, you bring in Todd wishing Evan mighty Palm to run
the last one. Apple won't be the guest. I will be back for the wild card round. Thank you all for listening, Good luck with all your bets. Week seventeen in the National Football League,