Beating The Book: 2021 NFL MegaPod Week 15 Preview

in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Thank you, gentlemen for being here our esteemed guest this week speaking of the conciliary, Mike Palm, He's conciliaria as I mentioned, for Derrick Stevens, who runs the joint owns the joint Circus Sports. And of course the deep part of that, uh can we call it conglomerate? Is that? Can we call it a conglomerate? Do you like that? Worry? Hey? I guess you could say whatever you want on this podcast, but can we ever? Uh?

Derrick Stevens, everybody, thank you for being here. I appreciate it. You were kind of to come last year, your annual appearance. Can we call an annual parents on the bank upon We appreciate it? Man, Thank you, Thanks Gil for inviting me, Mike for inviting me, Todd, thank you very much, honored to be here, and and you have come equipped with your Survivor grid, which I want to get to off the top, which is you have got to be because

you this was all you. You were the guy who obviously you have a hand in everything that goes on here, but this was really your baby, right Like you wanted to do a Survivor concause everybody else was doing handicapping standard five games. You guys do that with millions, But Survivor in just two years has become so awesome. You've

got to be truly fulfilled by that. Well, I mean, yeah, it's it's uh, it's kind of bitter sweet and subways, I kind of uh, you know, I kind of like this year the way it's playing out, and get people, get people into it. I mean, I've played Survivor for more than thirty years, and uh, and and all the ups and downs throughout all those decades. You know, I've had some great, great sweats over the years, and I just really wanted to give an opportunity for for others

to to participate. I mean, obviously this starts off as his office pools and you know, in the Midwest maybe a little bit more prevalent. And uh and I just thought that Survivor could take off. So all that being said, UM, I'm glad we did it last year. I'm very glad we're doing it this year. And I'm glad so many people made it through the middle of the season to be able to kind of start to see a little bit of the light at the end of the tunnel

and understand the strategy behind this. I mean, this is like a multiplayer chess match here, this is this is true now. At the same point, I also tell you, Um, I took a big chunk of profit sharing out of some of my guys, like bike and everything else like that, because you know, you could build a lot of great things when you take a million eight hit on a on an idea. So unfortunately, I don't I don't really

have a scenario where I'm getting fired for it. But uh, but but I think we might have been off for that. We could chew it our first year. You're saying, if somebody else came up with this, they might be I don't know. We're pretty we're pretty uh, we're pretty good about dealing with ideas. And some work and some don't. You know, that's all the thing. We try a lot

of things, some work, some don't. Mikey, you know, we sat in the meeting back in the spring deciding format, and and we came down to the end, well, what are the guarantees. Do we still want to do a guarantee? Yes, we do want to do a guarantee. You know, we

expected Survivor to grow exponentially. Uh, it was sort of you know, harmed by the pandemic last year, and it was the first year or not, and we didn't really have a chance to introduce into the market of people that didn't understand it yet at Dead Pointer hadn't heard of it. So we finally got to a discussion point where I said, what about four million and four million

guaranteed for both? And there seemed to be general agreement in the room, and and I thought we were gonna, We're gonna, you know, end the meeting and go forward. And then then Derek said, nah, you know, eight millions just not sexy enough nice at oh really, but two years ago one point five million was a very sexy number. So you know, he wanted to do test sexy inflation gets inflation. Tell me, tell me it's all inflation now. But so that that's where it was, Gil he said,

let's let's do ten million. I said, okay, five and no, not five and five, not five and six and four, six and four. We're gonna get five thousand more people

than we did last year we had thirty. We're gonna get five thousand more people in the Survivor And you know it ended up they were both just a little over four thousand, four thousand eighty entries and Survivor and I don't I don't mean to to not talk about circle millions, because obviously that's awesome too, but four thousand eighty and Survivor were down to twenty three survived, all survived last week twenty one different people with twenty three

entries because two people have to uh, and there's still the possibility of the one million dollar bonus in week eighteen. I guess that's what I want to ask you, Derek, is um so the rules that you guys both came up with the one million dollar bonus at the end, if you still have the chiefs and the bucks available. Um. Also, of course, the biggest things are the Thanksgiving and Christmas corks,

thanksgivings a standalone week. Last year you added Christmas Week, And in the end, we know people who I didn't like that, they thought it added too much luck to the process. I would kind of argue that it's awesome because it almost adds more strategy to it. Yes, there's more luck, but I think the strategy overweighs that you

you've gotta you've gotta be happy about that too. I would think in the washing the end, Yeah, I mean last year when we had thirty five contestants, go eighteen and oh and we had just over a thousand contestants, I kind of thought, well, you know, obviously, with us putting the guarantee out, we thought we're gonna have far many more contestants, and we thought that, you know, we gotta add a little bit more complexity and a little

bit more strategy to it. So, um, the NFL gave us the gift of the extra week, so that took care of one extra leg. But I just didn't think nineteen was going to be enough. Um, and I really liked the way when the schedule came out that we could create this Christmas Week because I think the strategy of the Thanksgiving week. Everyone really likes it. And it makes you think in week two, in Week three, am I gonna shoot the Am I gonna shoot the Bears? Lines?

Am I gonna shoot shoot the Cowboys? Or something like that. So I kind of thought, Okay, we're gonna take that same theme and we we have a three day, three three game Christmas week between the Thursday and the two two Saturday games. And I thought what that would do

would would create more strategy. So I thought it would reduce randomness, reduce luck because now you have to protect for these six teams and Thanksgiving and these six teams in on Christmas and uh, And I thought I thought going a twenty and oh was was going to be uh, you know, probably the right number with the number of people because because it's not linear tex pinential, I mean, the nineteenth you know, the nineteenth selection, the twenties selection

makes it a lot lot harder. Yeah. And just to wrap it up, the Survivor talk to just to let people know of those twenty three remaining entries, each value currently of over two d sixty thousand dollars almost two hundred sixty one thousand uh. For this week's purposes of the big favorites, Dallas and Buffalo not available to anybody

in the field. Sixteen of twenty three have Miami available, fifteen of twenty three have San Francisco available, thirteen of twenty three have Arizona available, and just four of twenty three have Tampa Bay available. Maybe they're saving Tampa Bay for the last week. By the way, two of twenty three have Kansas City available for that last bonus and the other little thing. Ten of twenty three have green

Bay available for Christmas. Green Bay has all of a sudden, looked like the only Christmas play to make um, but obviously ten people have that option. Ten entries have that. Yeah, I mean, back in August, we're talking about how you gotta save Arizona, you gotta save Arizona, and that looked like that looked like to you know, the initial the initial strategy that you gotta hang on to. But then

what's happened with both Green Bay and Cleveland. Green Bay has become probably the play you gotta save for Christmas, just become more of the favorite. Now out of all out of out of our twenty three entrance, twenty two

of them have either Green Bay or Arizona. UM. I think what you're gonna see, You've got this other team that's lurking out there, that has a lot of availability, And I think the Tennessee Titans are going to be very critical UM for for these entrance moving forward here because the availabilities there, and there's a couple of couple of situations where you know, when you start thinking about, you know the interview did with Joe Peter, you're thinking about, Okay,

it's one thing to to to make your selection and survive, but now you really you really have to evaluate the pot. You got to figure out, Okay, what's someone else doing. There could be a reason why not taking um one of the one of one of those two on Christmas. You may have an opportunity to significantly increase your your intrinsic value you want to ticket. So you really gotta evaluate how you how you play every one of these out. I know, I talked to parlay G the other day

on Sunday. So parlay G is flying in every every Sunday morning, and and he's making his own hedge bets in the book one of the last entrance, Yeah, one of the last entrance, And and he has mapped out for every entrance what he expects them to do. I think that working his way back. So I thought I had a really interesting conversation with with him and Banks on Sunday, and I think before the season I said it here, which is, I don't think you map out

the whole season to begin with. I think you played a survive early and then you played a win, which is what Joe said the other day on Sunday, or excuse me on Tuesday on the Numbers game as well. Um, really really fascinating game for sure, and then circummillions the lead. The leader is what now? Through now, Hannibal barkas first and second one of his entries fifty one and nineteen.

He's in second place at fifty and twenty. Then there's a three way tie for third, two of them with the same person, Derbify and mad Russian has the other one at forty and twenty one. So Barkers got a two game lead over those three and and an entry in between him as well. With four weeks to go. Oh, I don't even know what to think about millions and

any handicapping contest anymore. In the NFL, with five games a week, you don't want to take away anything for obviously he's got one end to their right, But like, is it anything but a massive pool where one person is just sort of randomly going to be awesome? Because is there any rhyme or reason to this? Like Las Vegas Chris had two great years, James Selinas had two great years. Even that's not a big enough sample size right to like really know if you can do this.

As Roxy Roxboro famously says, gil nobody wins at football all the term nobody and that was even back then. Now good for him man or good for her whoever it is. Remember when Hannibal Barker was at like se and PAULI had the theory let's fade him the whole rest of the way. That don't. But it's interesting with two entries here, or even for derbify with two At what point do you because they've been making same entries with these right, what point two weeks left, one week left,

do you vary at the end? I think I think so, because that's the that's the hammer at the end if you have that option. Yeah, yeah, still too early with four weeks left in in millions millions three by the way, Todd. How do we do last week? God Todd, who was not changed since the Ivan Power administration. Now, it's interesting that when you and Mikey agreed, it didn't work out

so well for the two of you. The Wolfie football team, which I was also going to take, but when I saw YouTube take it, I realized that was a mistake. I stayed away from the Woofties, and the Woofties did. What the woofs do is defense organization. We made the pick on Thursday, we found out Saturday they wouldn't have half their defense. It's like the entire practice squad. I think, now you need a defense. Come on, I'm a payers. It's just funny that whenever you got whenever more than

like two of us agreed, that pick never wins. You guys also agreed on Arizona on Monday Night Football and took it in the Old Key Star on that one as well, So both of you guys went one and two. I also went one in two with my every week winner, Jack's under my Jags under wins every week. That's the only thing I picked correctly. My loss is the Buffalo Bills, which I totally deserved the whole way and Buffalo. That

was a joke. That was a joke that I didn't deserve to cover at the end when I should have covered, because clearly the Bills were the wrong side the whole time, and then they were going to cover, and then Jets. The Jets didn't really have a chance. So that was a bad pick on the teeth. So basically the standings say the same. Mike is eighteen twenty and one, You're a half game behind at eighteen and twenty one. I'm two behind in the lost column. I'm sorry, I messed

it up. You are seventeen going the wrong way. You are nineteen and twenty three. Mikey is two and one, stays at half a game ahead of you again, and I am eighteen and twenty four. On the teaser side, everybody won their teasers, so you are six and seven one Mikey seven and seven, and I am nine and five Mikey with an incredibly lucky teaser win. When the Pittsburgh Steelers decided, well, actually when the guy on Minnesota

decided to taunt at twenty nine to nothing. As soon as he did it, I said to myself, watch that be important, And all of a sudden. Here we go, and we're back into the old NFL. It comes down to the last play. It doesn't matter if it's twenty nine and nothing. It's always going to come down to the last play. Pittsburgh got the ball the way to the twelve yards. By the way, the ball was in Friar moves hands in the end zone. He could have

fought that ball for a touchdown. That was unbelievable. Nice job by Chase Claypool a wasting time with his first down. And then to blame the guard that came over and tried to get the ball from him. He blamed the guard. Well, it was it all wrong right, like he started the stupidity and then the guard made it worse. Joe Green had the best quote. Who said, what are we doing trying to win games? Or show are behinds? Did Joe

Green have a nickname? By the way, he was mean, by the way, when that's happening, aren't you guys just saying to yourself Kirk Cousins, what he is? Kirk Cousins gonna thro my friend texting he goes, Kirk Cousin's gonna throw a pick six here immediately threw that interception to the guy. I don't know how the Steeler's defensive back didn't get in the end zone, but he threw that interception, and you're just like, what, how is this happening every week?

That Kirk, because it's unbelievable. He ran out of gas after fifteen years. I didn't get that. I texted I was like, how did he not score? All? Right, let me ask you this question when Tom was down fifteen and he scores. I don't like going for two there because it takes all the momentum out of their sales when they don't get the two another down nine. I know some people say you want you want to know how many times? But I thought it stunted the momentum

right there for them. Yeah, had rufus. That's the age old argument. Do you want to know ahead of time what you need or do you do you want to keep the momentum. I don't think there's a right or wrong. Yeah, I mean I think most people. Most people were offended, right. I got like at least three or four tweets when Baltimore tried to take it from nine to seven. And I do think it's about knowing the future. Right, you want to know what you need. There is the old

school thought, which is what you're talking about. Mikey. Doesn't make it the wrong thought. It's the old school thought, which is, no, you want your players having the mentality that it's only one more store. But it's really not one more score, right, It's that you gotta go six and two, and if you leave that too for the end, you're just leaving it up to the gods at that point.

But the nine and seven is different, Gilly, because in the nine and seven you're taking yourself out of even having that opportunity to get the last touchdown if you miss it. What Mikey saying on the fifteen is just wait to do it on the last one is opposed to do it on the earlier one. Those are two sort of different, a little bit a little bit different. Nine let's just take nine and nine to seven versus eight to six. Nine to seven is about knowing the future,

knowing what you need. Eight to six is actually a mathematical probability enhancement for winning. You actually should go from eight to six. But Mike, you run it up about fifteen. At fifteen, should they have should they have just kicked the extra point? There, and he's he's he's of the opinion that you want to keep the momentum rolling, which

you know, I don't have a problem with that. It was like the self fulfilling prophecy for all the Minnesota's fans watching Cousins implode in a game that they absolutely were dominating. Right, So I thought that kind of took a little bit of the pressure off of Cousins the next drive, knowing they were still up two scores with four minutes to go or five minutes to go. All right, let's talk about third before we get to our best bets.

Let's talk about it. I don't know, by the way, I have no idea who we're all getting the three best bets this week. Um, but Thursday Night Football tonight it is now a three and a half point spread. So it's gone from three to four to three and a half, three to four to three, back to three and a half in favor of the Chiefs tonight all the road against the Charges. So the issue with so many of our games official podcast, uh, the issue is that Chris Jones COVID for the Chiefs, Rashawn Slater, they

standing out offensive line for the Chargers COVID. Probably I think it means more that's laters out, but that's that's just my opinion. The issue is that both Austin Ekeler and Derwin James are questionable. So I'm not sure how I can make any pre flop bet on this not knowing if those two guys are playing or not, or either of those two guys. You guys have any bets on this game tonight so far? UM, I do not. But um, you know, people often ask what are you

gonna need? Well, when you have a situation like what's going on this week, that's come in far later because no one wants to make an early best. So our our volume on this game, which should be over the top, it's not as of right now because exactly for the reasons you stated, people want to wait. Um, I think if you had to make a play right now, I

think you've got to be looking at the chargers. Chargers are at home charges the money, and then the way COVID plays out, you may have you may have a certain move where you're gonna get a lot of value on the chargers play over the next let's say six hours, where I have a hard time believing you can get a lot of value out of a Chief's play because at three and a half, it doesn't really make that much of a difference if it goes to a five and a half. Effectively, Yeah, I mean you got the four.

But but I think if you had to make a play right now, um and considering that um, the COVID numbers maybe random, I would take the I would take the Charges. I think I agree with all of that, liking you, Eileen, Chiefs, but I think this is the way you play this because I think the Charges when tonight they're going to run the table and win the West. You lay one sixty five with the Chiefs tonight and you can find plus two forty to win the division

with the Chargers. That's how you would play. That's how I would Okay, alright, look at mikey go, that's interesting. The the the uh I think that you know, I've only said it five million times, but I think people are starting to get the idea you have to these games in game, and this could not be any more of the most obvious scenario now this week, when everybody's out in every single game, you have no idea who's playing. Just watch the damn game and then bet. My god,

why wouldn't you wait to makes no sense. I've never heard you mentioned that before the first time. I know, I've never mentioned that. I've never mentioned But you know what if the guys, if you want to keep betting pregame, go ahead, keep betting pregame. All right, Well, we have to make three pregame bets here, Todd. That's how this works. So uh, it's it's increasingly difficult because there's so many other games with moving parts. But Derek will start with you,

what as of Thursday morning? Anyway? And this is the problem. We do this earlier, earlier in the week, obviously with with not complete information. But what's your first best bet? Well, let me let me just ask Todd. Todd, you listed out the records of Mike, Gil and yourself. Do you ever keep records of who the how the guests have done? Yes? How have the guests done? Uh? You know what? I don't have their cumulative I can tell you, I mean, have all their pack How did Jeff you do last week?

For instance? Okay, Jeff Shorts, he had chiefs Raiders under forty eight that didn't seem to come through the Tampa Bay Buccaneers minus three and a half of the miracle overtime and the Niners minus one and a half, which also was pretty fortunate. I would say, yeah, two and one, and then his his teaser was Green Bay minus six and a half and Seattle minus two and a half. The week prior to that we had Dr Bob. He had the Buffalo minus two and a half that week

that was in New England week. I think so that he lost that. I think he had Seattle plus three and a half. I forget who they were playing and in the minus ten I think he went to In one as well. I mean we I could go back and look through and see where their records are as a cumulative if he really wanted me to that they we're playing the forty Niners. He went to in one. Yeah, yeah, I think he went to I can even get Derrick Stevens.

We had this guy named Derek Stevens on last year and I have his guest picks too, if you want to know, boy that I do looking for. He's very good at creating sexy football contests. That's for sure, all right, Derek number one for you number one. Um, I will take after what we saw with UH with Arizona UM for the first time this season. I'm gonna I'm gonna like the Detroit Lions at home plus their team. I just think there may be an opportunity here where this

is a game that Arizona needs to win. But this is one of those types of games where Dan Campbell seems to be keeping his team in UH in the games. UM. I know that they are severe running back issues last week and got blown out, but this is the This is the type of type of game where you get

a little bit of a Lion's comeback. I be the Lions in a far different light than I look at the Raiders, to be honest, I I think the Raiders maybe one of the worst teams in football today, where I don't think the Lions are the worst team in football. So Lions plus thirteen would be my first selection. All right, thee Yeah, the Raiders. The Raiders seem like dead men walking it did they just they just look like they're

just done. How about that Saturday the Raiders and the Browns where the Browns are completely decimated, their starters all on the COVID list. We don't know if Baker Mayfield's playing, if not will be case Keenum and then the Raiders. We don't know if Darren Waller is playing. And now the Raiders are favorites in that game. I know you have a play on that coming. I'm Mike, what's your number? One? Is that from going to take the Browns? That's the

number now, Todd. It's moving every minute. Brown's plus what I see Brown's plus one one one and a half. I say plus one is mostly whatever it is now. Look, I think this is an overreaction if it's just mainly based on Baker Mayfield. I've been calling for a month for case keenem to be playing with a lot of us have Yeah, he's better right now, he's better. Baker Mayfield is just inaccurate. I think that they almost gave

away that game to a team with no quarterback. They couldn't throw the ball last week, right, That's that's unfathomable. And and you know the Raiders. I agree with what Derek saying. They're in the worst spot, maybe than the Lions. Paul Howard said two weeks ago he didn't think the Raiders would win another game this year, and he might just be right. He probably could have got a pretty nice price on that that they lose their last six games. Um,

but they're in bad shape. They can't really move the ball without Waller. I mean they were done four minutes into that game in Kansas City, Uh this past weekend. I just you know, when you look at the odds boards right now, the Browns are the second choice and not far behind the Ravens to win the a f C North. They're still in this thing through all of their problems. Let's not forget how good their offensive line is. They have a lot of talent, they can rush the passer.

I gotta take the Browns. I think, you know, moving this game eight points is too much of an overreaction. This would really stink for the Browns, who are seven and six and in it if this is what caused them not to make the playoffs. But that's the first of two games on Saturday, and Mike, I think what keep thinking. What you just said is that it is

um the determination on whether Waller will play. Yes, I could argue that I would argue that that Darren Waller might be a top ten most impactful player on any on any team, maybe even a top five, because with offense and defense, I'm just saying believe, whether Waller's playing or not, he is the most impactful. I mean, I'm putting him up there like you know, you got what if Brady's out makes a big difference. But Waller Rodgers is number one. I mean, certainly I'm saying Rogers, Rogers, Brady.

But Darren Waller has such an incredible impact on this Raiders team. So for me to play that game that that'd be one, I would definitely need to know one way or the other. Cont to I say it on the numbers, theame all the time. You can't bet on the Raiders if Waller is not playing, But if he's playing, it's a completely different story. It's sort of the same with the Falcons and Cordarrell Patterson. It's sort of the same with the Niners in debot, though not as much.

But I completely agree with the Waller thing. That's the first of two games on Saturday. Obviously, the Colts Patriots game is another market game Saturday Night, which is great to have Saturday NFL. Dodd your first pick. I like what Mikey said up with Baker Mayfield. I mean, every time I watched those progressive commercials of Baker Mayfield. I'm thinking that progressive by like the jersey of last year's

guy who got cut from the team. I mean, they made this entire giant spend on Baker Mayfield being the face of this big giant commercial thing. He might not even be the best quarterback on his team. I mean, it's unbelievable. So I mean, I love I love Mikey's pick. I'm not gonna pick it because I have to, you know, catch up on Mikey, but I like that pick. I'm gonna go with my best pick. As uh, the Bengals plus three. That's why I think that. I think the Bengals.

That means we can't win this one. Um the Bengals plus three last week. You know, the Bengals really joint that game away when they when the guy punted late in the first half and they fumbled the ball on muff the punt, and then they stop him and another stupid taunting. With these stupid tauntings, it's unbelievable, and to give him another chance, and then the Niners get a touch on. Now it's seventeen six, and now you're behind

the eight ball. But even with all of that, now you're down twenty to six and this team just Burrow has a he has that it factor. He has that it factor. I think Burrow is gonna be a real star in the league, if he's not already star. To come back from twenty to six to take it all the way to overtime. Granted, now they take the lead and then they blow it over. To me, that was a lot of four to two. There was like the opposite of Gilly iis tennis game. It was like, we're

gonna dig deep. We're gonna hang in this game no matter what happens. We're down two touchdoes, We're not quitting. We're gonna hang in against a good team and we're gonna keep battling. And that's what I love about the Bengals, and I think they're gonna be able to keep it close against the Broncos team that we all know is just mediocre. Everybody knows they're just mediocre. Pretty decent defense.

They'll play John Fox football, try not to lose, and I think the Bengals can stay inside the number, if not win the game out right. By the way, we're getting the full three are we're just getting the two and a half here, Let's be fair. I think we're getting three now two and a half minus one, Okay, so I'll take the two. I'll take two and half. Yeah, I just want to be fair. I'm not like Mike. I'm not gonna win since it is my number one

as well. Not only not only the two muffed puns Todd, not only the targeting call, but Cincinnati also had the both fourth and one and fourth and two on another drive inside the red zone. So two drives in the red zones where they settled for field goals fourth and one and fourth and two. So it was a combination of bad special teams play, their poor decision making, and a horrible call. And yet in the end they got it to overtime against the Niners and you still almost

pull it out, and still almost pulled it out. That's what That's what overtime usually indicates. Yeah, so Cincinnati. This this was the one line on guessing lines on Monday where I had no understanding of why Denver was favored none whatsoever, So I thought Cincinnati should be two and a half point favorites. Then this line has not moved all week, which is surprising to me. So Cincinnati is

my number one pick. I ask a question. I asked him all this before the Cincinnati Charger against Chargers, right, And I said, who is the better quarterback, Joe Burrow or Justin Herbert? And he said, is that question a joke? It's not even close? That is Joe Burrow that it's not close, it's a I disagree with that. I disagree. I think he's just trying to be uh provocative with that.

Those two guys, let's just take them both. Those two guys have ruined rookie quarterbacks forever now, because those five guys that were drafted this last year, you know, Mac Jones ended up in a great situation. If he plays for another team, we don't know how good he is. Trevor Lawrence ended up in a bad situation. If he ends up in a good situation, we don't know how good he is. But the group of five as a whole, like you're trying to live up to that standard just

recent history. This next draft class isn't supposed to be as good as this last one was, So I don't know how you can say one of those guys is so much better than the other. I don't think anybody agrees with that, do they? I just thought it was a good question. I think I think asked a hundred people, not more than fifty five are gonna stay one way. I don't think a Mall even believes that. I think he's just trying to be prova. Derek number two, number two,

I like what's happening with Stafford. Rams are coming together and I will think the l a rams uh um and uh. I lay the points here from my second selection minus four and a half now in another game that because of COVID has moved tremendously. I mean, that's the biggest thing of the of the biggest theme in the NFL right now is how wildly these lines are moving because of COVID, because we don't know about certain players, but COVID specifically has moved you know, that line from

seven to four and a half. Obviously, we just talked about the Browns and the Raiders. That's the biggest move of all of them. And we still haven't heard non COVID about Josh Allen, we still haven't heard about Lamar Jackson. Those line moves probably pending, certainly pending if we find out that either of those two guys are not playing.

Mikey number two, we before Mikey goes, can I just make a point about that real quick, because I think you get even more value on in game now, and I'll tell you why, Because they're going to make these opinions on what happens pre game, and they're gonna move the line right. And they may be right that they're moving it a lot, and they may be wrong that they're moving it a lot, But if you're watching the game, the in game line is going to be based on

the pre game line. If you're watching the game and you realize, hey, wait a second, they made a huge mistake in changing this way too far, they still have to make the rest of the in game lines off of that in game incorrect line. So in a sense, you have even more value by watching now because there's gonna be such a disparity of what what are these teams really worth? Is COVID knocking them really four points out of whack? Is Baker Mayfield not being they're really

knocking these games seven points out of whack. You watch the first quarter and you're like, wait a second, Yeah they might have COVID, but they don't look that bad, then the whole thing is messed up and you get to bet into lines. They're messed up from the beginning to point, Todd, Absolutely a great point. We talked about that last week as well. That you know, obviously, the way some of the algorithms work here, they take you to account the opening, the opening. I'm sorry of the

closing line. And your point is exactly on exactly because it's greatly impacting, greatly impacting the end game, and it gives you additional value in that first and second quarter. It's a great point, Toddy. Mikey number two. Hit it, Todd. I'm gonna take to Miami Dolphins. Miami Dolphins, they have won a million in a row. Let's hope it stops when we need Mikey to get in hell. We need Mikey to get in hell. Brian Flores, please get dumb, Please get dough. I've been on this Dolphins team for

a while now. And look, it's kind of funny because Survivors become a play against the Jets again like it was last year, right when everybody was basically fading two teams, even we had somebody picked the Saints on the road last week, right, I mean, I mean, that's kind of the courageous pick there, but they're bad. They're a small team. Look at this Jets team on the TV. They're small. The running back is small. That Mormon quarterback seems very small. Okay,

they seemed very they seem very small. They seem yeah, they seem very small. Like they're just they're playing they're playing NFL, the NFL, but they're they're not big enough team. They're horrific. How could they how could they be so out of that game? I mean when Todd made that pick, I didn't love it last week, but I didn't hate it to the way that they performed against You know, a team was really doesn't have an NFL quarterback as well in in the Saints and the Dolphins defense. I

put him in the top five. They're consistent flores. Like you say about Belichick, he didn't stop knowing how to coach the first six seven weeks of the season. I still think he's one of the top coaches. And the Dolphins, believe it or not, starting out one and seven, are still in the playoff hunt. Here. I like the Dolphins to win this game convincingly. Learned that the Jets played him pretty tough. A couple of weeks ago. Not concerned Todd. When Mikey was alive in the nineteen forties and Sid

Luckman was playing. I know how that podcast went. Why that little Jewish quarterback? It's very small, you know, the Jews. The Jews have the smallest quarterbacks, and then comes the Mormons, then comes to Christians. The Muslims actually have a huge quarterbacks. Kaepernick was pretty bigger. You know, go ahead, DoD what's number two? Uh? My number two pick is going to be. I don't really want to do this, but I'm just gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Um,

what what number? What number do you guys have in that game? Got eleven? Oh? By the way, Mike, I have you down from Miami minus nine and a half. That's the fair line. Okay, okay, So I'm gonna take Tampa Bay minus eleven in this game against the Saints. You know what, you didn't impress me, Mr Saints be the Jets for every reason that that Mikey just said.

And that game wasn't really a blowout. It was sort of hanging in the balance a little bit there, And I just still don't believe that taste some Hill is an NFL quarterback. He's not an NFL quarterback. This is this is football from the nineteen fifties. This guy, I mean, he could throw the ball a little bit, but remember what happened against Dallas. And now you're gonna go against Tampa Bay. They're gonna be able to move the ball. They move the ball against everyone. They were crushing Buffalo

that game. They're gonna score zillion points. And you're telling me that a guy a team with no quarterbacks going to keep up with them. It's not gonna happen that the Tampa Bay is getting their twenty eight or thirty one points. Now you've got to get taste some Hill to twenty points. Taysom Hill can't do it. I'm sorry giving me the Buccaneers minus eleven. The general sentiment for me is that Cincinnati is clearly my number one man

two and three. I'm already struggling this week because there's just so many reasons not to play it like I don't. I prefer with Buffalo for Josh Allen to be ruled out and then for the line to crash with Drabinsky, and then to take Buffalo in a much lower number, but that's not here on Thursday morning yet. Um, I think in the end, what I'm going to go with here is I hate to say this, I think I'm taking the Green Bay Packers at minus five and a

half on the road against Baltimore green Bay Hackers. That's going to be trouble. Yeah, that could be very that could be very big trouble. Um. We don't know if Lamar Jackson's playing. We just saw on the screen here. It's a day to day on Lamar Jackson as we do this on Thursday morning. But Eric Eager Dr. Eric Eager, by the way, was on Pro Football Focus, he was on favorite of many at Visa. He was on Primetime Action last night and we he he said he made

a comedy. Said Baltimore knows that their team is not good. They know that players too through fifty three are not up to par. And um, I think they get that, and I think Baltimore is free fallen. And I think green Bay just goes out there and beats anybody that's in front of them. It's not a very deep analysis, but on a card where there's very little to to find, I think I trust them more than anybody and I think if it's Huntley, I'm getting a good line here.

So minus five and a half on Green Bay number two, and I think, Todd, You're right, Oh, this feels like trouble that number two for me. Derek third and final, So I have a question and rule sets here because my third selection was already selected, It's okay, Yeah, well then I'm then I'm gonna jump in with Mike Palm on the Miami Dolphins. I think the Miami Dolphins is gonna will be one of the top selected teams this weekend Survivor. And I like the way this Dolphins things

playing out here. So Miami Dolphins was my selection, So I'm not trying to trying to jump ahead of anything, but like I like, I like the Dolphins. So I'm with Mike. But you and mikey are going with a team that now has covered like a million in a row. Do you guys have any concern with the fact, like typically in NFL season's teams don't just cover forever week after week. All coin flips are independent, Toddy. Everything's chips

are independent, Todd. I I fall into that category. I don't like betting on NFL teams that have covered four times in a row. I I just generally think you always ever regress in or you've got line movement that uh that equalizes things. I mean, I think I think actually taking a Martin Gale on Losers is the only time in Martin Gale on a handicapped element could potentially make sense. Um, So I'm generally against it. But but I just think this Jets team is us falling apart.

Right about the Cleveland Cavaliers. They've covered thirteen in a row. Yeah, incredible, one night of eleven the greatest team has ever lived. I don't know, but what a night in the NBA it was. And I know that's not off top, but one of the best nights I remember in the NBA back and forth at bizarre ending in Dallas where they fought for each other for the rebound. It was quite a night. By the way, you said, I saw that thing that that Cleveland caveators covered with thirteen a row.

Are they covering really close? Like do they have a bunch that covered by like a one or they're covering big. They're covering pretty substantially, Todd. Last night they were sure there were the five, five and a half and the h what's the total on the forty nine or Falcon game that you have their Todd Falcons. I have forty six and a half as well. Go over Todd for

my final pick over forty and a half. The Falcons aren't stopping anybody, and this this forty nine or running game when they have deepo Samuel as a running element. They are so good and yet the defense could not I mean stop Cincinnati in the fourth quarter of that game. Is Cincinnati forged their way back into a tie and not in overtime either, really, I mean the sack on third downer, I think Cincinnati is gonna win that game and score a touchdown with the opening possession of overtime.

Taylor played it so conservative, almost like the way Naggie did on Sunday Night with the Bears. I mean, playing

so conservative hunting from the plus. I mean, who has the theory let's make Aaron Rodgers paid, Let's let's had a nonsense is that if you had Matt Naggie first coach fired, that's a bad beat that you know you don't he doesn't get fired Monday, and then dumb Urban kicks the kicker and doesn't know which players are on the field and all that stuff so over and because the Urban Meyer Higher the worst now that we can look back on it, is it the worst higher in

the history of the NFL given his breath of work over you know, the months that he was on the job January to December. I guess I can't find you can't. I mean, those are all the field. Yeah, I think it's the worst. It was a sound show from day one. Yeah. Colin Coward had a good tweet. He said, coaching in the NFL is hard. It's not as hard as Urban

Meyer made it. Look. That's exactly right. And also, you know what it also tells me all these in and then I know this is gonna get todd to be like well, of course, but it just is another sort of thing because no one else will say it. These college coaches that everybody worships are idiots. Thank you. I've said it ridiculous, not all you know what I mean, the ones that they have they have huge Scott, Yeah,

let's give it. I mean, it's unbelievable the egos of these guys and how absolutely ridiculous they are as human beings and by the ways, as football coaches too. Ryan Day was a better coach than urban Meyer the day

he arrived on the field as the head coach. I think most Ohio State people feel that they do that way right away, not just well, it's like when you're you're watching these college games, there's there's two minutes and seconds left and you're winning the game, and they don't tell the quarterback don't snap the ball with seconds on the decisions. I mean, I'm not asking I'm not asking for genius stuff here. I'm asking you for the very

very basic. It's unconsfortable what they do on a football field, let alone off it. It's incredible. I think sabans the outlie. Of course he's still involved in game planning and calling defenses. And I love how you called me out on all. Yes, not all, Mikey, you got me there there are by the way, there are there are bright boaches and and by the way, I'm sure even some of these guys are very good at the X and the oils. But some of these basic ideas incredible in man uh Todd,

But they haven't given my third. You haven't given that. Okay, I'll go first, Washington, give me the wolfed Yeah, because they're catching nine and a half now, Like why you should wait? Everybody steams up Philadelphia every week, you might be getting I was never gonna pick Washington, but it's nine and a half now, like even why even why

is it nine? And I have no idea? Well because they have four teen guys on the COVID list, right, but they played with half a defense last week two and still had a chance to tide Dallas at the end. So and by the way, Terry McLaurin went out in the third quarter concussion protocol, Heineke went out. Uh so, there's reasons why it's it's moving in that direction. I

just don't know why it's moved to nine and a half. So, just on principle alone, I'm taking the three time Super Bowl champions, greatest franchise in sports history, washing and football team. Let's not talk about their owner. By the way, Roger Goodell has already backed up Daniel Snyder. He's like, oh, he didn't he didn't hurt hurt the probe at all, worst human being on earth. This is an elimination game

in the NFC playoff race. Yes, right, I mean we have a lot of those, right, because isn't say Cincinnati Denver, perhaps an elimination game could be Um, I mean Las Vegas Cleveland is an elimination Well, Las Vegas has done it, by the way, I liked what what the Mikey said about that. Taking the the Chiefs minus one sixty and then taking the Chargers on the division at the plus almost like an interesting arbitrage there. But Mikey, is there

any way you can get screwed and losing both? Sure you could, but look at the chargers remaining schedule right now, I'm asking you you you've obviously looked at it. I'm saying, what are the chances that you can get screwed and

lose both. I think they're going to be significant favorites in all three of their final games, so I mean, if they get upset and the Chiefs around the table, but the Chiefs have a harder schedule closing out, so I think if they win tonight, they were they run the board, and I think there's you know, you put yourself into out of getting middled yourself with the arbitrage.

But I'm pretty confident of that. There's so many of these things too in the NFL right now at this point four games left, right, so there's that with the Chargers, Like this game tonight will determine your entire narrative on both of these teams before all of a sudden, all these people slurp in the Chiefs are gonna have to back down. They're not even a division leader. The same thing with the Colts and the Patriots. All these people slip in the Patriots, that's gonna go away real quick

with guy right here. Yeah, I mean there's lots of these games like that this week, which I think are are fascinating in that respect. Tennessee, by the way, is the biggest conundrum of every team. Tennessee could get a number one seed and have the buy in the first round. They just don't have their players, and they're getting them back every two weeks. It was Julio, it's gonna be a j Brown next week, and it's two weeks after

that's gonna be Derrick Henry. So you don't know if they like, how do you handle a team like that? They suck right now, but they could be on the mountaintop in four weeks. It's very it's it's it's interesting the way that this plays out. Todd, your last one, I wouldn't be shocked by the way if the Steller's got him. You know, the Steers. The Stellers have this way of just sneaking up on people even though they stink. Okay, my third pick, I'm gonna take uh Man. Okay, I'm

gonna just hold my nose and do it. I'm gonna take the Bears plus three and a half. I've watched enough Minnesota games to know that that Minnesota does not want to win a game without it being the last play of the game. So if they get down to the last play of the game and I'm getting three and a half, I'll take it. And you know what, I didn't think the Bears look that bad against the Packers the other day. Defensively, they didn't look real good.

I think, you know, Minnesota Dome team. They're gonna go on the road now to Ugly. You know, obviously there is the divisional games, a huge game. What are the Bears have to play for? You know, they want to mess up the Viking season. And I'm getting three and a half against Kirk Cousins. You know what, There's not thing more fun than betting against Kirk Cousin, and there's nothing more painful than betting on Kirk Cousins. So I'll go against Kirk Cousins and I'll take the Bears plus

the three and a half. Soldier Field has been a house of horrors for our friend Kirk Cousins. Todd, you go back two years ago and that's the game they got beat, like sixteen six where the wide receivers called them out they were open and he didn't throw the ball to him. And then he came out and said, yea, I looked at the tape they were open. Then last years the game where Paulie guaranteed they would win at Solder Field and if they didn't, he'd buy everyone a beer.

That came to what happened and they lost again. They lost again. I mean, they've really struggled at Soldier Field. Have some questions with who's coaching the Bears. Who's coaching them? There's some rumors this morning that the coaches are are going to be out on this. Oh I didn't hear that. So that's even better for me. That's even better for me right there now, I get normal quite sure about that.

You know, do you see the the Jacksonville, Tennessee line sward today Jacksonville is five, you guys, five and a half, just like when he's when Babcock got fired in Toronto with the Maple Police, remember, and you said there'd be a big lift and they were. They want like their next five games, the Jaguars are five and a half

point favorites. That's unbelievable. Please note I didn't I didn't pick the Jags game under this week for the first time in a hundred weeks in a row because of that very reason, and because it's all the way down now to thirty nine and they've just made it so ridiculously low. All right, teaser of the week, we got to put in our teaser of the week. What was what was your last pick? Washington? I'm sorry, Washing was a nine and a half? Okay, Derek to team six

point teaser? Wait wait, now, wait, Mike. On the text you sent me last night, you're you're trying to select the two teams six point teaser that you don't think, well your best one, your best one? Okay, Well, then at that point I'm gonna take I'm gonna take the Chargers and I'm gonna take uh, I'm gonna take the Rams. Wait, so you're taking you're taking the Chargers plus nine and the ram Ms where the Rams across the zero Rams plus one and a half. Okay, trying to chase right.

I have an insurmountable lead at nine and five against you guys at seven and seven. It's insurmountable. Um. I will take as my teaser. Well, I told you I like the Bengals, So I'm gonna make the Bengals plus eight and a half one of the legs because I do like the Bengals, and I'm gonna come back with a little guy with an unknown coach from it from New England, the New England Patriots. Uh, this is a team that I have forty two to one to one and thirty two to one to win the Super Bowl.

I've loved them all year, even though Gilly can never give us credit, can never say they're okay. I can't wait if they ever can turn the corner and Gilly will finally give them credit. Maybe it won't happen. Maybe it won't happen, but maybe it will happen, and maybe he will say I was right. But I think the Patriots um with the ground and pound defense, can keep it within eight and a half against the Colts this week.

Uh you know, I've been a Pats fan for the last seven eight weeks, and I don't see any reason why to stop now. They won the game with three running plays last week. I believe. Let's see what Belichick can do. I had. I had a complete brain lock on this. I know what my number two pick was. I don't know why I said green Bay. Am I allowed to change my play? Because any we can let you change Indianapolis is on my account. So Indianapolis replaces You're so green Bay? You're getting rid of it? Yes,

green Bay's out. Like I don't know why. I like you forgot about So you're taking the Colts minus two and a half? Well minus two? But okay, wait wait wait wait wait wait wait maybe it's minus two. I mean it's okay, I can give you the two. It's there's there's enough too, they'll take eight and a half of the team. Okay, well then right, Oh my god, is unbelievable. He just dropping any opportunity. Gilly, he just goes out. Was my decor the way Mikey was my decorum?

Okay today, did I did I do a good job in decorum? You interrupted early? What who's your other one besides of the the Patriots, what was your other plan? My my teaser is Patriots plus eight, not eight and a half? Yes, plus eight and Bengals plus eight and a half. And and just to fix this other thing here with Gilly, Gilly gets Indie minus two. And now, so then we you haven't done your teaser yet, right, go, No, I have not. I'll do mine now. I will take the

Chargers and the Bengals. Chargers, Bengals L A C two plus nine and the Bengals plus eight and a half. Okay, and then Mike he's the only one left. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I'm gonna take an unconventional teaser here. We we have to change. I'm Jason Todd at for the illusion that we're still in it. I want to take the Panthers up to sixteen and a half. Brent, Brent's back. It's a lot of I'm talked about value there and uh. And then I'm Caroline, who was even playing at the Bills.

At the Bills, Carolina, I have up. We'll give you up to seventeen. How do you like that? And then I want to take the Bears up to ten. I had him, I had one second, I had him plus three and a half and a half. Final two questions, and then we're out. Final two questions each and every megapot concludes with first one. Which is the big favorite,

most likely to lose? Outright? Here are your candidates. Philadelphia UH nine and a half point favorites hosting Washington, Buffalo ten and a half, currently hosting Carolina, Miami nine and a half hosting the Jets, Dallas ten and a half at the Giants, UH Arizona twelve and a half at Detroit, San Francisco nine and nine and a half hosting Atlanta, Tampa Bay eleven hosting New Orleans. Of all those teams, Derek,

which is the most likely to lose? Out right, I'm gonna go down the same path I did with with the pick. I just think Arizona is vulnerable this week. So I think the lines, uh Kevin opportunities screw up this first round draft pick, and uh it's it's right right now. Well, you know what, this would be the year to screw By the way, should they draft a quarterback? No? No, But I mean it's either gonna be what Divoda or

or Hutchinson. At this point, but there's a question is there any value in trading back and going after I mean, I think Picket's gonna just run up the board here. You see, what with quarterbacks, is there a way you can drop down to five and do something and get picked for I don't. You can't. You can't take Picke at number one overall. But I mean, the lines need a quarterback. I just don't know this is the right

time to do it. Lions have two first round picks this year and two first round draft picks next year, so they've got a little bit of they've got a little bit of inventory here. We were talking about this on a numbers game this morning, where like, you know, the quarterbacks, even though they're saying this a terrible quarterback class, you know, once that draft day comes, everyone like, we gotta get a quarterback. It was like five teams that

need one, Detroit being one of them. But you're right, you can't pick them at number one, and so it might be our draft here in Las Vegas. It might be a trade fest this coming April with Detroit. I think that's probably the way they play. Is the window for the Lions to to be a winning team, though within a rookie contract. I mean, are they going to be competitive in the next five years? They need to be to wait a few years to draft a quarters.

I mean, I think they had a pretty good, pretty good draft last year, but I mean the amount of draft picks the team mass is unbelievable. They got three out of the top thirty three and next year's draft they're gonna have They're gonna have two first rounders. I mean, the hall for Stafford was pretty substantial, so um and and I believe also the Lions have the most room on the salary cap from a free agent perspective for

for uh for next year. So I do think if you think, if they think pick it's the guy, then they got to figure out a way to get him, and just figure out a way to get him. Not at one because that will mess up mess up your cap for a long time. But but if they don't think he's the guy, then then yeah, then you go, you go, you go defensive end, you go, you go receiver. And then and then with your second round pick, there's a couple of other choices. You like Dan Campbell. In

the end, it's too early. I I I really enjoy watching the line Lines have actually become a very fun team to watch. What was fun? What was fun about that game last week? Just the way joke, just the way you see Campbell managed the game. Could have played the whole game with ten offense and yeah, but they also had a flu bug. I mean that was not a that was not a good game. Can I can I ask I'm sorry? Can I ask Derek a bookmaking question real quick before we're done? Mikey? Is that okay?

Was that bad decor um? It's it's up to Derry. I don't know what should be the stick of every megapod should be Todd asking one too many questions and the guest little walking. The last time Eric, no, Mikey said, I asked too many questions and that was bad decorum. I'm sorry. The last time Derek talked to Todd was when Todd was yelling at Derek for smoking at Long Bar. Right, that's the last conversation I was yelling. I was yelling at Derek, plaining about him smoking in his own joint.

But okay, well, you know the customers always right, this is America, not right. Okay, So anyways, Derek, here's my question. So circle obviously you guys take all commerce. Um, it's obviously you're looking to brand as the bookmaker to everyone and I and obviously everyone. You've gotten great kudos for that. Here's my question on the in game stuff. You guys seem to be taking a little bit more of a

conservative tack. And you're still doing in game of course, but you're not doing it to the extent some of these other places are doing it. Is there any plans to do that? And what is kind of the philosophy on that, um at circa If you're talking about we're doing it more conservatively. If you're talking about menu, I completely agree. That's what I mean. Yeah, no, menu, menu is no question. I I completely agree with that. As far as they actually take during a game, um, that

that I would contest. But if you're talking men, you I agree, And here's the reason we think. Here's what I mean, Just to be clear, Like here DraftKings, I can bet Marymack against Long Island in game, which is like so obscure and ridiculous. But I have all these games and obviously you guys you know, are not are steering away from that. That's kind of what I mean. Yeah, yeah, so so Here's the deal is is on menu size for in game, we're definitely going to be be less.

But the reason is is we'll take big bets. And although we use some of the various algorithm products that are out there for review you, we manually book every end game. And the reason we do that is so that we have the ability to take you know, twenty

or fifty thou dollars on an end game path. Um. You know, if you have a menu of let's say a hundred college basketball games, you've got all the other games you end up having to use these algorithms, and the way they do that is you do that with very little risk if you limit limit wager size dramatically.

So we think it's better to focus on on the larger and more important games and actually take substantial wagers than to provide someone the ability to bet fifty bucks on a Merrimac on an end game excellent, excellent, and an excellent and an excellent. It's sort of feeds into the whole brand, which is basically, you want to take a big bet, and how are you going to be able to take a big bet if it's you know, South Alabama State against a long view or some nonsense

like that. Right, Yeah, I mean we'll dedicate it. But there's a certain game that comes up will dedicate We'll dedicated resources to make sure we're we're we're watching every every uh, every play, every minute. But but the thing is we uh as much as I trust the formulas of the algorithms, there's a there's a certain element where I think games need to be watched, they need to be felt, um. And there's no algorithm that could determine whether or not the guy's sprained ankle is uh as

a severe, it's moderate, or it's mild. Um. So we'd rather take some substantial action and dedicate the resources, basically the labor hours to be able to watch these So we could take a take a good bet. So basically, you guys are gonna stay with that model, which makes sense obviously based on what you're saying. So you're not gonna say, oh, well, we gotta do what all these other guys are doing. You're gonna just do it your way. Yeah, I mean, I I don't see as higher in an

extra hundred people to watch watch offshoot games. I mean, um, when you just don't have that much action, I'd rather I'd rather take you know, twenties and fifties on end game, on the games people really like to watch. Yeah, interesting appreciate that Derek being open about that. Uh, Mike and Todd, your big favorites most likely lose out right, Mike Eagles, Me too, Eagles hands down. My big favorite to lose

outright is the Niners against the Falcons. And I'd also like to ask Mike if if that question was okay for decor mikey, was that okay? I heard Derek's answer. I didn't hear the question. I'll try to put it together in my mind, okay, and you'll tell me. You tell me later if that was the poor decorum for that question, it didn't seem to be. But did we do a deep Meanwhile, people are taking to Todd's defense on Twitter, saying he's not that bad and Gil and

I exaggerated. One guy said Schwartz had his eye on the door from the beginning of the podcast. I never I never exaggerated. I'm on Todd side. I'm I'm totally on Todd side. I thought it wasn't. Yeah, this is Derek when you know how it is when you're like the pioneer. You take arrows in the and that's what's happened. That's what's happened in your career. But you're just a tough guy. You can handle it. Now I'm no longer on his side. That's all it took, all right? Uh

and then the final question. We live in a bizarro world where we must bet a side on every single one of these games, but you're allowed one free pass. What's the game you want absolutely no part of this week? Right now? I want no part of of this Browns game until we get a little more information on who's playing. So my my, my element just would come down due um who's got the most uncertainty relative to COVID. Yeah, I want no for for a similar reason, no part

of Packers Ravens. I. Yeah, you could answer this any number of ways. I might say Raiders Browns to Todd DoD Yeah, how about the whifty game? What's going down there? They get everybody out? Like you're saying, I have no interest in that one? Okay, all right? You could say Buffalo if you don't know if it's Josh Allen misr

bisus is a whole bunch of game. That's another one. Yeah, all right, Derek, we'd like to say something, you know, just for because we know you have an audience that doesn't necessarily overlap with Visa even though they put it out that the broadcast. Derek and I will be in Iowa tomorrow Council Bluffs. We're flying out there with the team, continue to promote circus sports Iowa Big game right across the river in Omaha, Villanova at Creighton at five o'clock tomorrow.

We're going in and out for a day. So we'll be at um Barley's Bar in Council Downtown, Council Bluffs from around two to thirty to probably around ten o'clock tomorrow night, meeting people and talking about spreading the good news about circus sports. But it's free money. Bet against Creton is free money. They lost to Arizona State. They lost to Let me say that one more time. Creighton lost to Arizona State at home. Do you understand how

insane that is? It's insane. Let me let me ask you this, because I think this is what everybody wants to How when you guys fly to Iowa, you're private jetting to Iowa directly? Is that how that works? Well? It depends at the to be honest, it depends on the situation. We we we loved Alta, we love Southwest, but we gotta do it in and out with eight people, and we gotta get to to an airport that doesn't have a lot of transports. We gotta be back Saturday

morning for football because we've got events here. We gotta be down here Thursday night. So yeah, we started a plane to go in and out. When I throw a council blows party when I fly separately, he puts me on Spirit. Let's just put it down Spirit. Literally, you get there and they're like, would you like a senior What do you mean a seat? I thought I bought a seat to stand. I'm okay. So then he goes

Then he goes on mentioned Pauli. He comes up with this thing called no hyper Bowl, which was my idea, and then he goes Spirit Airlines is no hyper Bowl, speerit airlines. They're the words as any award meant more to anybody than Mikey than the Mitchie's to Mike. Somebody pointed out to me and I wanted to wear this time the first four time MITCHI winner. I would I would have never known. But we're already developing the campaign

for next winner. One for the thumb Halle Hallie one for the thumb in two thousand one Pittsburgh Steeler reference uh. And then the last thing uh is bet Bash two is a thing April can't wait at Spanky on yesterday? What a week? Got a numbers game? Oh h Peter and Spanky Rufus as well. Pretty strong week. Rufus was on again. I thought he was on Friday. Friday, Yeah, Friday,

you count you're counting up the calendar, Mike, mikey. You enjoyed Peter's appearance, right, I thought it was prized because because you're mentored the one person you can't bring him up. You can't whom I bring up? Who am I bringing up? You don't know who? You're bad man? All right, Derek,

thank you appreciate it very much. Pet Bashed two. By the way, gambling networking things happening final four weekend of March Madness organized by Spanky Better is getting together big names in betting, and I likened it to the early days of Sloane. You'll never get a chance to talk to you know, so in such small groups. Two guys

like Roxy Roxborough. UM, it's gonna be awesome. Thank you, Derek, appreciate you, Derrek Stevens who run the Joint Circus Sports UM and we're here at the D. Always come by if you can uh to not only see us at the D on Thursdays, but the greatest sports book in town, the greatest swimming pool in town at Circle Mikey Todd. Thank you for all of us, Thank you for listening. Good luck with all your bets. Week fifteen in the National Football League,