Beating The Book: 2020 NFL MegaPod Week 5 Preview

Um and uh and if they do something with that forfeit cancelation post poeman, if they postpone it, they'll have to postpone the Buffalo Thursday night game next week against Casey. All kinds of ramifications as always on the show. Here with me the vice president of operations at Circus Sports, Mikey, Mike Palm, how you doing. Welcome. It's honor, uh to be back with you and Todd and today's esteem guests. Very exciting. Thank you. Todd wishnev up on the board

from Pittsburgh, p A in his mother's attic. What is that? What is that place? How would you call that? Yeah, that's it's the third floor. It's it's a beautiful man, Cave. I got the everything set up over here, baby. All right, all right, I'm glad to have you, Toddy, thank you you were coming back here? Are you kind of stuck up there? I would I would love to come back, but you know, due to the fact that my finance job got killed by COVID, I need to get a job in Las Vegas in order to come back to

Las Vegas. So any of those listeners out there want to hire somebody with financial background, Uh, I'd be happy to listen, but I don't want to work too hard. Maybe four hours a day. I gotta get my tennis in with Gilly Ice. Well, who could resist that pitch? Uh?

The esteem guest that Mike Palm was talking about UH is with me each and every Thursday morning, and I am privileged to have him and honored to have him every Thursday morning on a numbers game at Visa and the sports betting network Serious x M two oh four, and he is on the podcast. I want to say, Bill, for the first time, since you're quite legendary appearance the first time where you did the whole funnel thing in

Las Vegas, the trash ones. It's Bill Crackenburger. Everybody. Wow, thanks you That was that was That was a great show. We did that, and that's probably a decade ago. Close, I'd say, like seven eight years years. Yeah, Bill, Bill crack We're happy to be on. Thanks guys at Bill crackbad with the came. What's the app? Uh crack wins app? Crack wins app. Thanks for being here. Man. Thanks. You just made a rather large wager at the at the window. Yeah,

but six or six hundred on something. I can't really talk about it yet, Okay, I won't pry. No, it's um. There was a just a good opportunity. I've seen they had a six here on a game. I usually don't ever middle or scalp games. But unbelievably, as I'm sitting here, I'll be honest with you, it's lucky. I had that

money in my pocket. I was like, oh my god, please have like seven grand I went my pocket to squeeze out I had like and it was a perfect because I'm just sitting here with you guys, and and right in front of me I see a a minus seven minus a dollar eleven. So I on the other side, I laid a dollar nine and and and laid a six here for a good opportunity. I just just bet a little middle for myself there, which I never normally do.

An opportunity At Circus Sports, you have plenty of plenty And I didn't even question it when I went up there, I was like thinking how much I can bet? And I was like, you know, I know they're gonna take sixty six on around the game. And it went right went right through circ They will good questions. Was it a pro game? It was. It was a pro game. And as long as you have game, they used to work with it. I mean they should take you know, was it total or aside? Beside? Does the team name

where I'm with Barrizona? Um, this is how much? This is how much? I don't know. No, seriously, I touched a bottle. I'm gonna tell you what it is because it's all a numbers game to me. I see what you did. I wasn't really trying to do that, but it just is. Yeah, it's game four sixty Texans minus six. I bet here at circle, which they moved to six and a half, which they really shouldn't have. No, but I mean I got to have to uh and and

the other side. I I took a I actually took a plus seven reduced juice, and uh, it just looks good for both places too. You've given some action, you're moving something money around and hopefully, uh maybe catch a six or seven on on a game. You know that could happen. First time I ever hung out with Bill, he had about seventy five bets on a Monday Nay football game. Had no idea what he was betting. He's like, I don't know what I'm rooting for. Oh, I can't watch.

I bet so many props. I bet so many props. I'm happy to say that. Uh Circus sports Now, I text met Matt Metcalf they were taking a thousand bucks on the props from me, and uh it takes some big risks too, to be honest with you. I mean, I bet something today a thousand to win thirty thousand on something. So there they're these sports books here. I'm I'm very happy if I have a couple of sports books in town that are taking some props and I don't know what the root for during the games, No,

I don't. I mean I have so many. I'll have like thirty forty bets, I won't even know. In all seriousness, though, Mike, what Bill is talking about is by design. You guys set out to this was your business model, and you're playing it through. Your margins are gonna be thinner than other books that don't play it this way, but that's something that you feel is sustainable, and hopefully we'll be state by state. Well, it's a long play, Gill, you know, and so the if you I don't even think you

can judge it on the first five years results. I think you've got to look at this as an eight to ten year plan with Matt's doing. And there's there's two sides to one. We just have to be recognized. The people know the name. I mean, we're still the new kids on the block. We're you know, we're just what started in June of last year. I mean we're

we're we're babies here. So that's one. And then too, can we deliver what we promise through fair odds, through reasonable limits, and through just tremendous guest service, which Jeff Benson, I mean, I never met someone that is this good, who calls everybody back, speaks to every customer, anybody has a question, He's on Twitter all answering, it's really I don't I have not heard one negative thing. I have

to tell this story. We had the first week a survivor, seventeen people, Seventeen entries didn't submit a pick, seventeen thousand dollars down the Drake Nut's multiple. Not just seventeen people, there was several that had multiple entries that didn't submit the first week. You don't know what happened to them in the summer, you don't know. But that Monday morning,

a gentleman came in and he was very upset. Um I didn't know the time cut off, tried to put it in, it was too late, it's an hour earlier, and this and that. So, I mean, he really just blasted Phil, who was the supervisor here. And then Jeff came out and later Monday afternoon wrote a letter to Derek and I talking about what an asshole he was to these two guys and how they just sat there and patiently listened to him, and how much he respected that.

He wanted he wanted to apologize to everyone and say what for a great job they did. Just a great guy who I've known him for years and he's great with me. I mean, I love relationship I have and I could just text him for things. And and by the way, on Twitter he answers everything everything he is. He is great. Matt Matt caref were hired to me, said I want to bring in this kid from Palace Station.

He said he's the best sports book writer when he was a writer, and he's the best line supervisor in town. And I want him to run my front of house operations. And boy was he right. If I'm not mistaken, I went to less man standing at Palacetation some years ago, or maybe it was the Mayweather maybe it was the

Mayweather fight against Connor McGregor whatever I was. I was at palaestation, which is random, and I think it was Jeff Benson who was there at the time, and from across the room, he's like, go, I'm like, oh, Jeff Benson, he does he Uh, he's friendly even uh from from the time. I remember, Uh, you said seventeen people didn't put in for Survivor before week one? Is it true that someone didn't do it before week four? Also seventeen in week one, every entry was submitted in week two.

I believe five weren't submitted in week three, and then another one last week, so we had six seventy five. Thirty four were eliminated through their picks. Most of them had San Francisco on Sunday night. That was the great bulk of it. And then another person didn't, so we're thirty five. So we're down to six forty now as we had into week five. We ask you this after four weeks, and we'll get to the picks here momentarily.

But this is the last question. Sixty is a lot of people still and I know after the first week we had forty two percent of the entries went by the wayside total on the on the colts, but percent of all the survivor entries lost in week one. Since then, um, people are pretty people pretty been pretty good, or at least it's worked out for everybody. Is there a because if someone goes eighteen weeks and get a million dollars, right,

that's correct? Okay, what happens if there's like ten people who go eighteen weeks, a million gets added, so the total pool becomes to two point three millions. Since we had nineties so it would be two point three nine million. And then, however, many people win eighteen and over put that correct. Want of clear find that alright? Best bets? Oh no, let's do Thursday night football first. I forgot how this works. O god sakes, still with us? I mean I never heard him go that long without talking.

You know, last week I didn't interrupt at all, didn't get any credit for it. I'm trying again not to interrupt. But all I do is take heat from you know, big portly guys from eyewall. What can I do any thoughts on Thursday night football tonight? The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are a mass unit. Uh, We're not gonna here. Here's who's out. O. J Howard Achilles out, Uh, Shady McCoy out, Uh, Godwin stand out wide receiver out, questionable and game time

decisions I believe are Mike Evans. It was the other why that we were talking about who Brady loved last week, Scott Scott Yeah, let me okay. There's other players though, they're all questionable, the whole bunch of Tampa Bay Buccaneers. This line just got hit here recently too, in the last two hours. Again. It's now three flat at a couple of places here in Vegas. Three flat, largely because of all those injuries. We don't know who's playing with Tom,

I'm using this game as one of my best. Oh there it is Todd Wish that what do you gotta say? What are you doing? First of all, I have a question. Are we allowed to use team totals in our picks? No? No, you're not. You're not, so then I am just going to use the Tampa Bay Buccaneers minus the three as my one of my picks. Um. The reason is the Bears just cannot move the football. I don't believe I watched the entire game last week got screwed on an in game bet with Bears plus seven and a half.

Of course they have to get the back door touched down to lose by eight, and uh, I don't see them moving the football even with with Mr Nick Foles that you know, you have to totally discount the three touchdowns at the end of the Atlanta Falcons game because it's the Atlanta Falcons. Gil Me, you, Mike and Bill could be the front four for the Atlanta Falcons and be big. We'd be better than the Atlanta Falcons defense.

They are just horrendous. So the fact that Dick Foles came back and got those three touchdowns at the end of the Falcons game means nothing to me. They went up against a legitimate defensive team in Indianapolis, could not move the ball at all. It was unbelievable. Anybody who watched that game. It was literally like pulling teeth at that football game. So I don't think that the Bears can score enough to stay within three of Tampa. Tampa has got a new added professionalism now that we've got

Tommy Terrific on the club. Bruce Arians and Tommy Terrific professionalism can get you a win by more than three against a team with absolutely zero offensive firepower. Tampap A miners three. Please is that number one for you? Yeah? I'm gonna go number one with that number one on a Thursday night from Toddy And I don't care that

everybody's injured. Everybody was injured last week, and they just moved up and down the field to win the football game after Anthony Lynn gave them the game at that By the way, I haven't been on a numbers game to talk about these incredible grievances. But how in the world do you hand the ball off with less than thirty seconds left in the first half inside your own fifteen. Just take a knee. I always say, why are you even running the ball? So they fumble the football, given

the touchdown, and now they're back in the game. Tampa Bay wins the games. Just to be accurate, forty seven seconds left in the first half, Tampa Bay has one time out, so yes, the Chargers can run it out up to seven. I have timp I have Tampa Bay as a survivor. Pick. I am dead in the water and I'm thinking myself, this is over. Why I gave it a good run for three entire weeks and Anthony

Lynn came to the rescue. Anthony Lynn who runs a run option and on the five yard line with forty seven seconds left, justin Herman tries to hand it off to Joshua Kelly but hits him in the chest. Loose ball, bucks ball. Three plays later, touchdown into the break, and we know what happens. All of a sudden, I heard the Rocky music for my for my survivor. Pick Todd's right, dumbast player of the week, you do it. It's not just him. You watch all these coaches running the ball

with like no type. They're not they know they're not going to get a field goal. They they're just running the ball because oh, we'll just run the ball. See what happens. It's nothing good can happen. Just take an effing knee and go to the locker room. How hard is that? As our buddy, he says, Uh, why is it that Anthony Lynn is never mentioned alongside Bill O'Brien who got fired as the coach and gym of the Texans, alongside Adam Gaze, alongside Matt Patricia. Why is Anthony Lynn

not in that group? Haven't we seen enough sort of rhetorical but I think everybody thinks we have, right, Yes, yes, we've seen us. We've seen What about all the Philip Rivers games inside the ten yard line endless football games? That was also Philip Rivers too, right? How about the end of the Broncos game where all you have to do is fall on the guy? But you know what I mean, they let nine seconds left last year and

let him go. I mean, this is week after week that Broncos, the Broncos Chargers en when it was third down in plus territory and Rivers just threw it into the dirt. Cost me a zillion dollars to off all that game last year. The thing is, look, I mean, Anthony Lynn is really bad. I mean we counted how many ways did he lose the game against Kansas City in Week two? All those people survived, surve we would have knocked out another half of the field with the

Chiefs that week. Anthony Lynn cannot run a read option when he can take it, not like he ran a lead or an off tackle plate. No, a read option where you have to stick it in the chest. Do you leave it there? Do you pull it out? With a rookie quarterback handing the ball well to knee, all you need to do is take a knee. Even if they had two time outs, you could have killed enough time eleven seconds and three plays to punt to two

d and a a half. Here's the thing, Dean Spano should have been waiting for him at the tunnel, not in the locker room. He should have been waiting for him at the tunnel to dismiss him. But it's not going to happen. And Gil, you asked the question, and the reason is it's because Anthony Lynn is a great man. Anthony Lynne does all this charitable work. He's good for the community, and I think that buys him a lot

of leeway. But he's invite him to Thanksgiving, Mike, I'll invite him to Thanksgiving and I'll give him the seat of honor. I'll give him this number one seat. But I don't want him calling plays inside the one minute left. He's been really really bad at managing games, really really bad. Horrible Bill. What's your number one best bet? Wow? This is. You know, it's really tough for me to give out number ones in the NFL, but I am going to

do it here. I think, by the way, and this from a guy who's been getting one and two is in the Megapod. I was three and two in the continents, but I can't get it done in the megapod. I hate this week of spreads eight. You know what, You're right. I had much more confidence last week when I was betting overs on Monday mornings and they were I was getting two and three point movements. Um. I actually um talked about this this morning, and this game is still

obtainable at this line. The that's Arizona under forty seven. It's still there. So I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna put my money up there and they they they moved at the beginning and a little bit, but now it came back a little bit. So it's hanging around forty seven here and even here at circle forty seven all over town. So yeah, I like the under in the in the Jets Arizona game. Um, you know, it's funny. But since we came on air, there was a little bit of

action here on Arizona. It's now minus seven and a half and a couple of spots minus eight at one spot, minus seven, minus fifty minus seven, minus twenty minus seven minus twenty right here at circle. So we'll see what's happened. I'm looking looking for a game maybe like uh, I don't know, you know, the Jets actually got the Jets actually got a little bit. It took a little bit of mo I'm sorry, Arizona took a little bit of money here. On the favorite to sorts, it's very tough

for me to give out a favorite and under. It's like a you know, a non correlated parlor. I'm more like, I like doing favorite over or dog and under. But let's just stick with the under here under forty seven on the Jets game and under forty seven just repeat what we said on a numbers game this morning on Visa. Not because of the quarterback change with the Jets from Darnald to Flacco. No, did not know that that. I think that was announcement yesterday yesterday pretty much. You know

this was this was bet on Monday. So yeah, by the way, we gave Todd a three on Tampa Bay. Are you see consensus three across the board? Um Tampa Bay now went to minus three, minus twenty almost everywhere, minus three flat at south Point, Westgate, minus Dreams, Circus, minus Drew, minus twenty. So uh yeah, we'll give him the three we had three. Mikey, Well, I'm gonna go

back to fading the team I faded last week. I still don't think that the public ah can can change their mindset on this team because they're such a public team. But the Dallas Cowboys are just got awful and they really shouldn't be laying points too many teams at all in this They let alone nine and a half points to to a division rival in the late game on Sunday. Look, the Giants were competitive against the Rams, and we're still

in that game with a chance to really force overtime. Late, and the Giants defense did a decent job going into Sofi and slowing down that Rams attack, which Buffalo couldn't stop at all in the second half a week before. Now, no one would argue the Giants have a good defense, as the Buffalo Bills do, but they're respectable enough to slow teams down and kick enough field goals and get

enough punts. This Dallas defense is going to give up thirty five points every game, and you can run on them, all right, you can run on them, which will give Daniel Jones more time to throw the ball off of play action. I just think nine and a half is way too much here. I think this is a one score game, and it wouldn't shock me if the Giants went into Dallas and beat them. So the New York Giants are my best bet, is my That is my

number two. I like the same reason. My Dallas cowboy fan friend, uh, who I've known since childhood, says to me because I had said, I said, listen, dude, you're gonna win the division and Dallas and Washington half game behind one, two and one Eagles, and he says, he goes, listen, don't don't say that to me. Anymore. They're the worst defense in the NFL in the last ten years, and a lot of it is because of injuries. But the injuries are there, and he says it is they are

a sieve, a complete sief. So he'd be he'd agree with your pick right there. It's number two for me, number one for me, and I'm taking the Cincinnati Bengals getting all those point against the Baltimore Ravens uh and it and it's it's nothing else other than for me, the fact that Joe Burrow has just impressed me tremendously. He seems to have a thing going with Tee Higgins. Uh. Joe Mixon, who didn't look like he was going to play at all last week, ends up playing in Cincinnati's

win against Jacksonville, absolutely filled up the box score. And I think Baltimore that after that Kansas City game, I think there's a lot of trouble with that offense, and Lamar Jackson is now publicly talking about how he's frustrated with the offense. Baltimore in past years would take a game like this and it would be a runout. They would be front runners, They run up the score and it would be a huge blowout. But I don't think so. I think Joe Burrow is going to be a backdoor

covering machine this year. And I'm getting twelve and a half or thirteen. That's why it's it's actually my number two. I had it. Give me thirteen on if they're getting they're getting fourteen against your your Redskins last week, that they're only getting thirteen against cincinnais Cincinnai is more than one point better than Washington's right, that's absolutely right. Only getting thirteen at home, by the way, not that that is the same thing that it was in past years.

But thirteen give me the Bungles as my number. They have fans there or no, I don't. In Baltimore, I've lost track. I've lost track. Who's empty? Yeah, like ten thousand fans or whatever it may be. Miami just got cleared to have full capacity, full capacity, but instead they're saying we're just gonna put thirty We're just gonna put a fraction of it. Still, but if they wanted to, they could fillip Stadium. Now, interesting, Dallas has had the

most in terms of percentage. Dallas had twenty six thousand people nose capacity. What about so is Las Vegas for the year of the Raiders done for the year with fans, Yes, that that is the whole fans, So it can't change like the Miami game. That like Miami change, that can't change. Okay, kind of unfair. Mark Davis said that though he said, no fans, but you can pay five hundred dollars to tailgate in the in the parking lot at the Las

Vegas game. They're charging they were selling tickets for something some ungodly amount of money, like four or five hundred dollars to be in the parking lot at the Allegiance State And you can't move. You can't move outside the the space of your car, right outside the width of your car. You can't. Well, there's all these rules for social distancing, and like Todd said, it's some god, it's like four and it does not include lap dances zero

lap without including Billy. What's your number? Two? That was it? It was the Bengals. Alright, we're gonna be on the same thing there. I usually don't go with NFL sides here. It's a very rare thing I ever talked about. Any given Sunday, anything can happen. But I think, uh, I

like that borrow confidence. And and also after what I've seen last week, I've seen no. I think Washington came back last last couple of minutes and to get the get back to our cover there, right, I think Uh And like like you said, um, there could be a little bit of talk going on there with the Baltimore. Like I said, I'm on don Best here and and none of the sports books have this game up except for uh Will Hill, South Point stations. So and I

believe even here I looked on this. You know, if I click on the Urgent, which is the urgent information, it's still telling me Lamar Jackson's questionable because of his knee. Well so, all right, by the way, Washington for those who got a bad number on Baltimore, Washington ends up pushing last week Baltimore and John Harbaugh decided, you know what, just as a tribute to r G three UH and his famous Rookie of the Year year back in twelve, we're gonna put him in this game at FedEx Field.

He comes in and promptly throws a deep pick which the Redskins then matriculated the ball down the field and I got it to fourteen. Last week. You got to get the good number. You gotta get the good number. By the way, the reason I went three and two in the contest, let's be honest, because they had you guys had Baltimore minus twelve and a half. And then there was the other one that I had that was

also the favorable. We had some interesting contest numbers. Did the lines didn't break the way that I think they anticipated, and we were off from from the actual game lines by one and a half two points. Tampa Bay was the other one. You had six and a half, yes, and it went the other way. It went over seven in all the spots. What's the number of points you're getting with the Bengals. Oh wow, that's terrific. You know what, I'm gonna take an over here. What do we get

for Dallas? I said nine and a half. But what do you have bill on the total on the Colts Browns game? Forty six solid. I'm gonna go over. That's my second best bet here. I think that. And one of the things about Dallas, you know this kid eber Floss, that's the defensive coordinator for the He was on that Dallas staff for a long time as a defensive coach, but they never would promote him. The coordinator McCarthy comes in,

he goes and goes old school with Nolan. I mean, they have nobody but themselves to blame why their defense is so bad? What a retread Nolan is? Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. No offense of the family. No, but it's stop it. We can invite him for Thanksgiving to put him right next to Anthony. So so I just think, uh, they've done a good job in the last few weeks, the Colts. They've shut down the Vikings, they shut down the Bears. I think this Cleveland team is too talented,

all right. I think that's you saw Cleveland Dallas go over eight point this last week. They're very versatile team. They can run the football, which makes Baker may feel a much better quarterback. And I don't think they're you know, I think their defense has talent. But I still think the Colts are gonna be able. To let's face, at forty six now is a low total in the NFL. If you're not, if you're not at fifty or fifty one, that looks like that. Forty six is the old? Is

the old? Like thirty nine right now? I mean, that's how much these totals have gone. The average this week is north. I mean, it's incredible. You know, the only team that's gone on every under every week. And and you could have argued the other way because the number came down last week, that fifty one and a half. But the Cardinals to your play to the under with the gent they're the only team that have gone under every week so far. I think this game has a

lot of points in it. I think Phil Philip Rivers will throw touchdowns and interceptions, and so will Baker Mayfield. And I just thought forty six came back off. Although so my second best bet is Colts Browns over looking on the at the status of check the stat Colts linebacker Darius Leonard to see where his status is right now because he was questionable headed out of last week. And there goes the internet. Let's see here where we

got on Darius Leonard. Um. All right, while we're doing that, Todd, what's your number two pick? Okay, I just want to preface my other call, if you guys can I mean, I'm gonna in for the for the for our purposes, I have Tampa Bay minus through. But I really would love to bet the Bears team total under rather than Tampa Bay, just so you know that that's what I would bet if I, you know, if I was really betting this for real. And what's that? What's that number,

todd just for the record, for posterity. What what is the Bears team total? I think it's around twenty and a half? Okay, thank you. Darius Letter. By the way, did not practice yesterday, could still miss the game. Uh. My second pick is going to be the uh Jags Texans under. Now. I know that this is an over league, and I got burned saying what I what I said last week that this overs cannot continue forever. And I guarantee you there's going to be a shift and we're

gonna start seeing unders. In fact, late in last week's action, we started seeing a ton of unders in the four o'clock games and then the Sunday night Monday night games. Um, I think the numbers are gonna get over inflated to you know, to the upside. Now, obviously the averages are gonna be higher because there are so many more points being scored. But I mean the Jacksonville Jaguars against Houston

fifty four that's just a lot of points. I mean, I understand when you're gonna put up these teams like the Falcons, you know, a crazy numbers Seattle, all a crazy numbers. But fifty four for the Jaguars in Houston, I don't know. That just sounds too high to me. Um, I'm gonna go under in Jacksonville, Houston. Both of these teams offenses have not, you know, been absolute world beaters, and fifty four is just I mean, I know fifty four is the old forty eight, but still it's just

really high. So I'm gonna go with under in uh, fifty four in Jacksonville, Houston. And I think there's gonna be a shift back the other way. I think we've seen all these overs and it's gonna get over inflated to one side and then you're gonna see tons of unders later in the season Bill number three, And uh, I agree with Todd on that though. We talked about

that this morning on on your show. Um, every total this week, you know, we were betting me and a couple other guys were betting overs on on Monday morning, early Monday mornings, and that didn't happen this week, and every total, uh, we had that was over inflated two to three points. We actually said that the one game was overinflated about four points was the Seattle Games. So, which by the way, now is fifty seven fifty six and a half here at circle. It was fifty eight

on opener. So I agree, I think there's a return to the meeting here. I think they think that will happen. And what we also talked about was there's a direct correlation. Right. This is an edict from above the NFL's officials. The NFL telling officials do not call holding penalties unless it's obvious, unless it has a direct impact on plays. So you are not getting any of the oh, I think that's a hold. You know, I could call this every play

if I wanted to. I feel like throwing a flag holding calls, and so with holding way down the first four weeks of the season, we're seeing the offense. And so that's why drink the drive. You can't kill the drive with a holding pen Let's go on to play number three, game four seventy seven, which is the Monday night game. Uh, there there's still fifty ones who're a group hit under fifty two fifty one being the more key number. A lot of different numbers, a lot of

different numbers can play out to this number. Uh, fifty one, and it's fifty one here at Circle. I am going to go with the under there on that Monday night game under Chargers and New Orleans. All right, Mike number three, same game, same game. What do you have as the point spread? Uh? Here here is seven and a half. However, there's other places out of eight, what's the consensus? Consensus is seven and a half. I'm taking the points on

Monday night. Despite Anthony lynn Um, I'm still very impressed with this Charger's team. And I think this team is a playoff team. I really, I really do. I think they're that good. I think they Listen, they've had the deepest roster in football for years now. Okay, they just they've underachieved. But I'm very impressed with Justin Herbert and look at they have talent. And the bottom line here is Breeze cannot throw the ball outside the numbers, and

he can't throw the ball twenty yards down there. His accuracy is gone there, his accuracy is really gone. Now. He benefited from playing alliance team that can only play the first ten minutes of every game, and then they absolutely stop uh and and and so throughout the last three quarters that game, he was able to move the ball pretty well. I I agree with with Bill. I think this is a lower scoring and a tighter game. And I'll take over a touchdown if I can get it.

So plus seven and half on the Chargers Monday Night charges plus seven half. I see as many eights as I do seven and a half, do you, Bill um Well? I mean in town here at least he's seven and a half circle William Hill, Westgate, South Point stations. It's fair. I feel very comfable having Baill, Crack and Burger give the not. I mean, that's fair. It's not going to be shaded like what Todd does back there. By the way, Mikey, I'm Chargers cannot make the playoffs. There's too many teams

in the a f C with ridiculously good records. Even with seven teams going to the playoffs, Chargers will not make the playoffs. Now I'm gonna you can tell me how that like my Vikings pick last year with from that famous episode with Lombardi. But yeah, this is this is another example of it. Everywhere. And by the way, Michael Lombardi had a tremendous amount of energy yesterday. I thought he was fantastic in your show. He did, he's

he's up for it. He didn't have to worry about other elements, other elements, Todd, Mike, you know, for a guy who's supposedly my friend, I'll tell you really take a lot of shots. I'll tell you. I'll tell you Bmbardia and not everything's about you. Todd. Okay, thanks that we got We got criticized because we have an inside joke that we don't explain to people. This is what

we can't explain. We went not okay Todd number three, Okay, now I just give us soliloquy about overs and unders and they're going to be coming back and and Crack agrees, you know, obviously because he's a smart guy. And uh, with all that being said, there are teams that you will not be able to make a total high enough for. One of those football teams, if you want to call it a football team, is the Atlanta Falcons. This is a team on defense. And I know you guys said

Dallas is the worst defense you've ever seen. The Atlanta Falcons are right with them. Okay, these are Division three defensive football teams. This is North Dakota State. I don't know, Appalachian State. This is I don't know Incarnate Word. Does Incarnate Word have a football team? If they did, this would be the team defense, the Incarnate Word defense, which would be just pray to Jesus that they can't put in the end zone because Atlanta Falcons cannot stop anything,

absolutely nothing, and they're gonna keep giving up points. I don't care how high they make the number. Teddy two gloves has shown that he's got a little offensive you know, punch to him. I think Caroline is going to be able to move the football at will. We've seen already the Atlanta Falcons when they're home, when they're on the turf, when they're running around with all those crazy receivers, Mattie Ice can get you the back door touchdowns that you

need to make an over happen. Give me the over. I like over fifty four or is it fifty four and a half? Uh circus, there you go, fifty four. Let's see what I got here. But Westgates fifty four and a half. I will tell you I got fifty four and a half. Okay, you know what, I'll take fifty four and a half anyways, because like I said, this game is going I think it's going way over. I think at lantas the kind of team that no matter how high you make it, it's gonna be very

hard for it to go under. The team just scores and it cannot stop anything. Alright, Uh, number three for me, I already have the Bengals. If you recall plus thirteen, I got the h the Giants plus nine and a half. It's a three dog day for me. Uh, I'm gonna do what I've been doing so far, mixed results, but I am taking as my number three pick the Miami Dolphins. Hit it Todd, Miami Dolphins, Miami Dolphins. Gill took him last weekend god burn. This week will be the same.

This week will be the same. Gilly doesn't know when it's time to drop the Dolphins. Wow, Todd wish that everybody hitting the high? F uh bill, aren't you glad you came? Yeah? It was that spontaneous or that he ever pared every time? I well, that was pretty spontaneous. The lyrics were what can also do? Case you in the Sunshine Kid, if our Sundance kid or whatever, the Sunshine band, the Sunshine get down tonight. Keep it come in, Gilly, keep it come in, Gilly. Give us those no covers,

Give us those no covers. We want more, no cover to say you. I have stech to win the French Open, So nothing bothers me right now, nothing about run. Let me tell you, Moses didn't have the red Sea part like she has in this French Open. Well, let's be honest. She had a horrific first round draw and she crushed the number one seed, so not exactly well, she had to do that, Yeah, I give you that. Other than that, how did you enjoy the play, Mrs Lincoln? But it did open up for her, It did open up. You

didn't even thank me for not mushing you. Oh god, I shouldn't have said that. Up here we go? Are you betting her in the final time? I'm staying away from tennis because I'm not mushing Gil. I'm sorry I brought it up just in his presence. All right, here's the deal. Um, I'm taking the Dolphins and Todd is right. I got crushed. We were talking about the Chargers at the end of the first half against the Bucks. The Miami Dolphins kicked a field goal because that's what they

do sometimes. Uh. To go down a point against the Seattle Seahawks late baby, late in the first half, and thought that they had left so little time on the clock that they were going to go into the locker room down a point. The Seattle Seahawks headsets stopped working and Russell Wilson was on his own. God helped me because seconds later seventeen to nine. Unbelievable turn of events at the end of the first half of that game. And quite frankly, that was the difference in a cover

and not a cover. Uh. Ryan Fitzpatrick did his thing like he always does, right. I think Ryan's Fitzpatrick gets and I get this sense with him as opposed to like other running quarterbacks. The other running quarterbacks are typically designed plays or they're like, well, I'm gonna run because it's the last resort. Uh. Patrick Mahomes, for instance, does that. Ryan Fitzpatrick when he runs, you get the sense he's like, you know what, this is the best play we got.

I'm gonna run. And I think Ryan Fitzpatrick, as long as two is not being announced and by the way, how nervous are they in Miami that Justin Herbert is as good? But as long as two is not announced, Ryan Fitzpatrick's you're starting quarterback. They're going up against the banged up San Francisco team that may get Jimmy Garoppolo back.

I'm not sure how much that matters. May, yeah, he should be back there, hoping that it will be Jimmy Garoppolo, but San Francisco still has the big injuries on defense. You're giving me nine. I'll take my chances with the back door and Ryan Fitzpatrick Miami pick number three. All right, round of applause, Okay, right, all right, Yeah, that's a big crowd here. By the way, we're all three and one on our teasers. So last year we couldn't hit a teaser. This year we're hitting them all. Yeah, we're

hitting them all. Let's get the teasers. Your favorite to team. Six points teaser of the week, Billy, Okay, I didn't know if it was six or seven, So six six points. We're gonna change this around a little bit. That's okay, let's um. Oh boy, you put it in the text. Oh you did. I thought it was Actually I had I was using a seven point us all right, that's okay, that's okay. I will use Seattle for seventies si Seattle bringing them down to minus one, and then I am

going to change. So I'm gonna use um, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh minus one. There's sevens everywhere in town here, so yeah, Stanford. Yeah, it's it's the I'm only gonna be. But by the way, it's funny. I've I've had three teasers this year and I'm three. I have four teasers on three and one. Last week was my first losing teaser, so uh, yeah, it is. It's the standard ones going down through the seven and going down through you. Usually I like to do like a seven and a half, eight and a

half that and those those are Stanford. Yeah, yeah, nine and a half actually on the seven point teasers, um mathematically the best one that I've that I've read about. So but anyway, for this show, for this six point teaser, yeah, let's stick. I think Pittsburgh. I think Pittsburgh probably won't of them. Need to think Pittsburgh's gonna maybe do a number on Philly. Uh well, well you know, we'll see, we'll see. Uh. It's interesting like any given Sunday, anything

can happen. So um Philly last week definitely, uh, you know they they I guess they deserved to win. But I thought, I thought, I thought that San fran uh should have called that was my teaser leg, by the way, that I lost last week? Was the San franco a. Twenty one of twenty six teaser legs on sides hit last week in the National Football League, some miraculously, like the Dolphins, like the Bears, if I'm not mistaken, the Bears. Yeah, um so those worked out? Was that the Bears that

hit miraculously last week? They always the always Yeah. The only five that did not hit, the only five teaser legs on sides that did not hit last this week were I'll give them to you all right here, Uh Texans, Niners, Cowboys, Jets, and Cardinals. Texans, Niners, Cowboys, Jets and Cardinals Niners in their bill Sorry yeah no, no, no, Niners were Mikey. Yeah,

I'm with Bill on the Seahawks. And then the second leg is a little tougher for me because I'm debating two road teams to tease down, Um, whether I want to tease down right, because there's two way to play. There's two ways to play this, right, Yeah. I either want to tease down the Rams or the car and I'm gonna tea I think the Jets are just so bad. I'm gonna tease the Cardinals down to one. So Seahawks Cardinals for me, Seahawks Cardinals, Todd, I am going to

go with the New Orleans Saints. I know Drew Brees can't throw four yards. Drew Brees, thanks, Drew Brees is terrible. Drew Brees is the worst of all time. He's not that bad. And Herbert is not that great. Let's all calm down. Everybody's anointing these rookie quarterbacks. Herbert is not

that great. He lost that game in the second half. Okay, So give me the New Orleans Saints at home minus the two, and then I'll just drop the Rams down the one and a half because you know what, the Rams, you can't trust them with that goth idiot and uh but the defensive line is fearsome. They almost killed Danny

Dimes last week. And I want a nice little under on the team total in game last week with the under in the Giants because the Rams defensive front is just ferocious, and I see them getting to Kyle Allen. Is that really? Who's the quarterback now, Kyle Alan Gil Imagine,

imagine if it were Dwayne Haskins against that defensive front. UH. The Washington football team making the change with Todd's referring to going from Dwayne Haskins, who they picked fifteen in the NFL draft UH in twenty nineteen NFL Draft fifteenth. At least the Skins at that time did not trade up for Dwayne Haskins, which is a small silver lining. But Ron Rivera, who was not head coach of the team when they football team drafted him. It's his way of saying, I want no part of this kid anymore.

He's third string. Kyle Allen, who he imported from Carolina, is the starter in this game against the Rams, and perhaps even more frightening lye Alex Smith is your backup. And I have said this Alex Smith. If Alex Smith throws one forward pass in the NFL this year, and I don't care if it goes right into the dirt, he should be the comeback player of the Year. Have you seen what happened to his leg? You got I

lost that, I lost that game. I remember specifically because I could have taken the points instead, I got greedy and went for the money line. He remembered he almost lost his leg. The fact that he is getting that, he is stepping back on an NFL field is I If I were his friend, I would give him a hug and be like, what are you doing? Man? You got millions? Oh it was way worse. It's the worst football injury I've ever seen in my life. He got You know that that he is surgery got it. There

was an infection and things went terribly for him. Anyway, he's the second string quarterback though, Uh it will be kind. Are they saying he can actually play? Yeah, listen, if he's if he's suited up, he's gonna play. If something happens to Kyle Allen, why would you play him instead of Kyle Allen? We know Kyle on can't play. Uh, Kyle Allen had his moments before throwing a thousand picks. But anyway, that's Ron, that's Ron Rivera's guy from Carolina.

So anyway, he's gonna have a long leash. Uh. My two teams six point teaser is the Arizona Cardinals. Like Mikey, I don't care the Jets aren't. The Jets should not beat the Cardinals. And then my other one is actually the Pittsburgh Steelers, who I'm having teased down against Philadelphia. I think that defense for the Steelers ought to be

able to secure the victory. Um. By the way, Pittsburgh also with a week off, a week off because they were scheduled to play the Tennessee Titans last week, and as Bill and I talked about on the show this morning, Big Ben vocal about the fact that is like, you know, we didn't want our buy week war. That sucks for us. There are no fault of our own that we have.

We had to take a bye week four instead of later in the season when it would be a more you know, effective by when we have typically more injuries. I paraphrasing, but that's obviously what he was driving at. Bill, you had you and I had an interesting exchange this morning from Montreal. Max. Then I think we should share with everybody think about this COVID thing, and we always come up with one of these on the megapod every week. You want to go and Sarris should, I say, I'll

just read it if you want. Yeah, please. I just did some research with Westgate, and if that Bills Titans games is ruled a forfeit by the NFL, it will avoid the Bills and Titan season win bets since the game wasn't actually played over, which really screws over the Bills fans, who will have a five and old team

and we'll get a refund. Imagine that. Imagine they'll have a well the floor it Oh right, they'll be four it Oh and yes they would, right, they would get the five and oh from that's right, but season win totals would be avoided. Right, Always check the rules of your words books. So imagine you're you're sitting there innocently with the Bills season ticket win, you know, season win ticket over. You're like, I'm golden, No, you're not not this year. This is why it's so dangerous to bed

any long term future stuff. We knew it. We said it. I said it a thousand times on the Numbers game. By the way, it took a lot of incoming for all the stuff I said on the radio about COVID in the NFL, COVID in college football, and there was always two or three guys on Twitter you're rooting for the virus sports chocolate, Nancy Pelosi chocolate in their basement or their attic like Todd, Yeah, sorry, sorry, And you know what I am with Gil on this? Oh no, no, no,

I don't know. I wasn't meaning you purpose I said, guys that are like you just mean and you're in the demographic of the fringe and your mother's attic in the didn't say that? Is that? Are you your mom's attic? Oh? Wow, No, tot is Todd is with me on all? My mom's seventy seven years old. You know it's a it's a COVID time. You know that, it's you know what, what I'm gonna just like walk away from the real reason is a sense this year and they all have to

return to where they're born to be counted. Oh I didn't. I didn't know that. Well, I did my senses in uh in uh California, Nevada and California won't leave me alone. Bit hey, I was like, I can't account it twice right by the by the way, you should also in

pencil Pittsburgh. The other big reason that I came back was in the beginning, Nevada was pretty high in cases, and the healthcare system in Nevada is not good, and the situation in Pittsburgh is much better, especially for someone who's a fat so and diabetes, much better hospitals there. You're right exactly, And so I was a little nervous what if I got COVID. I'm a perfect demographic to

have major, major problems. Now it turns out I lose forty five pounds playing tennis every day, so I'm not as big a fat so, but I still have diabete these so you know, I've got to be careful. Wilford Brimley says, it's pronounced diabetes. We're diabetes whatever, Todd, have you considered a new career as a as a fitness coach?

And I'm serious about this to target. It's funny you said that, Mike, because if you saw those pictures that I showed on action when I was too ten, I actually had a the license to be a physical uh physical trainer in l A for a little while. I didn't really like it though, because the people don't really want to do what it takes to get the actual you know, benefits. You really have to do drastic things

to get drastic results. And it's just aggravating as how when you show people what to do and they just can't do it. So I've actually been down that road before, Mike. But thank you, uh all of that to say, we were right about everything we said in the off season, and even though we took incoming everything is bearing out sadly we didn't, you know, we just and it's not about it's it's not about whether we were right or wrong. It's about we were right about how the leagues would

handle it. That's the common and about foreseeable risk and betting Mark. That's right, That's all we're talking about. But the idea that everybody thinks that you were somehow rooting against sports, not every just two or three guys. But I'm just saying, whoever these idiots are thinking somehow, because you're telling the truth about what may or may not happen, somehow you're negative against sports. I mean, we love sports? Are you kidding me? That's what I used to say,

Like you're onto me, I don't love sports? Yeah, you figured me out all this. Moss did that p s A about wearing masks come to Vegas, everyone safe. He lost four thousand Twitter followers It's unbelievable because he's talked about wearing the mask. He wore a mask. Incredible. By the way, are you on the Marlins like I am this morning? I am six of Sanchez are retiring the Braves. One that was like two minute first year, that was quick.

Have the red score yet they still I'm thinking about we were doing this last week and the red still scored. All right, So where are we we're at? We're at the survivor pit, Oh Todd, what are the rules for the survivor pick again? Well, I will tell you a little bit about the survivor. The number one rule is that I will go a teen and O and because I'm not in a contest, not win any money because God hates me. So you should just keep following my picks.

I have now used four teams. They have all one Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Cleveland in Seattle. I've used those four teams and I now will go with New Orleans to beat the Herbert the Great Anthony Lynn led Chargers as my fifth survivor pick and Gil, you have used Tennessee, Cleveland, New England, and Tampa Bay and the second entry that you still have a live and who will you be using listen? I I wavered on this last week, but I stuck with my Tampa Bay pick on this show.

I am, I am just if I'm being honest, I'm still torn, and I'll tell you why. Pittsburgh is who I kind of want to use. But Pittsburgh is also a Thanksgiving team, so I don't want to use them because Circle of Course and all their wisdom made Thanksgiving its own week, which is a great quirk to their survivor. So I I that's I'm hesitant to use Pittsburgh because of that. Seattle scares me a little with their defense,

so I'm hesitant on that to U Seattle. The Rams scare me a little bit because of what they did against the Giants last weekend. Now it's Kyle Allen and not Dwayne Haskins, and the Redskins do have a good defensive front, so that scares me. I may end up playing the Arizona Cardinals. I think that you can put me down for that if somehow I don't end up picking that on on this you know this weekend. Don't hate on me, but I think it's gonna be Arizona.

Will you tweet it out? Gil after you make your Survivor pick, if it's not Arizona, yes, I will do that. So I think it's Arizona. And I'm interesting you're considering three teams from the same division, the NFC West, right, because because it's tough to use them in division, won't use them against other division folks, because it's a solid division. That's right. San Francisco, by the way, was the thought too, But I actually Miami could do some damage there. So

that's my pick. Any Survivor stuff, No, I am not. I am not. There's a lot of strategy involved, especially with that the circle one with the Thanksgiving like I would think Pittsburgh. But now that you say that, that's right, you want to save them even though they play Baltimore. But I just want to have teams available to me, you know, Baltimore Thanksgiving. So let's go to Mike. I'm out.

It's I was never in and and I got beat on the show when I did it in week two or whatever it was, So I think, whatever, Todd, whatever, it's not important. That's not what's not important, Todd. That's not important. The point is I'm not participating. I wasn't go ahead, I tell you Perk Cousins is not going to be in the Hall of Fame. Will you also hate me for later? No? No, because that's a true statement. Bill. How much are you regretting coming down here? No? This

is fun. I actually enjoy this. Oh yeah I am. I'm I'm looking forward to so glad to see Bill. I haven't seen Bill in in in months, and I used to hang out with them all the time. You used to hang out, Yeah, we used to. We took Todd off the board or something. Well, I think some of the paying customers objected to looking at todd On on the big screen because I'm so skinny, Mike, because I'm so skinny, and they're like, Wow, that guy's really

good looking. I think the specific complaint was they don't like cork. They're like, could you put the Braves Marlin's game away? You're like, we have it on ted screens? How about eleven? So Todd, you're not even coming in for the circle opening. I didn't even get an invitation. I got to be honest with you, I didn't get an invitation. Oh wait a minute, I don't. I don't know. But well, because Mike, Mike, Mike bombs the kind of guy who's like, I really love you, You're my greatest friend,

and you're such a great guy. As circus opening, I don't know your name. Sorry, goodbye. Well if you listen. If I get an invitation, I'll be talking to Mike here after, and I would hope to get one. I will be happy to pay for your air fare if you would like to come back in Wow off let an offer by by Mr Crack. Let me just tell you something about Crack that drop crack CODs of getting an invitation. Crack went from minus one plus plus to seventy just like that offer recented you know who did

get an invitation? E good. He's not coming to talk to the Golden Ticket under ten dollar book Mystery of Mark downstairs in the office. It may do we have your address? Probably not, We might not have your ad press. Yes, I was gonna say again, I'm gonna say the invitation alone is worth this worth everything. He's calling me tomorrow and to talk about it. But it's gonna be hard for him to come. Yeah, because of his parents. Yeah, he's the whole situation. I think the book was enough

for him. Yeah, being thought of and getting the book was enough. He doesn't have to. He doesn't have to be absolutely You're going to be my first fitness client, and I'm to tell you that you got to stop drinking those sugar drinks that they keep bringing to you. Can you see us? You can't see us, We can't see you. How many do you know any calories is in that stupid sugar drink? Mike, none of this fifteen minutes and and quitting because I did too many drop shots.

You last time we played, he quit after fifteen minutes because I did too many dropshots. He's like, I can't handle it anymore. I gotta go home. That dropshot as well? Is what pop my achilles? I don't have that same recollection. It could have been, it could have been close to that. But remember in A hundred and seventeen degrees I played an hour with e Oh. Yes, the pace of play wasn't up to Todd, uh Drivin uh and uh Jason, who are running stuff. They've they've made Todd into Ted Copple.

You know Ted Copple on Nightline used to be able to see the guests, but the guests could never see him. That was the Copple advantage. So Todd's got that same advantage with us right now? Final two question the drinks. Did Mike Palm just drink of these like whatever? These things? He's one of ahead of me, so I think he's he's too deep, but he's got a third. They're not alcohol, there's just a little sugar drink. It's a sea breeze, right, Virgin. I don't know what else. By the way, what's your

weight now? You had been losing weight? What are you down to now? I have lost twenty United States pens? Good for you, man, you're down to Look at these marlins this morning? I was to forty five Gil? Oh man, what's the line from your only? That's the line for me being less than gills very he's only thirty pounds. That believable. I think you can do it. I think there's a financial thing involved, a bet, like a weight better something. You'll do it, but you'll do it for yourself.

I know that. I tried to bet Gil but he doesn't want to do it. But it's gonna be even worth more than that, because if I can ever get to to twelve, when he's to thirteen, I can dance and laugh forever. Well, here's the thing. The differences is that you are doing this because of health concerns. We'll have health concerns, all right, but yours more severe than others. And you are completely disciplined and your whole life is ruined by it. I enjoy my life, that's true. Yeah,

thank you? And how tall? How tall is Todd? Like five five? He's seemingly he's seemingly eleven foot tall? At than that? When you cannot laugh it over him, it's incredible. No, I forgot, I just forget. No, No, he's no, he's not sure. No, No, he's like he's taller than I am. Oh yeah he isnah? Oh wow, okay cool? How tall are you? Toddie? But I'm also but I'm ten feet six at the next you can't get it over. It doesn't matter what they do, really not just does they

jump or just he just sits there. Oh, there's no way around him. I can't see. The sun is blocked as well. I can't see period. Yeah. Are you guys still actively playing tennis? No? I haven't in a year, and you have eleven months for my achilles. I don't know what. But Todd laughed, you should live right across the street. Phone so it was very convenient. We're going

when I come back, we're gonna play again. Gil's gonna be better, and you can come and make tons of money because think and I'll be laying like three and a half and I'll crush him. Okay, Todd, Uh, Let's do the final two questions, by the way Brian Anderson runners at first and second. One to pitch one half bottom of the first. Let's go get something done fintal two questions, which are the big favorites. Is the most likely to lose out right, and there are tons, tons

of choices here. Baltimore thirteen point favorites against Cincinnati, Kansas City twelve and a half thirteen point favorites against Las Vegas, Pittsburgh, seven point favorites against Philly Ram seven point favorites against this excuse me watching football team, Arizona seven point favorites against New York Jets, San Francisco nine point favorites against Miami Dolphins Dallas, nine and a half point favorites against the New York Giants, New England eleven point favorites against Denver,

Broncoast Seattle seven point favorites against the Minnesota Vikings, New Orleans seven and a half eight point favorites against the Chargers. We have never had that many options before ever in any given week, Bill, of all those teams, the most likely to lose out right, I'll say the Saints Monday Night, the Saints, Mikey, Cowboys, Todd, Uh, I'm most likely to lose, big favorite. I you know I can see the Cowboys losing.

I'll say Cowboys very good. Uh. We have a fifth Green Band Detroit, Green Band Detroit or on a buy right now? There's no Buffalo Tennessee game. So there's fourteen games. If you had to bet all, well, you had to bet the entire sleep, but you got one free pass. You had a bet thirteen out of fourteen of these, there's one game on the side you want no part of whatsoever? Bill? What game would that be on the spread? Right of course? Yes, sir, the Cincinnati Baltimore game. I

don't know what's going on there. I don't like that nine nine of ten books do not have the line up in front of me. Uh. Yeah, that that would be the past right now, Mike. You know I don't know what the new Texans will look like under Romeo. Now. So I'm gonna stay away from next exact lem Jacksonville Houston, Todd, I don't like the Vikings game because I just have no feel for that, that idiot Kirk Cousins at all. I just can't stand him. I can't stand to being

all of the time. I can't stand to be against him for him any which way, it just goes wrong. Thank you Todd, appreciate it. Mikey, thank you, Bill, appreciate you coming on podcast. Love having you on the megapod. Good luck with all your week five bets in the NFL, whatever gets played, whenever it gets played. Um. By the way, if it is a forfeiture in millions, whoever forfeits gets zero points. Whoever is the beneficiary of the forefeit gets

one point. Correct if um correct. If the NFL declares you a winner and you get a W that counts as a point and it also counts as a survivor advancement. Wow wow that would be debated for a while. Yeah. What happens though? If the Steelers get credited as a win after they didn't really get credited for that week, wouldn't that be a problem. It has to have been graded as a win. By two am on Tuesday morning.

Correct for Todd, for Mike, for Billy. Thanks listen to the megapot, Good luck with all your best to get to the NFL. Go eat just Bote, I'm gonna go Beck to podcast now. Please don't. I would like