Beating The Book: 2019 Week 8 NFL Guessing Lines Show with Chris Andrews

sports Book. That's Chrissie Andrews. He in Los Angeles. Hopefully we'll get him back in Las Vegas in the coming weeks. If not next week, we take a crack at it. Our search for value in a year when the halves and the have nots but a chasm between them, it just gets wider and wider. Guessing lines with Chris Andrews. Enjoy right here on the beating of the book, podcast based network series Sex Up Title two four, Visa dot Com, the Visa app, Bubos Link Game plus all down the line.

It is Gil Alexander producing number five. Jeff Parlay is here as well. I I believe that is the pronunciation of his last name, Parlay was happening good morning, Gil yesterday. Let me just say this about guessing lines, because for those of you who are tuning in down this morning, you're like, well, it's guessing lines this morning, right, of course it is. For goodness sake, week eight in the National Football he will be asking guessing lines with Chris Andrews.

That will bring it here momentarily. But let me just say this off the top. Well, let's bring in Chrissy, for goodness sake, from somewhere in l A. Ladies and gentlemen. He is the sports book director at the South Point Hotel casino right here, perhaps back in the fold here. Within a couple of weeks, we'll get a read on that. It's Chris Andrew's my book. A good morning, Chrissy, Hey Jilly, what's going on? How you doing? Are we within a couple of weeks? Maybe? Maybe? Wow? Maybe within a couple

of days, but I don't want to count anything. I had a I had a test last Wednesday. Uh you know, uh listen. I don't know if anybody's interested, but the bone marrow biopsy, which is painful as hell in anyway, the results it takes a while to get the results. I see the results tomorrow. If everything everything is good, they're releasing me and I hope to be back in Launch, Vegas Tuesday night. Keeping my fingers crossed, keeping my fingers were all not counting anything yet. Listen, don't ever say

we're not interested. We are interested. We want to know. Um but boat marrow biopsy just said the last thing about that, you said it's painful, Well, it's not so much painful. They shoot you up. Well, first of all, they give you a morphine before you get it, so that's one plus, you know, and then they shoot you up with a local so it doesn't hurt that bad when you do it, but it just hurts for days

and days afterwards, including you know. Still, So it's been like five days and you know, my back is still pretty tender, you know, from it'll take a little while. But meanwhile, I was hoping that's the last one I have to get, and they tell you're gonna have to get at least two more, three, you know, So well, I guess let that be the worst of it. Given Yeah, yeah, Well, like I said, at least I get morphine, So what the health you know, So at least the worst thing

in the world. Well, we hope to get you back here with it a couple of days. How did you do as a as the head bookmaker here at the director of the South Point Hotel Casino sports book How did you do this weekend? Uh? You know, they're both good days. You know. Saturday, you know, we didn't have any like huge, huge winds, but we just grind it out the really nice day. And yesterday, you know, we had some big wins, we had some big losses, but once the dust settled at the end of the night,

we wind up with a pretty good day. Again, not great, not really great, but pretty good. Yea, So no open plaints for the whole weekend. And I gotta tell you the handle overall, I think the biggest Saturday and Sunday combined since I've been right, you know, other been other than like a Super Bowl or something like that. So our business is growing. That has to make Mr Vaughan very happy. Um. And uh, you know, we're we do

a lot of little things. Like I said, it doesn't necessarily get you on ESPN and that sort of stuff, but we take pride in taking care of our customers and That's one of the things I think we do really well. And I wonder if you'll be able to say that, oh, biggest handle of a weekend. I wonder if you'll be able to say that time and time again this year. Maybe not everywhere, I'm guessing you might. Yeah, it seems to be growing. Like last night, I was

looking and we didn't quite get there. I think a week before, maybe two weeks ago, I said we had the biggest handle in a game since I've been here, and I thought maybe the Philly Dallas game would get there. Didn't quite get there, but it was. It was a pretty big handle on that game. And again, a lot of that has to do around the three, because we only we don't move to juice. We only moved the number.

We keep everything in eleven a ten, And you know, sometimes it works against us, but you know, overall it has worked for us because, like I said, guys, come into the you come into the South Point. You might not get the number you want, but you are going to eleven attend. You aren't going to get any these you know, fancy numbers associated with the three years seven or whatever some other guys did you know you're gonna lay eleven at tenure, and I think our customers appreciate that.

Last week has heard on Visa and Jeff Parls Minnesota and Philadelphia was the highest handled game of any non postseason game ever at South winch Do we have anything exceed that this past week with me? No, Like I said, the Philly Dallas game came, did not exceed that. I'm not. The overall handle for the two days was fantastic, all right. So, um, let me just say this. I don't often we listen. We're not in the h Hey look at us. Uh, look look what I did kind of thing here, But

guessing lines has been an institution here. We have paid tribute to the Startus Show, Roxy's little Star Start Us Show. So from so many years ago with the Guessing Line show, you and I in podcast form for many years and now of course on a numbers game which is also in podcast form. Um, let me just say this, the way that thefl is going, the haves and the have nots, the chasm growing between them, and so my guess is right, have been as a result of that sort of dynamic,

further and further off than in previous years. And that sort of sort of makes sense. And let me just say this, on guessing lines, our read of what the market ought to be has been consistently better then what comes out here on Mondays. So this weekend, for instance, we were able to use that and the only thing that I the only thing that I missed on it was a push with the Niners. Niners historically the Redskins only the second team in the modern era to not

cover excuse me to cover rather while scoring zero points. Um. But that was a push in contest. But essentially, we've been better on New Orleans week after week than what the market has suggested. I've had New Orleans favored the last two weeks. Uh, incredulous about the Dolphins catching all those points against the Bills, by the way, even more incredulous later in the week when it was Ryan Fitzpatrick

announced and it didn't move at all. So as much as some of these guests appeared a guest is rather appear to be laughable on Monday, the market tends to come to us or the results bear it out in the end. So we're kind of on fire with the guesses here now. I'm sure there'll be some laughers today, but that's what makes this a fascinating exercise. That's why

we love this, Chris. And as always, you post these right after the show, right, yeah, yeah, right, as soon as we hang up, I call Lou and we get these numbers up. Let me you know a guy who's not necessarily a friend of our show, but a friend of Visa and Aaron Renning, a guy that I've known for quite a lot, and I highly respect Aaron. And he framed it about as well as I could think to do it. And he said, you don't want to think parallel with a bookmaker, you want to think perpendicular

to the bookmaker. We all think the same, there's no point in this, right, And I laughed. There was a guy I worked with many, many years ago, and I was just to pick it right and reasons I'm gonna put up a line so good nobody's gonna beta think that's really the function of what we're trying to do here. Right. As a young kid, I'm thinking, I think that's right, Well,

well said, well said by Aaron Rennett. That's right, because if we if if you know, the point is not to guess them accurately, then we have nothing to talk about. There'll be no point in the exercise. The point is to find a few, a couple, maybe maybe more than a couple, or a few where there seems to be a difference and therefore perhaps some value. That said, let's start Thursday night football week eate in the National Football League. Chris, what do you got? Oh you'll love this one. Gilly

Washington at Minnesota. Yeah, yeah, knowing knowing the red Skins, I gotta do this. What was going the Kirk Cousins game for those who will will absolutely crush that storyline all week long. Um. Look, last week, UM, I thought the Thursday game was super duper value. That was one of the ones that where I said this should be Kansas City more than three. It ended up being Kansas City just by three on a Thursday night, and we

pounded Kansas City. As a result of really the guessing lines discussion here, I would say, obviously this is a different dynamic entirely because Minnesota is gonna be hugely favored there at home. By the way, the Redskins yesterday case Keenum and the Redskins lose to the Niners nine to nothing. Do we have that tweet from Dug Kazarian Jeff This is historic NFL gambling history. The Redskins became just the second team in the past twenty five seasons to cover

a point spread without scoring. Only other occurrence two thousand seven, Miami lost three to nothing to Pittsburgh as sixteen point dogs. So the Skins the only team to uh get us out of the wind column with a push and circue. Yesterday case keenum nine of twelve on a FedEx field that was listen, that's a field that they don't They can't seem to get together even in the best of weather, and they use the excuse mid Atlantic region. I'm like,

mid Atlantic whatever, blah blah blah. They can't get that field. That's your job, get that field ready. They can't in the rain. It was just a slop fest. And so what Michael Lombardi ad me on Lombardi Line yesterday, Why do I think this line doesn't continue to go up? My only answer was it's got to be the weather and sharp betters have got to have figured out that the field is going to impact This keenom was nine of twelve or seventies seven yards, zero touchdowns, zero picks,

fifty passing yards. If you factor in sacks. The Skins mustard a grand total of a hundred and fifty four total yards. That was their eight loss in a row, by the way, at FedEx. This is at Minnesota. Kirk Cousins yesterday. Uh, he's the greatest quarterback who's ever lived. Chrissy obviously twenty four of thirty four three thirty seven,

four touchdowns note picks, and wasn't sacked. He connected with Stefon Digs on a sixty six yard pass from deep in their own territory with a little over two minutes left. After matching a career high with the four touchdown passes, he leads the Vikings to a forty two to thirty win over the Lions. Lad the Vikings on four straight touchdown drive starting in the first quarter ending in the third.

He's the first quarterback in league history to throw for at least three hundred yards with a one hundred thirty plus passer rating in three straight games. That's Kirk Cousins, everybody, and of course Dalvin Cook. Twenty two two touchdowns, dig seven catches for one two out gained the Lions five oh three to four thirty three. Adam Feeling, though, is a question mark here. He had a game ending hamstring injury in the first quarter after he was hurt while

scoring his seventh touchdown of the year. Zimmer Mike Zimmer did not have an update on his condition after the game. I will say that fourteen would be too short. I will say fourteen and a half here in favor of the vikings. You're a little light at sixteen, and knowing how these thirds and night games go, you know, I have a feeling where we're going to touch seventeen at some point in the week. And again, I'm not trying

to tell you the winner. Uh. You know, if I was Zimmer, I would definitely put feeling on the bench. He's a really important player to them, you know. I would hope they're not. They don't need him in a game like this because they certainly have plenty of other weapons. I'm gonna open sixteen and a half, I said, a little pick above the market. I see all, I see pretty much all sixteen. I'm gonna open sixteen and a half.

I feeling we're gonna hit seventeen. A lot of public money on these Thursday games, although the wide you guys definitely come in and play like you talked about the Kansas City game last week. Why do you guys were all over Denver in that game, all over I mean, uh, overpowered him pretty much, you know, but they were so the Wise guys certainly aren't shy about taking some big numbers, um, no matter what data we shoul it is. And I

have a feeling they might come in on Washington. But Minnesota say, that was a bad game for US uh public and really wise that money on Minnesota pushed it up. We might have going a three at one point. We finally got a little bit of money back at three, but the Wise guys were all over Minnesota. And really this team is playing really really well right now. I don't know what's gotten into Kirk Cousins because I still look at him and I'm not sure how good he is,

but he's certainly playing really really well right now. And big part of it you have to look at coaching. I think got told with him a lot defense, you know, a lot of defense. Didn't stop Detroit much yesterday, but the defense is pretty good, and he's got some good weapons, you know, He's got Dalvin Cook is that digs uh you know? And even though a feeling I think he only cut one passes even though it was a great Catchler touched them. But you know, besides him, they still

have other weapons. So there's a lot of things around Kirk Cousins that are really helping him. And listen, you know, sometimes the quarterback has to be like a point guard and he's just distribute cabal right now, he's doing that really well. So anyway, I'm gonna open that sixteen and a half. Um. I have a feeling we'll touch seventeen at one point. But anyway, that's what I think. And by the way, that Washington game for us was really

really good yesterday. He started off that was the first line or to go in and started us off on a pretty good day. Yeah. And San Francisco just basically ran out of time there at the end, uh more more or less, and had to kick a field goal or didn't even just played for a field goal. They certainly want to throw the ball around the yard when the Redskins had no time outs left. Alright, how many early Sunday games? How many late Sunday games do we have this week? I simply got let me see one.

I gotta get down that my computers. Most sloger one, two, three, four or five, six, seven, eight, nine, early three late, and then the primetime games two teams on a by Dallas and Dallas and Baltimore and Buys. All right, we'll get to both of those teams. For those unfamiliar. We we go through these and well rehash yesterday's games. With lots to say about certain games. Let's do one from

the morning on on Sunday, this coming Sunday. Uh, Giants at Detroit Giants at Detroit Giants yesterday lose to the Cardinals. That game got to three and a half late in favor of the Giants pre flop Yesterday. Se Kwan came back eighteen carries seventy two yards a touchdown, Daniel Jones two of thirty five to twenty three, one touchdown a pick. He was act eight times, Chris eight times by the Cardinals. Uh. The Giants were minus three in turnovers. It's their third

straight loss. Pat Shermer winless and five challenges this season. I like that little note in the game. Uh, not a not doing well on challenges either. So they lose their two and five. Now Detroit, as we just mentioned, lose to the Vikings. But Matthew Stafford thirty of forty five three sixty four, four touchdowns, one pick. He was sacked two times. By the way, he's the fastest quarterback

to reach forty thousand yards passing in NFL history. How about that Danny Amondola eight for one oh five catches, eight for one oh five, Marvin Jones Jr. Ten catches for ninety three yards and four count them four touchdowns for Marvin Jones and the Lions. They lose their third straight game after a two oh and one start, They're now two three and one. As everybody in Detroit can tell, it's just another year for the Lions, who are in the cellar there in the NFC North. All that said,

it's at Detroit. I'll say Detroit minus six, a little white Detroit seven, and uh I see seven A couple of spots with some juice on the dog. I think seven probably the high water mark, but I think seven's okay here. You know, I really Detroit's lost a couple of heartbreakers, and as well as Minnesota played yesterday, Detroit hung in there with them. I mean, you know, I know the defense didn't do much stount in Minnesota, but

their offense I thought really looked pretty good. Most of that's on Stafford, and you're talking about him being the first of forty thousand yards. A lot of that has to do with the fact that he's probably been behind most of his career, and he had the throw, you know. But he wasn't bad yesterday, and they had some pretty decent results on offense, and just the Giants looked like they're heading in the wrong direction right now, even though

the Why guys pounded them pretty good yesterday. There was another very good result for us. So I am an open seven. Uh. Like I said, I think that's a high water mark. I could see where the sharp players will come in and take the Giants. But boy, I'm sure we want to take a bet at seven with these two teams. I don't have a problem with seven. I probably did go right there. Let's do one more. Excuse me, Tampa Bay at Tennessee. Geez uh, Tampa bet Tennessee.

All right, let me just guess this one first before we even talk about it. This has to be three, I would imagine in favor of Tennessee. Uh Tannehill yesterday. Let me just say this about before we get to the the ending sequence of that Tennessee Jiff already rolling his eyes at this when we get to the closing sequence of that Tennessee Chargers gave yesterday the Titans Charges game.

Let me just say, is Ryan Tannehill uhe twenty nine three, twelve three and twelve yards of the year, two touchdowns, one pick. Now here's the thing about him. He if you watch that game, he completed a lot of passes in tight quarters. I was very impressed by him as an improvement. On Look, he's not gonna set the world on fire, Ryan Tannehill, for goodness sake, it's still him, but he was so much better to me than Marcus Mariotta was. And Marcus Mariota, who's who's primary skill is

not turning the ball over. But really, Tannehill was so much more effective for them, I thought. So the end of this game yesterday between the Titans and the Charges. By the way, Tampa Bay obviously coming off a bye when last we saw them, they were in London getting beat by the Carolina Panthers, so they have extra rest here. But I'll say Tennessee minus three the the the closing sequence of that game yesterday, which was just sort of

very controversial and one of these things. Where here it here it is, by the way, here's Will Brinson's tweet. Charges got to the one yard line and one got ten free seconds from Mike frabel to committed a false start. Three drew defensive p I, four got a touchdown, five had it reversed, six ran the ball again, seven fumbled, eight lost. It's a great it's a great tweet for

Will Brinson. But essentially, if you missed it yesterday, UH, Jurrell Casey recovered a fumble by Melvin Gordon at the goal line with fifteen seconds left, Tennessee pulled out a victories Sunday over the Chargers after a frantic final minute. The Chargers thought they had scored the go ahead touchdown not once but twice UH in the final forty four seconds, only to lose both on review by the replay official. UH. That official also overturned Gordon being stopped on the Charges

final play. Philip rivers first. The first one was the past to Austin Ekeler, took sixteen yards was ruled a touchdown, only only to be reversed by the replay official for not breaking the plane as he was tackled by Tenny mccaro, Kenny mccarlo, and Logan Ryan at the one, and then after a false start, Malcolm Butler then was flagged for defensive pass interference on Mike Williams in the end zone that gave the charges again the ball at the one.

Gordon went over right tackle with thirty four seconds left for what officials ruled the one yard touchdown, and the replay officials then reversed the call for the second time in what became a run for no game that set up Gordon's final run with nineteen seconds left. Shenanigans, Chrissy, Uh, this was one of This was one of these games

where if you had Tennessee, which I did. By the way, please, if I ever complain about anything else ever again, remind me of this game right, because I think the officials got it right. But the notion that all of that ended up going my way is just an unbelievable upset. If you are a Chargers fan or a Charger's backer. First of all, if your charges back or you're probably like, no, they didn't get it right multiple times, you probably thought

that I would disagree with you. But if you're a Chargers fan or if you're just an observer of the Chargers. This was the most Chargers thing ever and I have said on this show, and I brought it up via Twitter yesterday. We have said on a numbers game on numerous occasions, too many to count. Philip Rivers never sneaks the football. Find me footage of any time in his career where Philip Rivers sneaks. It's almost as if it's in his contract. And yesterday to me proved that, Like,

if you're not sneaking there, you're never sneaking. And uh, Tennessee gets the win. The Chargers folded two and five, Tennessees three and four. As far as this game, Tennessee minus three over Tampa Bay, I think that has to be the line. I like your number better. It's really two and a half. And I even see them two's um on this show. I'm gonna say that I'm gonna

open it too and a half. But I tell you right now, I might wind up opening against three just to take a bed because I think there's hals to go to three. Uh. Tannehill was not bad yesterday. Where's my notes? The on one thing? I was impressed me guy in ten point eight yards per attempt, and that's one of the thing first things I look at. A lot of guys looked at that. Uh, that impressed me. You know, I think that he's that he learned. I don't.

I don't know, because we he's had. It's not like some rookie that all of a sudden we're looking at for the first time. He's been around for quite a while. But he played really well yesterday. And I don't think Tennessee has all that many tools to make him that much better than he has been. But I thought he really played well. I know he's been anti Mariota for a long time, and I really probably should I should have listened to you, because I think you're definitely right.

So it looks like a big improvement to me over Mariota. And why they're not a full three over Tampa Bay, you know, I really don't know. So on this show right now, I'm going to say two and a half, but I'm going to think about this one. I might open three and take a bet because I think we will get the three. Uh the boy that I guess we'll get to the Chargers. They're actually the next game up.

The boy, they do a lot of Chargery things. And I'm sure our friend e down and what I think, still a Charger fan, uh, just because he loves the punishment. But I'm sure I have a lot to say about that. But you're right about the sneak and uh. And I'm not sure the Revs got it right. I really thought that first one was a touchdown for sure. And how they could overrule that second one, I mean it was a massive body, you know, not right or wrong, But how can they overrule the call in the field. I

just don't know. Well, we'll talk, we'll talk about it. I needed the Chargers too, so I'm sure in my opinions, a big yeah, I think we will listen. I think we all might be tainted by where our where our agenda was, where our needs were monitarily at that one. We'll come back. We'll bring up the charges game as we'll continue with this guessing lines we gain the National Football All League. It's a numbers game right here on Visa,

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to a numbers game with Jill Alexander. Let's bring in producing number five Jeff Parls here for a second. The end of that Tennessee l A Chargers game yesterday. What what do you think the officials got right? What do you think they got wrong? First off, precursor to this, I had Chargers in game plus three and a half. So that whole sequence, yeah, uh here's what I actually

agree with, what what Chris said. I thought the first touchdown, the Echoler touchdown that was overturned, I didn't think they had a good enough angle to overturn that. I thought that should have stood on the field as a touchdown. The the first Gordon touchdown to be overturned to the second touchdown to be overturned, I thought he was down. I thought they got that one correctly. The third one, I lost the football and almost it was clearly a fumble.

Darrell Casey clearly ended up with the ball, So I think they ended up getting that one current. So it was the first one. I didn't like the overturned second one they got right. Third of the balls loose, clear fumble. How about we're missing the sequence before that when the Titans had the ball and on a third down play they marked it probably way closer to the to the down marker then it should have been. And then on fourth down he may have gotten it, but they marked

it short, and then Rabel didn't challenge it. I have no idea what I very didn't challenge that because I thought he I thought he got it on the fourth down, and you are right, that was it. Was fourth and inches. With the way they marked it, it should have been fourth in a holy yard and would even a yard and a few and a few inches. I wish I could. I wish there was a way to capture the audio.

I was in a sports book yesterday. We didn't have the sound of the game because obviously the two other games that were going off the time, we're much more marquis and much more bet upon, the Baltimore Seattle game and of course the New Orleans Chicago game. So we were left those of us betting on this game in this frantic we don't know what the heck is going on, debate with each other at every turn. And I wish, I wish we could capture that audio and run that

back today. But it was very apparent on the last one, on the last play with the fumble that Tennessee was going to win that game, because we were like, wait, no, no, that's and then we were worried, you know, I was worried, Wait a minute, does he get the do they get the ball at the one yard line? And then is are the Titans gonna take a safety? And there was like no, no, no no, it's a touchback because he got

it in the end zone. So there was all minds of things that could have gone wrong, as far as the as far as the spread. But interesting that you thought you both and Chrissie believe that the first one I should not have been overturned. We didn't see the ball, but it did look like when his butt was down there couldn't have been any part of his body at the goal line. I don't know. Maybe it's my money talking, maybe it's your money telling you. Who knows. It's an

interesting debate, for sure. We'll talk about it for weeks. Let's go to the next game. Chrissie, We'll bring you, We'll bring you back in here. You said the Chargers is the next game, Chargers in San Diego. And I guess you've got this message too from our friend to eat. I didn't check them. I didn't check the phone yet. Yeah, you got to check your message. Okay. I can only imagine, uh, yeah, you can probably imagine it. Anyway. We got the Chargers

at Chicago, Oh, speak of the devil charge. Well, first of all rivers yesterday for the Chargers twenty four or thirty three, twenty nine, two touchdowns, no picks, but again he doesn't sneak all the Nickeler, who should be the entire Chargers offense should revolve around him, and the entrance of Melvin Gordon has screwed up everything. Seven catches, one eighteen touchdown charges of the lost three straight five of

their past six. Uh. Their their offensive line was already banged up with Mike Pouncey out Russell Okun trying to work his way back. He has blood clots. But then uh Forest lamp their left guard her Nankel midway through the second quarter. He was carted off the field as well. So they are banged up on the offensive line. Chicago yesterday, And if if the ghost of Michael Lombardi was here

right now, we'll have him on the show tomorrow. But this was Michael Lombardi's Citizen Kane for Mitchell Trabiski yesterday, thirty four of fifty four for two fifty one. If you look at the box score, that's what you see. You're like, oh, thirty four or fifty one to fifty one, And forget thirty fifty four, forget the fact that he threw the ball fifty four times right coming off the intry. That's another matter for Matt Nagy to talk about two touchdowns,

no picks. But of those two hundred and fifty one yards passing, got this one, Jeff listening to this, one hundred and thirty eight of the two fifty one. We're in the last four minutes and twenty five seconds of the game. So really he did nothing. He said his shoulder was fine. Allen Robinson was his favorite target, ten of eighty seven for a touchdown, but they were two of twelve on third down against New Orleans. They set a franchise record, the Bears did, and I'll put record

in quotes of seven carries. Seven carries, that's a franchise low. Seventeen yards rushing by far, their few as this season. Uh, And really all the fans had to cheer for was that Cordurell Patterson one hundred two yard kickoff return. The Bears gave up a season high four hundred twenty four yards and their loss to the Saints. While being held to two fifty two, they managed just four first downs

through the first three quarters. Wow. So you got the Chargers coming off that loss, you got the Bears coming off that rabiscite game. And I'll just put it in no man's land between three and seven and say Bears minus five and a half, Well, you're dead on it's five and a half. I see a couple of fives. I'm gonna open this five because this is the kind of game where the charges will cover. Well I win. I have no idea, but it's a kind of game. You know. We say in the NFL, you always want

to buy low, sell high. We're buying low on both these teams right now. I think I mentioned I mentioned yards per temp. Really one of the first things I looked at Mr Busy four point six yards per tempt. That was a low water mark. I'm pretty sure. I had to look at my notes here. I'm pretty sure that was the worst yards per tempt from any quarterback in the NFL yesterday. And he really was pitiful. And they ran the bolt seven times for seventeen yards, so

he's not getting much help either. Uh, their defense is pretty good, but this is one of those games. Go this is a really good game for us. Yesterday, all the money was on the Bears, and I remember, just tell them, my god, I do not understand. Yeah, yeah, I mean we might win or lose, God knows. I mean we lose plenty of games, Lord does. But I just did not see the attraction with the Barons. I

just didn't see it. And you know, you could say, well, Petty Bridgewater is kind of fake and not really playing as well as his record indicates. You know, I get all that. But you know, and they did have a lot of injuries on New Orleans. But still you're land that many points. I mean, we closed this few five yesterday. You know, I just couldn't understand it. A matter of fact, I'm looking at my sheep from last week. I like New Orleans plus the three and a half is you

know what it opens? You know on the point of five. Well, I mean, look, look, we get I listen, I'm the first person who admit it, get a lot wrong in the National Football League, but we've sort of hit our stride in New Orleans. Is the best example of that both weeks now, both because Jacksonville last week gets the Bears. Yesterday, I had New Orleans favorite in both of those games. On guessing lines, New Orleans appears to be based on

what we've seen with Philadelphia. Based on what I mean, obviously, people in Dallas and Minnesota and Green Bay and other places are gonna have something to say about it. San Francisco is undefeated, but man, it's hard to make a case that New Orleans isn't at the top of their game right now with a backup quarterback. Right, I mean there, they look fabulous on defense, they win different ways to right,

they blocked a punt. I mean they're they're a well rounded team, but you know, well coached, and they've got a lot of good players, and they had some holes in the lineup yesterday with players missing, but you'd never know it, certainly by looking at the at the final score. They're world coach. They've done a good job drafting and picking up free agents, etcetera, etcetera. That's a good, good team. And anyway, we're going back to Chicago and the Chargers.

I think five is what I'm gonna open. Like I said, I I kind of lean towards the Chargers in this game, as heartbreaking is that was yesterday and they did some good things, and you know, I mean, is it how long are we going to have faith in Trabisky? I think the Chicago people are getting extremely frustrated fans I'm talking about I'm not sure when management is going to start pulling the plug, but he does not look like the answer, and they traded up and after him number

two overall. I mean, even at that time, I was not sure why that was. He just had a very brief career in North Carolina and I didn't think it was all that great. But somehow the Scalps, you know, fell in love with them. And you know that that seems to happen every year with a lot of quarterbacks, and that's how we get a lot of bus out of the potion round quarterbacks. And that's not that's not

armchair quarterback. And we said it that day, like, how are you DeShawn Watson, who he saw win a national championship? Right Like it just made no sense anyway. Uh so you're opening five on that. I'm gonna open five, you know, And I gotta tell you a kind of lean towards the Chargers in this one. I do think I do think that was the game yesterday that might have been the tipping point for a lot of Trabinsky apologists to

sort of doing about face yesterday. I have a feeling three excuse me, four first downs in the first three quarters against a good defense, for sure, But yeah, no, seven carry seventeen yards again of a Troubinskys too hundred and uh fifty fifty one yards passing. One hundred and thirty eight of them were the last four minutes and seconds of that game, so he had one thirteen yards

passing for almost that entire football game. To the flurry at the end, Let's do one more here before the break, Chris, Okay, Well, there's gonna be not much to stalk about here Seattle and at Atlanta, and we don't know about Matt Ryan. And uh uh, you know, I see one number up. I'm not even sure it's an active number, but I see one number right now, and it's gonna be hard to make that out. Matt Ryan. Matt Shaubs, the back up,

a nice veteran, played really well yesterday. That pretty big difference between Shaub and Ryan, and I don't think you'll see any numbers on this game until we get a little bit better of an update on Matt ran All right. Ryan's right leg, for those who missed it, bent awkwardly when he was sacked by Errol Aaron Donald fourth quarter of that game yesterday. He fumbled, Donald recovered, Ryan limped off the field. He was escorted to the medical tent and then he was walked to the locker room, still

favoring the ankle. That was with seven thirty six remaining in the game. Dan Quinn. Head coach Dan Quinn said he did not know the severity of Ryan's injury. Ryan wore a walking boot in the locker room. That was in Atlanta's loss yesterday. Um was a final and at thirty seven to ten with a cosmetic touchdown there they have thirty seven to ten Falcons one in six or fifth straight loss. So, if it's Ryan or it's Shaw,

Shaw was six for six, I think in relief. If it was Ryan, I would say Seattle minus four on the road. If it's Shab it's probably closer to a touchdown. But as you say that, we don't have anything. Yeah, just too big of a disparity right now. Nobody wants to put that out there, including me. I don't want to put it out there until I find out a little bit more. It's like it's a Shaw mice packed up.

But come on, I mean, you know, as much as Atlanta's had their problems this year, it's not really starting with Matt Ryan. I mean, he's still a pretty good quarterback. They have a lot of other problems on this team, but Matt Ryan is not the main cult group you brought up our the moments ago, and I will check the phone in a moment see what he has to say. But you know one of his big pet peeves over the years. He's a guy at Southern California, so he's

watched Pete Carroll intimately at USC and beyond. He is not a fan understatement, not a fan of Pete Carroll. Seattle loses to Baltimore yesterday. Uh they do so by the score of thirty to sixteen UM in a game that was really marked by two defensive touchdowns for the Ravens. That was the difference, a rare Russell Wilson mistake of pick six that Marcus Peters in his first game for

the Ravens, takes back to the house. And then there was a dk Metcalf fumble that was returned for a touchdown with three forty seven left in the fourth quarter that made it a seventeen point game and really closed the door on the Seahawks. But think about Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll UM. Basically this is FeliCa said this yesterday to be a textic goes Beete. Carroll couldn't stop the eighty five Sooner's offense yesterday, right like that was just

you know, he's supposed to be a defensive genius. There was no spy, there was no rushed discipline. And think about the different things that happened in that game too. He kicks a fifty three yard field goal and pouring rain on fourth and three at the Baltimore thirty five and thirteen thirteen tie with six fifty one left in the third quarter. Bad decision. He challenged a p I and lost. Of course, was out of timeouts midway through the second quarter, um on and on and on and

so you know, we we talked about handicapping coaches. Pat Carroll is like not on my good list at all, and I think he's on a lot of people's good lists. So I think that he's one of these coaches that people are very have very different opinions on. Well, you know, you talked about those five for for Seattle and Jackson at fourteen carries for a hundred and sixteen yards. Man, he's on at some point you have to make an adjustment, don't you. And by the way, that's not that big

of anabiration. The guy is, you know, arguably the best running quarterback in the NFL. I mean, we can make that kids. But I mean, come on, here's what you Davian Clowney said after the game quote, I always wanted to play against Michael Vick. I guess I'm getting the new era with Lamar Jackson right there. And Jeff, what did you say before the off air? What did you say he's a better runner than Vick was? Oh my, he's a better runner. And that's and and I'm not

remember I remember my pearls. How good? There were multiple plays yesterday that we're should have been losses of seven, losses of eight that he turned in the fifteen twenty five yards. He was incredible running the ball yesterday. Yeah he was. I mean, but man, Michael Vick generational. But yeah,

you're right, I mean, it was phenomenal. But but you so no line basically what you're saying here seatland Atlanta because of the line, Like I said, I see one line at three and a. But I'm not sure that's an active line. You know, sometimes by screen doesn't put updates when they just scratch a me I'm not sure that's an active line or not. All right, we'll come back, but you know, is he better than Michael Vickors. That's that's easy easy anybody Like I said, he's arguably the

best running quarterback in the NFL. Right now, were making adjustment for forget making an adjustment. You should have known before the game that was going to be part of it. You know that was curious. We'll come back. We'll continue more guessing lines weeked. Um, we'll talk a little baseball here in the break, and then we'll resume week eight lines after that. Um, we'll also talk of course tomorrow about the National Basketball Association, which which gets under way.

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numbers game with Kill Alexander. We get texts Lombardi texta medios. Why didn't Fable challenge Spot? I said no clue whatsoever. It's as if the refs told him he had no chance at a reversal. Again, I'm just speculating, like I have no idea. Why why ate the what the flag? And then our buddy E would uh Chrissie was referring to Uh. He said, Uh, I'm no longer a Chargers fan. They deserve all of this bad carbon more and they employ a coach who couldn't coach a high school diadlywigs team.

So he feels he feels strongly about Anthony lynn Um. And he also points out that everyone in San Diego hate roots against them and Spanos. He says he respects Rivers, doesn't want to see him get hurt, and he was. In fact he was. He was the first one I ever to talk about the Rivers. No sneak thing. Find me footage of Philip Rivers game. It doesn't exist. Chrissie, let's do one more. Okay, Jets, we're playing tonight at Jacksonville. Okay, so Jets unseen here sight unseen they are. By the way,

I got the Jets tonight catching the nine. I'll take the Jets tonight. I think I think they cover that. Um. You know, always you gotta always take a big gulp when you're facing the Patriots. But I will take the Jets tonight. So Jacksonville. They win yesterday in a tight game yesterday for most of the afternoon, but then they pulled away from Cincinnati late. They went at seventeen and cover three interceptions by the Jags in the fourth quarter

defensive touchdown. The Jags managed only field goals by uh the still perfect Josh Lambo through three quarters. They piled up three nine yards in the first half but had to settle for just two field goals, So that game probably should have been a lot wider of a margin than it was. Leonard Fournett thirty one d d Westbrook, six catches, one oh three. They outgained Cincinnati four out

rushed Cincinnati the two sixteen thirty three. By the way, all of those yards from Andy Dalton will get to them. Eleven penalties for one thirty three. They did, uh, make a lot of mistakes there with flags. So I'll say Jacksonville minus three and a half as a placeholder, you're a little like four and a half. And I'm not sure you know. Um. First of all, we'll see tonight again. Yeah, yeah,

we'll see tonight. But a lot of money did show on jackson Bill yesterday, uh and throughout the week, and a lot of you know, sharp money and public money, you know. And Mitchew was okay. It wasn't great, he was okay. His QBR thirty three point six, which I was surprised it was that low. Uh. He had one touchdown, no interceptions, eight yards per attempt, So it's really kind of surprised that the QBR was out there. I don't know,

QBR is one of those. I like looking at it because, like I said, it gives you a different glimpse at some statistics, but I'm not sure what all goes into that formula. Anyway, I really thought four that was a key to that game. He had a hundred thirty one yards himself rushing. The rushed to to sixteen total. Or Cincinnati had thirty three yards on the ground, holy count, and they ran twenty times. The rest of them had zero yards. Yeah, yeah, so I mean that I really

thought that was really the key to the game. And you're You're right, it probably should have been by a wider margin, you know. I mean, everybody knocks dolt. It probably deserves quite a big But I think if he had a better team, you'd probably see a better result on it him. But anyway, I yeah, I'm probably gonna open four and a half here as a placeholder, just because I want to see the Jets. Student. I have

the Jets myself in a couple of contests. Um, I expect them to play well, can I, and if they do, that number will come down. But you know, why do guys love Jacksonville. They've been in love with them for like the last two decades. It seems like, you know something open four and a half again as a placeholder. But if the Jets play well to night, and I kind of think they will, I think this number probably

come down. Remember we talked about how well guessing lines we've had New Orleans better than the market did the last two weeks. I had him favored the last two weeks. We talked about how that Miami line was ridiculous last week. I my guest on Jacksonville last week was the biggest difference between my guests and what the market was at Jacksonville minus five and a half. It ended up being like minus three and a half or whatever was Jacksonville

gets it done. So we'll see how the Jets do tonight and then that line will of course be more appropriately calibrated. We'll come back with Chris Andrews on a numbers game exclusively right here at Visa. It's a numbers game, kil Alexander. Believe in our number two guessing lines we

gave the National Football League. It is a numbers game right here at Visa in the Vegas Stats in Information Network Serious except Channel two O four skill Alexander Jeff Parlay producing number five hanging out licking his wounds from his college football Saturday, still talking about that. Uh, just clean up some things. By the way, So I brought you by the bed MGM app. Let's go. Let's make sure we are aware of that we're first time betters can make a five hundred dollar risk free bet not

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you to Shy City Brian for pointing this out. Warren Sharp says says that he's seen one video one of a Philip Rivers snake. Yes, Parlay you you remember this. So here's what Warren had to say. Since Rivers only has seven rushes and short yard of situations, Warren saying, I went back to and watched all seven. Only one of them was an actual quarterback sneak and he converted it for a first down technically a conversion rate on steakes, but it was his only conversion one, so he did

find one. So I stand corrected. How dare you? But yeah, that's the But the point is, the point remains. It's like it's in his contract. It's as if it's in his contracty no, no snakes. They didn't consider yesterday with you. All right, Chrissy, Let's let's resume a week eight. Let's uh do the rest of the early games. What's next?

Philadelphia ad Buffalo? All right? Um, this is not an easy line to guess, by the way, Uh, Philadelphia got housed last night, and you know, look, I that was one of those where it I didn't end up playing it, but that was one of those on guessing lines might have been the exception. That one was the one where I was like, wow, I don't think Dallas deserves to be a three point favorite here. So let me just raise my hand this one. My first instinct was wrong.

Philadelphia got destroyed last night thirty seven to ten. Dallas had their tackles back. Uh, they had a Marii Cooper back. Of course, they were kind of that the old full strength, to use the hockey term, and uh, it was just destruction. Carson went sixteen twenty six for one touchdown, one pick. He threw a pick and had two of Philadelphia's tow of Philadelphias three lost fumbles, also from Carson Wentz. They dropped their second straight game after two game winning streak.

Was just the second time in thirty three winning flips coin flips that is that Doug Peterson hadn't deferred in order to start the second half on offense, and it backfired immediately when the Eagles fumbled on their first two possessions, led to a pair of touchdowns from the Cowboys. It was fourteen to nothing. The Cowboys started with the ball on the Eagles side of the field twice in a row,

fourteen and nothing before you could blink um. By the way, before that, Dallas was the only team in the NFL that hadn't started any drive on the the opposite side of the field. But the Eagles allowed Zeke twenty two of one eleven and a touchdown one eleven and a touchdown. Dallas finished with a hundred eighty nine yards of rushing, a hundred sixteen more than the average that Philly had given up before Amari Cooper five catches one oh six um.

Dallas was eight of fourteen on third down four hundred two yards of offense. The Eagles were minus three in turnovers. They allowed Dallas uh to snap their three game losing streak. Anyway, Philli help. He was terrible and a couple and last week I was talking about, like, who are the great quarterbacks in the NFL? And I threw Carson Wentz into

that group. I'm not so sure I need. I think I have to remove him like as quickly as I put as I put him in there, because I'm not sure this is the pre injury WinCE we're seeing at all. And then there's Buffalo, who not only was that incredulous about the line against the Dolphins, you know a week ago because I had at fourteen and I think or fourteen a half and it end up being seventeen, but when it when they switched from Josh Rosen to Ryan

Fitzpatrick midweek and it didn't move. This was the dumbest line of the week on the Bills. They end up winning by ten. By the way, the Dolphins did everything in their power to try to get the worst push ever on that with a late fumble, but Buffalo, uh,

they get it done. Jordan Phillips big play when he tackled Ryan Fitzpatrick for a ten yard loss on first and goal from the Buffalo to Miami first and goal from the Buffalo two, and that was one play later Davis White made a pick at the two to spark a second half comeback. The Bills rallied from a five point deficit to the Dolphins yesterday for a thirty one win their five and one it's their best starting eleven years um. But they didn't see it until Michael Hyde

with one thirty eight remaining in the game. I returned an onside kick for a touchdown one play after Fitzpatrick get scored. Josh Allen did have one nice drive twelve played, ninety eight yard drive that followed White's interception. So this is a strange line to make Philly at Buffalo because you know, Philly was terrible, Buffalo was, you know, okay, and victory against the Dolphins. Some might even say not good at all. So is it three? I'll say Buffalo

minus two and a half. It's one and a half. And I like that number better than yours. And I got to tell you right now. I mean we talk about it, you know, not all the time, but often on this show. The NFL is all about buying low and selling high. It's not like you're selling Buffalo high, but you are buying Philly low right now. And they looked they looked awful yesterday. I mean, let's be honest, they looked awful on National TV. That is always gonna

just sway the public opinion right there. I'm gonna open one and a half. But I really kind of like Philly in this spot. Um, you know, whence I'm kind of with you, Gil, I probably would have had him among the best quarterbacks in the league. But I'm not sure where to put him now. I mean, he was responsible for three turnovers yesterday, two fumbles and an interception, and uh, you know, is that an admiration or not.

You know, I'm not sure, to be quite honest with you, but I do think the rest of the team is pretty good, and I think I'm sketch right. I do think they're still a legitimate challenger. And now it's gonna be very hard to get a record right now to make the playoffs, but I do think they're a challenger to to the best teams in the NFC. I'm gonna open one and after I gotta tell you right now, I'm kind of leaning towards Philly in this game, and I think they're just not as bad as they looked

last night. It would not surprise me one iota if Philadelphia won't this game, handling right like it's just the NFL. This is a matchup could go. It wouldn't surprise me if Buffalo did the same, right. This is one of these This might be the answer to the question which game do I want no part of next week? This might be that game. Next Well, we've got a few more coming up, so ye, don't hold me to that yet. Okay, Cincinnati at the Ranch. That's a London game, correct, Oh,

yes it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, I'm sorry. Cincinnati at the Rams. Cincinnati winless o and six. We talked about it. They uh they lost yesterday once again. They did to Jacksonville, kept with him for a while, probably should have been down further, but they hung tied and then they got crushed at the end. Uh Andy Dalton two of forty three to seventy six, one touchdown, three picks. He had four carries for thirty three yards

in a touchdown. The reason I point that out is because the rest of the Bengals had sixteen carries for zero yards. Sixteen carries for zero yards. Alex Rickson, by the way, was his favorite target, eight for one thirty seven. They were out gained by Jacksonville four six ninety one. They were out rushed by Jacksonville two sixteen three to thirty three minus four in turnovers. They only had the ball for twenty one minutes and forty two seconds. They fall to o and seven for the first time in

eleven years. Sooner they're owing six or seven or own six. One are the one are the Bengals. They won seven oh and seven, so they fall to oh and seven for the first time in eleven years. Excuse me. They were booed repeatedly by their home crowds, so maybe they're happy to go to London. Um, here's some stuff. Miles jack picked off Dalton at the Jacksonville ten to preserve the late lead. Uh, Yannick, Uh is am I pronouncing

that correctly? Gockway, I'm sorry, Yannick and Golockway his interception return of a floating screen pass put it away when in Gockway. Here's here's what I wanted to point out about in Gockway when he saw Giovanni Bernard in the game. This is what he said after the game. He said he figured Cincinnati was going to throw a screen pass

and got on position to pick it off. Quote. I noticed when Bernard was in the game, they were looking to pass, and when it was Joe Mix and they were looking to run, So I thought it was going to be a screen So efforts that simple. Uh, it sells you something about the Cincinnati Bengals. Right there by the way first five possessions of the game, the Bengals ran eighteen blaze and managed twenty yards your Cincinnata Bengals the Rams when Jared Goff two touchdowns ran for another.

Jalen Ramsey's addition to the secondary worked out well yesterday. The defense enjoyed the productive day five sacks, a pick, a fumble return for a touchdown against the Falcons. Ramsey uh blanketed Julio Jones kept into six catch is for ninety three yards, so that worked out well. First returns. Rams are gonna stay in Atlanta. For those wondering about travel here, Rams are gonna stay in Atlanta to practice at Georgia Tech for a few days before flying into

London for the game against the Bengals. Because it's in London. We've talked about this before. It mutes what otherwise would be a bigger spread to me because the travel sort of mitigates it. So I will put it just shy of two touchdowns as opposed to two touchdowns are greater. I'll say Rams minus thirteen. Uh, it's twelve and a half or thirteen. I might be more proud of about that guest than anything. Yeah, that's a very good guests.

I'm gonna open twelve and a half. You know, I think this game will be a little closer than the third team. Can you kind of mentioned that it mitigates a lot of the high scoring and the bloilout factor. Sometimes I'm not sure that's always true good sometimes, But we're talking about some bad coaches. Zach Taylor. Is that the guy's just in Sinnati? Look, yeah, oh my god, where did they get this guy? I mean, he is

so bad. You know, he is just totally clueless. And like I said, if you have guys on the defensive lineman are reading plays like you know, come on, how simple an explanation? Right? Yeah? Yeah? And I mean I listen. The Brown family, who has owned the Bengals since their inception, is notoriously cheap, and they have taken the city of Cincinnati for a ride for low these many years. And I think this is just one more case. They found a kid that they you know, probably interviewed well and

had some people recommend him. He is not ready to be an NFL coach. And I think there's some guys that grow into their positions, certainly the case, and other guys that just don't have it. So far, I see nothing to tell me that this guy havn't you know, I'm going off on this tirade and I'm still open twelve and it happen instead of thirteen. It's kind of both numbers out there, but I'm gonna open twelve and a half just because I just think thirteen is a

little too high in this spot. And again, you're you're buying low on Cincinnati selling high a little bit on the Rams, and I think this number is a little bit out of hand. I wouldn't go crazy over it, but I'm gonna open twelve and half instead of thirteen. And there are both numbers around, but I'm gonna go with the lower number. Chrisie, has there been anything yet on the show that I've been like, what was the I guess Minnesota Washington is the one I was the

furthest off from. But even that doesn't really excite me that much. Um, But nothing yet that leaps off the page. So I'm wondering if we're gonna get to it, which one, Jeff I was gonna say, where I think we're on our way to get you predicted? You predict I'm gonna fall flat on my face. Well, maybe that's a good thing. Guess it's been the last couple of weeks. What's next, Chris Arizona at New Orleans Arizona and looks just say, yeah, Drew Brees is upgraded to questionable and so is the

Alvin for yeah. I mean, let's remember that about the New Orleans win yesterday. I think you point that's a good thing to point out. There was no Alvin Kamara, right, and there was no Jared Cook, Alvin Kamara with an ankle and knee, Jared Cook with an ankle. So Teddy Bridgewater didn't have them at his disposal yesterday, and they still crushed the Bears. The Saints go to five and oh without Drew Brees in their thirty six to twenty five win over the Bears, which, by the way, that score,

in case you're wondering, very cosmetic. It was helped along by an onside kick late. Um it was. It was much more of a blowout than that. Latavia's Murray carries a d nine yards too touchdowns. Teddy Bridgewater Teddy Bear twenty three or thirty eight for two eight one two touchdowns note picks Michael Thomas nine catches, one thirty one.

The Saints were seven of fifteen on third down out gained the Bears, as we mentioned, fifty two on the ground they outgained him one fifty one to seventeen, and again a time of possession mismatch thirty seven six thirty four. As far as the Cardinals who beat the Giants and did so as three and a half point dogs in the end, Kyler Murray. The up and down first year of Kyler Murray continues. Fourteen of twenty one for one oh four, no touchdowns, no picks. Did you have Chase

Edmonds going in your fantasy league? Chase Edmonds twenty seven carries for one six and three touchdowns. Cardinals were seven of fifteen on third down. They were one for one on fourth downs. I mean that's been Kyler Murray's thing third downs. He is been really good. Ten penalties though for the Cardinals for eighty five yards. They were plus three in turnovers versus the Giants. Their third straight win. They were oh three and one now they're three three

in one. They had eight sacks, as I mentioned of Daniel Jones, four of them in a forced fumble from Chandler Jones. Um that's said, because you're right, Drew Brees I even mentioned this last week Drew Brees was thinking about, or at least the Saints have been floating through reports anyway that Breeze might want to come act for this game, which is right before their bye week, when most would have sort of assumed they'll just wait him out through the bye week. And Drew Brees says he hasn't told

anybody yet. He's said to people, I know when I'm coming back. So this could very well be Drew Brees. Maybe they'll be Teddy Barry again. I don't know, but I'll say New Orleans by two touchdowns here at the super Dome. Wow, you're a little high. It's the nine nine and a half? Really yeah, I will lay that all day long. I'm kind of with you and this one. Now, they they numbers up with or without Drew Brees, and

you know, I believe these are accurate numbers. I mean, like I said, sometimes on my screen, I'm not sure if they scratch scratch the game on my screen? How is that only nine? But not in a half of that. I don't give me the Saints. Give me the Saints with you him for what it's worth. Gil. One other shop in town open the seven and a half, you'd stop it, so no, I'm just I'm just saying this open at seven and a half of the other places in town. Chris, what ligam we're watching here? What's going

on here? Well? You know, I've been anti Murray really thin today one and you know, he's been much much better than I anticipated, much better. I'll give him that. But so is New Orleans. I mean New Orleans. Like I said yesterday, a lot of wise guy money showed up, and I'm I'm not sure it was really on Chicago as much it was against New Orleans because of their injuries. Um, but this team has proven to be really, really good

and I have one very short better. I don't want to mention his name, but a lot of people would though exactly who it is who bet me on the Saints to win the NFC. He had a pretty good price on him, and he bet me on that. But I think he might be right. I think this might be the best team in the NFC. He might be uh And we've and we've been seeing this without Drew Breenes,

you know, a Hall of Fame quarterback. I'm gonna open ten and listen, listen, you never know what goes through the mind of a guy who's a competitive as Drew Brees's forty years old, still playing pretty good football. So I don't want to question, like I said, the personality, the you know, what made him what he is today. But they're nuts that they play in this game, you know. I mean, I would go with Teddy, you know, I don't think they would need him to win this game.

Teddy is doing just fine. He's not he's not Drew Brees yet, you know, but he's doing this fine. And you know, give Breese the extra week off and uh and then you've got to buy after that. So you know you're gonna get a healthy Breeds coming back. I'm gonna open this game ten and we'll see where they go from there. Yeah, they're doing it with offense, they're doing it with defense, they're doing with special teams. Well

rounded football team. And that's and that's the first headline line of today, that's for sure, because I think that's a really well coached and really home coached. Absolutely, let's do the last early game. The Oakland had Houston Oakland and Houston, UM Houston who we mentioned or maybe we didn't mention Houston yesterday they lose to the Indianapolis Colts in what was probably the biggest game of the day just in terms of a divisional game. Uh, Indianapolis with

a thirty to twenty three win. Houston, for their part, let's just focus on them. Deshaun Watson twenty three thirty four, three oh eight, one touchdown, two picks, sacked three times. How many times have we said the Deshaun Watson retroactive box score? And you could say this about a lot of guys, but it's really stark when it comes to Watson. When he is clean, they win. When he is not, it tends to be multiple sacks. So we get three

here for Deshaun Watson. UH. DeAndre Hopkins nine catches, one oh six for a touchdown, Stills four catches for one oh five. But uh, the Texans ten penalties fifty four yards. They were held the field goals on three red zone trips in the first half, had to contend with a rare in the grasp call that took one touchdown off the board, overturned replay review that put another one on

the board for Indie, and the plethora of penalties. As I mentioned, fourth quarter, Houston started it by failing to convert a second fourth in one attempt, then to Shawn through an interception on the Texans next series, before Darius Leonard sealed the win by picking off a tip pass with twenty six seconds left. So Houston loses. They dropped to four and three. Oakland. Um. Look, the end of that first half was everything in that game, everything right,

and and Derek Carr has done this before. It's the old. It's the old reach over the goal line to try to get a touchdown and the ball gets loses possession. It goes through the end zone, doesn't you know, fumble out of bounds in play on the field, on the playing field, but through the end zone. And the NFL rule, which to me is the dumbest rule in sports, gives

the ball to the opposing team. I do not understand the logic of that, because you are incentivised to reach over, and if you're incentivized to reach over the Drew Brees wave kind of thing, then that does it just get the ball, give the give the Saints, excuse me, give the Raiders the ball back of the twenty or something, but to it change possession. It's just a rule that

makes no sense to me, so Derek Carr. Instead of the Raiders making this a close game, they're down fourteen ten at the time, and Car puts them a position to retake the lead with the forty eight yard completion down the middle to Waller gave Oakland first and goal at the four. The second down scrambled them by Car at the pylon um Blake Martinez forces the fumble, goes

through the end zone for a touchback. The next time Oakland basically got the ball, they did get one play because this is with seconds left, because immediately green Bay goes down and scores with seconds left in the first half, so instead of it being seventeen fourteen Raiders, it's one ten Packers. The Raiders have only time for one nonsense play. At the end of the first half, green Bay gets the ball first and the second they score again. It's

a seventeen fourteen shift seventeen fourteen Raiders Packers. That's the game. It's over and the Raiders fall to three and three. I'll say Houston by six at Houston, do a little light at six and a half, and boy, I'll tell you what I was. You know, it was not a big game for the South Point. You know, we were pretty even on that. Uh, the early money was on the Raiders. Late money came back on the Packers, so

we were pretty much dead even on the games. But I had opened and a couple of contests, so I was really Prokland. I wanted to kill car. I mean, I hate that play. And we had to debate the rule all you want. I mean, that's not the point. The point is that is the rule. Yeah, and he did it last year and again, by the way, it's with his off hand, which is with his left hand, and you just assume that his right hand is gonna be a little stronger, so it's a left hand that

he's reaching over like that. And remember last year he said after a game, somebody asking would you do that again? I would do it the exact same way. Oh, so you're confirming that you're an idiot. He didn't learn anything. Well, yes, there was another confirmation that he didn't learn a damn thing. You know, he did the exact same thing again with this off hand, reaching it like that. So I mean they have third and goal from like the one inch line. That's not a bad position of being. Oh my god,

I mean it was such a stupid play. And I can tell you this, I am now totally off car. I mean, I hope they don't resign him for the same as well. And I would tepe his house when he's living in Henderson or Southern Highlands. He's never gonna make it. The Los Vegas Broodens gonna kill this guy, not not only get the Vegas, not only is crazy coming back to Vegas. He's t being houses for God's sake. You know. Somebody tweeted that to me. I'm not I'm too old to do that stuff, you know. I mean,

that is just such a dumb playing. Like I said, I didn't hear his comments after this game and after the last time, and then he said I would do the exact same thing. Well, I'm sorry, that is just dumb dumb football. Can I and uh, that's enough on my tyrant. I am opening six and a half and I you know, as long as cars there, that will

never be a winning game. I'm sorry they will not win the I'm not absolving Jon Gruden, like I mean, if if only he had a coach, do you think if he was if Bill Belichick was his coach, you think he'd ever do that? Again after the first time. No Belichick, that again, and you ever do that again, and you're out of here. You're out of here for good. Not John Gluten. John was, yeah, I keep doing it. Yeah,

it's good football. You know. I hate to say, because the guy was much much better than car but Bret Farve had some horrible, horrible mistakes in his career throwing, you know, still still advised passes the resulted in turnovers. And I remember after games he was, I'm gonna that's the way I'd play. I'm gonna keep playing my game. You know, he'd have been so much better if somebody would have just throttled him and says, no, that is

not We know how great you are. And he was a great quarterback, tremendous town that he made some dumb, dumb plays over his career. He did. Listen, he won one Super Bowl. If he was a smarter quarterback, he'd have three or four in his in his pocket. One. I agree with that. At least at least more than one. For sure, at least more than one. Yeah, at least more than one. And uh, you know, I see some of these guys and you know it again, part of it is their mental attitude that have made him so great.

The car is not that great, by the way, and he should learn to play this game a little better because that was just a stupid, stupid play. We'll come back, We'll do the afternoon games. We gate guessing lines right here with Chrissy Andrews on a numbers game at Visa. Welcome back to a Numbers game with Jill Alexander. If you've been thinking about subscribing a Visas All Access All Access plan rather and now's the time to make the move.

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are we out of order? Did something happen? Yeah? And NFL and NFL scheduling swaps, so that the last game we just talked about that would be a four four East Pacific. That Oakland, Texan game was flipped with Indie and Denver and he never goes at one o'clock East. Chris A kidding, just scolding Chris A. Okay, so there's a flipp in his schedule, all right, so let's do so what's next schedule? Right? There? Will be all right? All right? So what's the next game? Then? Uh? Carolina

at San Francisco. Carolina and San Francisco, San Francisco undefeated. They beat the Redskins nine to nothing in the slop uh FedEx field is the Niners were just uh slip sliding in the in the rain yesterday six and over the third time in franchise history, first since Kyle Shanahan, Uh he remembers from being O, C and D C

FedEx Field surface uh is not good, especially in clement weather. Uh. The San Francisco d after holding the Rams of seven points last week the Browns the three before that, Niners are the first team now since two thousand five and six since nineteen nine to limit an opponent to seven or fewer points in fewer than two yards of offense three straight games. More than half the people there Niners fans yesterday at FedEx Field, a trend that the Redskins

are also familiar with. Even a let's go Niners chant broke out its point, so way to go d C. You still have the Mystics and maybe the Nets. Uh. And then Carolina off the bottom Capitals and the Capitals one year removed will still say the Caps, Yeah, Caps a little sneaky futures play. I think of the NHL this year. Caroline is coming off of bye. They when we last saw them were beating Tampa Bay in London, San Francisco minus four and a half. Chris, Okay, it's

it's high the half and kind of choe. I thought that was a little white. I think had like the sixth better and I think I'm gonna open at six. I think of that UM Carolina coming off of by that's probably gonna help them. I agree with that. I'm starting to believe in that San Francisco team. Uh, what's the weakest link on their taking fight be Jimmy Garoppolov and they have They really have a good running game, they have a great defense. I think his team is very,

very legit, and I'm gonna open six. I think it's a little bit better number. I think this number is going to go out myself. I got him to win the West plus before the season, considering a of a NFC or Super Bowl play on them as well. What's another afternoon game Denver at Indianapolis. This is the one that's actually in the morning now, Jeff Okay, So Denver Indeapolis originally schedule for afternoon is noway morning game Denver coming off of by. UM No, no, no, excuse me,

extra rest party, yeah, extra rest. They lose to Kansas City badly on Thursday. And then there's the Colts that we talked about to beat the Texans. Jacoby Brissette. I'm gonna say it again, Christie, I know you want to leave through the phone and choke me. Is it really that big a drop off from Andrew Luck twenty six of thirty nine twenty six of thirty nine for three twenty six, four touchdowns, no picks, career high in touchdowns. Six of his incompletions were throwaways, so make it thirty

three if you want to do that. He had a career best in passing total and yards, a career best pass a rating one point seven. Zach Pascal by the way, as biggest target six and one of six two touchdowns. They were eight of six seen on third downs were the Colts um Colts by a touchdown minus seven. Uh six and a half. I'm not sure I don't like your number better, but I see, uh, I see a

six in the hallway place that I and I highly respect. Yeah, I think I like your number better, although, like I said, I'm gonna respect them with their number at six, and I'm opening six and a half, and that's what I see, primarily a six and a half. I see one seven with a bunch of juice on the dog, which kind of translates to a six and a half anyway. So I'm gonna open at six and a half. But I'll tell you if I see this one creeping higher, I will creep it higher. My own self, will creep my

own self. I don't think. I don't think Denver is a very good thing, and I think Indianapolis is really a very legit team. And since we're on the subject to quarterback, and then I had this kind of a team when Andrew Luck was playing, Andrew Luck would still be playing. And by the way, let me remind you what we had the we put up the m v P s before the season. Betting on the m v P it was the second choice behind the homes. So yes, there's a difference. But all that being said, I like

Jacoby Brisett. He's done really well and really gotten better and better as the years gone on. And I think I think, you know legitimate starting quarterback. Ladies, gentlemen, noted Andrew Luck advocate and apologist Chris Andrews my two friends. I don't have to apologize. I will tell you this. Uh, for me, the debate was seven or seven and a half. So for you to say six and a half, that surprises me. On that game, you're like, you're like that kind of do too, Yeah and do all right? So

what's the last afternoon game? Uh, Cleveland at New England. Okay, so not much to say here. Cleveland off of by New England's sight unseen. Tonight they play the Jets. They're nine and a half road favorites, not and a half point. I haven't seen some ten's out there. Um really depending on where you go at the Jets tonight. Um, I don't know, it's gonna be more than a touchdown. So again,

we haven't seen the Patriots yet. The Patriots are not though they're undefeated, they look like they have some chinks in the armor. I mean, I'll say, I'll say it's seven and a half. I'll probably I'm probably too light there, but it's got to be more than a touchdown. Um, I'll just say seven and a half as a placeholder. Yeah, you're way light. It's ten and a half. Mhm um. You know it's probably a pretty good spot for Cleveland.

It's yeah, yeah, in New England coming off the short rest because they're gonna be playing tonight and coming right back you know. Um, you know, his Bilichick going to fall prede to that short less, probably less than any other coach, but still his players will. I mean, there's not some sort of magic formula in New England. I mean,

those guys are gonna be a little bit more sore. Uh, you know throughout the week that they will be in Cleveland, who is just like I said coming off, I'll buy and it's gonna have their like their practices make the ten and a half's probably a shade too high. But even tonight, I got some biggest sure on New England, and I have a ceiling we're I think we're nine

and a half on the game. I'm gonna probably go to ten after this once I get the what if, because I think they're gonna be highly in favor of me meeting the dog. So I'm an open ten and a half. You never have to beg too much for a New England money, and I have a feeling that won't have to beg for it next week, you know.

So if you if you want New England, you want to bet New England at the south Point, run quickly in the next twenty minutes before Christie post them, I would say, yeah, you got you got twenty two minutes. The only the only thing I would say about me, you don't want it if it's ten and a half. I gravitate towards Cleveland, it would go against everything I stand for, right, I would be betting on Freddie Kitchens against against Bill Belichick. So like I can't come on again.

You're saying there's a coaching different area. Is the team that I'm picking up might be a little some We'll come back. We'll do the primetime game Sunday night, Monday night. We gate in the NFL. Aaron Rodgers twenty five of thirty one for four nine, five touchdowns at a pick excuse me, five touchdowns no picks. Ran for another. It is the first perfect passer rating of Aaron Rodgers career. Can you believe that? One? Fifty eight point three uh

season high for the Packers and points in that game. Uh, even with Davante Adams out by the way, no Davante Adams, Green Bay still puts up um forty two points in that ball game. Winners Valdez Scantling two catches, one three touchdown and then Kansas City will be Matt Moore, not Patrick Mahomes will be on extra rest, but they won't have their m v P quarterback. So because of that quarterback changes, we talked about what's the difference between Mahomes

and more It's a bunch of points. It's more than a touchdown, So I'll say it's Green Bay minus three. On the road it's four. I'm not sure I disagree with that four. By the way we met, I mentioned QBR an awful lot um, So it's one zero and the Rogers was ninety seven point two, certainly the highest of the week. That may be some higher. It's pretty hard to get a hundred hard to get, and I remember seeing some ninety eight and stuff out there over

the years. That's a pretty darny good passive rate to b R. And I'm sure what do you got to do to get a hundred with unbelievable yesterday? Certainly his best game of the year without without his main receiver, although what's the one guy? I had a big game? My notes here, uh vast two catches but a hundred and thirty three yards. I'm not sure I ever heard of it before yesterday, you know, but he certainly makes a big place like green day four. I see a strain.

I even see one three with some juice on the favorite. I see some three and asks, but I like four. Listen, Uh, you know, I don't think Kansas City number one. I don't think they're the home field advantage that we've been used to over the years. For giving that much credit. And there's an article about one of the one of the newspapers got a hold of me, talked about home field advantages really hasn't been that prevalent in the NFL

this year. And I think there's a lot of reasons for that, coaching being one of them, the way teams traveled being another one. But I don't think that's a huge home field advantage for Kansas City here, certainly not in this spot. And more, I mean, you know, the guy's been around, he's capable, but again he's not He's not great. You kind of know what we're agatting with them. I think four is plenty, and again you're probably buying greening me a little bit high, but I'm not sure

that's not the late price. I think I like four in this scheme. All right, Jeff tells me, because Jeff knows my my guess is in advance. Jeff tells me that this game, this Monday night game, is my most far off guests of the year coming up. So the matchup is who again Miami and Pittsburgh. Okay, Pittsburgh coming off of by Miami coming off they're lost to the Bills yesterday, but covering, And we talked about the Dolphins

last week. No way I thought it should be that number of seventeen, especially midweek when it when it shifted from Josh Roseen Ryan Fitzpatrick. The Dolphins end up covering. Almost snatched a push from the jaws of a cover, but should have covered easily, and they do end up covering. So my Ryan Fitzpatrick yesterday two eighty two, one touchdown, one pick against the Bills, one of his seven former teams. UH. The Dolphins were up fourteen to nine after two consecutive

seventy five yard drives engineered by Fitzpatrick. UM cut the Bills lead twenty one with a touchdown scamper later. By that time it was over. The Bill's six game streak of not giving up more than seventeen points was snapped, and UH the Bills first time this year they've not held an opponent two or fifty yards passing, actually fourteen games in a row, so that that's what Fitzpatrick did. He exceeded that number. Miami loses UM worst start since

it lost its first seven and the eleven. But his performance yesterday again after they were outscored on to forty two over their first five games, you know, that should that should drive it home to people. This is a serviceable quarterback. I know he throws it all around the yard, but it's Ryan Fitzpatrick is not Josh Rosen. The out first down the bill seventeen. There was seven of thirteen on third downs, two of two on fourth downs. They outgained Buffalo three and one to three or five. They

were minus two in turnovers. Brian Flores says, Ryan Fitzpatrick, you're starting next week, I have Pittsburgh minus seven and a half. Jeff just laughed at me. You know, as soon as you said that, I knew you were worried. I wish somebody would have captain into my brain because I knew you were gonna make it seven and a half. I knew it. It's fourteen and a half of fifteen. Come on, come on, I even see one sixteen with quite a bit of juice on the dog. So we

should probably call it fifteen or fifteen and a half. Yeah, fourteen and a half of fifteen. You know, let me just say this, your numbers, right, I don't think it's right. But this is way too high, way too high. Stop it. What are we doing a Steeler fan? I mean even like I had, I've had dogs over the years where I've made him. I've got him in black and golf so that I can I name my one dog Ruoney after the Ruoney families. I am as Steeler Van period.

This is way do I wait? This is not only my furthest off guest of the year, This is my furthest off guest of all time in the history of guessing lines. I think so. I think so. In other words, you're getting a one game teaser if you played Miami according to your number, right, Chris, we gotta take a break. We'll come back, We'll get We'll go through the games that we love the most. I'll have something else to say about this. It's coming up on a numbers game

right here at Visa. Welcome back to a numbers game with Jill Alexander. I'm just gonna point it out laugh every Monday when you want all of these have come our way or are the results have proven us right consistently on guessing lines as that's my farthest off guests of all time, Chrissy, what are you finally putting up the Pittsburgh line at Officially, I'm gonna use fourteen just because I see it as high as fifteen and a couple of spots. But I'm gonna over fourteen. I know

they're gonna bet me. That's that's fine. That's what we're here, a ford. Uh So come on and lay the fourteen. If you're a believer, you might not get a better number all week. But there's a Steeler fan that's just that's just too high. My line is better between you and me, it's better. I'm taking Pittsburgh. I'm taking I'm excuse me. I'm taking Miami because it's absolutely ridiculous. I'll

take them for a second straight week. I'm taking New Orleans because I think that's way low against the Cardinals. And I'm taking the Colts. If you're telling me that the Colts are six and a half against the Broncos off the key number of seven, I will take the Colts all day long. So those are the three I like the best. You boy, I would have to agree with you all three of those, you know, I I really think you're right, you know? Um, I like in

addition to those three, I like Tennessee. I think this number really should have been a solid three. It's really two and a half. I think that's what I'm going to open, because a lot of time to make an adjustment. If I put up three, I know which way they're betting. I like Philly, Um not a numbers play, but I just think it's like I said, you're buying low someone high a little bit, a little bit on Buffalo, but you're definitely buying low on Philadelphia. And then the three

ding you mentioned. I like myself and I kind of like San Francisco a little bit too. I think that numbers a little cheak Chrissy, I love you, Thank you so much. Man. We'll do it again next week. Always fun. Yes, sir, hopefully I will see you this Yes, the return of Chris and thank you, hope hopeful, fingers crossed. Thank you everybody listening. Good luck with all your bets tonight