Beating The Book: 2019 NFL MegaPod Week 13 Preview

wishing it. Mikey, how you doing, man, We're doing great. I'm on a show, uh where the other two hosts are thankful to be alive, so I have to be extra thankful. Yes, thank you very much. I know I am after what happened last week, so yes, I certainly am. Mike Palm, the conciliary to Derik Stevens, the vice president operations over there at Circus Sports, and of course the third party from Shoe Times, Smash docuseries Action. It's Todd WISHNEV was happening to Dot Hey, how you doing man?

You good? I'm good? All right, Well, this has been a fascinating conversation. Mike. Let's start with the Circus Sports Quarterly Update who won the quarterly prize well, and there was another fascinating finish Joe Um. The key set up to the whole weekend was the Packers not covering on Sunday night as I think eight out of the top ten or some number eight out of the top twelve

at the Packers, So that opened it up. So it came down to four entries, two of them in the house at sixteen and four, UM Booty Blockers who is actually the current leader of the contest at forty three and a half points, and Miss Kan who was a group of two gentlemen from Michigan and both and their sons who hung out at Long Bar. Now they had an interesting strategy. They played all five of the ten AM Pacific games. They said, we're gonna go bay or

go home. If we hit them all, we're gonna start partying. If we don't do well, we'll forget about it. If we go three and two or four and one, then we'll have to study the results to uh. They were a half game out going in study the results to see about hedging. Then there were two entries at thirteen five excuse me, at fifteen UM three and one fifteen and a half points, but we're live to the Rams plus three and a half. And that was Al Cabong, who's James Selina's friend of East and your friend UH.

Prolific contest winner both Westgate two thousand and fifteen, he one it all two thousand and sixteen, he finished third. He won the inaugural Visa in College Basketball Handicapping March Madness Tournament as well. And then and then another entry d s I. So it came down to this, either if if the Rams covered, then James Salinas and the other entry we're gonna split UH and get basically seventy

two each. Or if Baltimore covered, then Booty Blockers and Michikan we're gonna win with sixteen points against seventy two thousand each. Three of the four entries hedged with us UM. James Hedge thirty thousand, UH at thirty thousand on Baltimore three and a half. Because the line stayed the same, he got thirty thousand that minus three and a half. Even you were you were the only guys who had even at that point in the day. The other entry,

the other instry that was in his spot. I think at thirty seven thousand, almost halfing it halfing to win, and and then the Michigan group who eventually won heads thirteen thousand on Baltimore since if the Rams covered, they were going to get knocked out. So it was interesting the way it played out. Obviously it was a route.

And uh, the Booty Blockers and Michikan split up on our first shared pool as we had had individual winners in quarter one and two, so it went seventeen seventeen and a half, and then quarter three the winners were at sixteen sixteen and four wins it and you said, and you said, Booty Blockers is now leading the whole thing. Boody Blockers, who wins quarter three has a two game lead over m J Tade forty three and a half

to forty one and a half. CB Elite who won the first quarter is five points back at thirty eight and a half and Concrete and he's in thirteen tied fort and Concrete. Mike, who won the second quarter is tied for twenty nine at thirty seven, six and a

half points back. Wow. Wow. That of course for the million dollar prize ten prizes cash and this is a five week quarterly because it's the seventeen week season, so this one is a five week and it begins Todd, We're all oh and oh again, we can all try to win a hundred forty three thousand dollars, okay, Todd. Todd is like, you know, when Arsenio Hall had Eddie

Murphy on the show. Arsenio Hall and Eddie Burphy were great friends, and Eddie Murphy never used to come on the Arsenio Hall Late night show, and finally one day he decided to, and he decided he was going to be the worst guest ever, just to mess with our cideo and so our Cidio would ask him these long, very thoughtful questions and Eddie would go, yes, that's Todd today. Yes, Gil.

I like to share a story at the beginning, please, Over the course of having a bit role on Vista, to begin with two and a half years ago, and then more of a role the last year being on My Guys and then other shows Mitch and Paul and your show. I've had literally hundreds, maybe even a thousand people come downtown to meet me, meet me and Derek at even though they're staying on the strip or somewhere else. Last week for the first time, I had two people

come down because they listened to the megapod. Uh to two gentlemen. They live in other areas now, but one graduated from Iowa State and one from northern Iowa. And so I feel like I finally arrived. Now now now you have reached the big time. Yes, the megapod which is in its that was a great story. Mike, can can you give us another forty five seconds on on boring this? Todd? It was a story because it has to do with the Mega pond. Now I know how Dr Bob fell a ninth year of the megapod. Todd,

don't knock it. The mega pod is you know what everyone listens to? Of course it is. UM let us begin then with any Thursday listen. We usually we've talked with Thursday night thoughts, and we're doing this on a Thursday today. UM. We will incorporate these into our best bets. But there are three Thanksgiving games, of course, Chicago at Detroit in the morning. Chicago now four point favorites across

the board. As we learn that perhaps it's not Jeff Driscoll starting at quarterback for Detroit, it might be David Blow out of Purdue. Jeff Driscoll has a hamstring issue. He's day to day, so we'll see about that. Then as Dallas touchdown favorites at home against Buffalo and New Orleans touchdown meaning seven point favorites on the road against Atlanta in the nightcap, are any of these games? First of all? Do you have any thoughts on any of these three games? And then are any of these into

your best bets? Mikey, it's gonna take the under in the Bears. I know he loves that about it. I'll tell you y'all, this is gonna be a run range away train on the Bears. I wish I could have got one and a half like Mitch Moss took early in the week. Um, now, are you know we put the circuit contest lines out at ten am today, twenty four hours ahead of time because of the Thanksgiving games, and we got this at four and a half. Four

and a half, yeah, four and a half. So what does that tell you where you think the money is gonna right there? Shading it already? Yes, already? Um, I don't know if I want to lay uh lay even three and a half right now? With with the m V p Mitch on the road. Um, but David Blow was nothing special at at Purdue, Todd, I am tempted to play under thirty eight here. I don't know I even though the line. What is it? Tell me what the line is before I start talking. Okay, don't Mike,

don't tip your hands, just ask for it first. Well, he know I was gonna play this under any how, What is it now? Thirty two? Todd? Why don't you do what we are? Please do? Mike says thirty eight? I say no, it's thirty seven? Gil? What is it? Whoa? And we have another winner? All right? What's the total on the Dallas Buffalo game? First, here's my first best bet, Gil under forty seven. I'm gonna take a page out of the Todd wish Ne Debbie Downer playbook and go

Dallas under. As he's explained for many weeks why Dallas is a great under team because they want that. Yeah, I understand, but you still say it in every week. Uh. What what I want to say here, though, is this Bill's defense is ferocious, and I actually think this is my best bet under forty seven. But I like an opportunity here if Buffalo takes the lead early and you can still get them plus money in game. I'm gonna

hammer the bills in this game. I think Dallas is right with their mentality to lose this game at home on Thanksgiving, and I believe in this Buffalo deepense. I also think Jake Allen can hurt you more with his feet than his arm. And the why is this number going up? I don't know how it open, but I'll go under. Josh Allen can also beat you with his feet in his arm, You said, Jake Allen, Josh Allen, that's all right, getting logan Allen. Um, it's an interesting

that's all right. It's an interesting game. I mean one, you know, I said on the radio this morning, Dallas is six and five. They're one game up in the NFC East. If they're as good as they're supposed to be, right with all that talent, shouldn't they beat Buffalo handily? Like? Isn't this again because Buffalo hasn't beaten anybody Dallas, by the way, I hadn't beatn all that many great teams either, But buffalo schedule has really been patsy to this point.

So there's that, and then there's this thing where you see if you turn on ESPN, all you see this morning is is this Jason Garrett's last game? You know, is he get if he if they if they this up, that it used up on ESPN. But if they mess this up, you know, is this the end of Jason Garrett? Based on what Jerry Jones had to say after that Patriots game where the Cowboys, by the way, completely got hosed on those phantom tripping penalties down the stretch, didn't

give them a chance to perhaps win that game. Dak Prescott was nineteen of thirty three for two twelve against the Pats in that terrible weather, no touchdowns, one pick, It was not sacked at all. They were two of thirteen on third downs, but I mean the weather had a lot to do with that one. But Amori Cooper was held without a catch in that game. Patriots held the Cowboys without a touchdown for the first time this season.

They basically took away Cooper and Jason Witten, as Bill Belichick is want to do, taken away your your biggest targets, and they stacked the box on first and second down. And then Jerry Jones after the game was like, you know, hey, that's all great, but special teams is coaching, and he was taking his coaches to task. Um Buffalo best record through eleven games since nineteen nineties six, they are at eight and three are the UH are the Buffalo Bills.

This is a big test for them again, seven point dogs. Josh Allen was fifteen of twenty five and they're twenty three rout of Denver for two touchdowns, one pick, sacked one, Stevin Singletary twenty one for one oh six, and Frank Gore became the third leading rusher in NFL history. They limited the Broncos, did the Bills. They limited of the Broncos to one hundred and thirty four yards and nine first downs while forcing eight punts. So under Dallas, Buffalo,

that is your play. That's your first best bet as well, Todd, any thoughts on either the first two early games. I I lean with mikey on that. I'm not going to use it as one of my picks, but I think he's right about this under UH, you know in the Cowboys, the Cowboys, Buffalo should be able to hold them down and Buffalo and We'll have a hard time scoring. So I like, I like what Mike's going with there and then New Orleans at Atlanta is the final of the

three games. Any thoughts there, guys. I don't like it. I don't like it. I I I don't want to offend the people in the Southeast, but it's just a point of this. Seems like the late game is always an NFC South South game. Now. I remember when they used to have an NFC West game, And maybe it's a regional bias, but regional bias, but you know, having uh the Seahawks or play somebody here. I know they set the schedule away ahead of time, but it's just kind of a letdown game for me. I'd rather see

Texas and Texas A and M. What's college football? We got Old miss in Mississippi State Thursday night. Yeah, by the way, I love Mississippi getting two and a half. And you were saying the wrong team is favorite in this one in your opinion, I really believe that. Look at the comparative scores against at SEC West schedule. Every team Mississippi State has been ten points closer to Mississippi

has been ten points closer than Mississippi State. What I think Mississippi can score and uh, I think they're better on both sides of the ball. I like it. Do you like it better than Buffalo Dallas under? If you had one pick on Thursday, would you play the college one? Well, it's it's a road game in a rivalry game, so I'll stay with the Dallas play Okay, Dallas A Buffalo under is Mikey's first best bet. Uh, let's go to the real deal then, So that's Mike's first bet, Todd,

what's yours? Well, First of all, if you don't want to watch New Orleans Atlanta at five o'clock five twenty local time here in Vegas on Thursday night, and you're sick of arguing with your relatives, come on down to the Orleans for to dremendous college basketball games where you can literally sit in the front row and heckle the crap out of those kids. After you make your in game bet, and if you have the over, you can

just scream what what? Or if you have the under, slow down, or if the coaches are telling their players what to do, you can, you know, do the same thing as they're doing in s fantast Todd, this is not a local Las Vegas podcast, though, so that that only hit on like a very small percentage of the audience. You want to come, as Mike will tell you, for Thanksgiving is a destinations Okay, okay, Bill, come down of the Orleans to hear you screaming stuff like that. What's

your first best bet? That my first my first best bet. I want to get a good number. I'm gonna go with the Carolina Panthers against the Doug Williams, I mean Clem Haskins led Washington Redskins Carolina minus ten. Is that the correct number? By the way. That is so I'll take the Carolina Panthers against the Washington Redskins. Why well, you may ask me who's the quarterback of the Redskins. I believe that's Clem Haskins or whatever name is, Dwayne Haskins.

I call him Clemt. The point is he spinks and I don't that when the Detroit gave them a gift win. Remember the Redskins got one touchdown on a kickoff return. They also got a couple more gifts field goal. They stink. Okay and Carolina at home. They seem to get their mojo back last week against New Orleans. All they have to do is whoop up on the Redskins by ten. I don't think there should be much of a problem.

Haskins could throw three picks. Give me Carolina minus ten. Well, I hate to mush you here because my pre flop has really not been that good. That's an understatement, but I like Carolina minus ten too. On Guessing Lines on Monday with Chrissy Andrews from the South Point Hotel Casino Sports Book, the director of that sports hook. Uh, this

was one of the three lines. First of all, let me just say this week thirteen, this was one of these guessing lines situations where nothing was that far off, Like, these are pretty tight these lines, and CAROLINEA minus ten. If I was searching for ones to like, that was kind of the one. And it was basically, as you said, Todd, just picking on Dwayne Haskins junior Dwayne Haskins Jr. Who was taking a selfie while the Redskins were in victory formation against the Lions last week, a game they had

no business winning. They only had two hundred thirty total yards of offense. Uh. Dwayne Haskins only completed thirteen passes. He was thirteen of twenty nine for one fifty six, no touchdowns, one pick Zack three times. Redskins had eight penalties for sixty three yards. By the way, Josh Norman doesn't even play defense anymore, They only put him in on special teams. But Quentin Dunbar intercepted Jeff Dristco in the final minute Dustin Hopkins from thirty nine yards and

the Redskins won their second game of the year. But nothing about that leads me to believe that the Panthers can't destroy them even in defeat. Carolina should have won that game, by the way, against New Orleans, it's amazing they didn't um Joey Sly really choked twenty eight yard field goal at the end. Kyle Allen is going to find Dj Moore. He is going to have a big day in the air, and Christian McCaffrey is going to fill up the box score, both on the ground and

in the passing game as well. I like Carolina as well. I know it's given a whole bunch of points, but the Skins are as terrible as they were even before that. When Carolina minuston my best bet as well, Mike pick number two. What are we seen on the game? And Jacksonville, what are you looking for? The spread or the total. Uh, this is a pick them consensus. I I say that because I know Todd will play the total. Uh. I'm gonna take Sir Jameis Winston and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

at a pick wow. Wow, I think talk about the Toronto Maple leaves quitting on my Bagcock, I mean, what what is going on in Jacksonville the last two weeks at two division games where they just give us cower? Mike, you're out on the NHL network. Enough with the hockey. Come on, God, I don't say a skin word when you're given your lame mask against Wayne Haskins. House shut. That's awesome, But green Haskins is a football player, Mike. Enough of Clem Haskins. I think Jameis Winston they have

the better team here. I know that they're prone to turnovers, but I know on a Jacksonville team that has nothing to play for, I thought this number would be too like the Buccaneers would be a two point favorite in this game, maybe two and a half. I just don't see Jacksonville beating them here. What do they have to play for? What they give up a hundred seventy points to Bright Hannah Hill last week in Tennessee. I'm going with Tampa Bay. Yeah, you know, a lot of what

you said. By the way, there's a few Jacksonville minus ones out there, but consensus pick them. A lot of what you said could apply to Tampa Bay as well. But I get it because Tampa Bay at least shows up from time to time. They beat Atlanta thirty five to twenty two, beat him handily last week. Tampa Bay is such a weird team, right because like every week Jamis throws for over three hundred yards. I think he's done it five straight weeks now, uh six, excuse me,

six straight weeks he's throwing for three hundred yards. But then there's bad Jamis. Right, He's been picked off in NFL high twenty times. So every time you're betting this, you're betting on good Jamis showing up. It was their second win, by the way for the Bucks in their last seven games. Last week. They did have four hundred forty six total yards against Atlanta, so I mean they

can get it done. Chris Godwin filling up a statuet even more than Mike Evans uh and Jacksonville was just miserable against the Titans in that flurry in the third quarter. So Tampa Bay is a pick. Yeah, And I'd like to mention this too. In the common game where Jacksonville just got run out of Tennessee, Tampa Bay got totally jobbed in a game they should have won. On several accounts. They out gained them, they got a terrible call on a block field goal. I just think Tampa is a

better team. Todd pick number two, I'm mourning you don't land on one that I have. Well, you know, I was thinking about going act to Tampa over, but I have a feeling that the overstreet could come to an end finally against jackson I think I'm gonna I may lay off Tampa over this week after I've you know, said Tampa over a thousand times in a row, and it's gone over a thousand times a row. So I am thinking about a different ballgame for my second pick,

and that's gonna be the Oakland raid Is. Oakland raid Is got their asses handed to them, very similar to the way you guys got your asses handed to you in tennis. In the Las Vegas Invitational over and over, it was a very similar scenario where the Oakland Raiders lost thirties seven to through a thirty four to three against the New York Jets. Very surprising outcome with how well the Raiders have played this year. I don't think the Raiders are gonna play as bad and that probably

got the attention of the boys. Uh Gruden probably said, knock on would if you're with me, men, because we're not getting blown out again. Now Here's why. Kansas City has a tendency to be very high scoring, but doesn't seem to be able to stop anyone. And they never seem to cover these big spreads because the back doors are always open. By the way, remember how early in the season when they crushed the Ravens and the Ravens still got the back door. We were all like, wow,

he look glad they couldn't cover. Blah blah blah blah blah. Boy how things have changed. But anyways, they never seemed to cover these big numbers. If Oakland's down sixteen late, you've got a good chance to at least push or cover. I'm gonna take the ten points with the Raiders. I think they have a good offense. They have a crappy defense, but a good enough offense to get them back door touchdowns here and get inside the ten points. So give me Raiders plus ten. Todd, my friend, I am op

o you on this game. I am too. I am taking the Kansas City Chiefs that I am. Get your record with the Chiefs this year it has been stellar. It's about five on um. No, yeah, no, yeah, I think so have you done it? Yeah? Please do the research. By the way, when Todd says he's going to do the research, that's the last we ever hear about it. So don't expect. Don't expect to study somebody out there. That's right. Um, here's the thing. I have all the

little cards here. I can just look at it. All right, Todd, What does that have to do with this game? By the way, what does it have to do? I just wanted to make funny. You go ahead, all right, Well, here's the deal. Derek Carr. Last week against the the New York Jets, in which the Oakland Raiders were destroyed thirty four to three. By the way, the week before that, they should not have beat the Cincinnati Bengals. I the Bengals were any modicum of a football team, they would

have lost that one to Oakland. But Car last week against the Jets fifteen twenty seven for one twenty seven, no touchdowns. One Picky was sacked once by the way, that pick was a pick six. He was pulled by coach John Gruden with just under two minutes left in the third quarter. Even went to Terry Glennon, excuse me, Mike Glennon, as John Gruden likes to call him, Mike Glenn's four or seven for twenty in relief. Josh Jacobs was held at ten carries for thirty or four yards.

They were destroyed by the Jets. Period. Kansas City is on extra rest here after their Mexico City win over the Charge first game in Oakland, Kansas City had that second quarter flurry of touchdowns if you remember that, we're that allowed them to beat the Raiders uh that day points in the second half of that game because I got screwed night over. It was at the half and somehow went under. Yeah, you could say all you want about the Kansas City Chiefs defense, and you'd be right.

But you know what defense is even worse than the Kansas City Chiefs defense, the Raiders defense. And this is Patrick Mahomes with full throttle in this game with Tyree Hill and Company. Derek Carr, we like to make fun I mentioned this on the Guessing Lines. We like to make fun of Jared Golf, and justifiably so. When that California kid gets in cold weather and he looks like he's in a thirty two below blizzard when it's actually

just thirty two degrees fairy night. That game in Chicago last night was just like, oh my god, it's so cold. I can't function. Derek Carr in games that start with the temperature below fifty degrees fahrenheit, Lifetime two and nine, straight up, way better, way better than that. Don't don't see you. Don't try to think you're smarter than the room. Here, You're not. Here's the deal. It's gonna be for the

high on Sunday in Kansas City. The high will be forty one degrees, so you're looking at temperatures in the thirties game time for this, I expect Derek Carr to wilt. I get it. That was a straight up record, not an a t S record. But I think the Chiefs blow the doors off this game. I think they route the Raiders, who have been a complete fraud up until this point this season. By the way, a big loss for the Raiders here. No Hunter Renfro. Hunter Renfro has

bailed them out a lot on offense. That's a huge loss for the Raiders. I think the Chiefs are better off without that too. So we're APO, Toddy, We're APPO. We'll see how it plays out. Alright, Mikey number three. I wish to acquire as to the Monday night football total. The Monday night football great game, by the way, Minnesota at Seattle. The total is fifty. Well, now hold on, let me let me and a half. Yeah, I'm gonna sit hold on. No, it leans fifty though, doesn't it, Todd,

So give him fifty. I think it's fifty fifty by a hair. That's better because he's gonna go under. I actually, if you were giving me forty nine and a half, I was going over. But since it's fifty, I'm gonna go under. Here. I knew he was going under. He always goes under. Have you ever played it over in your entire life? By the way, I played over in the Cornell Navy game last night, Todd, I tried to give it. How was Hoops picked? That was Hoops Peterson's pick?

Looking for fourteen year old girls. That was hoops Peterson's pick. I mean a Mike Palm originated pick. Has you ever taken it over? Ever? Honestly tell you something, Todd, don't undersell the skill it takes to go through three picks and find the good ones. All right, Now back to that question. Yeah, I have remember the Rose Bowl between Georgia and Oklahoma year. I bet that over last year Carolina Carolina at Pittsburgh. I bet the first half over

it went over the first quarter. Okay, and don't walk to the window. Run all right? Back to Seattle. Okay, Now, this Seattle defense has improved. Okay, we saw it in San Francisco. We've seen the difference to David and Clowney made. And in that game in Philadelphia, I was pounding like you do gild the pounding van game, pounding the end game under in that decided to think any team could

move the ball outside of a big play. They weren't scoring touchdowns, right, So I've really come to respect this Seattle defense. And oh, by the way, Pete Carroll is one of the top defensive coordinators even though he's the head coach. Top defensive minds in the NFL. Combine that with the fact that you have Kirk Cousin Kirk Cousins playing outdoors. Okay, you know I've been big on this Minnesota team. I've said I think they have a chance to make the Super Bowl. I think this is gonna

be a fantastic game played somewhere around. I don't see this game getting to fifty. I think you're gonna see just like last year in cold weather, in in December, in Seattle. It will be a defensive struggle. And I really think this number comes back way too high at fifty. We'll go under for our finalect under Monday Night, Minnesota Seattle for Mikey Todd number three. I wish to inquire what the line is in that same game. Uh, it's

three everywhere, Seattle minus three. Okay, give me Mike's Minnesota Vikings plus the three. Now iably the first to say that Mike's way off as Rocker when he thinks Minnesota is a legitimate Super Bowl contender with Kurt Cousins at the quarterback position, that is what we would call a travesty of reasoning. But I will say this, I think Seattle is a little overblown. I think they're a little bit too much. Russell Wilson is the greatest thing since

slice bread. Nonsense. I know he's great, He's been great this whole year, but there's been a lot of close calls. The Eagles didn't even show up last week. I mean they played defensively. On offense, they were horrendous. Uh. Minnesota is the kind of team that can travel in my opinion, because they run the ball and they play some defense. This game could easily end up. I want those three big fat, juicy points, and I'm gonna take the Minnesota

Vikings plus the three. Okay. By the way, Jadavian Cloudy intends to play in this game against the Vikings. He was absent last week for the Seahawks. Seahawks are undefeated on the road this year. There's six and oh for the first time in franchise history on the road. At home, they are three and two straight up. Russell Wilson last week and victory over against The victory over the Eagles was twenty five for two hundred, one touchdown pass which

was just beautiful. One pick. He was sacked six times, which was very uh odd to see with him, but he's the first quarterback in NFL history to start his career with eight straight winning seasons. He started all one thirty six games since his rookie season, including thirteen in the playoffs. Basically, he makes up for a lot of their awarts on offense, and Jadavian Clowney when he feels

like playing, does the same on defense. The one thing I will say about that game, um Philadelphia was horrific by the way Rashad Penny, who was fourteen of one nine for a touchdown fifty eight yards scamper. When did he become bowling ball? Like? When did I sit on the mega on the guessing lines? I was like, when did he eat Mojoe Drew? Like? When did this happen

with pennies? Anybody else noticing this? He used to put He used to it used to be a lot more spelt at San Diego State, right, Like this doesn't feel that way with them anymore. Twelve carries excuse me, twelve penalties for the Seahawks in that game against the Eagles, though for the ninety yards they got to clean that up odd taking the vikings and the three points. All right, my third pick, since I was awfully chalky on the first two Sadly, I'm taking a third favorite, but not

quite as chalky though on this one. Uh, the New York Football Jets. New York Jets are giving just is it three or three and a half? Todd? What do you? What do you give them? Here? I see a lot of three minus one and some three and a half. I think I'm gonna have to say three and a half. I'm seeing more three and a half, So much to my chagrin, I'm gonna have to give the hook here. Yeah, I'll much to my chagrine. I don't know where my

chagrin is, but I've got something. Jets are three and a half point favorites on the road against the windless Cincinnati Bungles. Um. The Bengals are just not good at football yet. Against the Steelers last week, they had every opportunity to win that damn football game. They just would not take it from the Steelers. My god, Uh, they probably should have beaten Like I said, if they were any good at all, they probably would have beaten the

Raiders the week before. Um, but they weren't. They are getting Andy Dalton back in this game, and so that's, you know, kind of convenient now that they have a two game cushion for that worst uh record in football and the and the shot at the number one pick in the NFL draft kind of convenient. Then now they're like, Okay, we'll put Andy Dalton back in see if we can actually win a game, because it doesn't have to we don't have to worry about even though Dalton's coming back.

A Um, I am That's kind of what I was getting to if again, you let me just sort of speak um uh. Jamal Adams. By the way, after that game against the Raiders, I don't want to sound very irrogant or two cocky, but I think those Raider fans came in a little too happy. I think they thought it was going to be an easy game. Sam Donald said a few weeks ago, Yeah, we can still make

the playoffs. Jess have won three in a row. After they won that first game of the three game streak, he was like, yeah, I think we can say the ploffs. And we laughed. Then we laughed, and we laughed. Jets are really good in some phases of this game, one of which is the New York Football Jets came into that game against the Raiders allowing a league glow set

of any nine point one yards rushing per game. They gave up sixty eight to Oakland, led by Josh Jacobs, who was the short shot for offensive rookie of the year right now, even shorter than Kyler Murray, which both Todd and I correctly were incredulous about this morning on a numbers game. Um, that's huge against the Cincinnati Bengals team. It's not like a j Green is showing up for this game. Just Andy Dalton's showing up. You take away

Joe Mixon here, you make the Bengals one dimensional. I'll take the Jets minus three and a half on the road. I think the Jets are actually a fairly credible, not awful football team. Give me the Jets minus three and a half at Cincinnati, pick number three for young Gil Todd. Your thoughts, now, my thoughts are I don't so you're saying that they're they're they're better off because Dalton starting. I was confused. Well, you, well, you weren't listening if

that's what you got out of that. No, they're not better off because Dalton is starting. They are a really good run defense, defense against the run, and you just like them, You just like them regardless of who's starting for Since I was just trying to understand I said they were really good. They really wasn't that complicated. They're a really good defense against the run. Your response indicates that I was somehow confusing, which I wasn't at all.

They're very good defense against the run. You take away Joe Mixon, you make them one dimensional and it's not like a J. Green is showing up. It's still the same Drek Tyler boy, not against your pick. I'm not against your pick. You sound like here against me? Is what you sound like? Todd? Todd, are you on another call as well? Yeah? Well I did to two megapods at the same time. I just wondered why you were distracted, because also, there'll be more interest in Alabama than you

taught in a college football playoffs. I didn't say that, Mike. I said I thought people would watch the damn college football playoffs no matter who's in the damn game. Do you really think Utah will have as much interest as Alabama? Ta? Is that what you ingested? Now that you say it, I guess I guess Alabama would be a bigger draw. But I mean to me, if people if you're a college football fan. You're gonna watch the college football playoffs? I mean I know I'm gonna watch it regardless of

who's in it. Yeah, you think you're representative of Joe Joe casual fan though, So Joe Casual, then we'll just watch if Alabama's in. But if Utah's an He's like, I don't want to watch it. Yeah. That you find that hard to believe? Okay, I mean maybe you're right. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying, look, what about all the Mormons that are gonna be watching special because you talk? Why are you gonna do that? The Mormon Church has a lot of people worldwide, but they

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shorts looke losses on the tea. You keep saying it's me, and what do I keep responding, It's Stanford Wong's fault. I'm just playing the number outside of one. That's right. I'm only the one personally, but I'm two and nine with Stanford Wall. So you called Stanford he messed everything? That's right. Well, he does these work every year and me and I just keep pounding my head against the wall with these. But guess who guess what did cover?

Because of the miracle touchdown at the end. I hadn't remember I told you my three team ten point teasers. I'm now like six and oh on them I had this week? I had needed a miracle from the Eagles that had no business of covering ten and a half, not even a chance should they have covered it, But they got that ridiculous bactor touchdown. And the other team I had was Saints minus a half, and the Saints also didn't really deserve to win. What did what did

I have last weekend? My teaser? Todd? What was it again? You had Green Bay and New England? Yeah, green Man, New England? It was It wasn't Philadelphia's Green Bay that screwed me bad, not screwed me terrible. Yeah you know I said this on the show this morning on Serious x M two or four at Vista on a numbers

game with Todd and Mike. Actually I think Mike had left already, but one of the things marketing back to the James Selina's thing, and James Selliens didn't end up winning the quarterly, but he ended up hedging as we described uh and fell a half game short of the quarterly prize or chopping the quarterly prize and the Circle Millions quarterly prize. Q Three is that you know these NFL games, and Todd and I talked about these pre flop a T s. Forget the teasers for a second.

You know, sixty percent of these and we we're roughly estimating six but more than half of these. Let's face it, pre flop a T s are plink oh outcomes right like you're gonna be on the right side of them just as much as you are on the wrong side of them if you play enough of these, because they are and and to think that it's you when you win but not you when you lose. Let's be honest, and about sixty percent of these games is utter hogwash, right,

It's just a complete crapshoot. Of the time, maybe not so much. And I just want to send a shout out to James Selena's here on the podcast as well. How amazing is it that he has sustained this kind of excellence in this modern era of pro football, knowing that, you know, won the Super Contest, as you said, Mike in third place twenty place eighteen and flirted with the circule quarterly right there in Q three to to be able to overcome all those plinko games, and and Todd

said it correctly this morning. He's probably really good at the fort and he's probably had a lot of good fortune in the sixt but that's still a long time to have good fortune in the six, right, So I mean, I don't know. Maybe we're doing him a disservice saying that maybe there's more two it than them. Maybe he is just that good. But the plinko nature of this

is so frustrating, Todd. You say it yourself, like ten minutes into a game on a Sunday morning, you'll be the first one to say, up, here's the game of the week where the NFL's fixed it. You know, So you think about some of your quick reactions like that, and here's a guy who just gets it done year after year. So I'm just so impressed by that. Well, how's he doing teasers, Is he better than two and ten? I'm sure, I'm sure he is. He by the way,

he plays no teasers, none whatsoever, none whatsoever. Alright, Anyway, the ten point that people who can do the ten point teasers, they seem a lot easier to me. I mean, of course, this is very short sample size. I've done six of them this year and hit all six, and of course that's not sustainable. But almost aside from this past week where I didn't really deserve to win and I won, all the rest of them were pretty much

rocking chairs. And I think because of the plank o nature, as you say, the more points you get, the better

off you are. And that's why I've started gravitating much more to the teasers, and especially the ten pointers in NFL games, for the exactly the reason you're saying that it's very hard to be ten points away from the spread in an NFL games, and everything changes in bedding and so look, you know, I can keep going with the Stanford long teasers and keep doing this, but things change in the NFL, and for some reason those aren't

working this year. As Las Vegas, Chris was on the show earlier said he goes, you gotta, you gotta stop playing those this year. They're terrible, And he knows. I mean that's what it is, because he was doing them too for the first half of the season. And those three and those three ten ten pointers, those three team ten pointers used to be sucker bets back in the day. But ut for you, Mike, what's your two team six pointers? Sir? I have a question for Todd before I give you

my teasers, because I'm thinking about using one of his plays. Todd, are you concerned that on Monday Night in Minnesota going on the road. Uh, it's too much to overcome for the Vikings since they've played almost every one of their games at home. No, I agree that they're not as good on the road, but I don't think Seattle's as

good as everybody thinks they are. And I know your joke about how I missed both on the numbers game once and said, messed up the schedule with Minnesota, and you just never endingly beat the drum on my mistake. But thank you very much, Mike. The bottom line is, Uh, Minnesota, I believe we'll be playing on the road this week. Um, I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure, and uh, you know they've played you know, nine other games at home

and only two on the road. You're right, And then it's a great in the schedule that Minnesota gets to play twelve at home this this year, it happens. It happens in one of the eight divisions every six years now. In an attempt to compete with Todd both in teasers and in best record for the Megapods this year, I'm gonna use some game theory here, and I'm gonna do you want to know what the records are? Mike, we're

tied in the in the picks right. No, actually, you're slightly ahead because I am eighteen seventeen and one and you are seventeen sixteen and three, So percentage points wise, you are slightly ahead of me. Teasers, he's also slightly head. He's five and seven while I four seven and one. Oh, so you're sitting there making fun of me and you're exactly two and a half games ahead of me, and teasers, shut the up. You want to know your record and record games? Gil? Your four one and one that's after

an oh and three last week. Yes, you are correct. I'm gonna try to protect against this fast closing, Todd, waist them and I'll use two of his plays and tease them. I'll tease the Vikings up to nine, and I'll tease the Panthers down to four. Vikings up to nine and Panthers down to four Todd, uh so Caroline and minus four for Mike. Okay, I will take, um, wow, I will take. Give me, give me green Bay? What the hell? Give me green Bay down to what do you have them at? Six and a half? Okay, so

green green Bay minus a half? And um and my other one I need and a teaser? Give me just did you did this show? Surprise you that it was happening right out? Todd? I always bring, I always forget to do my teaser. Give me Tennessee plus eight and a half, Tennessee plus eight and a half. Okay, all right, I am taking Are you ready for this? The Dallas

Cowboys on Thanksgiving Thursday? Dallas Cowboys essentially takes it down to the to a one point spread, taking Dallas on the Thanksgiving and I am tying it to the Carolina Panthers like Mikey has that leg as well. On Sunday, Carolina down to four against your Washington Redskins, by the way, that has the lowest total No excuse me, Denver Chargers one point lower at thirty eight and a half, Redskins

Panthers at thirty nine and a half. So for me, it is Cowboys and Panthers for my two team teasers. The note on two team teasers. Most places, if you tie one of the legs, obviously you can't reduce down to a one team teaser, so they push it. But other places, if you tie one of them, you lose. So you want to always make sure that you play at a place where if you tie one of them,

you actually um just push Todd. What happens if I have a better teaser record than you at the end of this year, like I could totally not only beat you, but like beat you going away. Still, I wasn't saying I was doing well on the six point teasers. I sure seemed that you sure seem to act like you were four seven and one. Hey, listen for four seven and one. Four seven one is not good. We all know that. I just thought it was very funny that you're too intent. At least I was doing them based

on stand for long. What's your excuse? I've did a lot of your same stand Ford wants to get my four seven and one. I don't think you did. They really don't. Alright, No, I think that's bullshit. All right, let's let's go to the final two questions. Why are we already the final two questions? We are? That's what

happens when you don't have a guest. And by the way, the only reason we don't have a guest today is because it is getaway day, the biggest travel day, guy numbers day game today was talking about how Nate Oates is now the coach from instead of Buffalo Bills and college basketball is now the coach of Alabama. They're going to run against Carolina and it's gonna be high scoring. It's three nothing three minutes in. Who's got the three

North Carolina? Okay? You know the last time I employed that theory about it favors Carolina and I have a team run was when they played Auburn in the Sweet six. That didn't work out out too well. We got we got four picks in college basketball today from kayat three man Weave once again for those who want some college

basketball action, He's loooking good right now. Carolina five nothing. Yeah, it's Carolina minus nine and a half, Oklahoma State getting three against Syracuse, and then if you have the extra games, stony Brook getting five. I think it's four and a half now against Delaware, Monmouth against Norfolk State. But I think that one's already climbed. I think that one's five minutes.

It's been Monmouth, right, you know what's in Monmouth. You know what's there, Monmouth Racetrack where they have one of the first William Hills in New Jersey. I went to visit. It was in Jersey. Yes, I hear it's lovely. Yes, alright. Final two questions Todd? How about on the show? Gil Todd said that unless you're from Pittsburgh, nobody would know where Duquane is. How dumb does he think your listeners

are as dumb as him? He brings him down to his Okay, Now, I might be wrong about Utah being in the college football playoffs and everyone turning their television set off. But I guarantee you, if you line up a hundred people in the Circus Sports Book, less than thirty eight will know that Duquesne is in Pittsburgh. Not Nobody's not zero thirty eight percent pretty bad. Thirty eight percent favored Nixon before he was impeached. Okay, um, let's go to the cemetery vote in Illinois. Should have been

president in nine Nixon? Oh you mean with the debate when he sweated himself all over the place, that I mean with what they did with daily in Chicago. Okay, Oh you know what I I was too young from too young for the historical politicism that that was the year of the shitzing on the debate though Todd, you are correct Nixon Kennedy debates. All I knew was there was there was a lot of shitzing on the on

the TV, A lot of shitzing. Are almost like the new studios with the with the heat bulbs they got there trying to heat up the pizza. There must be like some pizza underneath the heat bulbs. Then he was many many, was very but clem. The other day he

was complaining of those lights. For those who don't know, about two weeks ago, mysteriously, uh stadium lights for lack of a better description, like stadium grid lights were inserted into the Visa studio and they're about, I don't know, five to ten feet away from our eyeballs when we're broadcasting. There's only a hundred and fifty degrees in there, and I'm waiting for them to put some pizza under the heat bulbs to keep it warm. Final two questions. We

have three Thanksgiving games included here. Of course, which of the big favorites do you think is most likely to lose? Out right? Two of these are on Thanksgiving Dallas seven point favorites at home against Buffalo noll and seven point

favorites on the road against Atlanta. The other ones on Sunday Philly nine and a half or ten point favorites somewhere in that pocket away at Miama Carolina, as we mentioned, ten point favorites at home against the Skinnies Green Basics, and a half point favorites on the road against the Giants bottom Er, all the way up to six points after that Lamar Jackson tour to Force on Monday night six point favorites over the one lost Niners, Wow Kansas

City ten point favorites against the UH Oakland Raiders being the other option. So those are a bunch. Those are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven games nearly half the slate. No buys anymore everybody's playing five weeks sprint to the playoffs. Here, which of those big favorites do you believe is the most likely lose outright, Mike Baltimore Ravens. Baltimore Ravens. I think we're we're we're drinking a bit much. I love watching all offense.

I love with the touch that he's developed on the ball. But when you have to take off a defensive line like San Francisco and attack him and not sit back there and let them get five and six yards on first down, we will change the course of the game. I also think San Francisco with tittleback will be able to run the ball against the Baltimore defense. And and to Michael Lombardi's point, they were much different team, much like Dallas playing from ahead than they are if they

get behind. So I think it's very conceivable that San Francisco goes in there in a non game of the week and beats the Ravens. I just want to say, I'm not busting your balls here on this. I thought it was very interesting how when Kyler Murray played the Niners. You're taking my talking. This is what I said a guessing lines. Don't listen to my show and then regurgitated on the megapod. I didn't, I honestly didn't hear your

being the lines this week. But anyways, the my point was that the Niners look very different when they were playing Kyler Murray versus when they were playing um, Aaron Rodgers. They seem to have some trouble against these real running quarterbacks, and it could be that Lamar gives them troubled. What do you think of that here than on the guessing lines, by the way, but go ahead, I agree with your point. It's a very valid Yeah, the exact point total here,

so they allowed. The Niners did seventy eight points in the two games against Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson. They then against Aaron Rodgers, arguably the best quarterback in the NFL, pocket passer primarily although mobile, they allowed one yards on seventy plays, didn't allow a single completion longer than fifteen yards. So maybe, and maybe there is an achilles heel with the Niners defense. They do seem to have trouble small

samples eyes with mobile quarterbacks. We'll see on it. There were a lot of designed runs by Kyler Murray where they did little like fake options, including the twenty two yard touchdown scamper that put them in the lead briefly late in the game. Was it was a designed run play. I noticed that in the game plan. I think they were. They must have seen something on the tape that said that they could do that. That's what scares me about that. Hi,

I'm Todd Wishnev. I listened to Guessing lines on Monday. Then I regurgitategate. I'm sorry, I'm talking. Sorry the host is talking. Then I regurgitate those points on Thursday or Wednesday on megapod, and then I denyed listening to Guessing because you just because me and you think a lot think alike at times doesn't mean that I stole your point. I'm looking in the camera at Mike. Mike, who do you believe me? Here's the god, here's yes, he said,

pleast credit the source. Okay, alright, final of the final questions. Now, oh, by the way, I didn't answer that questions answer, Yeah, Todd, what do you like? What's the one there? What do you not? Which big favorite do you you think is the most likely to lose? Out right? Maybe Dallas Cowboys just because of the stupid Cowboys just because the stupid coaching. Yeah, yeah, it could happen, could happen. I think that my answer will be ready for this. The Philadelphia Eagles. They're really

bad right now. By the way, here's the thing though, alshon Jeffrey Nelson, Aghil or Lane Johnson all on track to return versus the Dolphins. So you know, if I had another pick, I'd take the Cowboys, despite the fact that I'm teasing them. But the Eagles, if they were Hamstrong, would probably be my choice there. But knowing that those guys are coming back, maybe not. Maybe it's the Cowboys. By the way, I know you're busting my balls, but

I really didn't hear you say that. I'm guessing. Of course, of course not alright, I'd like to answer this question because I'm sure at this point the listeners would like to know. D Do you ever listen to Gail show if you're not on it? Yeah, I actually listened to Tuesday's show. I love Tuesday's Tuesday's with Lombardi's I'm not saying I don't like Monday's show. I just happened to

be busy with my other job. Once in a while, I actually have to do some work what and very often it happens between the hours of six am and nine am Pacific time, because I'm busy with nine am to noon New York times. So I happen to have been busy on Monday, so I missed the show. Sorry, Mike. All right? Did you are you aware that The Monday Show with Chrissy is also broadcast in podcast form and also available on vica dot com In the replay, I wasn't.

I wasn't aware of that, Mike. But I will get on that immediately and review all of Gil's great talking points, so um, I don't accidentally step on them here on the megapod in the future. All right, what if we live in a Bizarro world Final question and we had to choose the side we had to bet acided every single one of these sixteen NFL games, but you were allowed one free pass one game where You're like, I have no clue what's going to happen here, Mike? What

game would that be? Boy? This is a tough one this week because there are several for me. Chargers Broncos is one, Rams, Cardinals is another. One. Um, yeah, I gotta decide, and by the way, I just want to say as a note here, I really like the Browns this week. I didn't include them, and I don't want to tease through the zero, but I'm I'm high on the Browns. Um but it is Hodges starting, is Hodges starting, or I'm Mason Hodges as far as I'm as far

as what I'm reading. So you're you're, you're not you Still you think he stinks just as much as Mason. I think that they're often stinks. And of course, and I think that this team is coming together under the tutelage of Freddie Kitchens, and he's going to make a playoff run and shock the world. This guy he may be getting in line for a promotion. He may be the heir apparent to belicheck Off. What he's gonna do it back after this year with it is official Devilon

Hodges as your starter by the way they game. Yeah, I'm gonna go with the Chargers broncos Uh. I just think that Rivers is like really aging quickly before our eyes here. I really like to have nothing to do with Anthony Lynn unless I can bet again. But I can't do with Fannie pack Vic, so I'll lay off that one. Yeah, this is the this could be the last Brandon Allen game because, uh, guests, who's ready to come off? I are after that Drew Lock everybody Todd

which is yours? I don't really want to bet on a lot of these games, but I guess Rams Arizona. I'm not sure what have the Rams are? The Rams just stink? Now, what is the deal with the Rams? Have they just plundered to the bottom of the barrel? I mean, what is going on with this team? It's unbelievable. And Arizona seems to be going on the other side. Uh, you know, I'll be very interested to watch that game, but I have no idea what's going to happen there. Yeah,

I think at the end, I'm Chargers Denver two. And it was tough to pick because the Rams Arizona was part of that list Tennessee, Indianapolis even for me was a tough one to come up with. But yeah, for me, it's Chargers Denver because the Chargers are so untrustworthy. As much talent as they have, they just never seem to live up to it. And the Denver Broncos I never

get right. Among several times I don't get right quite frankly this here, But Denver is one that is just perplexing because their defense does show up every once in a while. So for me, it'd be Chargers in Denver before you, before you close it up. I wanted to ask Mikey a question if they could maybe put a prop up at circa Will Rivers get inside the ten yard line in the last minute of the game and not be able to jam it in? Yes? Or no?

Could we get that? Well, that happened to more and Warren Moon all the time to it and then no one ever Well, Warren Moon was a Hall of Famer, you know that. Get ready for a world in which Philip Rivers is all of Famer to Todd, I hate to tell you. I think it's gonna happen. Yeah, I don't want to live in that world, or this one for that matter. But ahead, Mikey, before we get out of here, you wanted to say something I do. I just want to wish all of the listeners happy Thanksgiving.

Obviously without the listeners we couldn't make the kind of money we're making off this podcast. Skill Also, on a serious note, if you'd have if you'd have told me two years ago, that one of the most rewarding things I would have got out of are taking a shot when Visa was first forming on getting involved, would be my friendship with two Jews from the eastern part of the country. I would have said that that was you couldn't put that number on the board, would be too high.

But really you need Todd. Todd, he's saying something sincere Jesus, He's saying something sincere and kind. And you gotta see always what you have to say is the most important thing. Shut up for a second, Mike finished the lovely thoughts. You are both You are both very intelligent and beyond that, very kind people. And I've enjoyed my time both on the set on this megapod and off of it with the two of you. So Happy Thanksgiving, Mike, thank you. That was very sweet, and likewise to you as well.

Happy Thanksgiving to you, Todd. What was it that you needed to say? I want to say, I'm very thankful that you guys are really good at tennis. I'm sorry, Mikey calmed down, relaxed that I have the same feelings towards both of you as well, one Jew, one Catholic and one renowned jew Happy Thanksgiving to all. Obviously, have a great time screaming at your family, and uh, it's

been very fun hanging with you guys. I do this obviously, I get paid a lot here, both on the podcast and on visa and uh, you know so for me, it's a labor of love and tremendous amounts of cash. By the way, at the end of this season, I'm taking you both to Carbone Carbone Rap party this year. How about that? That's where PAULI goes to close? Right, Jesus does Carbone have four percent negative EV machines anywhere

over there? All right, thank you both, Thank you, Thanks guys. Hey, happy Thanksgiving, not only to everyone listening, but to you guys as well. Todd wished him at Mike Palm who not only Todd, you're on the Numbers game every Wednesday. Mike stays over for a Numbers game too on occasion. But for doing the megupod faithfully each and every week, it's a blast. I can't wait to finish up the

regular season going to the playoffs with you, gentlemen. Maybe we'll even do a lifestyle show together between the conference championships and the Super Bowl. That made you smile, Mikey, you like that one? You want to do that? I love it? All right, we'll do a lifestyle show as well, right, I have I have a feeling that Mike's lifestyle is gonna have a lot to do with his gastro intestinal track. Well,

part of it is restaurants too, that's the whole point. Okay, Well that's part of life style, right, that's what we're gonna do. Um So we look forward to that. But Happy Thanksgiving to the both of you, and happy Thanksgiving to everybody listening to the show today. I'll get the teasers under you know, under wraps. I'll be taught by the end of this. We appreciate you listening about Mike. What about Mike and seven? Maybe Mike too, I don't know.

We'll see what happens. Long stretch here, five games to go with a regular season, we'll do that and the playoffs of course. Happy Thanksgiving to everybody. Enjoy your families as much as you can before you get sick of them. Perhaps, good luck with all your picks. Week thirteen in the NFL and beyond. Thank you so much for listening. Sat