The Big Announcement

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Colby moorehead. Hey, welcome to the Bear Hunting Magazine Global headquarters. Man, this covid stuff has it's knocked out. Colby has been uh working remotely, yeah, we'll say, yeah, but working hard. Yeah, working hard. Bear Hunting Magazine, North Hunting Magazine North. Hey, you know that we're deep in the heart of squirrel a pellooza really, oh of course, yeah, this is deep deep in the heart of squirrel the palooza one which is uh where me and the kids and many other

families are. We haven't been able to go every day because, you know, sometimes we have something going on in the evening. Usually we're hunting in the evenings. But we're trying to squirrel hunt as absolute much as possible over the next sixty days. Is this increasing your squirrel craft your squirrel crafting, oh my ability to make arts and crafts with squirrel stuff. Yeah, ornaments are done. It's not that season, so like like

I'm already making some Christmas ornaments for next year. Well, Kolby is referring to as a video that I made for Meat Eat, where I made a Christmas ornament out of squirrel tales. I want to read you a text message that I sent to a friend of mine a few days ago. He says, Clay, if you end up doing any squirrel hunting this week, and it would work to have folks join. We're super interested. And this is a friend of mine I hunt with and his kids. And I say, yes, probably go tomorrow. We may go

this evening for the last hour. He says, We're up for both. Just let me know, all right. And this is sometimes things just come out of your mouth and you realize that it's that the that the that the energy behind it is deeper than even what you realized when you said it. Okay, looking forward to And I said ten four stand by, squirrel of Pellooza is raging and the flame blows hither and yonder at its will. So poetic, and uh so, what I was trying to say is I don't know if we're gonna go this

afternoon or tomorrow afternoon, but I'll let you know. So Squirrel Peluza, We're we're gonna try to go this afternoon if it's not too cold. Um there, not not too cold. That's not what I meant to say. What I'm meant to say. If it's not raining. Cold does not affect squirrel. The Pelluza was a little surprised rain does affect squirrel. Pelouza, Well, hey, we're gonna get right into the heart of of this

monumental episode of the Bare Honey magazine podcast. Um, we we need to break some news to people, Colby that that really no one would know. Uh. People may have noticed in the last two weeks we haven't put out a podcast. They might have just speculated that it was like the holidays or something. Um, but it was It's a little bit deeper than that, and this is really a Uh we're extremely excited to say that this is the final episode of the Bear Honey magazine podcast. Yep.

Those words are They may seem counterintuitive because I said, we're excited to say that this is the final Bear Hunting Magazine podcast episode. Yep. We currently have made how many podcasts have we made? A hundred and this will hundred and fifteen podcasts. So basically, for the last two and a half years, we have produced a weekly podcast,

maybe just missing a week or two random times. The reason I'm excited to say this, Colby, is because we have a big announcement that I think it's gonna make everybody happy, is that we are starting a new podcast. So though this is not though this is the last episode of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast in its current form,

this is not the last that you're gonna hear from this. Uh. This this chance annal and we're starting a podcast with meat Eater as we as we told people before, I now work for meat Eater, also work for Bear Hunting Magazine. None of that's changed. Um, I still publish an edit Bear Hunting Magazine. You still work for bar Haunting Magazine. Bear Hunting Magazine has never been better. Um. And but I do work for meat Eater, you know. And it's

been an incredible three months. And from the very beginning we have been formulating with meat Eater a podcast. And as many people know, meat Eater has a suite of podcasts. People, unless you're really paying attention, sometimes this isn't it's not intuitive. But there is such a thing as the meat Eater podcast. Let's just speak clear here. The Meteator podcast is Steve

Ronelli's podcast. Okay, meat Eater to the company has a suite of podcasts, and those podcasts, aside from the meter podcast, would be the Hunting Collective with Ben O'Brien, Wired to Hunt with Mark Kenyon, Bent with Joseph Mellie and Miles Nolte, Umw's We Can Review with Ryan Callahan and Warren Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm coaching. When you when you say them all on

the line, it's hard. Well, there's gonna be another one, and it's gonna be it's gonna be a podcast that I'm gonna do for me eater, Okay, And we can't go into extreme detail or much details all other than that, if you are currently subscribed to this RSS feed, one day in the near future, you're gonna wake up and you're gonna look on your phone and it's gonna say boom, something that's gonna say podcast and you might even see a picture of me. I don't know, maybe not. Don't

look for a picture of me. Just it's gonna say podcasts, not meat Eater, and you need to listen to that podcast because we're doing something different. We're doing something that's very different than this, and I'm very confident that it's gonna be enjoyable, and it's been enjoyable for me so far. It really has been very very neat stuff. So stay tuned, just keep watching your podcast feed. And all I can say is sometime in the near future, this RSS feed

will transition into that media podcast. So there we haven't there it is. Um. What I wanted to do today on this final episode was kind of go back and track a little bit of our our history pod casting and maybe me even tell a little bit of my personal journey into this form of media. And um, and I want to hear some of your stuff too, Coldy. You know, for the last year and a half, almost

two years, I guess you've been producing the podcast for me. Um. But let me say that I originally was hesitant to get into podcasting. I was a little bit late to the game of podcasting. Five years ago podcasts where like like everybody started to have podcasting, and every month forward that we went from that time, it was like, you

need a podcast, you need a podcast. People were telling me, Clay, you ought to do a podcast, You ought to do a podcast, And to be honest with you, I was leary to do it because first of all, I just wasn't sure that I wasn't sure how if it would be valuable to people. And secondly, from a real per personal position, Kolbe. All these forms of media that I had done in the past allowed me to kind of script how I wanted to be portrayed and how much

of myself that I showed people. Those other forms of media allowed me to be very conservative with those things. For instance, like video, Like you might you might think that video is like, oh wow, they're seeing your face. They're here and you talk, they're seeing what you do. Well, if you're making video, you you can be very you. You release what you want to release. Um, if you're being a writer magazine, I mean you're hidden behind a

whole bunch of other stuff. Uh, you don't have you You you tell the reader what you want to tell the reader. Podcast is pretty different. And I'm not saying I don't have control of what I say, because I do. But when you have an hour to two hours every week of free flow comp versation with another person, you reveal a whole lot about who you are. And up until two and a half years ago, I was not comfortable with that. I just didn't. I just didn't feel

like it was the right time. And something happened and I was just like, Okay, now's the time, and in my kind of journey. Many things have come about that way, just like it wasn't right, It wasn't right, it wasn't right, and then all of a sudden it felt right, and I pulled the trigger. And when I pulled the trigger on anything, I tried to do it to the best of my ability, to try to make it as good

as I could. And so I committed to making a weekly podcast and that ended up being like really significant for us and for our business, and not necessarily financially. I don't want to paint the picture that someone would think that like you're living in a dream world if you think you're to get rich off a podcast like ours.

I mean, it's just not um. But inside of our business and inside of our mission statement of what we're trying to do in the bare Hunting world and in the honey world in general, and inside of this being a small business that me and you run, UM, it became really valuable to us, definitely because people, you know, people got to know us, people got to know what we valued, people got to see some really valuable, incredible people,

you know. And uh so the Bare Honey Magazine podcast for me was a developmental tool personally, Like I tell I say this to some people, is that you know, human communication is like an extremely important part of our lives and whatever field you live in. I mean, you may think you don't need to communicate, but you do.

And uh, to practice communicating in a thoughtful way is it is very developmental, especially when you're talking with experts, or you're talking with people that have some knowledge that you don't have, or you're trying to mind something out of them that you know they have that maybe they don't even know they have, but you see it. And Uh, I can go back to the first podcast that I did two and a half years ago, and I can hear a difference in the way that I think and

talk even and inside of my life. Colbe moorehead, I value personal development at all levels. Um, I'm not happy with the human that I am today. I mean, I'm content, but I know that there's developmental processes inside of me that are good. It's good for me to stretch myself and to grow in knowledge and all all kind of stuff. And to me, the podcast has been a massive platform

for personal development. I've had to overcome. Uh. I mean you may not hear it, but I mean there's been times in this podcast when I have had overcome insecurity and fear. Um, there's been there's been administrative difficulties on organizing and getting things set up. And I mean we've we've traveled extensively at times just for the podcast to go meet people, which may not have made sense. It's like, golly, you're gonna drive eight hours one way and do it

to our podcast and turn around and come back. Um. You know it took dedication, sacrifice, some discipline, some time management, all these things, and I think those things are really positive for sure. And uh, I know it was development

inside of you. And you know you've not been on every podcast, I mean so, but you've you've been on a lot of them, and you put your hands on almost all of them on the back side of production and different things, and a lot of them would have been you know, you would have had influence that people wouldn't see, like maybe an idea for a podcast, or how you ought to talk to that person or this person, and uh, can you speak to that in any way? Kobe? Yeah, yeah.

I mean, for one thing, the technological side of it, Like I had to be pretty technical. Whenever a challenge would come up, I would have to do some research and figure out how to how to manage that. Uh, even the equipment we have today took a process. So like if you if you listen to the earlier ones, it sounds so much different than it does now. And

so there was just like growth inside of that process. Um. But even just like you know, being willing to uh always struggle with jumping into a conversation, and so I think that you know, it made it to where I'm you know, had to. I had to develop that a little bit. You know, It's like I still have more

room to grow inside of those things. But at the same time, it's like there has been development inside of that uh that area, and even just you know, thinking about possible topics in and knowing that not everything that I bring is um going to be necessarily a good idea like on brand or whatever we want to do inside the podcast, but it was still like a valued idea. Just so just being willing to that mean that builds

a sense of vulnerability. It's like I'm willing to share something even though it's shot down, and I know it's still valued. You know. You know, collaboration is just that kolbe when you're partnering with somebody to do something. It doesn't mean that yeah, that's because for the one good idea, there may have been four that they weren't bad ideas,

but they just weren't the idea. Yeah, you know, so yeah yeah, or even like what we name these what we name the podcast is sometimes the hardest thing, you know, or what we write up about it or anything. And so just even inside of that learning how to think in different ways of just like how is you know, in communications like sometimes and what the things that we've

been doing. It's not a two way conversation, So it's learned to think in a way that we share something in it and it conveys a message to where there's not like some follow up question or something, you know. And so I think so even inside of that form of communication, it's something that it's helped me think in

a different way. And even now, I mean it's that thing is going to continue to go even without being involved in the podcast, but just inside the magazine and and what information we put out on social media and everything, it's forming a different way of how to engage in a thought, you know, not like here's a recipe for how you do something every time, But it's just learning a new way to think and so that that's been a process that's I don't know how like tangible it

can be, but it's definitely something that's that's real, that's happened in the background. Yeah that's good man, that's good. You know. So aside to from like this personal process that both you and I have had inside of producing this kind of media, UM, we've also put out a lot of good information for bear hunters, and not just bear hunters. I told somebody the other day about one in every five bear Hunting magazine podcast we talked about bear hunting. Uh. So you know, for somebody that maybe

has isn't familiar with the style of content that we have. UM, we don't always talk about bear hunting. We've we've kind of let this podcast be a platform for just whatever we wanted to talk about that was outdoor related, hunting related. I mean, we've had some to this day some of the most commented on podcasts that we it had to do with the ones on raising kids and building family culture. Yeah. I mean I think the last night I got a big, long email from some guy that had never listened to

our podcasts. But kind of started listening to several of them found that one, and then when he did, he started listening to all the rest of him. I mean, that doesn't directly tie the bear hunting. That was a idea it probably it was. It was building family culture.

Yeah yeah, so but to me, it's it all fits so well together because I mean I always say this, but hunting, the actual acquisition of wild protein is always about something bigger, and that's something bigger has always been about feeding your family, feeding people, and so like to be some great hunter, and we say it all the time, but to be some great hunter, but to be to to not be a successful husband and father or mother, Um,

there's a hole inside of that, you know. Yeah. Well, even the idea for that podcast wasn't like, oh, this is what people want to hear. It was because I feel like the thing inside of the podcast that we've done is trying to be authentic. So it's like it was something that you could authentically speak to because it was something that you actively build and pursue inside of your life, and it's and so it wasn't like a stretch to say, ho, let's do a podcast about this.

It was this reflects like authenticity inside of what happens here, you know. And so I feel like inside of all these podcasts, it's been kind of a reflection of what's authentically something that you would do. Like even like the Snake podcast with Chris Jenkins, it was like you have a fascination for snakes, you know, and uh, the same thing with like personal development, white tail hunting, squirrel hunting, coon hunting you oh uh. And just like valuing people,

I think that's one of the common threats too. So like the or Province podcast or you know, Most Shepherd or James Lawrence or your dad, like just all these people, it's like it wasn't like it's not that they're valued because of what they've done, is because of who they are, and they've they found a lifestyle and they they lived that lifestyle out that they were just they were authentic to you know, And I think that was really like one of the driving forces inside the podcast was was that,

you know, it's something that you might not be able to nail down at times. But I mean I was thinking about even the Aaron Snyder podcast we did, It's like we didn't ask him questions that you would hear you know him asked on another podcast, and so that kind of identifies the value that we have or what we see as value inside of the podcast, inside of hunting, inside of our own lives. You know. Yeah, yeah, that's

good insight. And we have sought to be authentic and and at times that authenticity is just giving out good bear information, which we have. You know. Uh, it would be fun to go back through all the titles of the hundred and fifteen podcasts, because some of some of them were just like tactical, like dummies guy debating bears, how to how to judge bears, judge bears, um, you know, utilizing bear meat and bear fat, like, some of them

were really practical, um and and functional. And I think that's really important because you know, I mean we do have a I mean inside of the context of what we're doing at Barony Magazine, I mean, we are trying

to give people bear hunting information. But I think what we what we did was we maybe drew a lot of people that weren't bear hunters into this world through other things that they were interested in, whether it be squirrel hunting or deer hunting or family stuff or and then they got here and they they saw something, maybe they got interested in bear hunting, And I don't really care.

I mean, yeah, I do have I do want people to be interested in bear hunting, but not just for the sake of people going out and killing more bear. I mean, like, I'm interested in bear hunting because people getting interested. I'm interested in people getting interested in bear hunting because I feel like it's a critical component of the North American hunting model, and also know that it is a part of the model that is in jeopardy

because of anti hunting sentiment and many different other things. Culturally, I mean, just just the idea that the average person you walk up to on the street be fun to do this, Like just go ask somebody, do you humans eat bear? In um, It depends on where you were asking that question. Some places, you know, probably eight out of ten would say yes. Some places ten out of ten would say no. So just this kind of cultural idea that bears aren't a usable resource, it's actually detrimental

to the whole of North American hunting. Yeah, So that's why I think it's good to educate people about bear hunting, Educate people about the commodities that we get from bear hunting and how we actually use more of a bear than we do in almost any other kind of critter

that we hunt. In this connection to food and wildlife related commodities, utilitary and resource of wildlife is really a strong point of relevancy in is we continue to rebrand what hunting is to a population that often doesn't understand. And so by us being able to put a good light on bear hunting, I think strengthens the whole of North American hunting. And so that's why it's important for people to be bear hunters, I think, and to just

have an understanding of it. I had we had a call this morning from a guy from Western Tennessee and he had found the podcast and subscribed and he was calling to renew and he just said, you know, I get this and I read it cover to cover as soon as I get it. He said, it's one of two magazines that up to subscribe to and I have no plans of bear hunting, but I really like love the magazine. And so inside of that he has a really positive light of of what bear hunting looks like.

In an appreciation for him even though he doesn't, you know, plan on hunting him himself, you know, unless the population in western Tennessee explodes, and you know, maybe in that scenario. But I thought that was really interesting that you really love the magazine and what what this what's putting out being put out without any drive to pursue them yourself.

And uh, but at the same time he's he's learning the value of them and you know, you could tell he valued them and in this type of hunting and that uh that we do. Um, I just thought that was pretty cool. Man. I love people from Tennessee. Yeah, did. It was a real pleasure to talk to you typical Tennessee. And I'm telling you, man there, did you know that, um, the Ozarks were settled at one time, like over half of the people that lived in the Ozarks had directly

migrated from Tennessee. I did not know that. Okay, now you do. Now you know why I love people from Tennessee because it's our cultures are a mirror reflection. Yeah. Oh no, that's good. And that's good. Intel man. Well, don't for a minute think that because we're not producing this podcast, that we're not producing our our our magazine.

Because bare Honting Magazine is uh is going to continue to function, and we're excited that this new podcast, um, which isn't And I'm gonna go ahead and leak a small bit of intel about the content of this podcast. It's not there focus. Now. Could I speak for more than ten minutes without talking about Bear? Probably not? Okay, you following me, I'm but it's not Bear focused like

like this like our podcast has been. So I think that would excite a lot of people maybe or you know, it would be like, oh, okay, what's it about then, Clay, You'll have to find out, is what I would say. Yeah. Um, so we're excited about it and uh and we're I think it's gonna free Zue up to even continue to make our print magazine even better, better content. I really do. It's gonna be good. Yeah, It's definitely gonna free up

some time for me to focus on those things more. Yeah. Yeah, great. Well, what I wanted to do just briefly was talk about kind of a few experiences that I've had. I kind of tell gave a general overview of the podcast, but there are several that stand out to me that would be like, um, just behind the scenes things that when I think about this two and a half years of

doing this podcast. What stood out to me and I want you to I want you to think about it, to Kobe, like like be thinking of and the like us going somewhere or somebody that was here that you know, just let's just talk a little bit about it. But the first the first one that I wanted to talk about as Ori Province, um Ori Province, It's It's The episode was Old Mountain Hunter. It was on our Greatest Hits. A portion of it was on our Greatest Hits podcast.

I interviewed Ori Province ten years ago and oor he lives way out in the mountains um for Arkansas. He lives about as far back as you can live. And most shepherd told me about our province and he said, hey, there's an old man that lives, you know, down in this place and he's killed two huge bucks and you ought to go interview and it was for a different magazine.

I go to or Province's house meet him and he's just a he's a relic, you know, I mean, like he is like uh for for and I met him, well, I would have been like two thousand twelve or something. I mean, at the time of it was just he was a relic of a man, you know, not influenced by the trends of the times very much. And he'd lived out there his whole life was a logger, was all this. And uh, I took a photograph of him with his deer head hanging on a barn and or

he was a not a very tall guy. Or he was probably five ft seven or six maybe, and uh, he he was standing in front of his barn, and he had a big set of shed antlers in his hands, standing by one of his big bucks. And I caught him in this photo laughing. And I showed that picture to my wife years ago, and she said, My wife said something to me that kind of shaped the way that I thought about what I was doing. And she said, Clay, you're a cultural anthropologist. Like I mean, she said it

in such a way that I mean, it wasn't. I just was like, what do you mean by that? You know, anthropology is the the study of of humans and the study of human history and um. And she said, that picture is special. You captured something of the ozarks that's unique.

And uh, and it kind of to me. I was I didn't know what I was doing when I interviewed this guy and that kind of put some It didn't really define anything for me because I didn't change anything any way that I was doing anything, but it kind of gave value to what I was doing as I was going to some of these guys and talking to him and UM. Later I would come back into a podcast with Or almost ten years later, went back and did a podcast and I loved it. When Mr Or

I said, do you know what a podcast is? And he said, nope, I never heard of her. And in Uh, we recorded this podcast with him and UM a month later, Or Province was ninety one at the time, and a month later Or he passed away, and we had this hour and a half to two hour conversation about his life. You know, most of it was about his life. It wasn't even about his hunting, even though we did talk

about hunting. His wife was there, she talked, and Uh, it was just special, Like I just was grateful I would have had that conversation with him if we were recording it or not, and it would have been like highly valuable had my son with me. UM. And we portray values to our children in so many ways, but the biggest way is by just what we value and what we expose them to. My dad was kind of a in a way, an armchair cultural anthropologist or or now that I like, you know, kind of evaluate the

things that I enjoy and value. I got it from him because my dad used to take me. If some of my most bright memories as a kid was my dad taken me two some old and there's one guy in particular that I see in my mind and I don't even know his name, I know where he lived, but but it was a I mean, just as country a man as there is in Arkansas. And this guy killed buck and my dad knew him. And Dad met the guy somewhere and the guy told him he killed a big buck, and Dad said, hey, we'd like to

come out to your house and see it. I mean, my dad loved big deer. And so we drove out there and I remember hearing that man talk and seeing his house and seeing the way that he lived. And they were poor, they were dirt poor. And my dad, who was a banker, my dad was a professional, I mean, he was like a you know, I saw the value

that he attributed to that man. And as a kid, that really impacted me because Dad didn't diminish that guy for being dirt poor, And I mean I had stark recollection that this man's life was different than mine just and uh oh, my dad painted that guy like he was a hero. And that stuck with me forever. And he didn't do that just once. He we did that like my whole childhood. Somebody to kill a big deer and we drive to go see it, and we'd talked

to that person. And sometimes people we knew, sometimes people we didn't. And so that's kind of the like going to some guy's house and talking to him and interviewing him was like kind of second nature. You know. My dad wasn't recording what he was doing, but essentially he was the other thing. And I'm kind of off on a different tangent with my dad, But my dad, I remember when right before hunting season he would get on

the phone and talk to his hunting buddies. And you know, back in the day, just picking up a telephone in your house is the way you communicated. So you wouldn't be talking about your cell phone in a truck. You know, you go back home and once they got dark and you had dinner, you'd pick up the phone and dial somebody's home phone number and they'd pick up the phone. Well, we had two phones in the house, one in the

front and one in the back. And when he'd called John Mesco to talk about deer hunting that weekend, I'd say, Hey, Dad, can I get on the other end? Can I on the other phone and listen to y'all talk? And so I'd go to the back bedroom and pick up the phone and I wouldn't say a word, I just listen, and I'd listen to them talk about deer hunting. And now I recognize the influence that just listening to those men talk had on me. Now that inside of a podcast, this is what I'm doing all the time. And I

I valued, uh, listening to grown men talk. No, but and my dad probably put that inside of me, But it was kind of innate, almost like if two men were talking, I was gonna be like eavesdropping. I was gonna be listening to what they said, not saying anything, um, but just listening and UM. So I said all that to say like that or province podcast to me just stands out. It's like really unique, partly because he's not

with us anymore. And I realized what a jewel it was to have that audio recording and and his family is what told me that, you know, his family now has that recording which they wouldn't have had before. That has value for them. You know. Um, that one stands out to me that podcast. Do any of them stand out to you, Kobe? I mean that one does. That was one of the first ones that that we did after I had gotten here. I think I remember meeting you in chef ad had a restaurant afterwards, like kind

of halfway in between. Yeah, you weren't there, but you you came down and I called you were at the office and I called you and said, hey, we're gonna we're gonna eat lunch over here. You ought to meet us. Yeah, so it was it was It was cool. I you know, I think I remember just kind of the scenarios around podcast more than the actual content and just the people themselves. I know that the when when we did our kind of like month hand a podcast tour, it was fun.

We just do one after the other and just drive here and then drive a couple of hours and then do another one, and uh, just you know the people, you know, getting to meet the different people and and people that a lot of times you can look at it's just their drive. It's something that they chose to pursue. And I think that there's a lot of value inside

of that too. Uh. Even like at the beginning of COVID when we went up to the to the college and talked to oh I forget his name about just the history inside of inside of people that were in this you know, Arkansas region and all the books that

he he had written. It's like, man, this guy has driven, you know, to just eat up everything they could and listen to well listen to podcasts like you know, and everything surrounding like Keith Sutton and and everything that he did, the life he had and and uh, everything that he pursued, and then just like hearing about like what his life's

like now, you know. Uh, it's just you see, I'm attracted to authenticity and just people that are genuine and so even these like just being around James or Hearing, you know, being on the podcast with him or or mo or Hearing Advances the no podcast um Or when we recorded a podcast up in Washington with the guys from du with with um Buddy and and Jason Buddy and Jason w Yeah, so I don't know. I mean, just as far as content, it's hard for me to nail one down, but I just remember all the things

surrounding them. Yeah. Yeah. Anytime we did if if, if there was a podcast done, it was encased by usually a lot of relationship around it, you know. I mean sometimes we interviewed strangers, uh, or you know, people we didn't know that well. Um. But the one thing that we did that is pretty rare, maybe maybe like really rare, is we never did an internet based podcast. Every single hundred and fifteen of the hundred and fifteen episodes were

done in person, even through covid um. And that was something that we wanted to do because I didn't I didn't feel like, um, I just felt like it would be more authentic and like people were like Clay, well, you're limiting yourself so much on your guests. It almost felt like it was cheating. Like if I use the internet, I could get any guests in the outdoor world that you know, would agree to come on the show. And I don't know why, but I just wasn't interested in that.

I mean I could have got and I could name like ten big names you know that, you know, and I could have had him on the show, but I'd rather have most Shepherd or a province. Brent Reeves, Jonathan Wilkins. I mean that guys that I can go beat with and talk to it. I mean sometimes we were traveling, I mean like going to Montana with Gym sessions of Husk Mall and oh jeez, we've been all over the place. And I didn't mean you forget Brent. I can't forget

old Brent Reeves. He's always there. He's like the Life Nation podcast. Yeah, you don't have to mention Brent for him to be there. No, No, So you know, that was a decision that we made that I think ended up paying off big time, which wouldn't make sense, Like like people ask me that and they're like, well, people

don't just ask me that. Like the daily battle that I had for the last two years is people messaging me saying, hey, you need to have this guy on your podcast, and the guy lives in New York and I I just have this like scripted thing that I write. Hey, man, I'm sure there would be awesome to have that guy on, but we only do in person podcasts, you know, So like you know, if I were up there or if he were down here, or we're in the same place,

i'd be glad to do it. But but that was important, I think, um, because it it there was more invested in it. You know. It kind of feels a little bit cheap to me personally doing internet stuff. And not to say that I won't do that in the future, because on the next version of this podcast there will

be some interased internet based stuff. It just kind of has to be for what we're doing, for the uniqueness of what we're doing, and that will be okay, but uh, but for this little section of time, that's what we did. To me, there were like categories of podcasts that we did that were really distinct and one of them would be like Dori Province podcast where we met with usually

an older person, old timer. Um. And there were several that were very distinctive to me that we're just will be hallmarks forever in my life those times I spent with those guys. Um. One of them would be the podcast I've done with James Lawrence, my kind of personal mentor really good friend that I just have deep perspect for. The second one would be Roy clark Man old Roy Clark over in East Tennessee and Ira all Roy and Ira Man, incredible guys. I mean, man, when you talk

to a Roy Clark again. He may have known what a podcast was because someone told him that I was coming and I was gonna do a podcast. But Roy would be the same way. You'd be like, Roy, you want to be on a podcast. I'd be like, sure, what's that? I mean, these guys did what they did not to get famer notoriety. They did it because they loved it. And uh, you know when Roy cried on our podcast, like that was a moment I'll never forget.

And what was he doing. He was talking about his buddy and that was sitting across the room from and that wasn't even in the podcast. It was on our highlight reel and um and when Roy said, uh, he said that his friend when he was in the fourth grade wrote him a Valentine's card that said we bear hunters, ain't we? Roy? And uh, ma'am, you just can't. You can't write that kind of stuff. And I I've used

that since then. I made a post the other day on Instagram which is essentially the modern Valentine's card and I had a picture of Shepherd and Bear and my nephew Christian and I were coon hunting, and I said, we coon hunters, Um, but no Roy Clark Man incredible, incredible conversation we had with him Advance. I can't. I can't talk about our podcast without talking about Advance. And that was a really unique one because we went all the way to California for that UM and went to

his house. That one was a stretch because he didn't know me. I didn't know him. I just read the man's book and I was like, this is a guy I want to talk to. And uh, we went to California, him up and they treated us like we were family, you know, And I brought my whole family to his house. And to this day, you know, we're friends with with

Ed and his wife and just incredible people. Um. I'm I'm scrolling through here on some of these other podcasts, Uh, you know, i'd i'd categorized him O Shepherd in that same category to most been on several times and and MO most not quite an old guy. If he's listening to this, I'm gonna give him the I mean, I'm not gonna call him an old guy because he still probably walk up mountains better than me, But Bud, he

but mo. The The other thing that we did that people loved and that I loved was we interviewed a lot of biologists. I got right down to the nitty gritty. I've always loved biology. I've always loved people that actually had the data, had the research. It wasn't anecdotal, it wasn't just like a hunter that just had these isolated observations,

even though would they be a lifetime of observations. Sometimes biology tells a different story and I don't I don't want to be caught up in the wrong facts, and I think, you know, science helps us not do that. So we met with my Iron Means and Sarah Lyda and uh Laura Conley and uh other biologists. Who else did we meet with? Um? I hope I'm not missing somebody. Those were the main ones, and we met with them

even several times at different times over in Oklahoma. Oh yeah, Jeff Ford, Yeah, my buddy Jeff Ford over in Oklahoma. Bara biologists. UM, incredible stuff. Incredible stuff. We uh. But we also did a lot of detailed, tactical style podcast so we had like these the the the interview in the old Guys Biologists, and then I would say tactical how to stuff that. Oftentimes I'd have Brent Reeves, Ryan Grab or other experts. Uh. Heath Martin was on one

of them. Uh mo would have been categorized in one of those, um and where we where we would just nail down specific stuff and tactics. And some of those podcasts are are great resources that we refer to people all the time. Somebody will write us and be like, hey, tell me about baiting bears and we'll go, Man, just listen to that podcast. We talked about it and told everything that we knew. So those are important judging black bears, uh black bear shot placement. Um. We also had some

fun storytelling podcasts. Brent Reeves and on episode that Eddie Ford did a Dueling Stories podcast which was about an hour and fifteen minutes long where we just swap stories. Just I would tell a story, then he'd tell a story. I'd tell the story, he'd tell the story, and we

we told some good ones. Um. But we we also had some We had Cam Spinks on the podcast Country music Guy talked about his hunting and his music, and he was on what was he on the voice the Voice, Blake Shelton's the Voice, and he talked about that we went and visited old Ted Nugent. Yeah, that was a unique podcast for sure. Um oh man, the stories we can tell about that, you just have to go listen to the podcast. We Ted welcomed us into his home.

They were both very hospitable, very hospitable. Um, just very unique people. Yeah, for sure. We also had a lot of in the field podcasts that were that we're talking about what we're doing, Like if we're in Montana bear hunting, we'd do a podcast like in the field if we did want an elk hunt in Montana. I've done many podcasts in the field in Arkansas, like at a camp, at a Turkey camp, at our bear camp, at our deer camps, um, around the Yeah, we've done podcast in

outfitters camps and those are always really good. Get some good intel, kind of get a feel for what it's like to hunt in that particular place. Um. Credible stuff. Man. Well, Hey, the main thing that I want to portray is that this season of interviewing people in these long form formats has been special to me. I've enjoyed it and I

hope you have to. And all these podcasts will remain available as the new meat Eat podcasts begins, they will remain available so you'll be able to go back and listen to these or share them or whatever, and I hope that you will. Kolbe closing thoughts, It's been a

fun right, been a fun ride. Yeah, a lot of value. Yep. Well, thank you all for for listening to us and for the support just that you've given us by listening, by supporting our advertiser, all the you know, I'm gonna ding all the bells, you know, just just the support that you've given us, subscribing to Barroonning magazine, buying merchandise from us, all that stuff is uh, we do deeply appreciate it.

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