Stalking Bears & Bear Attacks with Primitive Outfitting

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It was like he was getting mad at me for not being a walk but I was in a wheelchair. My name is Clay Nucleman. I'm the host of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be your host into the world of hunting the Icon and North American wilderness. There we'll talk about tactics, gear, conservation, but will also bring you into some of the wildest country on the planet chasing. British Columbia is an incredible place to hunt

black bear. In May of nineteen just recently, we were in British Columbia at the camp of Jeff Lander and Primitive Outfitting. In this conversation, Jeff and I are joined by Jeff's longtime friend and got Gary Hillshirt. Gary is a veteran mountain hunter. He's had a lot of experience hunting both black and grizzly bears, and Jeff is a longtime outfitter and veteran northern hunter, and Jeff has had some incredible experiences with black and grizzly bears. On this podcast,

we're gonna talk about stock and bears. So this is a spotting stock hunt that we're on and there's a lot of misconceptions about stock and bears, basically that it's easy, and we go through many examples of things that happened on this hunt that really surprised actually all of us, and so we're gonna talk about this specifics of stalking black bears. We also dive into some of the bear conflicts that these guys have been just an arms reach away from in British Columbia with a black bear, malley

and some grizzlies stuff. So you're gonna enjoy this podcast with Jeff and Gary and British Columbia. Welcome to the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. We are in the wild places of British Columbia, Canada. I cannot give specific details where this camp is, but we're at the camp of Jeff Lander and Primitive Outfitting British Columbia. We're here this week hunting the giant black bears of the far North. Um. So I have his guest today, Jeff Lander and his

good buddy and God. And uh, I'll let you introduce Gary Jeff, but Gary Hillsher but Jeff before we'll introduce Gary first. Well, Gary and I have been guiding together twenty something years now, so real quickly. The first time I met Gary, tax german friend of ours, just up for going on a sheep hunt, and he shows up at the coffee shop. How do you remember these things on his on his crotch rocket, Oh, with a very bright jacket, very bright fluorescent jacket and lightning bolts cut

into the side of his head. No way, So I thought my friend Harley was messing with me with some some dude who who knows. I mean, it was weird. But he lost a bed at work and had to cut cut lightning bolts and his head. So I can't believe we've been married for this long, I know, No, Gary and I have. Yeah, we've done done a lot of stuff together and gone through some good times and crazy times. And yeah, so so he's been he's been guiding for you here at your bear camp for Yeah,

so how long when did that start? Thirteen years ago? Thirteen years ago? Then before is Alberta with white tail? Yeah okay, so in an area that I didn't never even step foot in, I had rifle tags and he ran it up in northern Alberta, okay, way north. So yeah, so Gary's a Gary's a god and he GUIDs all

over the place. Yeah, so what about you introduce yourself. Yeah, well the best thing about you is you're married to in our Kansas absolutely a good one now started ninety four, I think, um in the avanton Boson for white tail. So in Alberta you can buy individual tags versus BC, you've gotta buy a actual hunting area. So when you're a young person trying to get into the outfitting game, Alberta was perfect because you could buy one tag or fifty tags, but you could. That was prime time for

Canadian white tail hunting early nineties. Absolutely, the evanton Boson was the destination before quality deer management started happening in the state side. So yeah, um yeah, so it's been uh, it's been a long time, but and so currently primitive outfitting you got, so you started out with white tail, but now you're primarily guiding moose, mule deer, and black bear, Is that right? Yeah? Yeah, it was white tails. Then I got into mule deer in southern Alberta. I had

about six or seven years of waterfowl in central Alberta. Um, but then waterfall and muled, you're kinda there's a conflict there. I mean as far as the same timing when the birds are coming on at the same time we're hunting muled here. So but I sold all my Alberta stuff to buy here, and then I slowly bought back what

I had in Alberta. Yeah. Yeah, So we're gonna do We're gonna do another podcast on this trip where we're gonna talk about like the just the full gamut of of black bear hunting and what we're doing this week. But on this podcast specifically, I want to want I want to talk about with you guys, is stalking black bears?

Stalking bears? So uh, for people that listen to this podcast a lot, a lot of times, we have these big, like roundtable discussions where it's just we're just talking about general things, but then we have these like pretty specific topic based podcasts and so UM, so that's why what I wanted to talk to you guys about today. I mean, we've been hunting with Gary now for three days, and uh,

we've learned a ton. Um in my experience with black bears is this is the first spotting stock, traditional archery western black bear hunt that I've done. So I've hunted in BC a couple of times, hid in the Western US several times for black bear, uh for with with a rifle, and that's hard enough. On this hunt. Because of well many reasons, I chose to bring the stick bow out here. Jeff is a big time traditional archer, that's all he does. And so um uh the name

it was Outfits, primitive, outfiting. So how could I bring anything but the tread bow. And so this is a big this is this is kind of like another checkbox type hunt for me, really, and I've I've killed spotting stock bears in Arkansas with the tread bow. Um. But I feel like there's a lot of misconceptions about stock and these bears, just in general and the general hunting world. Let me just start off with with the The general conception perception is that bears are stupid, bears are easy

to stock and bears can't see. That's a that's a perception. And but what we have seen in the last three days, Gary, is that uh there there well, and not just the last three days. But they're harder stock than you think. I mean, they really are, and there's there's several reasons for that. But Jeff, if you had to describe what

it takes. And again, we're trying to, especially with the stick boat, we're trying to get inside of twenty yards and I heard Gary say many times this week it's it's pretty not easy, but doable to get inside of fifty even with most animals. But closing that distance down to twenty and under, Yeah, I mean you're you're up in his is grill big time. And you gotta do a lot of things right, I gotta have a lot of things going for you. But Jeff, how would you

describe stalking black bears? What what does it take? You gotta know one to move and no one to stop, basically, so um and Gary's experiences are different. And I'm glad you said this is the you know, the time you're gonna do it, because you would have been probably tagged out by now if you rifle one thing. But I don't know if that's good or bad. That one is huge. But anyway, I mean I think what most folks who

come up here are confused. I know last week, Um, when I when I start like, I close the distance and I close it fast. And even if I'm wide open to these bears and he's walking away or his heads down or he's not looking, I bug because part of the issue up heres wind. Wind can kill you, and it can change very quickly as well as you saw in fields or on the you know, in the

meadows or on the logging roads or whatever. It's never a consistent in your face spent two So when when the moment is right, you better capitalize on that moment. So my approach and Gary's is probably different. But I try to get within sixty seventy yards as fast as I can in the wide open and then stop and whatever. And um, you're dealing with bears that that are looking over their shoulders for grizzlies. I mean I've seen seven this week. Um they don't like them, you know, I mean,

there's so they're tiggy to begin with. And yeah, so move move fairly quick and and that let me stop on that point right there, because that is something that's very different than stalking an ungulate, is that like these bears we've been seeing there out in the middle of the field with their head in the grass, and they are they're not a prey animal. They don't have eyes on the sides of their head, they don't quite have the prifeal vision, well, they don't have near the perfeal

vision of an ungulate. And so like, if that bears butt is towards you and his head is in the grass, you can move fast towards him. They're they're not they're not you know you do that on a deer. I mean he's gonna he's got a routine where every fifteen seconds he's lifting his head and getting it basically a three and sixty degree view around him. That's the one place that the bear is weak is you know, he's a predator. He's got eyes on the front of his head.

And so that key right there. I think it's significant when you can move move fast, you get busted if you did that with a deer. Yeah, but you'll notice too when you're watching them that they are i mean they're swinging their heads and they're they're keeping tabs of what's going on around them. While see in some of the places you've been that notoriously where you've been hunting is big grizzly country. Yes one in particular who's there

pretty much every year, and so they're casual. But you watch them mostly through a scope or through good binoculars, and they're swinging their heads and they're looking. They're looking at the edges there. They know what's around them. They do and a lot of times with mostly the big boars, and it's what gets them killed. Is there cocky and you know that the sows and the smaller boars will just fly off, you know, wherever they're at if they

see something. But sometimes there's big boars. They're aggressive. You know, they'll tolerate you to a certain point, mostly during the rut, and if you get aggressive with them as well, that's what gets them killed because they they're proud that when you say you get aggressive with let let them see you. If he's with a sow, we we wollf at and we do what they do And a lot of times they come back for that second look, which is what

gets them to narrow and do them right. This time of year, we're dealing with bears are feeding coming right out of the den. Um. You know, they're powering up because they haven't eaten in five right, So now they're not quite as aggressive, No, but they also are They're pretty protective of their prime feeding spots, so they can be. But it's yeah, um, so these bears, and I thought that was a good point, and I wouldn't have thought of it. I'm owned until you said it the other day.

But these bears are edgy not because of hunting pressure. They're edgy because there's a First of all, there's a lot of black bears here. I mean we're seeing we're seeing a lot of bears. I told I told Brent, we're seeing as many bears here on spot and stock hunt typically as we would on a good baited hunt in Canada. Really, I mean seeing seven or eight bears a day. Um. And that's some of that's just driving down the road and seeing one across the road. But so there's a lot of bears, a lot of big

black bears, but also a wad of grizzly bears. So these bears are constantly on edge. Yesterday we I stalked a bear that we didn't fully, we hadn't really gauged him that much. We didn't know if he was a shoot or not. But we went ahead and they sent me around and I got way out from the guys while they were on one side of the field, and I got with him, probably thirty to forty yards of this bear. And uh, we're not sure if the wind got me or what happened, but I think he may

have heard me. Gary. I walked underneath one of these big fur trees. It had rained, and so it was it was pretty pretty quiet everywhere else, but just the way I had to go, I had to walk into this fir tree where it was dry, and I mean I was Indian tiptoe and and uh, I stepped on one little stick and uh, I couldn't even see the bear. But after I stepped on my stick, I slowed down and I saw the bear's head raised up. And I think he heard that stick and thought I was a bear.

He didn't hear that stick and think I was a man. He heard a stick and thought I was a bear, and I was like a bear coming And he didn't booger off too bad, but he it changed his trajectory and he moved out of the way, and I mean it was just kind of like, jeez, I thought this was gonna be a little easier than this. And bear just put a run in another bear about a half an hour earlier and put that bear up a tree in front of us. Right. He was jittery already, came

right out and did that. Was pretty cool. Yeah, Gary, what so let's say you're you're you're taking somebody, what do you You gave me some instruction when uh when when we first met earlier this week, Uh, what would you tell a guy that was spotting the stalking bears out here? I think Jeff answered that, Um yeah, same thing with Jeff said, you know when they're um covered the distance fast. Over the years, we've had a lot of guys because of deer hunting, you know, that's mainly

what they've done. Where they um they moved so slow and everything's um indicated for how they move in and the wind changes so fast here so many times that uh yeah, cover that first whatever x amount of hundreds of yards and down to that sixty seventy yard distance with that fifty yard distance, uh as fast as you can so um, you know, before the wind changes, especially where we were in that field. I mean, that feels

hard to hunt regardless we've got it done there. You know, quite a few times there's certain parts that field are so so hard to hunt because the wind is swirling right and um um yeah, those bears I mean, like, well, like most animals, their noses are amazing, even if it looks like they're not paying attention. What's cool is when I get to sit back, Um, I like a lot of guys, I gotta go in with them, and you're

doing the stalks yourself with that, which I think is awesome. Um. We get to see what the bear does and you get to see that head come up constantly, even what like you said, it's not really it looks like it's not really looking, but man, it's wind checking. And you can a lot of times kind of see them smacking their lips and I think they're almost i don't know, tasting the wind or something looks weird, um, but just

checking that out right. Um. Um, like Jeff said, because of just a lot of the bears and a lot of the grizzly bears around them. Um, you know, who knows what goes on for the things we don't see who knows how many of those uh those big boars, how many cubs they kill? Um and and all that kind of stuff that goes down that you just you know, most people never never ever get to see. So they're they're they're kind of want to edge. But even like the big boar we did a stock on yesterday, you know,

everything went. I honestly thought you were at least going to get a shot, you know, and perfect spot, perfect uh ditch that we were in on the old logging road, and and for that thing to just kind of step out. And sometimes they don't do that either, by the way, I mean, and look back and and and and see. Let me tell a cameraman, you know, I'm like, are you kidding me? Let's talk about that situation specifically. I've got I've got two other stories from this week that

I want to talk about. But we saw this bear from probably close to half mile away on our road. We're driving down a logging road. See a bear kind of through the trees, long before we saw the truck. There's a bear on the road. We say, Gary backs the truck up. We get out of the truck wins, hitting us dead in the face. Everything's perfect. Bears walking down the road towards us. We closed the distance quickly.

We couldn't even see the bear. I mean, so we're moving as fast as we can walk, you know, And we get to probably a hundred and fifty yards and we see the bear and he's kind of in the ditch and there's a there's a drain that there's a low spot in the road with a culvert in between us and the bear. Later we ranged it and we were a hundred yards away from the bear. Jeff. He was kind of off in the ditch, and I mean,

we're in the chips man. He doesn't see us. He's got his head in the grass, winds in our face. We get two hundred yards and and so we got brand as a caraman Gary there and they're in the ditch. Gary's crouched. Brent has the camera up on a tripod, which that later we're learning we're gonna have to get lower. But I mean, they were the least of my concerns in terms of busting this bear. Well, when I left out with them and dropped in this ditch, to bear

couldn't even see me. When I popped out of the ditch. I was gonna be probably under fifty yards from the bear. And I get down on the ditch and start coming back up the other side, and I mean, just thinking this is about to happen, and there they start calling me off. I kind of peeked back around and there. I don't know if they whistled at me or it was just like, what what are we doing here? Guys? And obviously you know the bear spooked he and they said, Gary,

what did he do? Well, I'll just look back at us and and and you guys weren't moving. No. I mean usually in that case that that shouldn't happen, but it did. That's just the way it go was right, look back at us and and um yeah, and just realize something's not right, and then slowly walked off. And then when you came back up, then we got to watch it go into a cot and slow right down, and you could even hear a wolf from the cot

a little bit right. And and the cool part of that story is that the other group of guys we told them to try to go after the bear, probably the same bear, and they got three stocks on it. For whatever reason. He's a big, big boar Um, he just really jiggy for whatever reason, maybe he did the same thing to these times. And they going on it three times with a compound, you know what, thirty seven forties something like all and the um and the hunter was at full draw and the bear didn't eve give

him one second to shoot. Now that's kind of a rare situation. I mean, for whatever reason, when the winds in your face. But uh, because four street guys are back there, it just goes to show you that what what it taught me is that you just can't take anything for granted. I mean, whatever animal you're stalking to, you better put your as we say, the triple snake on them, right, I mean, because you know what, like this, I would be surprised if I see a bigger bear

than that one on this hunt, you know. I mean. So it's like and not that we were taking it nonchalant, because we weren't at all. But at the same time, we just assumed that this wouldn't be a problem, and it was, and so you know, I mean, it just it just all all of us were like, well, we should have done this, you know, we should have set up behind the brush pile or you know, and I mean, you just learned something. But and that wasn't the only time that we spooked to bear by sight this week.

And obviously our situation is a little bit different because we've got three guys, big camera and so I mean we're a lot of sense. Typically on a well, if your hunt in Canada, you gotta have a guide, if you're an American hunting here, so I mean, usually there's gonna be two guys. Um. But Gary, the first bear that we saw this week, we were hunting. We walked

into a field. Man, the hunting here is incredible. The first place we went, first day we were here, we got here like three o'clock in the afternoon, and by five o'clock we were hunting. Gary took us to this this big field and uh, we popped up over this little ridge and man, there was a big bear feeding at four hundred yards. There was a bear directly in front of us, probably at well he was kind of around the bend, but at three yards. And there was

another bear over here at probably three hundred yards. I mean it was just like that's affter. You drove back grizz with two cups, right. Yeah. The first bear that we the first bear encounter that we had was it looked like a big, big mama griz. Well she had cubs. It was a female, but it wasn't a small griz. Yeah, I saw her from the road. Um, but we're trying to decide which bear to go after, and we could tell one was pretty big, but one was in kind of a better place to stalk. So we said, well,

let's just let's just ease down in there. And uh, that bear was a hundred fifty yards away I think hunt maybe maybe a hundred and twenty, and uh, we kind of peeked out around the edge and uh, glass this bear and the wind was good. He threw up his head, looked at us and just moved into the timber like they do, kind of just tiptoe and off. I was shocked, And I think you were too, Gary, weren't you. Yeah, I'm not what I was for sure. I mean it didn't even it just it broke the

stereotype of what you typically think about bears. But I think the reason for that was too is as uh as we're discussing this, is that there's there was so many bears, well not so many, but three bears there and that bigger boar being down the field, which we eventually went after. Um, they're a little more on edge when you have that many bears around. Um yeah, usually it's not quite that difficulty. No, they've been seeing us. It seems like this year or more whatever it made

us because it's so concentrated. As far as the food, it's so concentrated. There's I mean, who knows what we're not seeing, you know, so they're probably so Yeah. So there's a lot of snow up in the high country, right and that we had a long winter. Yeah, yeah, we had a long winter, and I think, um war as we could probably be hunting a little bit higher

right now, and not just the way the years go, right. Um, you know, any bear that salad is probably down either along the railway tracks feeding or in these abandoned farm fields or along the old logging roads, which is basically right out down here, right. We've already driven up wants to check things out and U um yeah, and we're

just snowed in up top right now. And if you were not that snowed in right So, Um, just a lot more bears concentrated, and I'm for sure that's what making am a little more jiggier on the edge, right, and we've already seen him. So that just shows you that there's all these factors inside of inside of hunting these bears that maybe you wouldn't necessarily think about. I mean, like the fact that these bears are concentrated, it's gonna make them more more skittish out of humans, but of bears.

And like that bear when he saw that, the first bear hundred twenty yards away, I mean, I don't he probably didn't think we were humans. Maybe he did. He just saw something that wouldn't have elk standing on the edge of a field, kind of a blob. It was just like m hmm, maybe that's you know, maybe I thought we were grizzly. I don't know, but he moved off. Let me take the conversation here to just for people that maybe I don't know a lot about bears, or

or maybe they do. But bear eyesight, they say it is really equivalent to ours. They see color. You know, Ungulus don't see color. Bears see color because from a biological perspective, they've got to be able to tell the difference between a ripe berry and an unripe berry. That's the way I've heard it described. I mean, you know, like they need that color differentiation to be able to pick their food. I mean that's probably the only reason. But bears sea color pretty much equivalent to us. Their

eyesight is uh a lot like ours binocular vision. Um, they even have depth perception like ours. But because they're not a prey animal and they don't have that really heightened flight response to danger like a deer. A lot of times people perceive bears is having bad eyesight, which really a lot of times they just don't care. Like I think that's the thing. Like a lot of times a bear he probably sees you or perceives that something

is over there, but he just doesn't care. And so people go, well, bears are half blind, but they're really not blind. So in a situation like this where the bears are heightened because of gre is because a lot of black bear, then all of a sudden, I mean what we're seeing is they see just fine. Any thoughts on that yet? No, I agree with you. Yeah, they do. They see Uh yeah, I think they see as well as we do for sure. Um. And that's a good

good way to put it. I mean what you just said there, I mean is kind of new to I haven't heard it that way, you know, as far as uh, um, color and and and yeah that's interesting. Um, but no they see and I think you're right they don't. Sometimes they just don't care, you know, the bigger ones don't. Except for the one last night he did care. Yeah, it as close. Um yeah, yeah, So I mean this time of year, you're you know, we're just dealing with him coming out. I mean last week I literally was

seeing bears that could not stand for more. In about thirty seconds, they laid down, drooling. They just came out of the den. Every bear that we've shot so far has hair between his toes and his claws. You know, he has been walking along at least on anything hard. Um. So yeah, it's a it's it's a rifle rifle hunter's dream here, a stick bows nightmare. But when you get it done with a stick, it's you know, like we had a young guy shoot one here a couple of

nights ago at twelve yards. You know, that bear never looked up feeding walked right into him. So each bear is different, and when it comes together, it's pretty pretty awesome because they're up close and personal and and uh if they want, they can bat you around pretty quickly. Well, Jeff,

tell us the story about the bear you encountered last night. Yeah, I just in another another area, another zone from um, we have the guy's covered, So I'm just you know, when the hunters covered here, because we killed out two bears on Sunday night. So just be checking out another zone with with Dave, my friend Dave from Alaska. And yeah, he just he was just a really big black bear and he uh, it was raining and came through that stretch and there was a big fresh pile. I hain't

been anything there the last couple of days. Big fresh pile went up and hung out until the rain let off and came back. So he's probably a hundred yards and I at first I thought he was a grizzly m because he just had a big hump on him. But he was black, and no, I just yeah, it

worked out. You rushed in. I'm just like you said, you you saw him he ran yeah, yeah, and closed the distance to fifty Yeah, he was he had his head away from me and he was kind of over the edge a little bit, and so I was able to move close one spot where he was probably twenty five yards and I had to get around this willow and risk it when he had heads down, which I got around him and got to eighteen. But he's over the edge and I could just see the top of

his back and maybe four inches from the top. No shot and then uh and then at that point I realized that he was he was. He was really big. And then I had my bow up. I had to take one step up to get the shot to get clear, and he just turned and looked and saw me and he scdaddled very quickly, so he just bolted. Oh my gosh. He did not know what I was. The wind was good, no idea, just knew something was there real close to him. And thankfully he ran the other way and it was

all down willows and like a beaver pond. And as he's on in a way, I just like, wow, that that is a giant, you know. Yeah. I mean he couldn't move very fast like some of these younger bears. They can haul, you know, they can grip and go, but he was struggling to get across here. So that was great. Spooked to him out of there. But he didn't know what I was, and there's not much green over there. Um, yeah, it's just and that's the first stock I've had myself, well second in eight years, you know.

I mean I see a lot of these things. We stuck a lot, and we we shoot a lot of them and never had much of a desire because I've ship shot quite a few of them with my stickboat, but kind of got the fire. It's it's cool being close to these and these things or majestic animals in the world they live in every day, you know. And I stopped doing two bears killing two bears because a lot of folks would kill one. They just want to kill another one, not taking into account what that bear

has gone through. The spect factor was not there. I mean not with every guy. I'm not saying every guy's like that or a person is like that, but they're not they they're not everywhere. And to get that size, like what Frank shot the other night, you know, that's probably I don't know, I'd say seven eight year old bear, maybe younger. He was young, but some of the big big bears were killing or in that ten year and older,

and uh, you got to give him respect. I mean they what they I mean, they're getting dragged out of their dens by wolves in the winter. It's known thing. Mostly the young bears. They're find a lot of you know, bear claws and the wolf's cat. We got a lot of wolves around here, and you know, it's mandatory that every one of my hunters has a wolf tag because we're killing them if we can. And we go very often.

I've seen two this last week, but usually we can go season and not but that chance of for fifty bucks a wolf stands out there. Even it's the bow hunters. There's no messing around with the bow. It's like you grab your guys going and you shoot. And we've had them shot guys life size and which is hilarious because their hides are brutal. I mean, but you know, we take it for granted up here, but a lot of people can't shoot wolves, and a lot of people in

the West don't like wolves. I mean, they're part of the Canadian experience, just as important as anything else, you know. I don't think, let me think about this before I say it. I'm pretty sure that I have never seen a wolf in Canada. All that I mean, I've hunted a lot in Canada. I do not think i've ever seen a wolf limonas in Canada. The only wolf I seene was in Ottaho. That just shows you how elusive

they are because they're everywhere. Oh yeah, but there, you know, besides the mature board grizzly, they are the smartest critter out there. Yeah, they have to be. Are they smarter in a wild hog? Jeff? Everybody talking about how smart or smart wild I would attest the fact that wild big boar hogs are very smart because they elude me big time or smell me. So but yeah, I think so they probably they are. They are m m well. And and then so you said they're evading to get

to that ten year old range. They've they've evaded wolves, they've evaded predation by black bears. They've also avoided getting killed by a grizzly, which probably would be I mean, grizzlies aren't like seeking out black bears to kill them, but they would. I mean, the opportunistic omnivores, they would. They'd kill a cub if they could in a heartbeat. And then conflicts inside of feeding and stuff. I'm sure there's black bear fatalities by grizzlies probably fairly common, And

I bet you vice versa. You think some of the black bears get the griz of a grizzly running from a big black bear. Really, yeah, So I think in a lot of these big mature for black bears are tore up like they've gotta be fighters to live. So I think I don't think these these big bore black bears are running from grizzlies. I think they hold their own I really do. Yeah, And I used to think that they wouldn't be in the same vicinity, but then

I've seen them many times. You know, elk here, grizzly here, black bear here, guy shoots black bear, the other two runaway. Whatever. But um, Gary tell us about the We talked about this a lot this week, Jeff, uh the the common theme that you hear from outfitters and stuff. Yeah, I mean even a lot of the old school outfitters that are like are amazing. I mean, growing up and not knowing so much about this stuff, I'd always hear all, if you're seeing grizzlies, are not gonna see blocks and all.

My goodness, I mean, at least in this area. That's been including in my own hunting career when I used to grizzle beer hunt as a kid. Um that was proven so wrong. I've been on avalone shoots and seeing you know, um, three black bears, four black bears out there feeding in a big giant Grizzli and don't get me wrong, are all aware of each other and they give each other space, but they're out. I mean, that's the only green in the country. And uh, it's not

like the grizzlies pushing off the block service first. And we got video here over the years. Actually here has proved it anywhere else. Um in one of the areas we we hunt where Jeff was saying earlier, and that's not the only experience where um, this boar, I mean, this grizzlies out and it's not a big grizz but that's not the point. It's still a three four year old grizzly bear. And you know those black bear walks out and puts a run on it. Now once they

kind of sniffed each other out. Because the people that were there with us had an amazing evening. The grizzly came back out no different. When we were hiking out last night, we actually saw an other bear that we wanted to stalk. Two nights ago, I'm closer to my

truck there right, And it was the bigger bear. It wasn't you know, a shooter, we thought, and and uh and also the smaller bear comes out and they didn't see each other, but they definitely winded each other pretty quick, and that smaller bear put a round on the bigger bear and then they kind of tried to figure things out. So, um, it's amazing how I don't know why that's such. That's

one of those wives kills. I mean, the first thing, the first day we were here, we saw that disproved because we well, over the course of two days we saw that big sal grizz with the two cubs, the tasty freeze as they call it. And then the very next day and the I mean probably within thirty feet

of where that grizz was there was a sound. But then we went just a hundred yards on the rod and there was another grizzly with a club right there and so there and they knew each other, was there for sure, you know, yet they're they're feeding around, so like, yeah, um, that's definitely one of those things that's a misconception. You know that abot grizzly bears around there's no block bears around.

But the whole grizzly thing adds a dimension of this hunt that, uh, I would have only experienced in Alaska, you know. I mean in Alaska you're constantly aware of grizzlies, you know, and wouldn't carry handguns in Alaska. So I remember Jeff on the hunt of Alaska. One time I went on a hunt and I just left my my pistol at home or at at the tent on accident, and man, I was like paranoid. That whole hunt here

we can't carry because we're in Canada. Um. But the grizz adds just a super cool dimension to this hunt. And talking about stalking black bears, um twice. Now, we've been hunting this big field that you guys have said it is typically holding a big grizz and I'm over there bear crawling to stalk on these bears for like a hundred fifty yards. I'm on my hands and knees, you know, with the tread bow in one hand, and

I'm thinking what am I gonna do? And I slip up on Mama grizz about fifteen yards away when she steps out into the field, and uh it adds a dimension. It's a whole dimension to the even a stock, because the idea of the stock is that you're slipping along quiet. When you're a grizzly bear country and you're a hiker, they're like, we're bells on your shoes, you know, like make noise, let them know you're there. When you're stalking,

you're not making any noise. Now, Gary is like he doesn't pay much attention to him or Jeff, are you paranoid at all about grizzlies. That's that's the wrong word. I think you have to be. Yeah, you know, I bought these uh these e bikes, these Trek e bikes

us last year. They were new last year, and I honestly have changed my tune on those on some of the places we hunt, because you know, it's curvy, it's rolling, you've got log box, and you know you can be on something very very quickly, which we did last year on a couple you know, four year olds. But you gotta get him a healthy Uh Yeah. So you're saying you could be cruising along not making making very little

noise on that e bike. Come around a log pile and there's a grizz there and bam, he just yeah. I mean the big boards probably not. They wrote up on when last week at thirty yards or thirty five yards where you were hunting, past where you were at up More fields. I mean he was in the ditch. All he saw it was his home. He just lifted his head and stared at him. And this is my other guy, Ryan and his hunters, they just kind of I want Tom quickly turned around got out of there.

But the other to just if that was a sow with young cups, likely you're going to have an encounter very quickly. So, um, I think it makes you better hunter. I think you're more aware. I know as a guy, I'm way more aware. Um. Even Gary this started carrying his gun everywhere most places. Gary doesn't really you know, he figures that nothing's going to happen, and you know it's not. Is a self medic. So we need to hear a few stories about that too. Well, we got

a lot of Gary stories, but that's for another podcast. No, yeah, you gotta have a healthy respect for him. You know, I got a mid I'm one of those guys just take it for granted and it's just not cool. I have been charged a few times to um to basically point blank range, you know, And and again I got a mit. Back then I kind of thought it was a joke. But let's just face it, there's there's human

lives here involved. There's families, there's kids, and over the years I'm in in the community, I'm not referring to hear right here, but um, we've lost acquaintances, right and the pre uh percussions of that just right down through I'm like a gain family, children, wives, et cetera. Is huge And for whatever ridiculous reason, you know, I just

never thought that way. Um. You know, I've been charged off of a moose kill, not only that that moose is dead, on a totally different hunt with with a grizzly bear hunter just going into set up for the evening, and and umm, it is not at all referring to

what most clients will or will not do. But as arrogant this may sound, I got to realize, I don't know you, and you could be the world's greatest hunter, but I gotta still taking consideration that I don't know your reaction to a charge down to maybe ten fifteen five yards And in a few times that I have been point blank charge. I'm not about bluff charge. You learned to read that over the years. But a few times I've been point blank chard arched. Um, my hunters

have lost it. And these are good guys, these are good human beings, you know what I mean, I mean, absolutely lost it. And then um, and I've given me the gears like why didn't you shoot? And I'm like, well, there's so much a goal through a guide said, we gotta learn a really really respect each other. Like you know, I gotta put myself in your shoes where you're coming from, and and the and the clients gotta put themselves in

the guide shoes. Well, first of all, you're paying X amount of dollars back when it was open for this hot I don't want to shoot because if I shoot, um, this almost through your head. And you know what a second right. But again, my hunters and in the times I've been charged, have lost it. And in hindsight, Um, regardless, Um, you know how strict they are, which is whatever it is. You know, the laws here in BC right now with

grizzy bear hunting be shut down. Um, human life is far more important than any animal life, any animal for that matter, And I should have shot, I should have shot. I didn't. Nothing happened. But uh, it's gotta be going through your head too now, even more so than before that man, you shoot a guzly where you got a pretty tough road to the government. That is that true? Yeah, there,

it's like a murder investigation. Wow, you know, but I've instructed my guys that, you know, if if, if it's a serious charge, like Schneider and Brian Call had a charge two years ago on a moose hunt, and I think they should have killed that because the way he was looking, he was not afraid of I'll deal with

the government whatever. But life is, you know, to be afraid of losing or for me losing my license, or these guys losing their privileges to guide, because if you shoot a bear in that split second of not you know, if you don't and he's on you, Um, it's it's ugly, right. But yet these black bears could kick your tail as quickly as any griz as I can. And it's amazing how the heart rate is different from a big black bear versus a big grizzly, yet the consequences could be

the same. That crossed my mind last night. Yeah, you know, daves and it's raining. He can't even see me, and I'm just standing there looking at you know. I mean if that thing said, I mean, yeah, the most predatory black bear predatory black bear encounters or or situations probably have been in BC. Mm hmm probably. I mean I'm kind of shooting off the hip there. Well, I mean we had we had one, you know, yeah, do you want to tell us about that? I mean, it's just yeah,

he Uh, these guys are residents. I've known him for a long time and we're moose hunting. I had clients in and we're way down on in my area of very remote we have we won't get there. We can't get there now because of the snow. But he they've been down there eighteen years and they've always had bears that would come in and around because it's their camp. But so my moose hunters left on a Wednesday. We killed a big ball. Some mistakes were made, no doubt.

I was concerned, um, without the you know a little. I was concerned about the scent and garbage control. The moose was dragged right into camp four wheelers. You know, there's just a lot of things adding up to it, and I had a young couple in the gal was the age of my daughters or my oldest daughter anyway, so I wanted to get her out of there. I just had a bad feeling, and so I said, you know, we're gonna butcher this moose and I'm gonna take my

truck down park it, which we did. So I got her out of there, got her down here, and her husband's stayed for another day or two. Anyway, they left on a Wednesday, Tuesday. My two guides took their sons out and they killed a bull themselves. They had to draw tag as residents, and then they took that back home. Didn't come back there as it came back Friday, and their pelican cooler was out in this common area. So you had cooked tent and two sleeping tents. They're all

five ft ten ft apart from each other. And the pelican was pulled out with a big tooth mark in it. Mm hmm. So they pulled it back in and and uh, I went to bed. Paul, Paul and Dave great guys, great guys. But anyway, so Paul heard something in the cook tent. He said, Hey, Dave, I think there's a bear. And before he even got in the cook tent, that bear was through the wall tent. That was well with most wall tents after the first year. The zipper doesn't

work me, it's just notorious. They don't. So it flew in, hit him on his cot, started his feet ripped and just to clarify, this is a black bear, three pound bore, black bear, well fit. This isn't the grids. He's predatory, this guy. And so he ripped his calf off his leg like literally bit tore this guy's on his cot. Yeah, did he even have a chance to get up, No, he's asleep. Basically he was still awake. Everyone else's asleep. Did they have guns close by? Yeah, it didn't matter.

He was on him. And then so we've got to realize the seventeen year old son was in there. Dave's eighteen year old son was in there in each corner of this huge it's about the size of different different different, yeah, different, Dave and uh, yeah, So he grabbed him and then he just kind of worked his way up rips cat. He's screaming now and uh and and moved up to his legs, was biting and he had a bunch of puncture wounds in his thigh and then a big tear

across his chest. I mean, you couldn't have a more perfect tattoo. I mean, it's this thing is awesome. I mean five right across, and so Dave wakes up, grabs his gun. I don't know if I don't think it was loaded. This is all happening. The boy's reaction were different. The one thought it was a dream and just pulled his sleep bag over his head and was trying to wake up. And the other kid was, you know whatever, was waking up and watching. Anyway, So Dave shot the bear.

The bears on top of Paul. Paul's bear hugging it, trying to push it off. So the bullet went through the bear and took his elbow out. So now he's dropping the f bombs. You you blew my f and elbow off, And meanwhile the bear is going to town right hits him again, and then the bear gets off. He gets off. Paul goes to the corner, goes underneath the kids caught. He's trying to get out now out of the tent, goes along the back side of the wall.

Tent knocks the woodstove over, so now we got smoke billowing. He jumps on top of the other kid in his cot. He's under sleep bag, it's on top. He's trying to get out. And then he goes out of the corner and then exits, goes to the other tent where there was two guys, walks in. Does you turn watks back out? The bears have been shot twice. Believe it's twice? Want to?

I think it was twice. And then Dave now is out in that little a little common area and the bears wheezing and you know what I mean, he's his lungs are filling. He goes back into the original tent. The eighteen year old boy had a defender shot again. The guy who was attacked is telling him how to load it, how to jack it in, and you know, shoot it. I mean, as he's tore up and so boom, he shoots a bear. Bear drops right next to the bears a five gallon propane tank. Mhm, I have the picture.

I'll show it. It's insane. And then the bear died, and then I had then and it was years ago, and that was it was a two hour I don't have to drive out of there. In course, they got Global Star, which sucks compared to Ridium, so they can't get out. They can't get a signal. So Dave throws Paul in his truck and he tells the two his two friends, and then the two boys keep calling, keep calling until you get through, telling to meet us. Met him down kind of by those log box over here

at the bottom of the main logging road. That's where the ambulance was. I'm in Calgary because I'm starting MULED here. I'm waiting for landing to fly in from Arkansas. I got a call from Jared wilkeson good friend of mine. He's with BC Wildlife Federation. He goes, did you hear about the attack on the river, And immediately I'm just like, oh, because no one's down there. Did I just say the river? I did, didn't I? Anyway? Whatever, it's a big, big area, so yeah. So I called him and he uh, the

phone answered, but no one said hello. I could just hear him telling the doctor do not amputate my arm. I had quick Copenhagen two years before. I drove straight to seven leven about two cans. I just sat there. Might have bad bottle, bottle of whiskey. I don't even know. It was pretty pretty pretty crazy and it changed this guy's life, like I said, when I used to take this first ground at it, you know, and and like

and I don't know more. I just want to state that that uh um, you know, his whole life has been changed, right as he machinists by trade or what was he again? It works at the lumber yard and you know he I mean, he couldn't do his job, and he's gone through X amount of um plastic surgery or a reconstructive surgery and rehab and and and that kind of stuff, you know, and so um, it's not

a joke, you know, that said. I just want to stay too though, like you know, as they give crazy stats about everything nowadays, he had a better chance of being struck by lightning to be attacked by a bear. But for whatever, you know, you still gotta respect him, Like I don't want to put a fear in people's hearts that you know, every bear we see here is gonna come out. You know, I've never had to pull the trigger yet on a bear, right, so I mean

on being charged or bluff charged or whatever. And uh, but it can happen. To add this back into stock on bears, though you're exactly right about the statistic that you know, you'd be, you'd be higher probability to be instruct my lightning, but his bear hunters we are in a whole other category. I mean, that's a statistic of

all people on the planet. I mean typically. I had a buddy tell me that twenty one year old kid, good friend of mine, and we were talking about bear tax or something, and I was like, I was kind of the same way, just like, I mean, it didn't even cross my mind. And he said, Clay, do you realize that you, of all people, probably have you know, higher odds have been attacked by a bear just because of you're around it. How many times you're hunting them

off the ground? Was you know? And I was like, you know, you're probably right, But now you're right though, Gary, I mean, there's no reason to fear them, but massive reason to respect them. We'll put massive. Yeah, we're much higher odds than people living in downtown Vancouver. Yeah, it'll never happen there, so yeah, I know, I mean, yeah, I keep Yeah, Atlantic gets mad at me. I said, that's probably how it's gonna be That's how you're gonna go.

Probably gonna be a grizzly and it's gonna be you know, I won't be paying attention. I hope not. I'm pretty aware what's going on. You know, we'll see hundreds and hundreds between jeff I and Ryan by the time this, you know, our our five six weeks is done here, you know. Um yeah, we'll see a lot a lot of bears and you're tracking I mean bears, and it's just part of the game, you know. I've I've said before that probably the most dangerous thing that we do

as bear hunters, as tracking bears. I mean, I've never once had a close encounter with a wounded bear, but that's probably the most vulnerable situation because you are a little bit out of your element. You've already killed an animal, and so you're not in sneak mode anymore. You're halfway celebrating because you've you feel like you've taken an animal. I mean, most of the time you're tracking anim what

do you think you're gonna find it? And it's gonna be dead, and so you know, you're you're in a different mode than before the kill, and uh yeah, I've thought about that more and more as I've as I've hunted more and more. It's like, if there was a place where you probably had higher odds of taking a bear charge, it could be on a wounded animal. Well, and my whole, my whole view has changed since what happened. Yeah,

for sure, Like I'm not as aggressive. Like if you had a boar and a sow and they went into the thick brush before I would charge and a wolf and have my hunter right behind me because he'll face off. You know, he'll be in there, like what's going on. I don't do that anymore because it's stupid. Basically, I think about it, and my boss just called me stupid. Yeah, I wasn't talking about you, Gary necessarily, but we both

do it. It was effective, but they're aggressive. I've had a vehicle charge by an aggressive boar black bear with a sow, and and now we're we're resort more to predator calls. Mostly later we get a lot more brush, a lot more jungle as it grows, and you don't really you have to pull him out. And so now we're pulling him out with with the pressure calls a little phelps call, Hey, this is a little bit of

a segue here, but pred your call. So yesterday they're all the way across the field, Brent and Gary, and I'm stalking and we don't have any communication of the just line of sight. And every now and then I threw up my binos and we'll be trying to get some information from them about where this bear was. And I ducked into the timber and they were seeing a bear that I wasn't seeing, and they were like, how we're gonna get his attention? And uh, Gary goes, well,

I'll predator call at him. And so they're just I guess, just wearing this predator call out over there. I just blew it a few times. Yeah, and I don't hear the predator call. And then Brent goes, well, clayo respond to a bared owl. If I bared owl at him, he'll respond, and uh so Gary goes, okay, bart awl at him. So he's and it never occurred to me

at what I thought. I told Brent. This's yesterday. I was like, man, they got bared owls in Canada, and then over there trying to they're just trying to flag me down. Finally, Gary walks over to me and he's like, way, did you not hear us? Here's alan pressure colin a little bit, a little bit. Yeah, he did, he did. It was it was it was like, why didn't you hear? And then I told him I'm literally deaf? Am I right here? No? No, no really, it was like it was like it was getting mad at me for not

being a walk but I was in a wheelchair. I said, Gary, in my right ear, I have lost like sixty of my hearing. I cannot hear of my right here. But I did hear the bar down and then he felt bad. I'm so sorry. I know I've seen it a hundred times. He takes it serious. I like it, man, you know, really, when you're when you're with the god, I want a god that's got an opinion and it's got what wants you to do stuff. Because I've been with him that that don't you know they're just kind of there to

appease you so you don't lack opinions usually. You know. I'm getting better though, I know, I just don't. Yeah, I've grown up a little bit. It's taking me fifty some years, but I'm growing up dating opinions though I don't get paid enough to do this job. No, we did. We did. Uh. At one point yesterday we were looking at a bear and Gary had the buyos and at the time I had forgot my bonos and and uh, and I said that that bear is walking away from us and he said, he said, no, it's not Clay.

And I said, Gary, the bear is walking away from us, and he said, no, it's not. And I mean I was confident. I said that bear is walking away from me. I honestly thought that Jeff told you to do something to get a reaction. Not I thought you were messing with me. And then he was like, looked at the buyos and I was like, the bears walking towards us. So usually right, Usually, yeah, he's usually right. I've learned that. Well, all this talk about like bear attacks and stuff, I

think it's relevant. It's a relevant conversation with stocking bears on the ground. I mean, and it's really not something that bear hunters are really thinking about too much, but they probably shouldn't. Things they do that you need to pay attention to, right, like when you're when we're close to him, like let's say, a sal with a cub she's making a bunch of racket whatever whatever. But there's different you know, popping to the teeth, hitting their things.

But ironically, the last, usually the last thing they do before it's going to be a situation is yawn. Yeah. Yeah, they open their mouths, and that's when they're to their breaking point. It's bizarre. Yeah, And you know, obviously with sALS of cubs where we might take some photos, but we don't. We don't mess around too much with them. Even though style black bear isn't necessarily going to finish out an attack like like a like a grizzly, But there's you know, there's things that they do that and

mostly those boards. They start popping their shoulders walking, you know, just like they know you're there. Their posturing like any other thing, like a grouse that you see puffing up, and so there's ways to read them too. That's enough, We've got to back out of here. Okay, this is

this is he's pretty serious. Yeah, we'll see if he's with this with this girl, you know he's and see, I think these BC bears are probably different than I don't know, for whatever reason, it seems like and I think I'm going with just statistics that I've heard, seems like there's a lot of predatory bear attacks here. Um, I don't know. For some reason, I feel like these these black bears are slightly different than black bears into the places. There's some places. I don't know if that's true.

I've been told that actually a few times. I mean, like in Arkansas, we have a for for the areas that do have bears. I mean, we've got some places that very small places that might be equivalent to the very population here. Let's just say like there's a small really well you know, habit areas with good habitat. And I mean there hadn't been a bear attack in Arkansas. I mean I think one two or three summers ago, a bear drugs somebody out of a tin or something.

I mean, but it didn't nothing ever happened. It was almost like a curious young bear or something. But I mean, we just don't have these problems. But I don't know, there's not a lot. I mean really there's few between. And it's usually in places that are populator, Yeah, like parks, provincial parks, federal parks. I mean that's where actually more

hot springs. Yeah, we're more of the really serious attacks ever happened than in the hunting community or what we're doing right, Like, hands down, that's actually probably where of

them happened. That's how that's how drastic it is, where bears get used to humans and being around humans and then just you know, something goes Yeah they're feeding them and uh and yet you know that's what certain people want you to believe, this whole Walt Disney thing, right, and that's that's where the attacks hoppen, when you start messing with them like that around here, like it's far

and far and new, but a few between. Yeah, I've never I mean we've had a few it, you know, after they've been shot that you know, like you're saying you're tracking them and you're not really paying attention. All sudden they stand up and they're right right there to finish them off. But not very only aggressive behavior we've had is in the rut. Yeah have you ever been how many times have you been charged by gris or have you? I don't think I have. All my guides

do yeah, yeah, or have yeah? Yeah, I've had some close encounters with them, but no, I haven't had to trying to think. No, I haven't had to kill any Usually Gary's the one who gets taken the church. He he, he kind of likes it, gets a kick out of it. No, No, I've been I've been fortunate. But you know, my other guy, Aaron, he's had oh he's a multiple on the river, you know during grizzly hunting. You know, usually those situations happen in the fall, cal calling from moose come in, or

a dead moose or a grizzly that gets arrowed. You know, two years ago, the last year that we had tags, my blo hunter hit one close and when he was taken off, Aaron shot him, but he just winged him on the shoulder and that things spotted and came right at him and he had to kill him. But by and large it's been you know, lots of black bear false charges and aggressive but nothing that that have felt

things were getting out of control. But you know, I mean we take a very I mean, when a moose is down, you have one guy who is standing there. You have to you have and there's probably not gonna be any situation. But you hear these stories of you know, the bears that are coming in. Last year, they were hungry, very few berries and and you know there alright. So yeah, hey in closing, talking about the nitty grittyest spotting stock black bear hunting, trying to get close archer equipment. Gary,

we'll start with you. What what are you gonna say? What? What are your what are your top tips hot tips for stocking black bears? What would you say? Yeah? Close that this It's like we spoke about it. Clothes as fast as you can. The wind changes. There's certain areas of wind doesn't change like on the old logging road. It's so consistent there. I mean, I love that spot, including u higher, but we didn't have snow. You have

the you know the wind, you're fair. But when you start hunting these fields in the corners and in the down draft coming in the evening, you figure just keeps some coming down, get the win your favor and go on them. Uh getting on them. But uh, um man just swirls in those back corners, right, and we've experienced

that already a few times. Um yeah, pay attention to them, like you know, um maker moves and they're not looking at you, and they're like you'd stalk any animal when they're um not you know, looking at you and facing away. Um and man, they're hearing. It's a lot better than people think. I remember, I'm not dealing this on a rifle hunt or even so much on compound. But wouldn't like with you want to get in within twenty yards. Um, you can't make anything. You cannot make literally mistake and

it will happen. I mean, I know, well you know, I'm pretty sure you're gonna get one. But um, yeah, they're just smarter. They're smarter than you think. So don't just take it for granted. Well there's another big bear. I can just walk up to it. They get big for reason. They're not stupid. And um, you know, do that stock like you wouldn't you know, the most hardest hunt is white till that you ever see it. I

think that's that's the thing right there. That Um, and again not that I've taken anything for granted, but you gotta stock these bears like you're stuck in stocking an antelope. I mean, that's that's gotta be the mentality. It's like you can't give him anythings, right, you know, do your draw I've had we've had perfect situations where everything's worked out, and I'm talking about strictly both hunts right here. And uh,

I'm I'm telling the hunter to draw. I need to go, so I can only hold for thirty seconds, So what let down? If that's all you can hold, I mean, it's better. And he draws on the you know when they look at you, well, no, they're they're gone, They're they're done. Even though it's forty yards away, they're looking at you come to draw. I mean they're gonna notice that movement, right, So yeah, just take don't take it for granted, especially if you know you really want to

go after a bigger bear. Bigger they are, the smarter they are, and um, and yeah, do it like you're hunting elk, like you're hunting a white you know. And that's part of the reason too. This is a little bit confusing to people. Is on a bated black bear hunt. Movement and scent pretty much mean nothing Canada. But when he doesn't know that there's a human involved, it's a whole another ball game. And I think that's the that's the contradiction that people have because you know, go to

you go to Canada and abated black bear hunt. You could stand up and I mean movement sound and even human scent is not the limiting factor. But buddy, when you're trying to slip up on one out in his element, it's a whole another whole other game. Jeff hot tip. One thing you could tell I'm fading into the bush for the last time before you see me on the stalk and you say, clay X, do this. What do

you say? Two things? I would take your first opportunity, Like, if you're in your if you're in your comfortable range, shoot you got the shots. Don't don't wait for him to Second of all, if he does bolt, move up because big boars. Often we'll go into the bush and turn around and see what's going on. Okay, so moving on him. They're cocked And would you say, like, don't I mean, just like run up there. I wouldn't run up there. But he's not necessarily gonna just bail into

the next county he wanted. If he doesn't smell, he doesn't really know what you are. But he's cocky arrogant enough that he'll usually come and see what's going on, and you can and often you can move in closer and if you get a second opportunity. Yeah, that's a good tip. That was lost to you. Yeah, where the bear comes back out five minutes, ten minutes, fifteen minutes, an hour later in the same spot. Right, so especially

it's a big bear. It's the bear you want, right and you're excited about Yeah, go go step back up, keep the wind you're facing. There's a good chance he might come back out. Yeah. Yeah, they're cocky. Just get some killed. Yeah it does. Yeah. Hey, that's some awesome information. And uh, we're gonna do We're gonna do a couple more podcasts are here in British Columbia. This is the fourth day, so we got a couple of days left

to hunt. But thank you guys. Ton. Yeah. Man, well it keeps the wild places wild because that's where the bears live. Yeah,