British Columbia Black Bear Pt. #3

Lacrosse Footwear dot com. My name is Clay Nucleman. I'm the host of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be your host into the world of hunting the icon of North America can Wilderness Bear. We'll talk about tactics, gear, conservation, but will also bring you into some of the wildest country on the planet Chasing Bear. We're in British Columbia, Canada, Canada at Pacific Bear Outfitters Bear Camp. I've got Devin Jewell, owner of Pacific Bear Outfitters, to my right. We've got

a campfire to my left burning famous Canadian softwood. It's raining on the tarp above us and We've got a bear, two bears dryant in the periphery of the camp. Now I've got Daniel Roupe, the outlaw preacher, directly in front of me. We're drinking camp coffee. We've been sending a text messages to our families via the garment En Reach this afternoon. We've garment en Reach should sponsor us. And we're waiting on the camp. The soul of the camp

Dave to return. Uh, the camp cook is gone. Who took the bear meat back to about seven hours away, back to get the some of the bear meat taken care of. And so we are here. Daniel killed a bear on the second day the Embartish climb. I killed a bear on the third day. Um, And Devin Jewel is Devon is not killed. He's the only one who don't killed, you know. So Devin is a Devon, is a veteran northern big game hunter. He's guided how many years have you guided in between? Like sixteen years? Okay,

sixteen years. So you've got it in Norton, British Columbia. You've got it in the in the Northwest territories. Yeah, those two places and here and well this is brettuceh Cluvia. Yeah, so you've got it in Bruce Cluvia the Northwest territories. And what species have you guided for? Black barriers, bear wolf, wolveren, moose, caribou, stone, cheap mount and goat. That's pretty much it. Oh yeah, sugar, Okay. So, so devon as experience a lot of what I mean,

kind of the pinnacles of big game hunting. You know, So Daniel and I are from the South, and like typically people from the South are gonna be white tail hunters number one, They're gonna be turkey hunters number two. And we're making that We're we're making some good bear hunters coming out of the southeast days too. But but so like hunting these kind of what are like exotic northern animals to us is pretty cool. And there's lots of guys that are drawn tags and are going on

guided hunts for these big animals. But Bruce, Columbia is a pretty dern unique place. And so what what species? What is British Columbia known for everything? What do we got? We got tall sheep, Northwest, corner stone sheep, north mountain goat, the bulk of the north America's mountain goat populations in Bridge gonna be a sixty thousand of them. Uh, let me stop, you're right there. So the bulk of North America's mountain goats are in British Columbia. So the Raine. Okay,

so we've been learned about mountain gooat. We saw a mountain goat yesterday in British Columbia. And so these goats are living in really specific habitat where basically where extremely rocky, rough terrain that they can navigate and where they can escape predators. Wherever that type of habitat is, that's where

they live. They don't want to be in the woods, they don't want to be in these alpine pastures like, but they're gonna be They're only gonna be within escape reach of big cliffs because so they can't outrun anything, like we're pretty sure the outlaw preacher he could run down a mountain go down, and that's pretty cool. But they can out climb anything, so they can they can just scale these cliffs that just are unfathomable. So sixt So the Coast Mountain Range runs through British Columbia from

the north to the south or south to north. Yeah, and then you have like the rocky mountains were on south and north the entire province, that's more on the western side of the eastern side of the province run the entire distance. So so British Columbia is partially unique because as two significant mountain range running the entire length of the province. Okay, now see the Coast Mountains. Man, people that name this place really understood geography. They're close

to the coast. So the Coast Mountains are close to the coast. The coast mountains are going to go from like sea level it's about nine thousand ish feet. And so we described in depth and the other episodes about how I mean just everywhere we're looking at these big, huge,

snow covered mountains. We are down lower in the like denser what looks just like sick Northwest rainforest type areas with moss, huge trees, lots of logging, lots of logging roads, lots of cut box and but we're looking up into this like these big mountains, and a lot of these mountains have these big rocky shelves at the top. A lot of these mountains have big glaciers at the top, and that's where these mountain goes live. And as a

BC resident, like, how can you hunt a mountain goat? Well, some areas are a lottery and some are just hoping, but you're allowed one to hear you'd like over the counter. So over the as a resident lyc you can go by a tag that you're gonna have a decent chance to actually kill the mountain and go, oh yeah, you get one every year as long as your climber, as long as you're a climber. So the challenge in hunting them is just it's not hard to find them, really know.

I mean, you gotta get to where they live. But that's climbing is important for sure. But yeah, they're not hard to spot. There's good populations of them. Yeah yeah. So the challenge is what when you're hunting the mountain go just hiking for that's most people, And well what about finding a goat that you can shoot that you

can also retrieve. Yeah, you're gonna you might have to look at a few, but I mean for the most Briberian area with a good population, you're gonna see a number of goats and then really just getting to them game into a shooting position. Yeah, what was it the other day when we're up on that ridge and you said, sometimes if you shoot a goat or a ridge like this,

it'll just launch launch out. Yeah, when you're like if they if you hit them, they have a tendency and just they had for that scary terrain and they die halfway there and m hm, we'll really go meet at the bottom. You also told us that for those of us who are not residents of a province or state where mountain goat hunting is something that we have access to. In terms of guided hunts, a mountain goat hunt is

one of the cheaper of the the mountain game. Yeah, so you could you could get into a mountain goat hunt for eight to ten grand I think eight to twelve for sure. I think a leven would be a fairly common price nowadays. Yeah. Yeah, and uh, just for clarity to specific Bear outfitters guides for Black Bear and Mountain Lion, Devon is not guiding for the Big Mountain Game. Devon is is working for some other outfitters doing that

just for clarity. But so, but you get to experience tell me what she told me, like, you get to experience all the same things that like a doll sheep or stone similar hunting like a sheep hunt, but more it'll have a higher success rate. And but you're doing the same the same concepts, the same you know, high mountain trekking and all that stuff that she hunting is

well known for. But a much more available hunt for sure, and you're gonna have a higher success rate because they're just a more stationary animal, right and personally, I just like the way mountain goats look. I mean, I think

they're spectacular animal. I think if a if a if if sheep didn't have the kind of the reputation, the the icon read that they have, that they would that a go Like if you were just to take someone that didn't know anything and you put a mountain goat and a sheep side by side, I think a fair percentage of people would say I would pick the mountain goat as a beautiful, majestic, awesome animal. But they like

to hunt, so I mean that that. But the sheep kind of because of their scarcity and because they do have majestic antlers, no doubt, and they live majestic places, there are spectator anial But I mean the mountain goats kind of the same way, but a mountain goat and nearly expensive, and it's a very similar experience overall. But Dan Roupe has just chokes the fire and so you're here lots of popping and crackling. So so that's that's

mountain goat. Let's see, I didn't realize that British Columbia had the boast mountain goats of any province or state. That's really interesting. So what other what other big game opportunities do you have here in British Columbia, Like personally that you you're gonna go hunt mountain, Caribous, Rocky mountainw Croosevelt, elk, Canada moose, uh, whitetail, deer, mule deer, blacktail deer. Then of course you have Rocky Mountain, Bighorn, California, big horn,

uh black bear, mountain lions, wolf, wolverine, links of Bobcat available. Wow, how many of the twenty nine big game animals are in British Columbia? Do you have any idea all those funs I just said, I just wondered if there was, like, well, they're fifteen of twenty nine big game animals. I guess all the all the super ten would be here though, bear, caribou, moose, deer, bison, bison. We have bison, bison. I forgot bison hire. So I mean this is like the tremendous province and you can

get almost all those tags over the counter. As a BC resident. You told me that there are hundred and eighty thousand resident Bruce Clary thirty thousand residents hunters. And to see in an area that's I don't know what you compare it to down there. Not quite as big as Texas, but it's huge. It's almost as big as Texas. Yeah. Well yeah, and but of those guys, there's not like in the States, it's pretty common for there to be like there's more big game hunters than that would be

in Canada. Am I correct? Well, you know, like the state of Pennsylvania's a million hunters, so I mean that one state test more hunters in all First Columbia, right, But I guess just serious hunters. I mean there's not as many, so you're not gonna see like super avid guys. I don't know how you gauge that though in a population, but I mean, right, I guess days spent, So how many of that hundred. How many would spend more than fourteen days hunting a season that would maybe be a

way to gage it. And then after that, how many would spend more than thirty days? Yeah? So so all right, Devn just slapped the law preacher I have, so I think give them away. Talk to us about tell us about. Well, I'm gonna ask you a question about your moose. So, Devin killed very large moose last year in northern BC, now northwestern BC. Okay. So so there are let me see, three subspecies of moose because it is the Eastern Canada. In Western Canada, well, the shower smooth is anything in

the United States, Canada moose and Yukon moose. Well for the North American Super Slam. Yeah yeah, yeah, So for the North American Super Slam. So talking about North America, there's gonna be three species of moose shower smooth, Canada moose, Yukon moose. Yukon moose is the big daddy of the moose. Big Daddy and Yukon moose are gonna be in Alaska, Yukon and Northwest territories okay, half of the Northwest Territoris. Okay.

The Canada moose is gonna be is gonna stretch every other single place, every other single place other than the United States. They're gonna be Cannadas. And typically Canada moose would be much smaller, I mean, especially like in eastern Canada. Yeah, if you remember too that like a province like DC is three thousand klarmers long. So a moose from the northern part of BC is a lot bigger than moose

from the southern beast part of BC. Right, But if you want a big Canada moose, it makes sense to hunt where they get the biggest, which is in the northern part of the provinces. And when you say biggest, are we talking like Bergman's law biggest Bergman's laws. The further north, the further that you get away from the equator, the larger that mammals get to retain heat. So like a white tail deer that's in Florida is super small, like the keys deer white tail deer and Saskatchewan or

Manitoba it's much larger, same species. They could interbreed, but they've developed a smaller body size to be advantageous to release heat but also to retain heat. What we canna say down what you're talking about moose, and like, so, Yukon moose are the biggest, we say the biggest. You're just being a deer hunter Arkansas knowing nothing about mose

other than they look huge. That big means wi of antlers, body and body and as so when Yukon moose is like, oh, it's the granddaddy of the three types in the North American world. How much like double double the stuff. So if you kill the moose in Utah versus a moose in Alaska, you're talking about almost two completely different animals. Just the look similar, but the size would not be similar. So the horns are literally twice as large they could be. Yeah,

it's kind of a gradient scale. I mean it would use body sizes, like the body size would be double the but it would be wider, deeper, taller, just a bigger animal. And then yes, the antlers could be in in a big old bull moose pounds, Yeah, probably, like they could be up into that neighborhood for sure, where

it's like even in Southern BC. I bet you if you killed a thousand pound moose that's about its bigges, it's gonna be o Southern BC more like Utah yeah, like, well, of course, if you kill a moose in the Rocky Mountains five miles north of the USA Canada border, you're hunting pretty much the Shire's moose, right, Whereas if you hunt one five miles south of Alaska yukon boarder, so you're still in BC. These are man made lines that

are imperfect, yep, imperfect. Then they're imperfect. So yeah, what do you say? It is correct? So it's the same species, but they're just different. And you know, a few years ago there was a world record Shier's moose killed in Odaho and it was a monster. It was monster. I

mean it was like, I don't I've seen it. I actually saw that mose, Like, yeah, at we're gonna see it bass Pro at bass Pro in Springfield when the Boone and Crock had had their big game bank with their two years ago, that world record shiers moose was there, and I don't know, it was probably in the sixties, maybe even seventy, I can't remember. It's huge. So there's exceptions anywhere you go. In general, they're gonna be a Canada moose is the mid grade move which they they

gauge when people are talking about moose. They gauge moose based upon the widest width between antlers, So like you would say, that's a fifty inch moose, And that would mean if you just took a tape measure and just measured to the widest point on the left that side, to the widest point of that side, that mose um so seventy inch Yukon moose would be like world class. Yeah, anything in the sixties and worldwide, no doubt. So sixty if you went to the Yukon and kill the or

wherever you're you're at the top of the heat. But in Canada, butch of Canada guys are shooting probably forty in moose and being pretty happy with it. So the Devon's moose was a Canada moose. Granted it was at the the Yukon border, just below the Yukon with and so just tell us kind of give us a little bit about that hunt. Semper with your wife and we flew a group of us flew into a lake where

we hunted several times. We handed during the rout for two weeks, and I think day four or five and my wife called in a very big moose and shot him sixty four and a half inch, so very big. So you So how many people were in the hunt with you? Uh? Five? And so y'all are all at the same camp, same camp, same lake, but we'd split up with one day with you? Yeah old day? Who would take care of camp? Did you just stay at

camp and hunt? And didn't? He? Hell? Yeah, usually shoots the one that comes to camp, I'll be done, which is like pretty not a certainty, but it usually happens. Yeah, playing the camp card, hang out a game, and shoot. Some comes to camp. I could totally see him doing. So Dave, Dave is the camp cook and kind of like the Devin. Devon and Dave were like inseparable sidekicks like Batman and Robin. And we've decided that we like Dave like much better than Devon. Sense he's nicer. He's

way nicer than Devon was going to shoot. Yeah. Yeah, so we're right out from under. So I was gonna dig into the details just hunt. So, so there's five people in camp, So Dave's in camp, two people are you and your wife Ashley, and then there's two other people that are just your friends. We're just gonna leave them nameless. Smart Okay. So they go off somewhere to hunt. Everybody kind of splits up, kind of goes to the

other side of the mountain or something. Yeah, like the lake is like I bick the blaky probably it's probably like ten miles long, right, So yeah, we got canoe, so you can like, could you I did a different year? Yeah, like they've been we leave them there. We leave them there. There was time up and trees, so bears can't get them. I'll be darn. And then uh so then when you get there there, so yeah, that like you split up, go to one end of the lake, either end of

the lake or whatever. Right, lots of space. You're not gonna run into each other again. Wow, And so you had actually we're hunting together, you've been you canoed out that day. I think we just walked the edge of the lake that day, because I don't remember why. I'm

pretty sure that's what we did though. So we just walked down into an area we knew, like a meadowy area, and then it had been raining, so a quit raining and we just kind of stretched out in the sun to dry out and fall a bit on the edge of this Are you using a moose call? I mean it just my hands, so you just cutting your hands. And so when these when these eyes are moose hunting, when these guys are moose hunting, there there a lot

of them. Use a like a horn, like a birch bark horror or yeah, like a like a polly horn that like it's like a funnel. It's like a gas funnel, and it it amplifies the sound because you're calling moose that could potentially be miles away forever. The reason moose's horns are shaped the way they are, it's a funnel sound. End of the year. Those are like an antenna dish. I have no idea there. There's such a low density animal that the way they communicate has to be very

long distance communication. And so I saw I've seen a graph one time that showed the way that sound any place on the palm of that antler right to reverberates to like the exact same spot. You know those like military radar pills. Yeah, what does that look like the same So, like the geometry of the shape of their horn like reflects sounding it. So so they can hear

exceptionally well. And so you when you call moose, you get into a favorable location where you could hear long ways where you think, moose are you call and the moose you're calling may not answer you even that day so far away, or you may not even answer you the next day, and I mean, like the third day he might show up. So you've been calling and he's

been coming the whole time. Possible potentially that'd be pretty far, but stretching the tree in the mountains where we hunt would be the mooses will have beds way up right below tree line, like in the valley. So if you're at the late calling, they're sitting up on the mountain and then they're right because you're below and they can hear really good, and then they're up on the mountain and that could easily be a mile like or a

couple of miles, like no problem. Yeah wow, And so so you give us a give us a female moose calls ship. Yeah, what's your sound? Yeah, I'll try you know, I'm trying to contain myself, okay, wow. Yeah, it's just really nasally kind of just like you know, some animals you can make it loud or what's really cool, you know, some animals have this like majestic sound like an elk, like an elk bugle, it's like a majestic sound just like loud, and a moose is like not that way.

So a bull moose would make a sound like what like so let's say you do that, you know you do? The female in the response would be but that's just their vocal noise. They would make way more noises than that, like banging the amilis like the front of the anilers swinging it into a tree just like just no, just a clunk, that would be one, just one noise they'd make, or they'd break trees with their hands like wow. So those would be like the three main noises they would make.

So you would hear that. They call it grunt. They call it bull grunt. And how far would you said, you can hear a bull if if it's still in calm, like no, if it's windy, but if it's still in calm and you know that like clear cold, and they're coming from a ways off down the mountain value where you can do and then just keep like coment for like like it took like an hour for that bull to get to us easily. Yeah, so it just keeps coming. To imagine louder and louder as it comes, and that

is it's like super excited. I have been on a moose hunt one time for four days in Alaska before I killed the brown bear, and we we never even really worked well, we we worked one moose like works, meaning we cal called, the bull responded and we were like, this is gonna happen just one time. It didn't happen. He answered us back like a close fairly close range.

I didn't tell you this, but like on the third or fourth day we cal called and one and I mean we just were like, it's on a man, there is no it's something exciting about calling, and you know, fifteen hundred pound animals like turkey hunting, you turkey hunted, damn call here they come. So this is like calling in and so another you know. And then he's saying that they communicated a lot with sounding antlers. So when callers are calling, they also whack trees and playing on

stuff to replicate the sound of another bull. With this female catch you turn trick like if you not competition, if that's the dominant ball in he here's some other guy with his cow. H are you in with my cow? Right now? So so you'd walked from camp? Was it morning time? Was it evening time? Was afternoon that time? So had you left camp that morning and like not come back or had you've been at camp. I think we'd left in the morning, just hadn't come back yet.

We've been here all day, like at the end of the lake. From camp, it's probably like an hour at least just walking the shore of the lake. So it's a fair peace. Yeah, you're at the end of the light. And so you called and then did the bull respond immediately? No? I probably we probably called for I'm gonna say, like a half an hour to an hour, don't remember exactly, but then when he did, like I for sure heard

him at that point, like multiple runts. But then it was just like steady coming for like another like hour or even a little longer in it, and you were and you and actually were just like both set up. Yeah, well to a degree. You can tell you the long way to way, so it's not like a rush. That's what time, hundred and fifty yards in that meadow. Yeah, and he's just he's just slowly coming. Did you continue

to call a bit but not crazy? Yeah, because if he's coming, you don't want to give up more information than you need to write. Like if if I heard him come up and like, well, would he would like stop and pause like like he was listening, then I would be like, Okay, I think he's waiting for me to tell him I'm still here, So I'd like give like one like a short call, just like I'm still here. And then it's like you can hear him pick up

again and keep coming. Wow wow crazy. So but you don't know how big this moose is, Like, no, you can't tell by the two. Yeah, you can't tell by the grant really if it's like a fifty inch bowl or a thirty inch bowl or a small bull. But he's just coming. So you guys are pretty often here big antlers, you know. Yeah, if you hear stuff like yeah, like that clunking thing, only big bulls do that, yeah, or like big raking right, Dan, we're gotta get moose huthing.

I love to you and me. Okay, So that was in the crow call don't crow call? Yeah? So so the bulls coming and at what point do you like know this is a done deal Because in almost all types of hunting, there's a moment when you're he I knew he was coming like that seemed very honest, but you still don't know. And so he was he could hang up out there just out of side, you could. I didn't get that impression there from this guy's like action.

He was just coming. He's coming. Yeah. And then but you don't know how big it is until it's there. So until he's in that hundred fifty yard open window, you don't actually know it because we're not gonna shoot any but like a larger mail what was the self now, so there's no antler restriction, not area, no, so you could have shot any kind of male moose, anything with anlies yeah. So but so what what was your internal governor? Uh? Well, we're looking for like my chair bowls, right, because that

it could have been like at moves. Yeah, I don't. I don't worry about what personally, so things I would be looking forward, like big front, So like I don't want like a crab pincher what we call crab cloths on the front. That's a two point on the front where the paddle behind I want, Well, I got four like a palms in the front, and then I wanted like a long paddle with lots of points. So if it was like it could be fifty inches wide and now five ft long caddles, that would be like an

who cares how why it is? Yeah? I got yeah, gotcha. But this one just happened to be wide and long and have big fronts and like every single thing you could do. What is it like? Did he stepped out of a clearing or so there's like a pine like a timber pine edge on like like a bit of a not a ridge, but a bit of a ridge kind of. So he had to come down about fifty ft so he like come up to those pine trees and then down that open like grass ridge kind of

spot and down into the meadow. So at what point did you see him when he came out of those pine trees? How far was tift? Was that in range for you? Oh? Yeah, easily? Do you have a scope on your forty seven? I did this year, yeah, this last year. But usually iron actually yeah, usually you're shooting iron sights, but you were using a forty pout seventy what was actually shooting? Okay, it's totally a girl gun. Yeah, I'm just kidding. Thurn out six is like the gun

of North America. Okay, to do it all again, to do it all gone of North America. So the bull comes out and you at what point do you realize this is a whopper? As soon as he came out, I seen his antlers. I was like, Yep, that's a shooter. I mean there, I mean, did you think it was a sixty four in smooths? I wasn't too concerned. I just knew it was a shooter. I mean I could tell it was bigger than normal by quite as you get excited, Yeah, did you what's Devin Jewel looked like

when he's excited about a moose? Pretty much just Sam's right now, Yeah, that's what I was figuring. Stone face couldn't just doesn't give anything away, all legs, no smile. But so then he as you like as I wanted to wait for him to stop moving because he's like walking and like at that point, I'd say he was coming for the most part, like had on and their antlers like, because when he walks, he's like swinging his antlers every time he grunts, right, so they're like back

and forth. So it's like, you don't really want to take that shot. He's yeah, he's coming and he's still he's not like, I know you guys are people, right, He's like, I'm gonna go get me a later moose. Right. So he's just like on his way over. And then he there was like two it's not big trees, but bigger trees. And because like when as he had gotten closer, we had split up to get two different shooting positions. So as she was over and I, you know, we're

spread out. How far apart? Were you? Not far? Just to make sure we can cover these two. Like imagine this meadow had like two little tails, so we wanted to make sure we could shoot each tail depending on where he came. So he just came out and as he crossed, he came behind one of those bigger trees, and I had like as he stopped, I had the perfect shot. Not she could see his like hind corners, So I just shot him. Weren't taking any chances. Yeah, So did he drop? Yeah, he just went down, went down.

Why did you shoot him the point? I just went point of shoulder and he was still he was quartering two okay, yeah, except he hit int right in the shoulder, in the shoulder, Yeah, so he would have been like if this was his head like that like that, Yeah, he just hold it up and fell down. Man. And then it's probably seventy yards at that point. So by the time I walked over that he did. Wow. So

what what grain bullet are you shooting out? That was the HSMO green four and thirty grain bullet, probably flying feet per second or something, I think, yeah, I think it's eighteen something like almost nineteen, but I can't remember exactly. Give me a not need to compare woods the greens. Well, like we're shooting a tutor and twelve grain three and wind mag and that's a heavy bullet soon bull, I mean that's like that's like chunking a rock at him,

you know. So so with with rifles, and there's a sometimes you want speed because speed kills as well. Like the hydro static shock from a really fast bullet is gonna be significant. Yeah, but but these big heavy guns shooting like this are are big for a big game, for a big game. The other day to me, I

had no idea what you're talking about. Hydrostatic Yeah, so hydrostatic shock would be that when and when an animal is shot with a bullet, it is not just the actual piece of copper and lead going through the vitals that kills it like an arrow. Like an arrow, The only thing that's killing that animal is there's an arrows

slicing through, cutting making a hole. But hydrostatic shock is that that bullets flying so fast when it slaps something with water in it, that water it's pushed out so fast that it just like shocks and breaks down the electrical system of the animal. Hydrostatic shocks then slap bruising. Yeah. I don't know if that's the best technical definition of

hydrostatic shock, but it's an essentially water yeah. Yeah, So with a gun you could actually maybe hit and maybe the trajectory of the bullet missed the vitals, but potentially the hydrostatic shock could could could disrupt their systems so much that it's still with that. Would you agree with that? Yeah? Yeah, I mean you want to get him in the vitals,

That's not what I'm saying. But no, so four and thirty grain bulls out of and now you like, you like a big caliber and you like shooting iron sights a lot just for the heck of it, just kind of like just like pretty fun. Yeah, I like it. I like it. Um. And so you walk up to this moose. You're not carrying a tape measure with you, are you? Please tell me you weren't. Okay, we had

to wait till we got back to town to measure it. Okay, but you knew it was Oh yeah, we knew it was big, biggest moose you've ever killed, the biggest one I've ever seen killed, even okay, even in your guiding. Yeah, okay, So tell me about the rest of the antlers. The paddle is exceptional. So the paddle would be from the fronts. Yeah, we're a big five ft well, so just like, yeah, it's got in the world of moose, it's got everything you would ever want. And we have some nice ones

like fifty eight inch yeah. Yeah, we're big paddles. Yeah, and this one I was like, makes those one look like old baby moses. So for reference too, in Alaska, Yukon moss biggest moose in the world. The minimum antler requirement is typically, well, you're right, for a non residence fifty inches. So I'll ask you, guys, and I mean that's a monster moose, yeah, or four four on the front or fifty inches such? Right, So so anyway, so you kill this massive moose and what did you do?

Did you go did you start skinning it right away? Or about the camp and get Dave? No, everybody else we assume heard the shots and we just we actually let a fire to get rid of the bugs in because you never know who else or what else is it in that part of the world. So if you have a fire, it's obviously going to be So you were worried about gris not worried. But it's nice to have a fire away work, because you're gonna be there for hours, right, Like this is not like a small

it's not like a deer. This is like you're gonna be there for like six hours working, right, So you might as will just start a fire, get a fire going. If there's one thing I've learned about Devin Jewel hunting with him twice here in British Columbia, the man loves fires, and so do I. I I would start a fire like every morning when I go to the Global headquarters, like out in the front, just to have a fire. But

you have a wood burning stove. No, no, no, I'm going to though in your in your heart you have woods. So you start a fire, start a fire, and you gotta start working. The first thing we did pictures, pictures, okayture, there's like an hour, Yeah you're okay, okay, and then uh yeah, start start working for sure. Yeah. And what time of the day is it? Yes, it is probably like two or three, so what time to getting dark?

A tish a lot of time. Yeah, we actually got it all out of there that day, so we did pretty good. Yeah, everybody showed up, they came to you, Wow, did you have any way to communicate, like with they just heard this shot? And so here they come eventually, probably took him like an hour or something. So then

so did any of the other guys kill moose? They had opportunity to kill moose, but they got cariboo and grizzly like kind of we all went out and we got a caribou and grizzly well, and then wow, we had lots of grizzly opportunity really yeah, and then uh they almost got wolverine. And then yeah, they could have got smaller, smaller moose, but I mean here, hold note, if you go all the way there, you kind of you don't get you want a big one, right, Yeah,

So you were flown into this play. Yeah, and you remember if you pull the trigger there, you gotta fly all that meat out too. So you don't want to just be like we'll shoot three little ones in wonder, right, because every time you drop something on the ground, it's more more currency to get it out, so cost you gotta paid meat. Meat flights cost extra money, right, So wow, meat flights, I mean like yeah, so meat flights are

usually like ha cost but still like a lot money. Yeah. Wow. Man, the adventure of that kind of hunt is just almost it's just like off the charts. So the opportunity that you guys have is BC residents is just it's just crazy, it really is. But and all week we've grieved the loss, hopefully the temporary loss of the grizzly hunt here in BC.

On our first day black bear hunting here, we saw what we believe was a big male grizz up just blow the snow in kind of an avalanche shoot between old log day in an avalanche like get the old log darea obviously, but it has an avalanche due through it, right, So we we saw a big BC grizz And just this year political climate of this part of the world shifted a bit, and they they without scientific reason, without the the the instruction of scientific wildlife management, they chose

based upon popular emotional opinion to close the grizzly hunt, which is kind of a big deal because the reason that the North American model for wildlife conservation has been the most successful husbandry project of wildlife and the history of man time is because we've used scientific wildlife management to instruct our decisions about wildlife. And so this is totally not that. Yeah, this is just this is just urban. This is just urban people that there's more of them

than there are of us, and they don't understand. They didn't understand. I mean, they just don't like the idea of grizzly hunting, so they voted it up. So anyway, but oh no, we didn't even get to vote. Okay, we didn't huh no, we didn't even get to vote.

They just said that's what was happening. And for that reason, I guess what I said, the vote it would be that there's an elected official that might not have even like we're not even sure if it voted, if it would have lost even Yeah, So there's the chance that with a regime change in the future that it could we could get it back. Do you think that. Oh, yeah, for sure if a reasonable government gets back in and

we would for sure probably have a chance to reopen it. Unreal. Well, so that was your twenties, your fall season, just your personal hunting, you and your wife, Like, this is not yeah, this is just like you and your wife. Um did what else did you take last year? Uh? Didn't take anything else. My wife shot and her biggest meal dere Oh really how big was this? Oh? Alright, one forty four by four? Nice? Well, awesome, awesome moose. Closing comments

from the I'll preach your Daniel roupe. Nope, none, No, what do you think of what I mean? Haven't been here? This is this is dance dance like a sleep over here. This is so having. This is your first like adventure tip hunt that we're on, because we're on black bear hunt right now. It's killed our bears. You hear his stories about flying in on the float plane man and in hunting in a place where grizz mountain caribou moose,

I mean, like, does that not? What's up? I mean when I hear the term meat flight, it's just it's a whole world that I have no idea about, but could really only dream about it. It sounds amazing and awesome. Yeah yeah, Devin Jewel closing comments. Yeah, I don't know what else to say. All legs and no smile, just keeping his car dright again his chest. Yeah. All right, So we're about to go out and, uh, look for a bear. Maybe we don't have bear tags that we're

gonna look for a bear. We've seen a bear every day this week. All right out