Ep 65: Bear Grease [Render] - Whitetail Antlers, Underground dogs, and Bucking Mules

you got you got priors. Well, he got reprimanded. He got reprimanded for fidgeting, heavy breed, drinking on the podcast. Not alcoholic drinks, non alcoholic drinks, but drinking on the podcast. And then and so we were texting Josh. You know, Okay, here's here's the thing that we all do, and we all know it when you actually need to talk to someone about something serious and you turn it into like a little bit of a joke. You're doing a bit.

Yeah you see what I'm saying. Yeah, it's like rather than like call Josh and like front him, yeah, just like which is to be Britt Reeves says that who's never anyone in his life. I was like, hey, stop, so we so, so we send a text thread and we're liked, h your bad, you need to watch. I'm just saying no, no. So after a couple of joking text messages about the heavy breathing, then it was like, Josh is really this is how we create a villain.

He's he's adjusting that mike to briefe directly into it. I'd like to bring up a point like the chairs provided are very noisy, Like is that our ads ambiance? I mean, it's not like we're sitting in a recording studio. It's your lay has attacked Josh. Josh has now attacked back. He says, this is not a recording studio. Wow, that really hurts my feeling, he said, he said, King, Yeah, he did it in a joke style. So what if you after this, like Clay, I know you think this

is a recording studio, it's not. You think that all the taxidermy deadens the sound, but it doesn't took that bear out of here, This thing that sounds like an echo. Chack. Wonder I wonder whether like resonance would be if you removed every bear hide from here, it would be It's definitely it's seriously echoe it was when he first moved in.

But now with all the bear hides and the first the first absorble lotour five, six, seven, eight, eight bear hides, a full deer hide of mountain hawks, eighteen coon hides of mountain line. Did you say mountain a black panther shoulder, mount black panther shoulder, mount bear chaps? Does it really? Well? Welcome to the bear grea surrender guys. I'm very excited

about today's podcast. I want to just pitch this in right here at the front so that everybody will know August second through the fourth, this podcast comes out on the third of two. There's time left. There's time left. There's a big season opener sale for First Light, f h J gear, Pelps, the game calls and all the meat Eater brands and basically I'm not gonna go through all the exact stuff, but if there was ever time to buy a first Light gear, it's now big sales

on everything that they've got. Also with Phelps there's some stuff that's even off with the first Light. Um. Phelps is having a big, big sale. Their bugle that has the built in diaphragm is revolutionizing. ELK call I mean you know, typically, Josh, you use a like a turkey type die forragm call and then you blow through a bugle tube and it takes a little bit of a little bit of practice to blow it. Is there a video where I can see that used, like in a

home shopping network type of Yes, and Texas. There happens to be two gentlemen that I just I met him just briefly. Uh, clud Nucomb and brag Reaves that made a little video at a gas station with tex come back, we got some work for you. Just first, let you have any bootcut pants for Isaac? Oh, no, I wish. Hey, what would you say to a guy who says I like to buy my stuff at the last minute and at full price? Like is this a good opportunity for them? No? If that guy would need to wait to the fifth

of August? Yeah, absolutely, yeah, like roll the dice. I don't know if it's going to show up in time, wait until wait if I was like okay, cool, but if you want if you want a good deal stuff, yeah, and to get it in plenty of time for the season. Now is the Times season openers sale? Very well? You know? And look how our main man here is dressed and overalls. This is kind of like done lap stole right here.

You know, this is this is aneated. This is all high tech stuff yourself and this is all you need is overalls, right and I go to attitude and perfect balance. I have all those on white teeth, and you wear quite a bit at first leg all the time. Well, we're just begging them to make us some overalls. Cut that out. I got it. Don't cut it out. I don't cut it out. If I get in trouble, I'm

gonna blame you, though you got the last render. So we always every now and then describe are the structure of our podcast for anyone who Every other week we have the Bargeras Render, which is where we gather up a group of people to talk about the real Bargeras, which is our documentary style podcast, which we do every other week. So we produce a weekly podcast. So this week on the Render, we are going to be talking about our gas station tax Jeremy road show podcast. Very fun,

it was very entertaining. Oh Man, me and Isaac when we kind of built this idea and I built this idea means I called Isaac and was like, this is what I'm gonna do, and he was like, great idea. But it just means a lot when he's like, great idea. Do it. So when we built this podcast, I was like, yes, man, I was like, this is uh, this is gonna be good. Why is that dog barking? Tessar, I can't take dogs barking,

he says that, and they're always barking. So I was excited about this because it was just a different style of podcasts and we've ever done it. Was it was, but it was a lot of fun. It was primarily in the field content. We had two feature guests, one of which was Missy Nukeam and was JP Shreef, who couldn't be here. He was gonna come, but he wasn't able to, but so we're gonna talk about that a little bit later. Fascinating character. I've met him before, Old J. B.

Shrieve Introductions. We're gonna go counterclockwise this time. To my right, Josh Landbridge, Spillmaker, Josh still as the Beargrease Audio bad Boy himself, Josh Billmaker, Gary Nucomb to his right, Gary, how you been man? Excellent? Excellent? You got a lot to say on this podcast, you know, I can't wait. You gotta tear bubbling over. Good. Good to your right, Missy knucom great to see Misty. You know I've said a lot. I think I have about an average amount

of think. Great to You're right. Isaac Neil, Assistant producer, Assistant to the producer of the Bear Grease podcast. Yes, great to have you, Thank you. I kind of missed the bootcut jeans and cowboy boots. Well, I was at you went full revers a lot. I was at a show all weekend and I had my my boot cut jeans and my cowboy boots on and down. I tell you how I got the cowboy boots assumed bottom. Did you my wonderful faking off of a corpse or something?

My wonderful father, Chris Neil says, you want some cowboy boots? And I said, yes, I'd love some cowboy boots. Thank you very much, he said. My podiatrist said, I can't wear him anymore. I thought he was going to get him from the podiatrist like somebody couldn't context clues of doctor doctor anyway, So he gave me the boots. Right. I love the boots. I was standing on concrete all weekend at a trade show, and today I was just like, I'm tired. I'm going with my supportive tennis shoes short.

But I did get this shirt from my dad as well, so it's all it's a great well looking good, looking good. And then to your right, Brent Raives, great to see, Brett, great to be seen. You're wearing a very nice pay overall today and a new pair of shoes. Bears and gentlemen. Brent Reeves is wearing a powdered blue pair of trousers socks, yeah, with bears decorated. Does that bear have a fishness? What else would have? In the grizzlies? These are These are

a present from Bailey, these socks. She gets me socks with I got socks with the hound dogs on them, with trout. You would appreciate them jobs, fish, bears, animals, so I like to wear them. Excellent. And who are you good? Who are you? My name is Clay Newcombe. I'm the host of the Beargrease podcast. So we're gonna we're gonna talk about the text Durmy road show. But

before that, I wanna wait through a few things. Brent tell me about your dog Tree and the other night whalen first cut out of the box, turning loose, he goes trees. I look on my garmen hundred fifty yards. I walked to the spot where he's at, and he still sounds like he's a quarter of a mile away. And we're hunting up in the woods where we found where you guys were at, where we coon hunted up

with Michael. I get to the edge of the slough right here, Manu, it's flat ground all the way in there, so there's no heels, there's no there's not a hollow tree close, there's not a there. There's a slow right in front of me, but there's no beaver. Damn, there's nothing. I don't understand why I can't hear this dog. It shows him to be at this point twenty ft away.

I walked twenty fre ft and I'm standing on this bare ground, flat bare ground in the river bottoms, and this dog sounds like he is a quarter of a mile away, just like I can't where's my dog? So I'm looking at micaels Michael, I can't find my dog. And I'm looking at the garment and that thing is spinning around in circles like a Ceiland fan. I know I am right where this dog is at, or where the collar is at. And then I get to listen and he is barking under my feet. What under my feet?

He is in the in the ground, and I think, somebody's gotta get a shovel. I gotta dig my dog. I walked I could see real quick. Yes, that sounds like the next Clean Uncome song. Somebody to get a shovel. I story could be. Uh. So I'm I'm twenty ft away from the edge of the slough and the water. I can see. It's not running water, it's standing water. But I can see the water moving. So I walked over to the edge and and laid down and looked under and there's a six inch gap between the top

of the dirt and the water. You can see there is a beaver run, a beaver hole that goes up in this bank. And I get down there and I can hear it, and it sounds like whaling has got a paper towel tube and he's barking through it and barking out that hole. You know, that would be light in there, and I can't see anything. It's just water. So I called him and when he comes out, he looks like he's in a submarine periscope. All I can see is the top of his eyes and the rest

of him is under water. At that point, he comes right out, swims out, and I grab him by the collar and pull him up, and I looked at Michael. Michael said, we're just gonna say he had the coon. I ain't going down there to check there. And from this how far in there was he? Uh fifteen yards? Oh my gosh. Yeah, he was way back in there. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't like he was right on the edge of the bank. He was fifteen yards away from the edge of the water. No flashlight. He's a man,

He's a good dog. Okay, So I've got I've got a little bit of a story bear nucman. I went this week to get ready for bear season, and we went and we took we took our mules to a piece of property where we bear hunt. You may have seen us have the mule the mule videos where we're hauling bait. And we took uh, we took Banjoe up there and right out of the shoot Banjo. Y'all seen me post some stuff about Banjo and he's not doing great. Clay and Banjo are in the strained era of their relationship.

He's had a little bit of recidivism, hadn't he. Yeah, he's kind of would you say that he's he's sort of the Josh spielm anchor, that he's the bad boy of the mule patre. But he so. My history with ban Joe is is that he started off really good. You do remember, though, that there was one episode of the Burgrea Surrender that I titled Kicked by a Mule because he kicked me when he walked out. That's a strike against an animal if it ever reaches out and

kicked it. That's like getting bit by a dog. It's like way to you know, usually don't give him too many more chances than that. But because he was it was kind of my fault. I kind of scared me. Wasn't like trying to hurt me. You know, he got a pass. He kicked me right in the thigh. Well. I started riding him in January and he was doing really great. First time I wrote him, just just wrote him around the round pen. Usually start riding them in

a round pen just as it contained controllable environment. And I had packed on him. I had done all the there's there's multiple training exercises that you do to basically train a mule. Well, I got over just over zealous with how good he was doing. And so one day back in the spring, I just to just I'm just gonna write him out in our small pasture out here. And he was doing fine, everything was okay, and then I went under a tree and the limbs of the tree raked against my hat and made just kind of

a scratching noise. Josh, it would probably be like your mustache, like scratching up against some microphone is what it sounded like. And so Banjo it spooks him. He runs, He makes like a like just a quick run, and when he does, I kind of tightened out on the saddle, just trying to stay on. And when I do, I think that spooks him, and he bucks twice real big. I mean, I couldn't sit, And when you're in the saddle, it feels like a giant like you know, rodeo buck. It

probably was. And uh, but he bucked hard twice and I flew off the front. He bucked mouth, No big deal. I actually got back up on him and wrote him right then, just to let him know everything was okay. But since that time he has been ultra spooky about

almost everything. So I started riding him in the round pen again and still doing all my normal exercises, my lunging, my I don't really even know what to call it, but there's like five This is not clay with his hands over his head, bending at the knees, not those kind of lunches. That's right, it's right. I was upright on top of its back doing some sort of horseback gymnastics would so anyway, Misty saw that one Misty and

my nephew were in the garden when that happened. And then two or three weeks later, after i'd worked him a couple of times and ridden him a couple of times, and I thought, okay, we're over him getting spooky. Um, we're over him getting spooky. We're good. I was riding him and I had ridden him for thirty or forty minutes in the round pen, and just all of a sudden, he just got spooked, unprovoked, spooked is what it felt like. And he bucked two times and I flew off the

exact same way. So he drops his head and spends hard right and I keep going left and uh, but the second time I landed on my feet. Yeah, money, that was money Hawki Henson's technique. And he was a saddle bront rider man could ride the hair off of winged pegasus. And when he got and when he come off of that bronc, it was nine miles in the air and he landed on his feet and walked off like a stud that he was. Yeah, fact check that.

What's his name, Mony Hulki. Okay, So so now I'm scared of Banjo, just to be if I'm being honest like and and he is hyper's he's hyper aware of me now when I'm around him, when I put stuff on his back, and I've only got on him a couple of times. And I've actually sent an inquiry out to my friend Thy Evans t s Mules on Instagram, who's a master muleman, and um, he's supposed to answer my question on his podcast. I said, basically, I had a young bull that was doing good rolling. Multiple times,

everything was okay, buck me off. The second time he bucked me off. He's gotten much spooky, and I think I know the answer of what to do is you just gotta keep doing the same thing. But so we take Banjo two the land to haul all our materials up. Because I am building this story has some complexity in it. I'm building pit blind for black bears. Yeah, and that's all I'm gonna say about that. Decoys roll top like

a rice field. You're speaking my language. Now, Well, we have to hand big it, and so I had to bring I had to bring a bunch of stuff. So I was gonna use Banjo as our pack animal, which I did Banjo. I get Banjo all packed up, I get is he saddled up. Bears gonna lead Banjo and I'm gonna ride. And as soon as Bear untiesed Banjo from the tree, I said, Bear, whatever happens to that mule. I just had a feeling just by the way he was acting that he was gonna act up. I said,

whatever happens, just hold onto him. You're not on his back, so he's not gonna hurt you. Just hold onto him. Well, the second I get on Izzy and ride off a little bank kind of towards him, Banjo get spooked and just throws a bucking fit. Nobody's on his back. I'm on Izzy, but he, for comfort is running towards Izzy, and so I'm I'm trying to take Izzy away. And I started like trotting down the road to just kind of get away from him, just let him buck it out,

and then I was gonna catch him. Well, he he's just like right up on me, and is he just bucking? And I mean and and I'm I'm confident that Izzy's gonna get spooked and buck me off, which she's never done. And anyway, finally the darn thing bucks and just throws a fit and probably five or six big bucks, you know. And then finally he was like he quits, and he's like, okay, I'm free, and Bear dropped the lead way to call him out. I don't think you should call your kids

out on the nationally. I'm sorry. I just wish you to hell, that's all. I'm not mad at him anymore. And the mule just ben Joe has my steel chainsaw and the steal. He's got a pick axe and shovel and he's got all my stuff on him and he just takes off a running down this road and we're way out in the middle of whether we're at the truck. He's going just were he's going. Wherever he's going, I don't know. And so it's always a touch and go thing when a mule takes off, because if you chase it,

they'll just keep running. But if you don't go after him, then you keep keep running too. So Baron Knucam, though, this is where I'll regain Bear's dignity inside of this. That boy never gets He never missed a lick like his facial expression never changed, his demeanor never changed, the energy coming out of his body never changed mine. Did I get worked up? I mean, I was like, I don't, I don't cuss, but like most people probably would have

would have been a good time to do it. But I mean I was just like you know, I mean, I was being real intense, and Bair just never never made made a move in anyway. Bard takes after the mule, and about ten minutes later I see him walking back with banjo and then we go up on up on to where we're going, and maybe you should have him line for maybe you should have him ride banjo. So much happening in this story. I feel like I don't know much about mule training and have it paid as

much attention outside of just filming videos. But I'm hearing a lot Clay that I think Tie Evans or not I could work with you on all right. I mean, I just Bear being able to get ban Joe not sending a lot of loose energy. Um, you thinking that you weren't mad at Bear, that you weren't happy with them either. I can assure you bare new exactly where your emotions were at in that moment. I think I think there's some things here. Also, I question whether or

not you felt. I really do. When people have traumatic experiences like Rex or they always think they remember things exactly how it happened, and they almost never do. Your memory placed tricks on you in my right bridge in those kind of moments. Well you saw it both times. Well I'm more heard and turned so I saw it when you were on your Yeah, I heard, I saw like yeah, I think the mule is reading your emotions

and reacting. I just thought of that when I know what, Mr. I'm not so calm before that, right, that doesn't matter. I mean, we're all real calm when our kids are being behaving like perfect angels. Do they have a mule barn sale around here anyway? There? But he said at last, I was waiting for Good to say, it's just no question I want monkey with that mule. Well, I I think you just have problems with mules. I've got years in best in this mule. I've had it since it

was weaned, and I think it'll be fine. I agree. I don't think we're getting rid of the mule for being a little jumpy. I think that I think really if if if he just keeps stacking up excess, then yeah, I think that let's let's try the mule handler first, Like, let's go that angle, Let's let's get some emotional discipline. I'm just I'm being a little bit facetious because I know you're not out of control with your mules. You're real restraint. But I think if if you're real restraint

in your actions, like you don't take action. But I do think those mules have a crazy ability to read to read people. And so even if you're being really self controlled, they can read if you're the way. The way that I've heard it described and and and I've used some of my words to describe it is that a mule does not have a complex vocabulary in language, in terms of words, I mean literally they have. They have just a few verbal noises that they make that

do communicate with other things. What they do absolutely communicate with all the time is facial expression, posture, ears, eyes, mouth, knows. They literally communicate with like the furrow of a brow, the angle of an ear. And the other thing they communicate with is there was their feet, I mean banjo and is he every single day I watched them kick each other. I mean like they communicate with that. So yeah, you're speaking a different language when you're around them and

in that. And that's what natural horsemanship. And these guys are real good at it. Are are are are good at doing is is putting out the right frequency. It's sound like voodoo, but man, it is science. I'm always amazed at how much a mule, even any equan animal or a dog can pick up on fear or intimidation. Like I mean, my dogs are big goofy have two Great Danes, big goofy, docile dogs that just want to

play all the time. If they see someone who's intimidated by them, they want to bark at them, but they won't bark at anybody else. I mean, a two year old will come by and they'll just bound over there and lick them. But a six ft six big old dude walks by and turns like this and looks at them. They're gonna Yeah, it's amazing. It's like Clay's turkeys that were discriminatory against anything they perceived as weak. They would

they would attack any anything they perceived as week. Either someone that had a disability in terms of like a visible disability where they couldn't walk straight, they would go attack that personally. Yes, elderly people, young children, often women. Like a classic bigot. If you're going to be a bullet,

you can win. I'm wondering if if Banjo is a listener of the podcast, a consumer of media, and has maybe picked up on this agenda you've been pushing where you're like, your mule doesn't like you, it doesn't have the capacity to love, and Banjo is just I'll show you. You know you hurt me, I'm gonna hurt you back. Yeah, emotional. I thought we had something going and then you're out

here telling people mules can't love. You know, it's all about space sorsmanship a book that I read that I read years ago before I was even training equin animals talks about a paradigm shift inside of training. Primarily horses is what the book talks about, but mules too, where this idea that that a that a horse likes you or doesn't like you, or that a horse does this thing because it wants to get back at you for you,

you know, like not giving enough grain yesterday. Like basically, these guys, it was, Oh, it's complete anthropomorphization as a big old word, and you want to define relevant and then I think you need to traits on two animals. That's right, thank you? Yeah? Yeah. And and basically the two guys that wrote it, I can't remember their names. Basically one of them was a neuroscientist and the other one was a real good horse trainer and um and

basically the neuroscience guy, which I loved. I still would like to have him on the podcast. He was like, a horse does not have a place and its brain to love you, but what about in its heart? And a doctor knows nothing about heart? What about trigger? And silver Man? Yeah no kidding? Is that Roy Rogers? I mean those the animals love those guys. Yeah. It is actually hard because we had a we had a mule

and what was her name. The very first one was at mabel Um Ellie May, and we had a horse, Ruth, and Ruth left for a while and and wasn't there, and Ellie May was so needy. I would walk out and Ellie May would not pay me the time of day. I go on walks by where the mules are, and I would walk out there every single morning, walk out there with the dogs. They would they would walk with me. The mule would just stay off to the side. When

the horse left town. I would walk out there and she would come greet me every morning and winning at me every single day. I just I'm not saying that that's a class like you've anthromorphized these animals because you you feel like she's like emotionally lonely. They're hurt animals, so they want they have a deep, deep desire to be with another animal. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, like emotions winning. I mean, I don't know, maybe I know more about this topic than you. Yeah, maybe so.

Capital Well, um, let's talk about this. Let's talk about this podcast. What what was your What was your favorite part, Isaac. I think it was the lady who just like had all the information dialed in on the mounts just like that six. It's like yeah, dad, gum. Yeah. I was like, it's one s one seventy and she's like, no, it's one seventy six. I think I think Mr Bonne and Crockett try one seventy six in a broader sense, Like I enjoyed the whole thing. I enjoyed we can get

to the funeral procession. That was a really interesting thing for me. We almost took that out. By the way, if you want to behind the veil see how the sausage is made. Um. But I think what's really powerful about this piece is like it as soon as you startle listening, it takes you to all the places in your childhood and growing up, in the places in your hometown where you're like, yep, yep, that place is gone, this place is shut down. So interesting. So that's for me.

You were thinking about the places you remember with Texas may whatnot? Absolutely? Yeah. Sandra Barrett at Dune Lap Storey, Kirby, Arkansas was really something. It was a lot of fun. Yeah. I wish I mean, if she was close, I would have been like, hey, come beyond the burger surrender. I can't. I can't pull it out of my head. I don't know if you said it on the podcast, But how many of the stops were planned and how many were good?

That's a great question. So we I think we decided we made fifteen stops and they were totally they were not random stops. Sure well okay, and the plan stops were like three okay, like three of fifteen were like I had an appointment with Clifton Ward, and I had an appointment with Sandra Barratt. Yeah. Uh, maybe just two. Maybe that's all I had was to that coming. Yeah, and so but it wasn't just a random sampling of fifteen gas stations, like we were looking for country gas stations.

We were looking for places that like towns that we felt like might have deer heads. But the one Brady Mountain one stop there north of well whatever direction from Crystal Springs, east of Crystal Springs, we literally coasted in there after our vehicle said zero miles left on fuel. We were going down the road and he had the nearest gas station, which was that spot in the GPS or I did, and he was like, all right, Uh, the spilometer says we've got two miles of fuel left?

How far is that? And I'm like, well, it says here seventeen across your fingers. Actually it was like we were like three quarters of a mile passed beyond what the capacity at the car said. And finally the cars z rode out and we've got it insight and we just slid right up to the gas And so that place totally was just random. And we went in there and that's where there was a big mule there we were. It was meant to be. Man, there was a wood duck. There was as a general rule about non native species

in gas stations. I can't talk negatively about it. It was still for it. I mean personally, when I see that, I'm like, but there's it's it's something different when I see a white tail or something, you know what I mean. What didn't make the cut was there was a jackal open there. Ah, So we we did we we did a little bit on the jack Where's where's the line is? No one's standard? People do not. I think we need to know what a jack loop. That's another song. Yeah,

everybody knows what a jackalope. It's a it's a it's a form of non standard taxidermy. Yeah, where they take a rabbit, They mount a rabbit and put deer horns on a rabbit, usually really brilliant, like a rag horn or actually something like that. Childhood jack a lope is a jack rabbit with antelope antlers? Really is that a brand name? Should we be? Are we gonna see somebody for using the jackal deer horns on it? Well? How many antalope do you see around southwest ar I mean,

we'd still call it a jackalope, I think so. But the actual jackalope is antelope antlers on a jackel. Like there's something with cotton tail, white tail there something. I think it's a little bit like a generic brand, you know, yeah, like it's it's just a little like eat that place. Uh yeah, that place had a big, nice set of dark dark hundred big like kind of a non typical like mule deer. But it was just skull. It was just a skull plate, you know. I bet I bet

nobody has spoken of that mule deer in fifteen years. Well, it'd be nice, it'd be interesting to interview the owner. Uh, And we didn't. We didn't meet him. We just walked in there and there it was and then so your question was how many scripted stocks really just too then there were fifteen other ones, and I was pretty pleased with the amount of deer horns that we saw on our trip, though it wasn't like a random sampling. The

taxi dary representation of south southwest Arkansas southeast Oklahoma. Was that first place you stopped the smokehouse? Was that a gas station? Like a restaurant, like we just wanted some beef jerking semen roles? So I remember as a who doesn't it reminded me of going to this country family restaurant when I was a kid, just chalked full of dusty old taxidermy all, you know, mangy looking that it.

It immediately took me back there as a kid. Brent, what was your favorite part of the road trip, Miss Sandra? You know you talked about seeing her, talking about the deer heads and the deer heads, and you think about all the places that you grew up and saw. Miss Andrew took me back to the people. You know, there's not a lot of folks like her or not. I don't see a lot of folks like her anymore. I mean, she has been a staple at that one place for

the majority of her life. She knew if you called it, if people listening heard that she was telling clay deer stories. And all of a sudden, guy walks in and she stops mid citizens says, hello, Billy done. No, us, I just wanted to bring her home with me. And she's just a genuine a good person, a genuine person, and she she had so much value in those deer heads up there that there's probably people walking in out of that store that if you ask them, they've probably been

in there a million times, some of them. What do you think about all those deer heads and dunlap store? And I'm like, what, dear heads? People are so focused now, get in, get what you need, get out, and get gone. I could have stayed there all day and listen to her talk about the different things on the front of

that and I made a little mention of it. There was on the front of the cash restor was a pictures from old pictures, new pictures of kids, grown ups, folks that were you know, graduation pictures and engagement announcement And I asked her, us, I said, these are not all families, Oh no, this is just part of our community here. We're all family, and it was just it was so cool because I grew up in a place like I made mention that that her stories were rivaling

any of those ever told on The Burgers podcast. Um, what do you call it? When someone gets there? There's a term for athletes that like get in the zone and they're they're they're just like almost operating at like a supernatural level. What do you call like free flow

or in the work flow? Okay that means okay. So miss Sandra when she started telling the story towards the end, she it was like she was in the she was in the flow and her her voice picked up the pace and she was like and then there she was. And then I was coming through there and I said, oh, well, spank you. But she was great, but she really got fired up, like she would talk to you just like real normal, just like, yes, this is don Kelsey killed

this one. And then but then by the time the end, she was like just like she was just ripping on the stories and we couldn't include them off. She told us I think every single story that and a couple of them she didn't know the full story, but she knew all the details that were owned, like that there came from this place and this man and it's been here for this long. There were ten deer so you guys only heard like three stories. But yeah, she was

a super sweet lady. And I just like cold called her and one and you know, just said, hey, this is who I am, this is what I'm doing. You know, she didn't know anything, and I just and and it's hard to describe to someone on the phone in a gas station, Like gas station conversations on the telephone are not long. It's just like hello, Dunlap store. You know. It's not like they're gonna sit there. Yeah. Yeah, And

there's people coming in and out. Yeah yea. And so here I am trying to say, like, hey, we would like to come to your store and interview you about your dear heads like I could. And she was real sweet, but I could tell you she was like these guys are weird. Yeah, And I was like, okay, well, we'll be there tomorrow about ten o'clock and um and you know, brand will be wearing her overalls with the John Deer cap. Uh. You'll know who we are when you says no. She

was She was real nice. But that that was neat and then uh, Clifton Ward. Clifton Ward was a neat old guy. Had he had just he had that whole gas station covered in deer. And the biggest coincidence of the whole thing was we were in there talking to Clifton Ward and the man who told me about the Clifton Ward was Rusty Johnson, who lives in Northwest Arkansas, which is four hours from there. Rusty Johnson's dad lives

in Texas, Canada, which is hours from from Dirk's. We're in there talking to Clifton Ward, who I've never met before but new through the Johnson's, and Jack Johnson walks up. Jack Johnson is a Boon and Crockett score. I had just asked the man, you know, we just guessed on the score. Jack Johnson goes Clay. You can hear him go Clay, And I turned around, like Jack and anyway, he was like just passing through. I mean, it's anyway Rusty's dad. I mean I just said that, Yeah, Rusty's

dad was Jack Johnson. But um, Josh, anything stand out to you? Well? Coincidence enough. Today I was listening to this podcast again and right before I get to the part where Brent talks about the funeral procession. I see the first funeral procession I've seen in two years right in front of me. The officers lights are on. I look up and I thought, oh, I better stop. Before I realized, I thought it was just an officer coming down the road, and I realized it's a it's a

funeral procession. I've ripped my hat off and pull over. That. Would you have known to do that before? I didn't. I never thought about taking my hat off when I was really disappointed. Who is your dad? He didn't teach you that? Come on, man? Well? Yeah, so I thought that was a nice little tip bit thrown in there. Okay, I was like, what it's like, it's like a little p s A right in the middle of the podcast. Yeah, it was. I wanted. I wanted the podcast to feel

like a road trip, you know. That was the soundscapes of the podcast. We are a nice change, like I can hear the squeak of a door opening in the bell ring when you go into like all those like the atmosphere we try to create in here. How long? How long? How long was that road trip? What left?

I was in Alma by seven o'clock. So I left here about six o'clock in the morning and I got home about nine o'clock at night, and we pretty much drove the whole time, and I picked up Brent Alma, and then we went from Alma to Crystal Springs, Two Sunshine, Kirby Derek's, Hayworth O, Oklahoma, Antlers Moyles, Oklahoma, and then back up through Fort Smith and then back to northwest Arkansas and Brent went, are you kind of like a gold digger? I don't know what the rat word would baby?

It looked like Brent fund to the whole project. Yeah? Who Yeah, Brett brought me bought me a few drinks. Um, you have to I'm not sure how that happened. Um what what? What? All convenience store items were consumed on this trip. Um? Well, by far the best and it wasn't convenient store we're coming from Burrows was that there was a centinar roll and we put pictures on Instagram, but as big as a cow patty and we had. He gave us two and we we eat one all day.

It took us all day to eat one. And then at the end of the trip we cut the other in half and he brought some home and I took some home. We're still eating on it. They had some some beef jerkey that was crazy good. Oh my gosh, that's that was good. And then we had a Bologney sandwich at Sanders. I don't know what paid for. Yeah. Finally that was the meal lip sandwich from Yeah, that didn't make the cut. We we gave a wildly exciting audio version of a Bologny sandwich being made, somehow didn't

make play by play. You know. It was cool about that store at Dunlap store. When uh, when Alexa, when Alexas saw the video that you put on Instagram, but she said, I recognize that store. I've been there. I thought you have been in Dunlap store. Yes. Her grandfather, A. T. Oliver was a Church of Christ preacher in southwest Arkansas, and he in Murphysboro and he loved stopping in that store and getting that hand dipped ice cream. And she

talked about and they had his funeral. The whole family goes down there, so there was three van loads of and to honor him. On the way back, they all stopped there and building that store and got some hand up tasks. I've been in that store. That's pretty cool. Dad. What was your favorite part? You know, I just enjoyed the relaxed nature of the whole thing. It brought back a lot of memories about Mr Petty's where I lived in Hot Springs. You could go too blocks in any

direction and there would be a little store. You know, they have deer heads in it, but you know, and then as I got older, I said, convenience stores have come in and these things disappear. So as you, as you look, I enjoyed mistis uh social capital deal? And I can think of what what has replaced this? Because something is replaced that this part in a community, the old store and coffee shops is about all I could. You know, you got church, you got civic clubs, You've

got a lot of stuff going on. It bring people together, You've got rage. You've got all kinds of stuff going on that pull communities together, and a lot of times chamber of commerce as hell. But in my little small town, the coffee shops are a big deal. You know, you'll walk in a coffee shop and there might be ten guys sitting around. Do you sit down there and drink coffee? No, I don't. I go in occasionally and just see see these guys, But I don't, you know, I'm too busy.

What are you doing. I'm just I'm just a dead beat man and I've come really good at I'll tell you what really disappointed me. I mean, I just couldn't believe two guys, if y'all stature, would walk into a store, a station that didn't have uh any taxidermists at all, and not harass them a little bit. I mean, I mean I could see that. As humorous as you guys can be. I think we should have confer. Don't know, I think so, man. I mean, little story here, but

where's your dead come dear heads? Paper out of the bathroom? We did a little braffiti on one of them. We didn't put that on there. We went in the back and spray painted stuff. I'm just kidding. That's a good I take that criticism. Yeah, we should have confirmed. We just walked out of there like a couple of little uh.

We were eager to get to the next spot. The toilet paper steal in the toilet paper made me think that's no yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, uh an issue that wasn't brought up on here, and I felt like was could have played an integral part in this conversation, especially with Mr Shreeve. Is uh bathrooms? That was like the number one thing my mom talked about with gas stations, crowing up like does that place look like it has

a clean bathroom or not? Oh? Right, like in in in the idea of trying to get people to stop at your store, right, yeah, just like that was that was item number one. You also roads clean bathrooms, yeah, Mom, improved bathrooms. You might find an inverse correlation, which means cleanliness of the bathroom goes up, taxidermy goes down. I don't know why, but that's my gut feeling. I know it's an unpopular opinion. If you go to a place and need to use the restroom, do you have to

buy something? Oh? A lot of people mandate it, like bathroom to paining customers only, stuff like that. I just feel this internal compulsion to do it. I'll like go buy a bottle of water or something. Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't think it's a mortal thing. I don't think i'm superior. I'm just I'm trying to put it out there and see people's feelings, thoughts. It's like to contribute, to be a financial The reason I brought it up into that one gas station, no taxidermy, you didn't want

to feel bad. You bought a sprite you didn't want We did it primarily because we walked in there and they were like eight people behind the counter watching us. We may have been the first customers that day. So I wonder if there's a link between customers in rural communities and deer heads. You can you do a follow up episode where you go back and you're like, we're here to help you out. We've got a trunk full of taxidermy. Let's throw it up for a week, see

what happens. That's a good idea. We could fill our vehicle up with taxes army and go around and see if people would let us hang. Yeah, man, I can't help that actually makes my stomach tightened just a little bit. It was a little It was a bit of a stretch time or two going in these gas stations, just cold turkey, like asking them about stuff. I mean, it's not it seems like, well, yeah, Clay, you would have been comfortable talking. No, I wouldn't have been had it's

a sign of the times. And I don't know what it is, but maybe it's the fast paced life or the disconnected people have. But you don't you don't walk into a store like like miss Sanders's store, and we didn't walk into a store. I don't think that anybody was rude. Most of people were welcoming. Can I help you? You know? But you get a general feel and when somebody is actually glad to see you and know that you're coming in. And we got to them like that

one place in Oklahoma. The ladies were working there in that little store with the two stores together that had no idea about any of the deer Is Hanks exactly. They were like, hey, y'all, come on here and welcome to get you. And we started talking about dear heads. And they looked at each other like cash looking at a new gate. They're like, what are these folks doing? But once they figured out what we were doing, many all they could do to help us. Yeah, Yeah, they were.

They were pretty. They were really so a lot of places they weren't. They didn't slow down when we figured out what Yeah, and that's why I think that's what makes it, what makes it different that you us to folks like her, those two ladies and Miss Sandra and allthough the folks that we saw there. That was nearly every place you would go, and now we talk about

it because it's not it's well different. When you're talking about Miss Sandra and the pictures up on the register, right, it made me think, like, that's social media, pre social media, right, And I'm not here to like just uh talk bad about social media. I think there's a lot of good

and positive and upside potential to it. But it is a force that, uh can silo us, make us not as connected, make us want to say things that are mean spirited or whatever because there's no in person repercussion sort of tears the fabric of some of our community. But when you go to the gas station and you see the pictures and you're interacting with people face to face, it builds those things. That is that in that vein of social capital that you're talking about, or is that

uh not rel it at all? No, I think it's I think it's in the in that vein, And I think what Brent's talking about. You know, you don't want to be too nostalgic about the past, because the past had stuff in it that you know, whenever you talk about a place of connection, a place of community, the next question is always for who was everyone in the

community really allowed in that space. So in some ways there have been improvements, but overall there has been a generational shift across races, across different cultures particular, and and this is a North American thing. Most of the research that we've seen is North American, but a generational shift. And all the things that Gary just named parades, church, church membership, civil civic organization membership, and and even when

they're still membership, people are replacing. For example, I was reading this week about people are essentially replacing doing four and doing with doing on behalf of or doing with with doing on behalf of. Well, so like people are still involved, I mean the US. I don't know if you'll ever read Topefield, but when he came to the U S it was this is like in the I mean centuries ago. One of the things that stood out about the US was its civic participation and how how

rich community life was today. Even with the US when with our civic participation dying, we're still more engaged in our communities and in volunteers than a lot of other countries. Yeah, so all the research that we're looking at is that

I've I've been looking at is in the US. But even when people are people, so people stay engaged in like volunteer organizations like the Lions Club, the House club, um or family you know, community traditions, but a lot of times they'll give a donation instead of going and doing and so. And that's that doesn't get you the same thing. That doesn't get you the same social benefits. You know, we all have that need to socialize with

each other, and we're going to find it. We don't have to have that little we don't have to have done lap store work. I'm gonna seek it out. Now, certain people aren't quite as apt as others to find that socialization, you know, wherever it's going to be. You know, a deer deer camps. They didn't used to have deer camps probably like we have now where you've got thirty forty people in a deer camp and I mean they they don't kill deer. They got in there and eat

and visit and have big time. Uh So it's really important to have that structure in your society. But the more urbanized we get, the more people walk in and go dead deer hanging on the wall, and it almost becomes like a work. This story I've told you about so much, it becomes a tourist attraction. So if you can capture what you were looking for, and you can do it well enough, the Corvette Club will come there, the Motorcycle Club will come there, the four Readers will

come there. There's two new little places and around our commun unity that have done exactly what they did, what dun Laps has done, and people come from all over to go there. They've rebuilt the old store down there, and you go down there and it'll be thirty forty four wheelers parked around it. I'm thirty miles twenty miles from from the hub of four Wheeland, and I stopped in to get a biscuit from this guy, and I've heard about his story. He got deer heads in there, Yeah,

I'm sure he does. He I know he has fish. He's big fisherman because it's it's an old building, you know, and he's he's smoking meat, and you know, he's got ice cream, and I mean people just love that. So instead of it being in every community and all of a sudden becomes straction. Yeah. So Dad was telling that there's a story in o ark Arkansas, which is maybe the one of the oldest gas stations. It is the

oldest going concern in Arkansas. Supposedly eighteen nine is when it started as a store, right right, and it's it's ongoing. And I would just bet you if you were to do a study on it. It was just a store for years, but now probably in the last twenty years, it's a best the nation. Yeah. Yeah, they've they've made it into like a themed it's kind of going into like a cracker barrel or something like, uh, you know, antiques,

and you get really good there. You've got wooden floors, you've got a poor chick and set on, you got old pictures all over the place. I actually was gonna go there to the Arcs General Store, I think is what it's called. And uh and and we just weren't able to get there. Hey, let me let me were We do not need dune laps. I don't want done laps. I wanna. I wanna Cherokee casino that I can walk in with a clean restroom, get gas at a cheap price. And walk out and listen to a podcast and not

interface with not necessarily interface. But if I know there's a place around it has done laps personality, I'm gonna drive to it. You know, it's gonna be a point where you know, I want to go to it, But it's been replaced by something better in my opinion. In my opinion, yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna drive the dun Laps to fuel up when I can drive ten miles the other way and and get a McDonald's burger. I can buy something saying is that we've chosen what

we wanted. I mean, like like like time and progression, the dollar bill dictated. And that's what Jeff said, you know, that's what j B. Shreeve said, mecause that if you map it onto something else that's happening. I've got a lot of friends who take issue with Jeff Bezos and the way he runs his company and still buy from Amazon because it's really convenient. It's like, you may say that you want this, but like ultimately I'm stopping at

the chain gas stations because they're convenient. They're right here. It's going to be clean, it's gonna need you know this is contrary. Probably that everybody listened to this. But I moved to a little town in Arkansas to raise a family, to have a nice career opportunity. But I would not have moved there had there not been a Walmart. I'm telling you. I mean that seems kind of crazy. If there hadn't have been up hut a Walmart, just a couple of conveniences, I would have said, Hey, I'd

need this career opportunity. You guys can have it. So uh Amazon, I mean they're putting people out of business, but I mean it gives my family more money. I see, stiff money live better. Yeah, you know, so so therefore I can take a vacation. I can. And that's what I think I'm trying to say, Like, I'm not anti modernization, and I wouldn't want anybody to ever get that idea, even though they might be like think that. Like I I love Walmart. I love going and buying cheap gas.

All that I think is interesting is understanding reading what's happened and what we've given up for. This is just just to map the change. Like I'm I'm with I see what you're saying. That's a great point because we're not. Yeah, I don't. I don't want somebody to be confused and think that we're trying to be like nostalgic for the past, like I don't like doing. Like do you want to

go back to rotary dial landlines? Yeah, Like I'm cool with it being and us having the Internet and social media and being able to buy gas quick and not have to go in and talk to someone for thirty minutes. But maybe just throw a white tail inside, just put

a deer head in there, and I'll be fine. But my my point in in in what's interesting about it is just trying to map and understand where our society has moved because you just wake up and you think it's normal and you look back and be like, well I used to be general stores and all this, and then you you look at the oil industry, you look at social capital, and these ideas. Is just interesting. That's all I want to do. Like, yeah, I'm with you, And that's a great point. I'm glad you said that.

Like I don't. I don't. I don't necessarily want to go back. I just want us to understand where we're at and then we can find you know, we don't have to build relationships at the gas station anymore. Like that is not a human necessity. It wasn't like in the beginning there was a gas station and that's where you went to get all your information and your gas.

But we do have to build relationships somewhere try and I think that that's what And this is kind of We've talked to our kids a lot that we live our lives off of ancient principles that do not go out of style. There is no fad that is gonna The principles that we live our lives by are always going to be no matter what technology, no matter what technology comes. But we live a very modern lifestyle that's governed a very modern lifestyle that's governed by those ancient principles.

And I think that that's the thing is we're not trying to just go back to And because I think Clay, you actually would you would prefer to live in a city, I mean a town that does not have a Walmart in it. That would be your preference. And as evidenced by the fact that we live in a town that does not have a Walmart in and that we've always I feel like we've gone out of our way to go to gas stations. I mean, Clay wants to go to a place that has characters. So I think you

you definitely would. I would say, I hear what you're saying, and you don't want to go back, and you like your smartphone, but you also you like to take the kids. TikTok I mean, I mean it goes back to own TikTok. You know TikTok. I think that's a Chinese corporation. I got I asked him this last week. But bear grease, I mean you're all about that. The popularity of what you're doing is based on dun laps. I mean, who

wants to kill a bear to get grease? I'd rather go to a store and buy Yeah, yeah, kill you too healthy. I think the themes that we always come back to are the things that have tension in them, and that's what you're discussing, like yeah, yeah, like just that tension of like the old meeting the new, the things that I like, meaning the new things that I like, and I think I think we're hanging out. Got to

be aware, like it. It's just smart to just be aware and just understand stuff it's interesting and just put a dead gum deerhead in your guess station. Really, how hard is it actually? And one of my I'm going to say this, my favorite part was the guy who what was his name, Shaquille I wanted to bring up he was I love Sandra and I totally definitely the

m v P. But Shaquille. I thought that was super cool because you kind of have this meeting of the world's where Shaquille clearly wasn't you know, his family origin is not yeah it's not Southeast Arkansas or southwest Oklahoma or wherever you were, but he he in a certain level, you know, embrace there. You can see the cultures coming together. And I thought that was a super cool story that someone felt close enough to Shaquille to say, hey, I'd like to bring my beer head a store to to

hang taxidermia. She likes the community aspect, and he's like, yep that yeah. Yeah. He was such a cool guy. He It was a neat old store he had, and I mean it was I mean, he wasn't trying to be cute by being a country store like. He had just a just enior store that he was just trying to make a living in. But it was a neat old building and turns out there's some history with that place. He said it had been there like eighty years or something.

And we will suck in and it was a small There was one other person in there, and he was they were just he was talking to this guy. I think this guy had like a twenty four pack of beer, like at two o'clock in the afternoon, and he was sitting there talking to Shaquille, probably for later consumption. We it was hard to responsibly he was larder of but they were just talking this like they were best buddies,

you know. And then I knew that a couple of these stories, I would walk in with my recorder and kind of just be like incognito. But I knew that I had to tell us about what we're doing. And so he was very interested in the Burger's podcast. He had me write it down on piece of paper and my and and I said, I'm gonna write my name and my phone number. I need to reach back out

to him to see if he heard it. It was to me it was a highlight in the because it kind of to me, it's almost like in Shaquille's store, this tension that we're talking about was resolved. I mean, you you're clearly seeing a global universe and and I mean you're just seeing so many things. I have this on tape on tape on digital digital. H he when we were leaving, he said, he said, he said, what what good does this do people? To listen to yourself?

And You're like, that's an excellent question. Like he was really processing because I was like, we're a hunting conservation like his history, apologies, crisis, and and we're wet, let me know, we want we're going to talk about deer heads and gas stations. And he was just like, huh, now what company is it that you work for? And then around said what He literally said, what what? What? What good would it do for someone to listen to

this podcast? This is like the most genuine question. And I was like, well, actually, you know the hunting industry and that's a lot of people listening to the hunters. I said, it's actually a really huge industry in the United States. And he was like, oh yeah, oh yeah, he knew that, and uh and he just was puzzled. Man, he was just puzzled. But interesting. We could go with a royal up in his driveway, unannounced walk in with a deer head and said, hey, remember us, can we

hang this in here? I promise you. We ought to go hang a deer head down. We ought to hang a deer head and Moyle's Oklahoma, I think it's Moyle's something like that. Yeah, and we say every person that goes to that store because of bear grease, like will like give him something to take a picture. We ought to do that. I don't want to give up one of my deer heads. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It was. What was the name of the store, britting?

I was I was wondering if maybe interest it like sponsoring a scholarship of sorts or something like that to someone who may have a gas station or maybe looking to open a gas station and uh need taxidermy. I think that there's there's uh there's there's a greater good to be done. That's the good that happens from listening to this. We're connecting gas stations with Hey, what about the shout out Miss Sandra gave to that one taxidermy. She's straight up just like, here's the guy period. The end.

Let me is social capital right there exactly. He got an advertisement on beargreades that he knows what he would have to pay for that. Come on, let's just be functional social capital. Yeah, you go into places. In fact, I can think of several I won't mention them, and a couple of them are really good friends of mine. And I go, where's the dead come chairs around here?

I don't want to socialize people, And they go, we don't have chairs, and we don't want people coming in here to socialize, you know, And I'm really they don't. So it's more than like a gas station. Well, it's like a real good friend of ours and men that that, and you know, I mean, it's a great run place. It's clean, it's got nice restrooms, it's got great products.

There's no chairs, Do your business and get out. So what what I'm saying, or what I'm thinking, is you can have all the deer heads in the world, but you've got to have good food, you gotta have places to sit, you gotta have friendly people. Hey, what's going on, Billy? Don You gotta have two names? I mean, you know, two names. That's big and so. Yeah, So you can do that without deer heads, but it just happens. If you have that environment, you usually have some what we did,

you know, we could really dissect what we did. We used a a a almost a spurious correlation to try to draw conclusions about something much bigger. I mean, we realize deerheads do not mean that someone's gonna build social capital. There I am saying it. But it's a it's an indicator. It very strong. It could be an indicator of a time, a time past. I just don't understand why all these researchers that I've been they don't talk about not once

the liberal media. Mr says, Dude, when you said chairs, I immediately saw the little booths red for mica benches with a wood grain table top, two of them, right in front of a window. I can't tell you how many gas stations I've seen that little styrofoam cups of coffee, old men in their overalls, one cup, one cup of coffee, one spit cup. Yep. Absolutely, That's kind of the story of my grandpa is like his truck he when he I had my nephew got the truck and I got

in there and it just smelled like you. I mean, that's what it smelled like, the old spit cup. But we took him. He was he was dying, and we were trying to you know, we we knew he was gonna die. We were trying to get the kids these relationships. And we actually brought a video camera down because he was just a great storyteller and we wanted to hear him tell us stories. So that are and so I brought my kids down, my mom, all my kids sit in the room and we just asked him tell us

this story too, and he loved it. And after it was over, we said, hey, we want to take you Let's and we named the steakhouse downtown or anywhere else you want to go, just name the place. And his he he was not like super close to even his own family, his immediate family, his own kids. I would say he wasn't the best at building those kind of relationships. But that man ate out every single night of the week, and he built very deep relationships with those people. Are

and I'm not kidding. I would grow up and go into a restaurant and he'd be there. And I always felt like the people waiting on him knew him a little bit better than I did, because he had like this routine. But anyway, really hurtful. It wasn't. He wanted to go to the Country Express. That was where That's where he wanted. And the steakhouse that we volunteered to take him to his next door and he's like, not much of Let's go to the Country Express. That's where

I like to eat lunch on every Monday. He ate at that gas station and he knew everybody in there, and different people would come in, he tell us their story straight. People that were strangers to us would come in and they would stop and talk to him, and he would tell him, don't tell them I'm sick. It's like, you don't look well. You know, the businessman, not necessarily the businessman, the construction workers, you know, they had their

favorite little places to go, the Country Express them. I mean, it's just a gas station, has some nice booth and great, awesome, unbelievable food. It's a catfish, yeah, just barbecue, whatever you want. It's good, and you know it's it's it's it's one of these social capital deals. I go in there and I share what they're doing and projects their own and no deer heads though, mm hmm, sorry about that. But the further we got away from four lane highways, there's

a guy. There's a direct correlation between deer heads and the number of lanes on the highway Roots sixty six. You think about it, we don't, you know, we don't leave dune laps. We don't leave all these places. We retain a few of them. You know, just is artifacts or whatever you wanna call it. I mean, but Roots sixty six, I mean people travel that thing every year to just stop in a little driving. Yeah, small gas stations, I mean, so people learn how to make money off that.

You know. You say, well, let's I think I can start attracting people. Hey, we'll close down here pretty quick. Do you know where the Live Mountain Lion was? No question? I think about it every time I drive by. Yeah, then that was a gas station? Was it wasn't I'm fact checking myself. Yeah, what color? Was it? Jet black? Like a July night, I mean December night, nineteen seventy nine. One thing that came out of this was they did

gum purple cougar, wasn't it? Hey, So I bleeped out the name of the small country gas station that didn't have deer heads. I leaped out the town, I leaped out everything because I didn't want to make them look bad. I'm pretty sure everyone who ever drives too there's going to know who. I mean, there was another one that I be out completely. So I didn't want I didn't. I didn't. We didn't want to do harm to these rights.

We were so we were so impressed with the place I left the name in, even though we kind of got onto him for not having a deer. Yeah, yeah, I just kind of. I mean, they really went on. It was not Bary Grease sanction, but it would have been Gary Newcom sanctions. Yeah. You probably could have played a round of golf in there. I don't know. It was good. It was a big it was a big store. Oklahoma knows how to do gas stations. They sure, man that chucked all travel plaza with a like hundred eight

hundred nine. It may have been a dypical I mean it was straight up looked like a fence. It was. It wasn't dress typically, but it was typical rack. It was a beautiful deer, Yeah, it was. It was man. Thanks guys. Man. Do we ever have some exciting Bearar Grease episodes coming up in the future. I'm not even gonna give any hints, but very excited. I'm pretty excited about what's coming up.