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Ep. 260: This Country Life - Dog Traders

Oct 11, 202424 min
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Dog traders can describe people who specialize in selling dogs. The group Brent's talking about deals specifically with coonhounds. There's a lot of history in how selling was done in the past, as opposed to how it's done today. Hear how one community of Arkansas hunters did it and listen to a tale of how a hound made an impact on Brent and his family. Join us for Dog Traders on MeatEater's "This Country Life" podcast.

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Welcome to this country Life. I'm your host, Brent Reeves. From coon hunting to trot lining and just general country living. I want you to stay a while as I share my experiences and life lessons. This country life is presented by Case Knives on Meat Eaters Podcast Network, bringing you the best outdoor podcast.

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The airwaves have to offer.

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All right, friends, grab a chair or drop that tailgate. I've got some stories to share dog traders. Dog traders can get an undeserved bad reputation at times. Back in the day, some of them are as bad as snake oil salesmen, promising high, delivering low, and then it's goddadling out of town with all your money. Modern times have all but erased them, but there's still something to be found, and if you do get caught up on the short end of the retribution is a lot easier these days.

I'm going to tell you some things that can help you a little about what to look out for and what a.

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Dog trader is.

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But first I'm going to tell you a story. It was the day before the COVID catastrophe started in Arkansas. I had driven three hours through the backwoods to the foothills of the Washington Mouse to look at a coon. How that I'd only seen a video of barking at a coon in a cage on Facebook Marketplace at Chawa while will do the same thing a dog, even a dog made for barking at coons, actually barking at a cage coon only proves one thing that the dog can bark.

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Now.

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Had he not done that, it could have been a red flag. But because he did it certainly wasn't a testament to any inheritabilities other than to be able to produce sound. He did it with a lot of vigor that didn't go unnoticed by me. I've told the story of how his living conditions were not ideal and were borderlined criminal. The dirt floor was inches deep and sloppy mud due to the slope of the yard, and his only escape was on the top of a window unit

air conditioning frame that doubled as his house. Looking at this six month old coonhound standing on top of the empty air.

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Conditioning case, and as I walked up to the.

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Porch, I didn't know if I was there to look at a dog or to rescue one.

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It struck a chord with me that the way he looked at me.

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Now, there are a lot of people who will roll their eyes when it comes to a person remarking that dogs have the power of reasoning or can project anything other than contentment, fear, or anger.

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But I didn't get any.

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Of those when I looked into that dog's eyes as he stood there looking back at me, through my own interpretation that could have easily been of my own manufacturer, I felt connected to him immediately. He was half grown at around thirty five pounds, and outside of being muddy from legs down, he was as handsome a tree.

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And walker coon hound as I'd ever seen.

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He appeared well fed and looked after the best of the ability of the folks who owned him.

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A young lady opened the door after I knocked.

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On it in a small mobile home that stood in line with half a dozen that looked just like it in that trailer park in western Arkansas. She was very young, She was very polite and holding a little baby, and looking past her through the doorway where she stood, I couldn't help but notice everything inside that seventies model house trailer looked like it was in its place and as

neat and tidy as it could be. It didn't appear to be a lot of furnishings in there, but what I could see in that brief instant of looking past her, it appeared to hold value to the folks that lived there, and they took care of over the best they could. I suddenly got the same feeling that she valued this dog in the same way. And maybe my initial impression was biased towards what I had seen before I really

saw the whole picture. Maybe she was just doing the best she could, but what she had I'd rehearsed my bargaining speech for the last ten minutes before I pulled up at her home, and after talking to her on the phone the night before and that morning, she seemed highly motivated to sell the dog and asked several times during my question of her about his abilities, if I was going to buy him that day, and if I was bringing the money when I came to look at it.

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What was her motivation?

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And my excitement bled through in our conversations was.

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Was he sick? Did he bite?

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Why was she so eager to sell him? I kept asking myself these things all the way over there. Ten minutes after I got there, I knew all I needed to know about this dog. Oh again, this young mother. She needed the money, that dog needed a better life, and I had the ability to crackt both of them. I gave her more than she asked for, and I watched her crying. As I backed out of the driveway. Driving away, I was thinking, dang, lady is just a dog.

Thirty minutes away from home, my wife Alexis called me and said, Brent, can you pick up Bailey from school? Someone at work has reported they've been exposed to this COVID stuff and we're all on lockdown until they can figure out what we're supposed to do next. Yes, just tell the school. I'll be a little late. I'm just now get into the little rock. Oh yeah, I bought that dog. She didn't respond. It was just I'll let you know what's going on when I know. I love you,

and she hung up. So to the school I went and I picked her up, and I explained to Bailey what was going on, and that mommy would be fine, he'd be home in a little bit and she'd be back at school the next day that I had a surprise for her. Turns out that lop eer display of clumsiness was a surprise for us all That day in March when I picked Bailey up from school would be

the last day that she'd attend that year. Drastic and abnormal changes in ours and everyone's lives would be the new normal as we just adjusted to our new way of life. Spring mornings and evenings were spent outside in the backyard together Alexis, Bailey and Me and Whalen. He was what seemed to be an exercise in futility. He knocked over everything he came close to, including tables and Bailey.

Cups of coffee and glasses of tea were targets for his big, old, sloppy tongue that could wreck your favorite drink and started you when he snuck up behind you to lick your hand when you least expected it. His personality is that of a mischievous child. No that means no harm by any of the calamities he's causing, and regardless of the scoldings he receives, his memory of being in trouble is over quicker than you can say.

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Bad dog whaling.

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We couldn't imagine where we'd be four and a half years later after that spring day when he and I brought Bailey home from school, or the impact that just a dog would have on our family. We wanted normalcy and to get back to the routine of how all our lives were the day before we got it. Going through all of that over the course of the next year was made a lot easier by him being there. The fact that I don't ever take for granted or failed to realize what that silly dog has done for

all of us. We wanted to go back to school, we want go back to work, We wanted to gather with our friends. We wanted a lot of things that we couldn't get. But in the form of a barrel chested, big footed howl at every sirn within earshot hound dog, we've got what we needed.

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And that's just how that happened.

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Caveat Emptore. That ring bells with anyone, I'm sure it does with the majority of you, but for those that it doesn't. It's a Latin phrase that translates to buyer beware.

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And it was a bezo.

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Or stone that set this whole chain of events into motion many moons ago in Mary Old England. What's a bezoor stone? Well, I'm glad you asked, simply put it's anything that can be swallowed that gets caught up in a digestive system that can calcify over time and have the appearance of a round, smooth riverstone. Now, from what I found out, the ones recovered from animals were believed

to hold some type of healing power. Now, I ain't much on eating guts myself, so I can only surmise that there was some chitlin folks pawing around through the gut pile and looking for the goodies when they came upon the calcified whatever it was and decided it had some medicinal value. The Latin phrase caveat emptor became part of a common law in England way back y under

in sixteen o three. The phrase comes from a court case of Chandler versus Lopus, in which a goldsmith sold a buyer a beez or stone for one hundred pounds, but the buyer later sued the seller after realizing the stone wasn't making him feel any better. In fact, it was making him feel worse, being sick and thinking about all the money he lost, paying what would be twenty five thousand pounds in today's English currency for a remedy

that didn't work. The court ruled that the seller hadn't made any warranties that that stone was healing, which established a term in the legal world. There's lots of cool sound in Latin phrases in our modern lexicon, but maybe none as important as caveat emptore. Whether you're buying a car or a cow, you have the responsibility to yourself to make sure you understand all the components of the deal. But let's say you ain't buying either one of those.

You're buying a dog, and not just any dog hunt dogs. There's lots of options when it comes to hunting dogs. In the bird hunting world, you got retrievers, pointers, flushers, and a combination of all three, along with a box car load of different breeds. The same as true in tree dogs, squirrel, coon, bear, bobcat, and line dogs. There's bay and catchdogs for hogs, rabbit dogs, deer dogs, fox dogs, cow dogs, and even turkey dogs. That's a right, I said,

turkey dogs friendly support of hobby. There's a dog that's been bred to do the job of helping the hunter get his game. I talk about that partnership a lot because it's an important one. In my family's legacy and relationship with nature. It's also symbiotic of the trust humans and dogs having each other, a relationship that we've been nurturing for a long long time. Scientists say around fifteen thousand years, but who really knows. At one time the

leading scientists of the day thought the world was flat. Anyway, the best places to look for hunting dogs are through folks you know that are selldom one or having knowledge of being one for sale. A lot of you may have seen the Bear Grease road show film. Oh, Clay Bow and I did Call Squirrels and Coons in Arkansas. Portion of that film was dedicated to a coon hound that Clay was hunting on trial that belonged to my

good friend Michael Roseman. That dog was two years old, and the plan was this, Clay and I were going to be making this film, and before we went into production, Clays faithful old female plot Fern, she passed away and he was coon dogless for the first time in a long time.

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It was his idea to add.

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The element to the story of the film and started looking for Fern's replacement. We started beating the bushes looking for dogs, and my first call was to Michael. Ninety percent of my coon hunting is done with Michael and has been for several years. He's a good friend and a trusted source for anything, but especially when dealing with coonhounds and coon hunting. His whole livelihood depends on it.

Michael and his family manufacture son spot hunting lights, the coon hunting lights that I and everyone else that meet either wears. Selling a good dog to me is like selling a pocket knife for a shotgun. Why would you do that? Why would you get rid of something that's good? Never in my life have I ever sold a firearm,

a pocket knife, or a dog. But tonight I'll be sitting on the couch with my phone in my hand, watching an online auction and bidding on pocket knives that I'll never sell or may never even poke into my pocket. I might give one away. But my thoughts on selling a case knife is the same Atticus Finch took about killing the maukingbird.

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That is a sin.

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Alexis looks at the knives I've sequestered all over the house, and cause of the sickness whatever, I don't buy them to sell, And the same appliance to dogs, However, if someone else wasn't inclined to do so, I'd have neither dog nor not pretty well, know what you're getting. When you buy a knife, even if it's dull, you can sharpen it.

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The same doesn't always apply to dogs.

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So back to the story of Clay Michael's two year old dog, it was a trial basis front dog. Something that may be new to some of you, that you could take a dog out and try it out before you bought him. I remember my mama taking clothes home from Martin's Department store and Warren when I was just a boy, and she wanted to try them on. The ones she liked, she'd come back and pay for, and the ones she didn't, she'd just bring back. It was

called taking them out on approval. There was a lot of trust between the two, my mama and the store, but Warren was a small town and everyone knew everyone, and the thought of not bringing them back or taking advantage of the store it anyway, wasn't even a consideration. It's just how folks did that type of business back then. Anyway, It's not uncommon for dog owners that are selling them to take potential buyers hunting to show off the dog's abilities.

For the buyer, it's a chance to see the dog in a familiar environment to the dog. Were there no distractions during that film project? We hunted three nights in a row. In the first two nights, every time Michael un snapped the lead off of that hound, he treated a comb before a cat kili gets behind. He was on fire, and in every tree there sat a big, fat bandido looking back at us. Michael kept saying, Clay, this dog ain't this good. He was tree and three

and four coons to Whaling's won. It was a heck of a time for a dog to show out in front of the camera and equally his opportunity for one to.

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Look bad like Whaling did.

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Now, not that Michael's dog needed any help, but his two night bandido beat down of old Whaling was bordering on cruel and unusual punishment. A dog could absolutely do no wrong. Now here's where the seller is an event like this or a time like this, has the advantage over the buyer. He could have said, there's the proof right there, and there would have been no valid argument made against the dog's abilities. It was the perfect storm to sell a dog. But honesty and integrity stepped in. In cases

like this, it usually doesn't. Michael was adamant to Clay, this dog is good, but he ain't this good? But how could he say it? He was doing just what he was advertised to do. Cut him loose and watch him treacoon time after time. The truth was he was hitting pitches like Babe Ruth at a T ball game.

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He was in the zone.

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In every decision or gamble that dog made was the correct one. And even though for his first two nights in February that dog looked like a machine, the third night proved that he wasn't. He didn't treacoon every fifteen minutes like he had the previous two nights. He only wound up with two or three that night, and even let Old Whaler slip in and get one himself, which was still a well above average out and during that time of year here in Arkansas, for the most seasoned

of hounds. Now, for those of you that watched that film, you know that Clay didn't wind up buying that dog. Folks like what they like, and even though that dog would have been a bargain at any price, as far as qual he goes, he just didn't feel what Clay Bow was looking for. There's more to hunting dog than just the dog, and that's the way it is to a lot of folks. Michael's a lot like me when it comes to good dogs. Why would you sell one?

But sometimes you have more than you can handle, which is the reason he'd offer that dog to play in the first place. Michael had more good dogs than he could hunt. And a good dog sitting in a pen not being hunted, it's way up there on the no No list. We were talking about this just the other day and he got to tell me about the old dog traders from the past that he knew growing up that helped lay the foundation of how he handles selling

a dog on the rare occasion that he does. And by laying the foundation, I mean doing the exact opposite of what he saw most of them doing. These old guys were in the trading business and gathered twice a day at the local Coon Hunters Club where he grew up to swap lies dogs and lies about dogs. He said they'd be a gathering six days a week at the clubhouse of a dozen or more men that Delton coon house like blackjack dealers pass out cards at the casino. He told me they'd trade a good dog for a

bad one just to make a trade. It was a game and the only rule was there were no rules. They were all on an even playing service and they knew it. Michael said he couldn't count the times when a trade was made and the registration papers, some of the ink barely dry on them, were handed over to the new owner. And the question that was always asked, do these papers belong to this dog? And the response was always I give you my word they are. I

gave them to that dog this morning. During the evening gathered at the coon Club, they'd all leave together once it got dark and cut all the hounds loose a lot of times in one pack and just wait for one to get treated. They'd all marched to where the dog or dogs were treed to shine the coon. And he said he was with them one night as a kid, and he heard a dog come treae weed down.

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In the bottoms. So the way they all went, he said.

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After a mile of mud and briars and swamps, they found that hound tree barking at a crawfish that was backed up against a dead law. Both pinchers out like he was holding a pistol in each hand and daring anybody to come closer. Now, in dealing with a dog trader, how do you know what kind you've got?

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Are they like the old men that Michael told me about?

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Are they more like Michael, who's not a dog trader by any means? There's a lot of folks just like Michael who sell dogs for the same reason and believes or not, there are a bunch of good folks who simply make a living selling good quality, hone dogs. Here's how you weed your way through the sea which kind you're dealing with. You ask questions, You do research, You seek out references. You take everything with a grain of salt.

Unless you're buying a robot, be prepared to be frustrated, surprised, and maybe even disappointed. Sometimes even the best of intentions and qualities end in failure. It's a gamble every time. And one other thing, Remember the phrase, mmmm, that dog ain't never done that before?

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When and if you hear.

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That one when you're describing something out of a character and off the wall, that the dog that you just spent your hard earned money on did to the person you bought it from. If you hear that one, don't be surprised if he eventually trees a crawfish.

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It's been on to happen, you know.

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It's easy to see the common denominator and what those old folks Michael told me about we're doing if you look past the subpar dogs, falsified registration papers, and the fruitless hunts that they were all sharing. Within that group, they were spending time together and join each other's company and competing on who could come out ahead this week, only to start it all over the next with the

majority of the same dogs. Now, I'm sure there were one or two whose motives were less than honorable, but those folks usually weed themselves out of a group like that. I saw that with the men who hunted and dealt dogs with my dad. New faces would come.

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And go, but there was always a core group.

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Of men that were seemingly always there until they weren't. Time is a thief, and it steals us one by one from our circles. There's only a few of those men left the hunting with my dad and the old men, along with Michael's old coon club from his youth, they're both gone too. What once was a regular twice daily meeting of houndsmen and dog traders has now left to stories and memories that, unless told, they'll all be gone as well. Now dogs are so more on the Internet

than anyplace else. You can watch videos of the dog you're interested in, and see live feeds from the woods in real time, what the dog's capabilities or limitations are, and never leave the couch. With DNA and micro chipping, is harder for a crooked dog trader to get.

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Over on someone. That's a good thing.

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It's hard to dodge an irate person you just circled out all his money with the speed of social media. In the same vein, the person who makes the first post on any deal gets to tell the story, and sometimes the guilty dogs bark first. Such are the times in which we find ourselves. The absence of the gathering of the old dog traders is a sad thing to me, and, regardless of the inevitable tick of the clock, I hate

to see things like that go away. I realize that with progress comes changed, but change doesn't come without a cost. I'm not sure that what we got in trade for those old men gathering at the Coon Club twice a day was a very good deal. Thank y'all so much for listening. Remember and pray with me for everyone affected by the hurricanes, and give, if you can, whatever you can to a legitimate organization until next week. This is Brent Reeves, sign it off.

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Y'all be careful.

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