Ep. 23: Bear Grease [Render] - Whoopins, Newcomb Bear Camp, and Warner Glenn

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Socially awkward situation. You're standing there. I'm an idiot, I don't know, and the teachers like you sit in in style, and I just couldn't go to the office. And then it was swats and I never looked. Really that was the first day, first day, first day of preschool. I got a wepened the first day of seventh grade. I mean, which what happened in seventh grade? I got blasted on the first day of school, first first day school. It's set the president for not only that year, rest of

your life. Pretty well. And why did you get well, man, we went from desk. You know, you always had a desk to sit in, but in the size class they had a table there, so it was two folks to the table, and my buddy Greg Hayes was sitting with you. That was a mistake. You were not lying because he whispered I've ever tried in my life. I trust him with my life. But what happened was what it was was we were talking and the teacher, well, the teacher asked me, I can't remember now which one of us

was talking that you can't quite recall. I assume it was Greg. Anyway, the teacher said, are y'all talking? And I mean immediately you would think he's saying, you know, stop, no, sir, He's like you told me alt, I go stead in the hall. I thought, wow, this is harsh. I'm fling to get set outside. Well I go outside, I'm standing on the wall. Well, this ain't too bad. And then he walks out with the paddle. This is got serious. First day, first day, he said, three days or three leaks.

I said, give me three legs, and but three days or what of going home? Yeah, that's that's exactly what they I don't know what they did down where you're from, the same here. Yeah, that's the kind of stuff they did in Hatfield too, So I never I never got whoopings at school. I was sent to the principal's office one time for defending my friend Donald Myers. Donald somebody was jumping on Donald Myers and I saw it from a long ways away and it made me mad, and I went over. He was off with a guy and

kind of wrestled with him. And the teacher saw this and she was like, go to the office, and so we went and stood by the office and I thought my life was over. The bell rang and the principal came out and was like, y'all go to class, and so I just took off. You know what. You know what I did though, I went and told Gary nucom something I want you to know. I was sent to the principal's office today. Number one. If that boy from kindergarten says, I cust this was first grade, so this

was the next year. Get hey, welcome to the Burger srender. I have no conscience. Man, I'm very very excited about today. We have some one very special guest. Everybody else here has has been here multiple times. We're gonna we're gonna start. We're gonna go counterclockwise to my right, Brent Reeves, Man, good to see you just get back from bear camp. Yeah, we're gonna talk about that, talk about some bear camp here in a little bit. Isaac Neil and I feel

like an old You're like an old hat. Now, Bender, I'm I'm working on just I'm going to move into your house if you got some spare rooms now, so pack defel next time. And yep, yep so so he was a bear camp too, Dan awesome to We're gonna save our mystery guests to the end, skipping over the mystery guest, Misty newcom Welcome Misty. I also was that bearcas Yes, I didn't get a bearca. Hey, listen, if I had more places to bear hunt, I would invite all of you. You know, I take it personally. And

Misty's right. Daniel Rupe, Dr Dan Rupe, good to see you man happy here, Brent, do you mind giving us a audio tour of Daniel's attire. He's looking pretty sharp. Daniel's hair is parted in the middle. It's looked very erroal aero dynamic. His beard is full and I see no gray hair in there that from this. Oh a little patch, I see a little patch. But he's dressed in a blue plaid shirt with tie. He's got a ti tech. Is that a half windsor or a full windsor?

That is uh, you want to go ahead? This is that's a glimpsing this right, there is a glimpse in the misty's laugh right here, miss telling the story. Here's the story. Yeah, he's also got on blue jeans, some some kind of cowboy boots, and a belt buckled the size of a small child, some about old fort worth, old days, old fort days buckles from nineteen seventy nine. No way, that's the year that my birth first. No, I'm all the older. I've always been over taller and

better looking. Oh man, wow, I was October eighteen. Everybody knows that. Dang it. I don't know how you don't. You just gave taller and better looking. I am slightly older. We voted, you know. I just want to plot Dan that the hairline is special. It's kind of feathered. And my kids know Uncle Dan best for being the guy who went a decade without brushing your hair. I still don't brush my hair. It just falls down now it does. It didn't for a long time. It went straight up

for a long time. It was in my youth. That is extra Okay, now it's it's calmed down. Hey, Okay, our mystery guest sitting directly in front of me is my uncle Mike Schultz. Mike is an honor to have you here. I got it. I got to say hi to everybody, Mike every so, so I've got to give an introduction to Mike Schultz. Mike went with me. Number one. He's here because he went with me to Arizona three or four weeks ago, whenever it was when we went to meet Warner Glenn. So that's what we're gonna talk

about on this podcast. Is is Warner Glenn. So Mike went down there with me, and Mike Schultz was the one who had to have been close to twenty years ago.

I mean when you first told me about your friend Jay Dussard, who had had photographed and had these friends who were the Glens and they were mountain lion hunters and his daughter hunted with him, and they had mules and they were You told me about them years and years ago and showed me photos of him, and I mean I just always thought, Wow, that's so cool, and uh, and then just this year it kind of all came together and you with me down there, and Mike is

a to say, Mike, as a photographer anymore, it's pretty easy to be a photographer like I have occasionally said, yeah, I'm a photographer, you know, because I have a nice camera and take photos and stuff. Mike Schultz has aside from his professional career, which he was a dentist, so he has a doctor as well. We can go him doctor Schultz. He did. He's dedicated his life to photography to a pretty big portion of his world. Mike tell us just a little bit about the type of photography

you've focused on. Well, for the beginning of my career, it was pretty much landscape oriented, and I did that with large box cameras with big film holders and that kind of thing. I did that for probably twenty five years, and then I started working professionally, mostly because I had an industry in interest in large industry. And then I started using smaller cameras and getting more interested in industry and what goes on in large industry like steel mills

or foundries and that type of thing. And that's been the pretty much the focus of my work, uh since then, although I still do some landscape work as well, but most of it is is more centered around industry and the workers and the work that they do. Mike has traveled around the world. He got a Googgenheim. Right, do you know what that conditions are? You? Okay, you to put some barrel on Isaac. We're gonna say. Let me

just interpret this for us Hillbillies. Guggenheim is like a massive honor and award in a in a how about you tell us what it is, Mike, Well, Guggenheim Fellowship is an award given through a competition that's held every year and throughout North America. It was started in the mid nineteen twenties, I believe by a senator by the name of Guggenheim who had a son who died at age fourteen, and in order to honor their son, they started this foundation. Now the name Guggenheim is Austin associated

with the Guggenheim Museum in New York. Uh, same family, But the Guggenheim Fellowship is not is not really the Guggenheim Museum. It's it's a different branch of the family that started this. And they give awards in science, arts, performance, literature, composition, you name it. Uh, and that they give that all those awards everywhere. Give any kind of award to me and Brent, Yeah, I think it's I think there's such a uniqueness there. I think there's a very good like

a category you know. I don't know, but you got this skuganut and which was basically they sponsored a an initiative that you did and you made your books, made a book. So you traveled the world and went to foundries, which I would have known what a foundry was. Do you know what a foundry is? Looking at everybody, he's a doctor. Everybody in here, but the doctor or something. You knew it, and he didn't. I could tell by

his eyes. No, Mike, Mike has traveled the world going to foundries, which is where they basically cast huge molten, cast steele for huge parts and so like he has. It's just a it's like going into the underworld. I mean, visually you just can't comprehend the images. Have you ever been to a found I happen to own a book about this question. You've ever been to? Okay, Mike, Okay, back to Mike. Well, yeah, what's the name of the book. It's called Foundry Work. And there were actually two books done.

It was a volume one in a volume two. Yeah, we're done, and they're amazing. I mean they people buy those books, Mike, Yeah, they can get them off my website. That's photography dot com. Hey, you can go to my instagram and see the couple of the photos that are on my instagram Mike took, you know, and they were just they weren't like artistic photos necessarily, they were just me and j and I put one of me and Warner up. Did you say how to get to your

website Michael Schut's photography dot com. I want to get that book, you guys know, I like I like good introductions. We spend like thirty minutes doing introductions. I got to say this about Mike because I don't know when Micha will be back on the render um judging about what's going on already. And if I let's just say I had five fingers on one hand, hypothetically, hypothetically, Mike Schultz would be top five most influential the hand Well, I mean you could have just said top five you just

started with. It is a podcast. No one can see what you're I'm just holding up my hand for drama. Okay, listen, Okay, the pinky is Dan Rude, the smallest feer. Know. I gotta know Mike, and we have I view. Mike is like He's my uncle, and so I look up to him. But I would say our relationship is not as much like uncle nephew. It's more like friends. That's the way I view it. And we've run around together pretty a lot in the last twenty years. Man, I was trying

to tell us Isaac earlier today. By nature there I would be unorganized mismanaged much more than Okay, Mike. The precision inside of Mike Schultz life has dramatically altered who I am today. If you dramatically altered thank you. Yes, yes, total chaos would have been unleased on the world years ago. Joking, I'm not three years ago. Listen to what I'm telling you. Three years ago, we rolled up in here early one morning. We were getting on a flight three hours later going

to Saskatchewan. Clay says, man, I got to pack. I've been packed for three weeks and I'm unorganized. But he's that morning, Man, I gotta get my stuff together, Dude, I'd been busy, Brent, for real, Mike, this is just Mike is also a master woodworker. He makes some of the finest furniture you've ever seen. Anything Mike does, he puts precision into it. And that has impacted me. And I think it's important that you know the people that

you're around. I've learned to be impactable, to see character traits inside of people, recognize your own deficiency and be like, I want to be more like that, and I'm not. And we're gonna get back to Mike when we talk about meat and Morner Glenn. I want to talk about bear Camp though. So we just last week we had

the kind of Newcomb family and friends bear Camp. Almost all the friends, almost all the friends we I wish Bear Newcomb could be here, he could tell his story, but tell him, give us a give us an overview brand of the of our weekend. Well, I mean we get there on the day before it opens up. My well as you y'all got there a couple of days early. I got there on Friday. Well, James and I go around. We checked baits. You guys are checking baits James Lawrence.

James Lawrence, who was on episode number two of the Bargars podcast, did a bio on him. Not a daylight picture anywhere out of the four baits that James and I were looking at. So it was just a coin flip where we're gonna go, and jameson's where you want to go, And I'm like, I told him the spot I wanted. I told Clay the same thing, said, I just you know, it's an old stand by spot. River killed her first bear there, Shepherd killed Shephard killed his

first bear there. I know, James just killed three bears there. But but all of that, you know, had shooter. Bears are gone. It's not during just not during the day. So me and Isaac rolling there. So okay, Isaac was there because Isaac we filmed this whole thing. Dan, even though you weren't there, you'd be able to feel like you were there. Yeah, because if you have five fingers on the hand, you would have been the six fingers

if I had six six. That's so Isaac was there because he was he was helping film he and Dave Gardner for a film that's gonna come out for the Meat Eat YouTube channel at some point in the future. So Isaac was filming. That's why Isaac was there. Carry on, It started off great, man, we get we just said we're gonna go. That's where we're gonna go. So you guys have gone to a different spot, and they left earlier. I stayed back. They get help sheep get to his spot,

help miss to get to their spot. Your you missed, we missed the whole day. He's telling his bear camp. Okay, this is okay. And my youngest son came in, so James, Brent play, Isaac Dave Gardner, and then Misty and Shepherd came. And then on that first Friday night, my mom and dad came. Ju was there, Gary was there. We so

we had a big shindig. Everybody everybody drinking wed coffee twenty four hours a day when we're at Gerald made gallon barrel and sit it right on the pot, right on the fire, so there was there was coffee enough for everybody. It was it that may have been an exaggeration. We would come in at like midnight and he'd be like, I put the coffee on, coffee is hot, still made it fresh from about eleven. Yeah it was good. Good

stut we'd hit it hard. Yeah, So okay, So that was the first night, which was kind of like everybody came in and so we're standing at a place. We're not camping, we're staying at a cabin. So then what happened the next day Brent, okay, so you can tell about your hunting now. Now here we go. So we get everybody sit on the stand, Isaac can I do? And then we take off for our spot. I gets it's like nine miles as a crow fly us from

where we are. But you know, and when you go on the mountains in the mountains, yeah, fourteen back and forth and left and right and all that kind of stuff. And we get almost there and I look very frantically in the back seat of the truck, and now I look back at Isaing and I think, man, we gotta go back to the camp because I forgot my bow. So he's like, it's gonna be a problem. I like, if we don't go back and get it, it's gonna be a real big problem. It turns out he was right.

So we go back. We go all way back to camp, get it. We'll get on the stand, which we were are target time to get there was three. We were in our late we got there for delay. We were set at I think four twelve. We were set. Hey, you had the cameras everything set up ready to roll. I told him, I said, man, I know you haven't ever said on one of these bear baits, I said, but you know, you talk about the golden hour of deer hunt. I said, we're going to have the golden

fifteen minutes if we're lucky before dark. You know that's it's just the way it is. They're gonna come in. We may see him out there, we may hear him, but they're gonna hang around. And you know it dark, especially we've got no daylight pictures. Five minutes to six, I'll look over to my left, and short enough, here comes a bear. And I miked up. I tell, I tell Eliazac, you know here you can I see a bear coming. And and we hadn't had a daylight picture there in a long time, and over a week, so

it's yes, like what are you doing here? Yeah? Exactly, you know. I was more, did you ever think about just shooting it off? That thought never entered my mind? You're in the wrong place, Yeah, you're you're early. But anyway, good bear walks up, good shooter bear and walks behind and and he's behind the barrel and and and looks directly up there at us, and I thought, well, this is it. So but I had already come to full draw.

Bear takes a turn, I watched the video. You you about jerked the back out of that bow when you hit your when you hit your your when I when I pulled back, when when I were trying to pull it back while the bears right. So you're just like as soon as as soon as I as I disappeared, I pulled it back. So when he come out and he's looking at me, I got it right between his eyes. I thought, you know you're gonna one way or the other if I get a shot, you know, I'm I'm ready.

And they did. He did that old thing you know where they just kind of start doing to move slow and all of a sudden they just they're gone. But when he turned to the left, back to the left, or the bear turned back to the left, and I had a good quarter and shot. I turned to loose. I saw it come out the front and two or

three jumps and just we watched him walk away. Yeah, that was what was odd, is suston spar It's what seems to be like a tin ring shot and the bear text a couple of leaps and then just start just walks off, which is not I wouldn't say that's common. No, it was nothing. The other two bears that I've shot, like that that I've taken. When I shot him, man, there it was like that you lit a fuse. They were gone and and both of them died within gosh, forty yards. I guess where I was at this. We're

going backwards here. But the first bear you killed, I was with you, and it ran like a racehorse about twenty yards, tumbled down a very steep hill and splashed into a creek. Do you remember that? Oh? Yeah, I was there absolutely vividly. The next year, which or the next bear I killed, which was last year, that bear was standing in the same tracks and ran the same place but got hung up. But they were both dead once they hit the edge of the woods, this one.

And I felt good about the shot. I mean, it surprised me when it went off. It was the hair I was looking at. That knock covered it up. When it went through. The bear took four or five good jumps, so way I remember it. I hadn't seen the footage. And then he just walked off and I just turned out looking Isaac. You know, no, no, no, no, no no. You stared at that bear for twenty minutes. Yeah, probably need to tell the rest of this because I had

no sense. I felt like an eternity. You just watched where that bear disappeared for like probably three and a half minutes. Yeah, I mean there's a lot that went on. Hours later we come back because y'all had to come back to camp. We came all the way off from where we got back to camp. We got a problem where we're at no very little cell coverage. So like, somebody does something, you gotta go talk to him. You

gotta do it old school. Well, actually the thing is Clay was going to invite you, but we got down there next year six fingers, and so we go track this bear. Who wants a six finger nobody apparently, So we go track this bear and the bear starts running up a hill and that's that. That's where we left it off. Yeah, they attracted a little bit. The bear ran probably fifteen yards up a very steep hill, which when when I got on the blood trail, I was like, man,

that's not a good sign. But it immediately turned back down and the bear only went how far A hundred yards? No, he didn't go that far. I'd say about eighty yards from a straight line. Yeah. Yeah, And so man, the first first day of bear season, we got a really

nice bear on the ground. I would say, if I was just being totally honest, wasn't If you weren't here and someone said, Clay, tell me really how much Brent bear Wade, I would say to seventy, so, I mean, that's a heck of a It was seventy extremely, extremely I've never seen anything like it. If Brent were here, though.

The whole article on this one time about the reality of bear weights functionally inside a bear camp, because when you're when a bear is there in the back of the truck and the guy you know, you're you're in the heat of the mole. I mean, you're pumped. This is what you wait all year for. And your good buddy has killed this bear, and he goes, man, how much you think that thing weighs? I gay wrong to you. You're gonna add thirty five to forty pounds. You're not

gonna do the math in your head. You're not gonna calculate it, but you're gonna say a number that's instinctively bigger than it actually is. I've only killed one bear, and I think they told me it was to five. But if you're telling me that one maybe I want to actually this is a different type of bear. Yeah. Yeah. Bear wits are house very very commonly overestimated by minimum. They're hard, they're hard, they're very hard to judge. And we've weighed enough of them now that you know, we

kind of get a feel. But sometimes you can't wait like we did. We weren't able to weigh your bear, and then the bear the next day that I would kill. I hate to spill the beans that quickly kill the bear the next day, and uh, I would have it was. I estimated my bear to weigh three hundred plus or minus twenty pounds. That was what I was what I well, that was that was just clay by himself, not in front of the truck. So his calculation. If I had asked Brent, Brent would have said, all that bear ways

three fifty. Well, Brent, I saw both bears. No, you wouldn't have seen my No, you did not bear camps, bear camp all. Misty cares about his bear fat literally right, bear fat and and other things and meat. Yeah, I went through. Misty was mad at me last year. I was has there been a year where she hasn't been I'm just saying, last year Clay took a lot of people we won't call names hunting definitely not man, we start tell me about that year he was getting snippy.

Let's start the podcast by making fun of his outfit and the only talk about things he wasn't everything's fine, everything's fine, fine, And so he didn't. You know, other people got the meat and they got the grease. And I mean we had a lot of time to cook last year. I had both girls home and we wanted to do and it was no bacon and home. No, I didn't bring home the bacon. He did not, not

literally figurus, it was a good year. And then he goes hunting in the spring and that bear had I mean he took a picture of them holding up the little tiny sliver of fat that yeah, I mean it was there was nothing on it. So I've been killed that I was in on this spring which I didn't pull the tree literally, I took a video of the amount of fact we pulled off of that bear, very small amount of You know, a spring bear up in

Montana is not going to have that much fat. A lot of the bears are going keto now, yes they do. Up there. A lot of proaches. You're still miss an important part of that of that day, of that kill of my bear. What's that between Isaac, Dave, you and me? Millions of views millions literally millions of views video and photo between the four whelds, and we didn't take one picture to me with my bear. You had two professional photographers and one photographer, and we didn't get a single

picture of your bear. You should have had one more person, Daniel, will you be my take my phone? It's it's overlooked. Yeah, you know, I want to have a great video. Though. I never thought about it until you said, Hey, we didn't take any picture, I mean your bear. We had skimmed it. It was in an ice chest, and I was like, didn't you picture? We actually did it hard. I think that's a part of the story that's very,

I mean, incredibly valuable. I did not know where we hunted had a drop off box, like you know, you go in the nineties, you would you would drop off your your video Blockbuster. Yeah, exactly exactly, and you leave in the overnight drop box. You go the post office today and you've got a letter you want to mail off, you put it where we were. They have an overnight bare box a cooler that you just drop your stuff off. Kind of crazy. I was go get it tomorrow. A

matter of fact, we had great. We had a great Bearca was great and uh, Isaac, what hey, real quick? What was your perception of the whole thing. You've never been to our camp or anything? Oh incredible. Uh the hunting was great. Saturday, Britt got a bear. Sunday, you got a bear Monday. Monday. You gotta tell that story. An him on. I thought about bringing him on, but yeah, I'll tell you. Wait, wait, wait, the most manly person in bear camp wasn't in bear camp and was Clay's

fifteen year old time. Every what he did was every everyone was just like incredible. So four years ago we bear Nukem was in line to start bear hunting. You know, River killed a bear first and bear was in line to bear hunt. And we hunt over bait. We love hunting over bait. That's the way we hunt. I could

tell you you know. The other way that I love to hunt, which I love even more than hunting over bait, is hunting him in national forest like deer, which is I believe the toughest hunt around, toughest hunt I know of in this part of the country, just because the low bear densities, the wide geographic home range that bears have. I mean, you can walk around the woods for years and not see a bear in good bear country. It's tough.

And so I saw some fire in Bear's eyes when he was about ten eleven years old, and I just said, Bear, you ought to You got to think about this, and I knew it had to be his decision. I wasn't gonna mandate this, but I planted in his mind the idea of not killing a bear overbait and killing the one in the national forest, which I knew was gonna be very hard, and mainly because his brother and sisters were killing bear and kind of getting attention for it

and whatnot. But Bear like the idea of it, and he said, yeah, that's what I want to do Dad. And he had he had a moment of weakness one day when he was I think twelve, and James Lawrence didn't know that we had this little deal going, and I was gone, and James said, hey, Bear, why don't you come hunting with me? And so Bear was like okay, And so Bear took his bowl and actually actually clipped a bear, so he shot at a bear over bait

out there, but we never found it. And then Bear came back and was and I mean it was totally fine, but he was like, hey, Dad, I'm not I'm not gonna hunt over bait again. And he just didn't have the tack at that age to be like Mr James, No, actually I don't hunt over I'm not gonna do that. So yeah, so, but so for the last several years we've hunted in National Forest and tried to get him a bear. And years ago, years ago, I said, Bear,

And this was before we made this deal. I told Bear, I said, one day, I'm gonna drop you off and I'm gonna give you a pack and some freeze dried meals and i'm gonna send you off and i'm gonna pick you up three days later and let you camp all by yourself. And this is when he was just a little boy, and I remember his eyes lightening up and just thinking how cool that would be. And that's

what we did this year. It was time, you know, back in the summer, I said, Bear, you need to hunt the first three days of season and and so we're having this big bear camp which our bear camp is just a ton of fun. I mean we eat great food, we sit around the fire. I mean it's a lot of work. We were baiting bears. Yeah, we had lots of fruit bars and different things. We we Uh, it's camaraderie, it's fun. We don't hunt the mornings pretty much,

just hunt the evening. So you know we're sleeping in a little bit in the morning, sitting around drinking coffee, just having a good time. Well, the night before season, all of us drive over and dump Bear out in the woods and he's got his pack and his bow, and he's got a he's got a tethered tree saddle which is a way for him to get up in a tree, had some sticks, and he's got an in reach and parts of his hunt he'll be in cell range.

And so the whole weekend we're just like we're back living in luxury and bar nuclems out you know, roughing it out in the out in the woods by himself. And um, it was so cool because the whole I mean, there wasn't probably a five hour stretch of time when somebody didn't say something about bear being out there. You know, what did anybody get an update, is in bad hurting thing? Is he seen anything? Well, on the second day, he saw a soal with cubs, which was a big deal.

He you know, he messaged me, Dan, I just saw a south cubs and you can't you can't shoot a sou with cubs. And it was within eight yards of him, just walked right under him, and so big win. Like I thought, there's our win. And he is not just hunting. He he had a game plan. What he did is he he hunted out from his camp for the first two hours the morning and still hunting, just moving along,

slipping in through the wind. And then by ten o'clock he would be hunting in his tree stand, which was over bear sign, which where we knew some bears were moving through on natural food essentially okay, And he said in that stand from ten am till six am for three days, eight hours hanging in that saddle and ten

am to six pm, so eight hours. And um, he on the second day he saw bears and and there's a Dave Gardner took a photo of my phone because Dave and I were hunting when I messaged Bear and said, hey, we'll come get you tonight. This is on day two. So he's been out there now two full nights and three days. The way it worked out, parts of three days. And I said, hey, if you want to come to bear camp, we'll come pick you up tonight. Meet us,

meet us, you know, down the road. And I kind of I was trying to give him my way out and I didn't want him just to be and he said, I've got the message. He said, nope, no staying. I got to kill a bear. So he stayed. And the next day we had already killed bears. We were rendering bear fat. We had no more than filled the last jar of bear fat, the last we're working on the last batch of bear grease. And I see the little green button beeping on my inn. Reach. We had sort

of mentally like, all right, finished the bear grease. We're gonna go get some shots for the film, get a sunset shot, whatever. Like we were winding back to civilization. Green light on the end, Reach, green light on the end. Reach. I go to it and it just says I killed a bear, and we just flipped out. We really did. It was probably I can't ever remember personally being more expressive. Just I mean, we just like I was just like man your eyes like cartoon eyeballs messaged him back and

I said, we're on our way. It took us three hours to get to him. By the time we got there, and me and Dave and and Uh and Isaac went up to him. Brent went and got Ice with my dad cat here. So Shephard and I had left Bear camp. We were trying to get home before dark because we

weren't staying over right. And so as soon as I get into cell range, my phone's going off because Bear we have a family text thread, and Bear send a message to the text thread, and so his sisters were the only ones in cell range, but they were in different states, and so they he they're all talking, and I see the conversation, and I see all the you know, the newcom thread is popping up, and so Shepherd and I look and I pull over and there's a construction

area and I pull over. And I was afraid they were going to go be in the out of cell range all night long and not see not see the message, because it is sometimes difficult to get those in reach messages, and and especially where we're at because there's a real thick campy. So I turned my car around and I told Shepherd later on, I have no recollection of going through the construction zone. I don't know how. And Shepherd said,

you did. You were safe, he said, but I I it was orange and so we But it was real sweet because the girls are bear it's not probably the most expressive of the newcombs. And they were taking pictures of him on FaceTime and because his face was like glowing, I mean, it was really sweet, and they he had to skin the bear by himself, and they he didn't

know how to turn taken up. Oddly, where the bear ran, he had like better sell coverage than we have right here where he was hunting, he did not as well. But when it went anyway, so he facetimed his sister and she she was able to get a picture of the bear before he skinned it via FaceTime. It was pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah, so that was neat and we went and got him. And then when when he came off the mountain, there was a whole crew of people waiting my dad and mom and um who else misty ship.

Yeah yeah, and anyway, they had drinks for him and food and it was a big deal. It was awesome, My man, he slept on the ground no pad, which was just rocks. It looked like grass until you laid down, and then his pillow was a stuff sack full of grass. He ate one free stride meal a day. Is that what he said? And he said, and Dave, I think, asked him like, did you get scared? He's like, well, there's this time when I was eating dinner, skunk came along.

I thought, that thing's praised me. My hunt's over. It's like, that's that's because ye skunk. Yeah, you know that title for that hunt it should be Brave Heart. Oh yeah, really, you know, it really shows a lot of bravery and dedication to a plan, which is unusual. Yeah. No, I was really proud of him. Yeah, anybody everybody was still am well speaking of one of the best hunters, speaking of the topics at hand, Warner Glenn and who who Mike? You listen to the podcast? What do you think you

were there? I was there. It really brought back memories and just feelings I had when I was there. I thought it was extremely well crafted and put together and condensed because it covered you know, we were there a total of maybe a day. We were there a short time or time, lots of we gathered probably three four hours ago audio. A lot of stuff happened, and they're very busy people running that ranch. They were extremely gracious with how much time they gave and uh, and it

happened quick. It was. The podcast is excellent and the feedback that I've had from my friends and from especially Ja Dussard, who is in the podcast, Jake said quote it was fabulous and he's known Warner for over sixty years. Yeah, I always like it. I'm trying to make a point when I interviewed some of these older people to ask him where they were when John F. Kennedy died, Because do you remember the other guy, Britt Davis, who's ninety

in the Appalachian Mountain podcast. I asked about where he was because it's it really is. It's kind of like just a sampling of time. And Mr Britt was driving a road greater. Really, Yeah, he was driving a road greater. And you know what, he worked most of his life. I mean, that's what he did. Mr Warner, Glen, you asked him where he was at when John F. Kennedy died. He was on a mule hunting lions in the desert and that's what he has done a lot of his life.

What was so unique is that Jay Dussard had the skull and it just didn't pencil. It said November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. And then I said Jay had an impact you when Jeff k died. He said, well, it mainly just reminded me that I voted. What do you think? Dan?

You know, I think for some reason one of the things that sticks out to me is when his daughter was just talking about the way that she almost like intergenerationally, the way she kind of shows him respect and like she said, I asked him questions that I know the answer to, and I just I mean, I want a rare kind of glimpse into their family dynamic and how they treat one another and respect and and honestly, after

the podcast, I called my mom. I thought, I want to I want to interact like that, and I want to. I just really I really enjoyed kind of the intergeneration. And then the other thing that really got to me um was when she she was there, they're both talking about the one dog that's older, Hook, Hook, and when she was describing Hook and that was like a metaphor for her dad and kind of watching him do the end of his life but continue to model and be

a type that everyone can something that was fantastic. Yeah, the way she described it when she said quietly going on that was that you could have I don't know if that whole podcast or that man the image I had of him after listening to that, if that wasn't the most fitting description of the stuff that he does and what he represents out there quietly going only, it was really powerful for me to listen to that. What

did you think? Well, it was just it reminded me of a lot of people that you know, my grandfather and you know people that I've known and and read about and heard about. You referenced Daniel Boone in that thing. A lot of that stuff came came back in my head about how he was, how humble Mr Glenn is and you know, to him the stuff that he was doing like Boone, it was I'm not doing this for glory or if this is just something needs to be done,

and this this is what I do. This is where I am in my life, and this is the things that I do to take care of my family and myself, and this is I just go do him. They just happened to be hard. You know. There's so many things that I wanted to talk about about him. First of all, I and I think I can say this and be safe in that because I don't want it to sound negative. I expected Warner Glenn to be And when I say a proud man, I don't mean that negatively. I've never

spoken to the man, you know. I dealt with Kelly the whole time, like like setting this up, you know, and I knew Warner had a ton of character. I mean like he was the guy, the kind of guy wanted to learn who he was. And the biggest thing Mike and I've discussed this in great detail, and Misty two, I've talked to Missy about it. What I was most impacted about, and it was very real to me, was his humility. It was the dominant feature of who he was.

And it wasn't just a personality trait. It wasn't just niceties, it wasn't hospitality. It was a deep, genuine humility. That is it can't be fabricated. And I'm telling you, I what I said at the end of that podcast, I meant in that sometimes we as men and me I was talking about me at at the age I am at. I feel like there's this pressure from the world to be bold and confident. I think I have mistaken that at times to be the dominant feature of what my life is supposed to be. And and just what I

saw and and man, sometimes stuff is just revelational. And by that I mean you see something and you cannot explain why it changes you, but it does. You walk out of it and you're different than you were before. Really, I We're pulling out of Warren Lends Driveway and Mike and I had this conversation and I said, I now, I said, I could have told you this before, I

could have spoken these words in this order. But I said, I see how boldness and confidence are the foundation of it is deep humility and others nous and servant, servant focused, which I mean maybe, I mean that's what I saw inside of Mr Warner. And and because I expected kind of a John Wayne kind of guy, and he he did stuff that John Wayne would have, you know, fell out of his horse if he'd done I mean, you know, I mean Mr Warner really and yeah, hadn't even heard

the most of it. I mean, and a lot of stuff in his book he talks about, I mean just wild stuff. I mean, like he he is really a modern They can make a movie about him. I mean he's tracked his his neighbor was murdered by an illegal immigrant that came across the border, and Warner Glenn tracked that man down on a horse until the dude went over the border and they and they couldn't, they couldn't

pursue any longer. Warner, you know, roping mountain lions. Warner, you know, uh, wait till you hear the podcast number two when you're gonna hear when he got into a fist fight with uh somebody, I'm not gonna tell you who it was until the podcast, but changed his life, it really did. And then he became this diplomat. He was in his forties, kind of the peak of when a man. I think, in in his forties a man,

he's not an adolescent, he's not an old man. And it's like, you can really screw stuff up in the in your forties. I think, looking at me, the six finger, you know, you guess when you can fix him? Well, that's right, I mean, thank you, Brent. Just it feels like when you're in your forties, your world is starting to formulate, you know, like you gained confidence, your careers developed you. You you have decades of potential accolades that

have built into your life. It makes sense that he would have done what he did and then, but it shifted him and changed him anyway. I look at the thing behind the thing I do. That's just the way we do. Just as you were talking about this, Clay, I'm thinking something kind of a new thought here. That's that I see. You know, his dad was Marvin, and Marvin became very well known, very famous in the Southwest, and oftentimes when you have a famous father, you oftentimes

have issues with the sons. And I didn't sense that at all in that family or inside of Warner at all. He he Warner had also become let's let's say famous, and yet you could see that had never touched his life. His the amount of accolades or the amount of tention he had had in his life was really It's like it was deflected off of him. He just he never he never got to mind by that. He just did what he was supposed to do and kept doing it and enjoying his life and making sure his family was secure,

and uh, he didn't. He didn't run after that fame, which I think is pretty common in a second son underneath the famous father, they want to cut out their own territory. And you didn't see that with Warner at all. You know, there's been a fair bit of press given to Warner Glenn over there, like this book, Like he didn't write a book about himself, somebody else wrote the book about him. Um that I picked up a book. I'm reading a book right now that references Warner Glenn.

It's about jaguars, which you'll hear in a later podcast I'm gonna do. But what I saw two was a man who he didn't ask for me to come to his house. I saught him out like he he does not seek attention. But he was very, very hospitable, and I mean he didn't Warner Glenn didn't know who met Eater was. I mean, it wasn't like we got some kind of special treatment because because I mean, he never heard of you know what I'm saying. And uh, and they treated us like kings, they really did. And I

admired that. But Misty, what did you think? Some of what I thought has already been already been said, so I'll just elaborate a little tell me a favorite part because they ask the question, Yeah, let me ask you a question. I'm just thinking about what you just said about him when he was in his forties. Uh, is that when the incident that you're gonna talk about in the next podcast happened. That's just super interesting to me because you could see how Yeah, no spoiler alerts here,

but let's just build some suspense. Everyone should listen to the next podcast. It's going to be really good. I thought when Kelly talked at the end, it was it was very good, and I thought there was a real sense of mutual honor. You could see it in her. You could, I mean, she was the one talking and what she was sharing was really good. You could also see it in him. And I think that it's sometimes hard as you as you age, to release you know, ownership of things to your to your kids in these

multigenerational families. And what I thought was really I just thought the whole family dynamic was very unique, and there was a culture of honor, there was a culture of humility, and I felt that when you came back, I think that would be my biggest takeaway from the whole podcast is how you were when you came back and I could tell that it had really impacted you, and when you started talking to me just over coffee about the

impact of of interacting with this guy. And then to hear Kelly describe them the way she described him, and to hear how she how he gave, you know, basically gave the is giving the business over to her, and

there's a real level of partnership. And I thought, as a parent, that's something that as we age and as our kids are only just barely dipping their toe into like their early years and their dreams and their visions, and there's no family business here, you know, there's no it's not like we're passing down to business, but just a lifestyle and and and in a in a transition moment right now where our kids are doing some real exciting things, and um, I want to I want to

be able to to interface with my kids with that same level of honor and no sense of uh, just a sense of respect and a sense of humility. And I would want to pass that on to them for them to pass on to their kids. And I was really just really moved by the intergenerational dynamics, they're going both ways, Kelly to him and him to her. And like you said, Mike, what Marvin must have passed to them for him to be able to do and other stories that Clay said has had told me that will

make it on the podcast next week. Um, talk a little bit about Marvin and and I thought you could just see there was there was something at the head, and I thought it was an aspirational place for parents to stand. Yeah, before I forget about it. If you want to get Warren Glenn's book, you can buy it from W Hunting Supply Buddy Woodbury and our buddies at W you can order from there. D it's actually D you supply dot com like D as in the letter, D you supply dot Com? Isaac, what did you think?

I haven't give give me a You can't okay, you can't say well, I just want a piggyback off with everybody else, said, I absolutely in an agreement. I've got two thoughts. I've got two thoughts. One do you intend to shorten his first name? As well? To just warn you're talking about a lot a lot of parallels, Dan Boone and uh No, Okay, so this isn't as profound or anything like that. But when she was talking about getting bitten by a lion, I was attacked by dogs

three years ago. Rottweiler's in a in a bad way. There were three of them and I had I had forty eight punctures one and no way, are you serious? Yeah? I got a big hope you weren't wearing those crocs. I wasn't. But I was riding my bike with my daughter. Well as I was riding my bike with my daughter in the trailer. It was crazy. But speaking of that, I was wearing shoes and I kicked that dog in the head as hard as I could and it did nothing.

I have never felt down the road. Yeah, just in town. Yeah, I played soccer, growing feel pretty good. It was the most impotent I've ever felt in my life, just like I have no power in this situation. And knowing that, and then thinking about their situation, which is a mountain lion, which is a heck of a lot bigger than a rottweiler. It's like I just made made the experience emotional of listening to like Warner coming in and beating up the thing. And keep in mind this was what how many years

ago the lion by? It was actually by it was more recently. So how old is he? Oh, Warner would have been eighty something when he she gets bit and hes in and starts punching, and I'm thinking it's not a spring chicken anyway. All of that was pretty pretty Uh some have six fingers. Hey, I'll tell you. One thing that stood out was when he talked about how they rope those mountain lions and put them in zoos.

I had somebody, right me, I don't know who it was, somebody on Instagram say that they thought it was really unique that he was able to look back on that and say, hey, it was probably a mistake. We wouldn't do that today. Yeah, and him just kind of be okay with that, contextualizing it. Yeah, I've learned rare muscle

inside of someone, I mean anybody. I mean, like, because you you look back on stuff and most of the time you just wouldn't I mean, if there if you didn't have a problem with it, then you wouldn't have a problem with it. Now, that's not a good way to describe it. But I love both sides of it because he has the cognizance to say, like, hey, that was wrong. It's probably one of the worst things you

could do. Wouldn't do that again, and then the commenter to ignore ledge that that is remorse and not try and shut him down for I like, I remember that section, and it seemed that he really identified with the mountain lion. You know, he said, it's a wild thing made for wild places, and I wouldn't like it if you put me in a in a pen or an enclosure. And so clearly as he as he goes after these animals and hunts some that he's got a high of course

he's got a high level of respect. It's not you know, but he's actually identifying with them, which is what gives him empathy. And I was very happy to bring to attention that it was a Disney movie that that was on. I noticed that for real, because they would they would some of these companies would love to just string Hunters up and just say look at these hillbilly, redneck, irrelevant barbarians.

And it's like, hey, you guys were the ones making movies back to the second about rope with lions, paying our boys to go do it. I mean, they these are the creators of Baby. Yeah, yeah, I was saying the coming episodes, I think it will expand even an understanding of Warner in the family and what's going on in that region also, which again I look forward to hearing that again because they're more than just a ranching family, and they're more than just a hunting family. There's more

to to their their legacy than that. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of hard talking about Warner without being able to talk about everything. But I want to wait just because of that second podcast, Hey, what did you guys think about the part about him running into the all the drug dealers what he called drug mules on his land. He was worried that you left it in there. I was worried for well, what if they hear it and

find out that he called after he left? Everybody calls wait wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, waits a drug there's a there's a that's exactly drug mule. Who's listening to the Bargaras podcast. I was cooking, and uh, and then and I heard that, and I thought that, and then I thought, wait that they would have to to Bargary's probably good. I am very certain that we have a large demographic of I was gonna say, you know, justraphic

is wide. Let me say that. Listen to Bargary's I thought it was a very pragmatic approach to uh solving the issue. How do you boys, We'll see you later. I couldn't, you know what. It's interesting interview and somebody like Warner, he is so practical, Like he was always kind of in a hurry to tell his story, even

though he's a great storyteller. But I found him. And part of it was because when we were there, they didn't change their life too much for us, Like they still had to do all the things they had to do. So when we got there, he was like, well, we're gonna go. Remember when I got there, we went to some well five miles away, like they had worked to do. Well, we gotta take the dogs out. He didn't do that

just because I was there. And so when we sat down for the interview, that was the only part of the time that really wasn't like on the schedule and so like he kind of moved fast. But I wanted him to tell some specific stories that we didn't get to. But in the book there's a story of him and Kelly coming around the canyon coming around this trail and he says, there's two two guys sitting on a bale of drugs, bales of drugs in the trail, and they

just surprised each other. And you just can see warrener just like nonchalant, not acting surprised. He didn't like turn and run with his mule. He just was. He just said he greeted him in Spanish and he said, are those drugs? This is in the book. He he just I think it was he just knew he had to get the elephant, you know, the elephant in the room. Pointed out. They stopped and bule they're ten ft apart or whatever, and he says those drugs, and he said

they just shook their head yes. And he just said, well, we're lying hunting. I guess we'll just go on. And he went past him, went around him, and went on and they get out of sight, and then he's kind of like, holy cow. That was why he turns to Kelly, and Kelly says, did you see the other eight guys in the bushes? So there were two on the trail and Warner never saw the other. I'm pretty sure it was eight, that it may have been six, and two to make eight, or or it may have been two

and eight. So there was this puddle in the road and there were tracks that there were no tracks. Okay, we're gonna get into another one of these, but it wasn't like no. But that may have saved his life just being so nonchalant and praga addic about it, and you know, he just he he just anywhere he goes, he just kind of set the room at ease, you know, just kind of got some drugs there and they're like, yep. I appreciated the response of the drug dealers. They were

just like this is coffee stand up drug dealers. You know, none of their words kind oh man. You can read this book and learn more about it. But I love the mule part him talking about mules. You know, I meant what I said to like, if you hear me talking good about mules, that means very little. When you hear Warner Glenn talk about mules, he's not. I mean, it's funny. I meant it very much what I said when I joked about Instagram. It's like, uh, w warn

Glen is not trying to impress anybody. He just wants to stay alive and he rides a mule. It was pretty cool hearing him talk about that. Um, he really loves those animals and really takes really really good care of Also, what's what's so wild about being down there on the border. You drive like ten or fifteen miles of dirt roads to get to basically Warners Driveway, which goes into the ranch, which it's a huge ranch. Like

he called himself a small time Arizona cattle farmer. I don't know how big their ranches, but we're talking tens of thousands of acres. Yeah, we're talking about like you know, and they're small, small time ranchers. And the whole time you're driving in there, you're driving east and directly to the south is a huge metal wall, brand new. It was. It was pretty wild. We took pictures over by the

wall and looked it over. The wild thing is is that there were there's creeks that creeks and rivers that have to flow from Arizona into Mexico. They just have floodgates that are open, welded open, and so so when we were there, Kelly was just like, yeah, it's it's a great wall. They just come through the holes where the Greeks go through. We were pulling into Warner Glenn's driveway and we meet three Border Patrol trucks coming out and Kelly's in front of us and we're following her.

I made mention of this, and Kelly gets out and talks to the Border patrol, and the Border patrol drive past us, and you know they're driving past you kind of looking in there. What just kind of what's going on? Anyway, They picked up six people like within a half mile of their house that day, and they didn't think a thing about it. Like Kelly was just like, yeah, I said, what's going on and she said, oh, it was just the Border Patrol. They just picked up some people over here.

And Uh, it's just interesting, just just it's just part of life down there. You know. It just changes in that dynamic of your life big time. And like I said, his his neighbor was is murdered. That is crazy, but that happened and that's their life. And yeah, you know, for for me in Arkansas, it's a it's a headline, or it's a news article, or it's something people argue about one way or the other. That's their life, you know.

What felt Warner Glenn was classy enough, Warner Glenn, and then they have opinions about stuff, just like anybody would. You never Warner never said a derogatory word about the situation. He never did about the immigration situation. He he The only things that he said to me was he was very concerned about it being a wildlife migration inhibitor because they they want lines and jaguars coming across that border and they can't get across that. They can't get across

that wall. And that was his That was the one thing he opened up to me about. He said, yeah, we're we're worried about it as far as migrations of

animals because they're they're in this wilderness truly. I mean, there's cattle, there's a few people, but I mean, you know, pretty much a wilderness, and they they their life is revolved around hunting these lions and stuff, which doesn't I just appreciated that because what you would have expected inside of a polarized world is people down there to be this or that, and he men. Actually what I saw inside of him was some some empathy for them as people.

But at the same time, they're they're will turn people in when they say I mean, they're just they they understand the law of the land, but they also I felt like, had some empathy towards the human aspects of it. I think that fits with the other things that we've

learned about Warner Glinn, that he's like an iceberg. And I'm sure there's thoughts, I'm sure there's opinions, but it really does say a lot about a man who can just you don't have to see all that Well, you've got nine tents that that's covered, and you've got one tenth that people can see. And I think it says a lot about a person's integrity to just kind of

be who you are. And I just thought it was very telling when when asked about the wall, that his opinion of the wall was that there used to be an eight strand barbed wire fence there with t posts every twelve feet apart, and it was a good fence. But then you know, it's an old fence and it needed keeping up. And that was pretty much it was. I think about the wall, because like, it's pretty good fence,

back strand barbed wire. Oh man, let's talk about this structural well and then he and then he told me he told me they put a during the during the early two thousand's, they put up a vehicle barrier, which is like a big metal drift type fence that's low like animals could go through it. And he said they would just build ramps and ramp over it. And then I think the new wall is like it's thirty ft tall, uh,

six by six posts in deep concrete. The six bus six posts probably are four to five to six inches apart. They four like this, probably four. So envision a six by six square tube that goes thirty ft straight up in the air, and then there's another one four inches. Only the skinniest of lines can get through. Yeah. I think what hit me was you said, whatever you look at,

whatever the angle there, there's only one Warner Glenn. Yeah, you know, and I think like as even his daughter was talking and he's getting older and you know, and he said about that dog that's gonna pass, maybe this will be our last winner together. I was I was doing I was doing the dishes, and usually I listened to your podcast when I'm doing the dishes, and like immediately it kind of I got a little lump in my throat. One am I And obviously I don't know

this man, but I think that's a rare man. And when the world loses a man like that, it loses something of great value. And there's just not too many people who can be in and live in a very complex sitch suation. We're talking about immigration, we're talking about conserving wildlife, we're talking about an intergenerational family and business and his granddaughter and how did the sixth generation, how do they do that with her and do that well?

And all these things. He's the same man and he does it well and everyone is blessed because of it, and when he passes it will be a loss. Yeah, yeah, Daniel, I think you hit it right on the head because I think that's what I know. I felt, and I'm pretty sure Clay did. It was like he's like a gem that you don't want to lose, and it's that's

just life. But and the simplicity of his life, how he's able to to maneuver himself, his family inside a very complex world that who would have most people chasing their tails and a lot of turmoil and that type

of thing chaos inside of the family. You don't feel that with that, there's a there's a there's been a foundation built in that family that while all this stuff is going on around him, they know who they are and they know what they're called to do on that ranch and how they're supposed to live, and um, it's given a lot of stability. Well, I look forward to to telling more Kelly's story. She I said it. We could have made a Burgary podcast just about Kelly for real.

She's a neat, neat lady in in a veteran dry ground line. We didn't even talked about lion hunting. I mean the whole, the whole aspect of being a dry ground lion hunter is pretty amazing. And that's what the next a lot of the next podcast is gonna be about, because that is one of those things that unless you understand it, you have no context of why that is special. And so if if you if you value North American hunting, you need to know what dry ground lion hunting is

super super unique, super difficult. Pretty much you got to dedicate your life to it to be good at it. And Warner Glenn is known as, and we use this phrase, one of the best in the world. You know, there's not we're only dry ground lion hunting on this side of the planet for the most part. Um, so you could say best in the country, best in the nation. It's kind of like the NFL being the world champions and it's like, wait a minute, but we didn't play

anybody in Italy? Did I thought? When Warner Clinton said, you know, that was one time when Kelly got hurt, he said in there like that was one time when she got bit by line all right, did you like that segue? Did you think it was funny? When I when he said that was just one of the times she got her I don't want to tell you about the other. And then I said, oh, sounds interested. Kelly's like, did that tell you I got bit by? What? She

didn't tell us too? And I don't know that I'm going to include it just because I mean, it's just a long story. She got like straight up just dang there killed on a mule two years ago. She doesn't even remember what happened. She just was like I was riding the mule and next thing I know, I'm in

the hospital. Like she literally doesn't know what happen. There's so many they were they were catching, basically catching these like rank cattle, like they turned these cattle loose on these big open sections and they have leases, some on public land and some on their land. And they were rounding up cattle and like you know, roping and running through brush and basically she got raked off of a mule,

went over backwards and just blacked out. And uh, I can't remember how they got her out of there in the specifics of the injury, but like she's had some pretty major stuff happened over the years. But you and

him both are so contradictory about how safe these mules are. Okay, I'm glad you said that, because every broken bone in our kids lives with the exception of when this summer that just happened has been on le okay, and that that like really yeah, somebody could say, hey, Clay, you say mules are safe, because Warner says mules are safe, And the next thing, Kelly's getting tore up by mule. The quite animal is inherently dangerous, no matter if it's

a horse or a mule. So these things could like the spooking of the like a mule will spook, a mule will fall over, a mule will hurt you, a mule will kick you. A mule will do everything a horse would do to you, maybe worse, but they're typically safer. And this is where we always in in our family. But you know cars are also dangerous. Yes, that's our argument. Most dangerous thing you did to day was driver here. Yeah, you know what a mule is, no problem. No, hey,

thank you all. Mike, it's been great to have you been to be here. Ye, Isaac, good to have you, Brent, good to have you missed you better call us all out now. Yeah, you're welcome, widely. Moving on. It's our first first time to not have a song. The first time that I have a song might be and I think there's there might be a really good song next week. I think the first couple you didn't have a song, the first the first couple of Riddens, did you maybe Okay,

I don't remember. Since since there's been songs, since since the songs and songs have been song all right, Well, keep the wild place as wild. That's where the bears live down and no