Episode 64: Preppers are strange, but how nutty is TOO nutty?

spk_0:   0:01
Okay. I'm gonna do something here for you people out there and podcast land. Are you ready? I'm gonna lift this big, tall energy drink up to my lips. We go. That was good. This stuff Wicked, delicious. Good. And it helps me wake up. Would you want to know the truth?

spk_1:   0:28
What's the truth? Salty.

spk_0:   0:31
It's not very good for me. It's not very good for me. And you know what? You know what the spice was that I know. It's not very good for me. And you know what?

spk_1:   0:48
You just drinking 12 and it's right next to mine. I might put

spk_0:   0:52
up. I got I got the pink kind. She's got the orange kind today.

spk_1:   0:56
I'm drinking orange juice for breakfast.

spk_0:   0:59
Okay? We don't have any any. There's no tie into any product here. We're not sponsored by anybody. So I'm going to say this is the This is the mine is a monster. Ultra red. I had to read the camp Ultra red, and hers is the orange monster Orange sugar free, both of sugar free and their wicked good. And I do mean both words. They're wicked good. And I wish they had a non captain. A diversion. That was just a taste just like it. Because I would drink that, like all the time they would. I would pay $20 a day worth of stuff tricked us. Is that good? But, you know, the top of my head was for now, I have high blood pressure Problem. It's not really high, is very well controlled, So I can't be drinking this stuff all the time because that would not be good for my blood pressure. Now we have drank it and tested it. We've done a scientific tests, and it really doesn't affect

spk_1:   2:01
No, we didn't. We did a tiny

spk_0:   2:02
cell size test. We did. Okay, we did a one sample test, but it didn't. But I know it's not good for me. So what I wanted to talk about today, in part is dealing with stuff that you know is not necessarily good for you. But you know you're going to do anyway how to deal with it. That's part of what we want to talk about today. So go ahead.

spk_1:   2:25
He went in a different direction than I expected. Why don't you show me where you're heading here?

spk_0:   2:29
I told you. We're headed. That was far ahead. That's That's my old thing. I was gonna give examples when he comes to profit. This is a prepper podcast. Okay, welcome to three B. Y. Podcasts were about being the bulls, bandages and you and part of being you is doing good things and bad things. And so we're talking about here to talk about prepping you. Go ahead and give your thesis. Then let's find it together somehow or other. Okay, we're good at that.

spk_1:   2:52
But I was or or we're gonna have

spk_0:   2:54
two points and then we'll be totally separate. Nobody'll know she's staring at me like being dude. What? No,

spk_1:   3:01
you turn left. Okay, Turn left. What I was thinking we were going with here is being seen as being nutty because you're a proper and to what extent it is. It is not a problem and how to deal with it, to the extent that it's problem.

spk_0:   3:17
Oh, well, okay, so let's deal with those in too. So we're gonna have a bipolar podcast year. Let's go ahead. Deal with yours first. So, uh, okay. A lot of people, a lot of people are really hung up about what other people think about them. Spice and I are not amongst this group. I could really not care. I have to keep this G rated family said something else. I don't give ah flying flip about what anybody else thinks of me except for her period.

spk_1:   3:55
And it's established. I like him. So there's that.

spk_0:   3:58
Yeah, so I mean at work. I want to be thought of as a reasonable co worker simply because that's a necessary part of getting the job done. But other than that, I don't care what anybody else thinks. I don't care if you like me. I don't care if you hate me. I just don't care. But I'm weird. Most people are not like me, and I recognize that,

spk_1:   4:28
and there is a downside to that as well. There is actually to doubt sides that I could think of.

spk_0:   4:33
You don't have any friends.

spk_1:   4:35
I am reminded of ah book. I read where one of the guys was Mr Upright by the book, do everything by their regulation. And when he's talking to his commanding officers, his officer points it out. Yeah, I'm I'm trying to be a great example to the men it's like, but nobody wants to be like you. And if nobody wants to be like you, it kind of defeats the purpose of being a great example. If you are seen as being too far outside the pale. And for those of you not familiar with where the expression came from, Pale stands for Palisade, the wall that surrounded the community. If you are too far outside the community, the people in the community don't want to be like you. And the fact that you're showing a great example on some aspects of your life will be wasted because they don't want to replicate that right. So you have to at least be close enough to the palisade that they can see what you're doing and see the benefits of that and don't mind being associated with it. So that's one drawback. The other drawback is there. If you look historically. Oh, the inquisitions are a great example of this. Was the Inquisition really mostly about taking people's stuff because of the Inquisition? Indicted you and convicted you? The church got to keep your stuff, and and the people who turned you in got to keep a big chunk of your stuff.

spk_0:   6:13
Most people because you don't teach history in school, okay? They really don't mean they pretend to, but they don't. Most people don't really understand what the Inquisition was. It was a a large set. Now there were to be there. There were absolute fanatics, Sure, but there were also people within the church who were very secular, very secular, and they realized that it was all about power. And the more stuff you owned, the more power you had. Even if the church owns that you're the prince of the church, you effectively owned it, you know, And and they want to. They could see the development of the nobility and the king system. And this became a dual power system in a lot of places. And this is the way that the church, because there's you could be the king's favorite. But the church could still take you out as a heretic that everybody knew it. They probably couldn't do the king. But just about anybody else they could take you down and the knowledge that they could take you down and take away your property and lock you up or port you to death. that was power. So you know, and if you are kind of more outside the norm, you're much more likely to have that happen. We've talked about Graiman before. We'll talk about him again, but I'm just

spk_1:   7:46
where I'm going with that is, if you are seen as being outside the group, then it serves as justification for some people who frankly, would want to do it anyway. They will use that as a cover to come and take your stuff. And it's not hard to see how this works from a propping situation if you're known as a proper and people around in short, people are obviously gonna want some of this stuff you've got. If they see you as a member of the community, it is much harder to just five much harder to get away with taking away what you have. If you are seen as being outside the pale and if they can use other people's prejudices, play up your difference and make you seem outside the community more than you are. Then they've got a way to come and take your stuff and people protest a heck of a lot less when they get to keep it. So it's not good to be seen as too far outside the pale.

spk_0:   8:46
So how does this affect us? Well, if you were to look at us all right, now we're We're odd, Okay? We're not your typical North misery residents, frankly, were much higher educated the most. And I don't mean that sounds snobby, but it's not. In fact, it's just true. We have we have degrees that they don't have. We have continuing education that they don't have. Some of us have multiple graduate degrees.

spk_1:   9:18
Well, you know, these exams

spk_0:   9:20
all of us have done, uh, you know, I have a doctorate, but I bought it

spk_1:   9:28
at a Rolling Stone.

spk_0:   9:29
Did I did? Back in the early eighties, I bought it out the back of Rolling Stone magazine. They had this diploma mill thing and I paid, like, 20 bucks and got myself a doctorate. Diplomas. I'm a doctor in history. It's true. But I did buy it. So when when I go to these hoi polloi parties, which I don't. But if I did and somebody I'm a doctor, I don't know why I'm a doctor in history, and at this point in time, she being the loyal wife would probably still shoot my bust. I think it counts if you buy a doctor it out of the back rolling.

spk_1:   10:09
I had to work for mine.

spk_0:   10:15
I did, too. I I had to make that 20 bucks. Okay, well, we'll hire. That was real money back in the eighties.

spk_1:   10:24
Higher. And, yeah, we're not typical in that. We have different education, different kinds of jobs than most of our neighbors. We don't have kids, so that makes it

spk_0:   10:35
a big way. Have a little house. We have a little house, sits on a corner, we keep a grass mowed, we garden, but we garden in the backyard. We have way. Keep our house relatively need. I've got a big four wheel drive Silverado pickup truck with, you know, kind of rusty quarter panels and, uh, cab corners. That's his local, as you can get, you know, And it is a twenty five hundred 3/4 ton and, you know, good. The big white, all letters on the tires. You

spk_1:   11:10
take what counts more, though, when there is a situation in the community that would require pickup trucks would be there with ours.

spk_0:   11:18
We would

spk_1:   11:18
when the local store got flooded, and we needed a bunch of people to help clean it out for everything that ruined. We were down there when we had the emergency Planning Commission. We were there. So we're seen as odd, no doubt. But in ways that really matter, we are also Sena's riel members of the community.

spk_0:   11:37
Right? We do. We? We've been part of the local charity functions for years, you know? And that's just part of being paying your social rent, because you gotta pay your social rent. We've talked about Social right before.

spk_1:   11:49
We don't do that as a prep. We do that as

spk_0:   11:51
because that's just the right thing that we've served on board. We've taught, you know,

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volunteer, volunteer, teach classes of various sorts for people who want to learn random things.

spk_0:   12:05
Yeah, we've thought, uh, I've taught Ah, Free several times. Multiple times photography class. I'm a photographer. And so I teach that way. Did, uh I don't think it would hurt to talk about we did financial peace, university. We help with that because we do mostly believe in what we believe in living that free. Absolutely. We kind of believe in a lot of stuff that Dave Ramsey does, but not all of it. And not always, but we had some people that could use it. So we helped. We helped in our community do that. So, yeah, this is what I'm saying is you were weird, but we're also a part. One thing. We don't do those. We don't stick to our little social clique and don't get out of it.

spk_1:   12:54
Front thing. We don't have one

spk_0:   12:55
way, Don't have one, but I'll give an example. I work for a regional company, and sometimes we have regional meetings and I'll go to the regional meeting and we'll have people from offices all over the state and I mean literally all over the state of Missouri and I'll go there. And I know that the people who run the company would love to have everybody. It always tables that are spread out throughout the conference rooms. They'd love to have everybody sit down and mix right go there and what you see is everybody from one office will sit at one table. Everybody from another office will send it another table to the point where they started assigning people tables because I did not want that they wanted people to interact from the other office. We tend as humans to clump with our own tribe. And even if we may not like some of the people from our office, all that well, I personally like everybody I work with, and I'm not just joking. We've got a pretty good true Um, but even if we don't like that, well, we'd still rather plump with them to sit with a stranger. People like what they know. They dio So you know, when we have Ah, we have Ah, What What's the word? I'm looking for mandatory fund. A mandatory fun. We have the Christmas party or the ah, mandatory fun. I always make it a point to sit with a group of people. I did not sit with the last time because I don't want to. I can see these other people. They long right. I need to see them. I see them, all of them. But on the exception on them and I think my way's better. And when it comes to, how do we translate to prepping? Well, we have talked before about something we call normal normalcy bias and I think a lot of preppers just they just go to where they know the people that believe the same as they will will be. Instead of searching out people with other political persuasions, other thoughts of their ideas, they want to go, let's say, for example, if they're they're of a certain political. But they want to watch the news that is tailored toward their political view. The only watch one news channel, for example, because it agrees with them. And I think it's a big mistake.

spk_1:   15:38
You don't see the diversity that's out there. You don't get new ideas. You're a month is a healthier dog than a pure breed for Drew because it takes its genetic information from a wider variety of sources and it's less likely to double up copies of bad information. It's got some bad information, but it's also got alternative information and it can use the alternative

spk_0:   16:01
information. Okay, this is a perfect example. I have a perfect example. Some friends of mine own a outfitters thing. Basically they go out and they set out birds that have been captive raised, its can't hunt. I'm not a big fan of it, but it's can They set out a bunch of pheasants that have been raised Cage raise, but they will fly. They will,

spk_1:   16:30
Yeah. When the

spk_0:   16:31
dog chases him, they'll fly away. And so they'll go out there and they set up pheasants will set out quail or put up 10 peasants. People pay an enormous amount of money to come do this. And this is what they do on the weekends. My friends, they make good money at it. So they went well a couple weeks ago, where the guys brought his own dog and got out. It was standard poodle And everybody because you look at all these other dogs are all the typical North Missouri type

spk_1:   17:07
Pointers and pointers started dogs.

spk_0:   17:11
They're hunting dogs or bird dogs. You know what? If you're from the cut, maybe if you're a city person, you may not know what a bird dog is. Well, these air bird dogs okay already got bird dogs, and they have a point. They do all the bird dog work. And guy brought a poodle there looking like you brought a pool. You know, they were act. This is a guy, I think. Is that is that cute? Like what I like you. Are you like Are you like, a little funny Here, give E what's going on here? And the things that my friends didn't realize that poodles, air gun dogs, they were bred to be gun dogs. They are, in fact, some of the best gun dogs. There are just Nobody uses them that way in America because of the fru fru Fairly Look, people associate that with not with hunting. Okay, the blood sport of hunting. They don't see a poodle, but that's what they were made for it puck with the haircut.

spk_1:   18:12
The original cut of the poodle with the funky little rough surround the pause and things like that that looks so goofy. The cut was designed to keep the critical parts of the dog warm in cold water, and they left little puffs for around the paws to give him or paddling speed. There were water retrievers. So what you're seeing is in a standard poodle poodle cut. At least the original version was a cut designed to make them more effective as water retrievers and help keep him from getting killed when they did the water retreat. But then that basic idea got morphed into the little miniature toy poodles. And if they have a purpose of companionship and, uh, being ankle biters, I haven't found it yet. The stated goal, Drea got the standard. Had

spk_0:   18:57
good dogs, really are.

spk_1:   18:58
They are, uh, my friend Doc, who I hike with Sometimes I hold her standard poodle puppy halfway up a mountain because good dog. Just too little for the kind of walking we wanted to do.

spk_0:   19:10
It was now the poodle that I'm talking about. I saw pictures did not have the funky Of course, it's the middle of the winter here, and you're gonna take a dog outside. You know, you want to keep

spk_1:   19:21
her on,

spk_0:   19:22
keep the fur on it. It doesn't have all the funky, funky cut, but And my friend said that poodle embarrassed the other dogs. It was 10 times the gun dog. They didn't take any of their own dogs out with them. They were all everybody brought their dogs. My, my outfit. Her friends have their own set of dogs that are very good, but they didn't have those dogs out. People who want to bring their own dogs and work their own dogs and bring So but that poodle embarrassed the other dogs. I mean, it was it was finding everything. And so there's a preconceived notion That's just an idea. Okay, thank you.

spk_1:   20:00
So we're gonna be somewhat outside the pale as preppers because, well, that's just the way society is now. It's not very forward looking, and we're gonna be somewhat outside the normal run of things. But if you get too far out, you're both the target and not a good example. So that is my half of this bipolar kind of. That's where I thought we were going to this topic when we started talking about it. All right,

spk_0:   20:28
I've got my friends. I've got some tragic news.

spk_1:   20:31
Here we are. We're destined.

spk_0:   20:33
Were there were just getting ready to cross across the bridge into the People's Republic of Illinois. Is that a political comment? I don't think maybe it is. I shouldn't say that. Um, not a fan of Illinois. I'm actually blew up there for a while. And it's not just they're just goofy. Should be two states because half the state doesn't seem to know what the other half is doing because they don't city people don't understand little people on by his first. Not

spk_1:   21:04
true. I don't get it.

spk_0:   21:05
I don't get it anyway, So we're gonna have to skip off the topic of how to deal with stuff you know is bad for you. And put that off to another podcast. That's gonna be his own. And I may open it up by taking another drink out of this very delicious red drink.

spk_1:   21:25
But if we do it on the way home, you can't be opening it with another one of those.

spk_0:   21:31
My head will explode. I gotta sleep. Keep you awake. So we're gonna Ooh, we're crossing the river right now. There's the eagles all over the place. There's an eagle out there on the ice.

spk_1:   21:41
I see it. You know there's another one right overhead.

spk_0:   21:45
Actually, that was a little ruffled on the ice. I gotta drive upstream of the bridge. I don't want to join the eagle in the drink.

spk_1:   21:51
E, I don't think the ice floe would hold both of, you

spk_0:   21:55
know, Uh, just okay. This as my little digression for this particular podcast. Aargh. Always do one. Well, the river's pretty open right now.

spk_1:   22:05
Guys, if you ever have the opportunity to be near the Mississippi River. When the ice is on, go as far north on it as the water is open and you will see as many bold eagles fishing as your heart desires and my hardest desired quite a few over the years,

spk_0:   22:20
anywhere that has a lock and dam. So pretty much your north of ST Louis. First of all, it's free. It's out there, really. But anywhere from like the northern part of Missouri, up and through Iowa, into the Northern area I've never been up into Minnesota is for us watching the Eagles goes. But I know it sure is good here in Missouri, and it sure is good. In Iowa, there's there's just hundreds and hundreds of eagles are. We used to have a problem where the Eagles were an endangered species. I don't know if they're endangered or not, but I sure know where 250 of our took

spk_1:   22:56
off and took him off the endangered list years ago

spk_0:   22:59
because, I mean, I still show you run

spk_1:   23:02
so they can still keep people from shooting them for the heck of it.

spk_0:   23:05
Yeah. Oh, in Missouri, I don't know what a shooting any rapture is illegal. Red Tail Hawk. You can't shoot any of them. So just here. They're all right, Doctor. Later. But why?