Episode 45: Injuries Away From Doctors

spk_0:   0:00
Hello, everybody.

spk_1:   0:01
Good morning. Afternoon. Evening, everybody. And welcome to another edition of the three B. What hot cast on this beautiful, bright, clear early fall day. Well, what We're recording us anyway? I don't know exactly when you listen to it was very bright out. Very blue today, here in North Missouri.

spk_0:   0:22
Good for developing leaf color.

spk_1:   0:23
Yeah, it's It's we're starting. Yeah, we're starting starting to get into the turn, So we're headed off on the road, as usual. So if you hear right note Roy to know now Roy knows where. OId Monster. Ah,

spk_0:   0:37
£117 of me.

spk_1:   0:39
Oh, you go. Yeah. Roid monster. No, we're not going to be talking about steroids today. Appear on the podcast. Welcome to the show. And, um well, the spice introduce this one for you.

spk_0:   0:57
This one is called the Walking Wounded

spk_1:   1:00
were walking wounded

spk_0:   1:03
because sometimes you just gotta walk wounded,

spk_1:   1:06
you know? Well, you like it or not?

spk_0:   1:09
Obligatory disclaimer. I'm not a physician. I don't give medical advice. What I do is engage in some activities that our vigorous

spk_1:   1:21
that wound you

spk_0:   1:23
and how the history of occasionally wounding participants and some of them occur far for medical help,

spk_1:   1:32
and some of them occur with medical help standing by

spk_0:   1:36
because, you know, it's kind of that kind of sport anyway. But in a emergency situation, you might well have some kind of injury. We're talking mostly about soft tissue injuries here, to the joints to the muscles. You might have some kind of injury. There is no option for stopping and completely resting it. There is no option for getting good professional help. What you got in your head is what you got, and these are just some thoughts. So you have a few thoughts in your head when that time comes.

spk_1:   2:17
Yeah, I mean, you could see all kinds of scenarios like she's a hiker. I'm not a hiker and you don't like hiking. Hiking is a lot like walking with heavy stuff on you, but not big places. I like riding my bicycle. I like cycling just fine, but walking is not something I like, even a little,

spk_0:   2:36
which means I'd do it alone, were a time or

spk_1:   2:40
with companions off alone.

spk_0:   2:44
I have a good hiking friend when I can meet up with her, but you know, I end up doing it by myself. Sometimes,

spk_1:   2:50
to be fair, we do have a duel. We have cell phones when we do also have because a lot of times we're out of cellphone range. We do have a radio set up, and she used to get that far away from me. But sometimes she does. And sometimes even if you have a radio, there's just just hard just gonna have to get yourself out of it.

spk_0:   3:10
And in an emergency situation when emergency help Service's were overwhelmed, you're a lot more likely he dropped on Your own resource is.

spk_1:   3:22
And of course, if the stuff hits the fan well and everybody pretty much on their own, so continue what,

spk_0:   3:30
as always, my first, a favorite approach is not to play the game at all. So appropriate footwear for what you're doing. No, that it fits. You know that it's got a good grip on the kind surfaces you're gonna be dealing with.

spk_1:   3:46
Make sure it's broken in.

spk_0:   3:49
Yeah, just because something's expensive and it felt good when you walked around on two minutes in the store. That's not a thing if you have to walk a long distance in a pair of shoes.

spk_1:   3:59
Yeah, This is one of my problems. I was I love sandals, sandals, Kaya, wear sandals two degrees below zero. You know, it's like sandals, but that's not an appropriate footwear for most hiking situations.

spk_0:   4:14
It actually can be. If you get hiking sandals. It's more about the rigidity of the soul and how well it's attached to your foot.

spk_1:   4:20
I wear cycling samples because of very they're just exceedingly rigid.

spk_0:   4:25
Yeah, they would actually be suitable for ah, lot of kinds of

spk_1:   4:29
you, except for the spider bite. I got great. Yeah, no

spk_0:   4:33
far on that leg. Anyway, no guarantees,

spk_1:   4:38
no guarantees.

spk_0:   4:38
So good footwear and paying attention to what you're doing will avoid a lot of problems. But sometimes stuff is gonna happen. And the first thing you probably want to do is get an idea for what kind of injury you're talking about. You wanna look at it fairly quick? No, you might not want to take shoe off and we'll get to that point later. But you might want to look at injuries if you can. Fairly quick after they happened before swelling has a chance to set in. And that's Wellington. Come on pretty darn fast. because if you have something that is both broken and displaced, there tend to be funny lumps under the skin and they stretch the skin they make usually make the skin pale over it. And there's a funky lump. If that shows up right after the injury, that being not a good sign,

spk_1:   5:30
yeah, and we're actually to the point of That's kind of beyond the scope of this conversation. If you have a truly broken bone, Um, that's really a medical. I'm more of a medical.

spk_0:   5:43
I'm not gonna go telling you how to realign bones.

spk_1:   5:46
There are sources out there. Please refer to them. And of course, obviously, if it's at all possible getting medical help for any of this

spk_0:   5:55
for fortunately, my hiking partner is the doctor is it

spk_1:   5:58
Turns out she's a full blown position.

spk_0:   6:04
So that's that's my next suggestion. If you're gonna be doing this kind of thing, you're bugging out with somebody, an emergency physician, a wilderness physician.

spk_1:   6:12
Take Doc with you.

spk_0:   6:15
Good choice there. Uh, so you want to figure out if it's a break or sprain or a pulled muscle or whatever it is because breaks her a heck of a lot more dangerous to walk on than anything else. Because if you try and put weight on a broken and partially misplaced or potentially misplaced bone, you could have slippage with which could get ugly. And if I was in that kind of situation, I would be trying not to put weight on that sucker at all. I'd be pulling out my truck and poles and doing a lot of hopping and leaving a lot of my weight behind me on the trail for some, some other lucky sold find later, I wouldn't be putting weight on a break,

spk_1:   7:06
so the dog that you're carrying in your big pouch in front of you

spk_0:   7:10
would be stuffed. At this point. The

spk_1:   7:12
dog would have to walk.

spk_0:   7:13
It was cute and it was a puppy, and I forgave it for needing to carry it. I knew that was part of the deal, but

spk_1:   7:20
yeah, well thought could carry that. It was a poppy. It was a poppy. Come on. It was only 12 weeks old.

spk_0:   7:26
She did good for a bubble, but

spk_1:   7:28
what will post a picture of the spice of the puppy,

spk_0:   7:33
not putting weight on the bone that you are is broken, especially if it's broken and displaced is the first deal. So what I'm dealing with here is the soft tissue injuries, joints and the muscles. Right? If you think the ankle is sprained and the shoe comes up high enough to give it some sport, I probably wouldn't take that chew off if I still have to walk on it. Because she was gonna restrain the swelling and a lot of the painting limitation of use. Not all of it. But a lot of it comes from excessive swelling. If I had a cold pack in my med kit which, depending on weight considerations I might have might not have, or depending on how high above was above the tree line, you might have or might not have a look. There's a patch of snow left over from last July. You've got a nice back now

spk_1:   8:36
left over from last July.

spk_0:   8:39
Uh huh.

spk_1:   8:39
Your high of the mom. You let me tell you what you are up there, baby

spk_0:   8:44
or were in Australia. Could be below the equator.

spk_1:   8:48
There are places in the U S that never truly clear of snow. You know that.

spk_0:   8:53
I was up there in August and found some of So it's kind of cool to come across snow in August. If you are a Missouri and like me, you know. Anyway, ice is good. Keep the swelling down. To begin with, some swelling is gonna happen. Excessive swelling is first, a comfort and use problem. And if it gets more excessive than that, it's actually a damaging stuff by pressure problem. So you want to restrain excessive swelling and ice is the single best way to do that. Not using an elevation are and applying some pressure are right up there on the list. If you have to walk out, you may not have the resting option. You may not have the elevation option, which probably have the applying some pressure option.

spk_1:   9:44
The thing about those those portable ice bags not only are the kind of heavy be carrying around in your in your, um, hiking the only last 15 20 minutes. That's fine, because you're only supposed to put ice on things for 15 to 20 minutes. It's gonna get to that point, but it's makes it a truly a one use thing, and if you're walking out, you may need more than that. So,

spk_0:   10:09
yeah, if I'm going on a day hike and wait is not an issue. I carry one of those suckers for the immediate swelling response, but that's all I bother to carry. And if it's a boy, it's an issue. It just it's not. It doesn't get brought. But if it's there, yes, I use it.

spk_1:   10:30
Now I'll admit our actual medical kit. It's stupid. We have a stupid amount of stuff. Lookit

spk_0:   10:39
the big one.

spk_1:   10:40
The big don't you don't hike with it are hiking. Medical kit is actually pretty darn complete.

spk_0:   10:46
We bought a wilderness medicine kit so we could have all the stuff,

spk_1:   10:51
and then we put our own. We added to it. I'm a six of 1/2 dozen other buying the pre made kits because a lot of times they put junk in it that you don't need importing made stuff. But if you put it together yourself, you can pretty good. We've got a full on stop bag complete medical stop bag, but we don't get that thing away. Itself weighs £30.

spk_0:   11:16
That's a back itself.

spk_1:   11:18
If if we get into stuff, it's the fans situation that is going on one of the pain. Your axe of my bicycle. That'll be one of them. Yep. If we have to bug out because we we be bugging out by bicycle. If if it were that type of event for cars were not available, we're not walking out. No, I well, the way have actually have a podcast on bicycles, I think. Don't you? Yeah. Check out our podcast on bicycles looking up by bicycle. Continue. What? Sorry.

spk_0:   11:54
Okay, if I'm gonna have to walk on that foot, I leave the shoe on because it'll help restrain the swelling. Um, I probably I apply ice at the top of it, which is probably where the problem is, anyway. And I have usually in a strap because I find those so useful for those kinds of things. I'm not big on carrying things for bee stings. None of us are allergic and minor scrapes and stuff, because if that stuff happens, I'll be fine Until I could get back

spk_1:   12:30
squirting water, it will soak your good.

spk_0:   12:32
Yes, but I carry things like ace wraps instead. Because if I spring an ankle, that needs to be taken care of right there. And there's really nothing else that does nearly so good a job that becomes worth the wait in space to me

spk_1:   12:49
because it gives you both that compression you need and the support you need help you support the thing

spk_0:   12:55
and the ability to hold on the ice pack If you got one or if you've got a nice little snowball, you could make right. So why the ice put the rap on over? How tight put the rap on How tied to put the compression is always a nice balance because the tighter it is, the more restrains, the swelling, the more discourages swelling for very cool physiological reasons. I'm not going Thio take all the time to explain right now,

spk_1:   13:23
actually, she's gonna add We're gonna put it and did them so you can cut the podcast off early if you want to, and then she'll tell you why he knows. You know I hate Ideo, so it's a very end. We're going to say goodbye. And then if you want to hang on and hear the physiological reasons behind this, she'll give you five minutes or less,

spk_0:   13:45
so you want it as tight as is otherwise reasonable to restrain swelling as much as possible and provide support as much as possible. If your fingers are turning funny colors, the rap is too tight. If if swelling is going to make your fingers turn funny colors as you go on, it's fine when it starts. But then your fingers start turning really strange colors like purple or blanched white or gray, depending on your underlying skin color. Uh, either one of those means you're not getting enough circulation to the limb beyond the level of compression. So what? Loosen the level of compression. I'd rather have the swelling that not get blood flow to body parts that need blood flow. So it's tight as you can make a reasonably make. The wrap is the next deal. Then I pop out my anti inflammatory drugs and take the maximum safe dose of anti inflammatory drugs Insane. Yeah, mum, steroidal anti inflammatory drugs,

spk_1:   14:57
which are drugs like

spk_0:   15:00
aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, acetaminophen. Those are some of the most popular and most often carried

spk_1:   15:09
bread. Name a little name Advil bread name, you know.

spk_0:   15:15
Wait, I'm not a big brand name when

spk_1:   15:17
she ever she puts our drugs that are a little plastic baggies because we split about because we're too cheap to buy the little individual packages. And she said she loved Bobby just of Leslie's lawfully Laughlin. What does that? D'oh?

spk_0:   15:31
But then I put pain two every four hours. So in case he's the one reading the labels, he knows which is stuff to take.

spk_1:   15:44
No

spk_0:   15:47
anti inflammatories. It's not about the pain. I'm not against stopping pain kind of for it, in fact, but that's not what I'm taking form. Taking it to reduce the inflammation and the inflammation is what's causing the swelling. Swelling is part of that as well as paying being part of that. So it's actually going to reduce the amount of damage done if you get a nice dose of anti inflammatories and they're pretty quick,

spk_1:   16:12
but it's a total aside. I'm sorry to do this, but we just passed one of the most ridiculous things in north Missouri. There is a A field that has two horses at it. One of them is a draft horse. The other one is a miniature horse, and they heard together, and the miniature horse comes up to about the knees of the draft or

spk_0:   16:34
sometimes find him grazing in the shade of the trap doors

spk_1:   16:40
on the side press right along.

spk_0:   16:43
All right. We got the anti inflammatories. We got Thea cooled. If we got it, we got the rap. We're gonna walk on this sucker. We're pulling out the tracking polls is if you're going anywhere where the footing might be bad, I'd be taken tracking polls. I don't. You normally use them when I hike because I'm in Missouri and the footings usually places where I can rely upon it. But if I were in mountains or we've gotta set for in case we do need to, like, somewhere in emergency sense, we've got a set of hiking, trekking poles, their gold. They're very light. Most of them are collapsible. They have rubber tips, usually on the end. So they are quiet and they're strong enough to take body weight. So they're meant helps for Chu. Wait While you're hiking with a pack on unstable footing, if a foot slips, you've got a couple of trucking poles down. So you got one foot in the air and the other foot slips. You got a couple polls on the ground. You're not face first because of heavy pack can pull you down right quick,

spk_1:   17:48
right? Of course, there's the the user. The quick and easy trekking poles called Looking for a Stick? Yes. Now here's a hint. For those of you who have been hiking, you know this look near the hit trailhead. There's usually Ah, whole bunch of appropriately sized sticks where people have dropped their stick after using it as I king bull. So if you don't take your hiking bulls, look around at your trailhead because you're gonna find two or three sticks about the right size.

spk_0:   18:27
But if you're not at the trailhead, your chances of finding something appropriate drop dramatically.

spk_1:   18:32
It's beyond, depending on like here. Missouri. If you were, I can. You could probably find a stick pretty quickly if you're in Aspen. Not so much.

spk_0:   18:41
But actually finding a good stick is hard because you want it flight you one of the right length, and if it's strong enough to be taking your weight than it's too strong to break easily to the right length, you'd rather have it not have bark on it. You don't want it full of bugs, by the way, the careful when you pick it up. You don't want to stick your fingers underneath there and find a snake. They like nice, shaded places that might be where he's hanging out. Or that might be worthy. Yes, stinging insects or hanging out. So careful when you pick this sucker up and test the weight of it to make sure it's not cracked in all. That's why I would if I were doing this for reals. I've taken the tracking polls because they'd be worth way to me. That's one of the things I wanted to bring up in. This podcast is the value of trekking poles.

spk_1:   19:32
Well, there you have. And of course, you know the one of the best things that you can D'oh! Strangely enough to help yourself on an injury situation before you even leave is cut down the weight of your what you're carrying to the barest minimum because the more you're carrying is not only amount, er being tired, but the more you carries more off balance, you're gonna pay,

spk_0:   20:03
and the faster you come down when something starts to slip.

spk_1:   20:07
So the bare minimum is best.

spk_0:   20:09
Yes, I would not go short water or the ability to purify water because that can get you into a bigger problem than the spring ankle will. But

spk_1:   20:21
a realistic a realistic essay of if you were gonna day hike a realistic I said, What is it likely to run into means that you can leave a lot of stuff that a lot of people usually carry around with him in the car. Yeah, so or where it is you're going are big. Whatever. Okay, what else you got

spk_0:   20:49
that walking with the weight straight down on something like an injured ankle usually works surprisingly well? Better than you would expect from the amount of pain. But you've gotta watch the weird angles and the twists,

spk_1:   21:06
rumble, strip twists, tress or somebody has had some serious me problems. It's always the twist to it for me. Watch the twists, rumble strip

spk_0:   21:16
and having the trekking poles down when you're putting weight on that, especially if that put might slip on bed. Bad footing is a a valuable way to help avoid twists, but you can walk surprisingly well on it. The other thing. Just wear the

spk_1:   21:38
most dangerous intersection in north part of the state is really horribly, horribly designed intersection in which they have been 10 years or less than it's been open. There's been a whole bunch of fatalities at that intersection, just poorly designed anyway. Or pass it now.

spk_0:   21:55
Yeah, in general, if you have any kind of soft tissue injury and you're wondering whether to splint it rested, put the arm in a sling, not use the hand it all. How much do you use it? That injury is going to remodel itself, and it's gonna remodel itself according to how it's getting used. The old style advice was to keep off something until it healed. Do not use a thing until it healed. That's not the deal anymore because we figured out that what was happening is as the sucker healed. It was healing very nicely into the position in which it was being killed. It wasn't being taught to take stress. It wasn't realigning the new material to take the kinds of stress that normally apply, and you weren't getting as strong or complete a hell out of it, and you were actually getting some muscle and bone loss while you weren't applying tension to the part you were using. So now, when people get knee surgeries they have a moving their knee that very day. The basic rule is try and use a joint through the entire range of motion it's got. Now you bring it to discomfort. Don't bring it all. The way to pain is the basic rule. I follow this rule all the time in my sports, whether body part is injured or not, and so far it has done a good job of reducing the impact of the injuries I have had. And I've thankfully had a relatively small share for the kinds of activities engaged

spk_1:   23:36
in high injury sport.

spk_0:   23:38
Yeah, extremely. There's been some falls where I'm like Oh, man, that was bad. Something's gotta be well know. Everything feels good. All right, up we go.

spk_1:   23:48
Flexibility is your friend.

spk_0:   23:49
It was because I was stretched out, and I maintain the flexibility very carefully, even though I'm kind of an old Czech at this point.

spk_1:   23:56
But even still, this is, Let's just say it's full contact sport. It's a kind of sport where injuries just can happen. You could be a stretched out. You'd be a perfect shape. It's just your time in your time, you know, it's just injuries happens

spk_0:   24:09
why? I've seen a whole lot of ankle injuries are Republican deal?

spk_1:   24:12
Whole lot of broken, both

spk_0:   24:13
ankle injuries. Yeah, I now know with an ankle injury. Looks like pretty much so.

spk_1:   24:19
So quick. Quick story on the other. Use it and let a remodel. Uh, we were on a vacation of last year. Your before? Two years. Two years ago, we went to Utah. Yeah, um, as you probably figured out, I'm a photographer. I love taking pictures and I love doing nature pictures. We went to Utah. We went to Qallab Canyon. Bryce Canyon, Um,

spk_0:   24:44
the big one

spk_1:   24:45
all over the place where the air is Northern Arizona Sedona, Uh, all over the place. Anyway, at some point in time, when we were walking, I injured. Now, coming out there, I was waiting to get knee surgery on a Tauron meniscus of badly torn meniscus. My knee surgery had been delayed several times due to, frankly, my insurance insurance. Yeah, we're not gonna go into Yeah, they canceled me the day before because I didn't have all my insurance company didn't have all their ducks in a row. We worked it out, but anyway, it delayed the surgery until after my vacation. So we went on vacation. Related what, Six months? We won't have occasion with a bad name. And I knew I was gonna be very limited in the amount of walking and hiking I could do because this knee was actually quite painful. So compensating for that I broke, All right. I stepped on something wrong, and I hurt the ball of my other foot, so I had to bum legs. But I'm in Utah and I'm in the most beautiful place in the world. And I This is the kind of place if your photographer, if the sun is right, If the light is right 1000 miles from home, 1500 miles wrong. And you're in the most beautiful places in the world. You crawl over broken glass if you have to, to take these pictures,

spk_0:   26:17
which he kind of did.

spk_1:   26:20
Look, I mean, I suffered to district. I suffered pain, like real pain, broken things before, and this was a bad as anything I've ever had. So I get back and oh, a month or so later, I'm talking about my knee doctor, go in for a pre exam on my knee and I s So I kind of told him the story like, Well, I'm gonna shoot an X ray of that foot just for still hurts, right? I've issued an X ray for that foot. And, uh, so we did Any suspect looked at the x rays. That's Oh, yeah. I can definitely see you. You cracked a bone right here. This'll is healing, so just stay off of it. Some try not to put a lot of weight onto it, but don't stop using it. Just back off a little bit, and it's healing. Fine. So really nothing we could do about it.

spk_0:   27:16
Brick made the vacation more painful, but didn't stop the guy from going out and taking pictures, so he'd actually been walking on it.

spk_1:   27:22
Yeah, I walk around on Brooke for

spk_0:   27:24
a time. It happened.

spk_1:   27:25
And some of these walks for like, a mile Maur

spk_0:   27:28
a stress fracture is not as likely to fall apart when you put weight on it as acute. And impact fractures are that's the best thing about stress fractures.

spk_1:   27:45
Okay, well, we've said what we wanted to say. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna go ahead in and fake wrap it up and then she's gonna get She's gonna spill the beans of physiological beans. So if you're interested in the physiological aspects of it, hang on until after we say goodbye and she's going to spill the beans.

spk_0:   28:03
My end word, for the normal part is use it as much as you can without acute pain. That's probably but try not to shock it there,

spk_1:   28:15
okay? And so if you're not a hardcore physiology person, you could just say non physiology people and for the physiology people. Here we go.

spk_0:   28:31
Okay, So what happens is you spring that ankle, you tore up a bunch tissue, a bunch of cells ruptured. A bunch of connective tissue got Thorne. This creates a whole bunch of chemical signals that rile up the immune cells in the area, and they immediately rush in to start trying to clean up the debris. They're looking to see if there's any foreign microbes here because they often you often get that kind of signal when you've torn yourself open and they have to defend against bacteria or whatever. So the immune cells, since all that damage the Russian in there trying to clean up the debris and they're releasing all these chemical mediators of inflammation to start the inflammation process. Now the inflammation process in and of itself is a pretty good idea. If you don't let it get out of hand, it's gonna make the blood vessels in the area get wider so that more blood will come to the region. And since a lot of your immune system is carried in the blood stream, that's Andy. It's going to make the capital Aries of those blood vessels more permeable so that proteins that are normally trapped in the bloodstream are going to start leaking out into the spaces around the blood vessels and around tissue cells. But when that happens, it's kind of like a sponge attends. Hold water, so more of the fluid from the bloodstream tends to stay out there, too. And that's where you get the swelling from. You did this on purpose, while those nice immune chemicals and cells in the blood could more easily get out of the blood vessels to the spot where the injury is. But it's gonna cause the swelling as kind of a side effect of that. So what you want to do, you never want to stop inflammation entirely because that makes it harder for the immune system to get there, and it doesn't provide the signals that are gonna trigger the healing. But don't worry about it. You take your in sage, you're not going to stop the inflammation entirely. It's not happening. You do want to keep the inflammation under control because it's got no sense for how much is too much. And the bigger the signal, the more of it you're gonna get. And when you get too much inflammation, going on into an area actually impedes blood flow to the area because it builds up all that pressure from swelling, and then the blood starts moving sluggishly through the area and you're having trouble delivering nutrients down there. You can have tissue starts suffer from lack of gas exchange, not get their oxygen. They're not getting rid of the carbon dioxide that things start to happen. So, uh, rapping and icing to reduce the level of inflammation. And, uh, when you can, you elevate it so the gravity helps pull the fluid down, and you also do this kind of gentle massage thing where you start at the far into the extremity and kind of strip as firmly as is comfortable, reasonably comfortable up toward the heart to help move the extra fluid back towards the heart and reduce the swelling.

spk_1:   31:33
Okay, Now, as an aside, even when you're not got an injury, this is a really cool thing. Um, I'm gonna We're gonna hear some strange noises here, and I'm gonna have her hand me my camera. So what's going on here is we're actually stopping and taking pictures for the three b Y website. This is part of what my trip is to come out here, so she's gonna hand me my camera, but anyway, this is a really cool Oh, we're driving situation. This is a really cool thing to do just as a everyday type thing, because the fluids there will collect in your in your feet after you've had a hard day, even if you're standing on it or whatever. So she she does this for my legs, grab my legs and they shall move the fluid up through the lymphatic system. See? And I call it moving the poison that she didn't like that it's not actually poison. It's just fluid. So the fluid that collects just during a normal day.

spk_0:   32:38
Or if you have been hiking out of somewhere and talking yourself out of trouble and you're not used to walk in a whole lot, it'll end the day and your feet will feel like little bricks. And your legs will feel all stiff and really full. This is a way to help relieve the stiffness and fullness. And increased comfort of your legs also reduces soreness for the next day.

spk_1:   32:58
Cool. So yeah. Hey, you're about to hear maybe we gotta get this on. No pulls get You're about to hear. Um, a picture being taken for the three B Y website did not exciting. You're gonna actually hear a picture being taken for the website. You can't make this stuff up. This is This is You are in the know. Here. Here we go. Here we go. Did you hear that click? I took a picture that's gonna appear on three B Y. Wow. Well, actually, that was going to, but Okay, so we're gonna wrap this up now because I'm sure you're wondering if we've got crazy. And that's about all I had. So, Robert,

spk_0:   33:51
spice out