Episode 195: Risk Management

spk_0:   0:00
Hello, everybody.

spk_1:   0:01
Hello, everybody. And welcome to the show The big show. The most important and critically acclaimed podcast that is recorded in our hard today. We're in our car. We're in The red studio has opposed the white studio of the black studio. So welcome to the show. I hope you enjoy what we have on task Say, And what do we have on test today? We have several actually topics that were we were considering. Which one are we going with? How

spk_0:   0:29
about thesis Chu ation awareness,

spk_1:   0:31
situational awareness Talk about ducks, ducks. So we're gonna talk about other things we're gonna talk about fetch fetches a big deal, and we're gonna use these as examples. We're not talking. We're not trying to get you to perk, to prep for these particular things. These air, just examples of what we put we as preppers need to do to be safe in everyday situations. Now, what is spitting safe and everyday situation have to do with prepping Well, prepping is also sometimes called survivalism, and you have to actually survive every day to make

spk_0:   1:15
sure that you hear on the zombies come right.

spk_1:   1:18
I mean, it is when the zombies come if you died because you got caught up in a bad situation where situational awareness would have saved you, then you miss out on the fun and the thrill of the zombie horns

spk_0:   1:33
and all your preps for that air wasted. Thank

spk_1:   1:35
That's right. What is two years of food Do you any good if you drown or get crushed in a crowd, panic or, you know,

spk_0:   1:44
a boating accident,

spk_1:   1:45
boating accident or or just because you did something really stupid. Okay, so is we're going to talk about today. Um, let's first talk about water and being aware we've talked about water before, how you have to have water to drink, but water water is critically important to life. But it's also a very easy way to die being in the water at the wrong time. And when this podcast record were several weeks afterwards, maybe months afterwards, I don't exactly about the most recent duck accident. The Branson duct we live about as far away from Branson is you can live and still be in the same state

spk_0:   2:38
spiritually as well as

spk_1:   2:40
yeah, like the ducks, the ducks have been around Branson. The ducks have been around Wisconsin dowels. You know, everybody's seen these things. Who's been to any of these tourist traps? Amphibious boat truck's right there. Old military is generally old military surplus, their boat trucks with wheels on them, and many of them are literally World War two vintage. Not all of them are, but many of them are, and people have made a really big time touristy attraction attraction. But these ducks are exceedingly dangerous things, and people have been killed on the multiple times in Mass. There was a sinking in Branson on the lake. Bullshit. Branson bushels. Uh, table rock against Iraq table rocket bull shoulder right next to God, I forget which one, Um, let's talk about Table rock. Table rock is not really your typical Midwestern Lakes in the fact that is quite a bit deeper than most of them are. And it is, Well, it's gotta rock bottom on it, as opposed to having a mud bottom, which means it's a much clearer lake than most Midwestern like she took her diving training in Table rock so you could

spk_0:   4:09
live somewhere where you can actually see something interesting.

spk_1:   4:12
So so that was table rock, and it's usually got 10 to 12 feet of visibility. That really doesn't matter for us. The ducks go as far as you know. Uh, you know, safety. But it also lets people go and they can look out the side of the ducks, and they could kind of see the bottom a lot more than you're really able to do anywhere else.

spk_0:   4:30
You see, deficient stuff's efficiency makes better a tourist attraction,

spk_1:   4:34
which you really can't do in most Missouri likes. That's kind of the draw to it or one of the drawers. Bull Shoals is the same way.

spk_0:   4:40
It also happens to be on a big recreational area,

spk_1:   4:43
and it's right next to Branson, which is, well, it is what it it's tourist attraction. It's a tourist trap. Yes, big time. Now you got all these. But what people don't realize about lakes like Table Rock and Bull Shoals is pretty big. But if the wind gets going from the right direction and a storm heads, they can get really rough, really, really, really rough, rough enough to sink boats. I mean, you can get several feet. Highways and something like a duck is not built for these waves.

spk_0:   5:31
It meant for river crossings may

spk_1:   5:33
calm water. Yeah, this is not an open ocean type craft, and it's not a big lake type. The Wisconsin Dells. You know that lake, the del Zahran it is. It's got a pretty good sized fetch, but it's not nearly as big. A stable fetch

spk_0:   5:51
is thestreet of water, over which the wind blows before it gets to you. What about the water? And that

spk_1:   5:58
that's a big, big deal. If the weather turns bad, that's

spk_0:   6:04
easy on the water to fetch.

spk_1:   6:06
For example, the Great Lakes. I can get two paths. Storms every bit as bad as as the ocean,

spk_0:   6:13
because if the winds coming from the right angle along the long axis of the lake, it's a very long fetch before it gets to you. And the wind blowing over the water is what builds the height of the waves. So when there's a long fetch, there's bigger waves. When there's big wind, there's bigger waves. When there's both, there's twice as big waves,

spk_1:   6:33
and one of the things you have to remember about a smaller body of water is they can get going Ah, lot faster than a big body of water you can really condition changed rapidly pretty quickly. And we're gonna tell you a story from her personal experience on just this. So

spk_0:   6:52
But first, let's tell him what stuff happened with the ducks. People ride the ducks all the time in Branson. They've been doing it for decades. Have been doing it since I was a kid. So that makes it four or five decades, something like that. At least they've been riding the ducks. So the idea is, you pay your tourist money, you get on the duck, they show you where the life preservers are in the pre jaunt briefing, and they always do do that. And from what I've read, they did it in this trip as well. Sure, they did make some offhand comment about Well, you won't need these cause. No doubt. That's what Captain thought. But he nevertheless did show everybody where they were and and tell him how to get to him and things like that. And then you drive out, drive right into the water boat takes you around the water. You sight. See for a while I bring you back,

spk_1:   7:45
really? Drive around town and take your of the touristy parts of town. It's a it's a laying and see tour. Well, theoretically

spk_0:   7:52
landed like tour

spk_1:   7:53
landed late,

spk_0:   7:54
and since it's a very common tourist attraction and millions of people have gone through these things, I'm sure that most of the people who got on the ducks that day had zero thought about it being dangerous because so many people have done it before. And so many people had done it before without incident. And they just, you know, it's the tourist traction. You pay a little money, you do it. It's not considered a big risk thing, except this day they got out and a thunderstorm came up, and the design of the lake is such that it's a very hilly area with very steep hills, and they used to have rivers running in the bottom. They dammed up the major river, so the shape of the lake looks a lot like a squashed octopus. It's got long, thin arms going off in all directions, but when the wind is coming straight down an arm and across the long axis of the lake, it builds up quite a fetch

spk_1:   8:48
because these are actually really long arms, miles and miles

spk_0:   8:53
so you don't think about it being that way because if the wind is coming across the arms all you get his little bitty waves. But when the wind comes down one and it's strong, you could build a big waves in a hurry. The duck actually rolled over under. A lot of people were,

spk_1:   9:09
well, it that they were trying. They're going into the waves and one of them just swamped it.

spk_0:   9:15
And that rolled it.

spk_1:   9:17
Yeah, but the problem with that nest wasn't necessarily that the duck sank. This is not your first of all. We'll go through the failures of situational awareness for the people over in there. In a bit, the real true problem waas the fact that because people wine a lot and because they like to be comfortable, they put a canvas tops on these things and they put canvas windows on the air, plastic window, things on these things

spk_0:   9:53
so people wouldn't get wet or you get too much sun.

spk_1:   9:57
The trouble is, these things were never designed to have that kind of top on them,

spk_0:   10:05
and those things catch win.

spk_1:   10:06
You can't get out of them. There's no exit to it except for the front back door. And if you're underwater, you're caught in a tooth like being caught in a submarine. There's no real way out, especially if you get spun around and turned upside down And blues this orientation.

spk_0:   10:28
You could be very difficult to tell which way is up when you're underwater that way.

spk_1:   10:34
So hee talk trick and most people have gotten turned around in the water to the point where we're both fibers to the point where I'm just like, okay, I blow bubbles and I watch to see which way they go.

spk_0:   10:48
And if there's been times, visibility has been so bad you'll blow bubbles and put your hand one place and another to see where the bubbles feel, where the

spk_1:   10:56
bubbles are hitting

spk_0:   10:57
when you get into a bad visibility. And that happened something that links dining,

spk_1:   11:01
we sleep. We dove

spk_0:   11:02
in some

spk_1:   11:03
you'II poor, visible. You know, it's funny when you when you watch the status of the site, but when you watch us dive, a lot of people laugh, Go! That's so cute there, holding hands, they're holding it. No, we train and stuff that water is so bad you can't see each other.

spk_0:   11:18
If you get five feet away from your partner, you have lost your partner.

spk_1:   11:21
So we hold hands. It's not. It's a habit that we've developed as diving. Not because all it's so sweet. Well, not necessarily, anyway. But because we're so used to losing each other and in the gloom, it, of course, situational awareness. We have a plan for that.

spk_0:   11:40
Yeah. It allows us to spend some time and attention looking at fish and things without having to worry about where your partner is. Old time.

spk_1:   11:46
Right? And we also have a plan for Okay, if we get separated, we spend a minute looking around for our partner. If we don't find our partner, we both know if you haven't cited your partner in a minute, you slowly ascend to the surface. If, of course, we're outside. We're not doing this in the cake. Yeah, this is that Cave is a totally different thing. And I'm not even going into it because totally beside the point. But if you're outside in open water, you slowly a safely ascending apart and pop your head up and see where she is, usually within a few seconds. The other one will pop up. We've had one situation where we couldn't find each other and she ascended a little bit before me and I'm ascending. And as I ascend, I have my, uh, air device that releases the air out of by thinking you don't need don't need details. I'm going up. I'm looking at because you'd look up as you're ascending because you don't want to hit the bottom of something and you're going up it. My hand hit the bottom of her fin, and I didn't see it. You know, this is how bad the biz waas

spk_0:   13:00
The point is, but we knew the risk of the area and we had a plan to deal with the risks of the area,

spk_1:   13:05
right, Because And the other part of diving is when you're up and they're still down, you can't see them, but you can see where they're bubbles. Are

spk_0:   13:15
you confined with air bubbles to

spk_1:   13:16
follow their bubbles? You to go over and and wait next to the bubbles. But anyway, that's beside point. The real point is, but we had a plan because we were being situationally aware. Now if what would be a plan for what? What did the duck people miss? Well, they made several. They have several things where they could have made difference decisions and not died. First thing they could have done is take a good look at the weather forecast and realize there's going to be thunderstorms. Gonna be. There's going to be a thunderstorm. And there what they were forecast. Don't go out on a lake.

spk_0:   13:56
Yeah, You look underscore the weather map. You could see that line headed right towards you. A bad time to be in some

spk_1:   14:04
time. So come up on you. Sometimes they will. We were diving once in a in a quarry and we have a rule. Any Khyber can call the dive for any any time, for any reason this firm rule. So we're diving there and, you know, we're hanging long growing on the wall, and all of a sudden we look over there and some guys swims down towards us. Totally unrelated diver. Yeah. Ah, Diver. We didn't even know it. Waas. He points at us and then gives us the ascend. Well, any diver,

spk_0:   14:39
any diver could call the five. That's usually somebody in your group. But it

spk_1:   14:43
was some random guy And so we're like, OK, so we ascended. It turned out to be a guy we knew. Ah, Dive Master from a local dive shop in You know, he we got up the surface in it were like, Hey, Joe, what's up? He's like thunderstorm coming in. It's about five minutes out. You got to get out of the water. Okay, boom. So we all swam over. We got up out of the water just in time for I mean, lightning was popping all around us, and yeah, so we didn't lose situational awareness because that was ah, freak storm. Okay. And they do happen. We would not have gone in the water had we known that storm was coming because you'd stay away from bodies of water in thunderstorms. Firm rule. Okay, that's the first thing. The second thing, when you get on to a situation like a duck, you know, you have to understand how you're going to get out of it when you walk on there. You're like, Okay, if this thing gets into trouble, how am I getting out of it? That's why if you see me, I get on a on a bus or something. like that. What's the first thing I'm gonna do? I'm gonna take the first seat every time I will sit in the first seat. That's why I do it. So I'm the nearest to the exit. If a problem occurs, I know that sounds kind of goofy, but it's true on an airplane, it doesn't matter. You're going for a ride, you know, going where the airplane is going. All right, put on a bus. I'm gonna be sitting as close to the front as I can get. I don't want to get caught in the crush.

spk_0:   16:36
And many buses do have exits at the back. Emergency exits at the back.

spk_1:   16:40
I sit next to the words the exit where work in. And I make it a point

spk_0:   16:45
to take a look over and see howto operate it so you can operate in the dark. Well, it takes, like, two seconds as long as you're thinking about it.

spk_1:   16:53
So if somebody had been in the duck and that had a big knife like a lot of preppers, Carrie

spk_0:   17:00
or even a three inch pocket knife would have done it

spk_1:   17:03
right. You can cut through the canvas if you have the wherewithal to do it.

spk_0:   17:09
And you can tell which way is up. Because that's where the bubbles are collecting,

spk_1:   17:12
right? Oh, that's gonna be a pretty hard thing to Dio because you got panicking people all around you.

spk_0:   17:18
Yeah, it would have been ugly. Situation

spk_1:   17:20
is cold. The people who have never had Kolchak from water. It's a real deal, you know? It's a real thing.

spk_0:   17:29
Yeah, especially if you don't know that the shock passes and about 30 seconds, 20 seconds.

spk_1:   17:35
Okay, we're just using this as an example. Okay, So these are things those people could have done to save their lives if they had followed the firm rule of Don't go out onto the water when there's thunderstorms. They'd be living today

spk_0:   17:47
to basic lessons. I see. Either one of them is the situational awareness to no what kind of situation you might be getting into and how you're gonna get yourself out of it. And the other is not just handing over your safety. When you hand over your money keeping the responsibility for your own self in your own hands and making the decisions yourself and not trusting that this guy who owns this boat Yeah, His judgment is in many ways, probably better than yours. But he may not be thinking about it, either. It maybe be something he's never encountered because, you know, weird things happen from time to time. You make your own decisions on safety before you get into a situation.

spk_1:   18:29
We went on a boat tour in the Dells many years ago, but, you know, on the two kids that were writing it were literally 18 years old and, yeah, what am I doing? I'm checking out. You know, where the life jackets are?

spk_0:   18:43
10 year olds. Terrible risk assessment skills. We could start a brain isn't sure yet.

spk_1:   18:47
We go into the water, we're not gonna drown unless for really injured. We're not going around. We could swim, but, you know, that's part of it, You know. Ah, lot of people weren't even paying the slightest bit of attention to where the safety stuff work. All right, there you are. Now, another thing to consider is how to actually be situationally. Where and plan and then have that rewarded by not dying, okay.

spk_0:   19:19
Or perhaps by not even getting into actual drama

spk_1:   19:24
Did have you told your recent Yellowstone leg thing on.

spk_0:   19:28
I don't know. I don't think I've told it on a podcast. I may have put elements of it in here and there, but

spk_1:   19:33
so let's go ahead and talk about Let's just compare and contrast the difference between getting on a dock, which is something that millions of people have done and going out on Yellowstone Lake, which is something that 1,000,000 people have done. But a lot of people about me, a lot of people percentage wise. But there've been a lot of deaths in Yellowstone on Yellowstone, like

spk_0:   19:54
more deaths in the lake than anywhere else with roads,

spk_1:   19:57
it is a particularly, uh, harsh, capricious tress.

spk_0:   20:07
Yes, it's very capricious. It's nice. And then it's not

spk_1:   20:10
total story. Tell the story. So you know. And I were

spk_0:   20:13
on a hiking vacation would done a big hike the day before. Give her give her legs arrest. We'll go and paddle around Yellowstone Lake for a bit in a canoe. So we, uh, hire a guy to take us out to one of the cooler spots to canoe. Run a second. You drop us off, leave us there for a few hours. He's gonna come back mid afternoon. Pick us up. So first thing I got to do this. This is my part of the planning for our trip. So I gotta pick where we're gonna go and what we're gonna do, and I look and there's Oh, there's this really cool island right out in the middle. And I thought how nifty it would be to to go and visit that island. But then I looked at the weather forecast for that day and saw that was going to be down. Wind of our takeout point. And being a cyclist, you never start out down wind, You always start out upland.

spk_1:   21:03
And also a somebody who is an experienced kayaker.

spk_0:   21:08
Yeah, I'm not a master class kayak or anything. I had a little, but I've Yeah, I've been out in little boats. Oh, and I know how much difference when can make when you're in those little boats. And so is my friend. We neither one of us were completely inexperienced, But I look at the giant fetch of Yellowstone Lake and I look how it barrels right down the alley. I'd have to go between our drop off point and that little island and that little island is down wind for that day. And I'm like, Yeah, that would be really cool, but I just don't feel comfortable with that. Hey, look, here's this nice little bay that goes up wind. We can paddle up, wind up to the end of this nice little bay. It's a no wake area. There probably won't be many people. There will probably be some wildlife because they tend to put the no wake areas that the wildlife reserves. And, yeah, we'll do that instead.

spk_1:   22:07
Well, frankly, you know, and another part of this, too, is touristy wise. Hey, you haven't seen any of that stuff. So it's all new to you. Every bit of it's going to be good. You know, it's not like you're really missing something, because if you do the other, you would miss this. So you know, it's the same amount of being of missing stuff,

spk_0:   22:24
and I plan that will stick close to the shore for two reasons. One, the cool stuff is almost always on the shore, and we're going to look cool stuff. And two, I know how cold the water that lake is. And being a diver, I know the dangers of cold

spk_1:   22:38
water. It's really, really, really cold.

spk_0:   22:43
Neither my friend nor I is going to drown if we fall out of a canoe in the middle of open water, weaken both swim just fine, but And that we have life jackets. Yeah, it. Most people who are submerged in Yellowstone Lake take about half an hour to die. And it takes longer than that to swim halfway across the fetch of some of the places we're looking at. So I'm thinking of we we go canoeing across there and some big boat swamps us with its wake or something. We've got longer to swim to get to a shore than we have time to spend in water. That cold, situational situational awareness. So we stuck close to the shore. We did our paddle. The winds started to pick up. We came back somewhat early. Took aim or secluded smaller little bay. Now it is exciting, but it was directly down wind of our takeout point. Well, yes. Directly depth. Drop the up wind of our takeout point paused there on the beach. Teoh have a picnic. And we had a totally un forecast severe windstorm which hits

spk_1:   23:56
Yellowstone lake all the time. Yeah, this is a rare

spk_0:   23:59
that you just don't like. Yeah,

spk_1:   24:02
but they're really windstorms. They're like, Boom! 35 40 mile an hour type.

spk_0:   24:07
This was 40 mile an hour winds, and it was surprisingly bad to the guy who had been running the boat there for the last 30 years, he said that one was one of the worst he's seen, so that picks up while we're at the picnic site. We're like, OK, let's. We're about an hour from take out time. Let's just abort for us to this paddle. Go directly down wind to our takeout point, which was even a little bit exciting then because the chop was picking up pretty good. We pull out at thehe takeout point, decide. We'll just stretch out on the shore and enjoy the day, and the wind gets worse on the waves get higher. And now they're four foot high, which is beyond my skill level in an open canoe

spk_1:   24:48
right now. Four foot high

spk_0:   24:49
from that time, don't

spk_1:   24:50
know. Four foot highways aren't like riel waves on a freshwater lake. Yes, what for a freshwater lake that's like really chop,

spk_0:   25:01
and that isn't in the middle. That's in this protected bay because we're talking way worse out medals here. Yeah, open top canoes.

spk_1:   25:10
We're not talking about oceans sealed ocean kayak.

spk_0:   25:12
We almost had to abandon the kayaks there on the shore because the guy with the big motorboat that came to pick us up was almost unable to coming. Approach the dock so he could pick up the canoes.

spk_1:   25:25
And he was probably relieved to find that you were not.

spk_0:   25:29
He was. The first thing he asked me is, did you guys get caught out in this? And I was like, Now we pulled it in early. When the wind levels start to exceed our skill level, it's like a good job. He thought he was going to have to rescue us by pulling us above off, ashore. He's had to do that to people before. So it ended up being, ah, beautiful little paddle on the lake. And the ride back was really exciting because the waves were about six feet in the middle of that lake who actually stopped and checked out a smaller fishing boat where the people had ah hired a captain to take him out in an even smaller little fishing boat to make sure they weren't in serious distress because they were having such a energetic ride.

spk_1:   26:15
Oh, it makes me wanna puke, right? Thinking about

spk_0:   26:17
Yeah, we thought we were gonna have to try and perform a rescue there, but they were making progress back to the sheltered area. They didn't seem to need our help, so we went on. But it was it was that near thing.

spk_1:   26:28
We're diving on their risk any and that Second, I of course, we sat around when you're diving on the Oriskany, the risk in these 31 miles out to sea. So you said you're just gonna sit there between your two dives and wallow in that boat And I don't do boats. Well, to start with as a scuba diver who gets seasick. Yeah, it's it's a thing. But I said I was miserable, okay? And get in the water in my because once you're in the water, What? You're underwater, right? And

spk_0:   27:02
they call it feeding fishes for a reason. He's a great at attracting wildlife after a boat interval like that, because he's puke in and then official coming to check out the food in the water.

spk_1:   27:11
Yeah, it really is a feeding. The fish is a real thing. Note to all non divers. Yes, you can throw up and not drowned.

spk_0:   27:22
Throw up through a regulator

spk_1:   27:23
up right through the regulator. Um, so we're not gonna go into any more details of that, but so when we're anywhere, we're coming back from the diving. The Oriskany is not a bunny dive, okay? It's often billed as an easy dive. Is not an easy diving deep, and it's often the limits of urbanization ability. And there's a lot

spk_0:   27:47
of strong currents,

spk_1:   27:48
and there's a lot of the type of wildlife that freak people out. You got six foot long.

spk_0:   27:53
Yeah, they were Barrack. Ood is longer than I was hanging out five feet from me, which is fire. Very toothy fish. Really

spk_1:   27:59
cool, too.

spk_0:   28:00
They are. A lot of

spk_1:   28:02
people panic at the the sight of carnivorous fish hanging hanging

spk_0:   28:06
out in their shade. Using them is covered, efficient.

spk_1:   28:08
I mention it was deep, and it is compelling to people who do stupid things to do stupid things inside the rescue. We're not. This isn't a diving show, but you know it's

spk_0:   28:21
stay within the limits of your capability is tthe e is the lesson there

spk_1:   28:26
because it's settled much deeper than the bottom. So

spk_0:   28:31
a little canoe trip was nice, but it was only nice because it was very conservatively planned. That could have been disastrously bad, to be honest with you, because that was a completely unexpected weather pick up. It was the conservative planning that kept it a pleasant day,

spk_1:   28:49
even our risk. Any dive? Oh, it was the We're talking Gulf of Mexico. We're out there ways the wind picks up the chop picks up, and we had 56 foot waves. It was pulling. The dive ladder was pulling completely out of the water that we were gonna have to try and get back up,

spk_0:   29:09
which means it chops back into the water when the boat comes down the other side and you're tryingto grab that ladder and climb on its cowboy moment.

spk_1:   29:17
It waas So we got on. You know, the best part about that trip? The number one thing about that trip is after and puke in and puke in and puke in were coming back. And I'm a vegetarian when it comes to meet that I don't personally kill process or that isn't processed by somebody I personally know and trust

spk_0:   29:40
commercial meat?

spk_1:   29:40
Nothing. I don't need commercial meat. The best part about the whole trip was like, maybe hot talks on the way back when I was sick as a dog the whole way back. But I had to with smell hot dogs. Ah, situational awareness. Okay, we're talking. Most of this has been water based. This. We were just using this as an example

spk_0:   30:04
because it's an unfamiliar situation to a lot of people, right? And it makes it easy to overlook unexpected circumstances.

spk_1:   30:12
Other types of situational awareness, we think, is important for prepping. And this is a prep. You walk into a room. What are you walk into a building? What's the first thing you do? You check out the exits. Can the windows be used as exits? Where are the the exit signs? Are they blocked? Okay, look around. If you're in an event center or you're in a public building, where's the E d? Where is the A D to have one automatic defibrillator. Okay. Do you have the e d training? And if not, why not? That's something every prepper should have is full. Red Cross. We have to get ours. Re certified but full Red Cross and have been trained on eighties. We have the 80 training. It's we got a recurrent. It just stopped. It's a yearly thing way haven't done last year or so. But every proper shit is that that is part of situational awareness. Walking into a building and seeing Okay, there's the exits.

spk_0:   31:16
Where the fire extinguishers

spk_1:   31:18
where the fire is usually if you go watch a movie, do you sit where you can get out? If there is a panic? Good question. Do you? When

spk_0:   31:28
you sit down on a new airplane, do you actually look around to see where those exits are? Yeah, I know the safety briefings. Lame. It's the same one every time. But you ought to at least I know where your exits are, right? And how to get there if the lights go out

spk_1:   31:46
generally, If you have an airline airplane accident at 30,000 feet, it's not gonna much matter. But if you have a miracle on the Hudson kind of an incident, yeah, it matters a lot. And you know,

spk_0:   32:05
a fire in the land

spk_1:   32:06
if I really land. Exactly. Um, when you have somebody is as good as Sully Sullenberger. Waas as a pilot. Good

spk_0:   32:18
call. You chose your pilot wisely.

spk_1:   32:19
Yeah, that's a good choice. But what I'm saying is, see, pull that off. Because he had already planned to land on the Hudson in case that had happened. He had already planned it at a time that okay, if I lose power going over into New York City, there is exactly one place that I could put the plane down and have hopes that somebody survives. That's the Hudson. He knew it going in. So when it happened, there was no debate, no doubt because he was aware and you'd planned it.

spk_0:   32:56
It's something my mom taught me when I was first learning to drive as you're driving. Of course, your mind's wandering around. One of the places that wanders over is if something happens Now, what do I do? Do I hit the ditch here? Is it better to take on that hit a ditch here? It's usually better to take the ditch

spk_1:   33:14
almost always better. Detective,

spk_0:   33:16
if you're on a bridge. Not necessarily. Yeah, you know. So you know what your plans are and what you're going to do. If something bad goes down, it's just takes a tiny bit of your brain after used to use in it but worth doing

spk_1:   33:31
okay, We're gonna We're gonna go do our thing now and we'll let you go.