Episode 14: Water, Pure Clear Clean Water

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This is salty. A spice. I got a question for you. Sure. Salty your scientists. Right,

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Eileen? That way. Yeah. What

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happens if you take two hydrogen molecules and mix them with an oxygen molecule? I had to stop and think. What

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if you had a little electrical energy to help them? Bond, You get water?

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Water, maybe, I don't know. Just spitballing here. But maybe we might want to talk about

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water. Oh, you mean because our bodies air 70% of the stuff. And if you don't get enough of the right kind, you die. No, no. What?

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I'm thirsty. I'm gonna take a drink.

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Nothing like power of suggestion. Ladies. We did a podcast there to go on placebo and no Siebel effects. Yeah, I can make him thirsty by talking about water. You should have seen him scratching after the one where we talked about parasites. You you still todo eso? I got extra drinks in the cooler back there, so we're good. We can go ahead and talk about water.

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All right, Water. We're good. Okay. Water. You

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really don't realize how beautiful thing it is to be able to turn a tap and get safe part of the water, particularly at any temperature you want. Until that ability is no longer there.

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I'm gonna tell you a story. I'm going to tell you a story of the spigot.

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Oh, the blessed speak.

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Blessed spigot speaking. All right, we're We ride bikes. Okay? This has been 10 years ago or a little more. We ride bikes. Okay, you know that we were out on a trail in Iowa. Don't even tell you the truth. It really doesn't matter. I mean, we don't live anywhere near there. And so it was a trail called the Cinder Path. And it's in shirt runs between Sheridan, Iowa, and Derby, Iowa. And then it goes up some other town, but it's not well, maintains we don't? No. Anyway, so we're there, and I've got a bicycle that I recumbent bicycle that I was writing at the time, and I was fairly new to the bicycle, and it was really Oh, my gosh, it was 100 for not exaggerating. It was 100 and four degree day. Yeah, coming by. Canada had a platter, like a camera. Okay. And that she had, uh, Camelback her.

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I had a Camelback

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Camelback So now we're on. This path is not paid. It's kind of rough. And it's all uphill. The whole bloody way has upheld. We didn't know was a pill. Fortunately, started the bottom. Joey's gonna start at the bottom and go to the top, because that way you get right back down when you're tired.

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To be fair, it's only a pill the whole way. On 100 and four degree day on other days, it's halfway down Hill in halfway up

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anyway.

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But it's not even that long of

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a ride. Okay, so, like, 10 miles. So it's not that big a deal. You know, we were doing this these air back when I was writing 15,000 miles a year. What's not exaggeration? Um, but so we're up there, and by the time we get 2/3 of the way there, I mean, we're talking only 66 miles, but it's 100. I was out of water. I'm second this this water down like it's going out of style. Now I understand absorption. I get that. You wanna talk about absorption? Give me evaporation absorption of the amount of water allowed to get absorbed.

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Your gut can only pick up about a leader of water from what you swallowed and put it in your bloodstream. For our no matter how much you put in your gut, only about a leader of it is getting into your bloodstream for our anymore than that just slashes around. It makes you feel sick.

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Yes, but she your brain doesn't know. This brain knows I'm thirsty. Drink more. It growed up sweating. We're both sweating profusely. She's out of water. You know, we're sitting here going, Uh, she's almost out of Washington. Quite, but pretty close. We're seeing Oh, my gosh. What? We're gonna d'oh! So we get up. And finally, after this epic ride, which probably 45 minutes. Yeah, I felt like

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I had one emergency backup water bottle left. And at that rate, we knew he wasn't safe to try and ride back. So we had plans were just drinking

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water. Yeah, we were cooling ourselves with this water. You know, this isn't just going in. I mean, we're having it's 104.

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So we had a plan whereby I was gonna ride my bike back to the car using my one remaining bottle of water while he sat in the shade and then go pick him up car.

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So we come up, we get to this little town. Derby Derby is like two houses like a town, and we get there. And at the right when we get into town, there's a city park in the city, Park Waas,

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a picnic bench and and old fashioned pipe sticking out of the ground with a mystery frost free pump. Outdoor handle on it. Not not real pump, but outdoor handle.

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So we lifted up and we hear the gurgling. Something's coming, something's coming. Something's coming and it does. And after the 1st 2

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seconds, it's even clean. You know, old pipes get. There was a little rust in the first couple seconds. We were expecting that.

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And under goes ahead and there goes the rest of us. And we're just We're bathing in the blessed spigot.

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Thank you. People of Derby, Iowa, for maintaining a freely available water supply. That kind of exercise will teach you the value of being able to open a spigot and have potable water come out

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right. Well, we assumed it was part of a water. It was like in the middle of a town,

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and it was attached to the public water supply, which makes it a very good bet.

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So thank you, Derby I anyway, that's just it's an example. It really wasn't that. We just This is we're using it in an example of a

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plan. We're cool. And there were two houses in Derby, Iowa way that we still loved spigot.

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And we don't want to go to somebody's house and get water because we're self reliant way. Have the self reliance streak it is, and we're not really we don't want to depend on other people. They were horrible, a house casting because we don't want a houseguest because we don't want to depend on you to take care of us was I am. Anyway, she's She's better anywhere. That Louis ran long

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potable water is probably gonna be the one of the first things to go any time. There is a civic problem because it's so easy to interrupt. In the emergency planning meeting, I'd forget what it's officially called. We went thio not too long ago. They recognize that, and that's one of the problems they saw. Hey, if this wasn't World War three. This wasn't an apocalypse. This was a big guy store and they already recognized we were gonna have problems getting clean water to people because there wasn't enough electricity. Thio, run the pumps and the stir in the water tower. And if you don't keep the water, I the water in the water tower moving in the winter in places like ours, it freezes. And then you got like a gallon of water left in your get moving. It's like a big lollipop of ice up there. Not much good to anybody.

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Normally, it's not a problem because, you know, the town's using water and you know it's stirring and sort of

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power outage. Just do it. Earthquakes do it because they brake lines. Lots of kinds of public problems interrupt water supply.

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I'm gonna ask you if you know I know she knows. I won't ask you if you know exactly where your water comes from. I mean, exactly like if you lived in ST Louis, for example, you would know that your water comes from the city. Waterworks, you might know. But where Where does city waters? Well, their intake is just north or south to forget It's just right near the chain of Rock Bridge over the Mississippi River.

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It's north of the chain. Rockbridge.

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Okay, It's a little castle. You frankly kinda cool.

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Strangely enough, I know where ST Louis is. Water.

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So that's where they Yeah, they, um, mostly. And if you live in a big city on a river, you drinking river water and your water intake is from the north of your city because they don't what? To drink the water after go faster city. Um, anyway, but do you know where it comes from? If you live in the burbs, where exactly does your water source come from? What What has to happen with water is there's a lot of pumping to get that pressure up. Our

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city water comes from a very long way away.

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City water comes of a very long ridiculous amount of

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purification is a problem, too, because when you're getting water from rivers, as most people in big cities are, they better be purifying it, right? Yes, or you've got problems.

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So we'll assume as preppers that you will have plenty of water on him for you.

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Yeah, several days worth of water for everybody in the household. Potable water. Just sitting in one of those storage safe water containers of your choice.

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We use 55 gallon drums water, plastic blue, 55 gallon food, safe drums. That's what we use. Use whatever you want.

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Yeah, if you don't have the time or space for that for the short term, you can get one of those seven gallon containers. You can clean out a bunch of old milk jugs and storm in the bottom of a closet. Just please dump the water and replace it every year because those plastics aren't really meant for long term storage. But if you replace the water every year, it's still cool to do it that way. A

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lot of people actually free. A lot of people will use the tutor pop bottles. They were great because they're easy. Easy to stack. Yeah. Um, but yeah, dump on my rear, and you're good. So we're assuming that you've got that, but short

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term out to be covered.

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Short term and recover. But what do you got in the way of filters?

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Oh, by the way, remember that you may well be wanting to use that flush your toilets with if the problem is just water supply and sewers. Okay, you can flush the toilet by dumping some water in it to make it flush.

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Although, frankly, you're serious. Probably not gonna be okay for very long because they require less stations and stuff like that. Then I'll run out of power in the processing facility itself runs on power in most places, but

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not all.

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You may have a lagoon system.

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You often get a day or two out of it.

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A dare to go. So sewage is another thing you're gonna have to have to plan for and

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against for another day.

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Podcast for another day. Sewage? Yes.

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So short term Easy. Um, longer term. You wanna have some way to purify larger quantities water in the place you intend to be And you wanna have a way to purify water on the go for whatever kinds of mobile emergency bags. Keep method or two in every travel bag.

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Let's talk about let's get let's get one thing off the table immediately. Because it's the one everybody knows about boiling. Let's just get that off

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the

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table first. You want a pre filter water? Of course. Obviously you know that Because just get the traps, the floating trash out of it. Maybe cut down a little bit of the

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unless it looks like pure clean tap water. You don't need to pre filter,

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but, you know, run it through a stretch of T shirt over a five gallon bucket or something like that. Pre filter. You just get the worst of it out.

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A somebody who has worked in camel abs. Let me tell you, you got these little calendars and strainers used to strain other stuff that makes a great support to put your T shirt or your cheesecloth or whatever you're using as the pre filter in

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Right now, I'm gonna do this. I'm planning on using my just take me. Take one of my old T shirts and put it in my spaghetti strainer. And we should work just, like fit right on the top of a five gallon drug drug. Five gallon bucket. I know this because I've tried it. They were straight.

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So it doesn't look like good tap water to start with. Then you pre filter it to remove most of the junk

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and then you Berlin. Yeah, Or do you have to Berlin, you say Burl with the local way of saying, Boyle, technically, you don't have to boil water. You just have to get a certain temperature. But

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But the temperature is so close to the boiling point that you're not going to stick your finger in and know it's hot enough because that'd be really stupid. So instead you boil it. So you know, you've gotten it hot enough. Okay? Ah, lot of places you go. They'll tell you to boil it for so many minutes. First off, the absolute necessity is that you bring it to the temperature, which is about 200 Fahrenheit. So the water that is actually boiling is hot enough. Right then. Short of things that live in the hot springs at Yellowstone or at the bottom of the ocean, which won't make you sick. They're not designed to Paris ties, people. You're gonna be fine if the water is boiled at all.

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Because when they when you cool it down enough to even if you were to drink usually Yellowstone water when you cool down enough so that you don't like roaster insides drinking it. They'll have died.

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No, they won't. But they're not gonna grow in me either, because I'm not hot enough.

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Sure, they would die. They have to have that thermal.

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No, they don't know. We're gonna have to have

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a conversation that's not on the podcast. I disagree.

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I just geeked out Sorry, all right, but

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they would.

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So the reason they tell you to boil it for so many minutes is because if it's a little bitty container and it's boiling, the whole batch of water is hot enough and you're golden. But if it's a larger batch of water like a big pot because you're trying to purify enough water to last you for that day, then the stuff that's boiling at the bottom it's not mixed up yet, and stuff near the top are over at the edges. Might not be the same temperature, and there may still be microbes living in it.

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So if you're in a hurry or if you not necessarily in a hurry, but you want to save fuel so you don't want to boil this, you know, use any more fuel and you have to use, or when you boil water could steams and you start to lose water so you don't wanna waste water. Stir it.

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Yeah, put a lid on it until it's at a full rolling boil. Pull the lid off, stirred around good for 30 seconds or so with a full rolling boil, everything will be hot enough. You're good to go

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right away. If you stir it and you stir the thing and you notice for a second or two, it stops boiling. That's where you hit the cold water, cold water.

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The cooler water mixed with stuff that was boiling temperature and average was below boiling.

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So once you once you stir it to the point where it continues to boil the whole time you're not. Or you put it in a Kelly kettle, which we love. We love our Kelly Campbell.

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Yeah, you should see my review on the Kelly cattle on the baby. Why

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only couples The easiest way to do this? Just throw it in there, throwing a few sticks in the bottom. Maybe a couple pine cones and you're good. You're good

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fast, low fuel safe boiling and the sleeve of water and a Kelly catalyst small enough that if it's boiling at the spout, it's boiling in the whole thing.

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right way. We're not paid endorsers of the Kelly Kettle We have. We had to buy our own. We're just happy users.

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I just like it a lot.

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So anyway,

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so bring it to a full boil. Your good. Even if you're a altitude, it's gonna be hot enough if it's boiling.

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Now, if you can't boil water,

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boy, you need to learn to cook.

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No, no. Well, but if you're in a position where you can't boil water on here, you're on the move, and you just can't do it. Um, you use a water filter. The good news is, all water filters are created equal. No matter what you do, they all work equally well, right?

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Wrong. But thank you for playing.

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Oh, I may be wrong on that.

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Yeah. First, pre filtering is even more important if you're using a water filter to purify your water. Because to catch the microbes that cause illness, the filter has to be pretty tight. It has still not let very big molecules through, which means it's gonna clog up in a hot second if you start running silk through it. So pre filter well is the first message. Then the type of filter you buy makes a difference. You can get cheap. Ones that are basically the expense and the ease of use are both regulated to how porous the filter is. You got four major categories of potential things in the water you need to worry about. Okay, but biggest our

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church. I kind of what I got you looking

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at six. OK, she cooks predatory fish shark. They're really, really big. And you pretty much have to get in the water with him before there's problem.

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So you don't put any sharks in your filter, OK? We're past that. Iran is right out.

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Okay? Even bluegill and Missouri will take a bite out of it.

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Well, but you're defending

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their nests, so Okay, No predatory fish. Next five are what are called You carry oats there things that have cells like ourselves, about the same size of the ourselves. There's a bunch of that and that is actually the biggest threat in our local water. There's this guy called giardia

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giardia. Nice Italian guy. What do

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you mean? Sounds like a nice Italian guy until you get an everlasting case of the runs and

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everlasting case way.

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Absolutely. have that on surface water and streams in our part of the world. Because it's passed around among small mammals like records, stuff like that. And it's in their feces. And yes, they do do that in the woods, and then it rinses down into lakes.

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I have a friend who was up in the mountains and drank out of a clear mountain string in clearing our

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Russia mountain streams of shoot on. Doctor who should have known better

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is a doctor. Okay, um, you know, I remember not to mention names. I was, but you know, the person. He got a really wicked case of giardia, and he's had trouble with it, ever

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hard to purge when she got it.

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Yeah. I mean,

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you think not because your purge in right, left inside What is when you've got it? But it's hard to really

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get rid

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of. It burrows into the intestinal mucosa in the most disgusting fashion. It's better not to drink the things. The good news is all the commercial water filters that you by analysts, they're just flat out effective. Will stop the protozoa NHS what giardia and the things like blood flukes and the things like the roundworms that you're gonna get through their water. They're pretty Have big sells

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pretty big.

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So they're all gonna be stopped by any not outright defective water filter. And most of that T shirt,

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right? Most of the stuff you need to really worry about, at least in our part of the country, most of the stuff is actually pretty big. Yeah, for filter for filter purposes. So something like a life straw, which, you know, it's just a standard, Very inexpensive various will stop

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you put in a small bag.

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Absolute will start stop giardia and bacteria and victory,

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which is the second major threat. And it's the next step down in size. Bacterial cells are live cells. They're smaller than ourselves by quite a bit, but they're still cells, so they gotta have, Ah, a bunch of whole bunch of molecules included in them. They're big enough to be stopped by most of the water filters out there. So if you read them and their size indicates they'll stop bacteria. That means you're not gonna be getting nasty things like vibrio cholerae, which gives you cholera, cholera

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collars on my shirt.

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You're not going to get Montezuma's revenge was caused by a strain of E. Coli. E. Coli contamination is very common in waters that commercial farm animals are anywhere in the vicinity of.

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You know that E. Coli is a communist plot, right? Did you know that

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I did not. I didn't even notice they were red when I looked at him under the microscope.

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It is because you know, there's a type of E. Coli called decoy Stalin Stalin, you know,

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caused because Stalin, because I really believe that 100% okay, stretcher. You have

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to realize I'm from Missouri. I'm not really from here, but I live here and we have ah, tradition in Missouri called the stretcher. That might be a Missouri

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scripted one. Okay, so bacteria cause prop bacterian protozoan among them caused the majority of the waterborne diseases, and most filters will catch both of those. So that's the good news. The bad news is not everything. Hepatitis A, for example, is a virus that is fairly common and fairly easily transmitted by water. Right. And there's a couple other viral diseases polio, which we don't have much of A in the U. S. Because most people have two brain cells to rub together, and they get immunized against polio so we don't have a whole bunch of it Because vaccine Yeah,

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there's not even a shot.

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Yeah, it's just a doctor out on your tongue. And it is probably saved more lives than any other single vaccination I can think of. You know, the last polio epidemic we had in the U S. Before the vaccine came out. Claim something like 30,000 kids lives in two years. If I recall correctly,

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A destroyed a bunch more

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and destroyed a bunch more of this whole iron lung we see sometimes in museums. That's not how you want to spend your existence. Guys

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we had. We had a good friend, Tom Tom, remember? Yeah, Yeah, he was one of

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that in deserves

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on. And he basically lost the use of his left arm. And hey, didn't live all that long either. I don't know if that had anything to do. The polio.

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Very likely. Yeah,

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but yeah, he died pretty young, nice guy.

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It tends to affect breathing muscles. So respiratory infections, things are a real deal. He would

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have been about 65 now. Had he lived so that ought to tell you about winning at it. He got when I was a kid, I think the outbreak So anyway, pressing on

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It's not a big problem in the U. S now. But there's always a small number of cases, some that come in from overseas and some that are passed along unvaccinated people, because Children are usually pretty free with their poop, too. To be honest with, you offend.

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Frankly, polio is one of the things that does appear in the Amish community. Then go back. Yeah, okay,

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so in a type of situation where water purification goes downhill for a long period of time, I'd start worrying about polio hepatitis, which is hepatitis A, which is fairly common in the population right now but not usually spread through water cause we purify the water and polio are both viruses. Those things are too small to be caught by some categories of filters. You got to read the label when you buy the thing, make sure it's catching viruses. Oh, by the way, there is an intermediate size called briquette CIA. They're like really tiny bacteria. Some of the filters that catch bacteria will stop him some won't because things like Rocky Mountain spotted fever. But most people get those from ticks.

spk_0:   24:58
Okay, I'm gonna throw it. Throw in a kicker here because one of the other things other than filtering together on the kicker what does the other things you could do other than filtering is chlorination. Does coordination kill viruses? Who she's looking up to the sky.

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She's not going thio

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not going to make you say

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that without consulting her oracles. I mean, her wiki or something, because it's an oxidizing agent, and I'm sure it's not real good for viruses. But I'm not sure that all the viruses that cause disease in humans don't have any protections that can stand that level of chlorination.

spk_0:   25:44
So is this what's known as a curveball and see? We don't know every dad gum thing. Sometimes we have to look it up, so I'm gonna get Google it. Here we go. Are you ready? I'm driving. So there's only one way I can google.

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I could get back to him in another time. Siri Google? Does chlorination kill viruses searching Google for Does coronation kill viruses? Which is exactly what was gonna happen when you try and ask Siri any dang thing about science. Not a science chick. She doesn't know the language.

spk_0:   26:21
Yeah, So we're gonna find out if if it's coronated cranking

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the king somebody if there is bleach in his water.

spk_0:   26:33
I love Siri. Most of the time, you see it that wrong, but

spk_1:   26:38
yeah, I'm not even gonna look this up later. I'll find out and we can get back to him.

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Okay? We'll get back and put it

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in the show notes when we link it, because I do want to look it up. I

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don't know if I know the water treatment does several things.

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The thing with the viruses is that they are not metabolically active until they're in one of your cells. Taken it over. Which is why they're hard to effect. But I think the oxidizing agents still do him in. But I'm not positive. The oxidize

spk_0:   27:05
wiling, doesn't it?

spk_1:   27:07
Boiling doesn't meant heat is bad for those for there. Viral bits in the interest of not getting accused of using to the long boards.

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Right. Well, the reason I was thinking as you were talking longer because one of the other things that we were gonna mention here is coronation, because that's another. That's another thing you could do. But go right ahead on the little bitty five little guy sharks.

spk_1:   27:30
The tiniest is the prion diseases like chronic wasting disease and mad cow. Which fortune? Those are individual proteins, which means they are way tinier than anything. A filter that passes that you can pass enough water through to drink is gonna stop. If you want some filter that's going to catch something that small. The pores are so small he actually got a force, the water through it, and it takes a long time. And none of the commercial water purifying stuff that I'm aware of will get rid of prions. And boiling doesn't get rid of free ons because they're extremely heat, stable proteins. The good news is they're not generally transmitted through water. I'm not saying it can't happen. I'm saying it doesn't usually happen.

spk_0:   28:24
So what we talked about it so far is filtering, and when you're looking at a filter, you know you have to. It's kind of like risk management. Get an idea of what the water is, your drinking where it's coming from. I mean, are you Are you drinking water out of a creek that's that's downstream from a catalogue.

spk_1:   28:48
Get a bacterial filter for that. I

spk_0:   28:50
mean, you really mean, Are you drinking something that's coming straight out of the ground? Like from a spring? You might think that's clear. It is clear. But that does not mean there's not Jared Ian. It it really doesn't.

spk_1:   29:03
The risk is lower, but not zero, because it's filtered by sand and silt redolent of the spring. But not it's not certain

spk_0:   29:11
re dive in caves. Okay, we dive in caves in Florida. The water is crystal clear. I mean, it is absolutely gin clear.

spk_1:   29:19
It looks better than what comes out of your tap.

spk_0:   29:22
But it's not safe to drink because of microbes. Got microbes in it. They've also got a lot of right now. They've got a lot of agriculture runoff into

spk_1:   29:33
filtering. Yeah, well, that's nitrates, and that's more of a problem for a long term ingestion, then, from I'm in an emergency would have that in a lot of surface water, too, but not honor, not at our place because we built our pond downhill of only things that are do not have either A whole bunch of pesticides or fertilizers or anything applied to him. So filtering is my best on the go option because it doesn't take the energy required to boil unless I'm making tea for the Kelly Kettle anyway. Then I got some boiled water on hand.

spk_0:   30:10
No, let's talk a little bit about Wells. You go well on your property. Let's say it's one that you use every day. If you've had it tested, government could do it. Private could do it. You know the water testing coming? It's safe. It'll be safe to use after in an emergency. You just have to figure out a way to get the water out. But

spk_1:   30:31
somewhat wall wells have water that feed down through by overt cracks in the rock right where it's not well filtered by the overlying rock layers before. And that's why you need to have them tested before you fully trust him. Or you need to filter the water that comes out of him,

spk_0:   30:50
and you should regularly test your well every year or two

spk_1:   30:53
because rock cracks erosion.

spk_0:   30:56
Yeah, now, if you're you know, if you are breaking open on old well, that used to be used, you can't trust it because the whole idea of it sitting there unused, you could just assume that there's going to be bacterial invasion into it because there was. There will be we have. We don't have a well on our property property in town, but we have a sister, and I would feel perfectly safe using the sister as a place to pull water from to start the filtering process. Sure, just like I would my iPod, but I certainly wouldn't drink that stuff straight out of sister. And my goodness. No,

spk_1:   31:44
no, absolutely not. Cats tend to carry a couple of nice Protas old diseases, and cats poop on the land, and the water's washes into sister and washes through that so filtering my favorite because it doesn't take the energy to boil, and it doesn't make the water taste funny. But in my bags, I've also got these little bitty e pill bottles of purification tablets because you could put a lot of water purification tablets in a little bitty tiny space. And as far as I've read their heat stable, which keep my bag in my car in the summer, so that's an issue and they're cold stable, and I keep my bag in my car on the winner. So that's an issue

spk_0:   32:25
now. Not all water filters arm cold, stable. I want you to pay attention to this, and you carry a live straw if it freezes your done,

spk_1:   32:35
especially if it freezes while it's wet. Because it's the ice crystals cracking open the filter.

spk_0:   32:41
So just that's it. That's an issue. Yeah, I don't I don't leave my filters. My life stopped builders in the car. I used my X elect A Sawyer filters better, but that's that's me. Their little we're not getting joint into brand names are main. Our main main bug out bag filter for a big bug out bag is one of those really good really, really, really expensive containment Tatton filters that does do viruses.

spk_1:   33:14
That virus

spk_0:   33:15
does everything with pretty

spk_1:   33:16
and you get a decent flow through of water so you can collect a usable amount of water.

spk_0:   33:21
They're not free. And then we have for our house. If we if we need it, we have ah, Big Burkey. Big Burke. You save the virus system. So So they're just a big It's a big device. So the water flow is a reasonable rage through three elements that we have. It can come through pretty quickly. We actually don't have assembled at the moment because we got it for emergencies. Why start wearing it out now? So anyway,

spk_1:   33:53
purification tablets are a nice in my mind backup option

spk_0:   33:57
right now.

spk_1:   33:57
They're not, by the way. Light stable. Don't let him sit in the light.

spk_0:   34:02
Good point. But

spk_1:   34:03
keep in the dark and they're good. Long term. Leech will do the same thing. But I'm not gonna go through the instructions right here.

spk_0:   34:10
I'm gonna touch the bleach and pool shock. Hydra shock. We'll do a post on the pocket because it's more of a specific kind of thing. You gotta look for exactly the right ingredients. You can use bleach. You can use pool shock. Hydra shock. But it's gotta be the right one. You gotta make sure it is bleach and nothing else. Sodium hypochlorite. Sodium hydrochloride is the only ingredient.

spk_1:   34:39
And okay, we'll table that one to be used later. It's an option,

spk_0:   34:43
right? But know what you're doing before you do that and then watch your What's your what? You're dozing off that

spk_1:   34:54
I have a problem with bleach in that I know that many people don't drink as much as they should when they're out in the heat. Right? And if you don't work out in the heat regularly, then you're not very well. He'd adapted. And getting here fatigue or outright heat stroke becomes a heck of a lot more likely. And that's dangerous. Heat stroke and kill you. Right? And borderline dehydration will sap your energy and sap your ability to do stuff.

spk_0:   35:29
Sorry. We were having a GPS moment.

spk_1:   35:32
Yeah, the GPS just

spk_0:   35:34
started to send us somewhere. I have no idea. Some random.

spk_1:   35:40
I think some hacker hacked into our GPS and trying to lead us out some place in the woods to sell us a summer vacation property.

spk_0:   35:49
Just like what? Where is it? Something else I just had on for the speed. Yeah, so, yes. I'm sorry. We

spk_1:   35:57
have portable ways to purify your water, know how to use him.

spk_0:   36:01
And also one of the things I hear about people with boiling what I look, boil water takes flat. Well, just put it in a container and shake it for a while.

spk_1:   36:12
It's taste. It doesn't have enough opposition so

spk_0:   36:15
that just re oxygenates it

spk_1:   36:17
in. Carbon dioxide makes tank.

spk_0:   36:19
Yeah, so just shake it in 1/2 full container, water bottle, whatever. Just fill it up. Half would shake it real good and locked. Re oxygenate the water, tastes better.

spk_1:   36:32
And make sure you drink enough of it. Because if you try and scrimp on water too much, he open yourself up to a bunch of other problems. Not only heat stroke, but if you do it chronically kidney stones and I stone cold guarantee you do not want any of those. Particularly if no good medical care is close at hand.

spk_0:   36:51
So yeah, water. There we are. We're gonna We're gonna do another complete show on sanitation and dysentery and not right at the moment. We're But

spk_1:   37:00
in the meantime, don't get any dysentery.

spk_0:   37:03
In the meantime yet help. We'll help you out here. Don't get dysentery.

spk_1:   37:07
Always a good tip.

spk_0:   37:08
Clean your water. Drink on lee. Clean water. Cook your food washer hand

spk_1:   37:14
brush your teeth,

spk_0:   37:15
Brush your teeth brush.

spk_1:   37:17
Make your ice cubes out of it. If you're making ice,

spk_0:   37:20
I ask you that many water.

spk_1:   37:22
Wash your vegetables in it,

spk_0:   37:24
wash your vegetables more than you think you need to. Most people just rentzer vegetable off. It looks good. Uh, you can catch. You can get some really nasty diseases from lettuce.

spk_1:   37:37
Mostly. That's from the E. Coli in the water it was sprayed on. That's right. I know you hate iceberg. Lettuce is the devil just on his anti iceberg lettuce kick Here,

spk_0:   37:49
iceberg lettuce is the devil way live in the Midwest, home of the iceberg Lettuce were diagrams a little bit, and, uh, because it's always good to digress a little bit. And I despise iceberg lettuce. I like Romain. I like some of the other iceberg Lettuce is the devil. It's like packing material that wilts. There's no use for iceberg lettuce other than to destroy the taste of food. Anyway.

spk_1:   38:14
OK, now that your opinions on that subject have been registered

spk_0:   38:19
Okay, well, we'll

spk_1:   38:19
drink up, drink clean,

spk_0:   38:21
We're gonna call this one, and we'll catch on the next show. As always. If you want to help us, you don't record this and just tack it on to the end of everything

spk_1:   38:32
that gets ignored. As soon as you put on the recording that people have heard before

spk_0:   38:36
because we may tell a joke it yet. There's a chance the chance you'll hear joke Atienza Gotta hang with it through the through the

spk_1:   38:44
part where we ask you to spread the word about this broadcast with your for your social media

spk_0:   38:50
or your frenemies. We don't care people you don't even like to spread the word about the podcast and about the site beans, bullets, bandages and you dot com. I am salty

spk_1:   39:05
and I'm spice trying to help you thrive no matter what happens.

spk_0:   39:10
And you know what? There's no sharks here. New shorts.

spk_1:   39:15
I've never had that problem. I never considered it. You learn something new every day. That's right. I've swum with sharks and I didn't even consider that we're gonna eat me then.

spk_0:   39:24
Except that one big white tip. Oceanic. I didn't

spk_1:   39:27
swim with him.

spk_0:   39:27
Wait. Look to the boat. Hell, he's

spk_1:   39:32
considered that and considered he can have the water.

spk_0:   39:37
Okay, what's the next time? Thanks