Episode 135: Regulated & Stocked

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Hello, everybody.

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Hello, everybody. And welcome to the show The big show, The show that has me kind of head a little still, a little bit of tomato in my mouth. And I had, like, finish it off. I thought I was done with it. Welcome to the big show. We just had some tomatoes, some grape, tomato sweet but sweet one hundred's

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supersweet 100

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Super Sweet 100. If you're growing cherry tomatoes thes are the ones to grow. In my opinion, they really I take these a bowl of these to the office. And if you ever played final fantasy, I don't do computer games. But I did like this. Well, back of the Nintendo days. Have you ever played the original version of Final Fantasy? There was something called a sod. It was a monster. And whatever you gotta do, a conflict of the kid's little song came on. It would be like D to get the e d D D D d d That's what this feels like, what with you hated the bowl down. It's like snap and all the hands just go see empty at the office on break time. So yeah, they love it when I plant a ridiculous amount of these way have a ridiculous amount of the things

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she experiment. Turned out well, we over planted because when you're experimenting, that's what you do. If you want to make sure you get some

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and we got some, these were some of my seedlings and I must say they were This part of it was an unqualified success, so they're very good. We're gonna talk about bounty today in a different way. This this is podcast we're recording to accompany an article I wrote that you will be able to read the same day. The podcast always comes out before the article, and that's due to the way we have to do things. We have to have the podcast posted before the article links. In case you're ever wondering why we post the podcast in the morning and the article comes up in the in the afternoon. That's why it happens that way or the evening we're on Greenwich mean time. So we publish our articles at eight o'clock Eastern seven Central daylight savings time and changes of course with yeah, the time change. But of course, also Greenwich mean time does not. So I wrote an article, and, um, it is about conceptions that people have living off the land

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hunting and fishing living off the land. Because if you want to harvest court's full of food day after day, living off the land, you plant yourself some super sweet one hundred's. You don't expect to go out there and hunt and fish it out right now. You may be able to go out right now. I would be able to go out right now to the place and have a pretty good chance on any given day of getting a pretty good shot at a deer or turkey or both or three deer. Or, you know,

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I would almost guarantee if we spent the entire day at the place. You could shoot a deer. Today,

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most days when I've given it a walk of at least an hour, I would have gotten more than one shot big game,

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even. Yeah, even I either going to the pond and you know that Yeah,

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and I go. I go in my box very early in the morning and very late the evenings. That's what was it like a

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zillion good hides around the pond, like up on the up on the top edge across the pond.

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Not that we built it there on purpose. She lied.

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Yeah, but having said that, you're talking about three dear five, dear. That's in the long run of things, not a sustainable food supply. And this is just assuming that nobody else is hunting the critters. Okay, The premise of my article on the premise of our podcast today I'm just gonna lay it out in front of you that we could talk about the details. I don't think that a lot of people have ever really thought about game. I don't think a lot of people have ever really thought about quote unquote the country. And I buy that. I don't mean the United States of America. I mean the land out here in the hinterlands, the

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wilder places

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land the wilder places. Yes,

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this isn't wild here, but it's wilder

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than Creve core or Chevy Chase or, uh, Bel Air. Or, you know, probably name it.

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It's wild. Any

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suburb is wilder than that. So this is There's two parts of this. First of all, we go back to the land we go back to. There's three types of places that you can bug out to talk about this performer. I want to make sure everybody's on bored with this. There's the bug out way that you own or rent or have permission to be on. That's one good afternoon. You've got public lamps. That's two or you've got the land that you're trespassing upon. That's three. There is no unknown land in the United States. All the land is owned by somebody already. Even you might say, even the land kill away is in Hawaii is paving. Ah, big new, beautiful extension of land. It's probably 150 feet bigger than it was before this eruption. But you know what that new land stated already owned by the state of Hawaii, and it will be owned by the state of away because the State of Hawaii owns all the beach. Is that something a lot of people don't realize? This way, nobody builds on the beach in Hawaii, not on the beach, because it's all state land. Hawaii is a bit of a, uh, control freak state. Yeah, we're just gonna leave it at that. We're not We don't do politics here. But it's probably the only reason we're not already living in Hawaii is because they're much control freaks there, huh?

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So you may be able to go out on any given weekend. Now hunt fish, get food and

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assuming it's in season legally, if it's not a secretly season, they call it poaching. But you could if we have a really bad situation of the stuff hits the fan. Poaching rules are not going to be the first problem that pops up or they're not going to force

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unless you choose Option three hunting on private land.

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Unless you choose Option three and then you're probably not gonna be so worried about the game owner or the

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game or

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game warden, you're probably going to need to be more worried about the guy who knows where all the holes that your body will never be found in on his land. And if you think I'm joking, I assure you, I am not. I know these are my people out here, and I know what will happen if the stuff hits the fan. People come out onto their land, their private property, the stuff that they owe with pride

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and they're counting on Thio. Feed their families with

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right. That's how they're feeding their Children. If you think you're going to come out there and take their food out of the mouth of your Children of their Children, you are mistaken because they know the land better than you do guns better than you do. Most likely and frankly, they're all neighbors. They don't win your comment. They see a drive past. They see you walk past. You don't have a chance. I want to get this out there because I need people understand. If they're planning on bugging out, this is a really thing. Now, even if you do get it, this is the 0.2. So even if you do get out there, you're liable to be very shocked at the amount of game that is available. Why is that? Because it is highly conclave. Almost all of the game species are highly controlled by the state. We're not getting into politics. Were not. This is not a political discussion. It's

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just a fact of how it is

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just a fact of how it is and I'm gonna use. The state of Missouri State of Missouri is actually fairly, uh, good about their wildlife management, one of the things that they actually do very well because they're not super intrusive. But they are, you know, pretty there,

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and they offer a lot of help if you ask for it. They are exceptionally helpful if if land owners asked for help in management, they have a lot of tools and assistance available.

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And, frankly, they are on Lion Ownersside because the people who do the things that requires toe have healthy wildlife. Yeah, so But let's just take what are the big? The big populations of game animals, like in Missouri, would stick Missouri because it's a fairly good example. We have a lot of the big game. We don't have much elk. We it's being reintroduced in the state, but right now it's not there. We have dear, a

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lot of white tail deer. Big, fat way,

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say lots, you know. But last is a relative thing.

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Lots of a lot until you start shooting them every week, and then they become not very much, and it's

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a very regulated amount. They do a deer population senses now, since it's every year, they know how many deer in all of these different counties, and they want to keep it at a certain level. And so they control the hunting permits that they allow to keep the deer population at a certain sustainable level. Let's be clear about this. That sustainable level is for the amount of deer that beacon stained and hunting over a two week period.

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Because that's how long the serious gun season last.

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Here's a digression in case you ever see this while they're already cut him here, I knew they would be making silage. That's not yesterday. If you ever want driving through the country and you just see a row are like 468 10 rows of corn and anything else is cut. What's going on there is the gun ahead and cut it for silage. And that's going to be a claim on, uh, crop insurance. Crop insurance for drought.

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It's been so dry the crop of the corn crop is gonna be nothing. So their continent for silage to have something to feed the cattle through the winter

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are you are

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not going to get a corn crop, and they leave up enough so the insurance adjuster

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can do you have to leave up on inspection, just pick a row and go, because it really doesn't matter. All these this entire area we're in, it's going to silage. Yeah, Silence. We're not gonna get a corn crop here.

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Which also means it's not gonna be a great dear yer. That's right. The deer is a lot of the gear. Here are feed off of the corn. Ah, lot of the farmers here, they just give up the last pass of the combine around the edge of the field. They know they're gonna get squad out of that because the deer have been eating from the edges all season long since it started turning green.

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Yeah. Yes, that's another thing too. You know, these are the guys that fed these stupid beer. Beer costs him a lot of money. Does he eat a lot of corners with price of corn? Right now, you know, a bushel of corn is pretty. You know, last time I checked was about seven bucks that that's gets to be real money because he's saying, if you eat an acre of corn and the normal years a 200 bushels, what's 200 times seven Ah, lot of money. So the stupid dear I mean, the deer are very well regulated turkeys not nearly as well regulated, but their self regulating. And there we have a lot of predators and they actually are. Predators are really at a high level right now. We're probably gonna have a pretty good predator die off in the next year or so as the prey species are really struggling with the predation pressure. Yeah, and the drought we're having. It's really putting a lot of pressure on you, But in this area where we are When I first moved here in the eighties, we had lots of lots of turkey, lots of whale. We they introduced pheasants.

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Actually, an Asian species

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is the Korean visit. The ring neck, beautiful birds because they were, um, highly compatible and not a bird that had there were a bird that could be had natural predators here. The turkey's predators will do the pheasants, and they're a really nice game bird and, frankly, money because people pay money to hunt them. So there's that a lot of this hunting thing, it comes down to money and don't come back to them. So without getting too far, of course. Highly regulated. And that's something people don't realize. It just all got where the game is. The game is regulated, and the numbers are sufficient for the hunting seasons that are currently in place by the pressure put on by the number of hunters who currently hunt. This is a big, totally misunderstood, totally ignored fact by people who think they're gonna come out in the country. You're not gonna have things to kill.

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The number of tags are limited by the number of prey the conservation Department knows you can take and remain sustainable.

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Okay, So okay, maybe I won't. Maybe I won't be able to make my living hunting, so I'll fish for living. Let's go with fishing, right? Take fishing for me. Go

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fishing. If you want to take the occasional bluegill or bass out of the previously stocked Missouri Foreign pond, that, or like that is gonna work. But most of these ah lakes and ponds were stocked in the beginning of certainly ours waas with a certain number of species and certain types of species. Some of those canary produce where they are in some camp, I was told when I stopped the catfish. How often I would should restock the catfish because, well, two, the catfish will be quite happy living in our little foreign pound at the place. They won't actually reproduce there because the conditions they need to reproduce or not sufficient grass carp will not reproduce in all these lakes and ponds rather than stocked.

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Not that there are food fish, but they're very important fish.

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They can be a food fish if you really need food. People don't eat them now because they're not taste in their full of little boat. It's not as bad as that. I've tried him. It's bad, but it's not as bad a style red. I would not eat the paste off the walls that was holding the, um, wall coverings on first. But those species don't reproduce there at all, and you can fish out upon of even the non stock species, the species that can reproduce in place. You can fish out upon from those by overfishing it very quickly, especially since the people get desperate for food. I tell you, phoning for fish is gonna be right back out photon for fish. That's a nice digression for this one, don't you think? Oh, yeah. While

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you had Tom, what voted for faces back

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in the day when they first put out public your force put out telephones, they weren't inherently connected to the power wire. He generated your own power. The same your signal with the hand crank.

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She said she got the hand.

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Yeah, I got my hand crank going. So those old telephones or the little cranks on the side, that's what that was about. And so there are a lot of these old hand crank telephones, which are really manual electricity generators, that people had weapons inherent in the telephone. So when the telephone technology changed the, uh, country people, let's put it in the slightest possible terms of Billy's. Billy's decided the telephone up. Some fish worked Great. You take the old telephone box off the wall? Uh, no. I've only done it with a conservation agent who used an actual electrical shocker. I've never used a telephone for

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I take the fifth of May.

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I have never used dynamite for it. I've never done that. Uh, yeah, I've seen it done, but I have never done it. At any rate, you take the old crank telephone. You dipped the wires in the water. You crank away on that sucker to electrify the water. It stuns the fish. They float up to the top. Yes. Suck him all up with a big net. Look at all the fish I caught. You're done. The ultimate prank call that's telephoning fish. Dynamiting is when you take a percussive like a one of those super big firework firecrackers or straight up dynamite blow up on underwater in a pond. The actual explosion doesn't kill much, But the percussive wave kills or stuns. They float to the surface and you suck him up.

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I would not be ridiculously mad if somebody telephoned fish in my pond as long as they didn't, like, clean out my pond. But somebody starts dropping dynamite in my pond. I'm gonna have a problem with that. Damn, it's stout. We built the world status. Damn

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dumb is not going in. I don't know.

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I'm guaranteeing you that dam is so overbuilt.

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Seal team six could dynamite fish in our pond and the dam would still be there. So we're all made me and my

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damn thing. A fear about classing deal. Well, that dam is not gonna clap. Get ding gonna be?

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Yeah, well, quickly enough dirt for a much bigger damn further down. But we ran into some.

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We hit some rocks,

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glacial rock issues, tables,

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even overbuilt for why, But we had to make the pond it up a little smaller that we wanted to because of the foundation of the rocks. But it's fine. I mean, we wanted it Probably double the size it is, but it is what it is. We built the palm that the ground would allow us to build.

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Here's the thing, though, you know, without following the fishing regulations that are currently in place. And the hunting regulations are currently in place. Before they had all those rules, dear. Almost extinct in Missouri Darn turkey. It was a blue moon when somebody actually managed to shoot a turkey because they were so rare they weren't gone. But Turkey are a little more wily than dear. Smart is not a word I'd use you go Trento trying to shoot him. All of a sudden, they look a lot smarter than they look Five minutes before

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you want one of those super duper cinnamon rolls Now just best place. Oh, there's this place has this, like plate size seven rolls. I got, like, 1000 calories. And if they're really good, though,

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I love cinnamon rolls. Salty knows that. But he made me breakfast some

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good, her resting right along.

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Before we had the game regulations. You couldn't get very much meat at all off the land other than the tame species because they were hunted out and fished out. And that would happen even more quickly if you had a bunch of people who now live in cities and don't hunt and fish regularly trying and small towns. A lot of the people in the small towns don't get much of their meat that way. Either. We don't everybody goes out and starts hitting up. The natural resource is that's gonna work really great for about a week, and that's gonna be about the end of that. And that's the problem. So you can't really depend on that as a long term lasting source who's going to still be able to get game food? The very sparse people wandering out in the very remote and unpopulated parts of the country? Yeah, people out there in Teddy Roosevelt National Park who are willing to hike over 20 miles of up and down steep rocky hills on dry ground. Those guys are still gonna be getting a shot at their antelope.

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Oh, let me tell you what it's going to know where that is. That is, in the remote ist parts of North Dakota. And when you're in the remote assed parts of North Dakota, you're out there a little ways.

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North Dakota runs toward remote because and it's a remote part of it.

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Beautiful state does this summer. Yeah, but

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you won't want to be out there on the winner. But still, it's It would be an awfully hard place to make a living. You gotta cover so dang much ground to get something. And then, Okay, I've got £200 of meat obu 15 or £20 from where my ar 15 or 20 miles from where my family is. Don't know if you've ever tried to carry that much meat that far. I haven't. But I've got two brain cells to rub together, and, yeah, that's not working.

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So here's the thing. The deer that are in misery there's actually like five different kinds of deer, and I'm like, really going the story through five different kinds of deer in the Midwest. Florida, Texas. They're different kinds of deer. And the reason that the that the deer population is so different in the different areas is because when they were basically Maur or less hunted to extinction in these areas, they had to be reintroduced, and they were reintroduced from other areas. For example, the Texas dears came from Mexico, and although they do have very nice racks and stuff like that, the deers are much smaller than they are here in Missouri

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to Missouri. And they look like ponies with dear ex are not ponies. Big dogs with Iraq's on.

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Yeah, but the deer here are actually Saskatchewan dear to come down from the sky. That's not the breed, but that's where they come from. They brought it. Who's the Canadians were I don't want to say they were smarter than they were. They were a lot scarcer than we were. There just worked.

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And a lot of open yeah, barely inhabited land in Canada.

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Yeah, really. You know, when she get past the 1st 100 miles next to the border, it gets real sparse up there. Beautiful place to visit is the summer in December. So anyway, so this is the deer here. We're already introduced. And that in itself is part of what the problem is that we have, because the genetics of the deer are not good there. Inbred, inbred. Yeah, And for deer that matter. So is one of the reasons we have so many problems with disease. Here, with dear is they don't have hybrid vigor. And first of all, let's stop here. This is kind of important to understand, not just for dear, but why it's important to bring in people into communities from the outside. So you don't get on in here, in here, in here, in here, in here, in here, in your

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Nina ni ni ni.

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So you don't get all like deliverance. You know what I'm saying? And get totally inbred. So what is hybrid vigor in

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Turns it over to the biologist. Here we go. So everybody has two different genes for almost all the traits one inherited from their one copy inherited from the mother one copy inherited from their father. If those two varieties are different, it's like having two different recipes for how to make lasagna. But sometimes in the copying of genetic information from one cell to another, something goes wrong and you get a mutation. Some of those mutations are helpful, but mostly not most of the harmful. So every now and then, somebody old have a copying error, and they end up with a gene that no longer produces what that gene was supposed to produce. Well, if you just inherit one copy that's like that you're usually okay because I got a good lasagna recipe for Mom. I got a lasagna recipe from Dad that's missing a page SAR, right? I can still make some lasagna. I'm good to go.

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Not exactly sure what? It's gonna come out Flag, but it'll still be lasagne. I might even actually really good. It might even be better than maybe I should write this down because it might be better. It might not be as good, so probably get reproduced as much in the future. We probably won't make it that way again.

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Yep, hybrid vigor is when you have a lot of genetic variability in a population. Because different subgroups of the population were bred to each other create the offspring. The opposite of that is inbreeding. One member of lovely inbreeding story. When one member of the British royal family, one of their princesses, had a spontaneous mutation that broke a particular gene for a blood clotting protein. And since royalty of Europe would only met Mary other royalty of Europe, they were essentially marrying their own fairly close blood relatives. One genetic mutation got spread around so much that there were some I believe it was. Eight crown princes over the next 50 years died of this genetic hemophilia from that one person having a mutation. If one person has a bad event and you get both copies from the same family, it's easy to end up with two copies. They're broken now. You just don't know how to make lasagna at all, and you're kind of in

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trouble as a slight digression. One of the weird, strange things that we can say about world history use that if that woman did not have that ancestor woman did not have that strange little mutation, we would probably not have communism in this world. As strange as that sounds, that's a completely different subject. But It's true because the son of Czar Nicholas of Russia would not have been a hemophiliac, which would not have brought around the Rasputin thing which precipitated the

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, this s your best moment, really

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is life. It's a butterfly effect moment that one thing led to communism in this world.

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You gotta much stronger argument that it led to the downfall of the European monarchies because they had so many secession crises because it's selectively affected male Children. Sorry, guys, if you've got a Y chromosome, you've only got one X. And that means if you get a bad copy from Mom for the genes that are on the X chromosome, you're out a lot.

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And if you look at the outstanding monarchs in the late monarchy theme, who were they? They were Victoria, a woman. You look at the the the important monarchs of Britain who were male. You got Kaiser Wilhelm, who was kind of a dud. He was just not much of a guy. You got Nicholas kind of like his cousin Kaiser will have. Most people don't realize that Czar of Russia in the the Kaiser of Germany, who fought in World War two. They were first cousins, both grandchildren of Queen Victoria of England. This is how inbred this was. Well, we have the same thing here with our dear and so the deer, Um and we also not only have this genetic thing, but we also have got a really strong, selective pressure going on here, too, because hunters like really big racks. So we're having dear being bred. Most people don't realize this, but dear being bred for these big, huge racks and the offspring are you. If you go on to somebody's land and you're hunting on their land and you're leasing their land, there's a very good chance you're gonna have a rule that you cannot touch a dear unless a male deer, unless his rack is at a certain level. You have to let the young ones go because they're trying to develop the really big trophy racks as my good friend who ever interviewed a couple of times Now, I would say, you know, basketball professional hunter, right? Special hundreds outfitter. Back when we were younger, we used to talk about like That's an eight point dear is really nice, dear. Uh, that was how we talk about, you know? Hey, I got an eight point and he had a really nice rack, right? I I got a 10 point was Really? That's not how people do it today. The actual hunting subculture has changed too well. What did it score? Will want it. It's score. It's a complete re emphasis on a specific type of rack and

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shape shape writer and all kinds of weird things

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to the deer population and the and the actually growing population.

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If you breed to emphasize those qualities and they do, then you can't have everything. When you're breeding, you can't breed for every trait they're not breeding for disease resistance and not breeding for vigor. They're not breeding for good immune systems. They're breeding for big right, and they're

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not breeding for deer that make good eating. That has nothing to do with it. Were as a survivalist, prepper type person, we think, dear, we're not thinking what'll it score. We're thinking, How will it taste? How many pounds of meat can I get off of it? So this is a whole different thing. Most people don't know this.

spk_1:   31:53
I would be going for a big fat book myself. And I might if I start haunting the place.

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Okay, now that's That's one side of it. We know this is going to happen, that if the stuff it's the fan and neither was really expect this to happen, but we're going to try and be prepared for it.

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But really, that's one of the things the proper community is interested in preparing for. So and But you're gonna plan for that, have realistic plans.

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I'm gonna tell you the truth. The truth is, these big animals, these dear, they're smart, they clever, They're smart, they're stupid. His act. But they're canny. They will not let you shoot them. What's the first day of deer season's over? You're gonna have a real trouble finding here because they know how o cruddy everybody's getting shot today. I think I'll go hide. They're not that dumb. And you'll you'll never find them unless you know where your hunting you will not find them. Unless you know exactly where they go

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and know where to find our dear.

spk_0:   33:05
Yeah, well, see, that's just it. Where the landowners we know these things. Yeah, we know these things you don't. And if you're on public land. You're gonna be competing with all these other people. So you're likely to get shot by one of them, as you are to shoot a deer. To be honest with you, No, The other side of this coin is what is going to be available for your hungry family. What are you gonna be able to find? Well, there's a lot of really, really big Carinthia was booed tasty animals out there, the coal cows, and it's going to be a temptation. You're gonna be really hard to find. But cows are all over the place.

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America has a long standing tradition of shooting people for rustling cattle. That's what A is A really still happens out here because people still rustle cattle and people still get shot over it.

spk_0:   34:05
Yeah, it's going to start looking like a really good idea to start feeding your family using somebody else's cattle. Well, let me tell you, that is a good way to have a very short yet walkie. It will not last long for you if you start doing that

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And pigs, by the way, we'll fight back.

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And the people who own those pigs shoot you. So here's the thing. I don't necessarily have good answers for you, but it's not my job to have answers for you. It's your job to have answers for you.

spk_1:   34:45
I think the probability of making your living by hiring out as a farmhand because they're gonna need a lot more hands to get these crops in is a heck of a lot better than trying to live by hunting.

spk_0:   34:57
You know, this is this is your What we're trying to do here is just point out that we have observations and concerns about what we see people talking about and saying they believe a lot of people are, you know, you are preppers. Just don't I'm not saying this is you, but a lot of people don't understand. Just don't get the fact that they're not coming out here to the country and going to live off the land. It's not going to happen without you having a previous arrangement or plan or something. So I don't know what you're gonna do, but you need to figure out what you're going. D'oh! I know what we're gonna do. We've got ours cover one way or the other. And it's

spk_1:   35:54
one reason we emphasize so strongly the ability to produce your own food because agriculture has always produced the most food per effort. Since the end of the last ice age, that's been the most efficient food production method humans have come up with.

spk_0:   36:11
And this is one of the reasons we all we're talking about things like mutual assistance groups or good strong neighborhoods because you couldn't you just can't do it alone. You can't do it alone. You can't guard your garden 24 7 You know you can't guard your house 24 7 You can't do it. There's not enough people you're gonna need to get together and work with other people. The lone wolf thing Just unless you are Bear Grylls. And I'm talking about the actual what he supposedly stands for, Not the guy, because I think he's a

spk_1:   36:52
puts his name on. Yeah, he just puts his standing in

spk_0:   36:55
Chinese made, But except, you know, unless you're really these guys, unless you're out there eating pine cones daily, you're not gonna make it. I'm not gonna make I'm not this guy. I couldn't do it. I'd be dead.

spk_1:   37:11
I couldn't either. Enough. Got some food finding in production skills. But I have no illusions that they would allow me to survive long term if I wasn't cultivating some things. Because I know how much effort goes into collecting those calories.

spk_0:   37:26
So yeah, so the take away I want to give everybody is the the The game that is out there in the in the ponds, in the lakes, in the out here is either stocked or regulated to a level of pressure that is far, far, far lower than what would happen most of this stuff. It's event.

spk_1:   37:51
Large bodies of water near big populations of people are continuously stocked to make them fun deficient.

spk_0:   38:00
Yes, and it's paid for by your fishing licenses, That's what. Charge. Yeah, I'm not opposed. Well, I don't want to get to the political side of it, but I'm not opposed to publicly stocked lakes. Okay,

spk_1:   38:16
but you need to know that's what they are.

spk_0:   38:17
Exactly. You need to know that those fish don't just show up there. Yes, there is some reproduction, but the pressure is much, much, much higher. Then what could be naturally sustained? We live in an area with one of the biggest fisheries in this part of the country. And so we're very from I know the guy who owns it really well, and they stock ponds and lakes Municipal Lakes, Department of Conservation legs. They stocked ponds and lakes all across the Midwest, and every day you'll see their trucks rolling out of there, filled with fish, going to some Laker other to stock it every day. Some of these lakes air stopped multiple times a year. If that stocks are stops, or if the pressure on that leg increases efficient is gonna get real tight, my friends, real tight. I just want you to know that's what's gonna happen.

spk_1:   39:26
Expect if we do end up living off the place, that fish pond is going to be the occasional fish toe toe. Add some some nice protein and enjoy a nice fish fry. It's not going to be where we're getting most of our daily calories,

spk_0:   39:44
and we don't fish it now. We absolutely do not fishing. She fished it once, just to see what would happen on a throwback basis, just to see if you could catch anything until those fisher stupid they talkto they a bit.

spk_1:   39:58
I made three castes. I caught three fish. I saw what I needed to see

spk_0:   40:02
and the fish went back. So no, there we are. Be real. But that's a larder. Tow us. That is our larder, our food on the fin.

spk_1:   40:15
And we know how to not over efficient that's gonna

spk_0:   40:19
help us with. That means just not fishing it at all, because we don't want to. But we also do things to increase the amount of fish that can be your own. And they're like putting in more cover. We got to do more of that this year. We got put in some of this fall

spk_1:   40:31
will cover. I put in a little bit more this year. While you're

spk_0:   40:33
right, I've got a couple ideas and we'll talk about those. Um, I gotta actually got a friend who wants to give me a couple of old metal.

spk_1:   40:42
We'll talk about that later.

spk_0:   40:43
Okay. Uh, we'll talk about that later, okay? We'll let you go. Thank you for listening. And we'll catch you the next time