Episode 132: Exploring prepper fitness

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Hello, everybody.

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Good morning. Evening. Afternoon. The show. The big show. The most critically important podcast that is recorded in our car. And that's right. We are on the road again today. We're driving around the corner and we see a bunch of people out there wearing orange, picking up. Try picking up the trash. That would be a local for age club out there keeping the roadside cleaned up, which is great if

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it was for a chunk of it was all parents, parent aged

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people. Because for H, kids don't actually do anything. And for agent Oh, I cannot Oh, boy, you you must never

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write Words have

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ever criticized for h is doom and death to do so. Country rule number one for H is sacrosanct and above all else or Els. So now that I've stepped in it, big old cow pie Oh, um, of information there, we're gonna get to talk we're doing in mystery episode today. It's a mystery to you, and it's a mystery to my co host Spice. So I am salty.

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I'm spice

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and the case we had mentioned it, but I'm gonna I'm introducing something that she we're adding a new section to our website and she doesn't even know what it is. But when did I say it should go? Okay, I'm down. I know her. I've been married to her for over 30 by 40 years now. No, not for 25 Seems we've been married for 12 Happy years and 24 total. Just kidding. Joke people.

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Guys have to make that joke. I think it's the law.

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It is a law and she's a real good sport about now, we're gonna talk about a new section we're adding, and this, I doubt will be a very popular section amongst people. But we're doing it anyway because we are beans, bullets, bandages and you. And we're trying to get the information out there to the public that we have that we know that the public prepping public needs and one of the things that's pretty obvious the prepping public needs is to focus on their health now a little bit more. So we're introducing the prepper health section of our website.

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Proper health

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rapper. Health it. We have a, uh, Annette expert, somebody who would work you into the ground, most likely unless you're an aerobics instructor. and even then depends on what you're doing. Whether she'll work you in the ground. And then you've got a guy like me who grudgingly comes along and does his 45 minutes of cardio a day. Unless it's a beautiful day and riding my bike and then I don't mind, you know, I'm the grudging guy doing it to maintain at least a minimum amount of cardiovascular health.

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Kind of like I will lift weights

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so that my blood pressure, my blood sugar, my all the other stuff at my absolute sclerosis, my, uh, cholesterol cat stuff stays down. And, um, you know, so far so good. I'm a big guy. I admit I'm a really big guy, and I go in and get a blood test and hopefully this continues. Could I got one coming up? But in the past, I've been going so see, in the past, I've been going in and they were looking at my blood test going. He's right. I really do. I look like a typical meat and taters. A guy that should have blood pressure 1 75 over 1 25 Now I do have to watch my blood pressure. I'll be honest with that. And I should have cholesterol level in the three hundred's, not by down close roles. Actually, Really good. She works out really, really, really hard, and she's mine's better than hers. And that's because of genetics.

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He chose his parents better than I chose mine. As far as

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blood pressure goes

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after, it's Flores is good. Yeah, Yeah, a little, but

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not in all levels. Her prints were pretty cool. Um,

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I liked him,

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but as faras throw sclerosis and blood pressure and stuff like that, they weren't great.

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They didn't give me a good genetic draw, but you gotta play the hand you're dealt, guys. So

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part of the first part of knowing are playing. The hand you're dealt is knowing what's going on. So you do have to keep going in and getting the blood tests and do it during the physicals. And so we're gonna come up with a whole bunch

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notice. By the way, DNA testing was not on that list of things you should probably be doing to know where you are. I think there are over interpret those results to a very high degree. The marketing has jumped ahead of the science to a very large extent on those guys

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so that DNA testing has nothing to do with your health. I'm not saying that that DNA testing,

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I don't bother.

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Okay, So anyway, long story short, we're going to start talking about some of the things that we think everybody should be concentrating on because stuff hits the fan situations. Whether they be your personal stuff, hit the fan situation. Yeah. Nation wide state wide area wide worldwide. However, they are a come as you are a disaster because you're gonna be in the middle of the disaster and you're gonna be as you are. You're not gonna be. Oh, yeah. Let me get six months to get myself buff Before that disaster happen. It won't be that way. Whatever it is, whether it's your, um, truck Aksel falls out of your car or your truck and you've gotta walk 15 miles back to town, You know, that's a disaster of a minor scale, but it could be a really big disaster if you can't walk.

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Not to mention having a heart attack at any point. Time is its very own disaster.

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It happened again this year. It happened to a guy I know Very, very, very well. Um, he went out. Guy was looked fit. He went out. One of my neighbors. Oh, yeah. We gotta run and whistle pig in front of us,

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and he's running right down the

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middle of the road. Come on, whistle. Big.

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Bad choice.

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He's a furry little whistle pig.

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Yeah, he hasn't fully shut out yet.

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In case you don't know what a whistle pig is. A ground hog ground hog day today. Yeah, but this neighbor minor went out to shovel snow. He's a hard working. He's the guy that the kind of guy that would never back down. He was, ah, hardworking man. He worked at a ricotta quote. Real job. A real man's job. Um, hard contract id, labor type stuff. And hey, was the kind of guy who, if you were working with him and you stopped to take a rest, he'd give you the look or kind of needle. Use it. Come on, now. We're here to work. Well, he fell over dead shoveling snow this winter. Why? Because he wasn't in good cardio shape. You smoked And frankly, he didn't rest. What he felt like he needed to rest. He pressed on. And you know it won't kill you unless it does now. Obviously, he had an undiagnosed heart problem. But, you know, he was also one of these guys is Ah, yeah. I haven't been feeling great, but I'm not going to go see the doctor, Because until I ready to fall over dead, well, sometimes you don't get that choice. Sometimes you just follow your dad instead of going to see the doctor. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna We're not really gonna introduce a whole lot of things here in this podcast because we're gonna introduce the overtime in the series. But one thing that that sparked my sparked my I thought about Theo opening gambit of our series, I think is a very realistic place to start. It was a conversation. I was having the spice in the car here just before we started assessment. You know where you're going. You have to know where you are. Okay, True. And now she is. Ah, Physiologist. Somebody

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stole the body works.

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This is what she does for a living. And I always you know, I like tech toys. I do I mean, I'm a guy and guys like tech toys. Woman do too. Don't get me wrong. But, you know, I I like toys. And, you know, if there's a guy on your block that owns the drone is probably going to be me actually donut anymore. I gave mine away because I long story, we don't need to worry about that. But, you know, I'm the guy with the with the detect toys, and I've been seeing these little watches that do the monitor thingy. You know, I've been kind of watching stuff like That's absolutely something I have no interest in. I do not wear any rings of any kind where watches I don't wear jewelry. The only thing I wear on my body other than clothing and shoes or glasses. I just don't like things on me. Watches, rings, anything. It's just Yeah, I don't like him. She, however, always used to wear a watch before the phone thing kind of took over from the time. And so I was looking at these little heart. These will monitor things he and I'm like, Okay, this was on sale, and it's very small. Hope it's you'd like to play with that. It was a little over 100 bucks, and I have a bad habit of impulse buying things that are a little over 100 bucks. I've really been working to break that habit, so it had spiraled present. We don't do presence in the normal sense. We don't do birthday presents. We don't do Christmas presents at all, but we will buy each other presents from time to time, just kind of randomly use me. That makes it mean it means more when it's not expected, it just becomes as a here it is. So I bought her this and I gave it to her, and I'll let you let her describe her reaction to it. And then, as it moved from this cool little thing in a box to this battered looking, worn out, probably gonna have your place fairly soon thing that is on her wrist now, day and night.

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The first response was distrust,

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because what is it?

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It's a fit that it's a Fitbit or something like that. One model or another. I'm not one of the fairly low and models of the Fitbit, which is a popular brand. There's a bunch of other brands out there. Um, it's got a couple of light sensors on the back that it uses to watch the blood flow going through the little vessels in my arm so it can monitor heart rate. And though by doing things like that and watching changes in that overtime, it can infer things about like when I'm sleeping and it's got a motion sensor in it so it can tell when my arms moving. And it thinks from that. It knows when I'm walking and stuff like that, and it uses my heart rate to calculate how many calories on burning when doing various things. So my first response was distrust because a lot of these wearable monitors that we're not the high end medical versions have historically been quite inaccurate. And this one is also sort of inaccurate, um, arms just moving around a whole lot. It's hard for to track things, but it's got it robust enough software, and there it can make some good guesses about some of the data it's missing. So it's it's not bad on that regard. Do I think it's a vital health tool for me? No. I mean, I'm a physiologist. I I have always trying out equipment and things like that. I know where I am. It's not like it's a big surprise, the kind of person who goes in to see your doctor. And I just give him results that I've worked up on myself when I'm doing something else so I don't have to go and get a test done elsewhere. Kind of thing. I am not a physician on, but you know.

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Okay, now I've got an As an aside, this is an important thing. This is kind of a it's an aside, but it's ah, it's kind of an important thing because, unfortunately, a little over 10 years ago, 15 years ago, somewhere back in the in the Dark Ages, she was diagnosed with cancer, and she says she is a physiologist. She knows this stuff. And the diagnosing doctor basically said that she'd to find a certain a surgeon in an oncologist while she met with the surgeon and she liked the surgeon right away. Good guy, good surgeon, Really good reputation, general surgeon. But, you know, this was not the end of the This wasn't tricky surgeons. This particular one was. And then they There were a couple of different ways because we're in a small area. There's only a couple of different ways. You go on the cardiology and we went to see the oncology. We went to see the oncologist and the 1st 1 we went thio man, he gave I mean, we went in there and it was one of those oncology clinics. There were just people stacked everywhere all over the place. It looked like a hard I mean, it's hard to describe, but it looked kind of like a ah, back door type operation.

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Yeah. You think it was somewhere with one little clinic to serve a whole bunch of people and ever people were walking around in these gowns that weren't really covering their body in the in the basic meeting area and they were pulling around their little ivy stands with them as they shuffled slowly from one bad plastic chair to another bad plastic chair. It was

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it was not

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creamy. It was

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creepy. So anyway, we went and saw. I saw the guy started talking the guy and he says, Okay, well, what I'm looking at doing or what I'm going to do is This is how I'm going to do is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And she says, Okay, well, I have some questions He says, Okay, as she asked him a specific question that somebody with medical knowledge would have because, I mean, she's a physiologist. You know this. She wants to know exactly what this drug is going to do. And she asked in a scientific fashion, and the guy just kind of stared at her and he gave her a Oh, you don't need to worry about that kind of answer. And, you know, he just basically blew it off. It started blustering. So she asked him another question. And you know, it's same Kyra kind of deal. I mean,

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he didn't want to answer. He asked me a nurse if I was a nurse like that was an accusation of some evil crime. I said, No, I'm a physiologist. Mine just want to know what these were doing anywhere. Taking these low, you're gonna take him. If I prescribed in my mind, I was like, Heck no. But I know these things are serious poisons. I am absolutely not taken. Um, until I'm convinced I know it they're likely to. D'oh!

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So yeah. Yeah, I got We're gonna make a quick pause here and reduce that rattle. It's in the back seat. So we basically Sorry about you know, you really Not much for disturbing for you, because we had a We had a rattle. We had to stop, we decided. I mean, obviously the meeting was over and we left. We got out to the car. It's the first time in this entire project. I mean, from her diagnosis, all the way on down, she broke down and really was upset. And she's like, We've got it. We've got to try somebody else. I just don't I don't like that. Me and I don't trust that man. And I'm like, fine, you know, even if we have to go across state line or whatever, we'll do what we have to D'oh! So we went back to our uh huh general practitioner and said we need another recommendation. Is that guy is Just know

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he hadn't known either guy

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had No. Yes, Yes.

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They were both new to new to town and had told me to start with. If you don't like this guy, let me know. I don't know either one. So I'm setting you up with one who's who's soonest, but you're gonna have to. You're gonna have a relationship with this guy for a while. So we went back and yell, Let's try the other one.

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Okay, so we were like And so we started asking around with government, and the people said, Well, he's kind of weird, That's all, Oncologist er were

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You have to be a

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job thing who's a hard job. So we made it appointment with Thea, other oncologist, and she's a performance athlete and turns out he was, too. She's a cyclist. He was a cyclist. We went in there and yeah, he was. He is kind of a little bit of, ah, a different kind of guy. But again, he's not Ecologist. That you would expect that and the first thing she did was she, he said, while he said, Okay, well, generally we give this treatment here. And so she asked him the same exact question, and the total opposite reaction happened. He's like, Oh,

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his eyes lit up.

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These are you get to talk about the industry. Um, she said, you know, I'm a physiologist and she said, Okay, then you'll understand what I'm saying, and he just starts in and they're off. You know what it is? Exactly? What's going to do is going to do this. Okay, This doesn't Well, nobody really knows why this does this, but it does, you know, just, like move, but

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laying out what the risks were.

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And I was like, Oh, yeah, this is some serious poison. You're getting the full meal deal. This is some serious, serious stuff, and I normally wouldn't go this way, but, you know, because I don't like how I like what I'm seeing here, Bob, Bob, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they just hit it off because he was truthful. He answered the questions completely. He obviously is competent, and

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he was direct and not sugarcoating things. It turns out upon further discussion that that's what some people don't like about

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him. Yeah, that's what a lot of people whose direct you know is yeah, he was very, very direct.

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Sometimes indirect things. Oncologist have to say you're not fun to hear.

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No. Sometimes they're not fun to hear it all, but it's never fun to hear what psychologist has to say, Um, even when they give you good news, it's always tempered with for now. Yeah, you know, as I remember, one of the things he said breast cancer is the gift that keeps on giving and tables right about that. So anyway, um, this is a guy she's maintained. A relationship is an oncologist with almost 15 years now, which is that's good, because that's 15 years beyond. But anyway, long story short. And the reason I brought this up is that there are there are multiple health providers and you need to make sure that you're comfortable with the competence and the communications of the one that you have

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in both aspects of that are important. Some people are very good communicators, but what they're selling Yah is not very specific, and it's it's largely a bunch of platitudes. I was reading something this morning that was that way. The person was a good communicator and they were saying all the things that people usually say, but it was clear to me that he didn't really understand what the heck off the stuff meant. He was just saying it because it was the things people usually say

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now, There's a second decide to our story and, uh, you can look it up. You can go on to a search engine of your choice. I personally recommend Dr Gault are epic, and I'm not gonna give you names, But you couldn't look it up in North Missouri for a doctor who was convicted of fraud. And it was like that first guy we went to. Turns out he defrauded people and basically was a monster. It turned out he was taking people who were on a maintenance chemotherapy program, and he was taking their drugs, the empty bags and refilling them with a saline solution

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because he's really expensive drugs. And he got to pocket the difference.

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Yeah, those people are going to die anyway, so yeah, he was doing that and he got caught and he got

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I see why he didn't didn't trust nurses. One of his nurses turned him in.

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Yeah, whatever. They're always

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mixed his own drugs, which is kind of weird when you have oncology. Nurses

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don't mix. He always hung his own drugs. So because they would know this is not a factory fresh eso He always hung his own bags. He said his own little quirk. But in reality it was. But we had caught where the nurses caught him. And, of course, the instant she saw what he was doing, it was go time. It was go time right there. I mean, she called the authorities. I don't know whoever the authorities are for that sort of thing. But she had that the she brought in called in the entire wolf back on him. And it turns out he'd been given saline solution instead of chemotherapy to a lot of patients. And I believe the way they actually got him was for Medicare and Medicaid fraud. Yep, because it's hard to, you know, it's hard to say on anything else, but he was. They got him on the fraud part of it because they were able to take his records from what he purchased versus what he build. End of story. That's how they got it. They couldn't prove anything else, but they could prove that he billed him for ah, lot more than he purchased. And he went down that. So that's why the guy was No, this is an unusual such I mean, I don't I've never even heard of anybody else doing us. But these kind of things are out there. So, you know, if people don't want to answer your questions in the medical field, there may be many, many reasons for it. But walk.

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There's also a lot of people who are selling treatments that don't have really good evidence behind them. That's why on three b y, I spend a lot of my time and effort for the site researching the scientific background of a lot of different treatments so I could pass him on. Because I am. I am expert enough to be able to read and understand the literature. But I am not an expert in all these various fields, and most other people aren't either. But I think it's important to know where the decisions are coming from to make decisions based on good ground. So I'm mostly trying to provide good ground by telling you what the actual evidence is out there, and then you can do whatever you think best.

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Okay, so where does this leave us now? First of all, I think you know we're going to start out with talking about assessment. I think that's a reasonable because you got to know where you are before anything else. We've had some. We've talked about the little bit on podcast before about no knowing where you are. But I think we need to do a little bit more on that how to actually do assessments and, uh, figuring out where you are health wise and what it is you need to work on. And there's some other things that aren't just particularly health related. They're also fitness related that, you know, we need to look at, you know, when you scoot a prepper websites all over the place. And I'm not using that name specific place but prepping websites, you know, you tend to see the same things over and over and over again. And one of the things you see is the bug out back. I mean, my gosh, how many bug out bag things? Have you seen people love talking about bug out bags? So what we're doing right now is we're actually in the process of doing some field testing of what it is like to hike at various weights when you are not an 18 year old super specimen just came out of boot camp military person. You know, so many people use the military experience as a indicator, an example of what should or can be done. And there's a big difference between being a 45 year old man who sits behind a desk all day and a 19 year old kid who just came out of boot camp. That's what they're gonna expected to d'oh! You know, it's just a huge difference. So she's actually been doing some hiking with varying different weights we're in. I'm in the process of setting her up a hiking rig, Not really a bug out back with a hiking rig that uses very, very, very lightweight stuff. And, of course, we go back to the old keys Bontrager trio of light, cheap, strong, picked too. So, like cheap, strong Pick two is gonna be one of those things that you're gonna hear a lot of from us, because I think it's very true. So, yeah, we're looking at it, Uh, what's your fitness level gonna have to be to carry £35 on your back? What is your fitness level? Have to be to carry or x percentage of your body weigh on your back to be more fair because somebody who's her waited £120 will have a lot more trouble carrying long term. Ah, £50 on her back then a person who's, you know, £210 still the same amount of the same general fitness level. That person can even more, much more easily carry £50.

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Yeah, six foot tall guy could have been carrying the pack I was struggling with,

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But you're really

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strong fitness level. No, but if I had to do 20 mile days out of in struggle

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a lot of people and this is why we're doing this. A lot of people underestimate what they can do. Overestimate what? They overestimate, what they're physically able to do. So basically, we want to start with assessments. What are you physically capable of doing? Can you walk 10 miles with a £35 backpack? Most people say, Oh, sure, we'll have you done it. Have you tried it? And part of your assessments also gonna be not just your help. Which gear do you have the shoes to do it, you know, Do you have Do you have the pack to do it. So this is gonna be a synergistic type thing. So this is this is what the future will hold. You want to add anything else to it? 70 other ideas that you want to share right now as to ideas that are coming into your head on the Siris,

spk_0:   29:11
I will. I was just thinking about maybe helping people figure out how to use the health assessments they have now to help guide their perhaps like I think most adults probably oughta have a blood pressure cuff and ah, stethoscope so they can take blood pressures. And then what do you do about it? Because a whole lot of more than half the adults in the country actually have blood pressure. That's higher than it ought to be. And in a stressful situation that goes way up and first time, something dramatically bad happens. I expect a whole lot of hypertensive incidents

spk_1:   29:49
because this is synergistic thing, too, because not only do we have that stress, and not only do we have the the situation you're in, but so much of the proper food we have stored is really high in sodium, so it's a synergy you're getting stressed getting really, really high sodium levels coming in. This could be a problem, and you're also having getting into a shortage of, you know, drugs that you may be taking now. So it's Ah, we've talked about this before, but we need to talk about it again because no, this is part of what's

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important prepping aspect for modern America. It's not. It's not the frontiersman kind of prepping. It's taking people where they are now and trying to make sure they do well when tough times come to them. Now that's a much bigger feature than it was for your great grandpa.

spk_1:   30:42
Exactly. You know, one of the things I keep hearing about is, you know, we like traditional food. We like that treated big, traditional breakfast, right? Well, when you have that big traditional breakfast with the eggs and the toes to the bank and the butter and all, I can't stop, you know, you're loading up to go out and do a hard day's worth of plowing, right? Or you're gonna go out and thrush by hand, right? Or you're gonna herd cattle all day long. You're gonna be up and active and out all day long the kind of diet they had was reflective of the amount of food that they needed to give them the energy of what they have. No, you don't need that same type of high fat hi cholesterol, high calorie diet to go sit in and ask. And this is these are the types of things we want. Well, they do. This is what they did 100 years ago. No, that's not what they did 100 years ago. They did. That went out into a lot of hard work 100 years ago.

spk_0:   31:38
You think about how many labour saving devices will put into our world.

spk_1:   31:42
Not that there's anything wrong with that, but we have to adjust for the fact that our bodies were you supposed to do more work than they do now.

spk_0:   31:52
I would actually go a little further and say to an extent, there is a problem with that because it encourages people to be so basically sedentary that they miss a lot of opportunities. I know putting ah laundry out on the line instead of putting it in the dryer. You know, washing dishes by hand. Even its Would you take a look at it. How much time people spend just physically sitting relatively still, instead of moving in minor ways. That is actually a very big difference from couple generations

spk_1:   32:31
ago. And that's one of the things this Fitbit is good for because it will tell you, get off your butt and go to you something.

spk_0:   32:37
Yeah, it's gotta step tracker

spk_1:   32:39
and that's good. That za good. That's only gonna, And I think we'll actually do probably ah, whole story on the Fitbit. Why? Why? If it it's a good idea for a profit, because I think that

spk_0:   32:49
or at least might be it might have some insight on borrowing one from somebody for a week to see where you are. I mean, you don't have to shell out 100 50 bucks. I I enjoy mine because I'm a physiologist and I get to try various things and see what happens to my physiology with it. It's intellectual entertainment for me. To be honest, I don't need this dude,

spk_1:   33:11
but you worked with a lot of athletes. Do you work with a lot of athletes who wear these things and monitor these things and it's an important is a part of their overall way of monitoring where they're at. For an athlete, it's a really good idea. But anyway, I think, you know, it's the kind of we're gonna talk about, kind of like gorilla workouts. The things that I do, even though I'm a I want old chubby guy, I admit it. But, you know, I have a timer on my office desk. It goes off every hour on the hour and I make a lap of the office and our office has got some decent. But what I do is I walked by and I check on everybody because my job involves making sure that everybody is being productive. So I just walk around the entire office and then I go back. And you know, by the time I've done, I've done 253 100 steps. Now that doesn't sound like much, but it gets my blood circulating, gets my heart moving a little bit. I mean, it's not like out or anything like that. It gets the blood circulating in my legs. It just keeps me away from getting blood clots in the legs. You know, all kinds of stuff.

spk_0:   34:22
I was just listening to a continuing medical education thing couple days ago when the basic problem was, Hey, this guy's truck driver and he suddenly starts feeling pain behind his knee. And the immediate response was blood clot. He sits all day and he formed this blood clot in his leg, and we hope we get it dissolved before it goes to his long and stops blood flow there.

spk_1:   34:45
So we're gonna talk about that. The future. We got some several of these things, and okay, I get that. These are not typical prepper things that you're going to read elsewhere. But, you know, hey, we think that having you actually alive is an important part of survival.

spk_0:   35:09
Sometimes you got to decide whether you're doing this because it's interesting and fun to think about and whether you know or scary Yeah, well, if you are buying off your fear, which a lot of people are, Honestly, if you're in it because it's of the interest to you or you're in it because you really want to be ready and the approaches are different for those two things, I mean, if you're just in it because you paying attention to it helps allay your fears. that it might be perfectly fine to read 45 descriptions of how to build a bob and nothing else. But if you actually want to be ready to dual situations, it requires a different approach.

spk_1:   35:59
In one last thing I'm gonna I'm I want to mention is And I were getting a little long here. One last thing I want to mention is the hole. I'm really into the idea of synergy and the whole idea of buying gear to be prepped without actually putting in the work to actually know how to use it, make sure you can carry it. You know, you're not prepped. You're just well supplied And like a bug out bag will do you no good. If you're not fitting up to carry it to where you're going. Is that simple? It's just, you know, if you can't carry £20 for the amount of miles you want to go, then your bug out bag has got to weigh less than £20 or there's no point of having it. So this is what we're gonna be looking at.

spk_0:   36:58
You laughed at that £20. Try it first.

spk_1:   37:00
Where you at? What are you doing? If you can't do it, you've got a choice. You can either carry less or we like about the idea of getting fit, Maur. You know that's our choice. So anyway, hope you enjoyed the podcast. We'll catch you next time and I hope you do with Siri's.