Episode 126: Prepping to Bug Out With Your Dog

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Hello, everybody.

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Hello, everybody. And welcome to the show the big show. The show that it does not involve hearing sheep noises, which is good, because I don't do Ah, good sheep. Do you do a good sheep?

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I can't show them because, you know, we just promise. Knew she

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knew it. So I guess that's true. I do goats. Really? Why? Our neighbor? In one of the places we used to live head goats. He was actually a A for each guy. And he raised goats and his kids had state champion goats. Yeah, I know. Goats. Really? Really, really, really Well, I used to actually have to milk from when he was when they went on vacation. So you have your own

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throats when the goats went on vacation?

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I don't know how many How many times there's this one guy I have told the Strait of nuisance before. I think I have but one goat named Nuisance. And when the goat is named nuisance, that should be all you need to know of. That's

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above and beyond. Because the species name pretty much could be Capricorn iss nuisance.

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Yeah, this guy was he this song and that was his breeding was all white. Beautiful goat. Is he going up? You see, it was a Billy and ah, he was ah, put to stud, which he liked. And but he was named nuisance because, you know, he would not stay goats consider offensive mild suggestions. They considered electrical fences mild, sparkly suggestion. So, you know, it would be like 6:30 a.m. On in here clop, clop, clop clop over my head. And no nuisance is on the roof again. Our roof not the neighbor's roof where he's supposed to live. So I'd have to get up, get out, get the ladder out, go up there and shoot nuisance off the roof. Does he love to walk around on the roof? And of course, that's not really good for a roof to have a goat walking around on top of the whole time. But anyway, welcome to the show. Why are we talking about goats and sheep? Warrior type goats and cheap? Because we have sheep out. Buy the place. Not at the place, but by the place. I will our nearest neighbor, which he isn't, right, like on top of us or anything like that. But he across the road uses sheep as lawnmowers, which is a lot better than the cattle that they used to keep out there. Not Mrs Illegals of cattle were bad, but he did draw flies.

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And the sheep part is noisy, either.

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No, oh, the cattle noise in cattle, mo moving, knowing the doing of the cattle really

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just kinda loud. It was nice, though, because you could tell when a human was coming because the cattle knew when a human was coming and they would change their move from random cattle noises, too. Who is he bringing food? Is he bringing food? That's particular cattle noise, which I will not imitate for you. You're welcome.

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The neighbor to the east of us has horses, but we don't hear that very much for the wind, mostly in Missouri. North Missouri certainly tends to blow from the West doesn't always, but generally it does. Eight days out of 10 it will go from the South Southwest, sometimes the Northwest, in the summer. We like it when it blows from the Northwest, cause that means it's a cool breeze. But it does both from the east from time to time and then you can kind of hear the horses, but

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so where are we talking about the place?

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Because she's spent ah, weekend with Doc out of the place. That's right. A weekend at the place with her friend of duck who is

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an actual position. Who

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is Max in position? Yes, Where and Doc's dogs were with us with her. I actually we just met in town ahead.

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Salty was working. I know

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weekend. So we just met in town and had dinner last night. But other than that, I didn't get to see Doc very much.

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The thing is, doc broader two dogs, a standard poodle and a miniature poodle. And they each have their own challenges, as big dogs in little dogs will. And it got me thinking about the challenges of your pets in an emergency kind of situation.

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Do tell

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one thing, is that how welcome you will be at some places has a lot to do with whether or not you've got pets with you. And if you have them, what kind, for example, lots of pet shelters I understand I am led to understand, will not accept a neutered on spade animals,

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really just not disruption. I did not know that.

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And certainly there are some that will not accept what they consider aggressive breeds and Maur individuals who would not be happy having you hang out in their vicinity if you had an aggressive looking breed.

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Although I don't I didn't approve of it at the time, and I don't think it's right. The towel we live in actually has a law against several breeds you cannot own or keep a breed of dog of that breed in town. I'm not even sure how that's constitutional, but they didn't ask my opinion. And this is not something not owning one of those breathes air, not carrying their own mothers reads that I am willing to go to the wall over. But say, for example, I do believe that pit bulls Rottweilers are not allowed. You think those are the only two, but I'm not sure

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they weasel worded it so they could include other, particular animals if they so chose, without having to prove they were pit bulls Rottweilers

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yet or any any significant mix that appears to be Yeah, yeah, so we're not we're not saying it's right. We're just saying that's the way it issue. I don't approve of that. I think it's wrong

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neither. But that's the way it is. And Dr brought it up. She says she's never going to have an aggressive looking dog again because she ran into so much more trouble trying to travel with a dog. She had That kind of looked like a German shepherd. I forget Thea Breed Name kind of look like a German shepherd. She had a lot of trouble traveling with it.

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Yeah, even our neighbors who have who well, have had a couple of different boxers, huh? These boxers were timid dogs. Boxers

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often are timid.

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Good dogs. Really Dogs. Nice dogs. Very, very well, Nature talks. Um, there's I think we're well too inbred. They didn't live all that long. It's

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true. A lot of boxers easier,

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but they're beautiful dogs, but they look aggressive in, um, like a whole side was the least aggressive dog I think I've ever seen. Yes, she should walk up to you in Congo. Will you be nice to me?

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I will cringe if that makes you more likely to be nice to be an

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inch. Of course, we obviously don't. We're not into. We like

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these. Yeah, but that's, Ah, one thing to keep in mind. Another issue was we were talking about the difficulties of keeping the dogs from getting various infections because she suspects that both of them have giardia.

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I would not at all surprised that you would think they was very reasonable.

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Yeah, just try and keep a dog from ever drinking out of a ditch. Sometime when you're out and on the move with the dog and you will see that trying to keep the dogs from getting infected is much more of a challenge than drunk person from getting infected, they step in stuff and they liked their paws. So the whole fecal oral route, which is a great way to transmit a large number of parasitic organisms

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from doggie poop,

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is yeah, it's hard to stop. So do I. Disease transmission is gonna be more of a problem with the pets than it is with people.

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And then again, you know, this is the first thing I asked. You know what? We had supper last night. First thing I asked her was, What are you doing? How are you doing on the flea and tick? thing because we have a lot of fleas. Texts, But I please. I don't think we have pleased because we have

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never noticed. Please,

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There's like our cabin is completely baring. It all would. There's not a place for a fleet of live if it wanted to. And we don't have animals either. So not accept

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the fox or ground hog or whatever it is.

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But they're not inside. So but Tick certainly are all over. The place is way

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have lots

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and lots of ticks. So she had to should shed cloud collars on him and she did some other things. I'm not gonna talk about dogs and ticks.

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I had warned her, though, and this isn't the first time around the block, so she probably would have thought about it without me. But in case you have not spent a lot of time with your dogs in the outside wilds, I expect that they are going to get heavily invested because those species air of parasites are pretty much born to love dogs and find dogs and latch on to dogs and be successful on dogs.

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Now, Dr Country Girl, she's lived in the country reports, So she knows she knows country. This is not the first her first trip into the woods, but still it's something you have to consider, especially as Woods is infested with ticks, is ours are because we really have a lot of texts. We really d'oh because we've got a lot of wildlife. A lot of wildlife means a lot of ticks, so it's something to consider. It's

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also a thing to consider. If there are possums in the area you hang out with, you might not want to shoot them first because they basically eat their weight in text throughout the year. I mean, they are ticked, destroying machines.

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Good to know. Now one thing. Can I jump? Just jump in here with topics that came Don't come to mind, All right? Okay. One thing he comes to my mind is the talks were apparently I wasn't there. But the dogs were apparently having a blast, cause they don't you know, in the city, they just don't get to get out, run or if they do, it's in a dog park. They just don't get to get out, run but out of the place, you know, they've got 30 40 as much acreage because they want because not only do they have hours, but they got surrounding forest. Ours is kind of fenced in, so we kind of want to keep it within our 30 plus minus acres.

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So we were trying to keep him within site 40 yards or so within sight. Good back one.

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Here's the thing. These dogs didn't run off. You can't say that for a lot of dogs that are not used to being in open space. So if you're traveling with dogs in a ah situation where you're bugging out, for example, or at least having to leave your area for a while, this is a problem for a lot of people. Their dogs weren't often won't come back. And if you're planning on going somewhere with your dog and dropping him off the leash for any reason, you need to have this worked out right now. Before you let that dog off the leash,

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for example, we were very careful to keep the dogs on the leash at night because there is extremely high probability that there's going to be some fascinating small mammal or a large mammal could be a dear close to the cabin. And as soon as you let him out into the yard and they almost stumble over, maybe it's a fox. Maybe it's like ground hog. Maybe it's a raccoon. Even a good dog will just get so excited. It forgets where it's supposed to be and chases off after that thing and can easily get lost.

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Will be, to be clear, you took him inside the cabin at night, right? Yes. Yeah, eyes. Because there are things that go bump at the night out of the place. A bumpy, bumpy, bumpy ended. There's the occasional new owl. You heard a new owl,

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a new species of owl. I don't know who he was because I didn't see him. But the call was different than any had heard out there before. So have him run off is a thing. Another hole. There was something else is my thoughts flew 80.

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Okay. Yeah, Well, one of the things I thought was interesting is this is just a have really nothing to do with propping or survival, which is not interesting. This is the dog. One of these two dogs with one that Doc and Spice took on their last hiking adventure when this dog was only a few weeks old, weeks old, and I was curious if the dog remembered spies.

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I'm not sure if she remembered me, but she liked me a lot. So good enough,

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apparently, Dog. Oh yeah, she's a standard poodle. Good thought.

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That does remind me of another issue. If it's a little dog, particularly, you might need a way to carry it.

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Yeah, and also another thing to consider is if your what is your dog used to? If your dog's a sedentary dog and you're going to have to bug out or need to be traveling, you're gonna have several issues to think about. That dog may or may not be fit enough to do that, and, more importantly, not more importantly. But importantly, the pads of your dog's feet may not be tough enough to deal with really hot, really or really sharp Or really, um, I need the Rhone abrasive. The road that we have that runs past the place is paved, but it's what's called Chip and Seal, which is basically just gravel. Very refined gravel with oil poured on top of it. Now, chip and seal makes a pretty good road surface, but it's pretty much like walking on sand paper,

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and it gets Expo bling

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hot. Yeah, I mean some bubbly, bubbly, hot.

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So a lot of dogs really can't walk on that for hours on end.

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Collision with your bare feet? I couldn't know. So if there's something keeping right now, you get your dog shoes. You train your dog, wear dog chews it. People are out there laughing Dog shoes. You're laughing.

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Do you try and you dog walk on that hot pavement?

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You look at the people, the idea rod people you look to people doing the dog sled dog shoes. Seriously, those dogs are running with shoes on because they're in that type of terrain. The thing They're fetal freeze out there in that stuff.

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I don't think it's about freezing. I think it's about getting ice buildup well between the toes and stuff like that. Cutting the pads on sharp eyes.

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So yeah, well, anyway, they were shoes. Yeah, and they carry extra shoes of dog throws a shoe, you know, they can put another shoe on it, so

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making sure the dog has all the shots because it's gonna be exposed. Lots of animals and something you might consider a stocking If you have a place you intend to go to and you plan to bring the dogs like you do have a nice bug out location set up well, part of it's gonna be a problem. But if you live where there are skulks

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who's skunks? Dog has

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never met a skunk. Your dog will almost certainly run into trouble with the skunk at least once. And if it's not the brightest bulb in the basket, more than

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one's talk was said she had never learned. Oh, that would be fun. But she did.

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She bought industrial strength.

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She did come up with a formula to get the skunk out.

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Yep, it was dawn

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dawn dishwashing liquid

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dishwashing. Any dish washing liquid would do those guys air shelf stable so they can be kept long term,

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right, and they basically they pull the oil off.

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Yeah, baking soda, which is a base and that will store about forever as well. Better if it doesn't get too hot, because it can't start to break down if it's too hot. But if it breaks down, it's gonna break down and fairly harmless stuff it just won't be as active. The problem is the hydrogen peroxide

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hydrogen peroxide hydrogen

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peroxide devolves into water and oxygen. If it starts to break down and it will break down

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over time, I don't know what the shop life of it is, but it's not really a long time,

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not that great. It's worse if it's in the light. It's almost non existent if it's in the light and it's horse fits in the heat. But the

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bright side is it's really cheap. So you mean if you have to pitch some, it's still worth keeping someone refreshing, like, really,

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every year is worth doing.

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That's just a insurance policy.

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That whole tomato juice thing kind of works, but only kind of. I've tried that one myself, and I can attest that it kind of works. It helps, but

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I've never seen a skunk into place. I'm not saying there aren't any. I've just never seen any. I'm sure there are because we have plenty of skunks in North Missouri.

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I have seen some tracks of skunks, but not right up by the cabin,

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you know, down in the water courses. Frankly, for the most part, skunks are nocturnal. So you Yeah, most the time when you're at the place. If you're not, you're not walking around in the wilderness at night. You're by the cabin or in the camera, you around the campfire. And then again, if you have marshmallows to roast of the campfire, Did you

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that would be records?

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Uh, well, that's true. That would be record.

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Skunks occasionally steal from campers, but that's mostly it. Places that see a lot of campers and the skunks can eventually figure out that they could get some cool stuff there.

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Yes, got learning, Campground said, like, Oh, these are people. I'm a skunk. You know, I got this. I

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got a will walk around with their tail up casually. Masters of all they serve A. Fortunately, they don't tend to be very aggressive

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because people know. Yeah, that's a skunk. I give it. I give it plenty of leeway,

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like, Hi, I'm here. I'm going to go wherever I want, And as long as you don't get in my way, everything's going to be just fine.

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And if you do get in my way, everything for me is still going to be just fine. You

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can have a very bad day. Yeah,

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I will. I will. Thank you.

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Also make sure young Children know what skunks look like. I almost saw something dramatically bad happened that way.

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Hey, Cam.

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Proud and yeah, Dad intervened just in time before Toddler tried to give the black and white striped kitty a hug. That just would not be good. No. So

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all right,

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get the dogs used to being around new people, new situations. Dogs can be Justus set in their ways and anxious and hard to adapt as people can. And there's no reason to expect that's gonna magically go away in an emergency situation. And you might be faced with an unhappy choice between take care of the pet that you love or taking care of the rest of the family. It might come down to that. It's less likely to do that if you have a pet that could deal with the ups and downs of unusual life. The best way to do that is to expose him two things. One of the reason that big poodle is so easy to live with is because she took her out early and I took her to a lot of new situations early.

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Yeah, and she turned her traipsing across the mountains.

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And if you are in the desert southwest, she showed me her her backpack. She spent some time in the desert southwest every year, and her backpack had a standard set of tools designed to remove the various sorts of cactus spines. Yes, that is hard. Those air hard on pets and so rattlesnakes.

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They also have all those those I forgot to call those little spur things that destroyed bike tires out there, You

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know? I know what you're talking about.

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I don't know.

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We always just called him Cal Trip, so I don't remember there, actually.

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Yeah, but they were hard up pets, too.

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It's a title that sheds fishhook shaped thorns every year.

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We have got three highway patrol units out here with one car pulled over. Okay, anyway, yes. We're driving in our car, By the way, in case you hear the road noise, we try to cut it out as much as we can. But this is our car. It's time to give our disclaimer. We gotta give a disclaimer. We're not pet owners, nor do we play pet owners on the wigs actually have been pet owners for?

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Yeah, we We have had a variety. We've

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had a variety of pets from dribbles do fish to dog Horse tonight. Our cat? Yep. And although I wouldn't call the mind, I certainly had goats. Nice, wouldn't pat. They were more of a news. We did get good milk out of the deal, so that's that's good. So we'll go cheese, We need me. We gotta go cheese, too. So anyway, anything else to add before we shut this puppy down,

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think through how it'll how it will be. Take your pet out and expose him to these things. Think about your immunization choices and stuff. With the medical care in mind, you might talk to your vet about what remedies you might want to have on hand and how to deal with him

spk_0:   22:44
and make sure they have their shots. Definitely make sure that,

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yeah, that's even more important for the pets than it is for the people. Because parasitic infections are so very commonly passed among pets,

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and I agree with what she was saying earlier, just realized the choice that you're making when you when you, um, choose to have a dog from a perceived aggressive species? Yes, your dog. Maybe the biggest, most lovable powder puppy in the world.

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Somebody make great dogs.

spk_0:   23:23
Yeah, absolutely. And they I'm not saying that anybody is a bad daughter. I'm not saying that What I am saying is you're just gonna have to deal with the public perception. And so that's a choice that you're making ahead of time in up front. But I'm gonna have this this breathe that has a really bad reputation. I'm gonna have this. I realize it may cost you in the end. So I'm saying

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I'm also gonna maybe coach some hate by admitting that a lot of those breeds that were historically bread for aggression when you put them in circumstances that are new to them and that they feel their family is being threatened, even a good dog could get aggressive. And you don't want to have to deal with a dog fight either.

spk_0:   24:10
Yeah, it's entirely true, but I've gotta admit, in our in our long marriage well, you have been bitten by two family members dogs. You've been one of them tried to rip your throat out. And this is not an under exaggeration, and we're talking about one of them is Ah, uh, was a cocker spaniel. We'll try to re literally rip your throat out. Went for your throat

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lately shown to have a brain tumor a month later.

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Yeah, This dog did die shortly thereafter with a pregnant, but we did not know that at the time. So give it a little and the other was a Yorkie. Yorkie, your key and all it did was scratched her leg a little,

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bruised my leg, but he did his very best.

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So he did. He wouldn't be went for hard.

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And if I didn't care for my sister in law so much, the dog would have become a

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football. Yes, I

spk_1:   25:04
have no compunctions against that. If they bite first. That's their problem. Yeah,

spk_0:   25:08
If they bite first, all bets are off and out of the blue and random. This wasn't day. This was not a growl. Crowd crowd. It was a It was a wait till she turns around and go for the back. Go for the back side attack A sneaky little snively little Yorkshire terrier attack. And you just want look the thing. Really?

spk_1:   25:34
You apparently don't know how easy you would beat it. Swat across through?

spk_0:   25:38
Yes, you were. We were in the shape of football and I know what to do with footballs. But what we didn't obviously. But you know hey, seriously, I have I have I have attacked dog drives. I've defended myself from dogs before when they were attacking me.

spk_1:   25:59
I've kicked people's dogs because if you're riding your bike down the street and a dog starts to grab onto your foot, there's really not a whole lot else you can do that. Kicked the person's dog.

spk_0:   26:09
I have shown

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you for kicking their dogs. Like what? What do you think your dog's face was doing there at my foot while I ride my bicycle down the street?

spk_0:   26:16
I have shot a dog in the face with pepper spray before. Boy, they don't like that. That'll get their attention on that dog. Never bothered me again. Probably

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bothered any cyclist again.

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That was one of the ones out there. The biting dog place. Yeah, which reminds me to tell you that the people at the end of the gravel road that goes by the ballpark I've got a really aggressive talk now,

spk_1:   26:47
they always have had. I've quit going

spk_0:   26:50
well. I was right. It's not like it's a big deal anyway. It's not a prime cycling road. It's a gravel road. But I was driving out there, Um, and you're driving up through there and it came out. It went for the car. It's gonna have a very short life if he tries to attack cars. Because it's OK on the gravel road when they're not going that fast. But it intersects the highway, and that dog will die on the highway one of these days. So, yeah, I have no sympathy for people who let their dogs run out on highways and then get mad because their dogs always keep getting hit by cars. That's on you. You shouldn't do that.

spk_1:   27:28
Yeah. Look, you know, you've got one of these guys and you feel like they're a family member. Treat him like a family member that needs your care and protection in some senses. Because they do.

spk_0:   27:41
Dogs are territorial and they will not run off if you train them. Right. So do you. We're good.

spk_1:   27:49
We're good.

spk_0:   27:50
All right. We'll get you next time.