Tamara Lich

thank you for joining me. Thank you so much for having me. I think people will know your name as linked to the trucker convoys, linked to resisting the authoritarian reach of your government. I'd like to just start at the beginning of your life first to understand who you are. Mhmm. Where was you born tomorrow? I was born in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan

to get to know her a little bit. And and she's got a sister that's just 6 years older than me, so we, kept in contact for a long time. Do you okay. So and your adopted parents? They're in Saskatchewan. Or sorry. They're in Melbourne now, I guess. Yeah.

And, I I really attribute my upbringing to a lot of the things that have happened because when you're growing up in rural Saskatchewan, especially in the seventies eighties where we didn't have the same infrastructure that we have now, you had to rely on community. Like, there was snowstorms sometimes where we couldn't get out of our yard, so you relied on your neighbors, and you helped your neighbors whenever you were in need.

And, at at small towns I grew up in a lot of small towns too. Well, so lots of people can so I can so I can understand what is it like because Canada is so big. It's very vast. What is a rural location like that? What's it what's it like? How many houses are there? It's very barren and, especially in the rural areas, the farms. There was there was lots of farms, but it's not like like if you go to Ontario, and I imagine it's probably the same in the UK. I've never been to England, but I've see just seen You should call. And there's, like, houses

all off these roads. It's just like almost one giant community, whereas you can go for miles in Saskatchewan between communities. Okay. So it's very barren and desolate in some places, if you're not in the larger centers. Yeah. Well, how did you do at school? How did I do in school? Academic? Did you I was terrible in school. Especially once I became a teenager, I was just school was the last thing I was interested in doing. I went I went to school for the social

aspect of it and not so much the learning part of it. But I was very interested in English. I when I was younger, I used to do a lot of creative writing, short stories, poetry, and stuff like that. And, I mean, I've gotten away from that a bit now because I've been a little busy with other things the last few years like trying to save Canada. So

So I worked for, the Medicine Hat City Police for a while as a 911 operator, and then I got into oil and gas logistics and discovered that I was really good at putting pieces together and organizing things and which is obviously Plays a part in your labor. Plays a huge part. And I meant when I first called Chris Barber, that's what I said. I was like, my name's Tamara.

the newspaper every day and following what's going on. This would have been probably around

in Medicine Hat. And all of a sudden, like, the whole rhetoric around the oil and gas sector in Alberta, it started to be come under attack. What passed they passed 2 bills. 1 was bill c 69, which was the No More Pipelines Act, we called it. Basically, what they did is that they were regulating pipelines out of out of existence. Like, it's impossible to jump through all the hoops that they were laying down.

And the 2nd bill that they passed was Bill C 49, which prevented, bitumen from Alberta to be shipped on tankers out of British Columbia. And it was just those tankers. It wasn't the ferries. It wasn't the ships coming in carrying oil from other countries. It wasn't the yachts. It wasn't any of those things. It was just to put a moratorium on Alberta oil

And as I started to watch this happen, I mean, I I worked in the industry. My ex husband worked in the industry, and Canada has one of the most efficient and environmentally friendly oil and gas industries in the world. The tar sands that you hear about in Fort Mac, it's the biggest reclamation project in the world. There's a reclaiming What's the tar sands? The tar sands, well, it's the oil sands. They're called and they're up by Fort McMurray,

and it's the oil that's actually at the surface in the sand. And so what they're doing is extracting the oil from the sand, and it's it's literally going back to nature. The trees are coming back and the life's the wildlife is coming back, but but you'll never hear that. And that's why they called it the tar sands because it sounds very

negative and ominous. And, I mean, that's the government that we have right now. They they make up these words that sound very scary and very negative and peep some people fall forward, unfortunately.

and make that connection for you. And, actually, it was my birth mom because I always knew I was adopted. They never hid it from me. You know, they were very open about it and honestly tried to make me feel special because I was chosen. You know what I mean? Did you ever sense a different feeling from the their birth their other children? No. Was you ever treated any No. No. That's crazy. No. Never. I was very lucky. I I had a great family.

It was total chaos. There was, like, 6 of us running around. Chaos was good. It was good. Yeah. I I'm very blessed. Very blessed. So then who wrote the letter? You or your mom? My my adopted mother wrote the letter to the Triad Society

Like, what a strange moment. Yes. Later on in my life, though, as I got to know their family, her youngest sister that I would just mention, kept so many photos. Of your mom? Of yeah. Of whole family. Okay. And so I I did get to learn. Because, of course, when you're young, you think well why didn't they she want me and you know what was wrong with me and and I got to learn the story a little bit better and and I I honestly just sobbed it was my grandparents wanted to keep me,

and, she said, you know, she remembers my grandfather who was Metis. My grandmother was Cree. Who is what? Was Metis? What's that? It is a blend of First Nations and Okay. Well, technically, French. Okay. The Metis the word Metis means first nations in French. Okay.

And, and she said he would have some drinks some nights and start crying and, you know, why did she why didn't she let us keep her and which meant a lot to me in just in the fact that like I said, I often wondered like what was wrong with me or why she didn't want me and and and she gave me up because she wanted me to have a good life. She was a single mom. She had met a man, a Scottish man in the military and

when she found out she was pregnant, she never heard from him again. And she didn't wanna raise me in a single home, which is which is commendable. And then, then my aunt showed me pictures of my birth mother when she was young, and we were identical. We looked exactly the same. And so for me growing up in a family where I didn't look like any of them, that was a very heartfelt moment for me. It meant a lot to me just to look like someone.

yeah, so I I'm not sure where they sit with all this. I do remember my aunt, sending me a message when I was in Ottawa because she was like, oh, Tamara, are you okay? Like, we're seeing what's happening on TV. And and I and I was like, I'm fine. I said, what you're seeing on TV is not what's happening. Like, this is

it's amazing all these Canadians are coming together and it's so patriotic and so peaceful and loving but that was a tell for me of because obviously, you know, we were busy. We didn't have time to be watching the news all the time. We knew that they were vilifying us, but I didn't realize to the extent that they were vilifying us until then when she messaged me in a panic and basically thought I was in a war zone.

You know, I think the same because I I haven't seen my real dad since I was a kid. And when I started the English defense league, I thought he's got to be watching. Yeah. He's gotta be thinking that's my son. But, but what what was the moment you just said, you rang Chris? What what moment was that?

and there are people who are losing jobs. You know, men are coming into my office crying, you know, giving me a resume, asking, you know, please, we I need a job. It's 2 weeks before Christmas. I need a job. You know what I'm saying? They've got families to feed. And so I've never been able to abide a bully, and that's how I felt we were being treated. We were being bullied. And so I joined this group and and started that. And then, of course, COVID hit. And I had a lot of questions

right off the bat. Of course, when COVID started, you know, we saw the videos that were coming from China, people falling over in the streets and all this horrible things. And then I watched and then the next thing they shifted to was Italy, and it was just, like, footage of empty streets.

But something just didn't feel right. And this is the thing. Every single person that I talked to during COVID, whether they believe that COVID was gonna be the end of all humanity or they believed it did not exist, everyone said the same thing to me. Something doesn't make sense. This feels weird. And then

And then I saw the stories, I saw what hap was happening to families being torn apart. I heard stories of senior citizens dying in long term care facilities, being denied a hug, or being denied even seeing their children. Where their family weren't allowed to see them. They were killed off in home in it. That's right. No one was allowed to come. All these terrible these terrible things happening, and it just crushed me and but it also made me very angry.

And I found people very early on, during COVID, thank God, Because you we were not getting another perspective from any of our politicians, our leaders, or the mainstream media. It was all the same narrative. And so I found doctor David Martin from the United States. Wow. How how good is he, man? He's amazing. I've done a podcast for him. Yeah. He's, oh, he's great. He's one of my heroes.

Doctor Zev Zelenko, the late great doctor Zev Zelenko. Channel. Give me one. Of course, Peter McCullough, Robert Malone, one of our doctors here in Canada. That was one of the most alarming things as he was a virologist, I believe, doctor Byram Bridle. Yep. And then I saw what happened to him. Like, they canceled

him. Immediately fired and canceled, and then doctor Francis Christian. And all they did was come out and do a press conference after the vaccines were coming out to say like we need to stop before we start injecting our children with this and and have a closer look because we're you're gonna start injecting your children. And they fired

So I was very Trish Wood. I found Trish Wood. She's an amazing former CBC journalist. I had a podcast, and these were the people that were talking about the other side of the story. And so I started following them very closely. I spent Manitoba I spent COVID 19 months during COVID in Manitoba because I was living in Medicine Hat at the time. And when everything shut down, we lost our jobs.

We packed and went to Manitoba. My daughter lived out there, and she lived on a farm. And I wasn't gonna sit in Medicine Hat and do nothing. Like, I wanted to go be productive, so I learned how to drive a tractor and feed the cows and, you know, do lots of things and stay active and participate in life and live my life. And then we came back to, we moved back to Medicine Hat in October of 2021, and, it was a TikTok video that a friend of mine sent me that had, Chris Barber in it advocating for

a Canada wide shutdown of the trucking industry on January 25th. Who's Chris Barber? Chris Barber, was he's my partner in alleged crime. He's the gentleman that drove Big Red across Canada. Basically, the one who started this whole movement.

So you saw him make you saw a TikTok video of a of a trucker saying, listen That's right. We need to do something. I tracked his number down and, I gave him a call and it turns out he's from the same corner of Saskatchewan that I grew up in and we we talked on the way out of our past, I think of Cross, like, I think I've served him in restaurants before, you know, but,

well, you know, I have you know, I'm very concerned about what's going on, and I really wanna help you guys if there's anything that I can do. I said you're gonna need, social media. You're gonna need funding. And I said, my my, background is logistics organization and administration, and I I wanna help you as much as I can. And he said, absolutely. We need all the help that we can get. So the next day, I started a GoFundMe campaign and a Facebook page and set up an email address.

And by the end of that first weekend, I think we'd raised well, within 24 hours, I think we blew past a $125,000 in donations.

They learn it every single day. All these things terrible things were happening, but yet nobody they weren't listening to anybody and so we drove there to try and get an audience with someone

Some in some of the provinces, they were seriously considering not letting you in a grocery store if you weren't vaccinated. Like, it was it was surreal. And even looking back now, and then we had these conversations at this conference over the weekend, like, it's almost hard to believe that it it happened.

Canada is a very polite. We're all very polite and somewhere in the midst of all this, the government led us into a place where we forgot our humanity.

Chris and I and rest of them had a discussion, and we thought, well, there's good like, you know, there's gonna be extra. So we made a collective decision that anything that we raised over and above what was gonna be required to refund the truck drivers was to go to our veterans.

Because our veterans in Canada have also been vilified and forgotten. I mean, our own prime minister, stood up in a in a press conference one day or a town hall and a veteran asked him, you know, like, if you support the veterans, why are you taking us to court to fight us for these benefits? And his response was, well, you're asking for more than we can give.

Because we're busy giving everyone everyone else. That's what he means. Exactly. We're busy giving But these are people that have sacrificed their lives and served our country. But and to see them being so disrespected

Sorry? How far in advance did you set that date? We How much time We planned this in 10 days. So it's 10 days notice? Yep. 10 days. I I started the GoFundMe. I called them on 13th, got the infrastructure portion set in place on 14th, and he picked me up in Red Cliff, Alberta on 24th. Go on and talk me through it. So What's it look like? It was,

well, we didn't know what to expect. No. Because you definitely you you wouldn't. It's like demonstration day. Right. How many people gonna walk around the corner. That's right. And so the con the convoy left because we had road captains throughout Canada, usually about 2 road captains per province. What's a road captain?

They were just in charge of certain areas of organization. Organized truckers organized for their certain regions. That's right. So they left, Vancouver Island or on the 23rd, and they came North, Northern BC, Northern Alberta, and they met us in Medicine Hat on the 24th. And so when I drove out to truckers restaurant in Red Cliff, I mean, I get out there and there is people everywhere and Canadian flags everywhere and all these people ready to join. And,

and I remember driving in because I'd I'd never met Chris personally yet. I've I've both seen him on Zoom as we were talking obviously every day trying to get this thing organized and, and I saw him and I was shocked because he's so tall. With the first time I met him and I went to give him a hug it was just kind of like you know, it was it was awkward because I'm not very tall.

But and not only is he physically, like, have this huge presence, but he has, you know, he's just got this huge huge soul too, this big boisterous friendly bear hug kind of thing. And, and we didn't know what it was gonna look like. We drove through Medicine Hat and there was people lined the whole way and on the overpasses and lots of support.

And even as we drove towards Swift Current, I I mean, the Hutterites on the side I found out later, like, even on the even on these side roads in the middle of nowhere, there was, you know, people standing there. But a lot of the Hutterites would go to an intersection Wait for the what? The Hutterites. What are they?

But they were, like, driving to an intersection watching us go by, holding signs, getting in their vehicles, and driving, like, 2 miles down to the next intersection to watch us go by again. And so we got to Swift Current Saskatchewan, it was the same thing. We had to stop there and met 100, probable 1,000 probably of supporters. Same thing through all of Saskatchewan.

And it was funny because as we're going towards getting farther east towards Manitoba, I remember Chris and I talking like, you know, we live in a place that has been divided east versus west. And we will ask it though. Yes. And so, like, they don't want our dirty oil, and they think we're just a bunch of redneck kalebillies or so. This is what we've been told, but it was all a lie.

So we're getting closer to the Manitoba border and we're like, jeez, like, what's gonna happen? It's probably gonna start thinning out now, like, they might be more liberal than the farther east we go and maybe don't agree with what we're doing. And then we pulled into Headingley, Manitoba. And it was amazing. Miles and miles from Headingley, which is which is on the western outskirts of, Winnipeg all the way past Steinbach, Manitoba,

and it was lined with people. We had to slow down to probably like 40 kilometers an hour because they were like right out on the highway bringing us food and coffee and like throwing chips in the window and and, it was just so surreal because there's been so much division created and perpetuated by our government and our politicians and the people that are supposed to be leading and uniting us.

I looked out my window and I saw these beautiful native dancers drumming, and then I saw 4 Sikh gentlemen right beside them. And then I saw these Hutterite women with their little kids holding signs that said thank you truckers. And nuns in full habits. And I realized the magnitude of what was happening because all of the labels were dropped. It didn't matter what color your skin was. It didn't matter what God you worshiped.

It didn't matter what your income bracket was or what your geographical location was. Canadians on their own dropped all those labels, and we were just Canadians.

They stood out there for hours because we were late. We were always hours late. We were never on schedule one time, and they stayed there and they waited for us to come, and I've never seen so many Canadian flags in my life.

I'm just getting some stuff in place like rooms or billets where they could stay and stuff like that where they they could have showers and all that stuff. So we knew that that was happening in Ottawa and that was getting put in place, but we still, we needed to have a plan for when we got there. Like, I mean how far is this journey? 36, 100 kilometers from here to Ottawa. So the truck 5 days.

And, and they both were well aware of the propaganda that was happening. So anyway, she started a podcast to start because she's like, why isn't anyone talking about this? And Chris and I started going on her show every couple days. She did a little thing called Coffee with the Convoy so that she could try and get the truth out. And she's lovely. She's absolutely a lovely human being and, she's a true journalist.

I remember chatting with the gentleman that set up our website, and he called me in tears one day because he like, they they had to move the server to a bigger server and to a more secure server because he he Telling her attack. He was crying on the phone. He's like, I've never seen this before, like, the cyber attacks that were coming. And he's like, this is our own government.

Trying to shut down lawful lawful legitimate. They shut off all the CCTV cameras all along the highway because they were trying to tell people that I think there was a tweet that came out of what's it gonna be? Twelve trucks are gonna show up or the 12 trucks full of white supremacists or something that's ridiculous like that. How many miles was it as far as the eyes could see? Oh. Truckers. In oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. We actually in Ontario, pulled over.

One time we could pull over because you don't still pull over a convoy if you have to use the bathroom, but we did pull over one day and I remember getting out because I couldn't see behind me. Mhmm. And so we pulled over, got out, stretched our legs, and I looked and literally that's all you could see. When we got into Arnprior, which is a community just outside of Ottawa, On Friday night, we were a 100 kilometers long. Wow.

Which politicians? Was Justin Trudeau coming in? Oh, Justin Trudeau ran away.

he's come to he's been exposed to somebody. He's he's triple jabbed at this time, but he's been exposed to somebody with COVID, so he's gonna have to go into quarantine. Yeah. He's gone and headed till he's And then, a couple days later, he skirted out of Ottawa with his family for his safety. Now remember, this is the most peaceful and polite protest of all time. We're on the we're on videos every day, so There was music. There was families. People bringing kids. They're bringing kids stuff, bouncy castles, and people making it for for families. Yes.

Senior citizens. I remember. Boot camp people, children, like there was every demographic of any possible thing that that was out there supporting us. So they skirted him out of Ottawa for his own safety. Oh my gosh. And then, of course, the threats came. Jagmeet Singh, who's the leader of the NDP party, was calling us white supremacists and fascists and, like, just ridiculous stuff, which is which is abhorrent

Second to that, I was involved in a political party, and this was another thing that we did. So because of what we were seeing within happening between the east Eastern Canada and Western Canada, I became a part of the a call for separation. There's a call Well, it was not separation at the time. What we were seeking for was basically the same thing that Quebec has. We were called the Maverick Party and we are a Western independence party

and I sat on the board of directors for that. So what we were seeking was greater autonomy over the West and a change to a Confederation to give us more equal rights. Basically, the same thing that Quebec has been doing for decades decades decades. Quebec is the French part. Yes. It is. Yeah. And they've got it's quite separated.

Yes. They have their own map. They they have a there's a lot of special things in Quebec. And and this was one of my the first tells for me. This was my first big epiphany just prior to hitting Winnipeg. Is it was about day 3 of organizing and I'd been sent home because of COVID, Omicron or whatever. And so I'm sitting at my table and I've got 2 screens, 2 monitors on my desk and my laptop and we had chats with all the road captains. So I'm I'm chatting with the Quebec road captain

and I've got Google translate because I am not French And so, like, we're chatting, so I copy paste, translate, paste back, and they had a 1,000 trucks ready to go. And that's when I first thought this has all been a goddamn lie.

Like What what's been the lie? The division amongst the 2 of you about about okay. And the rest of Canada. Okay. Especially the west. Because it suits the government to keep you provided. It does. Okay. It does. And when this hit off, you realized that possibly you wasn't as provided as you fall. So so I I sat on this board. We built a federal political party from nothing and but on a few days after we got into Ottawa, I quit.

I resigned my position. Why? Because I did not believe I didn't want to separate from Canada anymore.

it's unheard of. Mhmm. But it was, like, such a such a moment.

I noticed in 2016, I really is when I really noticed a shift in the mainstream media and how biased they are. Because I was watching Canadian news talking about the American election between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. And I I was the woman who got up every morning, had a coffee, sat down, watch the whole newsreel and then just let it play as I got ready And what I saw happening was

I'd see them talking about Hillary Clinton, and it was just always very pleasant. And she was this and she was that. And, you know, yeah. And the polls say this 95%. She's 95%. And then they'd start talking about Donald Trump and their whole fate. Like, they'd get this smarmy, arrogant look on their face.

The tone of their voice changed, the things that they said, like the descriptors that they use changed, and I and I just saw I know it's been going on for years years before this, but that's when it became very obvious to me. So as far back as 2016, I was starting to become very wary of what I was reading in the news and and and in the headlines and so I was not at all shocked. They again, ironically, the first thing they did was question my my indigenous heritage,

which I Which would mean try and say you're lying? Yes. Okay. Yes. Which if I would been out there for any other type of protest.

they they accused us of having Russian interference. And Yes. Russian, Israeli. Yep. But but, ironically, what's all coming out now is that they were actually being influenced where there's a whole Chinese foreign interference investigation. Well, it's a farce of an investigation,

that's happening right now. We it just came out a few weeks ago. We now know for sure there's sitting MPs in the House of Commons right now that have wittingly wittingly, been colluding with hostile foreign governments, that are a detriment to the interests of Canada and to Canadians. But we're not allowed to know who they are. But yet if you donated $10 to the Freedom Convoy, your your home address, your phone number, your names were all, hacked

What's going on in your home life? I

So I had a phone call or a FaceTime with my 3 daughters and just explained to them because there was already some terrible things that were being said about me.

I mean, that's where where I've always tried to come from in this whole thing is we can disagree with each other, but we can do it in a respectful way. And if you saw any of our videos that we were putting out on the way to Ottawa or before, that's what we talked about. Peace, being respectful, coming from a place of love, and so I addressed this in the last video that I did because I was pretty sure that I was gonna be arrested the next day.

And I addressed the f two zero flags, which I've never been a fan of. I understand that emotion behind it. But I I said, you know, he has 3 kids.

and I just don't wanna live that way. I just don't wanna be I'm not an angry person, and I don't wanna live in that headspace.

$20,000. Right? Yeah. So, anyways, I'd set it up to go into a savings account that I had that I've been absolutely obliterated during COVID and actually it was it was either 3¢ or 13¢ overdrawn and I deposited 13¢ because I didn't even wanna be accused of using 13¢.

And then when we got to Ottawa, Chris and I went into the bank and I made him a cosigner so that it wasn't I was you didn't feel the pressure of the accusations because you know they're coming. Yeah. Gone. Because I wanted to be open. Yeah. Yeah. I've been the whole time. That's why I started making videos. I it was Canadians money, and they had a say and I wanted the whole process to be open and transparent

and so that's why I started making the videos. Okay. It was to keep them, you know, abreast of what was happening as it was happening. And so I I I every step of the way, I was in touch with TD Bank. I immediately formed the finance committee because I was like, holy crap. This is a lot of money. We need a committee that can help manage this. We had a a chartered accountant in Medicine Hat that was that was an adviser to that committee. And, and we were in communications with GoFundMe,

still dragging their feet. Like, they'd send an email with 3 questions. We'd answer it. They'd send back 5 more. We'd answer those. I'm trying to blow you. So anyways, long story short, as we're on the way to Ottawa, the finance committee would would text me and they'd be like, you gotta go you gotta bump the GoFundMe up another million. And I and it was just phenomenal. We were taking in a $1,000,000 in donations a day. Wow. Which is unheard of.

We're going to re fund anyone that reaches out to us and requests a refund. So we're not refunding it but you've got to reach out so we will then they'll get every detail Because a lot of people don't. However, God bless the Florida governor Ron DeSantis. He stood thin. He stood up and said, no, you're not. That's fraud. And if you do that, I'm gonna have you investigated for fraud. Who's going to find me based in Florida?

I've I wanna say Delaware. Okay. But maybe it was for anyway, somewhere down there. Okay. So anyways, all of a sudden, they could refund everyone. And even though they'd released a million that was immediately seized by the government of Ontario, They refunded that 1,000,000, so it actually cost GoFundMe.

So I I don't know why that why I think the reason that they wanted us, well, Christopher Freeland even had in their notes, label them as terrorists and seize their assets. Our Finance Minister and Deputy Prime Minister wanted to label everyday working class,

they know that if you've got money, you can survive. You can continue your work, which is why they always

about what happened. So some people that didn't donate to the first one donated to second one, and some people that donated to the first one ended up doubling their donation to the second one. So

How do we stop it? Yes. What happens?

So they froze the million, they ended up freezing that other account also. And with the gifts and go, gosh, it's been a while now so I got I can't remember all the fine details, but they ended up refunding the money because they were the government was threatening to seize that also. And give Sendoh a credit to Jacob Wells, the founder and his sister founded this organization,

and he said, no. You're not. His first responsibility he always felt was to the donors to ensure that the money that the donors, were donating went to what it was What what was that? For. Right? Because with it with GoFundMe, the one detail I forgot was they were gonna refund who to whoever wanted it and whatever was left over, they were going to give to the charity of their choice.

So Jacob Wells stood up and said, no. You you can't take this money. It doesn't belong to you. And they actually went to court over it, and I remember Keith Wilson telling me that, one of the lawyers stood up in this hearing and said, well, you can't just refund that money. And

Jacob Wells said, just watch me. By the time you have your paperwork done, it'll be back in their accounts. And he was right. Fair play to him. Yeah. So he did refund it. There was some that was coming. It was quite good. Stopped you. Yeah. They still stopped your ability

Well now there's bumper stickers, t shirts, hats, like we owned it and the same thing happened with the jerry cans. So they make this big stink about, if missed being charged with mischief if you brought fuel in for the truckers, but all of a sudden everyone was coming downtown with jerry cans. Some of them were full of water, some of them were just empty, they had a jerry can fashion show on the on the stage and that is just so Canadian, you know, like you think that you can insult us but

when you own it, you just flip it right on its head and it loses all of Power. The power of the squadron. Exactly.

The they were being controlled from higher ups. Above them. They weren't being honest with other the other agencies that were there to help them. So what resulted in that was the Ontario Provincial Police officers actually pulled out of the city and said, like, you're we're on your own. We'll we'll work on the outside,

when you invoke the emergency measures or emergencies act, which is the replacement to the old war measures act Is it and and Trudeau done this at the time when you're all in the city. So when this is going on, he he invoked the Emergency Act which is for war. No? Yes. It it what it is, it's to be invoked if there's a threat to national security, espionage, sabotage,

sorry we have COVID we can't come, You know? It's good, isn't it? Yeah. So that was another thing that they well and that was one of the, things they said at the inquiry was that they they needed these tow trucks to come. So the Emergencies Act gave them that power to to do that.

is that they were trying to provoke us into a fight. They were really trying to provoke violence, and it started with name calling, and then it started with we're gonna come and take your food and then we're gonna come and take your fuel and they and then they bought up all the empty hotel rooms in the area so that other protesters and supporters couldn't come and then all of a sudden they're gonna come take your pets and then they're gonna come and take your children.

So this just sorts gradually they were turning up the heat. It's trying to get a violent response so that they could just find They're actually They were talking about the Emergencies Act before we even got to Ottawa. So they need to provoke you into a reaction of some sort of violence so then they can justify what they've just done. And to the credit of Canadians

the financial stuff and all that, all all these meetings with lawyers and and everything and Chris was out there a lot more than I was. But in the beginning, the officers that were on the ground, a lot of them were not just sympathetic, but supportive of our cause, and they were very friendly. And as the weeks were on, you we these guys were getting pulled out. And new guys were getting And new guys were coming in.

announcing that she was gonna freeze bank accounts of middle class Canadians. And I'll tell you something, a couple months ago I was at a restaurant in in Medicine Hat where I live and this server comes up to me and she's waiting on us and she recognizes me and she donated $10 to the bank to the the campaign. She never went to Ottawa and she has 3 small boys, a single mom, and they froze her bank account. So she couldn't buy groceries. She couldn't pay her rent.

which is the purpose. I I looked up the tactics they used against me, and they they call disruption tactics. Yes. But to ordinary moms, like you're saying, this is just one example you're giving. One example of a mother of 3 to have her benefits or her finance or her wages, whatever it is going into a bank account, just locked. Yep. For how long? Not only that, Tommy, but you're talking like one of the organizers that was there with us has

Like, this boy is on medication. He's he's in it then. That was one of the reasons why, I mean, as soon as we got there, you know, Chris was excellent about keeping a lane open for emergency vehicles. Like, we did not go there to gridlock the city. We we we know ambulances needed to get down there, fire trucks they and and they did, but what, you know, when Tom came on board too, I mean he emphasized that because his son is always in an ambulance.

They need to get through, so we were always very diligent and a lot of evenings, you know, like because there was no one set group, I mean there was us but then there was constantly people coming in in trucks that would come in and park and then we'd have to get up and Chris and those guys would have to go and move them to make sure that there was always a lane open.

We were just talking to a gentleman, in BC who had his bank account frozen and as a result lost his truck, lost his business, ended up homeless, and lost everything.

so I didn't know. I didn't know for sure, but we knew it was a high probability.

Like, if the if that's really the lengths that they're gonna go to when I know I know that we've been advocating for peace, and we did everything right. And that was my takeaway even from the POEC and this trial. We did everything right. Maybe not perfect. Well, now we don't took all the right steps. So I was prepared to. I mean, I I even said I even said, like, this is my hill. I will go to jail for this and I will die for this because so many other people have already died,

everywhere that we even still go but all the way there there even this weekend people come up to us all the time and say I was planning my suicide until I saw the trucks rolling. I was going to kill myself.

The next morning, we get up, Chris and I head down to the war memorial because the veterans, the veterans that came, were holding services every day at 1 o'clock. And so we went down to the service. I wish I could have watched all this. It was it was it was amazing. It's historic. It is historic. And, and and just a quick story about the veterans. All these veterans show up, and there's these services at the war war memorial and the police put up a barricade. They fenced it off.

And we went down the streets talking to people, signing things, you know, shaking hands. How cold how cold was it? That day, it was chilly, but it was not it wasn't snowing. It was like that day. It was kind of a misty rain almost, And that's how I I spent the rest of my day. So then at about 4 or 5 o'clock, we get back to the hotel that we were staying at and every phone in the building started buzzing. Chris Barber has been arrested.

we'd we knew that it was coming. And so we made the decision to go out and turn ourselves into police. Number 1, our spouses were in that hotel, and I cannot imagine what a traumatic experience that would be to have the police bust into your room and arrest your partner.

As a matter of fact, I'll tell you a little funny story the night before that because we didn't know when this was coming. I went to bed completely naked because I thought I if you're coming into my room, I'm gonna make this just as awkward for you as I possibly can because that's how I roll. So anyways so and and number 2 because the lady, that owned the hotel that we were staying at, she was 2 weeks from bankruptcy before we showed up.

And so us being there just saved her business, and she's just the sweetest, kindest, most grateful woman, and I didn't want that kind of trauma. I honestly not for being. For her either. Right? So so we made this decision to go out and and turn ourselves in. A couple of the road captains came with us, and and I remember we were marching up Rideau towards Wellington,

and I saw these 3 girls come by with their cameras. And I said, girls, come with us. Bring your cameras and come with us. And then a few yards down the road, I see this gorgeous young lady with a big camera. And I said, we're going to turn ourselves in. You should come with us, and she did. So Danny and I walk up to parliament, so and we were on, I believe it's Metcalfe, and Metcalfe Street looks square up at the parliament buildings.

So we've turned down Metcalfe and there's 2 Suburbans police Suburbans point with their headlights pointed up at parliament. So we go over there and Danny knocks on the window and this guy rolls the window down and he's like, my name is Danny Beaufort. This is Tamara Leech. We've understand that you've arrested Chris Barber, and you're probably looking for the other organizers, and we're here to turn ourselves in. So,

he takes her information, rolls his window up, gets on the radio, blah de blah, rolls the window back down. No. No. We're not looking for you. And I said, are you sure? Are you sure you're not looking for us? I said they've just arrested Chris Barber. We're 2 of the other, you know, or organizers main organizers.

And so he did the same thing rolls the window up again gets on his radio rolls the window down, no we're not looking for you and I said okay that's fine well if that changes we're just gonna be right up there. So anyways we start walking back up to Parliament because there's crowds and crowds it's so festive and we're walking back up to parliament, and I look back and I see these 2 suburbans backing up and leaving. And I said to Danny, well, that's really weird. Like, why would they be leaving?

Anyways, we carried on. We went up. I did an interview with some news organization there, talking about Chris getting arrested. And, yeah, she asked me something like this being an illegal protest, and I said this isn't an illegal protest. It's in our charter of rights and freedoms. We have the right to peaceful assembly. No. So this thing is an illegal protest. Exactly. So, yeah, that would be a riot. Right? And there was never a riot.

So we spent some time up there, and I remember right before I got arrested, we were sitting because there was, like, somebody serving hot soup and chili and people milling around and this couple walks by with the cutest little girl, the most beautiful little girl, and she's carrying this little Canadian flag. And it was unusual. People that would see us would always ask us for pictures, but I she was just so adorable. I just said to her mom, like, could I take a picture with your daughter?

And, a girl that was with us had the sparkly balloon. So so she gave this little girl the sparkly balloon, and that's the last photo of me before I was arrested, was me, you know, kneeling down with this gorgeous little girl. We walked the 4 of us then walked down to the ARC Hotel, which was just about 2 blocks away, warmed up for a minute, and we started heading back to our hotel.

So we crossed Metcalfe and notably there was construction going on so it was very dark, there was not a lot of people down there, you know unlit, very private, away from the crowds and the lights. And this couple came towards us and and this lady recognized me and started crying and can I hug you? And can I take your picture? And, as we're standing there talking, a police sir Suburban goes flying

by, and then another one and then another one and then another one pulled in and stopped. And I said, here we go. Get your camera out. And thankfully, Johnny, who was our fuel guy, one of our fuel guys down there recorded that's the gentleman that recorded my arrest. And

Most of the stuff that they took out of my pockets was destroyed because they it was damp and they put it all into a so I had my Freedom pants on

I had, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and a rose quartz hard in this pocket. So and and a and a card from a thank you card from a from a child. So I and a cameo of the Virgin Mary that somebody had given me when I was down there. Because I thought if you guys were gonna arrest me, you have to make note of all of this. And I want you to have to write every single account. So anyways, they searched me outside and then, of course, took me in and tried to interrogate me.

Can I ask, have you ever been arrested before this? No. I've never even been in Facebook jail before this. Like So how

that he had. And then, of course, they they wait until the middle of the night when you're feeling really tired, and then they try and and take you upstairs to interrogate you. But it was interesting because, of course, I called my lawyer. And anytime they took me out of my cell to talk to my lawyer, I was handcuffed, Right? Unshackled. So

But you're a big dangerous risk to me. That's right. So they take me into the cell. I'm talking with the the my lawyer and she says they've assigned a homicide detective to you. And I'm like, a homicide detective? So high ranking murder detective.

And I had to establish a rapport with these men. And I literally just drove across Canada with all these truck drivers, so a big man isn't gonna scare me. Anyways, it was just kind of funny and she said well it's to intimidate you. So I'm like okay, that's fine. So of course they wait till the middle of the night when you're run down and tired and they take that's when they take you upstairs to do their interview. And I remember thinking to myself, I wonder if this is gonna be good cop, bad cop.

So we get upstairs into this room, detective Benson, the big guy takes me upstairs, puts me in this interview room, and there's plexiglass, you know, because it's COVID or whatever. And then, of course, this young, well dressed, clean-cut, handsome young man comes in. I'm like, I think this is good cop, bad cop. So he's like, can I get you a coffee?

We you can take your mask off. We can move this plexiglass out, and I'm like, I don't care what to do. You know? Love a coffee though because I was pretty sure it was gonna be the last one I was gonna get for a while. And he starts asking me these questions, and I know I'm supposed to say no comment, but he'd asked me a question and I'd be like

because I think because Canadians want their rights and freedoms back and he'd asked me another question because Canadians want their rights and freedoms back. And then he asks me, well why do you think you've got so much support from across this whole country,

you know, that are supporting you through this. Really what they're all trying to do is get me to say that I'm the leader. Like I'm in charge, I'm running the whole show, that's what they're driving at, which wasn't true, it wasn't the case. And I said I think because Canadians wanted their rights and freedoms back. Why do you think we got so much support from all these Canadians?

And then I got some, like, word salad non answer and I'm like, okay, this is good cop, bad cop. So I just no comment. No comment. No comment. No comment. And then Ben the the other the other guy came in and sat down, and he asked me questions too. And I just like, no comment. No comment. He tried to get me to sign something. I didn't even read it. Nope. No. Thanks. I'm not signing it.

And, then they took me down to the cell for the night. Actually, I think I spent 2 nights in in cells in the police station, which is very exhausting because it was cold, and I didn't get much sleep before they took me the detention center.

everyday Canadians because I was a danger. My my release would put the administration of justice into disrepute. Turns out though, she was a former liberal candidate in the 2000 tens. She was running for the Liberal Party of Canada in the 2000 tens.

And so yeah. So then it has to go up. So that's Ontario Provincial Court. So then when you do a bail review, it goes to the superior court, and then we have the supreme court, which is federal. So you spent 18 days in the prison at that point? Yeah. What what was what was your day to day? What's the day like in that prison? What was the prison like? Well, the first week I was in solitary confinement. He was in solitary confinement? Yep. So Tell me what that's like.

You know, I got a little bit of rest, which I needed, and I did a lot of praying. I did a lot of meditation. I washed all this terrible graffiti off my walls. I scrubbed the floor with a toothbrush. They're literally like you'd see in on TV. Scrubs scrubbed my toilet because it was dirty and wet. And a half hour lockup.

So, yeah, I, I I just I I worked out like I was, you know, doing push ups and lunges and just staying active. And and I started I I took the graffiti off the side of my bunk. Bless you. Listen. And, I I started just keeping track of the days because I it's hard to tell when it's winter, and then there's this, like, little teeny window, like, 16 feet over my head.

which is the equivalent of the BBC, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, and you guys have the BBC. Yep. And literally people watch them, like the crowds over here and they watch this crew set up and paint their or point their cameras in the opposite direction. At no one. At no one. And say no one's there. That's right. And find the worst people that are there. Yeah. That's right. And that's what they wanted. Yeah. They tried to go out and find the the loudest, most belligerent,

And without a doubt, I'm I know it. And to this day, Chris and I there's no event that we've gone to. We know we're still being surveilled. There's no event that we go and speak at, either one of us, separately or together where there's not undercover officers there, which I understand you have some experience with now.

So here in 2 days? So that yeah. So we get so and then I was released with conditions very heavy conditions. Chris didn't even have it near the conditions that I had. What are the conditions? Well the first condition was I was supposed to get out of Ontario within 24 hours, but the joke was on them because we had a travel mandate at the time and I wasn't vaccinated.

So I couldn't get on a plane and leave, which so so I had 72 hours to get out of Ontario. I was banned from the province of Ontario. I was not allowed to post, login, post, or ask somebody to post on social media on my behalf into any of my accounts. I had no contact orders with Chris Barber, Tom Tommy Mara Tom Marazzo, Danny Bulford, and, Pat King and a bunch of others, some of them who I don't even know, which is kind of funny.

I had to have my surety, The person responsible for me, I guess, basically, go she has to go through my devices, make sure that I'm not talking to anybody I'm not supposed to be talking to. I'm not allowed to organize, organize or advocate for or support any protests. I have to reside at my residence. I'm not allowed to move out unless it's into my surety's basement. I think that's it. There there's a lot of them.

but they're all very strong young women, and I'm so proud of them. Like I said, that the toughest part was when my daughter woke up and read that I'd hung myself in jail. Was that in this first sentence? That was the first sentence. Yeah.

we've exposed so much already just by being here. We're gonna expose more now. You're not done with me. So I mean let's go. I'm I'm I'm I got this, you know. And I just really clung to that the whole time I was in there, and and I just you just put well, you've been to jail, you know. You just put one foot in front of the other and you just keep going and, you know, the the thing about jail that I learned was that when you're in a situation like that, every drop of kindness, every little

teeny tiny drop of kindness that somebody shows you is amplified so much. And I would have got, you know, guards saying, you know, don't give up. And I'm like, I won't, you know, stay strong. I got this. Don't worry. You know, I I obviously, there was some that didn't agree with me and what I was there, but there was there was some support in there and and, you'll read a story in my book that I'll let you read about a gentleman in there

who was like an angel sent from God. I I know what he was sent there for me that day. It was this day second time I was denied bail when I was arrested on an alleged breach. And, it was a pretty crushing day, but

So what hap but it was the first dinner was in Toronto, which was in Ontario, which I was banned from. So we ended up having a bail hearing, so that to see if, you know, to ask a judge if I could please go. Yep. And during the course of that bail hearing, this also came out, this pendant. The crown prosecutor tried to have me jailed over this.

It was a gift that was sent to me from a lady in Thailand who had not seen her kids in 2 years because of the mandates, and she asked me for a picture, you know, I got this beautiful letter and anyone that wrote me or or whatever I would text them or call them and she made these beautiful pendants and so I got this letter I messaged her right away I said thank you so much I love it I'm never taking it off and she's like you're like a brand ambassador

Can you send me a photo? Can I put it on social media? And I said, I would love to send you a photo. I said, I can't I can't tell you about social media because I'm banned from it. I'm not allowed to do that. But just when she posted it, she put posted with permission. So

whatever. It she it was innocent. A photo of you with that? It was totally innocent. So this first bail hearing, the crown prosecutor has a total conniption fit over it, tries to have me breached on this, fights me going to get this award. Anyways, long story short, we ended up winning. The judges said yes, you can go. But so they changed my condition. I could go to Ontario. I just couldn't go to the red zone in Ottawa like the protest zone I'm still banned from there.

And, so I go to this award which is a JCCF Justice Center For Constitutional Freedoms dinner and it's full of lawyers. My lawyer was there, my previous lawyer, I'd switched lawyers because Chris and I had the same lawyer at the beginning, but I mean, let's face it. This was gonna be a lot of work.

The president of the JCCF JCCF was sitting at my table. He is a lawyer. Lawyers everywhere. Anyways, so we walk into this event in Toronto and, the gentleman that had come with us who was with us on the ground in Ottawa, good friend of mine, comes over and he says Tom Orazo is here. Like, what the hell is going on? And Tom Orazo was In the last piece. So, we were assured everything was fine. There was lawyers there. Everything was okay. So naive me. I'm like, well, everything must be okay.

So then at time comes time to go get seated at our table and I see Tom Marazzo seated at our table and I was like well this must be this has to be okay, Like, I can't have anything to worry about. They're not gonna put me in jeopardy. They're not certainly not gonna seat this man at my table unless they're confident that this is okay. So,

we did the speech, did the presentation. It was a beautiful evening. And at the end of the night where a group of us are walking to leave and this young lady says, well, let's take a photo. And we're like, I don't know. I don't know. But then we said, well, I said, I would I would like a photo actually just, like, for us to for just for us, just for us to have a memory of this beautiful evening. It can't go on social media. So

and I think it was actually John Carpe, the president of the JCCF, that took the picture. And what you don't see in the picture so there's a few people, then there's me standing beside Tom Arazo, and then the picture ends, and then there's a lawyer from the Justice Center right there. Okay. But he wasn't in the photo. So I get up the next morning. I looked at my husband's Facebook page, and I see a picture on Facebook. This picture was posted on Facebook. So

I didn't know what was gonna happen. Anyways, I I called my my surety, so my surety to just let her know that this had happened, and I talked to some of our legal counsel about about it. And everything was nothing happened. We continued. I went back to work. And then a couple weeks later, on a Monday afternoon, I actually stopped on my way home from work at my surety's so she could go through all my devices and make sure I was being a good girl. And then I went home.

And as I was going, I live in a kind of a crazy area of Medicine Hat. There's lots of turns. And I make this turn, and I see the lights come on behind me and I thought oh maybe I was speeding because I did rush to get ahead of someone to get my exit right. Not even thinking because at this point I'm still so gullible and so naive. So I pulled my truck over, dig out my license, my registration, my insurance, And, the this young officer comes over, and

I said, okay. I got everything ready for you. And I handed it to him and he just kinda looked at it and he goes, when I run your plates, it's coming back that there's a warrant for your arrest. And I said, what? Like, I was almost laughing because I was like you're kidding me. He said no I've ran your plates there's a Canada wide warrant for your arrest. And I was like, okay. So I was stunned.

So I said I'm not bringing my cell phone and I did that on Ottawa too. When I figured that you're gonna be arrested I left all of my devices in the room. And so I I said I'm gonna leave my cell phone here and then I said what's your name? And he he was uncomfortable and he's Josh, right? I'm just thinking this constable so and so, right? And he's like, it's Josh. And I'm like, okay, okay, Okay. Well, I just, you know, leave my stuff here.

I get out of my truck and we head back to the car before he handcuffs me and I and then I was like, I realized I have got no phone numbers for anyone. So I said, can I go back to my car and and just take down my lawyer's number? And he let me do that and then handcuffed me and and took me down to the Medicine App Police Service. And I spent the night there. And this is obvious all also just before Canada Day, which was going to be our 1st Canada Day. It's next week, ain't it? Yeah.

Since since the convoy happened. Anyways, it was quite a journey. I was handcuffed and shackled. The sheriffs took me to Calgary. They flew into homicide detectives from Ottawa to meet me in in Calgary. And but the one officer on the way there, it was funny because they were so supportive and I remember when they took they were we did the meet in Bassano, Alberta. That's where the Calgary sheriff's picked me up.

And I asked if I could go and choose the washer when he took me in and we're walking back and he's and this guy says to me, don't let them break you, miss Leech. Stay strong. And I said, I won't. I got this. And but the Calgary Police Service were completely they were like no sense of humor whatsoever. And so then we get to the airport and they they put me in a wheelchair, left me handcuffed. No. Sorry. They had me shackled and they but they took off my handcuffs for to preserve my dignity.

And they wheeled me through going, I was in a cell, the detective showed up, and I remember him popping his head in and I'm in there like doing push ups and lunges and stuff. And the detective comes in and he's like okay we're gonna be ready to leave at such and such a time and I'm like okay.

And, then he then he opens the door and he goes, you're gonna have to put a mask on. You're not gonna give us any hassle, are you? And I said, of course not. I said, I want this to go just as smoothly as you do. Like, why would you automatically assume I'm gonna be a jerk about it? And then then they put me back in the wheelchair, shackled me, but took off my handcuffs, wheeled me through the entire airport. They took off my shackles so that we could get on the plane and, we flew back and

I spent 30 days in jail. I had my bail hearing and I was denied bail a second time.

old meeting to stop? No. Because I I never would have. Yeah. He never would have really knew that. Yeah. He he he was selectively supportive sometimes. So so, yeah, that's that's been another thing. So I mean, it's really

I remember she did. Like, I introduced myself, and she seemed actually quite nice. She'd been in there for a long time. She was and she just looked at me, and she looks at me in the eyes, and she says, you don't belong here. And I said, no. I don't. So, so so I was in cell block, of course, at first. I went about 6 days without a shower. They weren't giving us yard time. We didn't get access.

The second or third day that I was in cell block, they ended up putting another girl in there, who slept at a mat on the floor because they were overcrowded. And so we had no room. I still worked out but I ended up having to, like, work out in this little tiny space between the door and the toilet. This young woman was quite disturbed. She would save, like, her garbage, her food garbage and stuff and hide it.

And, like, they come and collect it after you eat so you don't get bugs because she felt that she was getting messages and energy from this garbage. And they would have episodes, really nasty, nasty episodes, like psychiatric problems.

I'm sorry I interrupted you there. That's okay. I'm just so shocked to be hearing the story of In Canada. In Canada. This is what's happening in Canada. So you've default okay. 18 days you're in there. No. Another 30 days. Another 30 days. Yeah. Well, then you get bail after 30 days. Do you? Yeah. I did. Yeah. And a judge granted me bail.

And this justice of the peace actually had me stand up like you see in TV and read off all my charges, which had never happened to me before. Turns out he was a procurement officer for Parks Canada before he came, became a justice of the peace deciding people's fates. And he went up one side of me and down the other. He compared my charges to firearms charges. I was looking at 10 years in jail. I was a danger to society.

Again, releasing me to the public would put the administration of justice into disrepute. Like this guy hammered me. So I went downs back downstairs. They took me back downstairs in leg shackles and handcuffs, to the cells.

And court days are the worst days because they take you from the remand center in the morning, and you could sit in a cell whole day sitting there waiting. Yeah. Nothing with nothing. Yeah. Get me back to jail. So I get back downstairs and I get to my room where there's 4 cells and there's a gentleman and his partner waiting there. And he's looking at me from over his glasses, and he says,

I just want you to know that it breaks my heart that you're in here. Because they would take off my handcuffs and shackles to put me in. He said, I'm so sorry that they're doing this to you. And his partner's like, you know, stay strong. And I said, I will. Don't give up, he said. And I said, I won't. And, anyways, he was so kind, and I got tears in my eyes. And I try to never I have a really hard time showing vulnerability even though you wouldn't know, but the amount I cry. But,

you know, I was very grateful. Like I said, it's just that little bit of kindness. And so he puts me back in the cell block and then it's time to leave. And he takes me back out, and he put he's like, I just want you to know it breaks my heart that I have to put these handcuffs on you. My church is praying for you every day. You know, thank you for what you're doing. Freedom isn't free. And he didn't shackle me.

So and he and then he made a joke he's like well I'm driving you back he said I'm gonna put you in the front it's the best spot and he said I'm a good driver It's the least bumpy spot, he says. So we get back to the Reman Centre, and there's another transport. So what they do in Reman is you have to go into one building where they scan you, through a machine to make sure you've not shoved things anywhere. And so we so we get there, and there's another transport in there.

And so we pull out to wait outside, and it's a beautiful, beautiful July day. And all of a sudden, the doors to my little cubicle open. And, like, there's sunshine, and he starts talking to me just like I'm a normal human being. Right? Takes takes my handcuffs off. So me and him, his partner, were just sitting there talking, and he tells me, like, he is from Poland. He escaped Poland. I I get his whole story, and it was, like, heartbreaking. And

so then so then all of a sudden it's time to go and they closed the door but they didn't put my handcuffs back on. So we pull into the into the detention center and thank gosh I was on the other side not the side that faced where the scanning machine was and his partner opened the door and I'm like, I'm sure he's never heard this before. I'm like, can you please put my handcuffs on? I don't want you guys to get in trouble.

She's like, oh, wow. Thank you. And I was like, oh, well, like, I don't even know what would happen to you guys. So he puts my handcuffs on, go in, do the thing, come back out, and he's walking us into the women's portion of the cell. And he thanks me again. And I said, no. I said, thank you because you were an angel sent from God for me today. And I said I'll never forget never forget it. And every day when I would get outside and run laps, you just find little things.

And I would look I do a lap and I look at this brick and that brick became Robert. And every lap I would do I was like I'm this is for you Robert. I'm not gonna give up. I'm gonna stay strong. And after my book came out I realized that I didn't change any names in my book.

Paul Bernardo's trial, well, they also murdered her sister, Carla Homolka's sister. His trial lasted 4 months, and Carla Jamalco was sentenced to 12 years. So that tells me that they are terrified of us. And

how have you as a as a mother, as a lady dealt? How have you dealt with this? Have you been in very dark place?

Everything that everything that has happened to me, I feel very protected one way or another. Do I don't think that they're gonna get 10 years in jail,

like, they're gonna go and pick the ones that They handpicked the people. That's right. Because the data, they can understand how people politically think, mindsets on views, so then when they're picking their juries, it's even more dangerous now. So, no, we opted for a a judge and we actually I I do I know a lot of, the judiciary has been politically pressured that's a given just based on some of the convictions that we've seen from other truckers that were there, but we ended up with a

very great judge and, I I she's impressed me. She's not for one side or the other. Like, she's very fair. She's not known to, put people in jail unnecessarily. She's seen all the evidence that they've presented. We didn't even mount a defense, like, we didn't even call any evidence because all we saw there is there was this video of us say be peaceful and peaceful and respect the police. Right?

And I thought I wouldn't change. I wouldn't trade a single second in jail for that moment because that's what we were fighting for. You know? Smiles, seeing people's faces, families, our future.

and approached me about writing a book, and I remember we were just even discussing, like, the the length. Right? And and Ezra was like, oh, it should be about 200 pages. And I'm like, 200 pages? Well, I think I could probably sit for you to talk to her for another 20 hours. Yes. Like, this is like a Lord of the Rings, like, trilogy with prequels and sequels. I mean, there's so much more that isn't in it, but, you know, it's really important

that people understand what happened here. The freezing of the bank accounts, how Canadians were vilified, how we were treated just trying to peacefully protest, and all and just all we wanted was for somebody to come out and listen to us, for somebody to come out and talk to us, and they couldn't even do that. So I'm really proud of it. It's an easy read,

and it was also very therapeutic because for the 1st year, I I wasn't allowed to say anything. It's a bestseller. Right? It was a best seller. And you know how many mainstream, agencies have come and did a review? None. 0. Good. You don't want them. Yeah. That's right. Exactly. Exactly. You don't need them anymore. We are the media. Yeah. We are the media. That's right. We are the media. Yes.

I would I would say Google it, but don't use Google because a bunch of other things are gonna come up. But I will have a website coming out that's gonna be listing. Chris and I are really busy right now trying to go in to help other people raise money for their own legal cases or for the vaccine injured. That's kind of a mission that we're working on now,

to help these people get the support that they need. So there'll be like, our events will be posted on there and and stuff like that and, and, updates on our trial and stuff. So yeah.

story. If you want to help me along that way, it's not free. I need your support. If you can support my family, that gives me my peace of mind. It means I can continue to do the work I do. I appreciate every bit of support as do my children. Gives me the ability to fly them out here to see me so I can stay in constant contact with them. I'm the platform and I'm censored, so I need you. I need you to share this content, and make sure you stay tuned for upcoming weekly guests,

interesting guests, exciting guests. I'm Tom Robson, and this has been my podcast, Silence.