¶ Intro / Opening
Hey everyone, on today's episode we welcome Pancho Campo to the pod. Poncho is a former Davis Cup team captain for Qatar. He was the captain and manager of the Chilean Olympic team in 1992 and was a director and founder of the Baltieri Tennis Academy in Spain. On today's episode, we discuss embracing fear and his smile method for building mental toughness. So sit back, relax, and prepare to become a smarter tennis player. All right, Pancho, welcome to the pod.
Thank you. We're glad to be here.
Great to have you on. You were a great player. You were a coach. You've kind of been inv involved with every level of tennis. And we were talking pre-show about some of the interesting things about mentality versus physical skills. And so I was just wondering if you could give the listener a quick background on who you were as a player and kind of what you struggled with and how that led you to where you are today.
Absolutely. Uh I I tried to to become a a professional tennis player. But you know, m my first attempts were satellites and challengers. And although I had um quite a good physique, I was quite at the time I I I had the enough height, you know, today players are super high. Super tall. Um I I was fast and strong and I had very good strokes. I didn't have any any any weak points but
I had a very weak mentality. I couldn't handle my nerves, I couldn't handle my emotions and fear was my biggest enemy. And it became so uncomfortable to be uh in in that situation that I decided to quit and become a coach. with with a very uh with a very defined purpose, tried to help my players in all those areas that I couldn't help myself. it paid off because as a coach in the ATP I remember the first three players that I got under my wing
uh one of them was six hundred, the other one was uh two hundred and fifty and the other one was right above a hundred top in six months I I I managed to get all of them in the top hundred. And we even we even made uh the uh quarter finals of the French Open in Dallas.
Amazing. Amazing. So I just met you about six minutes ago, but I'm asking you a pretty vulnerable, serious question here. But you said fear was something you struggled with. When you were a player, what was it that you feared personally?
¶ What he feared
It depends on the day. I mean, fear of uh embarrassing myself in front of the public, fear of disappointing my coaches. fear of not making it to the next tournament and you know that you a at at a certain point you have to start making some money and you gotta start earning the points so you're not gonna be able to play the next tournament.
So there's this all these kinds of fears that I I was not able to manage and and you know, in those days that if somebody would have told me about mindfulness it would have been of a lot of help because My probably my biggest fear was the next point. Oh my god, w w what about if I failed my foreman? What about if I double fall? That was probably the biggest fear.
So you you have then founded uh SMILE Top Performance. So SMILE is an acronym and I wanna kinda run through these things. Um briefly or maybe not so briefly because I might have a ton of follow up questions. But the S in smile stands for stress mastery. So I'm I want you to just kind of explain what that is and maybe how we can
We change we we changed that for sports. The S stands for sports because we work not only with uh tennis players, we work with corporate people, we I have worked with some uh artists And w I've realized that sports is the cure for most of your problems. Unless you have a depression or something you gotta go to w to a a psychiatrist or a psychologist.
But s sports for me is the essence of my program. So we changed the S that initially was a stress for sports. The M stands for motivation. You know, you can be mentally tough, you can be prepared at a hundred percent but if you're not motivated you're not gonna make it and m the M involves also believing in yourself. That's that's the kind of motivation that we understand. The I stands for um uh inspiration.
You know, sometimes when you have to give that little extra that will take you to the next level, you need to inspire yourself either with following the example of somebody else, maybe a poem, like you know Nelson Mandela was in jail. If you've seen the movie Invictus, he got inspiration through a poem. Um The L stands for leadership.
Not only because you have to lead and be an example for others, but also you gotta take the lead of your own emotions. If you don't lead within yourself it's very difficult you're gonna lead other people. Uh and the E is for energy. We believe that in life it's more important to manage your energy than managing your time.
And you know, for us uh energy is something that fluctuates throughout the day. And w you have to know when you're gonna have a drop in your energy and you gotta learn how to recharge that energy so you can keep it more
you know, the more stable possi as possible throughout the day. You can have a perfect training but if you don't manage your energy and you have one of these night matches in in one of the Grand Slums or a late evening match and you don't know to recharge your energy throughout the day, maybe you're gonna face that match with a very low level of energy.
That one's interesting. I I want to start with that, even though it's the end of smile and it's not the beginning, but you know, that's something that most amateur players that I work with, they're adults, they get off work, they show up and they're playing at 6.30 in the evening, right?
Or you have a junior and they're leaving school and they've been in school all day with social pressures, they've been grinding academically, and then they come out and they're kind of fried. So What are some of your best tips to number one be aware of what your energy level is, but then also how to make that peak for your performance?
¶ Peaking your energy level
Ja. There's a concept that very people uh are aware of. It's called ultra dien cycles. It's it's the the small version of the circadian cycles. According to Harvard Medical School studies and a univers a couple of universities in Europe, no human being is capable of giving 100% for more than between 45 to 55 minutes.
Depending on the person. If you have to know when you're gonna have a drop in your energy and you're gonna start coming up and then another fifty minutes go by and then you go down. So in the corporate world we recommend Anybody, from the CEO to the simple secretary, receptionist, that every when do you know when your drop in energy is going to come?
You stand up from your computer, you take a five minute break, you have a coffee, you have a chat with your friends, not discussing any problems, something positive, you know, what about the football match yesterday, the soccer cup? Something that is gonna break that rhythm, is gonna help you recharge your energy. You maybe you need something to recharge your your true energy with you know, a protein bar or a coffee.
Have you haven't you thought that maybe he's going through that cycle? So you have to learn first of all, when does your cycle happen? For example, my cycle is between fifty-five and sixty minutes. I can stay working at a very nice pace with a lot of energy for 55 minutes. After 55 minutes, I gotta stand up, take a walk, have a coffee, maybe have some nuts, maybe some almonds, and recharge.
No not not a big meal. It's just to recharge that bit of energy that you require to take you through the next cycle and the next cycle and the next cycle. A lot of people for example when they We we have this with players that you in Spain, you know, we our hours are very late. We have lunch at two o'clock, we have dinner at at nine o'clock. When I was working as a coach in a local club I used to start coaching my top players at 7pm.
And they would come straight from school, do the homework, get into the court. No snack bars, no nothing to eat, uh they didn't recharge your batteries, so their level of effort by nine PM was very low. Until we discovered that when they came from school they had to take a little break, maybe five minutes, maybe ten minutes, they had to eat something, they had to hydrate themselves, they had to
chill and change from being in the academic mode to the tennis player mode. That's how we we we overcame those problems in those days. And it happens at all levels.
What about in the middle? So, you know, a lot of these matches sometimes will last two and a half hours, right? And you go, well, it depends when that fifty-five minute limit runs up. What if that's at five, six in the first set? Like that's a problem, right? Is there a way on changeovers where you can almost
shut it down and go, Hey, I'm not getting a full reset. Like I didn't get the full five or ten minutes to kinda get out of here'cause the changeover is only a minute and a half. Is there anything you can do like that in the match to
Extend it and manage it. And maybe there are times where if you're up three, one, you can kind of pull off the gas a little bit and go, hey, you know what? I don't need my full energy right now. I might need it for later. Is there any way to manage that in the middle of a map?
Yeah, absolutely. Remember that you have twenty seconds between between uh between points and you got ninety seconds when you change sight.
¶ Managing energy throughout a match
In those change sites y y your coach, your team has to know Which is the best way to hydrate you? Which is the best way to replenish your energy? Maybe with an energy bar, maybe with bananas, you know, each player is different. And that is up to the coach to learn which are your patterns. That's why nowadays the relationship between is not only your coach, it's your entire team.
I mean you watch Sinner and Al Karaz and Nadal, they have the physiotherapist, they have the coach, they have the manager, they have a full team of people that they know exactly what they have to do. And sometimes when no, I remember in uh there's one of the matches where Djokovic is yelling at his team Creatine, creatine, creatine because he ne he realized that he was having a drop
in and probably his physical energy but also creating helps you in your mental energy as well. So you gotta know exactly, you know, your cycles and then there's there's ways that you can adapt to that. Uh I remember I had the chance to travel with Andre Agassi to three or four tournaments when I was working at Bolacheris and his uh
His his longtime friend who at the time was his physical trainer, Gil Reyes, big Mexican guy. He started as a bodyguard but he ended up being his business partner He used to give him what we call agua de jill, jill's water. We still don't know what was in there. But it did marvelous things. It was something and he had different you know, Jill's water was a different formula the night before the match, the morning before the match.
And during the matcha. We assume it had electrolyte, it had creatine, it had probably uh honey or some kind of carbohydrate. So he knew exactly when Andre needed any of these three formulas that he he used to use to give the the player. So I think that's the ways the best way to compensate those those cycles in energy.
It's funny. I helped with a USTA camp in the summers from two thousand six to two thousand eighteen. It was like the four best American collegiate players. And they would go train with Gill uh for three weeks in Vegas. And he had that water there. And I found it so it was so interesting because these guys would train so hard and it was a hundred and fifteen degrees outside. So they were doing tennis with me. They were doing the gym twice a day with him.
And they would show up the next day and they felt amazing and they almost made gains every day. And it was so funny because that water was still famous even uh eight years ago compared to Agassiz. Yeah.
Yeah.
So funny. Okay. I would love to talk to you about motivation. Um, because I'm a very literal person. So if I have a goal that I want to achieve. And there are things that I don't want to do that maybe aren't enjoyable. I do them anyway because I know the reward is worth whatever that process is. So I never feel like I have to motivate myself for something I actually want.
I'm curious where you stand on that, what motivation means to you for the athlete, if that's an unusual view, anything about motivation you have.
Okay. Before I answered your question, uh we were missing one very important point in the definition of smile. A smile triggers the release of endorphins, especially dopamine. Because we believe that with a smile in your face you can confront fear, you can confront stress, and it's a much better way of handling any inconvenience that you're gonna have in life, not only on the on the tennis court.
¶ Motivation
I mean in in business, in personal problems. So we we work a lot with endorphins. And m th that takes me to the second part of your question within motivation. Uh motivation for me it's it has th there's two ways of motivation. You as a coach or as a parent Have to motivate your player to give you a hundred and ten percent. Not a hundred, a hundred and ten.
But also you gotta teach your player to self-motivate himself because there will be times where you're not gonna be there. In my days, the coaches, we couldn't even talk. I remember I I got a warning, one of my players got a warning in the quarter final, in the eighth of finals of the French Open because I told one of my players from the stands, serve to the right.
and they had inspectors dressed as civilians. Nowadays you can coach your player, but the best motivation is the one that you teach your players to do it themselves. You gotta learn to motivate yourself in different ways. And that's that's that is closely linked to positive self-talk. You cannot motivate yourself if you are a negative person, number one, and also if you don't believe in yourself.
There's a you know, in all my speeches I use a short clip. Jim Currier interviewing Carlos Alcaraz in Australian Open, I think it was the semi final. He struggled throughout the entire match. And he asked him, you know, how did you manage to overcome the struggles of this match? And he said, Believe it. Because I believed throughout the entire month that I could do it.
the motivation starts by believing in yourself and as a coach you gotta you you gotta make your s your player number one believe in yourself But it's gotta be realistic. You gotta give him the tools, you gotta make sure that you know he if he has done a hundred percent of the work that you ask from him or a hundred and five percent That's believing in yourself. You have to convince him to self-talk. I've done all the homework.
There's many matches I work a lot with Tony Nadal because we both he created the the the GPT C A, the Global Professional Tennis Coach Association and I am the president of that association for Spain. So we work very closely with Tony. And it Tony is a guy that has been very strict with uh his nephew, with with Rafa.
But he one of the things that he used to tell us is, you know, Uh Rafa at in some matches he lost and he was not disappointed, he was not unhappy because he gave a hundred percent the guy the other guy was better. And that's what you aim with all the players, that you motivate yourself first of all because you gotta convince yourself that you've done everything in your power
physically, mentally, tactically, strategically. So when you lose, if you lose, it's because the other guy played better, not because you gave him the opportunity. I if you know what I mean.
Yeah, do you think that's a unique view because There's I have two questions really. Self-belief, right? So you're talking about the work that people have put in as evidence to believe in themselves, which I love. One thing that I find is when people work really hard at what they're doing and they put a lot of time in, they actually get more nervous and more scared and they go, Well, if I invested all of this, then I'd better get a result.
And I find a lot of the players that I'm around are less accepting like that. If they worked really hard and they lost, they say what's wrong? Not oh congrats to the other guy, he was better. So how do you balance that?
There's one concept that I am I am very against. lot of coaches and I'm not talking about tennis coach, I'm not talking about life coaches and performance coaches When they tell especially young people you can accomplish anything you want in life that is not true. You're lying to your players because in the final of the French Open
¶ A big lie coaches tell
Sinner wanted to become the champion. Alcaraz wanted to become the champion. Only one of them is gonna make it. So what are you trying to tell the other guy that If you lose, it's impossible.
Okay.
So you gotta be you gotta be realistic. There's and and especially I mean tennis is is tough because tennis is a game where you have to handle the stakes all the time. I mean if you in in in a game you are photos And then you end up winning half of those points you lost them. You lost them because maybe you made an error or or because the other guy played better. But as Roger Roger Federer said in the that graduation speech in in England, he said, you know
Uh although I am considered one of the best players in the history of the game, I lost fifty-three percent of all the points that I played. Fifty-three percent in no other game. You lose so much. So you have to learn to handle mistakes. So that's that's one of the things that you gotta you gotta make your player understand when it comes to motivation. You gotta put in the hours, you gotta put in the work, but you know that
There will be times where that will not be enough and you don't have to feel disappointed if you gave a hundred percent of what you got. Because there will always be someone in life that has a bit more of you. Or maybe that day he had more of you.
Do you think part of that comes down to expectation where if you say, I'm gonna put everything I have into my training, into whatever the skill it is you're trying to develop, but also acknowledging that you know there's not a 100% chance it will succeed? Are those two things Fighting each other from a belief standpoint because Whatever it is that I'm investing in.
I know that what I am doing is giving myself the best chance. I also know that my success is not guaranteed. If I wanna develop the best online academy or help my player win the supernational I can do everything correctly, but also the weather might not be good. She might not be feeling good that day. They might not play their best. There might be a tough line call.
So is it okay to believe in yourself and invest while also simultaneously giving yourself a little bit of an out to know that maybe it won't work out the way you want it?
absolutely I mean that's that's the unfair part of 10 is that there's many factors is not only you you know and For example, when you play golf The way you hit the ball is not influenced by the other player. The way I return a serve it's influenced by the strength of the serve of my opponent. That's another interesting thing. Have you ever thought that it's the only game where you start if you're starting returning the serve from Sinner?
It's like starting a soccer match with a penalty against you. So tennis is is it's it's it's tough and I would say that I I haven't I haven't seen a a game that is tougher than tennis. For so many reasons. One of them is because you have to handle mistakes all the time and you know, making mistakes is something very difficult to accept for a lot of people. Second, you got a guy that is gonna start the game, you know, serving at two hundred m two hundred kilometers an hour
And you're just starting the game. So uh you have to have into consideration that it it it doesn't depend a hundred percent on you. The weather, I don't agree with that because the weather is the same for both. So you gotta make your player tougher and be like you say, aseptic to the weather. It will affect both of us. The sun, we will change sides, so at one point it will affect me, it will affect my opponent. But The opponent, if he is better than you, there is nothing you can do.
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We talked about fear and I want to get in make sure we spend enough time on this. You said you had fears as a player. You wanted to help future players overcome that. What are some of the most common fears that you think players are dealing with? And then how have you helped players manage that on the courts or manage that in their lives so they can have peak performance?
¶ Embracing fear
There's there's many fears in in Chinese. Fear of losing, fear of making a mistake. If you are in a tournament and you know that if you don't pla win that much You're not gonna get the wild card or you're not gonna make it for the main draw of the next tournament. Or maybe like like the Polish player that reached the final in the French Open.
I was consulting for a tennis Polish tennis magazine about her. She had depression, she had knee injury, she was away from the tour. They were they were partners with Viga Esvionte. And Iga had bec has become one of the top players and this girl was always in the shadow. Um the the problem es that For example, when she reached the tournament, the fear she had was I don't have money to pay the hotel.
If I don't pay if I don't win, if I don't pass the qualifying, I d I'm not gonna be able to make it. I don't have money to pay my coaches, I don't have money to pay the hotel. Fear of if I don't make it I'm not gonna have enough points to enter the main draw, I gotta request uh wild card in the next tournament. Fear of performing in public and that's a big You know, t thirty percent of the po world population is afraid of public speaking.
No public speaking in the corporate world is like playing tennis in front of a c an audience. I have had players that playing in court thirty three in the far end of the club, they were great. As soon as they had a little audience, they struggled. So there's many kinds of fears and you have to tackle each of those fears according to the player. You can adapt the tactic to each of the players.
Now right. So I guess maybe what are some of the general things that you can do? So players have these fears. For example, uh USDA league players, they're playing in their sectional tournament, and everybody on the team is watching them. Like you said, now you're in front of everybody. What if I mess up in front of them? What if I don't come through in the clutch? What are some ways to handle that fear in the moment?
You know, last year, uh no two years ago I was finishing my book Smile the same name of
The problem.
And I wanted to test the system in myself. So I needed something very extreme. I decided to do a halo jump. That means jumping with my parachute from 25,000 feet. It's a military jump. It was invented by the Navy SEALs when they wanna penetrate the enemy lines without being detected by the radar because they jumped very high and they opened the parachute very low.
So I I put myself through that. I did a halo jump. So the first thing I I I've learned at the the first part of my system is number one, you have to accept fear. Fear is what has protected us throughout human history. It makes us aware of dangers, it makes us aware of risky situations and it protects us. So you have to accept that fear will be there and you gotta turn. Fear From your enemy to your ally. That's number one. Don't deny fear because then you're gonna struggle.
How do you accept fear? You have to know what are you afraid of. Why am I afraid of this? The biggest fear in life is the unknown, not knowing what's gonna happen. So when I did the halo jump, I studied carefully where I was getting myself into. I was gonna jump from twenty five thousand feet, where the temperature up there was minus forty Fahrenheit.
The air is very thin, so I needed an oxygen equipment because I could have hypoxia, bast out, make mistakes, etc. My freefall speed was gonna go over two hundred miles an hour. Fourth, my age. I was sixty three years old at the time. My speed of reaction is not the same. You get injury very easily and if you get injury you recover very slow. If you do recover So now, knowing that, knowing what I was afraid of, let's find how I can adapt to that. Temperature.
As a I I have my my Inuit guy when I went to Greenland said, Pancho, there's no such thing as cold weather. It's only bad clothes. So I had a perfect jumpsuit. I had no I was no cold at all. I've learned to use the oxygen equipment. I've learned the symptoms of if I had a little hypoxia I could detect it and and and remedy. Uh falling at 260, 280 miles an hour, uh we I have five hundred jumps, that's what we do most of the time. And training, training, training.
So that was the first thing. The other thing I always tell players is you don't have to be afraid of stress. Stress is what allows human beings to evolve. You will for example, if you go to the gym and you're lifting a five pounds weight, that's not it's not gonna do anything to your biceps. But if you put fifty pounds, probably you're gonna break a tendon.
So you gotta you gotta you you gotta add enough stress that your body can handle it without breaking a muscle or without because the mind is like a muscle. If you put too much stress and you're not trained to handle it, the stress will overcome you.
Okay.
How do we deal with those kind of situations, anxiety, fear? My mm m my biggest strength is breathing technique. And there's there's several ways that you can do it. I mean uh Navy SEALs use a technique called four seven eight. So you inhale for four, you hold your breath for seven, you exhale for eight, and you do it one again and again and again. That is when you are under extreme anxiety.
There's another pattern called square box or tactical breathing, which is you inhale for four, you hold your breath for four seconds, you exhale for four seconds, you hold again for four seconds, and you bake like a square. That is when you are a bit anxious, a little bit nervous, but you're not losing control. That will help you stabilize your system. And then I use my own breathing technique, which is I inhale for six.
I hold it for four or five seconds. And I have two ways of exhaling. If I'm extremely nervous, I will exhale very long. for eight seconds because as a teacher of mine said in the exhalation is the relaxation And once I exhalate for eight seconds, I hold my breath for another four seconds and I keep going up. But if I want to energize myself instead instead of exhaling low, I go.
I make four short exhales. So that's the way that I use it depending on on my mood. And you can do it on the tennis court as well. I mean most players when they in when they take the bracket back, they inhale, when they make the contact, they exhale. Because if you exhale long, you will in the exhalation is the relaxation. If your arm is relaxed, your acceleration of the bracket head will be much faster. A lot of players when they get tense, they start to hold their breath. They go like
You know, so those are things that you can you can train your players. And once the point is over Teach them to use conscious breathing. The best way to relax in between points, the best way to relax if you're extremely anxious. Let's say you are 5'4 in the fifth. That game both of the players are gonna be very anxious. In that change outside is when you can use one of those three techniques of breathing that I that I taught you.
Another one is visualization, which for me works marvelous. Every time I'm gonna jump out of a plane, I visualize myself. Hanging out of the airplane, jumping, flying, adopting the right position. Same thing when you're about to surf, you know. You make the pause, you visualize yourself tossing the ball, making the back swing, hitting the ball.
Visualize in the direction. The only trick to visualization is gotta be as real as possible and it has to be always positive. Don't visualize yourself making mistakes. Because that is counterproductive.
I I'm gonna make an assumption here that when you jump out of the plane at twenty five thousand feet That if I asked you after you're on the ground, you calm down five, 10 minutes, and I asked you to describe the event. I'm gonna guess you have a pretty good idea of before you jumped, what was happening as you jumped, and what happened after. That's just a guess that I would have for you. I have found some players when they're very stressed and emotional in a match get off the court.
And you kind of say, oh, well, you know, what do you think happened? And they have no idea, no clue. So two questions. Why does that happen? And how can we improve that?
¶ Adrenaline to dopamine
Okay. One of the things that I did in that halo jump and I also I always tell my fellow skydiver or or my tennis players, you gotta learn to turn adrenaline into dopamine. Adrenaline is the fight or flight hormone. You release adrenaline and your your body is full of adrenaline when you are under extreme stress. Makes your heartbeat go very fast, increases your blood pressure, sends all the blood to your arms and to your uh and to your legs.
my blood out of where it's not necessary, but sometimes it takes takes the blood from the brain as well. And that's the problem. So by doing all these exercises that we preach in this mile system, visualization, breathing, positive self talk is not just one strategy, is the combination all of them throughout the entire training period that is gonna allow you to to be able to change adrenaline for dopamine.
The easiest way, breathing. By breathing, you can break an anxiety attack and you can start releasing dopamine. If you are added the effects of adrenaline, most probably you won't remember what happened.
Okay, I'm asking you for me specifically. Okay. This is you coaching me now, but I'm a golfer. So I have obviously heard plenty about box breathing and how this can totally Soothe your anxiety, get you centered, all of these things. I'll find myself on the golf course in a tournament and I am mortified of what shot I'm gonna hit or if I am gonna hit it out of bounds, am I gonna hit the car on the side of the road?
And I know breathing is something that could help me in the moment in between shots. And I don't do it. And I know there's a lot of listeners who are hearing you and they go, oh, I've heard that before. Oh yeah, you should breathe. I've heard Djokovic say that too. And then they won't do it. What can you say to me or what can you say to my audience to convince them to approach this breathing as a necessary part of their development?
You gotta start doing it on your daily life. You know, when I wake up in the morning the first thing I do is I do a couple of m short, three, four, five minutes of some breathing exercise. Uh I was jumping earlier today. I did four jumps out of the plane this morning. And The first jump of the morning is usually the most stressful because you're tight. At my age when you wake up in the morning everything hurts. So I do a lot of mobility exercises.
A lot of stretching, but mo more than stretching, I do mobility exercises very similar to the Alcaraz warm up that he does. Combine it with self uh sorry with conscious breathing. When I am walking towards the plane and I just sit down, I spend a little while like doing my conscious breathing again. You have to make breathing a ritual. Like you bounce the ball before you serve or you jump or or you you know you you shuffle before you uh before you return the serve.
Uh you gotta have breathing as a ritual in your life. If you think that it's gonna work just because one day you got nervous and you're gonna do it right there, most probably it's not gonna work. It's gotta come naturally and you gotta develop muscle memory for breathing. You gotta do it this in in such a way that it's it becomes completely automatic.
It's you're gonna get to the point to a point where you're gonna need it. Your body is gonna tell you, Oh, it's time to breathe and you're gonna do it and you're gonna feel so good and so much better that every time you are under that situation You y you're not gonna think about it, you're just gonna do it.
I love it. So often people will message me online or they'll tell me about their strokes and why they're failing. And a lot of times my feeling is it's more emotional management or between the ears. A lot of the stuff you're talking about. For people who've enjoyed your stuff today, where can they find you online?
Pancho Campo dot com very easy. Or in Instagram, Pancho Campo Smile. That's where you can find uh What have I done in my life? What am I doing now? Then you can find a lot of information about the SMILE program. And in Instagram we're posting regularly the things that I do. I mean this I I posted this morning one of the jumps I did yesterday in my training for my my next adventures I'm gonna jump out of the in the Everest.
You're wild, dude. You you you're you're really embracing that fear really well, by the way.
You know, it has it it has taught me so much but we we do it for a good cause. It's a charity. When I did the Halo and my jump in the Everest is I wanna bring attention to how important it is that we all fight bullying. I had one of my one of my children was a victim of severe bullying. And we see my my wife owns a school and we see that kids nowadays they have attention deficit disorder, they have fears, they have anxiety, they don't know what they want, and the extreme
uh case is is bullying. So when I jump out of a plane in the Everest, I just want to bring attention on how important it is that we protect mental health, especially of the upcoming generation, Gen Gen Z.
It's an incredible cause and so impressive. I've learned a ton. Hopefully my audience has as well. And thank you so much for being on the podcast.
My pleasure, Jonathan. It was it was great having a chat with you. I hope I brought some some good ideas to your audience.
All right, I want to thank Pancho for coming on the pod and obviously important information as we all face fear and anxiety on the course. One little throwaway comment he made that always made a difference for me was actually smiling. It's something my coaches talked about when I was younger, and if you watch me compete today, I smile all the time.
Mostly because I mean it, but also because it actually has a positive chemical reaction and helps reduce my stress out there. So keep that in mind. On another note, the Stokey Doubles Club is off to a great start, and I've had a few questions that I want to answer. And if you're still listening to the pod at this point, you're at diehard, so this might actually be for you.
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I can't tell you how fun it's been for me to meet some of the people who have been following the pod, YouTube, or Instagram for a long time. So check that out. I'd love to see you all in there. And as always, thanks again for listening. I hope you just improved a tennis without even hitting a ball.