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Now to my interview with head baseball coach at Buckeye Valley High School , johnny DeRing . And joining me today is Johnny DeRing , head baseball coach at Buckeye Valley High School in Delaware , ohio . Coach , thanks for taking the time to be on Baseball Coaches .

that know me , I coached at Buckeye Valley for almost 15 years and I have a lot of great memories of BV baseball . But one of the first things that I think of is the community's passion for baseball , and now that you're settled in up there and you've continued the winning ways , explain your experience and why the community is so important to your program .

You know I've got a freshman right now whose dad played for you and you know he graduated back in the early 2000s and you know he graduated back in back in the early 2000s . But you know it's small and it's a . It's a great blue collar neighborhood or a blue collar community .

You know , when I first took the job , looking around the field , I kind of came up with a list of things that we had to have done and I had two dads , one of which was a Buckeye Valley grad . He actually played football there and his son was a junior at the time .

And there was another dad that I met after my first meeting and they said you know , hey , what do you need ? What do we need to do ? What do we need as far as facilities ? Blah , blah , blah , blah , blah .

And of course , you know you have your wish list , you have your wish list and , and some of those things aren't necessarily feasible , but the , the ones that that were were feasible , uh , we , I think we started working on them the next week , um , and you know the , the first thing we , we had to address was , you know , having a having a good bullpen , uh ,

for our catchers to , or for our pitchers to prepare on , and , um , you know , we , we did that , we did that , we did , we got some estimates to have it done , um , somewhat professionally , um , and those estimates came in the price-wise pretty high .

And you know , we , we kind of sat down back at the drawing board and said , you know , how can we do this , uh , within a , within a reasonable budget ? And they were , they were much handy , much more handy than I am .

So we came up with some ideas and they led the way and I was the grunt work and , you know , we built a magnificent bullpen for our kids to use . So it's just stuff like that .

The smaller community if we need something with my coaching staff I think I'm the only one on my coaching staff without ties to the community Um , you know , uh , my , my , my assistants , um , all grew up in the community . So if there's something we need done , you know it's very easy . Hey , well , I know this guy , he can , he can help us out with this .

And I know this guy , maybe he can get us a donation of this and , um , so , just the , the community aspect of of being able to , to , to get things done is is incredible .

So , and then also , you know , living in the community , um , it's great , like I , my favorite part of it , and this is kind of a product of how I grew up Um , my parents were both teachers . My dad was a coach . You know , I love going out .

When I go out to dinner with my family , I love going out to dinner and seeing not just my players but I like seeing my students . So , you know , being a small community , it's great . I love every aspect of it .

And there the the number of people that came back there and they were like , wow , you know , this is , this is beautiful . Back here , you know it's that field secluded and yeah , and , and if you're not a baseball person you may not know it's back there and .

And um , uh , you know , just that initial youth night that we did it was my second year Um , just that initial youth night we did , man it is , it is exploded where , uh , last year we were able to get , um , I think every kid got a hot dog , I think every kid got a , got a cone of ice and , and it was paid for by people in the community .

Um , so it was , it was great and we're looking forward to another , another huge youth night . You know we do it there towards the end of the year when the weather's nice and people want to be outside .

I don't this coming week it wouldn't be good to do youth night , because it's going to be a little chilly , but you know it's a testament to the community and how much of a baseball community is too , because there are people I've already had people reach out , you know , hey , when is it that are already looking forward to it ?

So , and again , that's that was run by . That was run by by my , by my parents . They set it up , you know . They said , hey , can we do a youth night ? And I said yeah , let's do it . They said , give us a date . I gave them a date and they said we'll take care of the rest .

in the uh , in the Midwest , slash North , I guess you can say .

You know , there are times when , when we're we're stuck inside in a , in in the gym , or , you know , in a , in a , in a indoor facility somewhere , whereas down there , I mean , we wanted to take bp on christmas day . We were saying we could take bp on christmas day .

Um , you , you know , it was , uh , it was like and and and the other thing is is is sports are very , very , very much at the forefront of every school down there . Um , it is , it is a major um , it's , it's the most important thing , which , which has its , has its benefits and it has its drawbacks .

You know we're what's the percentage of kids that go to the big leagues ? You know it's less than less than one percent . Um , so it , you know there's some trade-off there , but , um , I would say you know just , the biggest thing is the weather and and the . The facilities are absolutely incredible . Um , every , every school has lights .

Every school has a , has a hitting facility . Every most schools I would say better part of 95 , 90 , 95 percent of schools have just an outstanding playing surface to play on . So you know it , it has its , it has its , it has its . Obviously , just like everything else , it has its pros and its cons , but the biggest thing is just , you know the weather .

You can do anything you want all year round . You know we can't even get out to work on our field in December and January , so any work we're going to do on our field has to be done excuse me , over the summer in preparation for the next season , you know . So we're always kind of working ahead , you know , looking ahead to the next season .

There , you know you have weather to work on your field , to improve your facilities and , like I said , it truly is , it's year-round .

We need our best athletes playing basketball . We need our best athletes playing football . We need our best athletes playing basketball . We need our best athletes playing baseball , and you know we have some soccer players that play . We have some wrestlers and you know there aren't too many kids who are tougher than wrestlers .

So you know , when you get a wrestler that brings a wrestling mentality to baseball , you know the big thing in baseball now is you talk about mental toughness . You're not going to find anybody more mentally tough than a wrestler . You know those kids are a different breed . So you know , as far as just the importance of playing multiple sports , it helps .

Obviously it helps with athleticism and fostering athleticism . But the mental side of it . We have a couple golfers and our golf coach is fantastic . He actually got his team a mental training coach . You can see those kids bring what he's taught them with the mental stuff into their baseball . They have a few bad at-bats they're able to .

You know , just like in golf , you can't let one bad shot ruin your hole . So you've got to flush it , you've got to move on , and you know how often do we say that to a pitcher . You know , forget about the last pitch , make the next one , forget about the last at-bat , be successful in the next one .

So those those multi-sport athletes are just are fantastic . You know , I've had over the years , I've had some . I've had football players that have played for me , and one kid actually , in particular comes to mind . He . He was going into his senior year and you know we weren't really sure if he was going to be able to be our starting catcher .

He was a football player and going into his senior year a football coach moved him to nose tackle . That work that he got at nose tackle made him the starting catcher that year for his senior year . Because his , his agility improved , his footwork improved , he just his overall quickness and every facet of being a catcher was improved .

And we talk about it all the time because the other two guys I was coaching with at the time they were also football coaches as well as myself . You know those that work that he got got him to the next step , to be to be our starting catcher .

He's there , and how important has that group of guys been to your team's success .

And well , I'm already awake , but I get a text from him at 7 o'clock in the morning every morning . Here's the outline of the day , here's what my plan is today . And you know he's already texting me today .

He's going to swing by the field and check it after all the rain we've had , and see what we can do to to prep it for tomorrow , because , because we're supposed to have games all week , um , and you know , greg , excuse me , greg , back to back to the community part .

A man's been entrenched in this community for years upon years , upon years , um , and , and you know , greg , and , and doug and rod , uh , rod , they volunteer . They don't want to dime , they just want to be around and they make me better , and they're not afraid to tell me what they think , and they're not afraid to tell me when they think I'm doing wrong .

And it's something I truly value , because I think we had a discussion about some of our , some of our players behavior and and they and they weren't saying the kids were doing anything wrong , but they were saying this needs to be addressed . We need to change this part of it . And and it was something that you know there's there's what ?

A 30 year age gap between myself and the three of them . You know there's something that I didn a 30 year age gap between myself and the three of them . Um , you know something that I didn't really pick up on , but as soon as they brought it up , I was like , yeah , you know , they're right , we , we do need to change that . Um , and so we did .

And then , of course , um , you know Rod , rod's a former , former school board member . Um , you know , just having him around , they are able . The three of them are , you know , with the freshman team and they really get those freshmen in gear for going to JV .

And then , once they come to me with varsity you know it takes a lot off of my plate where I don't have to teach them about the culture , I don't have to teach them about what the coaches expect , because those three guys are , are on top of it . Um , they do . They do that part for me .

And , um , and you know that that age , that age difference makes it makes a huge difference . Um , you know they're they're viewed as that . They older , wiser , and our kids see that too . You know when they , when they look at those kids , they're looking at a true adult figure that has been around the block quite a few times . And then , of course , josh .

I can't say enough about Josh , not only with his knowledge of the game , just the way he is able to communicate with our kids and break things down with our kids . You know , those guys are just absolutely invaluable .

well , number one you know games matter , winning matters , winning really matters . Like I'm not diminishing winning by any stretch of the imagination , because you know , as coaches , we want to win more than the players a lot of the time . But you know , in Ohio everybody makes the playoffs .

So we don't want to be playing our best in March and April , we want to be playing our best in May , and so we really just try to build our guys up because we want to win in May , we want to win in June , we want to prepare ourselves for a long playoff run , and so we try to not overwork our kids early in the season especially .

You know we're going to be playing a game this week when it's going to be 40 degrees and there's a 15-mile-an-hour wind . It's going to be chilly .

You know , just from an arm care standpoint , it doesn't matter how many times you run down to the foul pole in between innings , you're , you're not going to be warm , you're not going to , you're not going to stay hot , and and so we , we try to take all those things into consideration .

The other thing that that we've really incorporated excuse me , since I took over is is is our preparing to pitch . Our pitchers have a minimum 45-minute routine prior to the game that they are expected to go through so that they can get ready to step on the mound . And we don't want we call it being third inning ready .

We want them to be as loose and as warm and as hot at the first pitch of the game that some pitchers would be at the third inning . We've all seen pitchers go out there and they might struggle for inning one and two and then they get on cruise control third inning . I want cruise control in the first inning .

We're looking at hitters , we're trying to figure out hitters that first time through the lineup . So we want to take one of the elements out of it . We want them to be prepared and then let the coaches do their job to evaluate that first time through the lineup to see where we can get .

We can get them um , later on in the game and you know that that the idea was always there . But that phrasing I got from um la court . Uh , he was a , he was at otterbein and then um , I think he does some stuff down at the bow dome still um he's a white horse la court is .

Obviously we follow the pitch count guidelines put forth by OHSAA , but ours is actually a little bit more in depth than that . We do an hour per pitch of rest . So if they throw 50 pitches they have to have 50 hours of rest . So I think off the top of my head . One thing on the OHSAA guidelines is at 75 pitches they require three days rest .

Then there's 125 pitch maximum . Well , by letter of the law , if my kid goes out there and throws 85 pitches on Monday , he could turn around and pitch again on Friday . We're not doing that . That's too much for what we're trying to do . So we , you know , we try to balance that out as well .

and parents sometimes forget how much time is spent away from family . Yeah , and obviously for very little pay . Any coach will tell you that . But this morning I I saw a post on x where the coach was looking at his phone prior to the game .

The head coach and , uh , but for like the average person walking up to the game , they're probably thinking you know what is this coach doing ? He's playing on Twitter . But what he was actually doing was his young son was playing in his first game of baseball and it was his first at-bat and his wife was recording it for him live .

Wife was recording it for him live and that was he . He was watching that and obviously missing it because he was with his team . Yeah , and I , I guess you know you've been around enough and and every coach out there that is , uh , that's been around long enough .

You know what do you say to the parent that you know tunes into this podcast about the challenges of being a head coach , because you spend a lot more time with their kids than you do with your own family sometimes .

They have a little bit more leniency because I don't want them to make the same mistake that I did um , so um , one of the things I do is is in the off season , I try to do all my off-season stuff in the morning um , and and and one those things . Main reason is just our facilities . We don't have the space um in our program , and that I'm not .

I'm not , not . Lots of people have to deal with lack of space . I'm not . This is not a woe is me , this is not a shot at anyone Um , but we do a lot of our stuff . We hit in the morning , we throw in the morning and we lift in the morning , all during preseason .

So once , uh , usually once football's over and and we can start using um , using the locker room , and have access to the shower for the boys . We do do that stuff in the morning , you know . Reason number one is facilities .

We can't get in the gym during basketball season and we shouldn't expect we shouldn't expect to get in the gym during basketball season either .

But the hidden benefit of that is , you know , this time of year , starting whenever we started February 28th this year , our evenings are done , they're shot because now we are doing , we do have access to the gym , we do have practices , and so one of the hidden benefits of doing that stuff in the morning is it allows us to be with our families .

You know , I was able to be with my son . I didn't miss a single . He played basketball this year . I didn't miss a single basketball game , you know , and kind of , it's kind of in preparation for baseball season . But but at the same time , you know , we have to , we have to take care of our families too .

So I don't , I don't know what I would , I don't know what message I would , I would give to a parent . But you know , I and I my frustration just kind of leads into my frustration with , with college coaches that aren't calling the high school coaches as much as they should be anymore .

We spend a lot of time with our players and especially I'm in the building at our school , so I get the opportunity . I see them when they're having a bad day . I see them first thing in the morning when they're rolling out of bed . I see them at the end of the day . I see them after a bad test . I see them .

You know , I spend over 200 days a year with these boys . It's probably more than that . That's probably a bad , a low baseline , but I see these kids in a lot of different scenarios . I see them at lunch , uh , when they think no one's watching . Um , I see how they , how they talk to their . I see how they talk to their peers .

Um , you know , we , we , we know our kids inside and out , and and and one of the things that that I've , that that that I love right now about being being at Buckeye Valley , where I'm at , is I've never been so close with a group of kids as I am with them and , um , you know I'm , I just I'm very fortunate , like we have .

You know , they come into my room just to hang out sometimes , um , you know , hey , did you see this play last night ? Hey , did you see what LeBron did last night . I had a couple kids come in one day and they were helping me fill out my NCAA bracket .

So I guess , from a time away from our family , point message to the parents I mean , we're putting into your kid , we're we're , we're putting into your , we're putting into your kid . Most coaches , most coaches , are putting into your kid exactly what you want , what you would want a coach to put into your kid , and and and . A lot of times it's coming .

It's coming at the sacrifice of of you know , being being with their family as well .

He said if you score five runs , you have like an 80-plus percent chance of winning , and if you give up five runs , you have an an 80 plus percent chance of winning , and if you give up five runs , you have an 80 plus percent chance of losing .

Um , so I , I , I , we , he brought it up to me and we looked at it and I was like , well , you know , for his career , it it it pretty well held held true . And and I went back through some stuff last night and it's pretty well held true for me . So , um , uh , I guess you know talking about defense , um , you know , defense saves runs for sure .

And , uh , we had a discussion , we had a .

We had a hard , hard , hard fought battle with um , with one of your team that you've had some battles with too as well , which was , which was watterson , the other night and and there were some we won't call them they weren't errors because we played error free but we gave up some , some hidden runs where , if you know if , if we lay out for a ball and

knock it down , that might save us a run and and you know that game ended , ended , uh got called because of darkness and it was uh ended in a four , four tie , um , but you know , if we , if we , if we take that extra step

, we knock a ball down , we lay out for a ball , um , you know again , not errors , cause we didn't make errors . I can't say enough about our defense so far this year . Knock on wood , um , but you know just those hidden runs . You know we could have won that game . Couldn't want that game four to two . You know we could have won that game .

Could have won that game 4-2 . You know it could have been a different story there . You know , at 7.30 , when they called the game because of darkness , or they wouldn't have to call the game , because of darkness , because the game would have been open , especially this time of the year . Right .

So communication , when I see kids communicating with each other when they're on the field playing defense and , you know , after an at bat One of the things I just got done , talking to my boys about this I have seen , I have seen a lot of things and you know we've only played four games this year , but I have seen so much communication with our kids this

year and it's made a difference . It's already making a difference for us . There's just , hey , I saw he threw X , y , z , blah , blah , blah , blah blah . You know he might be tipping this , he might be tipping that . So it's communication . I mean there's just our coaches . Back to our coaching staff .

You know our coaches , when that defensive ending is over , I mean we're out there , we talk with our kids . Hey , what'd you see ? This is what it looked like from our coaching perspective . What did you tell us ? What you saw ? And one of the you know another thing my background is catching , that's I was a catcher . That's where I feel the most comfortable .

You know our starting catcher . Yesterday we had kind of an off day for varsity .

They were just going to come in and lift and , I'm sorry , on Friday they were going to just lift after school and then I was going to send them home and I was talking to my catcher , who , you know , we all need catchers to be an extension of the coaching staff , and he certainly is , and so he was .

He was getting some stuff together for me because we were practicing with the younger guys . I said hey , I said we need let's , let's meet up , let's go through some catching stuff afterwards and he , you know , he said absolutely let's do it and something with him .

And I've had this experience with with I've got two other players that are that are at Ohio Dominican right now , and another player that's playing at BMI right now . The thing that all four of those boys have in common is when we were working , when we were doing drills or whatever , there was so much conversation back and forth .

It wasn't just you're doing the drill , you know , get your reps in , do the drill this way , make sure your footwork looks like this , make sure your swing looks like this . It there's a lot of , there's so much communication .

Um , and you know that my starting catcher right now , he he came into the , into the gym where , where the young guys were working out , and we went off in the corner and I think he was there for about 45 minutes and I would say that only 15 minutes of it was him doing an actual drill and 30 minutes of it was he and I .

Just all right , this is what I'm seeing . Yep , you're right , coach , that's how I feel . Blah , blah , blah , blah , blah . Just a lot of dialogue back and forth and , like I said , those three other boys that have come through that are now off and playing . It was the same thing .

There was a lot of communication and I think that's probably one way that I've grown as a coach and one way that our relationships developing my relationships with these kids , one way that our relationships developing my relationships with these kids it's fostered more baseball IQ growth , I guess , would be the best way to say it . So we try to .

I think your original question was what do you see out of good teams ? It's just that communication piece . You know being loud in the dugout , being behind your teammates . You know not being I'm not talking about being Bush League but you know being behind your teammates , being behind your pitchers .

You know every team , every good team , is loud and not in a bad way . They're loud in a good way and it can be , it can be your . I was coaching in the district all-star game a few years ago and the third baseman was none of those kids play together , they were just playing together for an all-star team .

The third baseman he was from and I know , you know Corey . He was from Lancaster and he played for Corey . He never stopped talking on third base . He never stopped talking .

He was always saying something to the shortstop , he was saying something to the left fielder and you know that's a testament to what Corey does over there in Lancaster and it's just evident that that kid's a heck of a ball player . You know he just communicates , talking to his pitch the whole time .

I would say , early on in my head coaching career , I think , uh , I think I think the the , the one place that I failed was was instead of , instead of having the difficult conversations and getting them over with , um is , is is just waiting until they kind of festered too long , um long .

So now I try to have difficult conversations as soon as possible , just so we don't fester . You know we don't let frustration build . You know we just talk . And my kids I hope my kids know it . I know a few of them know it . You know my door is always open it . Um , you know my , my door is always open .

Um , I kid I , I there there , there are kids that that I've told you know I , you can disagree with me . I have no problem with it , and I want you to tell me when you disagree with me .

Um , you come into my office , you shut the door and you sit down and you tell me exactly what you think , because I'm going to do the same with you and and and and you know I , I respect , I respect and value my , my player's opinion . So , um , you know , when they have , when they have an issue , um , especially especially my leaders .

You know we're not going to , we're not going to get .

Nobody , not everybody's going to feel comfortable doing that , but my leaders , uh darn well should , and I hope they do , and but my leaders darn well should , and I hope they do , and it's happened and sometimes , sometimes they've changed my mind , sometimes they haven't , but that's why you know , that's why I'm the head coach . Sometimes I have to .

You have to put your foot down and say how things are going to be . But then you know , part of part of being a great role model is recognizing when something needs to change too .

Obviously , we all hate getting our teeth kicked in , but the good thing about losing is it makes you humble . You know , if we go out there if I go out there and go , you know 33-0 and win a state title or 35-0 , whatever I have to do to win a state title and do it undefeated , you know I don't know how much I'd learn from that .

So I look , I always . I always try to look at my losses as a as a where you know , as a learning , learning experience . You know we we took one , took one on the chin . We played Hartley really tough Friday . You were there , yeah , you know . We sat down for an hour up in the coach's office afterwards trying to figure out where we're going to improve .

So I love winning , I love winning and I try to look at losing as a learning experience or a chance to learn .

But if the Yankees are going to do something like that , for every Yankees fan you find two people who despise them , right ?

I , I don't know , that's that's kind of an interesting , but you know , by letter of law , you know , there's nothing wrong with what they did .

But , staying with the Major League Baseball , you're managing an MLB team and I'm going to give you three players , all right , and you've got to choose between Group A and Group B . Group A Shohei Otani , mookie Betts and Tariq Schoobel

the Tigers pitcher who tore it up last year . Group B Aaron Judge , jose Ramirez and Paul Skeens .

Isn't this only his second year ? We you know , maybe he second year , Maybe he had that good first year and good first rookie year , and who knows what's going to happen here . But some of those other three you mentioned are pretty seasoned between Mookie and Shohei and Tarek .

So between the biased and , I think , the experience , I'm going to take group A on that one .

We're playing one of our rivals and , uh , you know , he , he , he did a good job of , he was my pitching coach , he did a good job of keeping me grounded at times . But sometimes you know , the stress , just you know , gets to you and you don't see the forest for the trees . And we were playing one of our rivals and we made a pitching change .

And you know , as a head coach , you're looking at a lot of things . You're looking at the adjustments you made in the lineup , you're making sure you reported your subs , and so you're not watching that kid throw his eight warm-up pitches , and you're thinking about when you come up to bat .

So we make a pitching change and he brings in his next pitcher and the first pitch he throws , he threw it in the dirt . And the first pitch he throws , he threw it in the dirt and in my mind I was thinking that was like the 10th ball he's thrown in the dirt . I was thinking he walked , the first guy that he faced , and I said Stephen .

I said who do you have up ? Who's ready to go in ? He said John . He said that was his first pitch . I said he's only thrown one pitch . He said yeah , that was his first pitch .

I said all right , and I just kind of looked around and realized that , you know , it was time for me to settle down and I'm not doing the story justice by any stretch of the imagination , but man , it was funny , it was a good , it was a good humbling moment for me as well .

You know , sit back , take a deep breath , watch the game , enjoy the game , enjoy coaching . Try not to try to try to settle down a little bit . But you know , as I as , as I said earlier , you know we , we've grown , or I've grown um throughout my head coaching career especially so all right , to finish it up here .

You know it's hard to mess with the most perfect game on the face of the earth , right , you know ?

So , um , wow , I would say , I , I guess , I guess , really , if we could , if we could make the season longer , I mean like , yeah , play more games and and as far as I'm concerned , we could run all the way up to we could have the state title on July 4th weekend . I mean , how much more American could that get ?

You know , we talk about this , I talk about this with our athletic director all the time that our spring season is so short , I mean so short . We're two weeks into the last quarter and we've only played four games , but we're going to be playing another 20 before graduation .

To me , if we could make baseball season longer and the OHSAA actually even did make it they gave us an extra week this year , they shifted everything back , which is fantastic . But as far as I'm concerned , man , let's play all the way up . Let's have the state title on July 4th , you know , I think that would be great .

But man , let's make , let's make the high school baseball season longer . Let's just let's play . Let's play through june . We'll have better weather , you know , let's do that . Let's make it as long . Let's play 40 games and then have the playoffs . That's , that's my take on it well , it's uh , it's johnny dering .

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