The Language White America Can't Hear: Dr. Daniel Black & Avery Young

00;00;00;00 - 00;00;11;18 Speaker 1 There are things they don't need to be spoken. Yes. And it is the difference between your safety and your time here on earth. I mean, what it is, it's an absolute. When it's come out, you're absolutely. 00;00;11;21 - 00;00;18;02 Speaker 2 Outside of the home. I was just saying this outside. I grew up around black folks. 00;00;18;03 - 00;00;21;12 Speaker 1 Who sang to each other every Sunday. Pharoahs on. 00;00;21;14 - 00;00;21;26 Speaker 3 Drown. 00;00;21;27 - 00;00;29;06 Speaker 1 Drowned in Red sea. For me, that signals that. That the oppressive power is not the ultimate. 00;00;29;10 - 00;00;30;21 Speaker 3 That's correct. That's absolutely right. 00;00;30;22 - 00;00;39;17 Speaker 1 We communicate with our whole selves. It takes the body. It takes the body to know things. It takes the body to do things. 00;00;39;20 - 00;00;57;23 Speaker 2 Were you there? I may smash them out at my uncle's house. Were you there when they smashed him by an award winning local poet? Has an impressive new title from the city. Avery, our young, has been named Chicago's first. 00;00;57;23 - 00;01;09;18 Speaker 3 Ever poet laureate. The best thing a young father can do for their child is to respect their child's mother. Spend most of your time physically nurturing and touching your child. 00;01;09;22 - 00;01;15;25 Speaker 2 What else is the assignment outside of the walk in, in any and every room you'll fulfill? Did you hear me? 00;01;15;28 - 00;01;20;10 Speaker 3 The assignment is to be soulfully and absolutely. 00;01;20;17 - 00;01;21;16 Speaker 1 You walk on. 00;01;21;16 - 00;01;21;26 Speaker 3 Water. 00;01;21;29 - 00;01;25;01 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. I'm so glad that. 00;01;25;01 - 00;01;28;08 Speaker 1 Oh like Holy Jesus, the baddest me in town. 00;01;28;09 - 00;01;40;01 Speaker 2 The joy or the danger of that dude. Worse. Oh, it's not just me. People go, hey, it's a I don't know. 00;01;40;01 - 00;01;41;01 Speaker 2 Hello. 00;01;41;01 - 00;01;57;20 Speaker 1 I am Avery Young dog, poet laureate of Chicago. Let in between me and an interdisciplinary artist, with a very, very, very, very, very, very deep concentration in black linguistics. 00;01;57;22 - 00;02;21;18 Speaker 3 I am sitting here with the King of Kings. Right. The Lord of Lords. I'm sitting here with the master of the written word. Right in the beginning was the word. But really, that was Avery. I'm Daniel Black, I'm professor of African-American studies at Clark Atlanta. Blah blah blah. Look. 00;02;21;20 - 00;02;25;08 Speaker 1 This is this is this is this is a little bit, again, making. 00;02;25;08 - 00;02;25;24 Speaker 2 This what I. 00;02;25;24 - 00;02;43;12 Speaker 3 Read. Absolutely. And it's funny you said, about linguistics because that's who you are. Of course, that that's what you are. That's what you do. And how did you come by? How did you come by that calling? How did you get clear that that that words, are life for you. 00;02;43;14 - 00;02;45;26 Speaker 2 You know, I. 00;02;46;03 - 00;02;59;04 Speaker 1 Grew up in a very religious household, and folks read the Bible, but the thee and thou and the Bible were not necessarily yo going to rest round there. 00;02;59;06 - 00;03;00;29 Speaker 2 Could be a cold one. 00;03;00;29 - 00;03;05;11 Speaker 3 Right? Right, right. While a million. 00;03;05;14 - 00;03;11;26 Speaker 2 What went into my mom? Well, it don't seem that way around it. Right. 00;03;11;28 - 00;03;37;27 Speaker 1 And I'm like, okay, this is fascinating. Me. Right. I didn't think anything I was hearing was incorrect. Right or not proper? Because when people spoke, some I spoke back. So like, they understood what that was. And then someone called a house. Yes. And this is Booker, right? You know, and I'm like, this is. 00;03;37;29 - 00;03;39;00 Speaker 3 Right, right, right. 00;03;39;00 - 00;03;41;08 Speaker 2 When they told me. 00;03;41;11 - 00;03;59;20 Speaker 1 I didn't at the time understand to be conflicted, right. I just figured that I was around people who were. Brilliant at talking to who they were talking to. 00;03;59;20 - 00;04;02;04 Speaker 3 Right, right. Right. Right, right. 00;04;02;07 - 00;04;28;06 Speaker 1 And so when I started to write poems, I was trying to figure out a way in which to represent that on page is code. And when you look at the, the focus speaking and and and presenting is art and not necessarily just, means of speaking in skin. Absolutely right. 00;04;28;08 - 00;04;30;25 Speaker 3 And so I like that reference. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 00;04;30;27 - 00;04;42;28 Speaker 1 So that's I mean that's just I was just always fascinated the fact that when preachers were doing what Aretha Franklin was doing, when she sings, she sings, yes, thank you Jesus. 00;04;42;29 - 00;04;46;22 Speaker 2 But it just just doesn't. 00;04;46;25 - 00;04;54;13 Speaker 1 Comediennes and and and just the gamut of the black lecture kind of of of talk. 00;04;54;13 - 00;04;57;24 Speaker 3 Right? Absolutely, absolutely. 00;04;57;26 - 00;05;10;04 Speaker 1 It's just it always is a fascinating trying to figure that out when out. Like I said, when I was writing poems, I was trying to figure out how to make that language a world. Absolutely on page. Absolutely. 00;05;10;08 - 00;05;32;17 Speaker 3 And it's it's funny you say this as a kid, I had a similar fascination, but I remember being fascinated about was the gaps of silence in which black people could communicate, right? Where we could say a word. Right. I remember a song that, that, that the choir used to sing that. Funny. You mentioned Aretha, that Aretha, kind of made famous Clara Ward. 00;05;32;17 - 00;05;42;09 Speaker 3 You too. And, and every time we sang this song, I would cry at church, and I wasn't ever sure why, but I love this song was sung right. 00;05;42;12 - 00;05;44;22 Speaker 2 Shirley. Right. 00;05;44;25 - 00;05;46;10 Speaker 3 And all they were saying was surely. 00;05;46;11 - 00;05;52;21 Speaker 2 Come on now, listen. Come on now. Come on now. Surely. Come on now. 00;05;52;24 - 00;06;03;06 Speaker 3 But I felt like I got the whole meaning out of that one word. Like Shirley. What? Shirley? Who should you know? And the choir would just keep repeating. 00;06;03;10 - 00;06;07;27 Speaker 2 Shirley should. Oh, yes. Oh, Shirley. 00;06;08;00 - 00;06;34;04 Speaker 3 It was just surely, surely, surely, surely, surely, surely and surely what I, I, and then, you know, when I started studying linguistic traditions and African-American idiomatic expressions and speech, etcetera, and was able to put it together. I remember being in grad school and it hitting me. Avery, Avery, I was so and I was so I was until I was in the Holy Ghost. 00;06;34;04 - 00;07;05;00 Speaker 3 When I finally put this all together, where black people were really doing what black people really say, right. And I feel like ultimately, generation after generation has been praying and asking for this thing called freedom and liberty. Right. And and I felt like the song was saying after not just me, not mama, just my mother, my grandmother, my great grandmother, my great grandfather, God, after all of this praying and and all of this toiling, surely. 00;07;05;03 - 00;07;09;20 Speaker 3 Come on now, you know, like, ain't no way this not going to happen. 00;07;09;24 - 00;07;11;07 Speaker 1 Ain't no way. 00;07;11;09 - 00;07;28;17 Speaker 2 No. And you, for you as surely me, it is just the womb. 00;07;28;20 - 00;07;31;01 Speaker 1 And Big Mama will say they don't know what you're talking about. 00;07;31;01 - 00;07;46;18 Speaker 2 Oh, what you talking about when you mom don't know? No, no, I mean, and it's it it's. Yes. And it's mostly like. And when you learn that those are things, those there are things. 00;07;46;18 - 00;07;59;02 Speaker 1 They don't need to be spoken. Yes. And it is the difference between your safety and your time here on Earth. I mean, what it is, it's an absolute when it's come out. Absolutely. 00;07;59;05 - 00;08;02;10 Speaker 2 And outside of the home. 00;08;02;12 - 00;08;06;14 Speaker 1 I was just I was just I was just thinking as outside. 00;08;06;16 - 00;08;08;00 Speaker 2 I grew up around black folk. 00;08;08;04 - 00;08;10;01 Speaker 1 Who sang to each other every Sunday. 00;08;10;01 - 00;08;13;20 Speaker 3 Pharaoh's army, drowned, drowned in Red sea. 00;08;13;22 - 00;08;20;21 Speaker 1 Yes. And for me, that signals that that the oppressive power is not the ultimate. 00;08;20;24 - 00;08;24;28 Speaker 3 That's correct. That's absolutely right. That's right, that's right. 00;08;25;00 - 00;08;28;19 Speaker 1 These fools can get it. Just like throwing them at God, in fact, is. 00;08;28;19 - 00;08;29;06 Speaker 3 In fact. 00;08;29;09 - 00;08;30;16 Speaker 2 It's in a way, it's all the. 00;08;30;16 - 00;08;30;22 Speaker 3 Way. 00;08;30;22 - 00;08;34;18 Speaker 2 That's what it's really the right. It's come and go through all of your ass. 00;08;34;22 - 00;08;36;09 Speaker 3 Absolutely, absolutely. 00;08;36;10 - 00;08;40;16 Speaker 1 And you and you and and we will end up on dry land. 00;08;40;16 - 00;08;43;00 Speaker 3 That's right. Right. Absolutely. Absolutely. 00;08;43;02 - 00;08;46;21 Speaker 1 We will on dry ground, Pharaoh. And they'll trap and they drown. 00;08;46;23 - 00;08;47;23 Speaker 3 Right? Absolutely. 00;08;47;25 - 00;09;20;09 Speaker 1 And that means in which we could we tell we tell story, we uplift ourselves through this thing of language is what I wanted to do as a person that's dealing with language. In that journey, though, I've decided to use other materials outside of just language itself. Sounds because of you. Yeah, it sounds clay, wood. Because, again, Big Mama could tell you. 00;09;20;10 - 00;09;24;04 Speaker 1 Sit down and never say, say. That's right, that's right. 00;09;24;06 - 00;09;31;14 Speaker 3 That's right. Did you hear me? Absolutely. Absolutely, yes. Okay, I'll sit down. 00;09;31;16 - 00;09;33;19 Speaker 1 Yeah, right. And don't make me say it good, right? 00;09;33;21 - 00;09;42;25 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. And don't make me say it again. That's right. Okay, man. Okay, man. Right. And I just I just think that's a magic. Yes. And power. 00;09;42;26 - 00;09;43;17 Speaker 3 Absolutely. 00;09;43;22 - 00;09;45;22 Speaker 1 Was in you in that. 00;09;45;24 - 00;10;09;18 Speaker 3 You think you know what when you were humming, you know something. For years I looked for the humming tradition among African people in West Africa and never could find it. But I realized that's not that. It's not an African trait. No. Right. But it is a black tree. Come on. And I realized that that humming tradition, I think Avery. 00;10;09;21 - 00;10;12;25 Speaker 3 That humming tradition started in the water. 00;10;12;27 - 00;10;14;27 Speaker 1 Come on now, I got you. I'm with you. 00;10;14;28 - 00;10;39;14 Speaker 3 When the find the airway, the tear of the Mandinka, the Bambara, the Bassa could not speak each other's language, you know, in the bottom of those ships, right. But they could harm each other's experience, right? Right, right. So the irony is, as you were saying, when what? When one person is home somewhere in the bottom of that ship, right? 00;10;39;16 - 00;10;46;16 Speaker 3 Yeah. Somebody from another ethnic group said, oh, yeah. Right. And then in a minute. 00;10;46;19 - 00;10;52;05 Speaker 1 Yeah. Right. The hum is that the hum is black folks drown. 00;10;52;10 - 00;10;53;14 Speaker 3 Yes. Absolutely. 00;10;53;19 - 00;11;08;12 Speaker 1 Right. So it's Africans. They're communicating with each other through this percussive instrument. We do another thing with a vocal percussion which is do this right. Yeah. Our hum it's our drum. 00;11;08;12 - 00;11;19;06 Speaker 3 That's right. That's how I am really on the streets. When we meet a stranger, we should really say, oh, right. And if the stranger really is in this consciousness, right, they would return back. 00;11;19;09 - 00;11;20;14 Speaker 2 Oh. 00;11;20;17 - 00;11;21;27 Speaker 3 Yeah. Right. Then we greet. 00;11;22;00 - 00;11;22;10 Speaker 2 Yes. 00;11;22;10 - 00;11;45;04 Speaker 3 Right. Because then it's this subterfuge, right? If this is this means of, of, of communicating even. Right in the before the eyes of the oppressor. But the press have no idea what you're doing. Right? Right. Which I think is so fascinating and and so very powerful. And you know, I watched you doing, this poem about Emmett Till. 00;11;45;04 - 00;12;11;28 Speaker 3 Yes. Right. And, and black people are so genius on so many levels, including you. Right? Yes. But I think I think that, that if we ever get really conscious of this, we'll understand that the genius of black people is really in the music. Right? It's really the melody. Yeah, right. But black idiomatic expression is music. 00;12;11;28 - 00;12;12;15 Speaker 1 Yes. 00;12;12;15 - 00;12;33;04 Speaker 3 Right. There are ways I remember, I remember listening to my grandmother talk to, to other, older women in the community. Yes. And I just loved the musicality of the way my grandmother would talk. Right. And how they talked back and forth. Yeah. Right. And it was always girl, right? 00;12;33;06 - 00;12;45;16 Speaker 2 Go through my water. I didn't I go look, you know, go look cool. Okay. She did stop. Come on, come on now. She's, What else? Yeah. 00;12;45;18 - 00;12;47;19 Speaker 3 And there were no sentences anywhere. 00;12;49;01 - 00;12;55;08 Speaker 3 There were no sentences any just punctuation. Everything you got if you don't stop you know. 00;12;55;11 - 00;12;57;00 Speaker 2 Got to us. Yeah. 00;12;57;03 - 00;13;21;02 Speaker 3 Yes yes yes. Which really means in some ways I'm beginning to believe every that, that the black idiomatic expression is actually the standard and the coded language is actually English. It is. But we've taught it the other way around that English is the standard language. And what we're doing is the code. 00;13;21;05 - 00;13;21;19 Speaker 2 Well, we. 00;13;21;19 - 00;13;25;27 Speaker 1 Also had to figure out English is motherfuck. 00;13;26;00 - 00;13;28;19 Speaker 3 Right? Right. 00;13;28;21 - 00;13;44;23 Speaker 2 Hey, I mean it all. You know, you can go somewhere and you can be in London and and then they speaking English and you have absolutely no idea what a train is, what the boom is. You go home with them, whatever they're talking about. Because, again, the. 00;13;44;23 - 00;13;48;11 Speaker 1 Purpose of the language is to communicate. 00;13;48;12 - 00;14;20;23 Speaker 3 Right? But the English does not have I'm discovered there's some things black people conceptualize. Yes. For which English has no translation. Well, right. You know, and and I've tried even as a writer, there have been times when I've tried to write things, and I could tell that I'm always falling a little short of the complexities of of the thing I've conceived, because this English, it does not translate fully like, like when we say, baby, we had children. 00;14;20;23 - 00;14;41;00 Speaker 3 We was. And like like, I can't I can't figure out the English translation for that. Like like how do you describe in like, you know, I mean, like, yeah. Like, what do you like, how do you write that? We were what? We were filled with ecstasy. You see. 00;14;41;02 - 00;14;43;06 Speaker 1 We use words, I see, but I think there's also. 00;14;43;07 - 00;14;45;23 Speaker 3 But that's not quite what we mean. 00;14;45;25 - 00;14;56;13 Speaker 1 No, I mean, but the, the, the beautiful part of that also is in that moment, in that, of that church, they said, if I can't say a word, I'll just wave my hand. 00;14;56;13 - 00;15;02;24 Speaker 3 Right. The problem with the with, with the writer is I can't put the wave on the page. 00;15;02;27 - 00;15;04;26 Speaker 1 And then I'm like, I didn't say yes. 00;15;04;29 - 00;15;06;09 Speaker 3 Well, I, I'm literally. 00;15;06;09 - 00;15;07;05 Speaker 2 You know, you. 00;15;07;05 - 00;15;08;07 Speaker 3 Got a hand waving. 00;15;08;07 - 00;15;09;01 Speaker 2 Right, right. 00;15;09;01 - 00;15;17;14 Speaker 3 Right. But let's see, I'm not sure even in a text, people would understand that because, see, a waving hand makes sense in the context. 00;15;17;14 - 00;15;18;26 Speaker 1 Yes. 00;15;18;29 - 00;15;21;27 Speaker 3 Yeah. A of a spiritual moment or ritual. 00;15;22;00 - 00;15;25;11 Speaker 2 I get it. And but the other power of. 00;15;25;14 - 00;15;30;28 Speaker 1 What you're speaking about is the way in which black folk listen. We listen totally different. 00;15;31;00 - 00;15;32;04 Speaker 3 Absolutely. 00;15;32;04 - 00;15;34;28 Speaker 2 So if you are you, even. 00;15;34;28 - 00;15;40;07 Speaker 1 If you are a preacher and you're talking and nobody going home, Amen. 00;15;40;08 - 00;15;41;02 Speaker 3 Right. 00;15;41;04 - 00;15;43;03 Speaker 1 You like, don't you all hear me? 00;15;43;05 - 00;15;48;12 Speaker 3 Right? Right. Because we think listening makes you respond, right? Yeah, yeah yeah yeah. 00;15;48;12 - 00;15;50;13 Speaker 2 The the the the glory is. 00;15;50;13 - 00;15;53;13 Speaker 1 If you could. You can hear you right? 00;15;53;15 - 00;15;56;28 Speaker 2 You can. You hear meaning we listen. 00;15;57;01 - 00;16;00;11 Speaker 1 With the whole body. Not just not just ears. 00;16;00;12 - 00;16;05;12 Speaker 2 We communicate through the whole. We listen with the whole body because we. We talk. 00;16;05;14 - 00;16;05;26 Speaker 1 With the. 00;16;05;26 - 00;16;07;18 Speaker 3 Whole body. That's right. Right, right. 00;16;07;18 - 00;16;18;14 Speaker 1 We are, English, though, is taught as a means in which what we do with our mouths. 00;16;18;15 - 00;16;19;01 Speaker 3 That's right. 00;16;19;01 - 00;16;19;20 Speaker 1 And not our. 00;16;19;27 - 00;16;21;15 Speaker 3 That's right. That's. Absolutely. And we. 00;16;21;15 - 00;16;22;20 Speaker 1 Don't communicate like. 00;16;22;20 - 00;16;23;07 Speaker 3 That. That's right. 00;16;23;07 - 00;16;26;24 Speaker 1 We communicate with our cell. 00;16;26;26 - 00;16;33;01 Speaker 3 Right. Oh, absolutely. Like if, if a really fine person walked up, you know. 00;16;33;06 - 00;16;34;28 Speaker 1 Going to do. 00;16;35;00 - 00;16;45;11 Speaker 3 Yeah. I don't have to say nothing to you, but I can I could. 00;16;45;14 - 00;17;06;04 Speaker 2 Okay. Oh my God baby, we what do we do. You say I want to I know that we want that for God. Say listen. And we. And we'd have it for you. Hear me? Hey. Whoa, whoa. Time. Now I'm saying what? Like you just did, Lenny Kravitz, you. Yeah, yeah. See, this is how. 00;17;06;04 - 00;17;13;07 Speaker 3 Black people survive. And what you're saying is right. What we learn is if they want to muzzle our mouths. 00;17;13;13 - 00;17;15;24 Speaker 2 No problem, no problem, no problem. 00;17;15;27 - 00;17;43;15 Speaker 3 You can have that because, yes, our communication we'll talk it with to see we do. Absolutely. We'll do it with the hands. We'll do with the head. Nod. They thought that muzzling our mouths right would keep us from doing language right. They didn't understand. They didn't understand. They didn't understand, you know. Yeah. It's it's so beautiful. And it's just it's I mean, it's a powerful, powerful, powerful thing. 00;17;43;17 - 00;17;47;23 Speaker 2 It is, it is. I mean. 00;17;47;26 - 00;17;59;27 Speaker 1 And to me as an artist, to combine language with imagination. Who needs Superman I'm a flying African. 00;17;59;27 - 00;18;00;17 Speaker 3 Absolutely. 00;18;00;23 - 00;18;03;10 Speaker 2 You know it, it's it's it's the. 00;18;03;12 - 00;18;18;20 Speaker 1 Two combine what I'm doing with language, with the imagination. That thing in which to make a thing happen in my brain and mount it in some form of material, I was like that. 00;18;18;22 - 00;18;19;07 Speaker 3 Yeah. 00;18;19;08 - 00;18;20;01 Speaker 1 You could do that. 00;18;20;01 - 00;18;23;03 Speaker 2 You could, you can, you can do. 00;18;23;03 - 00;18;42;23 Speaker 1 Pretty much anything you want to do. Yeah. You know, it's it's it's a it's, and I got that eight and eight. Yeah. I got that at eight. I'm sitting in the classroom. I have a hundred on my spelling test. Compound words. I remember the b l l yeah. 00;18;42;23 - 00;18;50;21 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Right. I remove all that white girl next to me, didn't I? She failed miserably. 00;18;50;23 - 00;18;51;14 Speaker 1 And that was. 00;18;51;14 - 00;18;54;24 Speaker 2 Of the eight year old that will look at the white girl and go, 00;18;54;26 - 00;18;58;04 Speaker 1 I got a honey here. I got a honey. 00;18;58;07 - 00;18;59;20 Speaker 3 Right, right, right. 00;18;59;22 - 00;19;28;12 Speaker 1 And she starts crying. Teacher walks over to us is like, what's wrong with you? A was making fun of me and she says, don't worry about it. Avery is made of dough and you're made of sand. Well, her mom and dad did it. My mom and dad did it. I'm the one with the hundred. And where do you get that from Avery at eight years old to say that to a grown woman. 00;19;28;15 - 00;19;34;21 Speaker 1 Also with the instructions from your big momma to say the word and the way people call my house, because that's exactly what the white will be, right? 00;19;34;21 - 00;19;37;23 Speaker 2 I captured she got to call her. 00;19;37;24 - 00;19;49;06 Speaker 1 She called House, but it didn't matter. I had enough gumption to understand. Pharaoh's army. Sure, drowned in the river is not going to say anything like that to me. When is that true? 00;19;49;13 - 00;19;50;12 Speaker 3 Yeah. 00;19;50;15 - 00;19;51;24 Speaker 1 Yeah, well, it's not true. 00;19;52;00 - 00;19;52;29 Speaker 3 Yeah, absolutely. 00;19;53;00 - 00;20;00;00 Speaker 1 And I get your shade with the dirt. And the sand. 00;20;01;26 - 00;20;06;28 Speaker 1 Oh yeah. Stick see the sand and see what. The fucking ground. Right. Come on. So. 00;20;07;00 - 00;20;14;06 Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah. What you thought we'll leave the info I recognize you don't. 00;20;14;06 - 00;20;19;28 Speaker 1 Have that power. Sure, sure. And I wrote my first poem Dragon that white Lady fulfills. 00;20;19;29 - 00;20;21;01 Speaker 3 Yeah. 00;20;21;03 - 00;20;29;20 Speaker 1 What are you talking. What does that mean to say to an eight year olds that. Yeah, as as grown as an adult. An educated as you are. 00;20;29;24 - 00;20;57;21 Speaker 3 Yeah. Because he white supremacy presupposes. The agreement of black inferiority, not just black inferiority. It's got to be the agreement. See, white supremacy only works if black people agree to that. They are inferior. Yeah, effective white people think black people are inferior, that there's no power in that. It's only if black people agree. Right. That makes white supremacy really potent, right? 00;20;57;25 - 00;21;23;23 Speaker 3 It makes right. And what's funny is I remember even as a kid growing up in church and of course, you know, we sang these black songs and, and when, when folks would talk about heaven and, you know, these white angels, right? And these white clouds and as we know, everything was white. The thing I remember most was saying, but I hope that choirs black. 00;21;23;25 - 00;21;24;27 Speaker 2 Hands down, they'll say. 00;21;24;28 - 00;21;26;24 Speaker 3 Listen, listen. Because if the. 00;21;26;26 - 00;21;30;25 Speaker 2 White black I was like, I want, I don't want, I don't want it at all. 00;21;30;25 - 00;21;32;17 Speaker 3 I do not want it. 00;21;32;17 - 00;21;35;06 Speaker 2 I'll only I'm, I'm, I'm sorry. 00;21;35;06 - 00;21;50;18 Speaker 3 I listen I'm say I you know, I don't want to say send me to hell. But yeah, but if the choir black they're. 00;21;50;20 - 00;22;05;19 Speaker 2 It's going to be a better time. Got me way better time. It's going to wait. But it come again. How could you not? Won't be somewhere. Where? Where? 2030. 00;22;05;22 - 00;22;09;10 Speaker 1 Folk rock and left and right. Clapping. Yeah. Stomping. 00;22;09;12 - 00;22;12;07 Speaker 3 Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. 00;22;12;07 - 00;22;14;17 Speaker 2 How can you not want to be there. 00;22;14;19 - 00;22;19;24 Speaker 3 Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Because that's the power and the glory. Did you hear me. 00;22;19;26 - 00;22;21;08 Speaker 2 It also and 00;22;21;10 - 00;22;38;12 Speaker 1 Again goes back to the being the which we communicate. We imagine that we communicate with our whole cells. It takes the body. Yeah. It takes the body to know things. It takes the body to do things. It takes, the body to to. 00;22;38;12 - 00;22;39;16 Speaker 2 Believe. 00;22;39;19 - 00;22;49;07 Speaker 3 And and, you know, when I had a great grandmother who she would speak in tongues. Right. Okay. 00;22;49;09 - 00;22;59;05 Speaker 1 Come on. She had the she says. Yeah. Oh, my God, she had. Holy God. Listen, she was gifted with the power. Oh, what's. 00;22;59;05 - 00;23;17;29 Speaker 3 So profound to me is it? It was not another language, per se. Like she wasn't speaking German or French or Spanish something, right? But excuse me. It took me a long time to really realize she would. She would, Sassy. She would do that? 00;23;18;01 - 00;23;20;03 Speaker 1 Yeah, right. Come on. 00;23;20;06 - 00;23;40;23 Speaker 3 When? When she arrived at a place where the majesty and the magnificence of her survival was so incomprehensible. Right when she arrived, I'm afraid we about the I better pool. I better go go. 00;23;40;24 - 00;23;41;23 Speaker 2 Go go go ahead. 00;23;41;23 - 00;23;44;13 Speaker 1 Because I don't matter. I don't mind running around. 00;23;44;15 - 00;23;46;22 Speaker 3 You know he told us we got to stay in this seat. I'm trying to figure. 00;23;46;22 - 00;23;52;21 Speaker 2 Out sometimes there's something, sometimes I don't think so. Let me tell you about the. 00;23;52;21 - 00;24;12;07 Speaker 3 Majesty and the magnificence of God and her own survival. Overwhelmed. In other words, when everything added up right to destruction. But she survived. Right. When it when when all the variables said death. But she was still living. 00;24;12;07 - 00;24;13;04 Speaker 1 Still breathing. 00;24;13;05 - 00;24;53;23 Speaker 3 Right. In other words, quit when? When she could not explain that which was which was just so marvelous and so splendid. Right. She would slip into something vernacular. Li vernacular li. Incomprehensible. Yeah, but I understood it emotionally. Yes. Right. Yes. There was a time when she was. When when she got sick and she she went to the hospital, and she came back and and and I say, grandma, you are right. 00;24;53;25 - 00;25;17;16 Speaker 3 She was in her 80s when I was like ten. Okay. But she and I were very, very close. And and she and it seemed like she didn't hear me. And I said, grandma, are you all right? As she turned, she said, let me say something to you. Right? And even that sentence, right. I froze like like she was about to, you know, speak on behalf of heaven or something, right? 00;25;17;18 - 00;25;22;01 Speaker 3 She said, let me say something to you, right. 00;25;22;03 - 00;25;38;04 Speaker 3 What? Somebody means evil. God can take that same thing. Look here and turn it around. And before. Yes, I survived. That's what she did another way. 00;25;38;04 - 00;25;41;00 Speaker 2 What she did, that's what she did. So you get to. 00;25;41;02 - 00;25;43;13 Speaker 3 You get to the place in the explanation. 00;25;45;05 - 00;26;15;28 Speaker 3 You're out thinking yourself where, where as you're thinking about this the wonder and the magic of like how this happened is so unexplainable and it's so incredible that a human language can not articulate actually the majesty of what you've experienced. Yeah. The thing you now know. Right, right, right. I bring home my report cards and she'd look at my report cards, right? 00;26;16;01 - 00;26;24;14 Speaker 3 Right. I usually had a, you know, I was very active. And she'd look at me and she'd say, hey, listen, let me tell you something, boy. Come on, let me tell you something. 00;26;24;14 - 00;26;25;06 Speaker 1 What she got. 00;26;25;09 - 00;26;26;27 Speaker 3 She said, maybe there's some marks. 00;26;26;28 - 00;26;27;18 Speaker 1 Though, so. 00;26;27;21 - 00;26;41;13 Speaker 3 That, you know, they didn't say grace, right? I know they didn't mind. She'd say maybe them some months. I said, I said I did really good, grandma. She said, let me tell you who you is, baby. 00;26;41;15 - 00;26;55;29 Speaker 3 And I just stand there, you know, because she's really affirming me for. So of course I'm eating. Say, listen, I don't care what people do to you. I don't care what people say to you. I don't care how people laugh at you. I don't care how people make fun of you. Right? I was a queer kid in rural Arkansas. 00;26;55;29 - 00;26;57;18 Speaker 1 Just guessing, right? Yes, yes, yes. 00;26;57;21 - 00;27;16;24 Speaker 3 She said, I'ma tell you something right now. Let them laugh at you until they stand and applaud. Come on now, she said, I want you to stand up and be fully, absolutely yourself until people discover that you make a just out of God and you make a fool of yourself. 00;27;16;26 - 00;27;32;03 Speaker 2 Hey, I saw how did you hear? Because what else is the assignment outside of the walking in any and every room your full self? Did you hear me? What else could be the assignment? 00;27;32;03 - 00;27;33;07 Speaker 3 That's the assignment. 00;27;33;10 - 00;27;37;07 Speaker 2 But to walk in any and every room. 00;27;37;09 - 00;27;43;28 Speaker 3 Your full self and you insult God. If you leave any of that self. 00;27;44;00 - 00;27;45;05 Speaker 2 Over there at the door. 00;27;45;07 - 00;27;47;10 Speaker 1 Hanging up, also hanging up on the hook. 00;27;47;10 - 00;27;55;26 Speaker 3 The assignment is to be so and absolutely you. And that's really what she was telling you. Right. That's what the washings. 00;27;55;26 - 00;27;56;24 Speaker 1 Tell that walk on. 00;27;56;24 - 00;28;02;21 Speaker 2 Water. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Listen that's said listen. 00;28;02;23 - 00;28;03;16 Speaker 3 Let's end this. 00;28;03;19 - 00;28;06;05 Speaker 2 And, and we have I mean. 00;28;06;05 - 00;28;08;02 Speaker 3 This I'm really really. 00;28;08;05 - 00;28;21;18 Speaker 2 Yeah. The gone God leap. No really. That's the walk on water. But that's the walk on water. The walk on water is is the understanding. Because see this is I'm so glad that oh like. 00;28;21;18 - 00;28;24;03 Speaker 1 Holy Jesus, the baddest me in town. 00;28;24;06 - 00;28;26;17 Speaker 2 Because the, the the the joint or the. 00;28;26;17 - 00;28;31;26 Speaker 1 Danger of that dude was, oh, this is not just me. 00;28;31;29 - 00;28;44;07 Speaker 2 Peter, go. Hey, it took to, I don't know, say that there was sin. You know, I preached that a weeks ago. 00;28;44;08 - 00;28;46;25 Speaker 3 I preached this book at a church in Atlanta. 00;28;47;00 - 00;28;50;12 Speaker 2 And that's the dangers. Jesus. You know, Jesus saying, right. 00;28;50;14 - 00;28;52;21 Speaker 3 You, Peter, say, if this really. 00;28;52;21 - 00;28;56;10 Speaker 2 Is you, bid me to come out. 00;28;56;12 - 00;28;57;19 Speaker 3 You know, Jesus said. 00;28;57;21 - 00;28;58;23 Speaker 2 Come out. 00;28;58;25 - 00;29;01;03 Speaker 1 What's your way now? 00;29;01;06 - 00;29;13;16 Speaker 2 I know I'm waiting on you. Oh. I don't wait on you. I don't know how. God, I've been waiting up. I've been waiting on. You had already changed your name. That's it already. I've already changed your name. 00;29;13;16 - 00;29;14;10 Speaker 3 Black people are. 00;29;14;13 - 00;29;14;25 Speaker 2 Waiting on. 00;29;14;25 - 00;29;26;24 Speaker 3 You. Jesus was saying. I'm warning you. You got what I got. 00;29;26;26 - 00;29;31;25 Speaker 3 And Peter began to go down and Peter began to drown. 00;29;31;27 - 00;29;34;18 Speaker 2 He was walking on the water. He was. 00;29;34;21 - 00;29;42;12 Speaker 3 So it's two people walking on the water now, right? Jesus and Peter. So people thought that Jesus walked because Jesus was the son of God. That ain't. 00;29;42;12 - 00;29;43;05 Speaker 1 Reason. 00;29;43;05 - 00;29;45;22 Speaker 3 No, because then how do you explain Peter? He wanted to. 00;29;46;00 - 00;29;47;20 Speaker 2 He you are going to. 00;29;47;23 - 00;29;57;16 Speaker 3 Write down the word. But what is true in the text it said and then the wait, hey, I'm still in my listen, I'm trying not to. I'm gonna I'm gonna say saying this. 00;29;57;16 - 00;30;01;17 Speaker 2 English thing, don't you? Look, they said, look, when the. 00;30;01;17 - 00;30;09;15 Speaker 3 Winds began to blow, the wind began to blow. And Peter began to. He began to get a little worried. 00;30;09;21 - 00;30;11;13 Speaker 1 Yes. 00;30;11;16 - 00;30;13;16 Speaker 3 And that's when he began to sing. 00;30;13;19 - 00;30;16;10 Speaker 1 Let me take them to you, song. Let me say something. 00;30;16;12 - 00;30;16;23 Speaker 3 Avery. 00;30;16;23 - 00;30;25;11 Speaker 2 I'm going to let me see. Let me, let me take so they know what I want, I want. Can we be that we we obey him in his Bible. But I want us to go to. 00;30;25;11 - 00;30;29;05 Speaker 1 The juke joint because I don't think there's that much difference. Same. 00;30;29;05 - 00;30;34;05 Speaker 2 People. It's it's the same. It's so precious. 00;30;34;05 - 00;30;38;18 Speaker 1 Lord, take my hand. Lead me on. Let me stand is blues. 00;30;38;18 - 00;30;45;06 Speaker 2 Blue is a blues that do rights. That in the midst of misery. He has lost a wife. 00;30;45;08 - 00;30;47;19 Speaker 3 Cha cha absolutely. 00;30;47;22 - 00;30;55;14 Speaker 2 And look here. Do if you want me to go. One more inch is going to have to be you. 00;30;55;14 - 00;30;56;19 Speaker 1 Grabbing my hand. 00;30;56;25 - 00;30;59;04 Speaker 3 Because I'm, I'm done, I'm done. 00;30;59;05 - 00;31;02;08 Speaker 1 It's over with. It's been won. You stick to. 00;31;02;10 - 00;31;04;29 Speaker 3 It through the night, Jody. 00;31;05;02 - 00;31;08;07 Speaker 2 Sure. I'm good. Do. 00;31;08;10 - 00;31;10;00 Speaker 3 And this was D2 with. 00;31;10;00 - 00;31;11;00 Speaker 1 The. 00;31;11;02 - 00;31;15;09 Speaker 3 White people. Hey, God. 00;31;15;11 - 00;31;16;26 Speaker 2 I'm a taste the uncles. 00;31;16;26 - 00;31;20;15 Speaker 3 Yes, Lord, take my hand. 00;31;20;17 - 00;31;24;22 Speaker 2 Lead me on. Let me stand. 00;31;24;24 - 00;31;30;08 Speaker 3 Black people pray. Should, 00;31;30;11 - 00;31;33;26 Speaker 1 Lonely say night night. 00;31;34;02 - 00;31;35;07 Speaker 3 In other words, we cut that. 00;31;35;07 - 00;31;42;15 Speaker 2 Night I go back about. You got my all. You got to. 00;31;42;18 - 00;31;46;23 Speaker 3 Delay. You got to cut that time signature in half. 00;31;48;05 - 00;31;57;05 Speaker 3 See, this is what Whitney Houston did when Whitney Houston did the, the Star Spangled Banner. Yeah. Oh. Say, can. 00;31;57;05 - 00;31;58;18 Speaker 2 You see, 00;31;58;20 - 00;32;02;15 Speaker 3 The Whitney Houston say, oh. 00;32;02;22 - 00;32;08;24 Speaker 2 Oh, okay. 00;32;08;26 - 00;32;18;15 Speaker 2 She left the jet jersey, new jersey to be on jerseys, interviewed by, the models. 00;32;18;17 - 00;32;21;21 Speaker 3 But why does that work? See, that conjures. 00;32;21;24 - 00;32;22;28 Speaker 1 Yeah. 00;32;23;00 - 00;32;36;16 Speaker 3 It conjures, but the question was, you don't know, like, why does that conjure? Because what happens is you put it in the blues tradition. See the blues tradition is gospel. 00;32;36;19 - 00;32;37;11 Speaker 2 Yeah. 00;32;37;14 - 00;32;42;01 Speaker 3 Right. Most people think those are two different genres. No. They just happened in two different places. 00;32;42;03 - 00;32;44;03 Speaker 1 They happen to two different places. 00;32;44;05 - 00;32;46;17 Speaker 3 But black folks are singing the blues every Sunday morning. 00;32;46;19 - 00;32;49;27 Speaker 1 They show off and they, they say. 00;32;50;00 - 00;32;55;10 Speaker 2 Oh, trouble and my way and they and they see you. 00;32;55;12 - 00;32;58;18 Speaker 1 And and, God is trying to tell you something. That juke joint. 00;32;58;22 - 00;33;00;13 Speaker 3 That's right, that's right. 00;33;00;13 - 00;33;03;06 Speaker 2 It don't hand over here to Steve. Do you know. 00;33;03;06 - 00;33;04;21 Speaker 3 You can get the ghost in the. 00;33;04;21 - 00;33;07;11 Speaker 2 Club? You you should. 00;33;07;13 - 00;33;10;04 Speaker 3 Listen. So should, you know, back in the day. 00;33;10;05 - 00;33;21;18 Speaker 2 You should you you could be trying to figure out something to do with your middle. Yeah, well, you can me. Well, well, well, over in the middle. It might just. 00;33;21;18 - 00;33;52;06 Speaker 3 Happen. Sure, sure sure sure. Absolutely. Absolutely absolutely. Absolutely. Because really, really, really, the blues is quintessentially black voice. Yes. Which is actually right. Yes. And, I think of Thomas Dorsey. Right. And I think of the ways in which really, Thomas Dorsey is really the father of the blues in some ways. Right. But we say gospel because Thomas Dorsey loved church. 00;33;52;11 - 00;34;12;26 Speaker 3 Yes. Right. But really, what he shows is that the church as we know it is really a West is really European, right? Right, right. Right right right right right, right. And it housed a musical moment. Right. But it housed it really against our tradition because we didn't do music for this place and then music for that place. Right, right. 00;34;13;01 - 00;34;31;00 Speaker 3 We did. Right. Just music for any place you going, right? You know, right. When I was a kid, I, you know, my grandmother used to say, wherever you go, take you a song which you sing. Very simple. Right? Take you a song with you. Right. And so and she said, sometimes in the midnight hour you need to pull up your song. 00;34;31;00 - 00;34;40;15 Speaker 3 She would just say that, right? And now I'm eight, ten years old, like like, okay, what is this what I'm talking about? Right? And I remember one night, Avery, I got into a little situation. 00;34;40;19 - 00;34;41;17 Speaker 2 Okay. 00;34;41;19 - 00;34;43;28 Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, it's a little situation. 00;34;44;00 - 00;34;51;02 Speaker 2 Well, like, I'm living in a situation where the situation is a blunder. 00;34;51;04 - 00;35;08;05 Speaker 3 Let's say it was in this situation, but what I remember, I might have been 14 or 15 years old, and I was crying because I was like, I don't know how I will get at this without my friends knowing about it. Right? And what I remember is I remember just closing my eyes and just singing past me. 00;35;08;05 - 00;35;14;16 Speaker 2 No. Oh, you don't say, hey, hey. 00;35;14;18 - 00;35;16;23 Speaker 3 Listen. That thing. Did you hear me? 00;35;16;26 - 00;35;17;29 Speaker 2 Okay. 00;35;18;02 - 00;35;26;23 Speaker 3 That thing got me over. Let's listen. Oh, God. Because what it does is it centers you. You know what I mean? 00;35;26;23 - 00;35;27;08 Speaker 1 Yes. 00;35;27;08 - 00;35;51;09 Speaker 3 Yeah, it it recenter you. And, and that's in secular songs. That'll do that for me, too, right? Right, right, right, right. You know, and I think the power, really, of what we're saying is that black people have always known that melody is a language that white people could not control, right? We could always do melody even when we could not do speech. 00;35;51;12 - 00;36;12;06 Speaker 3 That part. Right. We could, and what black people could do, which is what you do. We could also mailed Melody with speech. Right? Right. And the power of black people really is in the power of repetition that. Right. Because we know how. We know how. Hey, we can repeat without being redundant, right? 00;36;12;06 - 00;36;17;01 Speaker 1 Right, right, right. But. Right. Because you see, the same way. 00;36;17;01 - 00;36;18;20 Speaker 3 You see? That's it. That's it. 00;36;18;23 - 00;36;19;08 Speaker 2 Same, same. 00;36;19;10 - 00;36;19;18 Speaker 1 Thing. 00;36;19;18 - 00;36;20;29 Speaker 2 But I'm not saying. 00;36;21;04 - 00;36;23;03 Speaker 3 You can say 12 different times. 00;36;23;03 - 00;36;30;09 Speaker 1 Only 12 different times and sometimes 16. Yeah. If we created 20 of them times, got 2 or 3 different ways. 00;36;30;09 - 00;36;37;02 Speaker 3 Absolutely, absolutely. And again, you know, the choir used to sing that song. Trouble. 00;36;37;02 - 00;37;09;26 Speaker 2 In my way. Trouble. And yeah, I got across. I'm gonna come under. No. I'm talking. Yeah. I'm talking. This. Is that in? Jesus, you will fix all you deal with. All? Yes you will. Jesus heals him. That's what you know. This could be hell in the morning. Look after late in the day. Come on. 00;37;09;29 - 00;37;17;26 Speaker 3 Yeah, right. And we could go, we could go for 12 minutes and all the choir is saying is. Jesus. 00;37;17;29 - 00;37;19;08 Speaker 2 He will be. I need. 00;37;19;12 - 00;37;31;27 Speaker 3 But, But see that lead. In other words, black people are. How should I see? Okay, black folks are putting that repetition right alongside that. Improvization. 00;37;31;29 - 00;37;32;22 Speaker 1 It's smart. 00;37;32;27 - 00;37;35;02 Speaker 3 It's got you got to go to get. 00;37;35;05 - 00;37;53;17 Speaker 2 When you when soldiers are doing listening, this is how you going to pay your rent. Work it out. All your money. Spit work it out. Telephone disconnect work it out. Waiting on that next paycheck. That's where that that's where they become is you. When you're doing it over and over. 00;37;53;17 - 00;37;58;15 Speaker 3 And why are they marching right. Yeah. Yes. Yes. 00;37;58;17 - 00;38;06;18 Speaker 2 He bills well it builds momentum. We are marching when marching up to the righteous. Just like. 00;38;06;21 - 00;38;20;03 Speaker 1 Okay. Because. Black folk walk out in the world or out of their doors in Detroit. That town. 00;38;20;05 - 00;38;24;03 Speaker 2 Right? That's right. Shattered Atlanta. Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah. 00;38;24;09 - 00;38;29;27 Speaker 1 And may understand that they at waterholes is playing at. 00;38;29;27 - 00;38;32;11 Speaker 3 That's right, that's right, that's right. 00;38;32;13 - 00;38;33;15 Speaker 1 And the job must be. 00;38;33;15 - 00;38;34;02 Speaker 3 Ready for that. 00;38;34;03 - 00;38;39;11 Speaker 1 In the job again it's not running away from it is walk to is walking. 00;38;39;11 - 00;38;39;17 Speaker 3 Through. 00;38;39;17 - 00;38;41;02 Speaker 1 That's right as well. 00;38;41;05 - 00;38;41;17 Speaker 3 That's right. 00;38;41;17 - 00;38;48;10 Speaker 1 And you're going to walk through because there was on God drowned. God drowned in the Red sea. And that's and that's. 00;38;48;10 - 00;38;50;13 Speaker 3 So you don't have to run from the Red sea. 00;38;50;13 - 00;38;51;08 Speaker 1 You don't have to run. 00;38;51;08 - 00;38;52;16 Speaker 3 From, well, right to it. 00;38;52;22 - 00;38;57;17 Speaker 1 You're wrong. Right to the beach, said Michelle. Shadrach, you better go. 00;38;57;22 - 00;39;00;03 Speaker 3 Come on, come on. Hey! Yes, sir. Yes, sir. 00;39;00;06 - 00;39;05;21 Speaker 2 Way. Look here, I bet. Hey, Nebuchadnezzar, put me in. 00;39;05;23 - 00;39;09;09 Speaker 3 Look what put me in. In fact, not only. Not only am I unafraid, put. 00;39;09;09 - 00;39;12;24 Speaker 2 Me in it. Hey. Because what you want me to do, I'm not. 00;39;12;24 - 00;39;18;07 Speaker 1 Going to do right now. You want me to bow down to a power? I'm not going to be great when I'm already working. 00;39;18;11 - 00;39;22;04 Speaker 2 And I ain't got to cuss you out. Put me in. 00;39;22;06 - 00;39;25;02 Speaker 3 There. That thing is a little heavy thing they did. 00;39;25;04 - 00;39;25;23 Speaker 1 They didn't put. 00;39;25;23 - 00;39;36;18 Speaker 3 Me in it. Because in fact, when you put me in it, you're setting me up. Put me right in it. That thing is another level. Black people is another level. Put me. 00;39;36;20 - 00;39;51;08 Speaker 2 You could put me in it. Because when you put it on me, set you up right. Ain't going to go from Cottage Grove. Oh, listen. All right. No, I will know. All right? No. All right. No. But you know. 00;39;51;11 - 00;40;16;12 Speaker 3 That, Martin. You know what the some about that marching to this reason choirs marched in. You know, back in the day, the choir used to March 8th. Yeah, right. But it's something about that marching this metaphor in terms of black people's understanding of, of their continued existence in America, like we are. We are perpetually in and preparing for battle. 00;40;16;14 - 00;40;47;01 Speaker 3 Yes. Right. So this choir marching in, right, I think can very easily be read as the prerequisite. Right. For the battle we're about to fight, even in this theological place. Right, right. Because the choir march in has got to happen before the church begins. Yeah. Come on. Somebody that came marching in midway, the choir of the choir got to march in first. 00;40;47;04 - 00;40;57;12 Speaker 3 So that's a wayward. Is choir marching in? It's open in the way. Prepare. It's doing something. You know what I'm saying? Because it's it's it's the timing that's got to happen first. 00;40;57;17 - 00;40;59;01 Speaker 1 However, first. 00;40;59;03 - 00;41;00;10 Speaker 3 It's got to come first. 00;41;00;10 - 00;41;24;06 Speaker 1 You know, as you're speaking, it reminds me of what I believe to be the most important word in, vernacular. And that's the word that begins with the letter W and ends with the letter E, and it's the most important word in a poem that Brooks wrote called We Real Cool. 00;41;24;08 - 00;41;32;23 Speaker 3 Now, we left school, we learned late. We strike straight, we sing, sing we things. Yeah. We dance. 00;41;32;24 - 00;41;35;02 Speaker 2 Do we die soon? 00;41;35;06 - 00;42;04;12 Speaker 1 Okay. Yes, ma'am. I tell you all that. Why? That's the most important word. Because anybody reading that poem is now one of the seven at the Golden Shovel. Paul could definitely would say you real cool. You left school, or they real cool. Well, she writes the words we can't get out of we. And that's where, again, I'm thinking about the marching and. 00;42;04;12 - 00;42;08;16 Speaker 1 And what that and what they're marching does. You know, it got. 00;42;08;18 - 00;42;12;04 Speaker 2 In a lot. That's good. The band is the the the drum. 00;42;12;04 - 00;42;12;14 Speaker 3 Yes. 00;42;12;18 - 00;42;13;12 Speaker 2 Lots. 00;42;13;15 - 00;42;15;26 Speaker 3 Because while we marching ain't no soloist. 00;42;16;03 - 00;42;18;05 Speaker 1 Ain't no solo. 00;42;18;08 - 00;42;30;16 Speaker 3 While we Martin is one. It's. It's one arm. It's us. You don't know who the colonel is, you know. And it makes me think, you know, I wrote a book called The Coming. Yes. And, And there's no protagonist. It's just we we and we we we. 00;42;30;22 - 00;42;31;09 Speaker 2 Yeah, I do. 00;42;31;16 - 00;42;32;28 Speaker 3 Yeah. So I think that's probably. 00;42;33;00 - 00;42;34;11 Speaker 2 I love that about I. 00;42;34;11 - 00;42;56;25 Speaker 1 Mean I love that about that that particular the particular work because again like I said, when I used an adjective speaking, it makes me think about that important, word in in, in week and how the advancements of black folks in this country and even around the globe at this point, have come through the work of unified work. 00;42;56;27 - 00;43;02;07 Speaker 3 Right through left. Right. Yes. Left. Yes. Oh yes. Oh, yes. Right. Oh yeah. 00;43;02;08 - 00;43;09;15 Speaker 1 And it puts us in sync. That's how the walls of Jericho tumble. Because the in. 00;43;09;18 - 00;43;21;04 Speaker 2 The. Oh I can't wait I can't wait a minute I try let's I'm trying to figure out how to get the hell out. And I can't figure out how to take this. Oh, let me tell you. So let me. 00;43;21;07 - 00;43;22;20 Speaker 3 What? Don't don't take me to them. Wow. 00;43;22;21 - 00;43;32;22 Speaker 2 Fancy. Because people say no, Avery. Come on, Saints. And look, this ain't easy to tell me. A year later, fourth grade sit in my classroom. 00;43;32;22 - 00;43;34;11 Speaker 1 I raise my hand, and I'm. 00;43;34;11 - 00;43;39;28 Speaker 2 Like, how did how did, Columbus discover America? 00;43;40;05 - 00;43;42;29 Speaker 1 And people are already there. That's, you know, that's my question. 00;43;42;29 - 00;43;48;23 Speaker 2 Look at that, I say, I say, how does one discover a thing? 00;43;48;26 - 00;43;49;25 Speaker 3 It's somebody else is. 00;43;49;27 - 00;43;56;08 Speaker 1 And people are really there. And she said, well, he's the European discovery. And I'm like, well, what makes a Euro discovery. 00;43;56;10 - 00;44;02;17 Speaker 2 Any more important, right, than anybody else who was there before? And then she. 00;44;02;20 - 00;44;11;02 Speaker 1 Again broke another, broke their rule again, don't have a wife. People call him house and ring ring ring ring ring ring miss book answer the phone. This book says. 00;44;11;02 - 00;44;14;00 Speaker 2 Yes, this book. I want to discuss. 00;44;14;00 - 00;44;24;29 Speaker 1 The propaganda that Avery's being exposed to and that. Oh, no. And let me say what the lady told him. Let me tell you. What was the mother saying to her propaganda? 00;44;25;01 - 00;44;55;13 Speaker 2 Every bath we read contains this half. Now, baby, if that ain't good reason, we we can drive this house. I say, I say, I say go, Scotty. What? Let me go to you. Okay. Got it? Got that. Me. That is the funniest thing. I, on the planet, she said. She said. And I think there's a national namespace. 00;44;55;16 - 00;45;01;03 Speaker 2 I'm sure that's outside your outside. Foreign. Come out. Stood up. Oh, what? 00;45;01;05 - 00;45;01;26 Speaker 3 That phone was what. 00;45;01;26 - 00;45;15;19 Speaker 2 She then lady say. What? No, no. No, ma'am. Ma'am, Avery's been reading a book called Before the Mayflower. 00;45;15;22 - 00;45;18;08 Speaker 1 And she said, oh. 00;45;18;11 - 00;45;19;11 Speaker 2 Before the Mayflower. 00;45;19;11 - 00;45;30;28 Speaker 1 The model had already hooked me up with call. And she says, well, don't worry about it. You won't. I won't hear you. What he reading anymore? She hung. She hangs up the phone. 00;45;31;01 - 00;45;37;22 Speaker 3 Yeah. She says to you, This a girl? I know how this go, 00;45;37;24 - 00;45;41;17 Speaker 1 And. 00;45;41;19 - 00;45;44;14 Speaker 2 The the work. 00;45;44;17 - 00;45;55;23 Speaker 1 Even in that for me was one. The lady shut her down when she told that woman. 00;45;55;26 - 00;45;56;25 Speaker 2 Okay. 00;45;56;28 - 00;45;59;07 Speaker 1 Everyday every Baptist. 00;45;59;09 - 00;46;00;11 Speaker 3 That you have, we. 00;46;00;12 - 00;46;04;29 Speaker 1 Read the king. We read King James at this house. 00;46;05;02 - 00;46;18;26 Speaker 3 And the black people know the King James Version because we don't want no NIV in Ivey. We don't want no part of the modern day live in the Bible, the chokehold. And I think there's another thing too, though I think. 00;46;18;26 - 00;46;19;04 Speaker 1 It's the. 00;46;19;04 - 00;46;22;01 Speaker 3 Red. Right. I think I think that. 00;46;22;03 - 00;46;29;03 Speaker 2 What I ran over to do, do the, the New Testament with them when the when from the pages, I think that, I think there's. 00;46;29;05 - 00;46;35;02 Speaker 3 Some of that. I think it's a and I think there's something else to I think it's the poetry. 00;46;35;05 - 00;46;35;26 Speaker 1 It is. 00;46;36;03 - 00;46;44;23 Speaker 3 See, it's the see black people what we want when you talk, we need music in your speech. 00;46;45;18 - 00;46;58;04 Speaker 3 See there's a difference between though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels. Yeah. And have not love and become as a sounding brass or tinkling cymbal. 00;46;59;05 - 00;47;12;16 Speaker 3 You bet. I can't hear nobody in this room right now when you translate that right. Even though I can speak. Well, if I, if I don't love other people, it doesn't have much value. 00;47;12;19 - 00;47;22;29 Speaker 2 No, sir. No, sir. No no, yea. Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death and of this drama. 00;47;22;29 - 00;47;25;03 Speaker 3 I will fear no evil. Because that's. 00;47;25;05 - 00;47;27;18 Speaker 2 That's poetry, that's drama, and that's. 00;47;27;20 - 00;47;35;10 Speaker 3 That's the. And it's also music, right? See, in other words, I'm arguing that you can actually clap out the meter. 00;47;35;13 - 00;47;36;04 Speaker 2 Yeah. 00;47;36;04 - 00;47;36;15 Speaker 1 Right. 00;47;36;15 - 00;47;38;20 Speaker 3 It's right. Yes yes yes. 00;47;38;20 - 00;47;44;14 Speaker 2 That's what Shakespeare. That's what I say. That's what I said. Yeah, yeah. He preparest a table for me. 00;47;44;14 - 00;48;03;06 Speaker 3 In the presence of life right now. Anointing. Yeah. No, not you. Pour something over my head. That's not going to work. That's not going to work. It disturbs the actual musicality of the text. People think that black folks are in love with King James. No, no, no, no, you missed it. What black people are in love with is a poetry. 00;48;03;11 - 00;48;14;15 Speaker 3 But it's not just in the Bible. We do this even in our speech. Like most black men, there's a difference between saying, good afternoon, Avery, right. 00;48;14;15 - 00;48;20;21 Speaker 2 Versus what a black man. How you doing, baby? 00;48;20;23 - 00;48;30;19 Speaker 3 See? See what? When we put out music. Right, the music returns, right? So? So in a minute, we're going to have a symphony, right? 00;48;30;21 - 00;48;38;01 Speaker 2 Yes. But now you know. That's not what I mean. I'm just saying are the fair. Are you saying the tree. Let's let's have hardwood. 00;48;38;01 - 00;48;39;18 Speaker 1 Let's have a conversation about. 00;48;39;18 - 00;48;41;11 Speaker 2 What. 00;48;41;14 - 00;48;45;13 Speaker 1 Does that mean for us now that we've been talking about. What do you mean? 00;48;45;13 - 00;48;46;05 Speaker 3 The tree planted. 00;48;46;05 - 00;48;51;03 Speaker 1 By the river. Not just by a tree, but we'll be talking about the mean and our communication. What does that. 00;48;51;03 - 00;48;53;09 Speaker 3 Mean? Let's say that, man. I like the man. 00;48;53;12 - 00;48;55;03 Speaker 1 What does that mean for us. 00;48;55;03 - 00;48;55;14 Speaker 3 Right. 00;48;55;14 - 00;48;56;12 Speaker 1 Now? 00;48;56;14 - 00;49;09;07 Speaker 3 See, I think the reason I like the metaphor is because a tree never move, right? A water always moves. Yeah, but what's beauty in this? What's beautiful in the song is that. 00;49;09;09 - 00;49;11;28 Speaker 1 Oh, I know it's hard, I know. 00;49;12;00 - 00;49;26;03 Speaker 3 But they juxtaposing the two right next to each other. Okay. Right. Just like a tree planted by the water. In other words, something is ever moving and something is never moving. 00;49;26;06 - 00;49;28;02 Speaker 1 And there ain't going to be me, right? 00;49;28;05 - 00;49;30;12 Speaker 3 Putting the one move around me. 00;49;30;15 - 00;49;31;01 Speaker 2 I'm the I'm. 00;49;31;05 - 00;49;55;28 Speaker 3 So when is the song really sad? It says, but I shall not. I shall not be moved. Why? Because, you know, you gotta fill in the spaces for life, right, right, right, right, I shall not, I shall not be moved. Because just like a tree, I'm the tree that's. In other words, I'm stable. I'm rooted, I'm connected. The world can do whatever. 00;49;55;29 - 00;49;58;06 Speaker 2 It wants to do. Come on, somebody. 00;49;58;08 - 00;50;07;04 Speaker 1 It can do what I want to do. And then, unless I also didn't understand then the trickery. When people tell you that, well, if you if you stagnate, you don't change. That's not what I'm saying. 00;50;07;04 - 00;50;11;01 Speaker 3 Yes. No, it's not okay because the tree that. 00;50;11;03 - 00;50;14;19 Speaker 1 Come on now and we see it. Avery a tree is reborn. Avery. 00;50;14;19 - 00;50;17;07 Speaker 3 Avery, Avery everywhere. 00;50;17;07 - 00;50;20;11 Speaker 2 I said look, look, look, look. 00;50;20;14 - 00;50;29;09 Speaker 3 Because the tree, what people sleep on is a tree is always moving. It just moves this way. It's the tallest thing, you know. 00;50;29;12 - 00;50;36;25 Speaker 2 And this. Yeah. And this is this move that way. And it's moving that way. 00;50;36;27 - 00;50;38;00 Speaker 1 That's what the tree is doing. 00;50;38;07 - 00;50;39;07 Speaker 3 That's what the tree is. 00;50;39;07 - 00;50;40;13 Speaker 1 That's what the tree is doing. 00;50;40;13 - 00;50;41;04 Speaker 3 That's what. 00;50;41;07 - 00;50;43;05 Speaker 1 That's what the tree is doing. 00;50;43;07 - 00;50;46;19 Speaker 3 Be like that tree and which means and. 00;50;46;19 - 00;50;47;03 Speaker 1 Leaves. 00;50;47;08 - 00;50;49;03 Speaker 2 And folk, those and know. 00;50;49;05 - 00;50;51;23 Speaker 3 They don't have to see every part of your growth. 00;50;51;25 - 00;51;16;12 Speaker 1 They won't, they not right. They won't. That's right, they won't. I hope, and didn't last night. It cleanses. And, Cole asked me, can I ask you a provocative question? And I'm like, sure, go ahead. They all are, he says with black outcry, as I say that. What are you talking about, Mr. Drum? 00;51;16;16 - 00;51;20;10 Speaker 2 Right. What'd you talk about, Mr. Drum? 00;51;20;12 - 00;51;29;17 Speaker 1 We have the black outcry. Like the. What do you mean? Why aren't black people saying anything? I'm saying? Oh, oh. 00;51;29;19 - 00;51;34;15 Speaker 3 Oh, I'm so glad I wasn't there. I'm so glad I went there. 00;51;34;17 - 00;51;35;22 Speaker 1 I wish you were, though. 00;51;35;28 - 00;51;41;04 Speaker 2 Who asked you to? I'll tell you. Oh, love. 00;51;41;06 - 00;51;44;01 Speaker 1 And uncle Lee eating liver. 00;51;44;03 - 00;51;47;08 Speaker 2 Are. And uncle. 00;51;47;08 - 00;51;48;19 Speaker 1 Eat, live. Ask that question. 00;51;48;21 - 00;51;49;20 Speaker 2 See the link. 00;51;49;23 - 00;51;54;07 Speaker 3 For that question. That that would have to be a person who's death. 00;51;54;09 - 00;51;58;07 Speaker 1 They're part and blind. 00;51;58;09 - 00;52;08;20 Speaker 3 Because the cry of black people is like when you wake up in the morning you don't hear that. That's what I would. But again listen let me, let me see. 00;52;08;20 - 00;52;13;07 Speaker 2 If I can. And just really white because what what you to. Why are you not acting. 00;52;13;07 - 00;52;14;17 Speaker 1 I think you supposed to. 00;52;14;17 - 00;52;25;00 Speaker 3 Right right right right right right. And what's interesting and here's the arrogance. This person question the cry instead of questioning their ability to hear. 00;52;25;03 - 00;52;27;03 Speaker 1 Yeah. 00;52;27;05 - 00;52;46;22 Speaker 3 That's what I think is really profound, right. Because there's no such thing as an oppressed people who who are not constantly screaming no such thing. In fact, it's like somebody say, oh, wow, where did the Native Americans go? They're not saying nothing no more. Oh, no, you don't mean that. I don't think you mean that to you. Well, yeah, some people could mean that. 00;52;46;22 - 00;53;15;01 Speaker 3 Right? If if you if your hearing is bad, you know, it's like that is like this, you know, there are those who have eyes but cannot see, you know, and, I think that even in this, I think even in this day in time, too, I think what we're called upon to do, in this moment, is to reach back and get some of those ancient tech spiritual technologies in order to bear this historical moment. 00;53;15;03 - 00;53;40;17 Speaker 3 Right. Because there are there are lots of new things we do lots of technology, which is beautiful and wonderful and amazing. But what's true also is there are ways our ancestors learned the art of subterfuge and the art of survival in the midst of white supremacy. Not once white supremacy is not praying against it, right? In fact, if yours are like my my grandmother, like yours, they would say yes, ma'am and no ma'am. 00;53;40;17 - 00;53;51;01 Speaker 3 The white folk. Okay. Absolutely right. But they come home and say, don't you follow them silly ass people? 00;53;51;03 - 00;53;53;00 Speaker 1 Please put please put kernel. 00;53;53;00 - 00;53;56;28 Speaker 3 In your window. Right. But if they knock on the door, if you're not going to do it, I'd say yes ma'am. 00;53;56;28 - 00;53;57;19 Speaker 2 Yeah yeah, yeah. 00;53;57;20 - 00;54;08;26 Speaker 3 You know, and we had to say ma'am and sir to black or white. Right, right. But but once they left, right, right. They said don't our food and crackers. 00;54;08;27 - 00;54;11;27 Speaker 2 Right. And what you also know about and my. 00;54;11;27 - 00;54;18;08 Speaker 1 Thing also now and we're having this conversation is that. 00;54;18;11 - 00;54;21;10 Speaker 2 Baba Gill told us your. 00;54;21;10 - 00;54;29;11 Speaker 1 Outcry what you've seen on TV, whom we up in this moment. Now what we're doing is not tell them that it's right. That's right. And it's not for you. 00;54;29;13 - 00;54;33;12 Speaker 3 It's not for you. That's right. It's not even for you. That's right. Any, any. That's right. 00;54;33;15 - 00;54;38;12 Speaker 2 And we did everything we supposed to post to do. 00;54;38;12 - 00;54;40;12 Speaker 1 Absolutely. It's on your. 00;54;40;20 - 00;54;40;27 Speaker 3 Own. 00;54;41;00 - 00;54;49;14 Speaker 1 College show, TV, your grandchildren, your grand mamas. And then because that's death, that's who did what we mean. 00;54;49;14 - 00;54;51;04 Speaker 3 That's not about us. That's right. 00;54;51;05 - 00;55;08;17 Speaker 1 That's not us. We got nothing to do with us. That's right. And at some point. If I tell you a car is in the street that you are standing in, and if you don't move, that car is going to knock you to the gate of Jesus. 00;55;08;17 - 00;55;10;06 Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00;55;10;08 - 00;55;16;02 Speaker 1 It's so much I'm going to do. I'm not coming down this street. Right. To save. 00;55;16;02 - 00;55;16;27 Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. 00;55;16;29 - 00;55;20;28 Speaker 1 Think you out of that car. Absolutely. Yeah. I didn't do what I had to do, I tell you. 00;55;21;00 - 00;55;23;17 Speaker 3 Yeah. It's teaching a level of responsibility. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00;55;23;17 - 00;55;27;25 Speaker 1 And responsibility. I'm not now about. I'm not about to be your greatest American hero. 00;55;27;25 - 00;55;42;23 Speaker 3 Yeah. It's like to me, I'm gonna say this, and then I'm gonna take this off and I'm going to walk out this door, okay? Don't know. That's what's going to happen. I'm. I'm just letting you know that. I'm just telling you right now. And this is why black people, white people have never been able to go to church together. 00;55;42;26 - 00;55;45;07 Speaker 3 Right? 00;55;45;09 - 00;55;45;27 Speaker 3 That's okay. 00;55;45;27 - 00;55;48;26 Speaker 2 Okay. I thanks to you. Thanks for you. 00;55;48;28 - 00;56;10;01 Speaker 3 Now they're interdenominational church with black with the white folks. They are just to stay with me for a minute, but but and have a little critique in because really, I want to really argue that black people are not really doing Christianity. And what a what a pleasure. Then we would wait with absolute pleasure. 00;56;10;03 - 00;56;13;09 Speaker 2 Okay. What do they say? They did not say what. 00;56;13;12 - 00;56;14;24 Speaker 3 Absolute pleasure is. 00;56;14;24 - 00;56;25;17 Speaker 2 Being. No no no no no no. So if they not we've been Christian. If they then do because I, I know, I know exactly what you going to say because I've been saying it for many myself. Then what. 00;56;25;20 - 00;56;28;05 Speaker 1 Are the black folk doing if they're not doing Christianity. 00;56;28;10 - 00;56;31;07 Speaker 3 Like people are doing African religion? 00;56;31;09 - 00;56;32;03 Speaker 1 Come on now. 00;56;32;04 - 00;56;37;23 Speaker 3 And white folks don't know which. 00;56;37;25 - 00;56;39;25 Speaker 3 I'm trying to take this. 00;56;39;28 - 00;56;48;14 Speaker 2 They don't. They know. Right. Listen. We're done. Wait wait wait wait wait. Anything else? Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. They know. Right? 00;56;48;20 - 00;56;53;21 Speaker 3 Right. Yeah. They can do ceremony. They can do. They can do ceremony. 00;56;53;22 - 00;56;54;04 Speaker 2 They can do. 00;56;54;04 - 00;56;57;10 Speaker 3 They can do. Hasim. Absolutely. They don't know. 00;56;57;13 - 00;56;59;04 Speaker 1 And I in fact. 00;56;59;07 - 00;57;13;05 Speaker 3 Because that's right, that's right. Because. Right. Right. Is is is the formalized process human made process by which one starts and completes. Yeah. Right. 00;57;14;02 - 00;57;22;02 Speaker 3 Ritual is governed by the invisible. This is why black folk can't tell you what time we going to get out of church. 00;57;22;05 - 00;57;25;05 Speaker 1 Can't. Because not if not and not not if we. 00;57;25;10 - 00;57;26;03 Speaker 3 Because ritual. 00;57;26;03 - 00;57;26;18 Speaker 1 Ritual. 00;57;26;18 - 00;57;53;02 Speaker 3 Yes ritual is government is not governed by kairos time. Ritual is governed by spirit time and spirit time is not clock time. No. Right which it may give. It could be 1230. It could be 115. Right. Which is why black folk say if the Holy Ghost get if the spirit is good, we don't have no complaint. No, the complaint is saying we're doing good, we ain't good and we still in him. 00;57;53;02 - 00;58;01;01 Speaker 2 We not saying oh we them better pay. Yes 3020. We're not mad about what merit moved. 00;58;01;04 - 00;58;03;10 Speaker 3 What we mad about is it? The spirit didn't move. 00;58;03;10 - 00;58;04;06 Speaker 2 And we still live. 00;58;04;07 - 00;58;05;28 Speaker 1 There. 00;58;06;00 - 00;58;09;12 Speaker 2 And it's chicken there. And. 00;58;09;14 - 00;58;13;04 Unknown And this chicken doesn't like God. 00;58;13;06 - 00;58;13;23 Speaker 3 It's the problem. 00;58;13;25 - 00;58;14;17 Speaker 2 Is a wrong. 00;58;14;18 - 00;58;25;22 Speaker 3 Yes, but I really understand. Really. African people are really do it. And most black people don't notice either. If black people are really doing African ritual in these Christian churches. 00;58;25;24 - 00;58;26;29 Speaker 1 Yeah. 00;58;27;01 - 00;58;42;14 Speaker 3 Most black people can't explain it either. No. See, really, the church initially was just a cover for African spirituality, and the reason we use the church is because they had a church and we and we understood they would not find that suspect. 00;58;43;21 - 00;58;57;18 Speaker 3 We, we, we couldn't be out in the, in the hush harvest that looked to suspect it had no framework around with white folks recognize. But church did. So we so so we borrowed that. 00;58;57;20 - 00;59;02;00 Speaker 2 Oh what we know from Jesus. This is what we the. 00;59;02;00 - 00;59;03;17 Speaker 1 Thing and it was a negotiation. 00;59;03;17 - 00;59;14;15 Speaker 3 That's it, that's it. That's right, that's right. But the problem was after a generation or two, what ended up happening is we didn't teach the children the negotiation. 00;59;14;17 - 00;59;15;03 Speaker 1 Yeah. 00;59;15;05 - 00;59;30;17 Speaker 3 We just passed it on to them as if the church was ours. Oh, it's an honor to have met you. But I love you so, big brother. You're so marvelous. 00;59;30;19 - 00;59;31;18 Speaker 2 Now, that night, about. 00;59;31;18 - 00;59;35;13 Speaker 3 Five minutes, I'm gonna be I just right now. What an honor to meet you. 00;59;35;18 - 00;59;39;15 Speaker 2 We go now. Face a face laid on my face. 00;59;39;19 - 00;59;51;08 Speaker 3 Face down. But in this we don't. Well, we don't feel. Yeah. What an honor to meet you. Congratulations for being the poet laureate. So I'm. I'm so full right now, I don't know what in. 00;59;51;08 - 00;59;58;18 Speaker 2 God's word to do. You know what? Hey, you're welcome to woke up this morning. Listen. And didn't know what. 00;59;58;18 - 01;00;01;10 Speaker 1 Was going to happen. 01;00;01;13 - 01;00;06;01 Speaker 2 And. But I did know. 01;00;06;03 - 01;00;12;24 Speaker 1 That. My, this would be popular. No. 01;00;12;24 - 01;00;16;15 Speaker 3 Hell, yes. So I knew that, too, because I knew I was coming to see. 01;00;16;18 - 01;00;20;14 Speaker 1 And that's that's. And that's, Okay. Come on. 01;00;20;15 - 01;00;28;02 Speaker 3 Cassie, I knew I knew a man from Galilee. I meet a man from Galilee this morning. 01;00;28;05 - 01;00;36;19 Speaker 2 The Greg that lead, The great good. The great God, the great. You I say what they said. 01;00;36;19 - 01;00;51;15 Speaker 3 There's a man, but come into town. He gives sight to the blind. Oh, black people are another. Not really. But that's you. Every time you speak, you give sight to the blind brother. See what's on that? And I on. 01;00;51;18 - 01;00;57;05 Speaker 1 There. I'm telling you, I'm telling you I can't. That's that's what we think. That ain't that, that ain't me. 01;00;57;05 - 01;01;00;11 Speaker 3 Now I'm a yes yes. We give sighted our response. 01;01;00;11 - 01;01;02;18 Speaker 1 That's the that's that's definitely I thank. 01;01;02;18 - 01;01;22;12 Speaker 3 God for those ancestors. Yeah. Who did that for for both of us. Right. And I give I give honor to those ancestors. I say yes for every single ancestor who bring us right for them. But for those who believed in us, those grandmothers and grandfathers, the Nazis and uncles and big mamas. 01;01;22;14 - 01;01;22;26 Speaker 1 Who. 01;01;22;29 - 01;01;35;09 Speaker 3 Who loved us sometimes before others loved us, I give my thanks for them, those in our tradition who are who are like us, the James Baldwin's and the Langston Hughes is an amazing unknown. Hey. 01;01;35;11 - 01;01;37;28 Speaker 1 Hey, hey, I'm Tony Morales. 01;01;38;01 - 01;01;40;02 Speaker 3 Hey, guys, let's. 01;01;40;05 - 01;01;40;29 Speaker 1 See what Dillon. 01;01;40;29 - 01;01;42;15 Speaker 3 Brooks, some balsam. 01;01;42;17 - 01;01;44;22 Speaker 1 Say, Lawrence Dunbar. 01;01;44;25 - 01;01;45;29 Speaker 3 Richard Wright, I. 01;01;46;01 - 01;01;47;23 Speaker 1 Say yes, I say. 01;01;47;23 - 01;01;50;19 Speaker 3 Cloud the way I wish this harvest. 01;01;50;19 - 01;01;52;00 Speaker 1 Well, I say. 01;01;52;00 - 01;02;20;28 Speaker 3 And finally for, for somebody named, DJ who owns this, this bookstore, this place, who who taught it, not robbery to to conceive of and to create a room in which, the world could live and thrive and could could rebirth. This young man is a giant among us that the children will call his name in the future. 01;02;20;28 - 01;02;32;24 Speaker 3 As the keeper of one of our literary spaces, I give, I give praise, and I give. I'll give. Honest to him. And Mikey know every single book he's sale is a life saved. 01;02;32;25 - 01;02;33;16 Speaker 1 I say. 01;02;33;19 - 01;02;39;09 Speaker 3 I say, and when we meet in this place again, or wherever we meet again, and we don't pick up right where we left off. 01;02;39;11 - 01;02;40;28 Speaker 1 When we left home. Yes, 01;02;41;01 - 01;02;48;07 Speaker 2 We need an old campground. That's. Let's go. We go. You know what we go call it. Where we going? To campground. Okay, then when we go to. 01;02;48;07 - 01;02;50;06 Speaker 1 Sit down in life. 01;02;50;09 - 01;02;54;27 Speaker 3 I'll meet you outside on the ground like that. 01;02;55;00 - 01;03;08;00 Speaker 2 Thank you. Lord, we going to do. That's what I got to do. Got.