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Bad People

BBC Radio 5 Livewww.bbc.co.uk

Murderers. Fraudsters. Internet trolls. This is a podcast about people who do terrible things, and the science of humanity’s dark side.

Series producer: Louisa Field Artwork: Kingsley Nebechi Music: Matt Chandler Editors: Anna Lacey and Martin Smith Academic Consultants for The Open University: Dr Ailsa Strathie Dr Sarah Laurence Commissioning Assistant Producer: Adam Eland Commissioning Executive: Dylan Haskins Bad People is produced in partnership with The Open University and is a BBC Audio Science Production for BBC Sounds.

Episodes

125. The Secret History of the Clubcard

How one of the first Tesco Clubcards was used to pay off a blackmailer threatening to poison frozen food. And how that Clubcard was used to catch him. Presented by journalist and true crime documentary maker Amber Haque and criminal psychologist Dr Julia Shaw. Producer: Ciaran Tracey with help from James Shield Executive Producer: Innes Bowen Production Coordinator: Juliette Harvey Mix Engineer: John Scott Commissioning Editor: Dylan Haskins Assistant Commissioner: Izzy Lee-Poulton Bad People is...

Dec 26, 202440 min

124. Flashers: The case of Wayne Couzens

Former Metropolitan Police officer, Wayne Couzens, kidnapped, raped and murdered Sarah Everard, in March, 2021. Hosts Amber Haque and Dr Julia Shaw discuss the findings of The Angiolini Inquiry, and how the crime of indecent exposure may indicate a potential trajectory towards even more serious sexual and violent offending. Producer: Lorna Reader Executive Producers: Innes Bowen and Joe Kent Production Coordinator: Juliette Harvey Mix Engineer: John Scott Commissioning Editor: Dylan Haskins Assi...

Dec 19, 202444 min

123. My ex tried to have me killed

Rob Parkes’ ex-wife lied about him being a drug dealer and a gang member. Then she tried to hire a hitman to have him killed. Rob tells his remarkable story of abuse, narrow escapes and survival. Presented by journalist and true crime documentary maker Amber Haque and criminal psychologist Dr Julia Shaw. Producers: James Shield and Danita McIntyre Executive Producers: Joe Kent and Innes Bowen Production Coordinator: Juliette Harvey Mix Engineer: John Scott Commissioning Editor: Dylan Haskins Ass...

Dec 12, 202435 min

122. Trust Me I'm a Doctor

Ian Patterson was a sought after breast surgeon and patron of a charity supporting people with cancer, now he’s in prison. He was sentenced to 20 years in 2017 for carrying out unnecessary and unapproved procedures. Hosts Amber Haque and Dr Julia Shaw discuss the psychology of medical encounters and the prevalence of narcissism amongst surgeons. Producer: Rachel Oakes Executive Producers: Innes Bowen and Joe Kent Production Coordinator: Juliette Harvey Mix Engineer: John Scott Assistant Commissi...

Dec 05, 202439 min

121. Understanding Violence: Bad People x The Reith Lectures

Dr Gwen Adshead has spent almost thirty years working with the some of the most violent offenders in prisons and high security psychiatric facilities. Amber Haque and Dr Julia Shaw speak to Dr Gwen Adshead who is delivering this year's BBC Radio 4 Reith Lectures. She tells Bad People that to really understand violence we need to pay more attention to what perpetrators say about it.

Nov 28, 202435 min

120. We need to talk about Ethan

Should the parents of a high school shooter be held criminally responsible for the actions of their son? The landmark case of James and Jennifer Crumbley, the parents of US high school shooter Ethan Crumbley. They were charged with failing to prevent their son's fatal attack. Presented by journalist and true crime documentary maker Amber Haque and criminal psychologist Dr Julia Shaw. Producer: James Shield Executive Producer: Innes Bowen Production Coordinator: Juliette Harvey Mix Engineer: John...

Nov 21, 202443 min

119. The Ultimate Foul

Faye Dunn was a professional footballer who played for the England women's team. In 2020, police discovered she had another career in organised crime. Amber Haque tells the story of how Faye and her father were rumbled in the biggest organised crime bust in British history. Dr Julia Shaw delves into the research on double lives and going into crime with a family member. Producers: Maggie Latham, Lorna Reader and Fiona Woods Production Apprentice: Danita McIntyre Executive Producer: Innes Bowen P...

Nov 14, 202438 min

118. Killed by Text

The story of how teenager Michelle Carter's text messages to suicidal boyfriend Conrad Roy resulted in death for him and a charge of manslaughter for her. Hosts Amber Haque and Dr Julia Shaw discuss whether it should be a crime to encourage someone to take their own life? Producers: Lorna Reader and Rachel Oakes. Executive Producer: Innes Bowen Production Coordinator: Juliette Harvey Mix Engineer: John Scott Commissioning Editor: Dylan Haskins Assistant Commissioners: Izzy Lee-Poulton and Sarah ...

Nov 07, 202443 min

117. The Bookkeeper and the Boss

Sherri Lynn Lamarche was the unassuming bookkeeper in a family real estate business in Nova Scotia. She was trusted so much that she managed to steal millions before anyone noticed. Hosts Amber Haque and Dr Julia Shaw discuss how criminal psychology's model of the "fraud triangle" perfectly fits this ultimate office drama. It's a classic fraud story of opportunity, incentive and rationalisation. Producers: Ciaran Tracey with help from Lorna Reader, Rhiannon Cobb and Shabnam Grewal Executive Prod...

Oct 31, 202443 min

116. Bad Momfluencer

In February 2024, mother-of-six, beloved parenting guru and social media star Ruby Franke, was convicted and jailed for child abuse. The case struck at the heart of what it means to be a good carer in today’s society, and how even the most loving parent can end up committing unimaginable cruelty. Join criminal psychologist, Dr Julia Shaw and true crime documentary maker Amber Haque as they discuss this truly heartbreaking and mind-boggling case – as well as exploring how what and who we choose t...

Oct 24, 202446 min

115. Lost at Sea

Rebecca Coriam, a 24-year-old from Chester, was working on a cruise ship off the Pacific coast of Mexico when she disappeared in 2011. The story of how the police and the cruise line dealt with her disappearance shines a light on the difficulties of getting a thorough investigation when someone goes missing at sea. Hosts Amber Haque and Dr Julia Shaw discuss this story and find out more about crime on cruise ships. Producers: Maggie Latham and Rachel Oakes Executive Producer: Innes Bowen Product...

Oct 17, 202445 min

114. Showtrial and the politics of protest

Showtrial series 2 is a gripping BBC screen drama about climate activism, civil disobedience and police corruption. Screenwriter Ben Richards joins Julia and Amber to talk about the bad things his characters do and why. In this podcast we state incorrectly that the setting for the courtroom drama was London. We should have said the setting was a Brighton courtroom. We apologise. Producer: Lorna Reader Executive Producer: Innes Bowen Production Coordinator: Juliette Harvey Mix Engineer: John Scot...

Oct 10, 202435 min

113. It's in our DNA

Magdalena Cruz did not know who her father was. But she knew he was a rapist. An ancestry DNA test led her to her likely family. When she looked at their profiles on social media she came across the photograph of a man with a striking family resemblance. Journalist Amber Haque and criminal psychologist Dr Julia Shaw delve into the story. Producers: Ciaran Tracey and James Shield Executive Producer: Innes Bowen Production Coordinator: Juliette Harvey Mix Engineer: John Scott Commissioning Editor:...

Oct 03, 202444 min

112. Four Boys

Three boys from the same Sunderland school were found dead within a few months of each other in the early 1990s. Their deaths were initially blamed on sniffing glue to get high. But the boys' families thought they had been murdered. And they were right. Two years later, Steven Grieveson was convicted of serial murder. But the investigation wasn't over. Presenters: Criminal psychologist Dr Julia Shaw and journalist and true crime documentary maker Amber Haque. Producers: Maggie Latham and Rachel ...

Sep 26, 202446 min

111. Pretendians

"Pretendians" are people who falsely claim a native American or indigenous Canadian identity. In 2024, a 59 year old woman who falsely claimed her daughters were adopted Inuit girls was sentenced to three years in a Canadian prison. Karima Manji lied about her daughters' heritage to claim $150,000 from funds reserved for Inuit people. The judge sentenced her to more than the two years recommended by the prosecution, stating that Manji had "victimized the Inuit of Nunavut by stealing their identi...

Sep 19, 202441 min

110. Delimar Vera

Baby girl Delimar Vera is declared dead in a house fire. Years later, the bereaved mother thinks she recognises her at a party. The girl she thinks is her daughter is called Aaliyah. The woman who has brought her up claims to be Aaliyah’s birth mother. Hosts Amber Haque and Dr Julia Shaw discuss the truth about Delimar Vera’s real fate – and how the research on phantom pregnancy and child abduction help us understand what happened and why. Producers: Maggie Latham and Rachel Oakes Executive Prod...

Sep 12, 202445 min

109. Out of Character Criminal

A law abiding businessman turns criminal after medical treatment. Are hormones to blame? Richard Davis was a 42 year old asexual with a highly successful business and no criminal record. Then he experienced a sudden change of personality. He became sex-obsessed - buying pornography and hiring escorts. Within two years of this personality change, he had convictions for assault and dishonesty and was banned from being a company director. Journalist Amber Haque digs into the newspaper and court arc...

Sep 05, 202443 min

108. I was Tinder Swindled

Presenters Dr Julia Shaw and Amber Haque meet the world's most famous victim of romance fraud: Cecilie Fjellhoy. After exposing the so-called Tindler Swindler in a Netflix hit, Cecilie confronted him in person and set up a campaign to help other victims. Cecilie's life changed radically after she swiped right on the Tinder profile of Simon Leviev. He took her on a private jet on their first date, told her he was the son of a billionaire diamond dealer and seemed to live a jet set life. But thoug...

Aug 29, 202458 min

107. Gatwick Blackmailer

In TV dramas, criminal profilers solve crimes that the police cannot. Presenters Dr Julia Shaw and Amber Haque look at a real life case. An anonymous blackmailer threatens acid attacks unless his demands for pornographic photos of female airline staff at Gatwick are met. The police are stumped. So, they call in a professor of criminal psychology. What he says astounds them. Further information: Julia refers in this episode to the following study: Analysing criminal profiling validity: Underlying...

Aug 21, 202454 min

106. The Pyjama Killer

Bad People is back! Criminal psychologist, Dr Julia Shaw, is joined by a new co-host: journalist and documentary maker Amber Haque. The new season starts with a true crime story that went viral during lockdown. Penny Jackson looked as if she was living the middle class retirement dream. Holidays and a retirement home by the sea. But cooped up with her husband during lockdown, her anger got out of control. After a petty row about food she stabbed her husband to death. When police arrested for mur...

Aug 15, 202452 min

Bad People is back!

Bad People is back! Criminal psychologist Dr Julia Shaw makes a return to the series with a new co-host: journalist Amber Haque. Each episode tells the story of a true crime and explains why people do bad things. Murder, blackmail, fraud and much more. Listen every Thursday. Bad People is a BBC Studios Audio production for BBC Sounds.

Aug 08, 20244 min

105. Dark Arts 2: Can we prevent campaigns of vilification?

It’s the Bad People finale. In this last ever episode, Julia and Sofie dig into the ethics of the media covering criminal cases. After a press “campaign of vilification”, all charges against Christopher Jefferies were dismissed. The tabloids had incorrectly painted him as Joanna Yeates’ killer. Mr Jefferies took the newspapers responsible to court - and won. He then gave evidence during the Leveson Inquiry, the UK’s landmark investigation into wrongdoing and alleged corruption within the media. ...

Jun 29, 202343 min

104. Dark Arts 1: How biasing is pre-trial publicity?

In December 2010, the UK media became fixated with the disappearance of 25 year-old Joanna Yeates. When her body was discovered, many tabloid newspapers felt certain they knew the identity of her murderer. Christopher Jefferies had been Joanna’s landlord and was considered by some to be “strange”. The claims against Christopher were unfounded. Being hounded by the press left lasting reputational and psychological scars. In this episode of Bad People, Dr Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen ask: is it poss...

Jun 22, 202337 min

103. Bad People x People Who Knew Me

Daniella Isaacs, the creator of the new BBC Sounds audio drama, People Who Knew Me, joins Dr Julia Shaw in a conversation about faking one’s own death and using the terrorist attacks in America on September 11th 2001 to do so. We ask, who fakes their own death and why? And how easy is it to pull it off? Warning: This episode contains references to the 9/11 attacks and also suicide and drowning. CREDITS Presenter: Dr Julia Shaw Producer: Simona Rata Assistant Producer: Hannah Ward Editors: Anna L...

Jun 15, 202333 min

102. Paedophile Hunters: Do vigilantes help or harm justice?

Convicted child sex offender Mark Sutherland has arranged to meet a 13 year-old boy at a bus station, but when he arrives a team of adult “paedophile hunters” greet him with a video camera. In this episode of Bad People, hosts Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen explore vigilante justice. What right, if any, do these “hunters” have to track down sex offenders? When text messaging, do people have a right to privacy? And do sex offender registries make us safer or just more scared? CREDITS Presenters: Dr J...

May 25, 202339 min

101. Thalaikoothal: What is extreme elder abuse?

In 2010 Pramila Krishnan, a journalist for the Deccan Chronicle, filed a story about a little-known practice called Thalaikoothal. The story was huge in India and lead to the filming of the 2020 Tamil-language film Baaram, which translates as The Burden. In this episode of Bad People, Sofie Hagen and Dr Julia Shaw discuss senicide, the killing of older adults. At what point is someone “old” and how does frailty fit into it? At what age, if any, should we want to die? And how prevalent is elder a...

May 18, 202345 min

100. Tough Love: How should we help troubled teens?

It’s 2001 and 14-year-old Anthony Haynes has died. He was one of some 50 kids who participated in a military-style, wilderness programme that was supposed to give troubled teens a new start. Hailed at the time as a local legend among parents struggling with their children, Anthony’s mother had enrolled him after a spell of behavioural problems. Yet, the wilderness therapy Anthony experienced consisted of drill instructions and desert isolation- the sort of ‘tough love’ rife within America’s Trou...

May 11, 202338 min

99. Central Park Jogger 2: How should we interview children?

The Central Park Five confess on video to police and appear on every front page in America. But why did they confess if it’s not true? In this second episode of this two parter, Bad People hosts Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen explore how the police interview children. Should they be treated the same as adults? Or is there a better way to extract their testimony? CREDITS Presenters: Dr Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen Producer: Lauren Armstrong-Carter Assistant Producer: Hannah Ward Editors: Anna Lacey and...

May 04, 202344 min

98. Central Park Jogger 1: Do you know your right to silence?

It’s 9pm in New York City. More than thirty young men have gathered on the corner of 110th Street and 5th Avenue. They are attacking innocent people in Central Park. What they don’t know is that a woman will also be sexually assaulted, and that five of their friends will be convicted for a brutal crime they didn’t commit. The Central Park Five falsely confess on video to police. In this episode of Bad People, hosts Dr Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen explore how well we know our right to silence, how ...

Apr 27, 202337 min

97. Belt Selfie: Why don’t people kill their friends?

In 2015 a woman in Saskatoon was strangled by a belt. Did her friend do it? She has been strangled by a belt that lies next to her body - the same belt her best friend was wearing in a photograph of the two of them that was posted on Facebook earlier that evening. What can really be learned by what we choose to post online? And what might cause a friendship to take a violent turn? On this episode of Bad People, Dr Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen explore the psychology of “breaking up” with friends, t...

Apr 20, 202339 min
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