170: Cherry First Amendment, with Krystal Ball

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[SPEAKER_13]: Hello everybody and happy new year and welcome to bed has barra fresh and most moral for twenty twenty six you suckers hell yeah my name is Matt leave I will be your most moral co-host for this year [SPEAKER_13]: Whoa, a year is a long time. [SPEAKER_13]: I know, I don't know why I'm starting off the year by committing to another year this shit. [SPEAKER_04]: Good God. [SPEAKER_04]: My name's Daniel Mate, and in the now, in the now, let's stay present.

[SPEAKER_04]: In this moment, which is all that we have, I am your other most moral co-host. [SPEAKER_04]: That's right. [SPEAKER_04]: The world's most moral podcast. [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, we are so excited to have y'all hear for another year of just the worst news you've ever heard and occasionally a funny AI video. [SPEAKER_13]: Thank you to everyone who has continued to watch, liked, subscribed.

[SPEAKER_13]: Thank you to all of our patrons who are not [SPEAKER_13]: you know, screaming at us in the in the private chat where in the DMs about the fact that we took two weeks off to have a little a little break. [SPEAKER_04]: It's so they're shrieking for joy. [SPEAKER_04]: They love sharing and sharing alike. [SPEAKER_13]: I love that. [SPEAKER_04]: They love that we released three Patreon. [SPEAKER_04]: I know to the public. [SPEAKER_13]: They were happy about it.

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[SPEAKER_13]: It's not cook if you're poly, I guess. [SPEAKER_13]: A lot of people come across things in the poly scene. [SPEAKER_13]: That's true. [SPEAKER_13]: All sorts of things good and bad. [SPEAKER_13]: A shout out to producer Adam Levin. [SPEAKER_13]: He is here with us on the ones and choose as always in.

[SPEAKER_13]: the lower thirds talk and trash about the very podcast he produces uh and i love it uh yeah give us five stars and review you know the the drill um thank you forget getting us past the 50k mark yeah where to finally i can't believe it 50.2 i think [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, nothing, um, nothing is changed with me emotionally because of this information. [SPEAKER_13]: I feel the same, which is unfortunate. [SPEAKER_13]: I thought it would fix things.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It is irrelevant. [SPEAKER_04]: No, because Zionism is ended and You know what I love broken out. [SPEAKER_13]: You know what I love about the spotcast concept evergreen evergreen [SPEAKER_13]: Have a great day. [SPEAKER_13]: Today's episode is brought to you by Gazafunz.com. [SPEAKER_13]: Gazafunz.com is a rotating carousel of crowdfunding campaigns from individuals and families in Gaza raising money for rebuilding, resettlement, medical and other personal expenses.

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[SPEAKER_13]: It is worth more than getting an extra episode of the world's stupidest podcast every week. [SPEAKER_13]: but you should also get the world's stupidest podcast every week. [SPEAKER_04]: Daniel, New Year, New Jew, what's the spin? [SPEAKER_04]: Wow man, it's been a couple of weeks since we did this. [SPEAKER_04]: So I apologize, I got a bit of a stack here. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go, no, I'm going to go super quick. [SPEAKER_04]: But it is the new year.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I did, I started with songs themed around the new year. [SPEAKER_04]: The breeder's last flash starts with a song called New Year. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: I got an album by the queer disco legend Sylvester. [SPEAKER_04]: Why did I choose Sylvester? [SPEAKER_04]: Because actually in Israel, they call New Year's December 31st. [SPEAKER_04]: Sylvester, I think it's the feast of St. Sylvester.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it's like a Christian in the front, because they can't say Roch Hashanah, because that's, that's right. [SPEAKER_04]: Other songs and albums with years in the title, Summer of 69 by Brian Adams off the album, Reckless, that was Bowie. [SPEAKER_04]: Rush, 21, 12. [SPEAKER_04]: Deltron 30 30. [SPEAKER_13]: Okay. [SPEAKER_13]: Del the funky homosapian. [SPEAKER_13]: These are like years now. [SPEAKER_13]: We're doing here. [SPEAKER_04]: It's never doing years.

[SPEAKER_13]: I like that. [SPEAKER_13]: I like that. [SPEAKER_04]: Talking head 77. [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm. [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_04]: Dr. Dre, 2001. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, 2001. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: I've got Bonthogs in 1999 on the shelf, but that's all. [SPEAKER_04]: But we've already done that one. [SPEAKER_04]: So, in my mind. [SPEAKER_12]: Of course, I'm going to refist the enemy straight to heaven. [SPEAKER_13]: It's the fifth of the month.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: We don't get paid by Patreon. [SPEAKER_04]: 1999 by Prince. [SPEAKER_04]: OK. 1984 by Van Halen. [SPEAKER_04]: OK. [SPEAKER_13]: Does he group any nine by smashing pumpkins at a album, but that's good song. [SPEAKER_04]: No, that's coming. [SPEAKER_04]: It is a group called the 1975 a millennial group that I quite like. [SPEAKER_13]: I know them. [SPEAKER_13]: They're quite good.

[SPEAKER_04]: I know of them, which is this is a brief inquiry into online relationships. [SPEAKER_04]: 1975 the year I was born and I like to spend quite a lot. [SPEAKER_04]: The kids are right. [SPEAKER_04]: And finally, like you said, melancholy in the infinite sadness, [SPEAKER_04]: I love it. [SPEAKER_04]: I love it. [SPEAKER_04]: That's my massive, my fat stack, it'll be less fat next time I pronounce them. [SPEAKER_13]: Hell yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: Keep on spinning in the new year.

[SPEAKER_13]: So those are what's spinning for all of you 20, 20, 6ers out there who are listening. [SPEAKER_13]: I say that because I assume some people will listen in 20, 27 and [SPEAKER_13]: years after. [SPEAKER_13]: Before we get started, introduce our guest. [SPEAKER_13]: We have to do something, a clarification of sorts. [SPEAKER_04]: We don't often do this because we don't, we don't usually hold ourselves to a journalistic standard.

[SPEAKER_04]: We can get away with a lot because we're a comedy podcast. [SPEAKER_04]: But sometimes, yeah, I mean, clarifications and corrections are in order. [SPEAKER_13]: As someone who is an accidental award-winning journalist, as some of you may know, I work for AJ+. [SPEAKER_13]: And we did get an award. [SPEAKER_13]: The, what was it called? [SPEAKER_13]: The society you've perfectly mentioned. [SPEAKER_04]: A lot too. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, no, I mean, I have it.

[SPEAKER_13]: It's like it's it's on my wall behind me somewhere But yes, I'm an award-winning journalist somehow and I need to live up to the standards that are accidentally expected of me So our last episode of that is bar was of course about the Canadian podcaster Jesse Brown and much to my surprise It turns out [SPEAKER_13]: He was listening to the episode and he took Umbridge with some misinformation that I spread.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think he's low key a Patreon member, I think he's got a song for account. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, listen, if he's a Patreon member, I would just encourage him to subscribe for the full year because for the full year not only do you get a discount, but you get a year's worth of wonderful bonus content. [SPEAKER_13]: Anyways, he thought that I had implied [SPEAKER_13]: that he would never be willing to come on bad has barra.

[SPEAKER_13]: I end up, is that because you said that? [SPEAKER_13]: Well, sort of, this is what, this is what was said, right here. [SPEAKER_13]: I'm not entirely against. [SPEAKER_13]: maybe, uh, well, nevermind. [SPEAKER_13]: I was going to say talking to Jesse Brown, but I think he'll want to talk to us after today. [SPEAKER_13]: Um, so that is what I said, uh, I'm not entirely against maybe, uh, well, nevermind.

[SPEAKER_13]: And so what followed after that was a back and forth between Daniel and Jesse in which you were in which he informed us that he was willing to come on and he's on afraid to come on. [SPEAKER_13]: Daniel had clarified that this is a comedy show, not a debate show, and you even offered to have a conversation with Jesse on a different YouTube channel. [SPEAKER_13]: We could talk to him on your YouTube channel or on his show happy to do that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I tried to explain that Matt was being glib because that's all Matt knows how to do. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, Matt Glib, you know, Matt Glib, Matt Glib, exactly, but he essentially ignored that offer instead insisted that we clarify his position and our position. [SPEAKER_04]: I did offer to, I did offer to clarify to be fair. [SPEAKER_04]: I did offer. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, and he took us up on that. [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, he did.

[SPEAKER_13]: He said, and I'm just reading from the final exchange. [SPEAKER_13]: Thanks again for the response. [SPEAKER_13]: I accept your offer to clarify this on your next episode. [SPEAKER_13]: I'm going to do an impression of him. [SPEAKER_13]: I know he doesn't sound like this. [SPEAKER_13]: Jesse, your voice very low, very booming. [SPEAKER_13]: But I'm going to make you sound like this.

[SPEAKER_13]: Specifically, Matt's comment that I probably wouldn't be willing to come on the show after the critical episode about me is what requires clarification. [SPEAKER_13]: I'd like Matt to clarify. [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, sorry. [SPEAKER_13]: This inaccurately suggested that I was asked on the show. [SPEAKER_13]: or would be welcome on the show, if only I would be willing. [SPEAKER_13]: Okay?

[SPEAKER_13]: I'd like Matt to clarify that this was never the case that I am in fact willing to come on the show, but you won't have me on. [SPEAKER_13]: Thanks again for clearing this up. [SPEAKER_13]: It's a basic matter of life. [SPEAKER_04]: Like how he's become wallish on in the princess pride.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And in fact, [SPEAKER_03]: But you invited me on the podcast and in fact, I never said that I would not come on the podcast so therefore And then it passes out and dies.

[SPEAKER_13]: I think it's a basic matter of honesty to your listeners who have been who you have misinformed inconceivable so [SPEAKER_13]: That's what he wrote and so for the more my viewers all the time, I know, I just, I love the basic matter of honesty that what I, when I said, you know, I'm not entirely against that I should clarify that I am mostly against, yeah, but for the sake of journalistic integrity, I will if issue this clarification.

[SPEAKER_13]: If anyone thought that I was implying that Jesse Brown would be too afraid to come on bad as bar, I just want to clarify that in fact, no. [SPEAKER_13]: Jesse Brown is not afraid to speak on a podcast. [SPEAKER_13]: He is no coward. [SPEAKER_13]: He is brave. [SPEAKER_13]: The real cowards. [SPEAKER_13]: are the podcasts who won't book him as a guest. [SPEAKER_13]: The bad has barras, the Joe Rogans, the call your daddies, the Huck-Tewas of the world.

[SPEAKER_13]: Talk to a Jesse Brown, you cowards. [SPEAKER_13]: Now, some may ask, why? [SPEAKER_13]: I will not talk to a Jesse. [SPEAKER_13]: Now, I could say what we've already told them, which is that we'd be happy to talk to him on another channel. [SPEAKER_13]: But this is a comedy podcast and I have a general rule about not booking people who refuse to call this a genocide to kind of fucks up the comedy, the vibes are off. [SPEAKER_13]: But in truth, that's only half true.

[SPEAKER_13]: The full truth is that I'm afraid. [SPEAKER_13]: I'm afraid that Jesse Brown will be too funny. [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, we're talking about a man who once published a podcast called Pretendians, which called out non-indigenous people who falsely claimed indigenous [SPEAKER_13]: and who is now carrying water fullest for state full of pretendens. [SPEAKER_13]: That is too funny. [SPEAKER_13]: We cannot compete with that. [SPEAKER_13]: That level of joke is too good.

[SPEAKER_13]: I am afraid. [SPEAKER_13]: But Jesse. [SPEAKER_13]: Jesse wants us to be absolutely clear. [SPEAKER_13]: He is unafraid to go on podcast. [SPEAKER_13]: A mere mortal might be afraid to sure. [SPEAKER_13]: You know, after two and a half hours, if hearing someone talk shit about you, most people would be shaking and crying, but not Jesse Brown. [SPEAKER_13]: He loves it. [SPEAKER_13]: He earns for it. [SPEAKER_13]: He welcomes a pain. [SPEAKER_13]: He gets off on it.

[SPEAKER_13]: For you's good. [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, you can insult me, Daddy. [SPEAKER_13]: Jesse Brown is not a coward. [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, and I struggle to think of things that Jesse is afraid of other than like obvious things like anti-Semitism or things that aren't anti-Semitism, but if you squint, it could be.

[SPEAKER_13]: He is afraid of things that any person would be afraid of like Hamas or things that feel like Hamas or vaguely Hamas like words like Hamas, student protestors or teacher protestors or

[SPEAKER_13]: parent protesters people talking about Israel people asking him about Israel people asking him again about Israel his own thoughts about Israel people learning his own thoughts about Israel he's afraid of normal stuff like Canadians or Canada land his own staff at Canada land his former staff at Canada land Palestinian human rights calling something a genocide that the entire international human rights community is called a genocide.

[SPEAKER_13]: Arabic, the language, Arabs, the people, Greeks, probably Muslims, spiders, snakes, quicksand, other journalists, Greta Thunberg, Rachel Gilmore, the creeping shadow of death, octopus plushies, octopi, octopusy from James Bond, octomomb, octagon, Dracula's, [SPEAKER_13]: And, of course, speaking to Daniel and I on a different podcast, these are all normal things that everyone is afraid of. [SPEAKER_13]: But coming on bad has bar, nope, never. [SPEAKER_13]: The guy is his tank.

[SPEAKER_13]: So I just want to make sure you all know that it's clear that he's a braveest person we've ever talked to [SPEAKER_04]: Matt, that was stunning and brave. [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for doing that. [SPEAKER_04]: It was very vulnerable for you to admit that the fear of being shown up by him comedically on this podcast. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I do want to reiterate like this is, yeah, this is not a podcast where we bring on people who fundamentally disagree with the moral framework of everything we do here. [SPEAKER_04]: The closest we've ever come was inviting someone who was on the very verge of giving up his [SPEAKER_04]: liberal Zionism forever and ever and he did so within five days of the interview. [SPEAKER_04]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_04]: And even that was a bit of a stretch for us But it was a it was a worthwhile one Yes, I'm so too. [SPEAKER_04]: In the case of someone who's been running interference for the very genocide breter crying We just have nothing to joke about in this space, but I did like you said [SPEAKER_04]: put out an invitation that him and I, or the three of us, either way, because he said he's not afraid of a little two on one. [SPEAKER_04]: He literally said that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Wow. [SPEAKER_04]: You know, could do this somewhere else where it wouldn't distract from the purile idiocy that we're trying to seriously accomplish here. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: And so far,

[SPEAKER_04]: in several email exchanges just he said not one word to say about that invitation I don't heard back I hope he'll hope you respond to the that part of my it's not because he meant which was most of it no I don't think it's because I don't think it's because I think it's it's a different it's a different well look that he demanded satisfaction and I believe he has been great I believe he will be satisfied with this modification I was that was melodionalistic I he listened I they don't call me an accidental award

[SPEAKER_13]: uh... now we got to bring in our guest and i'm so excited about our guest this this next guest needs no introduction uh... i say that is someone who uh... actually watches this uh... show and is watched uh... her on other shows before uh... she is the co-host of breaking points and of crystal-kile and friends ladies and gentlemen and everyone else welcome to the podcast crystal ball [SPEAKER_07]: Hi guys. [SPEAKER_07]: Hey. [SPEAKER_13]: How are you doing? [SPEAKER_07]: I'm good.

[SPEAKER_07]: That was fun. [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks. [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks for hanging in there. [SPEAKER_07]: Hi, Daniel. [SPEAKER_07]: That Sean Wallace impression was pretty impressive. [SPEAKER_04]: I know. [SPEAKER_07]: That was not bad. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's actually my, I'm sending up my little Wallace Sean bat single signal. [SPEAKER_04]: We'd love to have him on here. [SPEAKER_04]: He's done. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, he's been a great advocate.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's me. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, yes, yes, yes. [SPEAKER_04]: Him and Mandy Patinken. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, Mandy now, Mandy now going for it as well. [SPEAKER_13]: I feel, you know, carry L.S. [SPEAKER_13]: or however you pronounce it, where you at dog, let's get all of the princess bride. [SPEAKER_13]: What gives Robin right? [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, you know, actually come to think of it. [SPEAKER_13]: Billy Crystal. [SPEAKER_13]: That would be nice.

[SPEAKER_04]: Have fun storming the separation wall. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: So, Crystal, thank you for coming on. [SPEAKER_13]: Like I said, I've been a fan of you for a while. [SPEAKER_13]: I think it was during the lead-up to the 2020 Democratic primary that I started watching Rising.

[SPEAKER_13]: uh... with uh... with you on it and then uh... after you left rising watching you now on breaking points so big fan love that you're here that's very kind of you yeah that was such a different time felt hopeful watching for any wind of at a feel like hours ago right before the whole world just went insane it was uh... it was such a such a moment of hope and we were just talking about how we [SPEAKER_04]: We only allow a certain bandwidth of disagreement on this show.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, many of our guests disagree with each other, but, you know, not here because it's a comedy show, but you, you know, part of what you've made your bones doing is co-hosting a show, opposite someone who sees the world in some ways pretty fundamentally, differently from you, has that. [SPEAKER_04]: I have to say, I haven't kept abreast of sort of [SPEAKER_04]: evolution on or is positioned towards what's been going on in Israel Palestine. [SPEAKER_04]: But what's that?

[SPEAKER_04]: How has it been navigating those tensions? [SPEAKER_04]: So those differences, which are usually so productive and so much a part of your brand, frankly, and what makes the show valuable in the past couple of years? [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I think it's, I mean, I do think it's one of the things that people like about the show is that, you know, there are certainly moments of the agreement, but there are also moments of like deep philosophical disagreement.

[SPEAKER_07]: Fortunately on Israel, we do look at the world differently, but there is enough sort of a shared understanding of reality. [SPEAKER_07]: that that topic was not so difficult for us to cover together. [SPEAKER_07]: We had our moments because he's very like, you know, he doesn't really believe that international law even should be a thing. [SPEAKER_07]: He comes it much from the more like realist perspective of we just shouldn't have anything to do with this.

[SPEAKER_07]: I come obviously with more of a like, [SPEAKER_07]: international left human rights perspective so we've clashed over that and had that that allowed but overall we're kind of in the same place with regard to Israel and the genocide in Gaza. [SPEAKER_07]: We have had a debate over the specific use of the word genocide but in any case we can put that aside.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think we've had more sort of heated [SPEAKER_07]: Squabbles are just agreements over immigration and with ice and sea cod and those have been some of the probably most tense and most difficult moments on the the show to work through. [SPEAKER_07]: But the reason that it works is that soccer can be persuaded and he does have a fundamental commitment to like facts in reality.

[SPEAKER_07]: So he's not going to be the guy going out there and sharing the, you know, AI, Venezuela, video or like buying into the Hussbara, like he, if he sees that something is inaccurate, he takes that into his world view. [SPEAKER_07]: And so for me, as long as that is the case, you know, then that's someone that you can have a reasonable exchange with. [SPEAKER_07]: I relate to you guys so saying like, we're not having anyone on who doesn't see it as a genocide.

[SPEAKER_07]: I, obviously, in the context of our show, we do have people on who would not have that view, but I am no longer interested in like debating whether it is or whether it isn't. [SPEAKER_07]: I think if you, at this point, are still looking at everything we've seen and you've lived in this world and you've, you know, watched all of the horror unfolding on your feed every day and you're still arguing that this is all fine and good and moral.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like, I just, I don't think there's [SPEAKER_13]: Right. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: At that point, it, you know, to me, it feels like a, uh, just allowing someone to spout out, uh, spout out some denialism that would time better spent with them in a therapist. [SPEAKER_13]: Like that's true. [SPEAKER_13]: Seriously.

[SPEAKER_13]: It comes to a point where when you are so divergent in your worldview or in the view of reality, where in your morality, [SPEAKER_13]: Or in your morality where you need to argue about the semantics of a genocide, then I'm like, I can't help you with this. [SPEAKER_13]: If we can't agree on this as a foundation for a conversation, then you can just deny everything. [SPEAKER_13]: And at that point, what's the point of talking?

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I mean, it works with you in soccer because you're each coming from some first principles that are explicitly stated. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: Like you're each transparent about, this is the, these are the fundamentals of my world view.

[SPEAKER_04]: For him, it's individual liberty in America first or I don't know if you's an American first or but that's certain, you know, focus on what's good for us and, and let's, you know, let's, let's decouple ourselves from [SPEAKER_04]: The welfare state or whatever that okay. [SPEAKER_04]: Those are those are intelligible first principles and you have your first principles, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: And then you can take a look at the world through each of your lenses and see how those two views line up and where they don't If you're debating with a Zionist It's tough because they don't have any first principles except this country is sacrosanct to me right right And whatever then might makes right essentially and Jews are permanent victims. [SPEAKER_04]: They're they're sectarian tribalist first principles and it's not

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not only fun to try and make a show around those kinds of disagreements, so... Yeah, that's exactly right. [SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, as one example, where a week our whole show today was about Venezuela, and you see so many right-wing influencers who five seconds ago were like, oh my god, no more forever wars, no more interventions. [SPEAKER_07]: no more regime change wars. [SPEAKER_07]: And then once daddy Trump does it, then all of a sudden it's like green lands next.

[SPEAKER_07]: Let's go, man. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, base, base, base. [SPEAKER_07]: And you know, that's never like soccer was like, no, I'm opposed to it then. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm opposed to it now. [SPEAKER_07]: I think this is terrible. [SPEAKER_07]: I think there's her to horrendous risk here calling out the people who do change on a dime and have absolutely no principal. [SPEAKER_07]: So [SPEAKER_07]: didn't answer your point about, like, him actually having some first principles.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mean, you can have an engagement. [SPEAKER_07]: You can have a battle of ideas. [SPEAKER_07]: You can cover the news and have a shared reality. [SPEAKER_07]: If you have someone who wants to deal in reality and does have some sort of philosophical grounding that they stick to. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_13]: Speaking of Venezuela, you mentioned something about an AI video, and I don't know exactly you're referring to, but I do have this very real video of people in Venezuela celebrating Maduro's deposition. [SPEAKER_13]: Is this, um, yep, see those are really good? [SPEAKER_09]: Are you in the town of Gallo? [SPEAKER_09]: Finally! [SPEAKER_09]: It's a movie, it's a movie! [SPEAKER_07]: I have a very real emotion on his face. [SPEAKER_13]: How could he deny him?

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: What confuses me about the proliferation of AI videos that you see now is like I understand that there's plenty of hogs out there who will believe anything that they see. [SPEAKER_04]: I wouldn't have even thought AI. [SPEAKER_04]: If you hadn't pointed it out, I'm still very slow on the uptake.

[SPEAKER_13]: Well, I guess that kind of answers my question, which is like, is anyone with a normal brain actually look at that video and get confused, but I suppose I suppose so. [SPEAKER_13]: And that's a bummer. [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, normal is a myth. [SPEAKER_13]: I heard it. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's right. [SPEAKER_13]: You wrote a book about that.

[SPEAKER_13]: I want to ask you crystal about Venezuela because obviously this is the big story going on right now and we of course have a Pigeon hold ourselves into a podcast not about that, but why not just bring it up anyways Regarding Venezuela, have you and Sagar talked about this and and his his positions on it. [SPEAKER_13]: You were saying, you know, he's he's against it.

[SPEAKER_13]: Have you seen [SPEAKER_13]: I guess with other Liberals, I guess he's not a liberal, but when you talk to liberals have you noticed a sort of Change in the attitude of when they talk about this where they say things like he was no angel when it comes to any time Regime, yeah, there's there's always a need for a lot of throw clearing about [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, he's a bad guy. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: You know, you can just leave that aside.

[SPEAKER_07]: And to be honest with you, I really think that comes more from like elected democratic leadership than it does from the base of the party. [SPEAKER_07]: Because one of the things I'm genuinely hopeful about is I think the base of the party has become much more radical. [SPEAKER_07]: I think they see that the status quo approach, the sort of negotiation with fascism. [SPEAKER_07]: I think that they see that that failed.

[SPEAKER_07]: Um, Israel Gaza, I think has been a major moral dividing line where it's just they have no use anymore for Cory Booker being a way pack. [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_07]: Why are you focusing on that? [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know if I can say Netanyahu is a work terminal or Gavin Newsom being like, Oh, you're asking me about a pack. [SPEAKER_07]: That's interesting.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's interesting that you're asking me about a pack, [SPEAKER_07]: Um, they have no patience for that anymore. [SPEAKER_07]: So I think they're looking much more for the unvarnished truth. [SPEAKER_07]: This told by people like Graham Platner, I think has been fantastic. [SPEAKER_07]: I think Rokana's been fantastic.

[SPEAKER_07]: You know, he's a different sort of style, but he's been very straightforward and hasn't needed to do all the throat clearing about like, well, of course he's a bad guy. [SPEAKER_07]: And of course we're happy for Venezuela that he's gone blah, blah, blah. [SPEAKER_04]: It's like we would have been like we would have liked to have been asked. [SPEAKER_04]: You would have liked to have been invited to the cool kids part.

[SPEAKER_07]: He didn't notify us within the appropriate 48 hours. [SPEAKER_07]: So look, we would have been on board with it. [SPEAKER_07]: But you know, you just didn't come. [SPEAKER_04]: They're like, yes, they're like the boss in the office space. [SPEAKER_04]: They sidel up to your desk. [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, um, so yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm going to need you to file the CPS report next time. [SPEAKER_04]: You want to invade a sovereign country. [SPEAKER_04]: abducted.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's it's leader. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so if you could do that, that would be great. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, and I love that the, you know, Republican Party is just like Milton from office space, which is just like I'm just going to shoot up the office. [SPEAKER_13]: I'm going to put a strict nine in the guacamole. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you know, so it's interesting seeing these tools I would like to see them.

[SPEAKER_04]: I would like to see the MAGA base be more like building and excuse me, I'm He was supposed to be it's supposed to be America first and you said America first use it no more for it for it. [SPEAKER_04]: It's not you you promise me and you promise [SPEAKER_13]: I want to ask about that, you know, and I'm sorry for asking about someone else's opinion, but when it comes to saga, one of the things I find interesting about continues. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, the saga continues.

[SPEAKER_13]: But when he talks about Israel, one of the things I like about him is that he does, I think correctly point out that this was a [SPEAKER_13]: campaign, the Trump campaign, and administration that sort of promised, you know, an end to forever wars, or end to regime change. [SPEAKER_13]: They were able to somehow steal that lane from the Democrats.

[SPEAKER_13]: So, he's pointed out, of course, through the actions of Trump actually not being, you know, a dove, but instead being a hawk, that this is inconsistent with this America first world view, [SPEAKER_13]: So what are his thoughts if you know about the fact that now the America firsters, including actual anti-Semites like Nick Fuentes, are being like, actually, yeah, this is, you know, doing this event as well is pretty based actually.

[SPEAKER_13]: This is America first technically, if you think about how we need the oil or whatever. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mean he's he's disgusted by it.

[SPEAKER_07]: He's just that we talked about it on the show today And he was calling out all these people are suddenly like Monroe doctor in the Monroe doctor And you're like you don't even know what you're talking I think you literally don't know what you're talking about and yeah, we can all see your old posts Where you were saying the exact opposite of what you're saying now so somehow they're going with this argument of like oh It's Venezuelas not the Middle East so this is totally different guys this time.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's gonna work out [SPEAKER_04]: Well, but what's so interesting is that very clearly what's interesting is actually there's the people who've been good on the Middle East Have been I mean, I mean, largely Taylor Green statement about Venezuela [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I didn't know that she had a very good statement. [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, okay. [SPEAKER_07]: The only thing I would quote with is, I mean, listen, you take what you can get, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: It's more public-in, like, well, let's be clear. [SPEAKER_07]: But I mean, she does the whole, like, well, if you're really concerned about drugs, maybe we should bomb Mexico. [SPEAKER_07]: I was like, no, no, no, no, okay, I didn't see that. [SPEAKER_07]: But the rest of it was the rest of it was very good. [SPEAKER_06]: I'll quote with you.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I do think, you know, it... [SPEAKER_07]: there are very few on the right that are actually good on Israel and have, you know, aligned with some of the policy that we would like to see who aren't genuinely anti-Semitic and it's like libertarians and then people who have this like principled realist view.

[SPEAKER_07]: So I feel very fortunate to work with one of those people because, you know, I think you, you do see the danger and the allure of the Nick Fuentes types right now who is just like an out-not Neo-Nazi, you know, does not share at our worldview at all, just starts with where I'm a completely different place of this.

[SPEAKER_07]: at an ex-sectarian, like, frankly disgusting world view, but when you have so little space to criticise Israel without being called in anti-Semite, it's no surprise that someone like that is going to rise in popularity because they're saying, look, look, we were right, look, the Jews won't even let you tell the truth about what's going on, you're looking at all the power that they have.

[SPEAKER_07]: And for a lot of people, that's going to ring true to them in this moment, and it's, you know, that's one of the things that is deeply disturbing to me and that I've had to really think about how do you deal with that when the term anti-Semitism has been so like chief and just, you know, you just, you say it and you already feel ridiculous because it just gets thrown around so much for such ridiculous things. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: And I love it when my community works hard to live up to [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_07]: It is. [SPEAKER_07]: It is. [SPEAKER_07]: It is. [SPEAKER_07]: It is. [SPEAKER_07]: It is. [SPEAKER_07]: It is. [SPEAKER_07]: It is. [SPEAKER_07]: It is. [SPEAKER_07]: It is. [SPEAKER_07]: It is. [SPEAKER_07]: It is. [SPEAKER_13]: It is. [SPEAKER_13]: It is. [SPEAKER_13]: It is. [SPEAKER_13]: It is. [SPEAKER_13]: It is. [SPEAKER_13]: It is. [SPEAKER_04]: It is.

[SPEAKER_04]: It is. [SPEAKER_04]: It is. [SPEAKER_04]: It is. [SPEAKER_04]: pulled punches and, you know, we know we have mutual friends and colleagues who have paid with their jobs. [SPEAKER_04]: You know, Brianna Joy-Gray lost her job at rising over an I-Roll. [SPEAKER_04]: What's it been like for you and, you know, in your [SPEAKER_04]: ad hoc role as a counter has barrest. [SPEAKER_04]: Did you ever see this?

[SPEAKER_04]: Did your own reaction, the force of your reaction, your own willingness to step out on this, surprise you at all? [SPEAKER_04]: Is this a role you ever saw yourself in? [SPEAKER_04]: And what have you dealt with? [SPEAKER_04]: Can you give us some lowlights or highlights in terms of what you've had to face in the past couple of years? [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I'm in a very fortunate position because no one can fire me, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: So, not to say I can't be canceled, like we rely on Spotify, putting on our podcast and Apple and YouTube. [SPEAKER_07]: And so you do have those worries. [SPEAKER_07]: We also have faced, I don't know if we've said this publicly, but I'll tell you guys, I'm GHF threatened to sue us. [SPEAKER_13]: And, you know, you have to take those things seriously, because- Yeah, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, the fake humanitarian foundation that was set up.

[SPEAKER_13]: If they really wanted, if they really wanted to scare you, and shot a bunch of people looking to get food. [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly, I was going to say, if GHF really wanted to scare you, they threatened to cook you a meal. [SPEAKER_07]: like, just come over for dinner. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, wait a second. [SPEAKER_13]: The real note is inviting you to a restaurant.

[SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, I mean, you have to take seriously because they have, you know, official US government bag official is rarely get backing even though they tried to act like they're this independent entity. [SPEAKER_07]: Now they basically don't exist anymore, so I think we dodged that bullet, but, um, literally, I guess. [SPEAKER_07]: But, um, but, you know, that, [SPEAKER_07]: For me, I feel like I can't imagine having done anything differently, you know? [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, what?

[SPEAKER_07]: You've got people who are being murdered in their houses and their children starve to death, and I can't tell the truth about what I see happening. [SPEAKER_07]: I wouldn't live with myself.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think the... [SPEAKER_07]: Two most difficult things for me on a day-to-day basis, and again, this is like nothing in the grand scheme of the world and the struggles of people, I think everybody takes that for granted, but for one thing my nature is to be very like, you know, the teachers pet a student, so the liberal line of like, well, it's complicated and you just understand. [SPEAKER_07]: Just don't understand.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's a hard one for me because I'm like, well, maybe I don't know every, maybe I need to read 10 more books. [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe there's something I'm missing here. [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe I, you know, I need to know all the history and I need to know what was said in this year in that year. [SPEAKER_07]: And so, I mean, I did, I did really make a concerted effort to educate myself as much as possible.

[SPEAKER_07]: But like, you know, I'm never going to be as expert as a normal thinkl scene or someone who's really just been steeped in this for their whole lives and, you know, [SPEAKER_07]: I had to give myself permission to not know everything and still be able to take a moral stance. [SPEAKER_07]: So that was one piece that was difficult for me. [SPEAKER_07]: And then, you know, I think just the that sense of, okay, there are powerful people who don't like what we're doing.

[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, that does, it does weigh on you to a certain extent. [SPEAKER_07]: And then just the, the [SPEAKER_07]: sense of responsibility to know all the ins and the ounce of the horror every day. [SPEAKER_07]: Also, just does, I mean, it does take a toll. [SPEAKER_07]: It's, you guys, it's a, it's a difficult thing. [SPEAKER_07]: And like, I hate to even say it because again, it's so trivial in the grand scheme of things, but it definitely, you know, it was, it was a dark year.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's been a dark, you know, more than two years at this point, and it continues to be. [SPEAKER_07]: incredibly dark and you know in a sense almost darker now that the world is turning their eyes away it seems like you know I don't know it seems like the project and the hope that was there at some point of like we've got this resistance we've got these protests maybe something's gonna be different it's very hard to hold on to that at this point.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: No, I completely feel that, you know, a very deep level. [SPEAKER_13]: I think for me, the thing that I hold on to is the fact that I am seeing Israel, or at least, you know, what Israel has been doing, the genocide they've been perpetrating on the Palestinians, [SPEAKER_13]: now is so prominent in the, you know, public discourse. [SPEAKER_13]: It's now something that we all know that it's almost people's foray into anti-imperialist thought.

[SPEAKER_13]: And so now, you know, when I see people, [SPEAKER_13]: taking Venezuela, for example, and making the connection between imperialism, the imperialism of America going out and being like, we own this country and saying that that is connected in the exact same way as Israel saying, well, we own the Palestinians and they're, you know, we're going to run it for them.

[SPEAKER_13]: It's the one hope that I have is that they may have accidentally made Americans by in large more and more anti-imperialists, which I think, hopefully, in the long term, we'll have [SPEAKER_04]: some, I don't know, good manifestations, but you know what you're saying Matt, I woke up this morning at a hotel in Hershey, Pennsylvania. [SPEAKER_04]: I was on a road trip coming back from, I went to the Appalachian. [SPEAKER_13]: From the chocolate factory. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, exactly.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was driving the Hershey highway, so to speak. [SPEAKER_04]: On the television in the breakfast room, forget I said that in the breakfast room, the television was on the morning news show. [SPEAKER_04]: I left at about 645 to get home in time to podcast and rest up a little bit. [SPEAKER_04]: And there was a news item, the first story and it was on ABC news. [SPEAKER_04]: ABC local news, but first thing was about Venezuela with some quotes from Trump.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then a local story said, you know, filmed in Harrisburg, which I believe is Pennsylvania's capital. [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, I don't know. [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, of people on the street, just protesting.

[SPEAKER_04]: And holding signs that say down with US imperialism, and very intelligent people being interviewed, and connecting the dots exactly as you're saying about speaking very intelligently, speaking as if they had taken, [SPEAKER_04]: Noam Chomsky's self-applied course in intellectual self-defense that he always advocated American should take.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: And I couldn't remember a time in the past 20 or 30 years where there was a spontaneous immediate [SPEAKER_04]: woke in the real sense of the term woke as in a wake and a wear reaction that that demands to be covered by the mainstream media, you know, it's like since the war on terrorist started, that is either non-existent or just invisibilized. [SPEAKER_04]: And yet it was there. [SPEAKER_04]: It was right there on the news in front of me.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I, there was a kind of uncanny experience of like, oh, our, our Americans seeing through this. [SPEAKER_04]: And there are they, are they at this point way ahead of their elected leaders, including the most so-called progressive among them. [SPEAKER_07]: you know, I absolutely think that that is the case. [SPEAKER_07]: At least, I mean, you know, with young people, certainly, with the Democratic Party base, absolutely.

[SPEAKER_07]: You know, one thing that was striking to me is we've got some like snap poles now of how people feel about the Venezuela attack and kidnapping of Maduro. [SPEAKER_07]: And [SPEAKER_07]: The Washington Post won had it basically split, like 40 percent, yes, 40 percent known, the Russ, like, I'm not sure. [SPEAKER_07]: And that is actually kind of amazing, given how much Americans usually fall overwhelmingly for the initial pro-war propaganda.

[SPEAKER_07]: How walled a wall, the, you know, all of the cable nets were all in on it. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh my god, our glorious military and was this an incredible operation, blah, blah, blah, and our day amazing, et cetera. [SPEAKER_07]: And so [SPEAKER_07]: propaganda, war propaganda, walled wall, and for people still to be like, I don't think so. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, that's very different. [SPEAKER_07]: That is definitely different from, I think, any time in our lifetimes.

[SPEAKER_04]: Do you think that's because the narcoterrorism thing just doesn't get people as animated as like weapons of mass destruction? [SPEAKER_04]: Are they being like, what are they trying to go like, they're propaganda now, you know? [SPEAKER_04]: They're trying to cut off my cocaine supply. [SPEAKER_04]: What? [SPEAKER_07]: Is it like, like, the machine gun part was the funniest part to be like, [SPEAKER_13]: It was a violation of a U.S. law where it couldn't have a machine gun.

[SPEAKER_13]: I was like, we have a law for that first of all, and second of all. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: And they enforce it in Venezuela. [SPEAKER_07]: Why can't we? [SPEAKER_07]: What? [SPEAKER_04]: I love doing goofy dances, too. [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, that was the real crime. [SPEAKER_07]: No, we've downgraded from WMD to I think he had a machine gun. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Here we are with the propelled.

[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, yeah, there's the learnings that the American people have taken over the past number of years and Israel Gaza being a very important part of that, you know, quote, unquote, heightening the contradictions I guess and really destroying this idea.

[SPEAKER_07]: that America's some moral force know oh we're in for democracy for human rights like who could say that with the street face at this point and in fact Trump doesn't even try to say that You know, he just comes on yeah, we're gonna take their oil.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's what we're in it for our own self interest You know pulsing or is gonna benefit so we're gonna go in enjoy dying and waging war on behalf of pulsing or getting more billions Did you have the press conference for Rubio and Trump are standing next to each other and Rubio says [SPEAKER_04]: We gave him a chance to negotiate. [SPEAKER_04]: He would not negotiate. [SPEAKER_04]: And Trump just leans into the microphone and is like, he wanted to negotiate.

[SPEAKER_04]: He wanted to negotiate. [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't want to go to share with him. [SPEAKER_04]: And I want to, I wanted to kidnap him. [SPEAKER_13]: It's crazy. [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, it's like you're watching someone who is, [SPEAKER_13]: completely immune to prosecution. [SPEAKER_13]: You're watching someone who understands that there's there is no line that a lawyer can give him that he actually needs to say because laws don't mean anything.

[SPEAKER_13]: So, you know, it is it's almost refreshing as opposed to seeing the sort of liberal hand-ringing of like, well, sure Maduro needed to be taken out of course he did, but in this way it just feels illegal. [SPEAKER_13]: I'd much rather, you know, deal with a person who is just so immune to prosecution that he's honest, you know, I thought a lot about that. [SPEAKER_07]: I actually disagree.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think that's how it lands with the public as like, oh, at least he's just being honest that they just want the oil, but the hypocrisy creates a political tool.

[SPEAKER_07]: because when politicians can be shamed, you know, you can demonstrate, like, no, actually, this isn't about human rights and democracy, and it's a useful political constraint, whereas if you can get away with what they got away with with a complete genocide, not that cleansing in Gaza, [SPEAKER_07]: And they're like, we can do anything. [SPEAKER_07]: And we don't even have to pretend. [SPEAKER_13]: So, you know, I agree it's worse. [SPEAKER_13]: I agree it's worse.

[SPEAKER_13]: I think what I'm coming from this place. [SPEAKER_07]: It's less muting and annoying. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, and a place of covering propagandists, you know, covering people who carry water, liberals especially for things that they can't justify, but are scrambling to justify. [SPEAKER_13]: and watching someone just say what's actually happening. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, he kind of puts a sound of a job, right? [SPEAKER_07]: It gives me a break, it's a very least.

[SPEAKER_04]: I would much rather. [SPEAKER_07]: Man, he's telling you. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I would rather watch a monster do monstrous things than watch an Android pretend to be human. [SPEAKER_04]: You know, like someone like Korean Jean Pierre or Joe Biden or, you know, that the [SPEAKER_04]: the apologetics and the, and the callousness in that. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, whatever, we've had this conversation a million times.

[SPEAKER_07]: But one thing I wanted to make a parallel though with is, you know, I think people now understand they understand the power of the Israel lobby, they understand that there are myriad of adolescents whose number one priority is like whatever Israel wants Israel gets. [SPEAKER_07]: that they have a lot of sway and influence both because of their proximity to the president, and the Democratic Party as well, and all of that. [SPEAKER_04]: Why can't Jews have agency crystal?

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, sure, what's wrong with that? [SPEAKER_04]: We want things. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, well, I mean, you know, I guess you're allowed to. [SPEAKER_07]: If we'd be better, if we didn't have this particular system, but in any case, there is a parallel structure for these like, you know, South Florida, Miocons, who are [SPEAKER_07]: incredibly influential in this administration. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, Marco Rubio has like 10 different titles.

[SPEAKER_07]: You've got Susie Wells is also a Florida person. [SPEAKER_07]: There's a number of this like Florida contingent. [SPEAKER_07]: Soccer calls it a Miami occupied government. [SPEAKER_07]: Um, which I think is pretty good. [SPEAKER_07]: And they're, yeah, and they're big donors. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I've mentioned Paul Singer. [SPEAKER_07]: Like Paul Singer is this mega donor billionaire.

[SPEAKER_07]: who now his one of his companies owns Siko, which we stole from Venezuela, and he stands to benefit to the tune of, I don't know how much money, from us, you know, this attack on Venezuela and kidnapping Maduro. [SPEAKER_07]: like he stands to directly benefit. [SPEAKER_07]: So in any case, you know, there's a similar array of money and power when it comes to Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua, really any left-wing government in Latin America.

[SPEAKER_07]: And so sometimes I think when people look at actions with regard to Israel and feel like, okay, well, this is not rational. [SPEAKER_07]: It doesn't serve American interests. [SPEAKER_07]: They go, oh, well, the Israel lobby. [SPEAKER_07]: And they need to think of this in the same way.

[SPEAKER_07]: where you can look at it and actually like that doesn't even make sense to me like why are you doing this is that oil thing doesn't even really fully add up because the infrastructure is all screwed up and the price per barrel and whatever you have to understand that they're incredibly powerful and deeply ideological interests that are constantly pushing in this direction which is also why you have some level of like bipartisan complicity I mean a large level by partisan complicity in this direction yeah yeah chroniism writ as large as you can

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: And it's almost like this is more digestible. [SPEAKER_13]: So the hope is that people can make this analysis on their own just by looking at it. [SPEAKER_13]: As opposed to, you know, when it comes to Israel and Israel lobby, it can be a little bit less digestible to people because they have to [SPEAKER_13]: you know, the why of it might be confusing.

[SPEAKER_13]: Where's the why of, like, why would United Fruit Company want to out the elected Democratic leader of Guatemala? [SPEAKER_13]: That is very simple to people. [SPEAKER_13]: So the hope is that this will also be as simple and that's understanding it.

[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, beyond the frickin' [SPEAKER_13]: I think the drug trafficking thing, one of the reasons that's not sticking, why, you know, we're fighting narcoterrorism is because Americans buy in large blame addicts for their own death. [SPEAKER_13]: And so I think that they are, you know, looking at this, you know, a lot of them have enough analysis to blame the sacklers and farm a companies for, for their role in the opioid crisis.

[SPEAKER_13]: But in general, [SPEAKER_13]: not kind when it comes to addiction, so this is one of those rare cases where that might end up being having at least one good effect, which is they don't buy the bullshit about narcoterrorism.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's an interesting point and I have noted that the like the Trump regime analysis in this is almost has like a leftist flavor to it of like, you know, completely absolving, you know, treating addiction as the DC like, oh, they had nothing to do with it. [SPEAKER_07]: It's all these drug dealers pushing, but, you know, obviously, fall short when it comes to the settlers who are, you know, basically slap on the wrist, you know, I don't know if you guys saw, go ahead.

[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, and Honduras, there was the Narco, I believe it was the leader of Honduras who was recently pardoned by Trump. [SPEAKER_07]: Yes. [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, Juan Orlando Hernandez, who was actually in our co-terror. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, the term Narco Ter. [SPEAKER_07]: We got to not use this term because this is just a made-up, invented bullshit thing. [SPEAKER_07]: Like, Kyle was like, what they're going to do terrorism on behalf of cocaine.

[SPEAKER_07]: What are we talking about here? [SPEAKER_07]: Look, this is not a thing. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, but the word terrorism itself was bullshit from the start. [SPEAKER_07]: 100% and never more clear than us, you know, closing up to the former terrorists who's not the head of Syria and like, hey, sure, he's good to go. [SPEAKER_13]: Had a tough pass, but he's gonna fly a needle directly with a world trade center and get it right. [SPEAKER_07]: Wait, yeah, but anyway, that's it.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're not going to get off that stuff. [SPEAKER_07]: That's the thing. [SPEAKER_07]: Mr. Vane. [SPEAKER_07]: But do you're talking about he legitimately was and convicted a drug trafficker? [SPEAKER_07]: No. [SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, he, though, allowed this weird Peter Teele aligned Prospera Crypto Libertarian, like... [SPEAKER_07]: feudal city to be built in Honduras.

[SPEAKER_07]: And when a new, you know, more left-wing government came and they were like, we don't want to just seed our sovereign territory to these tech all-agarchs freaks and weirdos. [SPEAKER_07]: And so that's, you know, so they're stand-alues money and also this is part of a ideological project for them. [SPEAKER_07]: So I think that's part of why he's ultimately part.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I mean, the other thing I think that people just feel like with this, so we're going to bomb boats and we're [SPEAKER_07]: And we're going to take out Maduro whatever is does anyone really think that bombing anywhere is going to actually stop the flow of drugs like I just don't think people are naive enough to believe it. [SPEAKER_07]: This we've been fighting the war on drugs for how many decades has the drug flow ever slowed down.

[SPEAKER_07]: Not to mention, you can talk to Seth Harp, who wrote the great book about the Fort Brad cartel. [SPEAKER_06]: Yes. [SPEAKER_07]: How literally the special forces that are involved in taking out Modura are some of the same guys who are like deeply implicated and some of the drug trafficking into this country. [SPEAKER_07]: So, in any case, I just don't think that people believe that this is actually going to change anything in terms of addiction crisis.

[SPEAKER_07]: They don't buy it. [SPEAKER_07]: And I mean, it's not like this administration has a lot of credibility with the most of the American public outside of their own face at this point. [SPEAKER_13]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_04]: You guys are both making some some decent points, but I'm not finding it as persuasive as the the clip of John Krasinski You know lecturing do doing his version of the newsroom lecturing a bunch of college students about why [SPEAKER_04]: That is way less than number one threat is the low key, the most underrated threat to the free world and why we need to go. [SPEAKER_13]: Shout out to John Krasinski playing Jack Ryan. [SPEAKER_13]: We all love us some CIA written television.

[SPEAKER_07]: Is there any other kind? [SPEAKER_13]: Is there any other kind? [SPEAKER_13]: I only watch CIA predictions. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, a proof of predictions. [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, exactly. [SPEAKER_13]: Um, but moving on, uh, we do need to take a quick commercial break, but when we come back, we will be talking about Zoron. [SPEAKER_13]: Mamdeni, he is, uh, mayor now, and we need to talk about how that is problematic. [SPEAKER_13]: But first, some ads, everybody listen to them.

[SPEAKER_13]: If they're for ice, again, don't join, and you can skip, you're allowed. [SPEAKER_13]: We'll be right back. [SPEAKER_13]: And we're back this baddest bar of the world's most moral podcast here. [SPEAKER_13]: Once again, with Crystal Ball, how you doing, Crystal? [SPEAKER_07]: Doing well. [SPEAKER_13]: Hell yeah, um, how are you feeling about the upcoming or now current, um, I'm Dony and Caliphate happening in New York. [SPEAKER_13]: Now if you're not in New York, that's right.

[SPEAKER_13]: She's in DC. [SPEAKER_04]: She wants to see us fall apart up here in New York. [SPEAKER_04]: That's right. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I'm I'm a former New Yorker though, and I it's honestly to be honest, it's making me very nostalgic or New York. [SPEAKER_07]: I have a lot of, uh, of New York envy right now. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, same. [SPEAKER_13]: Same.

[SPEAKER_13]: I live in L.A. Everything sucks here and it's nice that New York is, you know, having a moment and people are freaking out about it. [SPEAKER_13]: So today we're going to be talking about how Zauron, the now mayor of New York City. [SPEAKER_13]: He is already reportedly implementing his pogroms against former Mayor Adam's legacy. [SPEAKER_13]: He's canceled all of his executive orders after the date in which he was federally indicted.

[SPEAKER_13]: And of those executive orders, three are specifically coming under attack by the institutional Jewish community of New York for signs of anti-Semitism. [SPEAKER_13]: So the three that they are mad about are... [SPEAKER_13]: One is the adoption of the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism that was revoked. [SPEAKER_13]: The ban on Israel boycott slash divestment that was revoked and also the ban on protests happening near places of worship that was revoked.

[SPEAKER_13]: He also, by the way, [SPEAKER_13]: revoked revoked an executive order banning or strong carriages from the city. [SPEAKER_13]: So I guess so those are back and he also revoked the executive order. [SPEAKER_13]: Some people mad. [SPEAKER_13]: A lot of very passionate about getting getting rid of those. [SPEAKER_13]: As someone who's not a New Yorker, I'm kind of like based when it comes to him on revoke, like on banning that, like, don't you want more horses?

[SPEAKER_13]: I want more horses. [SPEAKER_07]: Apparently, I actually, when I lived in New York, I covered this issue. [SPEAKER_07]: There's, it's that the animals are, [SPEAKER_07]: It's bad for them, basically. [SPEAKER_07]: It's bad for the horses, so that's why there's always a, yeah, the horses, Adam's right, the horses are very badly abused as part of it. [SPEAKER_07]: So that's been a push. [SPEAKER_07]: I can see him putting that one back. [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_13]: I like to believe that they like it. [SPEAKER_13]: What was it? [SPEAKER_07]: Let's just go with that, sure. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, of course it's like it. [SPEAKER_13]: Again, all nine of these orders that were revoked were all revoked specifically for happening after the date in which Adams was federally indicted. [SPEAKER_13]: So this was just a sweeping revocation of these executive orders after that date.

[SPEAKER_13]: uh... because he also revoked uh... the executive order that created the office of rodent mitigation uh... to fix the uh... new york's rat problem which was an initiative backed by the jenavis again being a locasi colombob and banana families i assume [SPEAKER_13]: We don't like rats and it just gets stitches. [SPEAKER_13]: But the headlines have mainly been about Mondani's Revocation of the IHRA adoption and the AntibDS orders.

[SPEAKER_13]: And here is a little bit of local news explaining this. [SPEAKER_13]: Once again, seeing local news that doesn't make me sad, like there's all play the clip. [SPEAKER_13]: And this is just an honest telling of news. [SPEAKER_13]: Here we go. [SPEAKER_00]: Pro-Israel groups are slamming Mayor Madani for revoking two executive orders by former mayor Adams meant to support Israel. [SPEAKER_00]: One of them barred city agencies from boycotting or divesting from Israel.

[SPEAKER_00]: The other, adopted the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of anti-Semitism. [SPEAKER_00]: It equates some forms of anti-Israel criticism with anti-Semitism. [SPEAKER_00]: Now these executive orders are two of nine that Mom Donnie revoked because they came after Adam's was indicted on federal corruption charges. [SPEAKER_13]: So, I mean, first of all, I loved that that news item started with pro-Israel groups or slamming.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: Usually, you don't see that kind of situation. [SPEAKER_13]: I think Jewish groups. [SPEAKER_13]: They would say Jewish groups, Jewish institutions, [SPEAKER_13]: groups that are dedicated to fighting anti-Semitism, our slamming, you know, but instead pro Israel, which is very important as a distinction, and I also appreciated that report because it clarified for me that IHRA stands for International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance.

[SPEAKER_04]: I thought I had something to do with either human rights or human resources. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's like international human resources, yeah, because it is an HR thing. [SPEAKER_07]: That's true. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, it doesn't like some sense. [SPEAKER_07]: I see. [SPEAKER_07]: I see how you got there.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, and it's interesting that Maldani, the wrath that he's been facing is, of course, being overblown and it is being framed by [SPEAKER_13]: you know, Twitter and anyone on social media, all of the usual suspects that we cover on the show that has bars who are all saying, wow, you've pissed off every single Jew in New York with this.

[SPEAKER_13]: He has been, you know, facing the wrath of a bunch of the Jewish institutional community who, at this point, we've covered on this show extensively, have pivoted to just [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry, I can't let you get away with that. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_04]: Saying the phrase Jewish institutions or Jewish institutional community is a bloodlabel. [SPEAKER_13]: That's right, I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_13]: I'll go back to the Zionist organized government institutions that we That we cover that we live under. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, happily So the master's yes, the octopus holding globe type thing that you know Forget well, I'll have to ask the inter-international Puppets actually was about the ADL [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, didn't know that, but yeah, it just aren't also deleted some tweets and a lot of these institutions were slamming him for that.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he was deleting New York City Mayor account tweets. [SPEAKER_04]: That's right, which is good because otherwise it's very confusing. [SPEAKER_04]: You look at it because now his his handle or his his name, his his username is now at the top of that same account. [SPEAKER_13]: And when you, I'm a correct that when you go back and look at, yes, it would say that I would say that Hi, I sure love Israel the most and people are like, damn. [SPEAKER_07]: Gotcha.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, got you dude. [SPEAKER_13]: Now I got receipts. [SPEAKER_13]: So I mean, I don't believe it was deleting it for reasons of people making bad faith receipts, but I'd like to believe that. [SPEAKER_04]: Inverse dead naming. [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, people were saying that what he was doing was against the law, because you're legally not allowed to do that, which is untrue if these are archived.

[SPEAKER_13]: Now, of course, all of these sweets had been archived, and he, in wanting to continue this trend of revoking the executive orders, also wanted to revoke the tweets of a guy who was indicted. [SPEAKER_04]: Um, yeah, they'll, they'll love to be displayed in the air again. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just memorial, uh, wouldn't be a library. [SPEAKER_04]: What would it be? [SPEAKER_13]: I've got a booth at a VIP booth at a club. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, a memorial VIP booth.

[SPEAKER_07]: Which country was it turkey that he did? [SPEAKER_07]: That's right. [SPEAKER_07]: Took a bunch of money from, so. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_13]: It's the, I love that the Eric Adams Memorial Istanbul terminal.

[SPEAKER_13]: So he, in response to, you know, the deleted tweets and all of the executive order revocations, a joint statement was released by the AJC, the Jewish Community Relations Council, the ADL, the U.J.A. [SPEAKER_13]: L.M.U. [SPEAKER_13]: USC, MGMT, PPO, MZOG, the good one, not the bad one. [SPEAKER_13]: They all.

[SPEAKER_13]: So basically, the car, again, being a family, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

[SPEAKER_13]: The city's adoption of the IHRA and critical protections against the BDS movement against Israel. [SPEAKER_13]: To which someone quote tweeted this by saying, Do you have any idea how bad your policy has to be to make all these Jewish organizations agree on a statement? [SPEAKER_13]: I'll come on at this point. [SPEAKER_13]: what all yeah it's very different you can get them to all agree that Palestinians are not human.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah I think you can get them to agree on a statement. [SPEAKER_13]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_04]: Jews are so bad at rhythm. [SPEAKER_04]: Do you know how offensive your [SPEAKER_04]: Your statement has to be to make them march in lockstep. [SPEAKER_13]: You know what they say. [SPEAKER_13]: Two Jews, three opinions unless the question is Israel in which case they all agree to get the same time. [SPEAKER_13]: In case it's no opinion, in that case it's no opinion.

[SPEAKER_13]: No Jews and a whole bunch of facts. [SPEAKER_13]: That's right. [SPEAKER_13]: In fact, so I'm my side. [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, no, I mean, these are the Jews that, you know, really count as Jews. [SPEAKER_07]: guys that you're not, that's doesn't matter. [SPEAKER_13]: Of course. [SPEAKER_13]: Well, the Jews said disagree are not really Jews. [SPEAKER_13]: Everyone knows that. [SPEAKER_07]: Um, obvious.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I saw this is a side note, but I saw a video of a, uh, uh, uh, what is that Nutra, Karta, the, um, Nutra Karta, Nutra Karta. [SPEAKER_13]: They, uh, there's a video of one of, uh, Nutra Karta is their little blender for smoothness. [SPEAKER_07]: Alright.

[UNKNOWN]: Alright. [SPEAKER_13]: Um, I saw one of them, uh, there was a video online where they were talking about anti-synism talking about not adopting the, uh, I char-a, uh, definition because it's bad for everyone and it's bad for Jews of conscience and whatnot. [SPEAKER_13]: There was, one design is in the comments, we were going, you are not Jewish. [SPEAKER_13]: You do not become Jewish just because you were a hat.

[SPEAKER_13]: That hat is fake and because this guy is acidic and I was just like, what are we doing now? [SPEAKER_13]: We're looking at a, acidic Jews got a literal, yetish accent. [SPEAKER_13]: And going you are not real Jew. [SPEAKER_07]: Not Jewish enough. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I think they're out there trying to rip off the beard [SPEAKER_04]: Right, of Brooklyn rabbis trying to prove that they're fake. [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, exactly.

[SPEAKER_13]: So, you know, this is, of course, you know, focused on these two very particular revocations. [SPEAKER_13]: And we, I realized we hadn't talked much about the IHRA working definition of anti-semitism and we need to correct that because people need to know why this is bad. [SPEAKER_13]: It's called a working definite working on what? [SPEAKER_13]: Just working on it, dude. [SPEAKER_13]: The working definition is like until we come up with a better one.

[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, it's like Missy Elliott said, is it worth it? [SPEAKER_13]: Let me work it. [SPEAKER_07]: I think that I saw that someone who was involved in the creation of this definition of anti-Semitism has come out and said, I didn't really mean for it to be applied in this way. [SPEAKER_07]: You know, I mean, the whole idea, of course, is that you create this incredibly broad.

[SPEAKER_07]: definition that sweeps in any sort of Israel-corticism and then you get to say officially now you have this official backing that anti-Israel-corticism is anti-Semitism and so I mean the the incredible thing Like Zoron winning in New York City is just you cannot possibly wrap your hat around what a big deal it is Yeah, because

[SPEAKER_07]: It's the one play that people would have said absolutely not someone who's an antisat like a vowed antis ionist who's You know down with the BDS movement all these things.

[SPEAKER_07]: There is no way maybe somewhere else in America But not in New York City and so he's just opened up this incredible realm of possibilities Now you've got Cameron caskey who's running in a district that's like the upper west side and the upper east side Oh no, but the Zionists owned him crystal they owned him

[SPEAKER_04]: He talks all this shit about Israel and then he goes there presumably hanging out in nightclubs And enjoying the oops he went to the West Bank directly and was meeting with Palestinians And then someone I think Blake Flayton or one of these fuckers was like oh, yeah, you go to the West Bank [SPEAKER_04]: and you tour and you look at the Palestinians as if there's zoo animals and you uncritically adopt their narrative.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm thinking like yeah, that's my favorite thing to do at the zoo is just uncritically adopt the animals' narrative. [SPEAKER_04]: And one hand calling Palestinians animals and trying to position yourself as some kind of like pita activist be like, you leave those Palestinians alone. [SPEAKER_04]: They just freaked out. [SPEAKER_04]: They couldn't deal with cascades.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's also that there's something about like, you know that the image of your country is so bad that it's like an own that someone's gonna be wrecked if they get caught visiting there. [SPEAKER_07]: What is that? [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: That's always just starting there even before we learned which no surprise, Jasper Nathaniel helped him organize this to go and actually see for himself.

[SPEAKER_07]: Cause Cam has been, I mean, Cam has been an incredibly courageous voice and has really been trying to, [SPEAKER_07]: go as deep as he possibly can. [SPEAKER_07]: So, but you know, to have him running in that district and have a shot at it, I just, it has become. [SPEAKER_07]: He's running in the district that Jerry Nadler is retiring from. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. [SPEAKER_07]: So I believe it's upper west side upper east side and then some of like, you know, below central park there.

[SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, it's a district, I think, I think Cuomo won it. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm not 100% sure. [SPEAKER_07]: I think it was pretty close between Cuomo and Zoran there. [SPEAKER_07]: But, you know, right now in the polls, he's, he's got a shot at this thing. [SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, the point is that in these Democratic primaries, this has become such an important, important litmus test issue, because it just stands in for, like, do you have a soul?

[SPEAKER_13]: Are you willing to stand on principle on anything and it's crazy to me how many people just fail that in Basic human the easiest test in the world a test that you would only fail if you were somehow Compromised in your own morality and in your charisma, you know like you're just yeah, that's right [SPEAKER_13]: It says one thing. [SPEAKER_13]: It says that you value your career over human life. [SPEAKER_13]: And people don't, I don't think people like that.

[SPEAKER_13]: And at least I hope they don't. [SPEAKER_07]: It's been my impression. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, but this IHRA definition is interesting because it's kind of [SPEAKER_13]: One of the things his bars try to do is try to retcon Jewish history and the history of anti-Semitism so when this definition, you know, is being [SPEAKER_13]: lot it as like the only definition people try to pretend as if it's like always been around. [SPEAKER_13]: It's been around forever. [SPEAKER_07]: How dare you?

[SPEAKER_07]: 3,000 years ago. [SPEAKER_13]: Right. [SPEAKER_13]: The definition has been promised 3,000 years ago. [SPEAKER_13]: And of course, this is not the case. [SPEAKER_13]: One of the many reasons why this is bad is because the working definition of anti-Semitism [SPEAKER_13]: merely a framework that was used in order to define anti-Semitism for the sake of statistics and data collection, specifically trying to say like, [SPEAKER_13]: Well, there are instances.

[SPEAKER_13]: This was made in the early 2000s, and it was saying, well, there are instances of anti-Semitism in which the reason for it was Israel-based. [SPEAKER_13]: Like, you can't just say, well, if someone says, oh, I did this because of Israel. [SPEAKER_13]: I did this crime because of Israel, that it is necessarily not anti-Semitism. [SPEAKER_04]: So you can't rule it out.

[SPEAKER_04]: So this is one place where you might want to look, [SPEAKER_13]: reinvestigate not it's so facto equation this equals that right but very specifically about data collection not about legislation not about being adopted by governments and legal bodies so that is that is the issue with it uh... so just one of the many points that it makes a regarding this definition uh... one that i think a lot of us

[SPEAKER_13]: take issue with like for the first few points of what is antisemitism is things that are kind of the classic antisemitism conspiracy theories, stereotypes, you know, accusing Jews as people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoings committed by a single Jewish person basically the same definition as racism or bigotry for any ethnic group.

[SPEAKER_13]: Uh, what ends up happening is after a few of these, you know, saying, yeah, this is for the old timers, the old heads, remember these guys, then the rest of the definition has to do with Israel, and it conflates anti-Israel sentiment with anti-Semitism. [SPEAKER_04]: Can you go back to the first slide just for a second? [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, sure. [SPEAKER_04]: The last one.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're accusing the Jews as a people or Israel as a state of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust. [SPEAKER_04]: Inventing exaggerating. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. [SPEAKER_04]: Good. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't see exploiting. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't see exploiting. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't see bastardizing. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't see. [SPEAKER_07]: Sheepening. [SPEAKER_04]: Sheepening?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: But then, you know, we start getting into things like denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g. [SPEAKER_13]: by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor. [SPEAKER_13]: Hold on a fucking second. [SPEAKER_04]: That e.g. [SPEAKER_04]: is doing a lot of heavy lifting because nowhere in in.

[SPEAKER_04]: claiming, or I would say pointing out or making the strong case, that the existence of, oh, A state of Israel. [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't see that. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: By claiming that, it's an indefinite article. [SPEAKER_04]: It's not the existence of the state of Israel, or just A, no. [SPEAKER_04]: We're talking about the state of Israel, fuckers. [SPEAKER_04]: Right, no. [SPEAKER_04]: A state of Israel.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, if you see a radical state of Israel, there's the one that exists, the one who is existence, [SPEAKER_04]: Right, predicated on a racist cleansing of land, of certain ethnicities and groups, but then to equate the existence of a or these state of Israel is a racist never with denying the Jewish people they're right to self-determination.

[SPEAKER_04]: How no, there were a lot of [SPEAKER_04]: So-called cultural Zionists before the state of Israel who were like, yeah, right to self-determination. [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_04]: And our right to self-determination ends where other people's existence on this land and humanity begins. [SPEAKER_04]: And so we're going to have to find something other than a racist, ethno-tribalist, nationalist, militarized state. [SPEAKER_13]: Right.

[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, what's crazy about this to me? [SPEAKER_13]: Also, this example is specifically like, it is actually illegal for you to call me racist. [SPEAKER_13]: The fact that racist being called racist is the example that they use in a definition that they're trying to define of racism. [SPEAKER_13]: They're trying to say this is [SPEAKER_13]: So essentially they have a I am rubber your glue claws in their definition of anti-semitism.

[SPEAKER_07]: I mean it's kind of perfect though especially for the right wingers that embrace this view who five seconds ago were like you know that you can't call as raises the new guys with your wokeness and your safe spaces or whatever and then the second it comes to Israel when it comes to you know quote unquote anti-semitism then they need the safe spaces they need the affirmative [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, everyone becomes woke.

[SPEAKER_07]: There was some Zionist like I think billionaire went on CNBC and was like, you know, this whole first amendment thing. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm sorry guys I got to deal with this. [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, I mean listen. [SPEAKER_13]: I would I know we were gonna maybe save this but we gotta watch that. [SPEAKER_13]: I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_13]: You brought it up [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you for having me. [SPEAKER_08]: AI is going to revolutionize cyberwar for Israel.

[SPEAKER_08]: For a form critical infrastructure to the fabric of society and politics and undermining it. [SPEAKER_08]: Giving unfair advantage to the criterion governments against democratic countries. [SPEAKER_08]: First amendment type of... That's already happening. [SPEAKER_04]: What was it happening, girls? [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I didn't know that Cosmo had an Israeli cousin and number two.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's something about this This level of thick Zionist Israeli accent Where when you hear the word democratic it just sounds like a joke [SPEAKER_04]: Like it sounds like it's in air quotes. [SPEAKER_04]: Like I just can't, it just doesn't sound like it refers to anything real. [SPEAKER_13]: It's a weirdly hard K in the middle of there. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, democratic.

[SPEAKER_08]: polarization in countries that allow for the first amendment and protected, which is great and I know it's difficult to hear, but it's time to limit the first amendment in order to protect it and quickly before it's too late. [SPEAKER_11]: What do you mean? [SPEAKER_08]: I mean that we need to control the platforms. [SPEAKER_08]: all the social platforms we need to stick rank the authenticity of every person that expresses themselves.

[SPEAKER_07]: We just have the pressure to remember. [SPEAKER_07]: We need to control the platform, see said. [SPEAKER_07]: I can't understand why anti-Semitism is spiking worldwide.

[SPEAKER_13]: I can't understand why Nick Fuentes is now a freaking millionaire who gets to put his views on every major platform like [SPEAKER_13]: we got I just it just pisses me off so much this is not to mention actually saying out loud the phrase we have to limit the first amendment in order to protect it is just the first amendment's mom and dad sit it down on it's honey sit down sit down sweetie well you're getting you're getting to be a big girl now and

[SPEAKER_13]: And your body's changing and it's rallying out and God and some people are going to some people are going to look at it and what do we need so your curfew and how is Just putting yourself as the arbiter of what limits need to happen on the first amendment and starting with I know it's hard to heal. [SPEAKER_13]: I know it's hard to heal. [SPEAKER_13]: You'll you'll baby eels can take it [SPEAKER_13]: But you have to understand, you're not allowed to talk like this.

[SPEAKER_13]: Also, we need to limit it in order to protect it, it's just very much sign-felt. [SPEAKER_13]: Incredible. [SPEAKER_07]: Incredible. [SPEAKER_07]: I like how even the CNBC lady is like, wait, what? [SPEAKER_07]: What do you mean by that? [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, we just, you know, we need to control all the platforms. [SPEAKER_07]: That's all. [SPEAKER_07]: You're taking our jobs away from us. [SPEAKER_07]: We don't have to explain or analyze anything.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's just, just listen to what he does. [SPEAKER_04]: We in Israel have been innovators in a nano-technology. [SPEAKER_04]: We can shrink things. [SPEAKER_04]: We can make, you know, the tomato, yes. [SPEAKER_04]: We can make a cherry first amendment. [SPEAKER_04]: By size, not too much free speech, not not juices all over your chin. [SPEAKER_04]: It is just pumping your mouth and it's going. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god, a cherry first amendment.

[SPEAKER_07]: And do we know, is this guy Israeli-American or is just Israeli? [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know, I ate so wild to me to imagine, like going on in another country and be like, let me tell you about your constitution. [SPEAKER_07]: Like the advice you've got, you know, this is really not working out for me personally. [SPEAKER_04]: We can get a billionaire from a country that does not have a constitution. [SPEAKER_04]: Here's what's wrong with yours.

[SPEAKER_13]: You're a little unrestricted. [SPEAKER_13]: Maybe you guys have you thought about not having one? [SPEAKER_13]: We can do that. [SPEAKER_07]: We're doing democracy in the Middle East. [SPEAKER_07]: You're right. [SPEAKER_07]: He's got the position to tell us about this. [SPEAKER_04]: I understand you have your founding him. [SPEAKER_04]: How you say fadels. [SPEAKER_04]: My founding fadels are Abraham Isaac Jacob.

[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, you know, they're real, uh, or jeez, yeah, but yeah, I mean, just circling back to the IHRA definition. [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, this is a definition that in and of itself is uh, when adopted by governments and localities and municipalities ends up criminalizing speech to an absurd degree, uh, it is not a, [SPEAKER_13]: definition that should be taken as like, oh, that's the way it's always been perceived.

[SPEAKER_13]: It is not always been this is a Not meant to be legislated upon and I know this because as you said Crystal, the loudest voice opposing the adoption of the iHRA into law is the guy who wrote

[SPEAKER_13]: the damn framework can at the start he was the lead drafter of it and he explains why in this clip that I got this is from the Christian I'm in poor show case that's really instructive is what happened in Germany when the ira definition was used to basically call it the ira definition [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: Well, George's generation is different than Iris. [SPEAKER_03]: I recommend your definitions on the news.

[SPEAKER_13]: We have both definitions named by different Gershwin brothers. [SPEAKER_10]: All right, here we go. [SPEAKER_10]: Opposing the war in Gaza, calling them anti-Semitic. [SPEAKER_10]: And one of the things that a person commenting on it said, is in it ironic. [SPEAKER_10]: The Germany is again decided what it means to be Jewish, what it means to have a Jewish position. [SPEAKER_10]: And I don't want Congress deciding that here either and I don't want administrations deciding.

[SPEAKER_13]: So, I mean, this is someone who goes on the show and he's been on a couple times. [SPEAKER_13]: He is self-proclaimed, you know, two-state solution, his Zionist and whatnot. [SPEAKER_13]: It was the lead drafter of this working definition that is saying, no, no, this is not meant to be used by states. [SPEAKER_13]: This is not meant to be used by people in government.

[SPEAKER_13]: And he understands what I think the Schlomo, which is that his name, the guy that we've played the clip of, Schlomo doesn't understand, which is that free speech does matter to people in the United States. [SPEAKER_04]: American self-concept. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: It's pretty sturdy. [SPEAKER_04]: It's pretty sturdy plank of the American identity. [SPEAKER_13]: It might be the only one that I would say most people agree with, at least on some level.

[SPEAKER_13]: And so it's the idea of using the law in order to criminalize the speech of the mayor who just got elected. [SPEAKER_13]: I think is ridiculous to most people. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, it just feels very desperate at this point as well. [SPEAKER_07]: Like, they can see, I mean, the Democratic Party put the elected officials aside, but the base of the Democratic Party is gone. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, they'll never look at Israel the same way.

[SPEAKER_07]: They will never be behind shipping weapons to Israel like they're done, right? [SPEAKER_07]: And I think it will be a very important issue in 2020. [SPEAKER_07]: independence largely the same thing, and younger Republicans too. [SPEAKER_07]: So because of that sense of like, oh, we're really, you know, those bars really not working for us anymore. [SPEAKER_07]: It's like, okay, well, what do we have to do? [SPEAKER_07]: We have to crack down more.

[SPEAKER_07]: We have to like, [SPEAKER_07]: put TikTok in the hands of an aligned billionaire. [SPEAKER_07]: We've got to get that same family to get CBS. [SPEAKER_07]: And we've got to make this whole thing and install Barry Weiss. [SPEAKER_07]: And we really have to lock this down because this isn't going well. [SPEAKER_07]: But I think it's far too late at this point. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, completely.

[SPEAKER_13]: It is, you know, shocking to see, you know, a Muslim mayor of New York be so openly anti-Semitic, but I think that we can, you know, we can hope that the Jewish institutional community can band together and make sure [SPEAKER_13]: that he re-adops that definition, so that they can then prosecute him. [SPEAKER_07]: But the masters have to get to work, I guess. [SPEAKER_07]: That's right. [SPEAKER_07]: They're slacking.

[SPEAKER_13]: Hey, then someone's got to pick up the slack on those strings. [SPEAKER_04]: And when they, and comedy, when they arrest him, when they arrest him, he and Maduro can do cute dances together. [SPEAKER_04]: Think about what they've done. [SPEAKER_13]: Before we end the podcast, there's one more thing we need to talk about, Crystal, can you stick around for us just a little bit longer? [SPEAKER_07]: Sure, no problem. [SPEAKER_13]: So we have a segment that we like to do here about AI.

[SPEAKER_13]: Ladies and gentlemen, it's 2026, and here's our first segment of the year of I'm Israel. [SPEAKER_12]: They are.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, great. [SPEAKER_04]: You ever heard of a little book called The Bible? [SPEAKER_07]: I'm vaguely familiar with it. [SPEAKER_04]: Great, great. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's very old. [SPEAKER_04]: And it's got a lot of great characters in it. [SPEAKER_04]: And I didn't know this, but all of them are 21st century Zionists who can really talk their shit. [SPEAKER_04]: I came across this video featuring a number of them being interviewed about their views.

[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe we can just take a look at it and let's do it and see what they have to say. [SPEAKER_02]: Boycott Israel? [SPEAKER_02]: I literally started this family. [SPEAKER_02]: This is very rare. [SPEAKER_02]: My 4,000 years. [SPEAKER_07]: Boycott Israel? [SPEAKER_07]: It's not heart. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh my God. [SPEAKER_07]: I birthed tribes. [SPEAKER_07]: You birth conspiracy posts. [SPEAKER_14]: boycott is real. [SPEAKER_14]: I was almost sacrificed.

[SPEAKER_14]: I was hoping it would be like my dad almost stabbed me. [SPEAKER_14]: I'd better odds than your argument. [SPEAKER_14]: Boycott Israel James survived a fish. [SPEAKER_12]: It's not a fish. [SPEAKER_13]: Well, it's not a fish I'm sorry, it would be me. [SPEAKER_13]: We're being but then take it. [SPEAKER_13]: Come on won't survive basic history. [SPEAKER_02]: You have to survive basic biology You want to boycott Israel Joseph.

[SPEAKER_02]: I check your future the dream says stop talking learn history [SPEAKER_00]: Boycott Israel? [SPEAKER_00]: I have stopped genocides.

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[SPEAKER_04]: the people of Plob Abla, 20,000 of them perished that day and then the Hebrews feasted at banquet it. [SPEAKER_04]: And yay on Friday, they did the same thing to 27,000. [SPEAKER_13]: I love saying, like, I've ended genocide. [SPEAKER_13]: It's like, if you do a genocide, you don't get the credit for stopping. [SPEAKER_04]: But that's the idea, like, that's like the idea that it, like, savings makes you money.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, if you go shopping and, you know, like, oh, but I saved 5% and that's right. [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, yes. [SPEAKER_06]: Scare me. [SPEAKER_14]: You say boycott is real? [SPEAKER_14]: Jacob. [SPEAKER_14]: I wrestled angels. [SPEAKER_14]: Your boycott has zero grip. [SPEAKER_04]: Boy cutting his rail? [SPEAKER_04]: King Solomon. [SPEAKER_14]: Ah, yes. [SPEAKER_14]: The wisdom of fools never ceases. [SPEAKER_14]: Uh-huh. [SPEAKER_14]: Wow. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, man.

[SPEAKER_07]: Holy. [SPEAKER_07]: This is for. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I was thinking about that. [SPEAKER_04]: This is internal house barat. [SPEAKER_04]: This is Moral. [SPEAKER_04]: This is a pen rally. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: This is just for... [SPEAKER_04]: Jews to feel like, yeah, and very, very, very, very important as well. [SPEAKER_04]: Chris, that's good point. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: They care more, I think, about, like, liturgy than, uh, Zion.

[SPEAKER_13]: There's a lot of, like, uh, Jewish scientists who pretend that they give a shit, but they, not as much as the Christians love that shit. [SPEAKER_13]: Everything's fanfiction to them. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: So, right, you're so right. [SPEAKER_07]: That's exactly who is targeted with this, isn't it? [SPEAKER_04]: and Adam says Facebook boomer moms too. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, there's a heavy overlap, but yeah, it was demographics. [SPEAKER_07]: People who let us track too.

[SPEAKER_13]: People who like that video on people like when Jesus was made out of shrimp or whatever. [SPEAKER_13]: They love the AI. [SPEAKER_04]: Now I do have a boomer mom who's on Facebook a lot, but we're not talking about you, Mom. [SPEAKER_04]: She's cool. [SPEAKER_04]: She's cool. [SPEAKER_04]: She was at the Bad Husband or a live show. [SPEAKER_04]: That's right, New York. [SPEAKER_04]: She's cool with us.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now I feel like, [SPEAKER_04]: This video frankly could have gone deeper. [SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot more characters who would have a lot to say. [SPEAKER_04]: And I found some passages in the Hebrew Bible that suggest to me what other characters might think. [SPEAKER_04]: I just want to read some of them. [SPEAKER_04]: Starting with the very first human character in the Bible. [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, he would say, I'm Adam.

[SPEAKER_04]: I've been around since the very first book of the Bible. [SPEAKER_04]: You tell me you're against genocide? [SPEAKER_04]: Good for you. [SPEAKER_04]: Me, I'm on Genesis's side. [SPEAKER_13]: I see what they're doing there. [SPEAKER_13]: Like that. [SPEAKER_13]: All right, here's, here's an old one. [SPEAKER_13]: I'm came. [SPEAKER_13]: I slew my brother Abel in a jealous rage. [SPEAKER_13]: Imagine what I would have done to that fucker if he tried to boycott his real.

[SPEAKER_13]: This is optional. [SPEAKER_13]: I would have gone all all Old Testament on his ass. [SPEAKER_13]: Get it Old Testament. [SPEAKER_13]: Very good, Dan. [SPEAKER_13]: You'll see that. [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_13]: I just want to give us Noah. [SPEAKER_07]: Here we go. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I got you. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm Noah. [SPEAKER_07]: I was shamed by my son Ham for exposing myself while drunk and you want me to be upset about some soldiers posing in their victims lingerie.

[SPEAKER_07]: Grow up. [SPEAKER_13]: You know, I got to be honest with you. [SPEAKER_13]: I don't think I know that much lower about Noah. [SPEAKER_13]: That's new one. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't want to wear that either. [SPEAKER_04]: He cursed his son Ham's lineage. [SPEAKER_04]: For yeah, he was he for shaming him. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, because he was wait. [SPEAKER_04]: Drunk in his tent. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Noah was drunk. [SPEAKER_04]: Her ham was drunk.

[SPEAKER_04]: Noah was drunk and ham came upon him. [SPEAKER_04]: I think he was exposing himself to his own daughters if I remember correctly. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what the fuck? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: He was you look. [SPEAKER_04]: He had a hard day, right? [SPEAKER_04]: with all that hickory bark. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Believe it, that fucking thing. [SPEAKER_04]: This is pre-ark, no, all right? [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's pre-ark or it's in the midst of the making it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not sure if there's a Canadian novel called Not One on the Voyage by Timothy Finley, which fictionalizes it and tells the story of this dysfunctional family. [SPEAKER_04]: It's very, very great book. [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, we have some more here. [SPEAKER_04]: I will read this one and then Matt, you can do the one after. [SPEAKER_04]: Just a short. [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry for all the delays.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm Job. [SPEAKER_04]: I was a good and pious man whom God made suffer bitterly just to prove a point. [SPEAKER_04]: But then I was rewarded with riches because I never once cursed the name of the powerful force in flricting all this on me. [SPEAKER_04]: Gazans take note, silence is golden. [SPEAKER_13]: So this is why you don't need AI. [SPEAKER_13]: All you need is a sick fuck like Daniel Mocker. [SPEAKER_07]: A little bit of human ingenuity and psychopathy.

[SPEAKER_13]: That's right, just mix them all together. [SPEAKER_04]: And you have to have a certain working knowledge of the Israeli mentality. [SPEAKER_04]: That's right. [SPEAKER_04]: That's right. [SPEAKER_04]: That's right. [SPEAKER_04]: That's right. [SPEAKER_13]: That's right. [SPEAKER_13]: That's right. [SPEAKER_13]: That's right. [SPEAKER_13]: That's right. [SPEAKER_13]: That's right. [SPEAKER_13]: That's right. [SPEAKER_13]: That's right. [SPEAKER_13]: That's right.

[UNKNOWN]: That's right. [SPEAKER_13]: I come on bro. [SPEAKER_13]: I did. [SPEAKER_13]: I sexually assaulted my half-sister tomorrow and you want me to talk about sti-te-man? [SPEAKER_13]: It'll please. [SPEAKER_13]: Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy. [SPEAKER_13]: Let's go one more in. [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, I've got so many more, oh my god. [SPEAKER_03]: Crystal, go.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm Sarah, you heard that I made my husband cast his second wife, Hagar, and son Ishmael into exile because I was envious of her fertility. [SPEAKER_07]: Whatever, bitch, it worked out. [SPEAKER_07]: God made my desert bloom. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, man. [SPEAKER_04]: Can I read one more, just a little bit? [SPEAKER_13]: All right, let me pitch your podcast. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm Samson.

[SPEAKER_04]: My lover Delilah snitched on me and cut off my hair, so my Philistine and enemies could imprison and torture me. [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I kind of know what it's like dealing with you as a Jews. [SPEAKER_13]: It looks so yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: And then finally. [SPEAKER_04]: We're the Israelites. [SPEAKER_04]: We danced around the golden calf in a fit of wild idolatry, breaking God's most fundamental commandments. [SPEAKER_04]: And you know what? [SPEAKER_04]: We will dance again.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no! [SPEAKER_07]: What if you stuck the shit out of that lady? [SPEAKER_07]: That was the right one to end on. [SPEAKER_13]: Oh my god, that was good. [SPEAKER_13]: You know, I love that. [SPEAKER_13]: I love to contrast just the sloppy AI Slop ever with someone who actually writes words with their brain. [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, thanks. [SPEAKER_13]: Maybe it's something we could all learn. [SPEAKER_13]: And that, ladies and gentlemen, is our podcast.

[SPEAKER_13]: First one for 20, 26, crystal ball. [SPEAKER_13]: Thank you so much for coming on and talking with us. [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you for having me guys, I enjoyed it. [SPEAKER_13]: I had a great time and where can people find you? [SPEAKER_13]: Find your work, subscribe to your show. [SPEAKER_07]: Um, breakingpoints.com and on sub-stack for Crystal Talon friends, and then I'm usually, um, you know, rotting my brain over on Twitter at Crystal Ball, so feel free to join me there.

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