Are Jacqui And Clint The Real Winners?

welcome back to back to reality. I'm Selena and I'm Tany And this week we thought we'd do something different and try a solo girly episode because we have so much to debrief on. We had the reunion episodes a lot what I don't even know where to even start, honestly, I'm speaking. It really brought back some trauma from like our reunion and the filming work. We need to just unpack that first, because so just so you guys know, the reunion is filmed about a month after the final

of ours have finished filming. We were just speaking off camera before. We think it should be longer because a month is like nothing and it should be minimum two months. But yeah, it sits around a month after. But apparently it was like three issue weeks for this season. Yeah supposedly, Yeah, And I mean so much can go on within that time, and I feel like it would be better for it to be like a reunion after the show is yes, so everyone can watch it and then call each other out, Yes,

like housewives style. Yes, Yes, that would be That would be the tea. But what's your what's your memories from filming reunion? Because I have a lot of thoughts on it, but I want to hear yours. Well. Mine was very traumatic. Obviously, Cody and I did long distance for a month, and that was a lot of flying back and forth because I was still living in Adelaide. We had a beautiful Christmas and everything together, and then we flew back for the reunion and yeah, we had the dinner party. He

seemed really off. I could see something was up after we left, like in the uber, we basically he broke up with me, Like, yeah, it was strange. I'm sure everyone's already heard the story, so I'm not gonna go too deep into it. And then the next morning we were so rattled because the crew was going to come back. We're going to film the well part two of the reunion so the commit would CEREMONI yeah, yeah, and we were like, what do we do? What do we say?

I guess there was a part of me that thought he might change his mind, and he was actually good in the senses. He's like, look, I'm gonna be respectful. I'll do whatever you want to, Like, dude, if you want to continue and pretend we're still together for the sake of the show, I'm happy to do that. If not, we can just be honest. Yeah, I'm gonna let you sit with that. So I was like sitting with it. And I was so quiet the whole day. I think everyone kind of knew something was up. I was just

faking that. I was like severely hungover. Actually no, I was actually that as well. And then it was only until we sat on the couch in front of the experts that yeah, I said, like he had dumped me. It was a lot, Yeah, and it was a shock to everyone again myself, Yeah, yeah, no, it was. I just my memory of the reunions was just how long they took to film, and I'm sure it was the same for you. But we we were the last couple to sit on the couch and it was the sun

was rising and I'm not joking. It was like five am, so I took a selfie right after it was over, and it was like six ish or something yep, I don't know, something around it was like five am, five six am, and it was like the sun was up. It was daylight, yep. And it was just rattling, and I just sit there because you're there at like not like it's the whole You literally go through the whole night literally, and then I don't know how my makeup stayed on, Like I was just like sitting there like,

oh my god. And it's always like drama. You have people walking out, and it just sucks that we were the last one because we had to just sit there the whole time. And then the thing that annoyed me the most is that then they had like booked an early flight for the next morning, and it was literally like we had like three hour sleep and we had to film again. I was like, this is just like no, no, was that the no sorry? That was for the final

dinner party. It ended in the ams and the flight was like in the morning, and I was like, dude, joke. So it was just really like the way they did the logistics of stuff was so bad. And then that night, sorry, after reunion, it was just like just awful, just like aawful vibes. Well, Channel nine thought that they were being like really organized. They had organized a beautiful woman's day couple's photo shoe. Well, the couples that were together, we

seemingly like came, yeah, the show and we're together. So because Cody and I said we were together, they had planned this whole photo shoe and that was the next day to do it after I got fucking dumped and I still had to rock up. The makeup artist was wiping my tears and blotting my safe right now. Yeah, so it's it's out there if you want to look it up. I was in a green like Zimmermum dress

sitting on a rock with Cody was so odd. We did like a shoot, so it was yeah, I remember, it was like the couples that were together and then a few of the girls and then we got to go like in the like to the office and do like a studio shooting.

drama happened. Yes, So it was just like they should have Yeah, they should have just waited, because I feel like the content, if it was just like a month longer than it was, would have been so much more dramatic, like the swapping of the couples, like people that have hooked up, like all that stuff. Was just like they missed all that. Yeah, well this year where there was a lot of drama with the new cast, Yeah, I was really like after watching the reunion dinner, I was

so overwhelmed. I was like, this was like a lot And I was watching in my roommate and we're just like do Like that was just so traumatizing to watch, just and how like the energy that everyone came into that ye was just too much. But it was weird how Marena, Tim, Jake, and Lauren did not attend. I didn't even know that was an option. I thought we had to go based that was a part of our contract. But I mean, based on those specific people, I'm not

surprised they didn't decide to come. Yeah, and kind of disappointing. I wish they were forced to because it would have been good to see what the vibes would have been like, because those were pretty big characters and they had really key moments. It was a bit of a missed, yeah, missed bit of drama that we didn't get to see. And that is like a lot, Like I feel like we've never seen that many people not rock after reunion. That's a lot. I think we only had one Andrew

fair enough I was matched with. I don't think we had anyone that didn't rock up. Really, Oh no, I didn't. I'm trying to think. I feel like everyone. I feel like everyone came to ours. Yeah, I feel like we thought we had to. But I wonder like, because this cast has gone so rogue, our future participants going to see that and be like, well, fuck it, rock up and I can make a fuss and get on the

promo as well, you know what. Watching I loved watching the sit down when they played back the footage in front of everyone, because it felt like it was so in detail and it was just like wow, like that is just like your face with like what happened right? Just seeing the reactions like even how Paul just like

couldn't seeing it just in black and white. He just could not see it from anyone else's perspective, and he just thought he was in the right still, like he's dying on the hill, or she did the wrong things too, bro like embarrassing, embarrassing, and I just like, yeah, I just couldn't. I couldn't comprehend that, honestly. And then even

Adrian's one was pretty tea. That was all that. It was actually really sad to watch because I think Athena finally got to see what their relationship was actually like, and it was not good. Yeah, I didn't really I didn't really think it was good at any point, to be honest. See, I'm glad they showed that how it was because like I'm just gonna go back to my season what they did to me because they thought that

Cody and I had made it. They made me watch all the bad snippets of our relationship and then they were like so thinking that they had one upped me because they thought that like we were together. They were like, how are you feeling about everything? And I like we burst into tears and I was like, you know, he dumped me. But when when they aired that, I did the opposite, so it made more sense to the storyline as to why we broke up, But that was not what was done to me on the night, So like,

I'm glad that we're Athena and Adrians, like I saw. Yeah. To be fair, though, what they show on TV is different to what you do see, so it's hard to tell exactly what it's shown, but is the general gist of what happens in those relationships, so you kind of know. I think at Reen, you know, if you're getting a bad editor off, they had the footage that they show because you know what's being spotlighted, and then you're like, this is not a good Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel

I saw that on Paul's face. Yeah, he was just like but he was even worse seeing the condensed down version of how bad it actually was because we just blocked it out. It was like one after the other after the other, and she just like worked through it and then for him to continue to be like, she needs to try harder to work through it. And she did bad things too. It's like, what were the bad things she did? I won day if he did say them, but they just kept cutting it out true, because he did.

He was really danty about like she did this as she did that, because from what we saw, what else did she she said the wrapper thing? Okay, the reaction was really unjustified, and people always things I forgot about that. But the way he played down like like just ignores the word. But how he was also using like his like his background as like a language barrier. Yeah, I do feel like he says shit and he doesn't know what it means. And that's why I feel like he's

getting into this ship. Not that it's justifying it at all, but it's like, dude, what are you saying and what are you doing? I feel like he doesn't know, So I don't. I do genuinely because even when he's like in conversation, he kind of says the wrong things out

of context, like I kind of noticed. So I don't think that is an excuse, like don't say stuff that you don't know what it means, especially if it's a strong thing like a snob, which is exactly what you're trying to say men, Like that's exactly how you were trying to mean it. So I hate anyone that uses

that like background argument. But I think we've seen like you're saying some stupid shit that doesn't make sense, and it's like, I know, I feel like there was a part of me that could understand a little bit of what he was trying to say totally, because I feel like he was trying to say that Karina was a bit of a pick me and that judge. Yes, more so what he was trying to say like her wanting

to seek I guess validation from the public. That's valid. Yeah, But I'm like again, like, and I love Alessandri what's wrong with that? Because yeah, bro, you're going on TV. Yes, in a relationship, you're going to have a different view when it's not broadcasting to people. But at the end of the day, you are going to be conscious of how you're being portrayed, because, as we've seen, it can ruin your life. So I don't think that that's unfair for her to feel like, I'm going to make sure

I do this this this. Yeah. Also, like, look at the way you acted, how you embarrassed her the whole time, and then she still stood by you through like the worst part of it, honestly, absolute work. And then at the end you're going to be like, oh, we weren't even compatible. She's a snob. It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah actually cared with the public thought about her, she would have left your wall. Yeah, she actually got so clearly.

She was working through her feelings there and then came to the conclusion eventually when it was like too many, like exactly, and this is what this is. It was such a good example of what it's like in real life because you're gonna have to deal with Instagram when girls are going to be do you think he's going to just ignore those No, exactly, and people from experience do not care that you're in a relationship. Girls will still message, so are they going to feed in that temptation? Probably?

And that is like that is the biggest test. That's why I think two months after we get your Instagram back, bring the reunion and then get the DMS up. There's a difference between women and men that go on reality Tea. The women use it as an opportunity to maybe progress in their career prospects, and that's the kind of fine love.

And also this I think men they kind of do it for shits and gigs and also so they can have like h that is what we say, definitely, but also like you just get to a stage of your life where like you know your worth and what you will and won't stand for, and you don't want to explain to someone how to fucking show up for you, do you know what I mean? Like I'm sick of explaining. Okay, if you want to be my friend, these are my boundaries, or this is how you see the boundaries. They should

be very clear. You just want to meet someone that just gets it and is like yourself, you know what I mean? Like that's like best case scenario. Yeah she should. Karina shouldn't have to explain to Paul that you should not have caught on a day with another one honestly, and just like the was it playing dumb or was it just like he genuinely thought that was an okay

thing to you, And I don't know what's worse. So he'd be the type to like other girls Instagram bikinis, like those first chaps and be like, oh what I was just is a beautiful woman. I was just curious. I was just curious. That's my favorite quote the matter of this season. Imagine if he comes out with merch do it mate do something off the everye. I think at least one person every year comes out with my own Marge. I think Tony's already done it this year?

Has he Tony time? Okay apparently? But can we talk about Jackie and clear Okay, that was the biggest bombshow right? Well, I honestly I have time for them, Like I think it's hilarious, honestly, like, and you know what, and my one thing that I would defend Jackie sis is a manifestor. She manifested getting a successful man, all her things that she ticked off her list she had, so honestly, I

can't even hate, cannot hate on it. And I think that whatever approach she took fair enough, but she got what she wanted in the end, and honestly happy for her, truly, Like maybe things weren't handled in the best possible way, and I think there could have been a bit more sensitivity with Ryan and how he's informed about it. But again we don't know what the dynamics were like because he was said, like a couple of days BEFO for Final Vours, they spoke and they didn't really know what

was happening. They were friends and then these links some messages. I don't really know. It seems like maybe they kind of both mutually agreed to stay till the end. I don't know. And then obviously when he asked her about their relationship, they didn't really say anything about it. I did find hilarious. Clint was like, we're not fucking friends. I was. I just didn't think that was nest that he said. It was just so gressful. Yeah, I have to call him out though. The Western Sydney needs to stop.

Western Sydney is a majority of Sydney babes. That's like anything past itself and new town Western Sydney. So why why you talk about the significant population and what like, what's the undertones there? Yeah, so called people. I don't know because I'm originally from Adelaide and I didn't understand this east suburb western like, so there's certain suburbs where if you say you're from there, your people's heads will either turn and be more respectful, more open versus like

they will be like no like judgment. I think the general judgment, which I think isn't entirely accurate, but is that Western Synty is the lower socioeconomic area, which is completely not true, but that was obviously the sentiment that

he was trying to get out. I don't know, I think it's offensive because you look at West City, it's a lot of ethnic people, whereas on this side of let's just go from like Newtown, right, I think you got one side and it goes more ethnic and then you've got like a lot of white people on the other side. And like the eastern suburbs is predominantly white people, so I think, and like Northern Beaches white people. Like that's just how it is, and that is just what

it's like. And I think when you're making comments like that, it just does not sit right with a majority of people. It's like, what is the underlying message that you're trying to get out when you're saying that, because it's like at the same time, like Ryan Boardy's own place, like I think that should be like appreciated no matter where it is, like Okay, cool, you've had a successful career,

you've got your porsches, whatever. I think there's nothing more ecky to me than a rich person that talks about being rich and like, yeah, like why were we like why are we judging like anyone and who cares would you even say? And you know there, I don't know if you've been following along on their TikTok. There are a lot of tiktoks that Clinton and Jackie are making

and they're saying that they're going into business together. Oh okay, Like what a shitty move to like, you know, talk shit about a big city of like Sydney, which yeah, like millions of people. Yeah, when you're about to start a business together, that's weird to me. Yeah. There was a lot of negativity around them, like moving so quickly and all of all of that, right, which I think

is not fair in a sense that relationships move. However, the time to work for both people obviously you've got factors like age and just where you're at in lives. So I think I don't really think it's too soon. I mean the moving in. I thought they moved in like much later. So I don't realize they've moved in because that was what four weeks. They've built a relationship within the four weeks after final of ours to the reunion, and then they were moving in after that, like a

month is pretty crazy. I don't even think it was a month from my understanding they only had three weeks we're talking to right like that is, but that's why everyone's suspecting, which makes a little bit more sense. Yes, so surely, I don't know. I don't know. I do think, I mean, every relationship to their own. I think anyone that's pushing to move in that rapidly it is a bit of a red flag. Do you reckon? I don't know.

I just think personally from my experience, I wouldn't have wanted to move in with my partner how quickly it happened. And I know you go through the experience, like the experiment and you do that, but I think it really

escalated our relationship to a negative point. And you don't you don't even get a date anyway when she got on the show, right, So you're not dating, you're not going on dates, you're not having that really fun period of what it's like to date someone, you know, that first two three months of like what it's like when you're like you're going out? Are you going to go back to theirs? Like there's a vibe there because they were long distance. I wonder if that had a true

or so was mine? Oh yeah, But I just feel like TASiS like you the country water, so you can't really date when you're like true far away. But it's very like the moving in is crazy, The movie in is crazy. Well, we saw at the viewing party there were two separate divides. There was the So dramatic viewing party and then the Daily Mail one. Clint and Jackie were at the So dramatic one and Clint proposes, yes, what do we think about that? We love the ring? Gorgeousous,

that is a diamond, like wow. I first of all, from my personal opinion, I would hate it if anyone did a public proposal to me, So any future prospects never do that. That is so fucking embarrassing and that is like my actual nightmare, so so much like that is worst case scenario for me. That or like your family being their worst case. Okay, so me watching it, I like felt sick, like me how I would feel if it was me. But cute for.

So that wasn't all the ads. And then they posted like a collab post with the Simon really, so that's why I'm like, so he didn't come about I don't know, but the rings worth like thirty K but like, wow, I'm so confused. I mean, look, I think any success story from Maths we've got to be happy about, yeah, one hundred yeah, or like who are we to jarge if they're happy and in love and what it would have been like now November December January like four or

five months? No, five months now, six month? That's like crazy, that's okay, Yeah, but they know they've been living together, Like I guess that's like a very sped up version of the experiment, you say, but like yeah, that's like that's fine. And Clint is forty something forty three, yeah, so like it's time. Yeah, right, and I think Jackie's like twenty nine or thirty. She just like I'm like, yeah, it's just like it just if it works, and it

works for them. Yeah, happy birthday Jackie. By the way, it was not her birthday of the day after he ye, so yeah, cure happy for them. Do you feel like it's weird that Clint decided to use the viewing party that fans had to pay. I believe it was sixty nine dollars for a meat and great drinks and to watch the show with the participants. Like, do you think it's weird that he chose then to propose? I don't know. It just depends like maybe they wanted to like give

back to the fans that have been supporting them. I don't know. We want to look at it, and maybe it was a part of the collab. Yeah, potentially, because he looked like visibly stressed as he was doing it, like he didn't yeah, Like I was like, wait, what is he saying right now? Like he looked like anxious about it? Yeah yeah, yeah, I yeah, it just why would you want the pressure of all of that on

top of like such a beautiful moment. But I think he really wanted it to be really special, so he probably thought, whilst the spotlight is on, Yeah, the tion is hot, let's just let's just do it. Yeah. Or do you know how Camon Jewles had like a sponsored wedding. I wonder if Channel nine would give them the sack. They will not, surely after all the rule breaks, they're not They're not getting any Chowel and I and special. It's not getting broadcast, they're not getting any. Look, she

might get her own sponsors. Maybe I'm all about that. I love seeing like wedding recaps and seeing like the Vogue weddings and like all the sponsors and the vendors. But I don't think he's on that level. But yeah, I feel like there's always a divide every year with the cart So it's interesting seeing the split of Hugh's

friends and who's not friends. But it's also hard to tell because we've seen like I was really shocked that Billy and Dave were at the so dramatic event, yeah, because I thought they were friendly with everyone else and it seemed like the majority of people went to the day the one or one so interesting, I know, but I heard that Jamie and Dave weren't on talking terms now, yeah, which kind of makes sense, Like I personally don't like

to give any more time for my exes. Like once we're done, we're done, like you you've lost all accesses to me. We are not friends, We're excess for a reason for sure. So I'm with Jamie on that. Yeah. Yeah, and then she just had to Yeah, they just had to choose what whoever was going to was like split, right, but Karina and Paul were at the same one. They seem to look like separate. Yeah, yeah, good old ol

ol Perkins was very random. Random. But we'll be joining next season honestly, or maybe another reality TV show What Else can You Do? Survivor or something? Yeah, not a

dating one. Yes, So we saw that Adrian didn't attend any of the events, but he was at like the he was at the Daily Mayor Noir after party, right, but I didn't really see any of him, Like there were a few videos of him, like the boys and I think Karina dancing on the dance didn't see him there, so it looks like he kind of just came and just and just left. Yeah, because I don't think I him on talking terms either. Yeah, I mean they wouldn't

be surely not. Yeah, and it would be hard to potentially because yeah, you'd want you'd want to separate all of that, And it would be hard to watch it back, Like I would really struggle, I think because I didn't have the experience of not being with my partner throughout the full filming process. I think I would really struggle to watch it all back knowing what the result was

if it wasn't a good one. Yeah, I think back and I was like, obviously, I feel lucky that my experience was very like, yeah, it was great, it was actually the best. But then, like even I watched back like our wedding, I was showing my roommate she hadn't seen her, and I was like, fuck, this is a hard watch. I was like, actually, don't not doing that again? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, as I can't, like I just can't look at that, and it's like makes me

sick knowing that that's like forever existing, I know. But yeah, it would be really hard to watch your back and like the reunion and be with everyone and like being nice but also really bad memories. I think that would be like so tough, so tough, Like I remember like Nova used to do this Nova dinner party where all the listeners and fans can like come and have dinner with us. And I remember Channel nine ringing me that was so much fun. They need to bring that back.

And they were like, right, we're gonna invite both you and Cody. But at this time we had already broken up. People had known, but the audience didn't know yet. Okay, so they were like, we want you guys to pretend to still be together. I'd sit together during dinner. Oh sorry, I'm mean to be a fucking diva, but fuck that. No, it's me or him. That was the one time I had my Mariah carry crown on and I was like being a full diva and I was like, sorry, it's

me or him. There was no way I was going to pretend to be cool with him when we were

so far from that. No. I think my advice for which I don't know if any of them need it, but I think if you're in the situation where you've ended with your partner, I don't think there's any The advice I got I'm not gonna say who from from a previous participant that ended her relationship was like, do not defend them because you're gonna regret it because they won't do the same for you, and it's just never gonna benefit you, and you're gonna look worse when you

do come out and things weren't so great how you made it, made it out to be so true. Any favors to them, And honestly, I'm glad I like listen to that. Maybe a bit too late, but I'm just like, yeah, do not do not defend them. They don't owe you anything, You don't own them anything, So do not do that. Facts. Yeah I wish I knew that too. Yeah, like just so yeah, absolutely not so anyone, Yeah, anyone from this

cast listening. Do not defend your partner if you break up, because it's gonna get messy and it's just gonna make it worse for you. Yeah. But if not, you always always have like a second or third chance with podcasts and stuff later on period. Yeah. So obviously off the back of being on Maths, you do get quite a big social media platform. I always love seeing what people do with it after the fat yep. So yeah, I'm really intrigued to see what the girls do, more so

because I don't really care what the boys do. But so Jamie is the most followed yep. She's currently on one hundred and ninety one K. Yep. Great. I think she I feel like And I was saying this to her because I met her a couple of weeks ago. I was just talking about like skincare and like saying it how like how taxing the experience is on and like my skin broke out, like it's just whole stressful,

You're eating crab like whole thing. And I was like, Babe, I can't wait for you to get skincare brand dealssadh. I'm waiting for it and I'm waiting to see what brand it is. Yeah. So I'm seeing for her a skincare collab long term ambassadorship yep. That Yeah, I feel like that's really aligned. It was so good seeing her at the reunion, like glowing makeup was on going. Yeah.

Just goes to show like the difference between like being in the relationship that doesn't serve you versus like you know your body is like rejecting it, Yes, and you could just see it like progressively like yep, it's I fully believe that means I I've always felt that when I've been in those dynamics. I'm like, like, what's happening? They look back at photos. I'm like, oh, yep, that's not right. Yeah, this might be a bit TMR. You

can cut this out if you want to. But I had some cervical cancer removed when I was twenty seven. My god, Yeah, and so that area has always been very sensitive and it has like limited my body's ability to conceive because like cervix is shorter anyway, basically since then, I was decided because you're serving sleep around, because it would it'd be like it comes to the whole thing

under the shot, right. But obviously I was married to Cody. Yeah, and every single time we tried even I'm telling you, they gave us so much loop. It was constantly bleeding to the point where our wellness did you guys have a wellness manager? Rene? She's gone, she's gone out, but she's gone. She was so good to us. So she booked me in with a guy no, a doctor first, and a guy no. It was a whole way. Yeah, She's like, do you want me to come to the

appointment with you? Oh? Come, I know. She's so like Channel nine they do look after us like she was she was one of my favorite Yeah, yeah, but it just goes to show like that whole time my vagina was crying and it was saying stop seriously like I mean like it was like it would enter and it would be like Karamia river, like so much blood, Like it just constantly kept because that's not like you should not really be bleeding. But that was yeah, and that

was like I've never experienced it. And when I went to have my my everything, everything was fine and since interesting. Yeah, now that I've been with my partner, now I don't have that anything nothing. It's so funny, but it's literally like whatever is happening inside you just is like yeah, your body would tell you. I literally felt not the same thing. But I just did not want to have sex. Oh really, I was just not really like it. I was like, oh my god, am I like getting old?

Yeah yeah, yeah, I like what I was like, what the fuck's wrong with me? Because I've never had an issue where I never felt like I had a low libido or like ye didn't want to have sex. And then towards like so tam I, but I reckon the last like six months elation. I just like was like not interested. I just felt like sick about it and

I just was like not feeling good. I just was like I didn't want to do it, and then it felt like I just like I just was like no, I don't like what like something was just like no, no, no, no no no, I just don't know what it was. And then after that ended, and then I knew it wasn't you wasn't an issue because then when I like did someone else, it was fine. But I was like, how interesting because I was like, oh my god, is this what happens? Like? Am I old? Like like I

was just a googling how like what age? Do you not want to have sex with you? Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah yeah. And I was like, fuck, this is not normal. What's wrong with me? And I was like, oh no, it's just the person. I just have to quickly add just in case that do I say this, like my partner now is so much bigger. I didn't want people to think it kept bleeding because so much bigger. Yeah,

And that's how I know that it was fine. Seriously though, seriously, because I remember telling domin Ellavis, I'm like, I keep bleeding. I don't know what's wrong with me? And like Dom's like, babe, just have some sniffs, some ammal what's that? Shut up? It like relaxes your whole. I don't want to try that. But yeah, they were like, oh my god, is he really that big? And I was like, no, he's not. He was just like a normal average Yeah. Yeah, but

my body was like nuts. Sorry, yeah, that's so interesting, but it's just like, yeah, goes to show your body is like get away. Your body will tell you when something is not right and someone's not right for you. So listen going on to she's got one hundred and sixty, what do you think she's like? I see like mummy stuff for her, like cute kind of trying to see

her doing a lot of stuff with Cleo. Yes, sister, and then yeah that kind of yeah, and like beauty as well, she's got a weave and yeah, she's always got nice makeup on and stuff. Yeah, love Karna. I feel like same same kind of stuff, beauty fashion. I think she's also like a brand. I think, so we'll see how that, see how that goes. Yeah, surprised actually didn't get more. Yeah, I'm actually surprised at her because she's like I don't like one hundred k ish, but

like Jamie's like doubled, which is so interesting. That's why I feel like love Koreana nothing against her, but I don't know. I still felt like maybe the connection, like yeah, I feel like it was very clear Jamie was like giving her all and that she was very transparent, Like just the way she showed up was very her, yes, good and bad, And I think that resonated with people because they see the authenticity ess and maybe they just

don't feel that with her. So I'm also like fine because if she's gonna, if she's has that anxiety about how she's perceived by the public, that's fair too. So that's the thing. But my advice for the next cast because I think we always say like just be yourself, but I've changed my mind. I want to rephrase that yourself be your most feral fucking self. That is what

your publish itself. Yes, you're absolutely honestly, Oh, I could do part of me thinks if I could do my time again, I think I would have just been in the drama. I would have just stirred it up for the ships and gigs, and I would have just like been a hot mess express because that's hilarious. That's what we want to see in reality TV. Yep. I think you've got to approach it in a fun way. Maybe if it was like I wasn't in the dynamic with my partner that I was, I probably would have been

a bit more like that. But give us what we want to see. Yeah, Like, if you want to cry, cry, if you want to have a go at someone, do it. Yeah. If you want to throw a glass of wine, do not punch throw them, yeah, just throw them. Do not start a sentence with I'm no racist, but fucking put your partner first in the photo challenge. Oh dude. If there's one thing any future participants can take out of it, put your partner first in that goddamn challenge. It is

not that hard. Seriously, it's so hard to watch, honestly. And if you don't feel it, lie Yeah. Why is it that men can lie off the cuff when they do need to, but when they have to lie, they can't. They can't do it. I know I would never understand. Oh, now, miss Queen Jackie, who's been jack jack White, I guess open online, which she's been very naughty. Honestly, give us

podcast gabes. Yeah, as a podcast, I would be listening because she's sitting her actual mass account is sitting on forty k, and then her second account, which is her jewelry page. You're sitting on sixty seven, kay, which she's the one she's gone like completely roll on yep. Yeah. Honestly, people obviously seem to be loving the like commentary and like I see the tiktoks come up, like people just

ripping her lives and like putting them up. Yeah, like just like her answering like questions and stuff, So give us more of that. People obviously love it. Yeah, what do you think their business is going to be because they don't said coming. Maybe it's gonn like dog merch or something dogs that could be cute or like golf stuff. I don't know. But then she's got her Duray life. I think they could be like maybe just like an

e coom oh yeah, drop shipping. Who knows what interesting to see the boy the Okay, So Dave not shocked about him having the most followers I see. For Dave, I don't have no idea he's going to do something that we're gonna not expect, something completely rogue and we're gonna be like, oh, okay, that's kind of cool. I still don't I don't know. Honestly, he could be on the block. Oh yeah, the block would work him and Billy on the block. I heard that he has got

a manager now as well. I think a lot of like I did it around this time, I would say, the show wraps up, you get a management and get the direction that you want to want to go. Yeah, I actually know his manager, so we're getting the club. But no, I don't know. I don't know what he's thinking of doing. So I'm quite intrigued because I didn't really see that for him. I didn't think he'd get a manager. I didn't think he would do anything. Maybe

he's only something rogue like acting or something. I don't know. I feel like because he is his bio says that he's a builder, but he's not a builder. He's he does like silicon Yeah, things so satisfying, kind of want to it's so fun to watch. And then I believe Billy is in construction as well. Oh is he? Yeah? Honestly get him on the back. Yeah, And then like, because I remember ol he's a carpenter. I just feel like the Trady guys. They get such good money. Well, yeah,

why would you don't know? I want to do anything else? Yeah? True? At least I've always got that to fall back on. Yeah, true, Yeah, I wonder because what would they get like a Gillette or like partnership like tools or bunnies or something. Yeah, but the mass audience don't girls bros like I would love to see them figures of what the female male split is, because I'm telling you it's probably like at least seventy percent women. I'd say more. Yeah, because they're

quite good looking as well. I'm sure there would be a huge female audience. True, hey guys, and yep, you can't forget about the in betweens because Billy is sitting on ninety eight k at the moment, which she's pretty good considering he didn't even well, the guys usually don't get much of it, so that is pretty good. But he left like what week three? True? Actually, do you know what I mean? That's true oppressive And the show

hasn't wrapped up in the UK either. You'll get a lot because of the they will rack up audiences and Elliott popping off on his tick. No, I'm so intrigued about this like story arc change for him and like him just getting this redemption, don't I feel about it because something about him. I still just like don't trust. Yeah, but like I do find it funny. So yeah, I think I just I don't know. I just feel like Veronica perten, she was done a bit dirty in the edit.

I just don't believe everything that I saw. I feel like the reunion, like she was there like cricket show her at all. I don't think she said. We saw a single word from her nothing. Yeah, I don't know, And I feel like she was obviously just based on how I saw things play out in my season, I feel like she's reacting to stuff that we aren't seeing and her her energy is obviously because of something, and I'm just like, what is that? I agree, So I

don't know, I'm see more of that. Yeah, And it's like why do they have like why does he have this such like nastiness towards her? Like they weren't even together for that long, but it keeps dragging her and I just like, don't fuck with that energy. So because she hasn't said peep about him nothing, so that kind of says a lot. Yeah, what a season? What a season? Seriously, I think my only I guess thoughts is just I'm disappointed with the lack of respect the cast have had

for the process of airing. And just like the show. I think it's been like every year we see things get leaked, every year, there's all of that, but I just think this year was taken to a whole other

level and I think it did really ruin the show. Yep. Yeah, it's like hard to like, I know, obviously we're in the space, so we're seeing a lot of it, but it's hard to like ignore it when you're seeing it so thrown in your face all the time, and I think that, Yeah, it is annoying, but it was great, Like the casting was on points yeah, and the drama the tea was just like the next level. Yeah. I

don't know. I feel like maybe Channel and I need to do something this time, like either withhold a bit of their pay I reckon, or pay them more the more that they like be quiet. Yeah, I don't know, something like that to be an incentive for them to not because why would that be a storyline? Why don't they And that's why I can't even hate on them

for doing it, because you're going to defend yourself. If I felt like I was in the position that I looked really bad and I needed to say something, yeah, I'm gonna be defending my self because what are you're doing to help? Nothing? Is what like is what they're doing. So I think, yeah, kind of respect them for doing it, but I think it's like the way you can do

things can be a bit more with discretion. But yeah, I mean, we're not them, so it's hard to like, it's hard to say you're hard to say, yeah, what's your overall thoughts? It was just chaotic, honestly, and I personally couldn't really bond or relate to anyone in particular. And that's what I loved about Mass. I would hear someone's story and I'd be like, oh my god, I

could really relate to that. The only thing I could relate to was Billy's trauma with his dad with not talking to him for a while and then you know, flying over wanting to connect and then his dad was like, yeah, no, because had that happened to me in October? Yeah, And that was when I was like, nah, I'm not done with my family. It's cool love and light. Yeah, but that was the only thing I could really connect to because I felt like that was real and that was

raw and I could connect with that. But apart from that, there was nothing else that I could be like, Wow, yeah, I feel that when I say that, be yourself, like talk about your traumas, like really lean into the process that word. But you know what I mean, Just be your rants itself yep, ratched rants itself. Yeah, it's our our feedback and advice. Ye. So obviously it's been a crazy season, crazy fact reality season for us as well. So sad that it's coming to an end, and it's

been a lot. I feel like we've really been thrown in with the madness of maths and just everything going on. Yeah, but now it's like a nice way to tie up their season back to reality season and I guess we'll see you guys next season.