Jeremy's Getting Real

Hey, well, welcome back to bet you a Happy Hour.

I'm Joe, I'm Serena.

We are here today with Jeremy. Jeremy Welcome. We're in studio. Of course, this is a big interview.

Yeah.

Yeah, I've been feeling.

I've been feeling I've been feeling good. Yeah, try to stay off the internet, so really spirit with the exception of right after the episode, and I respond to a few comments overall them pretty.

Good, okay, yeah, nice real Yeah, well, you know, I know on the internet.

So yes, I mean, listen, it could be tough. It could be I mean, it's it's very tough getting judged by millions or I don't know about millions, but a lot of people.

No, you don't know. Yeah, yeah, and I can see how many people look at my profile really yeah.

Yeah, it's been Uh, you're on the internet.

Okay, so let's let's kind of get let's get right into it. We don't really need to know about how you got on and all that, because we've talked to you before.

Right now.

First things first, you're down on the beach. You hit it off with Bailey. She's also talking to Kyle. She ends up choosing you. After that Row ceremony. Where was your relationship at at that point?

Yeah, I think, you know, when I went down to the beach, I think I knew a lot of people who were going to be there. Bailey i'd met for like five seconds before. I didn't really know anything about her, and she really took me, you know, by surprise. Just happened to be sitting next to her and we had a good conversation and she was like, she had such a positive energy and her smile and she's obviously beautiful.

Yeah, as a viewer, it definitely seemed like you guys had a very strong connection r A F the bat, Like, the chemistry is very obvious. There were you surprised when she picked you over Kyle or did you feel pretty confident?

No? I was. She told me she was gonna give me the rose, so I wasn't I wasn't surprised.

Yeah, Okay, So then the following week Susie comes down. She asked you on a date. Yep, tell us about that date. You seem pretty happy to go. Make sense that you would go because it's early on.

Had you met Susie before.

I never met Susie before. No, we we'd followed each other. I didn't think I was going to be asked on a date. But then I found out that I was like the only one who talked to her the night before, So I guess that makes sense. And yeah, so I went on the date and it was a lot of fun. Like it's I think it's hard to go jet skiing in Costa Rica and not have fun. And I think that like both with Susie and Bailey. I don't think I was expecting like either of them, right, and I

Of course, what drew you in with Susie because we see you've obviously spent quite a few days with Bailey. I think at this point, like it's obvious that there's the connection there, but this one date with Susie has kind of made you feel really torn.

What about Susie drew you in so much.

Yeah, it's tough because I had spent a few days with Bailey, but at the same time, it's still early on. I didn't want to close myself off, and Susie's a great girl, and I think we had a great conversation and you know, we were smiling and laughing a lot on the date. And I think that's what made it tough, is that I wasn't expecting to be in that position.

If you would have known that Susie was going to self eliminate, would you have given her your ros No?

I know, you know, I made the comments about thinking that Susie was going to be there, which is true. I had a feeling that you know, you know someone as and Justin might extend the rose to her. But I don't think my decision would have changed. I still would have given Bailey the rose.

When you told Bailey that you were going to go on the date with Susie, what did you expect her reaction to be.

I don't I don't know if I had an idea of what her reaction would be. I think she kind of reacted the way that I thought she might, because she's like a pretty cool girl. We were only there for a few days. I don't think she was going to say no, and she was just like, yeah, you know, go on the date. You know if you still want to be with me after, like, I'm.

Going to be here when Susie goes home.

I would imagine as much as you were confident in your decision with Bailey, there was probably still this gray area of you may have continued exploring both women. Because we're learning from you guys that come on the podcast, how quick the turnarounds are happening this season. Like usually on our season you had like two or three days with someone for a row ceremony. Now it's like bang, someone comes in the next day, you have to make a decision.

Yeah, so we I came straight back from my date with Susie to getting ready for the cocktail party.

Yeah that's wild.

Yeah, it's wild. I think Susie was there for like twenty four hours. I think that, let's just say, for whatever reason, I gave Susie the roseen set of Bailey, I probably would have been having the same thoughts about Bailey too. You just have no idea, like you're basing it off of such a limited amount of time with someone.

Okay, So then the following day Andrew comes in. This is where things start getting a little slippery. Bailey gets asked on a date and you, yeah, for a lack of better words, kind of lose your shit. Why And did you not, like, in the moment, think like she was so cool about me doing this, you know, twenty four hours ago.

Yeah, I think I didn't really think in the moment we should work on that. I think the reason why I was upset was based on the conversation we had the night before, which is when Bailey was like, I'm here for you only so in my mind, when someone tells me that, it's not like, oh, I'm here for you until someone comes in tomorrow and asks me on a date.

Did you plush when she said I'm here for you only did you say, well, what if somebody comes down?

Uh?

No, I didn't. But we had had a conversation not that night but earlier which I told her I'm like, listen. And this was even before Susie came down, So in the first few days where I was like listen, like I like you, but if someone comes down and asks me on a date, like I'm going to go on the date type of thing. So yeah, I felt like a little misled. But that being said, I still shouldn't have reacted to the way that I did.

Like that happened.

I watched myself on TV, like I look like a child. Yeah, right, Like I'm thirty one years old. I probably haven't acted like that since I was like nine years old. And then do it on camera, and then you do it on camera, and you're doing it in front of millions of people, Like obviously I understand. While I'm getting some some hate for that, I wish I didn't react like that, but yeah, it happens, and I just got to, you know, live with it and and that's the decision I made in the moment.

Your frustration from watching it, from what you're telling it seems to come from the fact that, yeah, you felt misled. You felt like she had said, like, hey, I'm only here for you, and we do see that conversation happens, so like you can kind of see where the miscommunication

No, I don't think it made her break my decision. I think I would have given Bailey the rose anyways, but like maybe I would have been like less annoyed, okay, and how I reacted, But either way, like I I'll be the first one to say I should not have reacted like that.

Do you think that you were like locked in on Bailey at that point or where you still opened goin dates you were just really surprised that she also was.

It's a good question. I don't remember exactly, but I think I was like locked in enough that I wanted to give her my rose and keep exploring after I just went on this date. I don't think that I was like expecting to go on another date, which I didn't. But yeah, like I get from like everyone's point of view, like I just went on the date, Like why wouldn't you extend that grace to to Bailey without getting upset? Like, I get it. I see both sides.

No one's perfect. Yeah, made a mistake. No one's perfect.

You know it is. I get it.

Like watching it, I'm like, Jeremy, what the fuck are you doing? But like I understand, like I could be in that situation and just have gotten lost in the situation and freaked out in the moment, and you make a mistake.

Yeah. I think people who know me know I'm like a pretty chill dude. And if you don't know, when you saw that, you'd be like, this guy's fucking crazy. Yeah, And I get that, And that's what happened, and I can't take it back, and I just gotta gotta move on and learn from it.

We're all a little crazy, that's why we, you know, go on reality.

Yeah if you were, if you were, if you.

Were completely normal, you wouldn't be on the show.

Yeah, there's that.

So we see that.

Your response to Bailey going on this date with Andrew is you go to a producer, you go to interview, and you're like, I want Susie back.

Walk us through.

Nice move.

What about Bailey's decision to Andrew to go on this date with Andrew triggered you wanting to bring Susie back? Like, give us some more insight into your thought process here, even if you weren't thinking, like what was the emotion really hesitated.

Thinking that much? But like it was as simple as like she had said this to me. I feel betrayed. I had a tough time deciding who to give the rose to. Let's call Susie. Yeah, but like obviously Susie said no, Like if she said yes, I don't even know like what I would do, Like I really wasn't thinking.

That was gonna be the follow up question. Yeah, you have no idea. Have you thought about that at all?

Like what Susie said, Oh you know what, I actually just pulled out. We're going to turn the car around. I'm coming back right now.

Like it's it was. It was a heat of the moment, obviously, you know, I don't like to live with regrets. I wish I handled it a bit differently.

How do you actually handled it more maturely? What would that have looked like?

Sleeping on it?

Yeah?

Yeah, okay, okay, So Susie ends up not coming back. Now, why not tell Bailey this kind of immediately, just like hey and I got once, you guys got back together. Once she came back from her Andrew date and she chose you, why not just come clean and be like, this.

Is what I did. You're gonna see it anyways.

Yeah, watching it back, that is one thing I definitely wish I did differently, especially because I am a fan of communication, Like I could have just told her then. I think my reasoning at the time was like, she just went on this date. You know, she's having conversations with this guy, kissing this guy. I'm not hearing about any of this. I'm having a conversation with this girl. I don't need to tell her about it. But something that I did I said in many interviews if things

Okay, So that's where.

So that's also I think where you're going to get people even now listening to this have a hard time. I believe you, because I don't think you're lying, but I do think people will hear them and be like, well, you had eight days, it seems like your relations ship did progress. Yeah, did you still didn't tell her?

Listen. I'm in a position where if I become like even a little bit defensive, people are like, oh, like he's a liar. He's just like, yeah, whatever, blaming it on stuff like it's a tough line to, you know, to to walk on. But the truth is, like I was having like thoughts of telling Bailey the whole thing with we saw in episode seven. The only reason I actually didn't tell her that night was because, like I went to sleep. That was my one night to catch

Her, let's take let's take a few steps back, just because I want to talk about you. You being in your room telling opening up to Brian about you still having feelings for Susie helped me out with I guess the timeline from that conversation to like when you and Bailey got pairedop as a team.

Yeah, I will say first off, like that conversation conversation itself, I don't remember it all happening. I think Brian might even say some of it like the same thing, But they were all just like their comments, some of them were jokes. You could even like if you go back, I say, I'm kidding in them, and I'm also the type of person I'll just say whatever. I'm not going to, you know, filter for the camera, whether I mean it or not.

Well, I knew you were joking when you said I hate the Goldens because I could tell that one.

Yeah, I was worry about monologues that are going on.

Yeah, that was clearly a joke.

But the whole timeline between, like from the Susie phone call through those comments, it took place over three days and we were filming for over three and a half weeks. So I mean, that's like the unfortunate part of all of this is that, like there are so many good moments and like me and Bailey, our relationship develop a lot from like that part out, but there was so much focus on three days, which were stretched across three episodes that like, of course people are gonna focus on that.

It seems like you and Bailey had this like we're both exploring.

You know, you explored with Susie. She explored with.

Andrew, and this kind of like don't ask don't tell policy at the beginning of your relationship where it's like, Hey, I don't want to hear about your date. You don't want to hear about my day. We're doing other stuff. We both know it, but like we're not going to talk about it.

Yeah, what's the thought process going on in your mind of like I'm having these conflicting feelings of like I don't know if I'm one hundred percent locked in on Bailey, but I know she's one hundred percent locked in on me.

Like where do you draw that line? Because it seems like you draw where you're like, I'm not going to talk about anything related to choos until I feel like I absolutely have to. But now as the viewer, it does feel like there's like lying byomission happening.

Yeah, and that's unfortunate because I don't I don't think of myself as a liar. I get why people could see it that way. By watching the show, it was essentially like we were both exploring other people. We weren't talking about it. If this turns into something real, like we will have a conversation about it.

When did it turn into something real?

Ye? For me? Like the switch for me really happened, like when it became like the competition aspect, we obviously were learning a lot about each other anyways, but like we were so locked in on each other, and it really felt like from my part, like feelings were really starting to develop. And even though kind of the competition takes place over like four episodes or so, that was

After that, did you guys have a conversation at all about like, Okay, we're are we boyfriend girlfriend?

Like where what is our relationship status.

At this point?

Yeah?

No, in the future weeks, maybe you'll have to tune in on ABC and Hulu.

Yeah, okay, on your date, the date seems great, Like you're seeing your relationship kind of flourish, is it at all in the back of your mind of like, but at some point I'm going to have to tell her this information that's going to really.

Hurt her one hundred percent. And there was even a point in the data where you could see on TV where I'm like telling her I'm like, you kind of like caught me off guard with the date you were going on, Like obviously I'm thinking about that, but like, who wants to ruin this like amazing day with that? And then literally the next day was when she found out in your.

Mind, what would have been like the perfect time to tell her if you had the chance to do it on your terms.

So, like I said, I was thinking about doing it that night, I chose to get sleep, and I like, I can't beat whatever it happens, Like she found out a different way, and like we just needed to move on from that.

When Jesse came down and basically introed a whole new show, a competition show, and said, no one else is coming down, were you guys like locked off at that point? Or would you if people were still coming down? Do you think Bailey or yourself would have gone on another day?

No, neither of us wouldn't would have gone on another date.

Okay, yeah, so you guys were You may not have been boyfriend girlfriend, but you were exclusive in paradise terms.

Yeah, and I think we both kind of said that in interviews. Okay, yeah, okay, yeah.

All right, let's dive into the big episode where Bailey finds out. So before we get into it, we do see that Spencer and Alex both Stadio on separate occasions.

We don't know exactly when it's just like clips.

Back saying like, you have to tell Bailly this information, like she has to know and everyone here knows except for her. Were you at any point worried that someone would tell her before you got the chance to?

I don't. I don't think I was worried because again, like I didn't think it was anyone's place too, even though they had the information. I don't know how everyone found out about it obviously, like it's a small beach and people talk. I told a few people about it, but then then words spread. But no, I wasn't worried because I still thought it was like my place to tell her.

Gotcha?

Okay, So Brian decides to tell Bailey. We see this whole rendezvous thing happened first where she comes to you and says like, hey, Brian asked me to go for this rendezvous. Did any part of you think, Oh my god, I wonder if he's going to tell her.

Were you like, is he trying to hit on Bailey?

Like?

What even is happening.

No, the phone call wasn't even like a thought in my mind. Like even the conversation with Brian from like a few weeks PI, I don't even remember having that, Like I didn't even realize that he knew that information, like the week the episode before when there's that whole like Godfather scene between me and Brian, and I think people think it's about the phone call. That's not what it was about. I'd even told him in that conversation

Yeah?

I found it odd.

Do you think do you think Brian told Bailey because he felt bad for Bailey and cared about her? Or do you think Brian told Bailey because that's a competition and want it you gone?

What do you think?

What do you think?

What do you think? I Brian and Bailey were not friends again?

They Wren because he's he as a viewer, he's I love Bailey.

Oh I saw it. Yeah, I didn't see that in person on the beach. I don't think anyone did. I think he was trying to play a game and he thought it was it was a good move.

Okay, Yeah, how is it? Watching back that conversation between Brian and.

Bailey, Like, I just wish that he had like came up to me first. And of course people are gonna be like, oh, you had your opportunity. Sure, I still think you should have came to me first. At the end of the day, I can't control what someone else does. It was it was a hard watch obviously. I don't like seeing Bailey like that.

But yeah, yeah, she then comes to you, wakes you up out of your deep, deep slumber.

Real quick, real quick, though, real quick. Keep going.

But I just want to ask this real quick, from a competition standpoint, as this game is, as the show is somewhat changed, do you fault Ryan for doing it? If it was a move, if it was if it was a move to get you out of the competition.

No, I don't fall Okay, yeah, but it's going off that I don't think it was out of a goodness of his heart or like a friendship loving thing. I think it was a It was a move, and it was sure well played. I don't think it worked, but yeah, okay.

Nice Bailey wakes you up.

The shot of you half asleep to like wide awake is like just an incredible shot. I can't believe they got such a close up of your eyeballs on camera.

There were a lot of cameras, and it's just.

That moment of like you can see you going from like what happened? Like you're probably thinking like, oh, did you go on the rendezvous?

What happened? And then it's just like shock. So obviously you were not expecting this.

Tell us about that conversation between you and Bailey when she's asking what happened? You know, we hear her say like do you want to be with her?

She really distraught.

Yeah, I honestly don't even remember like the first minute of that conversation. So, like I said before, that was going to be like my night to catch up on sleep. I was in like such a deep sleep and I

Okay, can you give us a little bit more about.

What was said in that conversation between you and Bailey, Like what is she saying to you?

What are you saying back to her?

Yeah, because it almost seems as if you were. It almost seems like Bailey's crying and then and she's almost like apologizing to you for being upset.

Yeah, just give us more insight into the conversation between the two of you. Yeah, like you're saying, you know, I apologies were given, Like, tell us about those apologies.

Yeah. I I apologize for a bunch of things, obviously for the phone call first off, Secondly for not telling her, thirdly for her needing to find out from someone else that that wasn't me. She was very upset, which and I hate seeing her cry. So I really just like wanted to, you know, make sure she was in an okay headspace, like as okay as she could be. And I wasn't going to try to like I wasn't going to try to like influence her or sell her on being with me. I'm like, I fucked up. I want

What did you think when you woke up in the morning, What's going to happen? Did you think she was going to leave her stay?

I really didn't know. She she was like an hour late to our walk, which I don't blame her. She had a she had a rough night, so I think at first I was like kind of nervous. There was a part of our convers station where like I asked her like, like, do you even want to accept my rose like later because it was the same day as a rose ceremony, and she said yes. So we kind of just like talked about things out. There was a part shown where she's asking me about the comment about

Right after that comments very obviously a joke everyone out here that thinks that you were actually planning and proposing to Susie.

For a day, but I get it. But like when when she asked me, like, I genuinely, like I swear to God on camera, I don't remember saying that.

Yeah, yeah, were you cringing when it was aired back and you were like.

And something that me and Bailey talked about in that conversation was like listen, like even if there were comments made about Susie, like you know how joking I am like me and Bailey between us, we would joke about Susie. So I'm like, no, I didn't say that, but if things were said like like I want to be with you, just to be very clear, yeah, okay.

So now we see what seems like the rest of the cast, or most of the cat I want to say, all of them are pretty upset at Brian for telling Bailey Yeah why.

I think there are a few reasons. I think one, they don't think that Brian should have inserted himself into someone else's relationship when he had his own relationship to work on. That was first. Second off, I think that as much as Brian wants to say like, oh I love Bailey, I'm friends with her, I don't think anyone actually thought that. And I thought they were doing it as like a gameplay, a strategic move. To like maybe

What part do you think Bailey was the most upset about out of the entire thing, Like the phone call, the comments that you're not telling her her you potentially still being like wanting Susie, Like, what do you think the biggest piece of it was.

I mean, I think all of it plays in a factor. I think she was obviously upset that I didn't tell her, and I would be too. I wish I did it before, but I can't go back and change that. I also think she was definitely upset that, like some of her friends didn't tell her. Yeah, it's she was in a really shitty position.

Were you surprised by everyone's reaction to what Brian did.

That, they were like going after him.

Yeah, were you surprised that the rest of the cast, or at least a lot of them, were in a way villainizing Brian for telling Bailey what had happened.

No, I wasn't surprised at all. I guess I could see why America was surprised, but I don't think anyone in the cast was surprised. I think he did it for a reason. And yeah, you.

Think that the core of why they were mad at Brian was that he did it for malicious reasons and self serving reasons.

Yeah, I think so what did you know?

We we see in this episode Brian is kind of like backtracking with you of like what he did, Like like I got you, like.

I owe you?

What was the conversation before that? Did you guys like talk? Did he apologize? Like where are you? Where do you guys stand?

It definitely comes across like, hey, I know that I did something that messed with your relationship last week. I feel guilty about it, but just know that moving forward, you have my loyalty. And it's hard to kind of get a read on exactly how you're feeling where you stand on that conversation.

Yeah. I as much as I didn't like how he went about the whole thing with Bailey, I respected that he came up to me and tried to talk to me about it. I don't respect still what he actually did, but I do like that he came up to me. But that wasn't going to like change you know, how I was going to vote or anything like that.

Do you?

And you may not know the answer to this, but where does Bailey stand on the Brian of it all?

Is she? I can't speak on her behalf?

Okay?

Yeah?

Was she defending Brian after everything went down when everyone was mad at him?

I don't exactly remember, but I mean she was obviously, you know, happy that someone told her about the call and that was Brian, So I think, you know, she defended him in that sense, But yeah, I don't really remember it. Yeah.

Yeah.

In terms of her relationships with the girls that were her closest friends, we don't really see much fallout other than maybe a little bit of her conversations with Alex, and then in this next episode everything seems to be okay. Were there maybe conversations that we didn't see, Were people apologetic towards Bailey or did they really root themselves in the fact that, like, no one should have said anything and it should have.

Come from Jeremy.

I don't want to speak on something I don't know. I wasn't part of any of those conversations. I'm sure they were apologetic, but like I again, I really see both sides of it. It's like one of course, they want to tell her, but like on the other side, like they want to give me the opportunity to as well.

Got it? Okay?

Well, I think I mean for the most part, we pretty much covered all of it.

But I do ask anything, what about like all the good parts of our relationship?

We could talk about that.

Before we get into that, though, I want to ask who did you vote for this week to go Home?

What was it?

It was it Brian and Brian pars Shut?

Yeah, yeah, was that who you voted for?

Yeah? I think so. So.

I was gonna say we covered most of the most of it, But is there anything you do want to touch on as far as your relationship with Bailey and what people may not see.

No, I think it's just like, I mean, you're shown maybe zero point one percent of what happens. I get

At this point, At this point in your relationship in the show, are you guys having conversations about after the show?

Yet?

We definitely were talking about like life after the show and you know what it would look like where we would be living and things like that.

Got it.

Do you feel like all the drama that went down inevitably made you stronger? Do you think it set you guys back a pace?

Yeah, that's why. And like I was saying before, it's like I don't like to live with regrets, like the show and the stuff that happened went down, like how it went down, and we were really strong. So of course there were things that I wish I did differently, but like also everything that we went through made us

Nice all right, Jeremy, anything else you want to say before we let you go?

No, nothing, all the top of my ad.

Nice.

Well, yeah it was, I'm actually really glad we did this in person too.

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