From Human-Doing to Human-Being w/ Meenu

She does a beautiful job , as always , explaining that feeling I was feeling and how to kind of navigate that and things that we can do to pull ourselves out of it . So I hope you love this episode as much as I love recording with me and you . As always , you can find her information in the show notes .

Just go down to the show notes and click on her and if you want to book a session , definitely do that . Highly , highly , highly recommend . But yeah , let's get into wellness guys .

Like if you're truly depressed , definitely seek medical attention . This is just for those in between moments where you're just kind of like you know , I'm just here , I'm just I'm just riding the waves , if you will like , and I was like babbling on about it .

And then I was like , as I was going through the podcast and like kind of what I did because I'm , of course , mentioned you because I've learned so much from you , from working with you as my energy healer and life coach I was like , you know , initially , you know , menu says this could be contentment , because contentment is , you know , where you're not really

good , you're not really bad , and for me personally , contentment is hard because I'm so used to chaos . So I was like , you know , I don't know if it's contentment or if I'm just really unmotivated , like because I'm always go , go , go , go , go .

Well , then , as I was going through the things that I was recommending for me , for what I do , to get myself out of it .

It was all these busy things like busy work , like painting my grout in the bathroom , picking out a color for the walls to be painted , and it was always something to where I couldn't sit with my thoughts and be bored and so I was like let me get a professional on here who could actually like walk us through this and what this actually means , instead of me

just guessing , because I mean , you deal with this every day with your clients , so that's why I wanted you back on my podcast .

So , first of all , to tap into what you said , which is painting and doing all these other things to fill the space or fill the void , it's just you being a human doing and not a human being , right ? Right , because we're actually human beings , so we have to be .

But it's backwards because we live in a society which rewards us to do Right , so we're almost shamed to be . They're like oh , I'm not productive , why didn't you do anything today ? Oh , why didn't you clean the house ? Why didn't you get this done ? Why didn't you ? Why , oh , I'm not productive . Why didn't you do anything today ?

Oh , why didn't you clean the house ? Why didn't you get this done ? Why didn't you ? Why didn't you ? Why didn't you ? You know like it's like oh , the more you do , the more rewards you reap , but then what happens is , after we are quote , unquote done , we don't know how to reap the rewards .

Being is something we're not used to .

That's the mentality of america , right , like the land of opportunity , if you will , when really , like you said , it kind of backfires because , like , you watch these shows , like , of course , like of european cultures , where they're taking two and three hour lunch breaks , or you know they open at 11 , and they close at three , and you're just like what ?

Like that's actually a real thing .

I think it's also cultural , right , there's a lot of like cultural programs that also come because , at the end of the day , we are affected by the collective , however strong we think we are . We are affected by the waves . We are affected by everything you know . We can deny it and say , no , I'm in my own power .

Yes , you are , but we're also a community . We're also a tribe . Remember , we came from Thailand . I felt peace , right , and then I , when I came back to United States , I felt rushed . It was a clear difference in my energy . And I'm not saying I don't love United States because I freaking love United States .

Let me be very clear and say that I love United States , right , but it's not about that . It's the fact that we are sensitive . We do get affected by the cultural norms . We do get affected . So that's why it's important to be in your own space , in your own head , to ask yourself and say what's theirs and what's mine .

I recognize boredom , because I am , whether it just be like , oh , we can sleep in until nine today , or , you know , we're just going to leisurely do something , and there's no plans , there's no like specific itinerary .

I do feel like in my life I have to constantly have these moving pieces , which I know a lot of mine is childhood stuff Like just like we mentioned earlier , like always constantly having chaos , and I thrive in chaos , Like I truly do , and I think I try to create sometimes chaos in my own life , like I don't try to , but I just naturally create chaos in my

life because I feel weird or bored or I just feel like something's off , something's wrong , something isn't right . When I just have downtime to , I could like , okay , for instance , I could have downtime today and sit and be like okay , what are we going to think about the podcast ?

You know , next week , let's sit down and meditate on it , let's get creative , let's journal , let's go to , you know

, let's go to the internet . What are people talking ? What are people saying ? What are people ? Sometimes people will dm me , but I don't do that , I'll just be like I'm bored , I have nothing to do , I don't know what to do , I just feel uninspired when really there's inspiration all around us .

So I don't know why I keep saying I'm uninspired and unmotivated right and it's very interesting , because doing meditation is also doing so .

Maybe you can frame that in your mind when you know , like I've told you before , I try to meditate and it's like but to me it's boredom meditation like to me it equates to boredom , and I think it's just that sitting still right , like I I haven't , I even have a hard time sitting on the couch just vegging out on TV , like I'll do it occasionally , but like

I'll sit there for 30 minutes . I'm like I got to get up , I got to do something . I'm bored , like I'm being lazy .

So it's really interesting with like practices , like meditation and things like that , and me and my spiritual teacher we recorded an episode yesterday . We talked about . It is that unless you have a very strong motive or a reason as to why I should meditate , you will not meditate . It's that . It's that If it's just a checklist , you will not do it .

Okay , because you don't have a very , very , very strong purpose and a reason , right . So for you , you have to find out what is my purpose and what is my true reason . Why do I need this practice ? And it's not about want or desire , but need , because human beings are driven by need they're driven by , yeah you're right .

So unless you tap into that , you're still going to carry this judgment . Does that make sense ? So you have a lot of like , maybe journ , maybe going inward and asking what is it that I actually truly need you know for me so that I can sit still without judgment ?

That's something that's a very like Jonah question , which we try into by yourself when you're alone .

Individualized , like you would have to know more behind the stories , but like what creates that kind of feeling ? Like it's almost hard to describe , because you want to say it's like a motivation , uninterested , but sometimes it's not even that . It's just like I'm not happy , I'm not sad . I don't really know how to explain it interesting ?

Okay , because happiness is the most fleeting emotion there ever is okay , elaborate a little bit more on that .

So when people say happy , I'll take it just with a grain of salt and be like good for you and I'll just move on . I'm I'm never going to be interested and ask them oh why are you happy ? Like what you know , I'm not interested . No offense to them . It's just very fleeting for me .

Because I've talked to over 2000 clients in my lifetime , it's like I know that happiness is the most inconsistent forces ever .

So your happiness is totally dependent on something outside of you and so you're kind of screwed .

You talk about your business model and things like that . They're like , oh my gosh , she's so happy . You could be having the worst day of your life , but that is your business , so you have to get on there and show up , right . So we get someone's highlight reel .

Or we're looking at someone in amazement , like not seeing all the behind stuff , behind the scenes stuff that you had to go through personally to get to where you are , to be happy in your career and position . So like that also . I think it plays an aspect in it too .

When I make that tea , I feel that bliss . When I'm sitting and meditating , I feel that bliss . When I'm talking to you , I feel that bliss . When I'm looking outside after this rain and seeing how green the trees are , I'm feeling that bliss .

So for me , that is beautiful and that is everlasting , because those things are never going to go away which is finding happiness in small things which give you that bliss or give you that joy .

And I think when we do that , we give a lot of our personal power away to that person in the relationship to make us happy , or to that job to fulfill us , or even for the money to like fulfill us , and then when , in reality , nobody wants to hear this , but nobody actually has security , it's batshit crazy when I say this .

People don't want to hear it , but there is no such thing as control . Control is a big illusion , right ? Like today . We had a tornado watch in Nashville and nobody knew that this would happen today . So what does that say ? Even though you plan the day , you don't have control Right .

So what I'll say is set intentions instead of control , because when you lose control , people become more unhappy because they think they had it in the first place .

They don't have a big motivation , they don't have this big thing that they need to change or want to change , and that's their personal reason , right , right . They're not motivated by that external factor or that other thing that's on the other side . They're not motivated by that , so they don't change , like for me , for example .

I am motivated and driven by inner peace like no other , so I will do things every day to get there .

So on those times where you're not feeling that , or you wake up in that funk or you wake up in that mood because you're human you're not a perfect human you still have those moments , even though you practice bliss and peace and things like this . Have you ever had a moment where you've done your techniques whether it be meditation , tapping and nothing work ?

Yeah , last week , and then like , do you just ? What is your advice then ? Do you just sit with it , do you ? I know , I know you have told me like sometimes you just invite that energy because it's meant to be there . So you have told me like sometimes you just invite that energy because it's meant to be there .

So I had to deal with a lot of like emotions . I had to deal with a lot of like questions and self-inquiry and overall , the theme of the week was unsettling , right . So this is the thing . I did not create any story out of it . I did not create any meaning out of it . I sat with it and I was like this is what it is and it's okay .

And I still did my sessions . I still showed up for my clients . I still had a ton of work , I still did my workout . I still connected with my friends . Nothing changed . I didn't create a story out of an emotion . So when you create a story out of an emotion , you become victim to the story .

For example , if you wake up in a funk and you're trying to be like oh , why am I waking up in a funk ? I shouldn't be waking up in a funk . I feel awful for waking up in a funk . Oh , my mom told me I should never wake up in a funk and always have a smile on my face .

Oh , I probably woke up in a funk because I talked to my you know , like friend last night . I probably woke up in a funk because I did this . I did that . So what are you doing ? You're creating stories , which is you trying to find security or certainty of the funk ?

But instead of creating the story , if you ditch the story and sit with the funk , the chances are the funk is going to go away pretty quickly . We just got to sit with it . Just sit with it and let it move through you and do just do your day , as you would normally do , because you're not going to sit on the couch and do nothing all day . You still .

You're still going to show up for work , you're still going to wash your face , you're still going to brush your teeth , you're still going to take a shower . Like you have to think about it this way even though you have an emotion , that emotion is actually not controlling your life . You think it's controlling your life .

Right , the emotion was actually controlling your life . You would be in bed all day crying and sobbing , not doing anything . But I'm guessing that was not the case . Right Is for me and for most of the people that's not the case . So you think the emotion is controlling you , but it's not because you still have a life outside of the emotion .

And then I know that we did a podcast on like the whole optimism , pessimism , and that's where that kind of like comes in to , where when you are waking up in a funk or you're having that bad day and you kind of try to sit with it , you try to let it move through you , but it's kind of lasting a couple of days .

That's where my mind goes like am I just being negative ? Am I just being pessimistic ? Like why can't I just be optimistic ? Why can't ? And then that starts when I why can't I be this way ?

And imagine people started showing up on social media being really freaking honest . Then guess what , jonna , you wouldn't feel that way , right , because you feel a sense of belonging , you feel like you're not alone , right , you feel like you're actually a part of the collective .

But what's happening right now is the social media BS , which is like showing only the happy highlight reels of their day and their lives . So that actually puts us in more judgment of the funk or the stuckness .

So that's why we say it's really important to like declutter , it's important to take breaks , it's important to reflect what's really coming up for you , because most of the time sometimes you're just feeling other people's shit .

So I'll just say , if something is coming up and you're doing all your practices and there is something beyond you and the practices are not sticking or working , then it is time to look at those things and ask yourself what is that bigger force which is more than me , which is affecting my energy right now ?

So that is when I actually look at , you know , retrograde , oh , are we in pre-shadow ? Are we in post-shadow ? Are we in the phase ? For example , last week was all pre-shadow .

So I meditated , I still did everything , like I did everything , and I carried on with my day , but I was feeling you know the heaviness of it . And that's when I got curious and I checked and I was like , oh , okay , so it's in retrograde and it's in pre shadow . So if you ask me what retrograde means , I honestly have not looked into it deeply .

What I do know is that it causes delays . You know a lot of your past contact comes back in . It causes technological difficulties . You know they don't sign any contracts

. Don't do anything during this phase , because this phase that we have , the retrograde itself , is a phase of being . The retrograde itself is a phase of being introspection , journaling , doing everyday things , nothing outside the box , okay , nothing new . Like don't go and sign a property today , like don't sign an agreement , you know .

Like just don't do all of those things during it , because it's almost like , think about it this way , the forces are going backwards instead of forwards , so so you feel like you're being pulled back instead of pulled forward .

I feel like I'm going backward , like I know all these things that I'm supposed to do because I worked with me and you , I did this energy healing , but I feel like I'm going backwards .

And I think it's important to remember that , despite the retrograde , despite the full moon , despite the new moon , healing is never linear . So you'll take five steps forward , you'll take two steps down and then you'll question yourself because you're two steps down , but when you look back , you don't realize you're actually three steps forward .

So that's what is really important when you're feeling that funk . For example , even for you , when you felt meh , if you really looked back at your life , you were meh times 10 , like you see what I'm trying to say yeah , yeah , but you're just meh right now .

Right point is it is still this or better , right , it still gets to be better and it is better , right . But what happens is we get very caught up with the current emotion and the tide of the emotion that we think this is the reality . Again , what did I say about stories ? We create stories .

She's a creator , a content creator , and she does like videography and all these things Really cool . Her story is really cool . And she was like we were talking on the podcast and she was like yeah , you're a creator . And I was like no , not , no , not me , like what are you talking about ? She was like you have a podcast , you come up with topics .

You are then a creator . And I was like I've never thought about that before . So , like , it makes sense when I think about it . Would I consider myself like artistic ? No , I do consider myself like . I have all these thoughts floating through my head 24 , seven .

That's why I named the podcast Babbles nonsense , because I can be talking about something and then all of a sudden like it's like squirrel and then I'm talking about something else , because it's just these constant thoughts , but a lot of it is , like you said , stories that I have like , I'm like did that happen ? Did I make that ?

It'll be like , oh , this is . And then , because of a lot of practice , now I just catch it . Okay , I literally tell myself , bitch , no , stop that .

You just you know , I didn't wake up one day and stop creating stories .

starts railroading and before that snowball keeps going down the hill and getting bigger and bigger and bigger .

But magnesium .

It's almost like I had an out-of-body experience . I was observing myself losing my temper .

I'm still doing it . I'm like in my head going stop being short with people , nobody did anything to you , but then it's like I can't control it . I'm still doing it . I'm like you know you're doing it . And then I'm even that much harder on myself because I then do recognize it and observe it and I can't control it .

And and Napoleon Hill talks about it in this book called think and grow rich , which is , you know , not just about money . There's just so many principles in the book , and he says you have to have a burning desire for the outcome , Otherwise you will not see it through .

Okay , so you have to have a burning desire as to why you don't want to be shot with people . Unless you have that , it's really hard to correct that behavior because you're not intrinsically motivated every day to correct that .

It's kind of a full circle where , like , cause , I do go through these phases where I'm like , oh , I'm so , so , so , so happy , but it usually is external , and then that external factor goes away and I'm back to being like , yeah , you know whatever , and then I'm working all the time , which then frustrates me .

So it's like this constant circle and I haven't , and it's because I have not focused on that . So let's say I want to make my purpose like I'm just coming up with something off the top of my head , but like I want pure bliss and peace , not happiness , but I just want to be at peace and content and that's it .

Then I have to do practices like meditation , tapping , which you've taught me . Tapping , I know it works , it makes me feel better , but I still don't do it .

So , even though emotionally you're okay , your body still needs to release that emotion . So , even if it's not for your mind , do it for the body is what I'll always tell them , because the body carries a lot of stuff .

And I've noticed over the past couple of weeks , like I or not a couple of weeks , maybe a couple of months like I haven't really been emotional , like I haven't like even something on TV that typically would be sad until recently , like I , then I started watching a very sad TV show and I just started crying and I was like something else is going on here .

So definitely tune in , because it's got some yummies in it , it's got some wisdom in it , all right , okay .

So do you want a life of peace or do you want the life of the karmic roller coaster ? Would you choose a living full of true peace , stable awakening and universal harmony , or a little of waves , which are the high highs and soul-crushing lows ?

Well , first let me tell you the nature of society , your biology and every aspect of maya , which is also called illusion . It is a black hole that sucks you into this point . You forget who you really are or what life actually is . This is what selling your soul loosely translates to , but this is done out of innocent ignorance , unlike what the phrase implies .

The result of this black hole is you going after the highs in the name of chasing a false bliss to fill a godless void within a void that never ever fills . So , instead of going after the high highs or the low lows , choose a life of true peace .

not seeking for it in a spiritual way , in that attainable way that you're like you're seeking those things to make you happy but you're not seeking for it in a spiritual way , in that attainable way that you're like you , like you said , finding it from within , find it from within , like right now I'm having a cup of tea recording this podcast and this tea is

delicious and I'm happy you know it's .

So I see , I now see what you're saying and I love that we talked about this because it kind of explains my mood just a little bit when I couldn't explain it , and I'm sure other people out there feel the same way , which I know you said your clients . It was kind of coming up in a theme , right .

So let's talk about having shitty day , right . Why should we always like post only happy things and only why ? Let's normalize being human and having human experiences , because let us make others feel not so alone , right ? I agree , it can feel more like in a sense of belonging . Let's let we're all here to help each other .

So let let's actually do that , instead of doing this like fake positivity , bullshit and saying , oh , look at my social media , oh , it's just so like perfect , look at all this . But then you go to their house and you listen to their conversations . They're absolutely freaking miserable . I know some of them , you know , have worked with me .

That is not what you just said , you know , when we went to lunch five minutes ago . No , I'm , I'm just making up an example Like don't nobody go off the rails there .

So that's a bigger question which has like a bigger , it's a bigger can of worms . So I think that's why the energy of truth again coming full circle into happiness and everything which more than happiness , I like the essence and the energy of truth because it's a very high vibration .

If you can honor and be in the essence of truth , which is how am I now what's coming up for me now , not yesterday , not six months ago , now here and now , which is the present , and honor that and sit with that , I think you can be free , I think everybody can be free .

But we don't honor that , we run away from that , but that because that's what we're talking about Well , it's right , 1000% , 1000% .

But now that I have a professional , guys seriously go follow me and you and book a session with her or book a . What is it you do ? Like a consult call first to see if y'all are good fit . Like I like money , I would pay 1000 and 1000 and 1000 and 1000 times again . Worth every penny of it . I just have to put into practice what you taught me .

I mean you can only yeah , I can only like . You can only tell me to do something .

Let us create this ripple effect and you're doing it through your podcast , you're doing it through social , but let us , let us all that who are listening to this podcast , let let us create a ripple effect of just being in truth , being in congruency with how you really feel , and let let that spread .

Let let everybody feel a sense of belonging because we're all in this together , guys , we're all going to go together , we're all coming together and so let's instill that sense of belonging . And , on that note , thank you so much for tuning in and I will see you guys in my podcast .

You know , obviously , in my show notes I'm going to include Jonna's details and she'll do the same for me . And just follow us , because we're going to collaborate and do more episodes like this . And thank you so much for tuning in , jonna . Thank you .