And we are live. Hello everyone, this is Daniel with Ballbusters. I am here today with Todd Wood. You can find him on the Walter Bosley channel on YouTube. He does a segment called Kilifornia. I believe there's a playlist there for California Now where you can find all the past episodes. But what also brought him to my attention were his appearances recently and a little bit
dipping into the past with William Ramsey. Now, for those of you who have been watching my show for a while, you know that I've been on William Ramsey and he's been on my channel as well, and behind those scenes, we email a lot, so I was able to get in touch with Todd and now we have him here and he isn't I'm going to go right ahead and be bold enough to say he's an expert on the stuff that we're
going to be discussing tonight. And it's also just something that we were talking about last night when I did a live stream regarding scientology, the four p or the four Pie cult and well scientology, process, church, you name it. And we haven't got into Charles Manson last night in a little bit of Son of Sam, so Todd. How are you doing tonight? I am so honored to be here. I'm wonderful. Thank you for asking.
You got it? So we I mean, we can pick up anywhere, but do you have any things specifically you'd like to like us a breaking off starting off point, because well, I thought we could just have like a loose, loose discussion and then it'll just take us where it takes us. Gotcha. We could talk about, you know, talk about the Processed Church a little, you know, and talk about the four Pe cult. You
know. The interesting thing is, the thing that fascinates me so much is California from July fourth of nineteen six nine all the way up to October nineteenth of nineteen seventy. That really really fascinates me. So yeah, October nineteenth that would have been the John Linley Fraser murder of the Odas the Oda family, with the exception of the two daughters who are away at the school are
at school at the time. But to go back to, you know, just sort of like a quick walk through, you know, July fourth of nineteen sixty nine was the you know, that was like sort of the first zodiac murder of that year. Yeah, and you know, from there you go into sort of like the Charles Manson stuff and the Tate La Bianca murders, and I think that was August seven, eight and nine. I threw
an extra one in there just in case. Uh. That one really interests me too, because it seems like all these crimes that have sort of a connection to the occult, there's something more happening with those crimes. We need to as a as a research community, need to turn our sort of magnifying glass or or you know whatever and place it on those dates, you know, from July fourth of nineteen sixty nine to October of nineteen seventy. Yeah.
You know what's interesting is when you're saying this, what appears in my head when you say there's something else going on? There is I envisioned there's a common thread, like something that's not spoken about that is common among all of these elements. And to me, that would be an intelligence operations, some sort of program that was generating these types of people and then setting them
loose. Well, if you're where with Dave Mcallen's book Program to Kill in the Introduction the States and that mk ultra programs, mind control programs would use Satanic cults as sort of a way to muddy the water and to hide what they were doing. Right. It takes you wonder if in these uh, in these realms tube that there isn't also practitioners that are quite involved and take it quite seriously. There definitely is. It's a mix. It's a total
mix, right, uh. And I mean speaking of like Manson and Zodiac and the Processed Church. All those guys spent time in San Francisco. In fact, the Processed Church lived about a minute away from the Manson family. Now, before we dive any further, I think it's important to remind the audience of what the occult is shorthand it's it's hidden, the hidden, what is hidden? Right? But an occultation is one thing hiding another thing,
such as my hand here hiding my fist, That isn't occultation. Thus Satanic cults being a cover for more sort of CIA programs. And I only say that because in San Francisco at the time, the CIA was running a safehouse in Telegraph Hill. Now you have to take that into consideration, but you
also have to take into consideration the cross pollination between all these groups. Sure, the process Church, they act so pious, you know when you're talking to those Jehovians, and you know, the Jehovians do a really good job of doing pr for those cons but truth be told, they're only covering for the Luciferians, right, And so the difference being the Luciferians are the guys who'd like to party and by their very nature like to rebel, just sort
of like lucifer Right to quote the that can I curse on this show, Oh of course, the quote that the trial transcript when talking about brother Eli giving his friend who was a journalist, some drugs to get rid of because Eli was worried about being pulled over during the care the caravan when they moved, We're about to move from San Francisco to Los Angeles. He takes, you know, he overhears the Luciferians who moved into the I guess you'd call
it sort of a shotgun house. He overheard them, and these Luciferians came. There's about eight of them. They came from New Orleans, right, And you have to take in consideration there's a big difference between American culture and British culture. Now, these Luciferians are quoted as to say, let's take all the drugs and fuck those pressy little Jehovians. Yeah, right, so
that is what's hidden there. We don't know what the Jehovians. We don't know what the Luciferians were up to all the time because it's always covered up by the Jehovians. Right, And you know, you read the books like The Family, and I was gonna say, a relationship of convenience basically people using each other, you know, but not necessarily being of the same mindset or the same right. Well, Also, remember what I said about the
CIA. They were everywhere. And the thing about that people don't really understand about this group of CIA MK Ultra guys being run out of a telegraph hill is that they're being run by George White, who was a psychopath. There is no other word for for what George White was. George White had a picture of a dead Japanese guy that he had killed with his bare hands on his wall. That's how bad that guy was. No. Was he also
a Knight of Malta or a Jesuit. I don't know what. The Jesuits play a big role in this, because the Jesuits acted like simps for the Processed Church. During the process v. Ed Sanders trial in London, the one that Ed Sanders and his publishing company won, they they kept going to bat for the Processed Church in a big way, so that that is definitely
a possibility that is on the table, my friend. The thing when when people uh, like there've been there's been mainstream documentaries about this now because they're they're allowing it. They want people to actually to know that the Roman Catholic
Church slash Jesuits own and operate the CIA. But you have like the Knights of Malta there, uh you know he had white Well, Bill Donovan, you had in the USS all these people that started it and also the Knights of Malta oversee the United Nations. Yeah, of course indications that the that the Holy Roman Empire is still there. It's covert and it operates and controls
people by proxy by infiltrating your governments. And that's why I wanted, like when I hear the ciam like this is just another one of those things to show their presence in different countries, this one being ours, and how they do things and how they subvert from the society, the culture and all the other other things right right now, remind remind me, Daniel you talked about like the United Nations. Was the Neptune moving company that David Burker was sort
of associated with. They had the contract for the United Nations. Is that? Is that correct? I I don't really remember all of a field to medieval It's been so long since I've looked at that. Oh, you know, I haven't. I haven't gotten too deep into the Brooklitz thing yet, So I don't know. But now that I I know that piece of information, I will definitely, Uh, that's something I will definitely look up. Right, you should you also, if you're gonna do the United Nations thing,
you also need to look at John Gordon Abbott. He was sort of the killing partner or one of the killing partners of Philip Arthur Thompson. Uh. Philip Arthur Thompson was a serial killer and he uh he worked for Wacken Hunt that was on the reservation in Riverside County where Henry le Lucas came claimed he killed people for the Hand of Death. Also, it's suspected that Philip Arthur Thompson was part of that hand of the same Hand of death. Philip
Arthur Thompson was a head of security for Wacken Hunt. If you're unfamiliar with Iran Contra scandal, anyone out there, wacken Hunt was manufacturing weapons illegally to give to the consciras in exchanged for drugs. Also, the promised software was uh modified at the Hunt facilities on the Kavazon Reservation. I would highly recommend anybody looking up doctor Joseph Ferrell on Dark Journalists what he says about the promised
software. But to get back to where we were now, the thing that I find interesting and the thing that we all have to remember, is the level of cross pollination. You also have the Church of Satan in the San Francisco area. Now, people made picture in their heads someplace that's really big, but in reality San Francisco is only seven miles by seven miles, so it's small. So that means lots and lots of cross pollination. Yeah,
it's a high. It's a high activity like B's neess too. When you think of it in the dimensions like that, it was very very active. Then you have not even even before the temple the set, you had just the presidio on its own, and they could not have going on there that is still classified. Right, Boy, aren't market Michael Akino's eyebrows ridiculous? Yeah, it reminds me of an old professor, but he was young when
he was started doings for eyebrows. That's how I know the kids at the Personio I guess preschool are telling them the truth because as human beings, we look for landmarks. If we get lost, we look for like landmarks to identify with so we know where we are. That same thing goes for children, right, Those eyebrows are identifying markers. That's why I believe those kids. Yep, they they remarked on those mm hmm yeah. I mean that's
you know, it's not hard to compare him to everybody else. His eyebrows stick out, you know. Then you know they pointed him at in lineup every single time. Uh well, I just want to go just one real
quick thing. I want to mention that in a very h I think, almost like a classic documentary at this point, to go back to George white Bee, that was there was another person remarking on him about how he was discussing something with him at a dinner table at a restaurant, and the waiter kept on trying to get his order from him, and eventually George White just
pulls out a gun and puts it in the guy's face. Yeah yeah, like that's that's that's that's another anecdote of how George White used to roll. Mm hmm yeah, oh yeah. I mean George White was a very dangerous human being. And those guys at that CIA sort of safe house where they were running like Operation Midnight Climax. Right, there's your potential Manson connection right
there, because he is running his prostitutes. Yeah. Right, And then you have another connection with the Process Church, because a potential connection nothing set in stone. But if you have the Process that the Jehovians, who are so self disciplined and everything, you know, tough and whatever, and you have these rowdy American Luciferians, you don't think they would want to get in bed with Susan Atkins or Squeaky or something like that. Hell yeah, they
only live a man in away. They're taking the literature. You don't think that they want to get with some of those girls. Human nature doesn't change. It strikes me. It struck me as kind of interesting when I started seeing the libertarianism card being. You know, it's like shuffled in the deck with a lot of this occult stuff as far as like these are ideals that are now I'm being told, are you know, right wing Church of Satan type of ideas And it's like, what, how does that? How does
that play out? Well? You know, the thing people don't realize about the Church of Satan is there actually it's a secular cult. They don't literally worship Satan. They're haightiist to mock God. So they put on a big floor show and this that, and the other problem is when you have people on and you have young, impressional, impressionable people, it's very easy to get into their heads. Right, That's why Manson went for the younger girls
instead of the older girls. You know, correct me if I'm wrong, But do you find the Church of Satan even if it wasn't intended to be this in the beginning, that it became almost like the theatrical, flashy, made for public type of way of processing or how this is what we're feeding you about what what Satanism is. So it doesn't so it kind of like disarms you and you don't think any much of it. Other things are happening in the background that are much more dark. And that's just exactly exactly,
and we're about to get into those dark things. So, I mean, let's just look at this timeline. Starting in nineteen seventy Okay, so I believe it was the twenty seventh of February, you have the first go Letta Beach murders, the murders of John b Hood and Sander Garcia. John Behood was a war hero. He served with the sixty fourth Armored Division. What a shitty way to go after doing that, you know, it's such a horrible thing, like, let's come back to kill you, you know.
Yeah, now we're gonna be revisiting go lett At Beach here in just one moment. Moving on to April, uh, we have the murder of Robert Salem, a light designer in San Francisco that the supposedly was Stanley Dean Baker. Well, let's just say it was Stanley Dean Baker. His fingerprint was on the wall. He killed the guy and started writing messages in the guy's blood on his apartment walls, such as Satan saves Zodiac and he did some
Egyptian hieroglyphic type of stuff. So that is that's April. Moving on to June, and now this is where your stuff comes in. What you just told me about Babylon line because I had no idea, and I think that is very interesting. On June second, Robert what's his name, I think his name was Holse Houls and Stephen Hunt murdered a performed an axe murder on
a service station attendant in Santa Anna. Wow right. And then the day after that they performed a ritual murder on a woman named Florence Nancy Brown where they they got her on the the sort of off ramp from I want to say sant from. Uh they are the Santa Anna off on ramp or off ramp or something like that. This is the mother that they parsed out in pieces, right they they well, yeah, they they They only took the
heart, the lungs, and her left arm. Some of her was eaten, the lungs in the arm probably, and uh so they took her car or Hunt took her car. I refer to this group and Walter prefers to this group as a Satanic cell because there was about six of them. Okay, if that's fair. Now, Uh, she was murdered in the the Orange groves in Irvine. Now the heart was Stephen hun and they took her car and they drove it to Santa Cruz. That's quite the hike, right,
Why Santa Cruz, right right? And they the heart was used in a ritual, but they burnt the heart kind of like what you told me about Babylon. Huh, well, what they do to Yeah, So they have the wax figurines that are supposed to represent that who you're trying to put the hex on. So there's that element where they will do something to that particular wax figure, uh in in in the hopes of that it, you
know, does that same type of harm to another. But there's also the way that they can of their their their demonic necessity to hex you and one way or the other and different portions of that. They don't get too much into certain things because it's like libel if you start talking about it in a sense in a way that they're telling you to do. That they kind of
back off a little bit in some of these writings. But there's there's the burning of organs, there's the burning of that type of thing, and that's right, right, And when you go back into the history of what they did in the big spirituals or ceremonies, even going up in the cannon they were there was cannibalism. That's kind of like where the name comes from. Right. They would burn the bodies or the hearts, and and that would
usually be sick like the Assyrians Babylon. They would they would take the hearts out and do that very thing almost as a reflex of any of their enemies. They would take them off. They cut out their eyes, cut out their tongues, They flay them while it pin them down and flay them while they were still alive, and then chop off. There all kinds of six right, all of their gods, the most bloodless they could for their gods,
right right, right right. It's sort of like Magdalena Salise in nineteen sixty three, sacrificing all those people via heart removal, blood drinking, heart consumption and all that. But to to and she thought she was the reincarnation of a quanta. Cu I hope I'm saying that right, quoto q quoto qu Now, the interesting thing about Stephen Hunt is he claims that his guru is the Grand ching Gon, the Grand ching Goon of the Four Pie cult.
Yeah, right, word too, the ching gon. The ching gon it means in Spanish, it means awesome, intelligent or in slaying, in intimidating. Huh yeah, all all the characteristics you need for a manipulative leader, right exactly. I'd highly recommend people read a Project Artichoke by David M. Silly. That's a really good book because I believe I believe that the guy they got, uh doctor Bryan, what was the Grand ginge Gun. I think that David was was correct in his what his allegations were. So
they made it up to Santa Cruz. They burnt the car, they burnt the heart and the ritual. That's going to be important later. Now, later on in the timeline. Now to go to June, and now we're on July fourth, we have the other go lett at Beach murders. Now the gold this time according to the it was the three young people were victimized and the one that survived after he survived his surgery because he had he was
just bury a lot, barely alive when he was found. He claims that it was men in robes and hooded robes, chanting holding knives and machetes, and that they just got him. The young people were in their sleeping bags. This is the murders known as Maxwell's Silver Hammer. But I don't think that's correct because I think Gypsy Share knew something was going to happen with Gypsy
Share from the Manson family, but she didn't know what. And on July ninth there was the murder of Fred's the Synth family by Fred Sinth, who tried to uh implicate what Thomas Hayes, the surviving victim of the second Goleta Beach Murder, have you done any any looking into the types of like B horror movies that were coming around out around this time, because it almost seems like the reflective symbolically, they're kind of like either glorifying or encapsulating that type
of fear that was happening. Because there's a lot of wood, right, We're going to be We're definitely going to be talking about that because that's a big part of it. That's a big part of the whole occult, the magic with a K aspect of this whole thing. So you know, like I said, Fred Scinth, he killed his family, but really, uh, and you know that has no connection to Maxwell's Silver Hammer, which Gipsy Chair probably heard about. Thus why she called it Maxwell's silver Hammer. She
knew something was supposed to happen, she didn't know what. She made an assumption. So for anybody who's going to read the Family or has read the Family, just to clear up what that was, then you have on the thirteenth, you have the capture of Stanley Dean Baker. Right, super sensational, right, he was him and his frame. We're involved in a hit and run. The police pick him up in big sir, the pull up gnarl finger out of his pocket, and he claims that he has a problem,
that he's a cannibal. That's just like, I give up basically, because if you say that, then you're already implying that you're a killer. I mean, it's right, right, strange thing to say. The interesting the interesting thing is how it overshadowed the Stephen Hunt stuff, just because it was just a little bit more sensational, when the Stephen Hunt and his little posse was just almost just as a sensational right, Yeah, it's a little strange, I mean it. So there's two things I look at Because when
I heard you talking about this with William Ramsey. What struck my mind is that these people think that they're so into this eembedded in the system that they can without any type of mask of you know, or or without trying to
hide it covered up or or speak again. You know, they're they're they're just right out in the open telling you that they're doing it because I think that they might be propped up by government agencies so they don't feel like they're untouchable, so that they can tell chief chief of police anything because it doesn't matter, nothing's gonna happen to him, right, And I think you're that's where we're going with this talk. After you know, remember what I said
about Stephen Hunt and and the UH and the the station wagon. Now to move to move on to October, you have the murder of the Oda family and Santa Cruz by John Linley Fraser and what he says in his original statement three other people. Okay, Now this is really interesting because at the Manson fan at the at the Tate residence, they found some glasses, right,
and Vin said, biglie. When trying this case, uh, he didn't want the glasses in like submitted as evidence because maybe there's they have the wrong people or there's someone else they haven't caught out there. But uh, I think Manson claims that he planted the glasses, don't they use like, uh, you know, to protect the innocent and and so that they're not giving names when when in reality it could be indicative of who was there. But
they try to use that stupid you know, lawyer nonsense. Right, well, we're protecting by not omitting this or submitting this as evidence. Come on, right, right, well Victor Oda was the person who prescribed those glasses. Yes, okay, Now isn't it interesting that the car, the car got burnt. Stephen Hunt burnt and his little posse they burnt the car.
Now the posse, the little group tagging along with John Linley for supposedly burnt the Odas station wagon in the same exact manner, only they left there's in a train tunnel right now. That's that's really really interesting. You know, Stephen Hunt could have driven anywhere. He could have gotten to Nevada. You know, they could have gone to Mexico. They could have been ghosts. But why Santa Cruz, right right? And what's going on right going on
up there? Right? And why the Oda family. Why this connection to the glass is going all the way back to August of sixty nine at the Tate residence, at the scene of the Tate murders. Right now, you've suggested that this is a it's a government thing, right, all these murders with a cult connection, right. I wouldn't that scare the hell out of the public, don't you think? Yeah? Of course? Right? And if you were a church going person, if you are a Catholic, don't
you think that those butts would be in the pews? Everybody would be passing the plate. There's nothing scarier than a drugged out satanic hippie, right right, Yeah, you'd right and man your community together in the in defense of course, that's just nature, right. And people don't realize in Santa Cruz after the Otis murders, how close uh, the straight the Squares and the Hippies were to going going to war with each other. I mean, crap
was about to go down. Which is so funny because the hippies themselves never were supposed to represent this whole, you know, fractured minded serial killer thing. It should It was supposed to be a liberating movement until LSD and the c i A and others, so right up and throwing Marxists into there in their groups as leaders and bringing them up. You know, it was it wasn't until that manipulation. It should have been free, happy, right to
welcome, you know. But it's anyone who's familiar with the Four P cult and the Grand Ching Gon. According to Michael Newton's book, Uh the idea that the order given by the Grand ching Gun was to kill random targets. This would imply that the act of murder itself was more important than the targets. The targets were meaningless, right, right, So all we have all
this fear going through California. Everybody's afraid. They're afraid of the Zodiac, they're afraid of the Manson family, afraid all of these cannibal hippies doing their their satanic occult murders, and this, that and the other. Well, the interesting thing is that do you realize that nineteen seventy was an election year?
That is interesting? And do you know who? If you know who is running for re election for governor of California, that would have been Reagan at that time, right, Ronald Reagan running on on prime platform and Yeah, don't you think all those scared people at church maybe got Reagan's vote or voted for Reagan because I mean, look at what's going on in the community. They need somebody to protect them, isn't it the saying that from chaos
comes order. Absolutely, then you can maybe orchestrate chaos, right, yeah, you can definitely be the person who creates the problem and then the reaction would be and offer the solution. Right, that's right, that's right. Operation chaos so quick. They manipulate people and at the expense of human lives too, right, right. And I mean also with Stanley Baker, you know he was he claimed loyalty to this Grand Chingan as well. He was
in a cult in Wyoming. But then according to Maury Terarian at Sanders, I think they said that they he joined the activities at Santa Cruz where the four p Colts were holding their their ritual sacrifices, which was sort of an
Aztec style sacrifice, heart removal, heart consumption, blood drinking. Right, there's some indications that the people who've volunteered for sacrifice when they couldn't find a drifter, homeless person or whatever, they kind of like the stories of the vikings where if you if you were willing, they would get they would take
you. But if you weren't, then you weren't. You weren't worthy of the sacrifice, or not so much worthy, but it would not please the gods right right, Well, according to Stephen Hunt, the person in which we have most of our information about the Four Pea Cult, anybody who's read the two thousand and two edition of the Family, chapter fifteen, Steven claims that he was forced to take war pills reds right so that I can only
imagine that being military grade and fetamines, sort of the same stuff Max Fisher was creating for the Nazis so that the pilots could stay up in the air longer. It makes me think of two different things, Jacob's Ladder, the movie where this, you know, the meth made them kill each other.
And also when bath salts came out, I saw that as being like a mass experiment on people because these types of really strong and fetamine type things like MDPV was methyl aline, I think was the other component in there, depending on what kind of person you were. And let's let's also say that they kept the same name as quote unquote baths salts generic and change the formula over time just to mess with people even further. You see what they would do
because it still has the same package, same name. People take it thinking it's one thing, it's something else, and then a whole different thing happens to them, you know, right, And uh, wasn't it one of the goals of mk ulture to make an assassin? Yeah, so you've turned all these drug adults satanists who just probably wanted to be edge lords into weapons.
Could you imagine ls like especially injectable LSD plus scopolamine where you're if you have if you're on scopolamin, if someone tells you help me move all of your furniture into my truck so that I can steal it from you, you'll just do it. Because that's how susceptible you are to suggestion. M you know. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, I just lost my place in my brain me sometimes. Yeah, that was kind of a little bit my fault too, though. No, No,
it's okay, it's okay. Marget's not important. It's more about the kill we were talking about. Oh, the young lady that well, so I was just gonna say the young lady that was sacrifice, went out with a smile on her face. According to Huntress, this would imply that she was, you know, maybe given PCP or heroin or mushrooms or something microdosing. Uh, you know, something that you know would make her smile. It's much like the Aztext. Sometimes the Aztext would give their victims drugs before the
human sacrifice part. M Yeah, there's an Inca's astext. I'm not sure which one it was, but they definitely had a the skinned demon as one of their deities that would wear the flesh of other of other victims. They had some strange enough going on, But you're right about the heart thing being a component that was always either burned or torn out for some purpose, even
after the the end of the the games. Like that was my ends though when I went thinking about that, they would rip the hearts out of the of the losing team. Yeah, don't lose. Well that and that makes it no one wants to play you if you're just gonna do that. I mean, yeah, I mean the heart consumption that's important. Uh. The interesting thing in Aztec you know that it was the sort of pay tribute and you know, keep their error the world from ending. You know, in
a sec culture. So you know, it's very very interesting. What does that make you think? Like when you when you when you hear something like that, like why was the was the fear so strong? Is it because they had a genetic memory of a of a like a cataclysm that did wipe them out? And it's like, you know, just like with the monarch butterfly which just imprinted into them so deeply, this type of this type of like trauma that they would do something this dramatic to try to prevent it.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I don't know. I mean, uh, there's more occult murders in Latin America than anywhere else to do something, uh, Right across from a church, they have all this stuff in a shop that's all well you would consider satanic. There's a bunch of baffmint stuff, there's a bunch of demon stuff. There's candles for these uh and these wax figurines for those types of rituals. Right across the street from
a church, from a Catholic church of course. Oh really that's really interesting. Right in Tijuana, yeap, oh wow, they had a LaVey's book in there, but it was in Spanish. Oh wow, I just found public domain footage of Anton LaVey. Oh you did, Yeah, Devil's Rain. That movie is public domain. There's no copyright marker after the credits, so it's not even marked. I don't know if YouTube would recognize it, but yeah, if you need footage of Anton LaVey, you just get it
from that movie. Yeah, I think so, So now you bring that up. I found this movie maybe two three years ago on YouTube and I downloaded it, so I do have that. But the reason why I was looking for in the first place because I saw Trevolta and I'm like, I got to look at this deeper. And then all the you know, all the connections and him being a scientologist but also being you know, buddies with Levey. It makes you see again how things are mixed there. You know.
Well, Anton Levey himself hated the counterculture. Oh yeah, and the highest level of the Church of Satan that you could go was that when you say cradle, you're talking about the hippies themselves, right like that hated the hippies. Yeah, he was kind of a libertarian, sort of gun nut type of guy, right that, that's what he was really into. But you know, he liked the performance aspect of sort of Satanism, but like
it's really close to Crowley. Like what Croley believed is what Satanists typically believe. There is no God higher than man, and do as thy wilt, right, do whatever you want to. There is no spiritual consequences at all for you, you know, and the high flu in talk and the and the ceremony stuff that's like sounds like McGregor Madthers all day making the complicated ceremonies to write. I mean, it really doesn't matter because the psych the logical
effects of those rituals is the same. It doesn't matter if you say you're doing it ironically or if you're doing it purposely. It doesn't change what's going on in your head. Right, And I think that's why it's a double joke when you hear people like Robert Anton Wilson and the joke of Discordia, Well, is it a joke or isn't it nineteen seventy we've created chaos, right, They've created fear with all these satanic murders, all these occult ritual
murders. And I mean pretty sure it helped Reagan get re elected yeah. Right, And let's look at it this way too. Everything goes sort of goes away, Like in California, sure you have serial killers, but you don't really have any more occult ritual murders and stuff connected to the occult until seventy four. So they dialed it down. Fore, So right after that happened, they dialed everything down. It wasn't that everybody got caught thing.
It was that they dialed it down because I hold it because they can in the seventy four I think that they were doing that, and it's a two for they were. Whoever those glasses belonged to was a very important person, you know, and they would have sex parties at the Tate residence, so there wasn't a victims classes. Then you're saying you think it was I'm saying,
yeah, they were. They were trying to in my opinion, my uh my, My speculation is that they were trying to protect some someone was being protected, because if you found out whose glasses there were, they're gonna find out a bunch of other stuff, like you know, those videotapes that Roman Polanski was shooting of a Sharon Tate having sex with different people and all that, right, and we so we can we can even assume that maybe it's possible that it wasn't his his child that she was carrying, right,
wife swapping stuff that's going on. Well, think of it this way. If you're a pedophile, do you know what the most unat tractive thing to a pedophile is a grown woman? A grown woman who's pregnant, right right, So yeah, I mean, I I do not trust Roman Polanski one bit. That guy's has so many skeletons in his closet and I don't trust. And back in the day Tarantino before Kill Bill era, yeah, I
was a huge fan. But when he got on and started talking about uh, you know, trying trying to uh justify pedophilia and drugging a thirteen year old girl saying she was into it, she wanted to get down on Howard Stern. He said it multiple times. The dude, the dude's a piece of trash, I mean, And yeah, definitely he's a piece of trash. Klanski's movie The Ninth Gate with depth kind of brings everything together again too, And that's straight straight. I mean, there's a lot of up in
there that's real, it's not made up. It's like these are themes that they're that are heavily involved in what they actually do right, right, And this is the reason I think that sixty nine through nineteen seventy is the real Satanic panic, that's the legitimate, real Satanic panic, instead of sort of the moral crisis that was happening in the nineteen eighties, right, trying to wag the finger at Metallica and dungeons and dragons, right, Well, I
think they did that on purpose to make it seem ridiculous, because there was a legitimate thing going on. So they wanted to get all you stupid Christians, all your stupid another way to get another punch at morality and right ethics. I love those people who are like, oh no, no, it was nothing, and then you tell them about like a Dafho cat Stanzo,
right, which is it's a different thing the case. He is basically a paleo Miambi extremist compared to an atheist who just wants to mock God right right right, or you know Robbing Geck part of the Ripper Crew, right, and that there you go again with those connections because as you know, he worked for John Wayne Gacy. Yeah, you were talking about that. That was that was interesting to me. Yeah. Yeah. And Phil Plaski,
who's connected to the Delta program, was a human trafficking program. The Delta Program not not like Delta Force. You're talking about something Delta, it's the Delta Project. I'm sorry. It is as John David Norman who was supplying children to the serial killer Dean Coral, right, and uh, his part, he goes to John, he meets up with this guy, Phil Plaski, and when they get out of jail, they have this plan to keep trafficking kids and it's called the Delta Project. And Phil, I think I'm
saying his name right. Uh. If I'm not, I am so sorry. But he goes to work for Gaysey. Now, Phil Plaski is also the one of the lead suspect in suspects in the Oakland child murders. So you got Gaysey who's burying children in his backyard, and you have Will helping him, and you have a young, impressionable Robin learning from them. Do you know one of his defenses was the only thing I'm guilty of is running an unlicensed cemetery. Oh real, I think Gaysey was out of his goddamn
glord. Oh he definitely was. He moped you. Yes, yes he was. Oh, I haven't heard that. That's that's nuts. I believe it was one of the books. I think it's just like a one liner. Like I don't know if he said it on the stand if I don't even know if he took the stand, But I think it was like conversation between him and his lawyer or something like that, and it was something that
was captured on the record. Right. And then I mean, if we follow the methodology of sacrifice from the four p just to go back to that heart removal concept again, it shows up again in Florida with the Hand of Death cult. Yeah, let's talk about that. Yeah, you know that. According to Max Call, Henry told him why he is being trained in the Everglades. You know that, Uh, along with the l Savagory and expats who are going to go back and retake their countries from the Sandinistas.
Uh, they performed a ritual sacrifice and it was basically sort of the same Aztechian type of thing, only it was a boy. Uh. They cut his heart out and consumed it. Of course, it was adust Tool who talked who was talking about Satanism before uh Henry was when they got caught. Now, the interesting thing like this, the Hand of Death cult was sort of murder for hire, kidnapping, h taking women to Mexico and selling them
into prostitution, all the above type of stuff. And it's really interesting because anybody who had sort of a thing, what mark more cartel like than a cult than I guess. Yes, they were definitely more cartel like in my opinion. But I mean the CIA had their hand in this whole thing too, because they're the ones chraining the l Salvadorians, the El salvador Expats, you know. So, I mean there's your CI type of stuff going on.
And I have a feeling that the reason why MS thirteen is was so extreme had to do with manipulation by forces of our of our quote unquote Yeah, we were training the leadership and in in a paramilitary camp in the Everglades, right. I think his name is Ernesto Daris. Now, I am not the expert on the Hand of Death, guys. If y'all wanted some really good information, I highly recommend either going to the Program to Kill You
YouTube channel and looking up Georgian Georgie's episode on UH Program to Chill. It's a two parter on the Hand of Death and Henry Lee Lucas. So,
are you familiar with the Rotting Jewels? Dana Dudan No, okay, because she she uh, when we were talking about the Satanic pan and stuff like that, she's really good at showing people that that was a way of, you know, making you feel stupid for having legitimate concerns about things that were really going on right right a lot because it's like, and that's where I looked at, you know, the Church of Satan being on Heraldo for instance,
as being one of those things where they make it look ridiculous, they make it look harmless because there's a lot of stuff going on in the background that by legitimate occultists that they don't want you to look at. They want you to see all this through the through the the kaleidoscope of of the Church of Satan and knowing the people that they put out in front of you to talk about it. Zena, you know, a keynote, and but you know that was it. I think the only well, uh, I think
that I have to check her out. Uh, that'd be really interesting. I want to. I want to hear what about all that? Yeah, mind sending me? Would you mind sending me like a link sometime? Oh yeah, when we're done with this, I'll find ah you're you're on Twitter whatever they call it. No, I don't do social media at all because I'm legally blind. I have what they call Starguart's disease and macular degeneration. So any screen time I I have I used for interviews or doing research.
Gotcha, before my mind I get migraine. But to go back to the sort of the Hand of Death right, it was also believed that Jeffrey Dahmer
was part of this Hand of Death cult. Now, Jeffrey Dahmer is interesting to talking about human sacrifice because Dahmer I thought he was the reincarnation of an Aztec priest and was building a an altar out of skulls and like sort of thigh bones and stuff like that, and his victims in a strange way too, kind of like the Podesta artwork where they're you know, the ankle to the to the to the foot or the ankle to the wrist type of binding.
But he would have them, you know, bent over backwards like that kind of like in a almost like a gymnastics post without their heads or whatever. And that's that's very interesting because that's exactly what the Johant what's what Tony Podesta artwork looks like? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Of course Dahmer is connected to John Paul Ronari, who was part of the Son of Sam call until he left in seventy two to start his own little wing
of things. Right, No, no, he was like he was like so supposedly he was a Christian street preacher, Adam, I guess it's Milwaukee, out of Milwaukee. He was a Christian street preacher out of Milwaukee. I think Dahmer accused him of sodomizing him. And he's also featured in the documentary of the Sons of Sam so so basically Dahmer saying he made him kind of like a Batman line, right, you made me, remember, because
ohomized by him. I don't know. I think all these guys, you know, all these young people were you know there sort of says it in the book, in one of the one of these books that we read, uh that he he was sort of did made to do prostitution, right, and prostitution is used in a lot of blackmail schemes, just like in uh San Francisco and Operation Midnight Climax, they would still do like blackmail operations.
Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I was. That's funny because that's when they were doing the the LSD and spiking it with using the prostitutes, right, like they were right and in there, and then they were monitored like observing them quote unquote, and they would get them all kinds of drugs without them, without their knowledge, and then filmed this stuff. Yeah right right,
speaking of drugs. You know that you have the Atlanta child murders that seem to have a connection back to the Hand of Death cult, right because this waitress, uh, Shirley mc gil h from Miami flies to Atlanta to tell authorities that her boyfriend was involved in kidnapping some of these kids for a Satanic cult that was also involved in murder for hire. Now what does that
sound like? That sounds like the hand of death to anybody who has like an eye for this sort of stuff, that sounds exactly like the hand of death. But they would sort of rub this sort of mud looking stuff on these kids and people, and you know it, I guess it sort of knocked them out or something or made them obedient to some extent. That reminds me of the zombie powder from Haiti, right, yeah, you know what is it called serpent over the serpent and the rainbow type of stuff. You're
referring to the Narcissus case. I was actually thinking about the movie and the powder that they in your face. Oh there's an actual case. I think the gentleman's name was Narcissus. And yeah, you should look into that. That that's from nineteen sixty three, I believe in Haiti. Uh huh oh, okay, so that you're talking, you are talking about that same It's like, yeah, what they based that thing on. So, yeah, like a mixture of biphotoxin to troto toxin sometimes kono's toxic with cone snail toxin
and uh there is one more scopola. Mean, it's like a mixture of those things. So when they it's your zombie, you're owned. You are owned until they say you're no longer. And that's how they used to get people to get buried. Yeah without that, you know, because there's no vitals barely, so it's uh, very strange, very strange stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, I will look that up though,
I got I gotta read. I have to go back into my like, these are all based off of long, long old memory, so I got to get back into it and uh, you know, beef it up and get get the details again. Well, you definitely know more about drugs than me, my friend, no comment, just kidding. That was a joke.
I never had time for that stuff. Yeah. Yeah, So when we're talking about the hand of Death, Cole and does does Albert Fish play into anything like being connected to anything or is he just a standalone psychopath. He's a standalone psychopath from the nineteen twenties, but his family may be very well to do. There may be some elite because he was basically an opera right. He was poor. He's poor, but his like his hit distant
relatives may be not so poor. Huh yeah. Interesting, the Vampire of Brooklyn, right right, right right, you kind of like the Vampire of a Sacramento Robert Chase. Yeah, so let me let me just circle back real quick, and is there anything that you have look can you because this is a topic that I know a lot of people were asking me about. Yeah, in the in the realm of like Robert Anton Wilson, Ye, Kenneth Anger, is there any information that you have and like where those people
went and who they influenced? Well, of course Bobby Boselet was uh hanging around with Kenneth Anger, and he was part of the Manson family. Right, he was one of the first ones to get caught right or to get right, I believe, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Robert Anton Wilson at his partner was Carry Thornley right in the discorionism, right, Kerry Thornley, who wanted to write a book about Lee Harvey Oswald before the
whole assassination thing. That's I think I find that really interesting because according to a serial killer by the name of Patrick Kearney who wrote crime writer Amanda Howard. Uh uh Patrick Kearney met Lee Harvey Oswald. Not Patrick Kearney. Yeah, Patrick Kearney met Lee Harvey Oswald in the army much in the same way
Carrie Thornley did. Now the claim is the trash bag killerer, Carrie Thornley, who would dismember his victims that mostly mel and put him in trash bags much sort of the like the bag murder of New York around the same sort of time Lily Dexter from the show Dexter the Serial Killer used to drop the bags off into the ocean from his boat. That's right, yeah, yeah. Now, Patrick Kearney's claim is that he went to military language school and
was in the same class as Lee Harvey Oswald. Harvey Lee Oswald, And uh yeah, so I think that that's really sort of interesting right there.
There's there's these connections to Oswald, right, and then this is this operation Slashed intelligence aspect too, whereas were really anti government pro communist people or is that just their part they were playing because they were quote unquote patriotic to the bad element of our of our government, and they would playing there doing their role, you know, right right, and uh, I mean Patrick Kearney one of his hunting grounds was Mexico, Mexico City. Now talking about the
you know, there's speculation maybe he had some mob ties. But as I recall, uh, for the Kennedy assassination, people who worked at O'Reilly Coffee Company were promised jobs at NASA. Right now, that's interesting considering that Patrick Kearney got a job at Hughes Aircraft with just a high school degree. I mean he was an electrical engineer. Yeah yeah, okay, yeah, yeah,
yeah, that's weird. And I just thought about the processed church is do you realize that everywhere they set up a chapter there's a large organized crime presence already in that area, Yes, New Orleans, San Francisco, La, Chicago, Boston, New York. Yeah. And who runs those organized like if there's money to be made for black ops? I mean who who
do you think? Actually? You know, as you know, the mob at that time was in bed with the with the c i A. Yeah, so just go back to that your idea, like the overlord of this whole sort of satanic crime wave is the c i A. Right, and the mafia. Yeah, and and that I think what happened in New York with the like the Italian families, it was just it was a turf war get between government agencies quote unquote government agencies and and the mob. It wasn't
that, right, we were fighting crime. No, they were just taking over the territory. Nothing was going to change as far as the crime right right, right. And now they learned how to do it from from the from the Italians and said, okay, I think we can take it from here, right. You know, of course you had you had Gaysey in Chicago, we talked about him, but you also had the Weather Underground, right, that is that's a huge element there too. That's yeah. I
mean that those guys for serious communists, they didn't even like music. Your own he's isn't he like a professor somewhere? And yeah, yeah, he's a he's a professor. And it's funny because that you know, who got arrested. Where are the beards, the like FBI informants. Yeah, like that's why, that's why people one of the reasons people thought Jimmy Carter was
so stupid. He totally f that whole operation up. Uh. But the interesting thing about the Weather Underground is that they tried to go to California in the seventies, or they did, and they tried to court the Brotherhood of Eternal Love originally run are sort of a LSD mafia, hippie mafia is what they're also known as. Now. The interesting thing is that Ronald Starks was running sort of the accountant of the of the Brotherhood of Eternal Love, and
they were there because no one wanted to join the Weather Underground. They were trying to merge with the Brotherhood of Eternal Love, trying to get new members and all that had their numbers. But Ronald Starks is also thought as a it's a suspect to be Grand Chingan for the Four Pea Colts. Huh. That name Starks or Stark is also something that pops up in old history of
this country in eugenics too. Yeah. Yeah, So whether I don't know if there's any relation or not, but there's another Starks sort of Stark that pops up to well, I think I think it. Well, the two big suspects right now is Stark and William Joseph Brian. I think it's William Joseph Brian because he's described as a large man and we and Joseph Ryan was like three hundred and fifty pounds and Spark had his hands full dealing with the
weather underground in the summer of nineteen seventy. So that either one of those that are seeing as a Grand King John Ching Gun like a suspect for the Grand King Gun. Yeah. Yeah. The allegation for William Joseph Bryant came from David Sylviey's book Project Artichoke, who was a participant. But if you buy the book, I should warn you how only half of it is edited because he died during the editing process. And that's why I don't think it's
like some deep state propaganda type of thing. Is they would have paid to have the rest of the book edited. So when you buy the book, only half of it's edited. And the kids just wanted I guess they just wanted it out there so they don't have to deal with it. So you know, that's a pretty lazy way of doing it, Like this is on
his computer published. It's like, come on, man, I think he was under He might have been under contract, so he had they had to publish it, but they didn't spend any money to have the rest of the thing edited, right right right. I mean I do my own editing when I do stuff like that, which isn't the best, but I mean it's I'm really I try to be meticulous, but they always miss something. Like I read lots of books, so I always noticed I always catch certain things
in other people's well edited books that there's mistakes all the time. There's always do better than me. I can't even see the edit that sucks, man, I do audio books, and way I do my research is audiobooks, calf Death program to kill dot Net. Shout out to George and Patrick. Hey guys out there, listen to me right now. If you have audio books that you think would be of interest, let us know. What's your email address, you know, have to put it up. I'll give it
to you. I'll I if anything comes my way, I'll make sure that way they're not getting bombarded. But okay, I used the newspaper archives because I can change the contrast and the size and every Yeah. Yeah, there's one called Transhumanism, The History of a Dangerous Idea by David Livingstone. He's going to be coming on next Friday. It's not up on the calendar yet,
but I yeah, that's gonna be a fun one. And I mean, Todd, if you want to come back on and maybe we can do like a a kind of like a group talk and get into some more stuff with some more people that have a finder, you know, related work details, stuff like that. That would be a lot of fun. Are you
familiar with doctor Joseph Farrell's work. I heard the name. I think I've heard William Ramsey discuss him, but I'm not you should check out doctor Joseph Farrell when he's on the Walter Bosley channel when they talk about trans temporal warfare. Okay, I mean, it's it's it will blow your mind. It's it's it's that good. It's that good. I'm running it down right now.
Trans temporal warfare. Yep, Okay, that's that's awesome. And then, like I said, if I can never get in touch with the Riding Jewels, I think this would be a good pairing as well, only because it's like, Okay, you can say Satanic panic and you can point at the you know, the carnival aspect of Satanism and make everybody feel stupid, But you can't let three child murderers go in Arkansas in West Memphis because they are all racists and they're all white trash. Big it wasn't true the murdered.
They murder those children, you know what I mean. So, I mean this can be used as a weapon to let psychopaths run free. And they did eighteen years of prison. They're back out doing their thing, right, more money than we do. And he's a piece of shit, right right, I mean, just think, but just think of the cleverness of the whole like Church of Satan thing, like the whole aspect of it. It's just Athianism with rituals, right, because the greatest trick the devil ever
pulled was making you think he didn't exist. This would imply he had to take himself out of the out of the equation, because if the devil doesn't exist, then God doesn't exist, okay, and then you're free to do whatever you want to do. And whatever you want to do is the stuff the devil likes, right, Yeah, if you have no restraints on yourself. And that's why I think the lst the play too, because when you rode a wall, and that's what's happening, you're you're you're you're expanding your
mind, but you're also roading a wall both ways. They let think, they keep things out, yeah, and they let and they and they and they prevent you from going too far right. So, if you don't have a good moral background, and you don't have a good you know, tether to God or your or or to you know, ethics and morality, and you rode that wall, then they're gonna they're gonna fill it with their their culture. They're popular sitting right outside of the other side, and they're gonna
write these these this grand ching On. He's kind of like Hannibal Lecter, right, yeah, all he needs to have a conversation with you, like people talk about hypnosis or they talk about drugs and stuff like that, but good old fashioned persuasion sometimes does the trick. And all he has to do is sit down and have a conversation with you, and he'll even make you think it's your idea. Yeah, right, And the power of ulation.
They brought that up because I think it wasn't. Wasn't Manson as well referred to On. Yes, there's no there's no doubt that he was involved in some way, but he wasn't the grand ching On because Manson's like one hundred and fifty pounds soaking wet, right description. Yeah, Manson liked to sort of borrow ideologies from different groups, Like he borrowed from the Helter Skill Alter stuff from Fountains of the World. Oh that wasn't even okay, Yeah,
yeah, And he borrowed like ideology and ideas from the Processed Church. So he's just sort of made a gulage of a stew of shitty ideas basically, Yeah, they they said he was very very manipulative and very very good at Yeah, who trained him? Because he just wake up you know, well, you know he has his scientology connections. But it's what's interesting is we all know about like the LSD and the sex and stuff like that, But do you know he'd play word games with the girls when they're on LSD,
meaning like kind of implant triggers like puns. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so words don't mean the same thing anymore. And yeah, he just breaking down, like yeah, basically breaking them down. Yeah, with no foundation, you have nothing, no frame of reference anymore. Right, right, And while we were talking about the wall stuff. But do you know what someone with no boundaries is called? What a psychopath? Oh, sociopath too, when they have no emotion attachment. Well, a psychopath is
someone that you're usually born with psychopathy. That's a lot of people get this wrong. Psychopathy is genetic. Sociopathy is not. Sociopathy is created with like abuse and early life trauma. Dexter is not a psychopath. He is actually a sociopath. Gotcha right with with with it? With a code? Right, there's and there's a lot of psychopaths who don't kill anybody. They're like firefighters, people who have don't have the fear response, so they can rush
into a burning building it's still and like save somebody. Yeah, it's not necessarily an urge to do that, but it could be like you're really good at Wall Street, you know, yeah, taken advantage of people or something because you have no better you know, that'd be like the law of escalation. Yes, this is how I do it, but if I do it this way, I'll be more effective at it. Yeah. Yeah, and
that's it becomes greed and you know this, that and the other. You don't ask yourself if if it's uh, if it's more, if it's morally right to do it, if if it benefits you just say, yeah, I'm not gonna do I'll do it. You know. Psychopaths are like drawn to jobs where they have control over people. Like the number one job for psychopaths is like a clergyman or a priest. Surprise, surprise everybody, right, And then you you have like bosses and corporate leaders somewhere, like number
six is like a police officer. So uh, Jason Rivera asked, is that doctor Joseph farah f E r r A from World Next No Pharaoh, Pharaoh f E R R A l L. That's what I thought I heard you say. Yeah, So there you go to Jason. That way, you're looking at the right person. Oh man, if you want, if you want to be something to scare the hell out of you, go watch
his uh two part lecture the Secret Space Program Conference of twenty fifteen. That thing that, oh my god, just scared the the jeebus, you know, the hebgb's out of me, you know, the stuff he was talking about of twenty fifteen. And I'm gonna write that down because I want to get the Bejesus scared out of me later. I mean, I'm doing my work. So Todd, let me ask you this. This is a very important question, the most important question of the whole entire show. Do you
like hot sauce? Do I like hot sauce sometimes? Okay, depends is there and as long as there's no sugar in it, I can have it. I don't do sugar, but I do make a lot of hot sauce. I have like thirty plus varieties that I make. And I've been dating for about ten years. I will find your information out after this show, and I will send you a bottle. Look at that. Awesome. You got it, buddy, I had a really good time. If you here, there anything else you want to talk about, If there's anything you want
to put on the screen. I know you say don't do social media, and that makes sense because I couldn't find very much. That's why i'd ask you if you had a picture. But then I just kind of made like a nice little thumbnail for us. Yeah, you know, yeah, I'm not into people taking my picture just because I can't. I don't even like
Walart because it's just a blur to me, you know how long? Yeah, people, if people want to find me, if they just check out the Walter Bosley channel, first Wednesday of every month, we do California, but watch all of Walter Bosley's videos. We got one coming up tomorrow. It should be a real good one. Let me, I'm gonna put this
on the screen. I'm I'm pretty sure I have the type of the U S B U S L E Y right yeah, all right, so I'm gonna I'm gonna show you this real quick, and they're gonna pop up the other screen real quick. So that is okay, it slow. So the Walter Bosley Show. But here's the other thing I was gonna show you guys, and that is the YouTube. I'll put this in the in the link. It's already in the in the chat, but this is the link that
goes right to the California episodes. So the ability those are the ones that you are typically on. Do you go on other episodes of the bultiposle is typically just the California Uh No, it's typically just California, Okay, Because I know that this is sort of my main I don't consider myself a scholar. I don't consider I don't even consider myself a researcher. I'm just the
random blue collar guy who likes looking up stuff. But that is the main focus of the stuff I look up is a cult, ritual murder, and you know, just the occult in general. And in this period of time, I think the nineteen sixties through the nineteen seventies into the eighties is the most interesting time in American history for me because there's so many stones just left
unturned and so many things left to be discovered. And when we didn't talk about but I have actually discussed this over of course of the last week or so because it ties into River Phoenix was the Children of God? Yes, I don't know, like I know, there's like the didn't the processed Church turned into like the the foundation Church of the New Millennium and then just the of the new Millennium? Yeah? Yeah, name changes? Yeah? What was the best did the animals? Thing? Is? That? Is that
processed church too? With the Best Friend the Best Friends Animal Shelter. But yeah, I remember Marianne McLain and Robert de Grimston got divorced, so that this is more Marianne to claim mcclaims thing like the Best Friends Animal Shelter.
Okay, of course she's Now what's interesting about her is she is uh suspected of being part of the Perfumo scandal in London, which is interesting, which was a sort of sex scandal with a lot of politicians in London or in England, uh and prostitution into the honeypot thing where they're doing the honeypopp thing. And supposedly she dated Sugar Ray Robinson who had a pro to fake a precognitive dream about killing somebody in a boxing match in nineteen forty seven and it
came true. Wow, So they're into the Ashra projection and all that stuff too. Then I'm imagined, right, And so I don't know if you read Mirror Monster. William Ramsey sort of turned me on to it, but apparently supposedly to David Berkerwitz met dig Remston, but then he had his doubts because he didn't look like his pictures. But according to this book, they
may have met at one of the cult sort of gatherings. That's another perfect example when you look at Berkowitz's past in the military and then you say, okay, so government program perhaps right, well, the breaking of his of his psyche because he wasn't quite I mean, he wasn't mentally disturbed enough to be in the military, So it sound like he was born he was mental defective prior to his military experience. It seems like something that it was done
to him, you know. And then because he is kind of touched, I mean, he got a you know, and I think he's a he's a newly found Christian as the last five ten years ago, right, He's he's a great He's a great source David Berkowitz because the way he describes it, he describes it like terrorism, right, it's it's it's uh, it's anarchy and terrorism, and it was their Their job was to create chaos, like he literally says it. Yeah, so that's all there to go right
there, I mean, flat out yeah. Only question was is seventy six and the seventy seven election year in New York? Was it for mayors or governors or something? I don't know. I've never thought the look because I was so focused on the California type of stuff. But that would be interesting, wouldn't it. Yeah. And uh, that's the other thing too, is like they don't think that he was either the only guy or the actual guy, because I mean he was, he was one of many. Yeah,
yeah, that's yeah. But that John Carr and Michael Carr of course. Uh, like to get even deeper into the weeds, you have John Carr, who is an Air Force guy who was stationed a military another military member, right, right, it's stationed in North Dakota, right, the same place Arles Perry is from. Of course, Arlett Perry gets a cult ritual murdered in seventy four by Manson, orchestrated by Manson. The second thought that be William Minzer. Right, So this this spider's web it keeps growing
and growing and growing. That's very interesting, especially, oh man, I mean, you could go on and on with this, the way the way this just spirals. And again it's so much seems like it's controlled by the various people that because I mean, look at this. If there were so many people screaming and clamoring saying that this isn't the whole story with with Berkowitz, and yet the police investigation shut the doors and everything else. So it's like, yeah, we're done, we got we gave you a face.
We're out of our way. So it's almost like that was controlled too. It's like, right right on the investigation, you got a person. Let's move on, you know, move on right, Well, do we have any more questions? Uh, we can do. We can ask give people a couple of seconds of response. I know there's a tiny, tiny delay. If there's anything else you want to discuss in the million, I'm gonna look. I'm looking in here too to see if there's a well, I'm
gonna plug. Walter Bosley's new book, Nimsa, How America Sold It Soul a very interesting read, very interesting about the proto Nazis operating in sort of the eighteenth century into the early nine I mean the nineteenth century into the early twentieth century. Very interesting. So what's the name of the book. I'm gonna type it and see if I can find a website and put it up for you. Oh sure, it's well, it's available at lulu dot com. But it's it's Nimza How America sold its seul n y m z A.
Yeah. He also talks at the twenty fifteen Secret Space Program conference. I notice he does. He doesn't models too, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, sol Oh there it is right there, bam Walter Bosley. All right, cool. Once I put it up on the screen, I'll do one of these guys. You guys have last last call for questions too. Sometimes these are tough times because some people will be We're good. Well, actually not after sex, that's okay, you know, just whenever you start
playing the semi sonic song closing time there. Yeah, so there is. It's how America sold its soul. Let me get this other way and that is. Walter Bosley explores the darker implications of America's post World War Two relationship with the enemy and how a medieval method of invasion and conquest was used against the Allied victors. This is an examination of a political, financial, and societal compromise of the United States by an organization with the roots dating back centuries
NIMS how America sold its soul. And that's it. So there you go, and what we will do. If anybody has links to books that they would recommend that you can find an audio book for I want you to send me the link the information. I will give that list of whatever somebody sends to me to Todd, let him improves and decide whether or not he wants one of them or not, and then we can help flor you know, help him get some some more interesting things to read. I think that would
be a great idea. And it's be very kind if you guys out there would do that. All right, And that's it, Todd, last last, uh last talks not good. Oh yeah, it was a great time. Thank you so much for having me. I am so honored to be here on here with you, uh and uh. I wish everybody in the chat well, and thank you for coming out and listening. All right, that's it, guys, thank you so much, and we will be thank you for having me. Dude, I was more than happy to have you
on. I was really enjoying what I had heard from like William Ramsey. I I kind of binge what listened to him when I when I do these long drives back and forth of San Diego. So that was that was great. And then I'm going to by your you know, examples here the things that you recommended. I'm going to go hit up mister Bosley's station channel and I'm going to get some of those under my belt too. So I appreciate all of your work, all of your time, and thank you for being
so insightful in the things that we were discussing today. I learned something, so thank you, thank you. And for those of you out there, I'm going to talk to him a little bit offscreen, so you know the description beneath the picture that you're watching, all the links for all the stuff. All right, help out the show please, and I'd greatly appreciate it. Thank you,