Myke Hideous and the Occult Rejects (Misfits Myke)

Okay, we are live here on Rumble and Twitter, and if you are a follower of the Occult Rejects, you'll find it also playing on their platforms. I'm here today with Mike Hideous from the Empire, Hideous from what what do you call it? Who was the Other One? Spy Society? And then also the Misfits, Misfits exactly and Bronx Casket Company. I was gonna say, don't forget the Bronx. I was in New York. I remember you ask the one I didn't know. That's awesome. Yeah, I was

like, oh, that's interesting. Yeah. So we have Mike's website pulled up here. We also have his Finding the Truth with Mike Hideous, which I think is still active. Right you're still Uh it's kind of a hard thing to explain, but we're kind of in the middle of working out some problems. But okay, technically it's still going, but right now we've been on a hiatus. Gotcha. I love the Evil Dead two poster in the background too, and big Big Fan original. That's an original poster. Oh

that's great, that's funny. I just told somebody about that today myself. They had never seen the movie they they left. I think I had posted a Necronomicon something. It was like a jug You ever see that Leonardo DiCaprio look where he's always got that that funny look going, And it was like something like that, like him having the Necronomicon in his hand. He was like me making a look like I care about you know. He was like putting it in like a free free book box I have. Are you talking

about the Are you talking about the Simon Necronomicon? It looked like the one from the From the Evil Dead? I mean one, Okay, Yeah, I don't know if they're actually I actually have the Simon the hardcover limited edition Necronomicon that was released in nineteen seventy. Is that printed by Watserman? Oh? Off the top of my head, I couldn't tell you. But Simon was the author and a lot of controversy about that book. But it's a limited of the hardcover book that I had that I own. I'm very proud

of it. Cool. Cool, Sorry, all right? So where I first met or was introduced to by digital, not by by you know, face to face, But when I first learned of Mike Hideous it was from the Michael Deacon program. So I have to give a shout out to Mike. Very funny, very entertaining, very almost and it's funny to say this because it's very you know, some kind of sometimes raunchy, but wholesome in a way, because Mike is just such a freaking nice guy. Mike Hideous

is such a nice guy. And that's what struck me to want to look deeper into what he was all about, because you know, sometimes I take away something I'm just you know, once I have that bead of you know, laser sight focus, I want to start looking at everything. And that was what it was for him. It was just this kindness that that you know, came from everything, my dog, my daughter's gone back and forth because she's home from school now. But I mean, that's that's one of

the things that struck me. And I think my question too, is when it comes to what Michael Deacon was saying about, you know you you claim or you are or Satanist, right, yes, okay, And what he was saying is you're just too nice of a guy to be one. And so so I think we need to clarify what that means to different people, because I think that there's a big misconception as to what that actually is when it entails. I think a lot of that the hype of movies and music

and stuff like that. I mean, there's an expression, there's the there's the way to like, you know, just you know, put yourself first. And then there's also this idea that it takes in all this Talmudic and cabalistic child sacrifice stuff, which I think was a cover for more I guess you could call Hebrew oriented things that are happening in the eighties where they had the Satanic Panic, they just labeled everything under one box called the Satanic Panic,

and you know, try to discredit it. But I think there was actually real stuff going on. Definitely, there was a lot of cult activity going on. There's always there's always stuff going on though. That's the issue, and they you just mentioned the eighties Satanic panic. The thing is that when that happened, let's back it up, even Furst. Yeah, yeah, please. Religion, all main mainstream religions are always going to use the

negative side to bring you into the positive side. So people are brought up on the idea that, you know, Satanism is a bad thing, it's a negative thing. And that's mainly because that's how religion presents it. And let's put it this way, if it wasn't for satan, the church would be out of business, so right, I mean that that's the truth. I mean, let's face it, because if we didn't have religion to tell us what to do, then you know, it's like a business merger exactly.

But what I'm trying to say is that it all comes down to religion, and the majority of is nic. Okay over there, he's okay, there you go. But you know, the religion teaches people one dogmave you and that's it. And I'm not knocking it. I mean I was a Roman Catholic for years most star I'm just thinking, does all of us slap at the Jesuits? That's all. All I'm saying is that, uh, that's how we're brought up to see Satanism. There is no man in the

clouds looking down upon us. There is no demonic figure with horns, red skin and a point detail below us. There is no heaven, there is no hell. That's how I see it. You could because you could say I'm an atheist, fine, whatever, But when I read the Satanic Bible. It was the best self help book I ever read. Is that Anton zender LaVey's Yeah Satanic Bible. Okay, yeah, yeah, there's also Michael Aquino's revised version, right, which had a little with him. He had

a little he had a little tiff with with Levey. Yeah. Well that went way back to probably the late sixties, early seventies when they broke up. Yeah, yeah, they was later on, Uh no, because what happened was Levey started charge of taking money, Yeah, taking money from people to make them high high priests. And that's not what Michael Aquino wanted. And he had a point there. Nevertheless, Uh look, I'm not going to say that there weren't things that that Levey did that might have been unorthodox

for the Satanic religion. But nevertheless, Michael Aquino he had his vision, and his vision it made sense, which is, you don't just let people pay you. That's bribery, not maybe not bribery, well getting paid off, well you know what, you know what sucks about that too. It

is just my opinion. I really don't know. I don't know much about the Satanic the temple set or any of this stuff, but in my opinion, going from my experience in like the Oto or just even when it comes to occultism, you know, if you have money, it doesn't matter. And then like what your understanding of occultism a magic is, and then you're gonna move up. People are gonna look at you because you're higher up.

And then when you say ignorant shit, they're gonna take it as goal right and now and then now people that are there searching for something are getting fed bullshit and they believe it that that's where I would actually have all those problems with. I mean, I just I just tend to see Satanism modern Satanism as a way of bettering yourself succeeding. And that's why they call it the selfish religious self reflection, self self fulfill Yeah, of course you have to,

you know, I don't. I don't. I don't drink blood, I don't sacrifice babies or kittens. I mean, in fact, one of the first things in the Satanic Bible is you never harm animals or children or anybody else unless they harm you. It's not an it's an eye for an eye. It's not you know, you slap me and I turned the cheek. That that's not how it is. It's that's why I said it's cold. It's called the selfish religion. So when you're what do you think this

other element comes from? And why do you think they blur the line? And you know imposed this and let me ask you what you think about the West Memphis three. I mean, because I'm I'm certain that they did what they did. I think that they used the satanic panic excuse to try to say that that was you know, it was just that they were just being a you know, what's the hard I'm trying to say, pigeonholed into it because of their their being where and black, and also it was all bullshit.

There was there was plenty of evidence there was a long history for eCos having mental issues and all this other stuff and what he was into and what these other kids were involved in, and they're multiple confessions that occurred afterward. But the spin and trying to get them all out and try to save them through all the I think I see that was another part of a ritual.

Eighteen years later, they have all this support, getting people, you know, and then it's all it's all musicians and freaking uh Jackson Peter Jackson fronting the money for their defense. Yeah, what was your question? So how do you think why is it that they mixed these and confused the issue where like you say, in Satanism they're not about harming, not about the blood

drink and all this stuff in that and that respect. So how does it get get mixed into like the Talmudic and like this ancient Babylonian magic stuff that is usually interchangeable and very as far as what people perceive it as. First and foremost, a lot of younger people who get into Satanism get into it because it's cool, you know. And uh, and then you have the music industry which almost really like especially heavy metal, with profits off of that.

You know that uh that look that mindset, I'm sorry, like an edge, It provides an edge, Yeah, I mean, you know, look at Ozzy. Ozzy was uh they called Ozzy the Prince of Darkness. Bands like Dio, Iron Maiden, Slayer, King Diamond, all these heavy metal bands that were, you know, uh, were very Satanic oriented. You know, I see I see Sabbath as being kind of like roped into it because that's what everybody perceived them as, like kind of incorrectly at first,

so they just finally I ran with it as a theme. Yeah. Again, it's how we are brought up to understand what Satanism is. And if you're like, listen to old Black Sabbath and look at the lyrics, it'd be like, he doesn't sound any different than a conspiracy theorist from twenty twenty four. However, if you look, however, if you look at the first Black Sabbath album, you know, the first album Black Sabbath, I mean that that in itself is a Satanic album. I mean that scared

the living shit out of me. When I was about six. I always thought the album cover was just really creepy on oh my God, but it was just yeah, it was oh my God. It gave me nightmares. I was so scared of that album, But now I love it anyway. Like I said, it's because of the way we're brought up to understand what Satanism is. And don't get me wrong, people do take it and use

it for the wrong thing. If you're going to hurt an animal, a child, or anybody else with that matter, you better stay away from me because I will hurt you bad. And that's not Satanism. And by from your from your perspective, that's that's that's logic, that's logic. So so what so what is that element? Then? What would you label the element that does the sacrifice? What would you say that is? Is that more? Is that more? Babylonian dummies? Dummies? Anybody? Look the Islamic

religion they kill everything for like sacrifice and and ritual. They open a airport and they slice a lamb's throat or a goat's sore, Why what's the purpose? The same with the Jewish religion. They have this thing where they call, you know what the scapegoat is? The escapegoat is was when they take a fucking goat and they drop it out of four story building Jesus or And I mean, it's terrible, It's terrible. I I'll do anything for an animal, I really will. That's how much I love animals. But in

fact, I just adopted a kitten on Monday. The point of the matter is you don't do that to anything. No living creature deserves to be sacrificed or beaten or hurt in any way. And that goes for people too, So I I you know, and again it says it right in the Satanic

Bible. You don't do that. You don't harm individuals unless they harm you first, all right, So I mean I would say, like I read Michael Ford's Babylonian magic book called mass Game Hole, and to me, that like what they depict there and what I learned about sabotine and Frankism, to me, that's more of what they're kind of push into calling a Satanism than anything else. It's more of the Babylonian stuff, and it's the frankest stuff

that isn't. Isn't Michael Ford a Luciferian? Yeah? Yeah, he wasn't. I think he was also allegedly in the the the global death cult there that what's his name talks about William William ran oh at nine angles Yeah you go, oh oh yeah. I have that book too, very complicated read. Yeah, And I also have one of Michael's books as well. I know he's done a couple of them, quite a few actually, but I

only have one. Yeah. So as soon as that, what would you say the difference between Luciferianism and these are the general questions that people want to know, and the confusion is that that everything's all lumped into one category, right, and it's not discernible, and you know what I mean, then there's prejudice, and that's what they want. They want that confusion. So what would you say a Luciferian is in relation to a Satanist to it?

And is it different? I don't know. I gotta be honest. I'm not that educated on what the Luciferian religion varietyology conducts, or what they want from their followers or what they believe in. I really don't know. And I got to be perfectly honest with you. I read Michael's Michael Ford's book back in two thousand, I think it was two thousand and eight, nine, maybe ten. It's been a while. Yeah, I don't remember exactly what the what the the ideology of Luciferian is. I gotta be honest,

I don't I don't remember. We'll move on from this topic. I and I said, but one one more question I have. So do you practice like any type of conjuring, any type of spells? Is there any like circle that you stand in or stand outside of? Is like, what what is it that you would say? Is it in your mind incorporated into the idea of what Satanism is? I can neither confirm nor deny my activity in

rituals. Okay, I'm kidding with you. When I began to study the occult and witchcraft and Satanism back from about two thousand, I think it was two thousand and six up until about how long was it, geez, almost until about two thousand and twelve or thirteen. All that time I was studying

it, I tend I found that for me. I'm kind of getting off the subject here, so as far as the I think, what I'm trying to say is that when I got into it, of course, like any curious person, you want to experiment with what you're reading about, and I was no different. I wanted to understand what it was I was messing with because the first thing, you know, you get these books sometimes you open

up there. We have no responsibility for whatever may take place in your life after you read this book or if you practice these these these these rituals or curses. So the first thing I started doing was rituals and curses. You know, I wanted to understand what I was messing with. And I'm not really afraid of the other side, so to speak, for lack of a better term, I swollow you after a while, though, Do you have a dark passenger looking over your shoulder or what if? If I do,

I don't recognize it. But I will say this, the first couple of rituals and curses that I did worked. And that's all I can really tell you how it happened. I don't know. Well, that's enough to incentivize you to get really deep into it, right right, which is why I kept going. But you know, I gotta admit that it's been since I moved to Pennsylvania, you know, originally from Jersey, since I moved to

Pennsylvania, I haven't really done a lot followed a lot with it. I've been, got to be honest, I've been really preoccupied with other things in my life and I just don't or haven't been able to find the time to focus on that. So but I still I still buy books, I still read about it. I still find it absolutely fascinating, and yeah that I don't I guess anybody would want to dabble in it if they're curious about it.

I think you have to have the mindset to be open minded and say, Okay, all right, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna try this and see what happens. But I've never I've never conjured I've never conjured demons for certain purposes, but I have I have conducted rituals and curses. You could take that any way you want it, really, right, Do you guys have

any questions? I was going to uh move on to the topic, but if you guys have anything else you want to ask on this regard, well, I was gonna comment maybe I guess like a little bit of what he just said, like from my own experience. I know you told him prior that I was in the Oto. I was in that for a little bit,

and then eventually I just left. But uh, you know, even for me, like you know, I guess like in the beginning, same thing, I was all big and huge about like learning the Russia, Vanishing Ritro the Pentagram, and then I got to do the hexagram and then Star

Ruby and all this other stuff. You know, you get into all that you start playing around with like invoking certain speares from the Kabbala and all you know, from the cabalistic tree or gods or all those associations, and then like at some point, for me, like I just I believe that I had magical experiences and realized that I didn't need to do the rituals and I could just do it in meditation, you know what I'm saying. So like even for me, I mean, I don't push myself that far anymore.

I might put myself pretty deep, but in my opinion, I try not to trying not to really go that far. By the way, you have amazing eyes. It's the tailor oft the blue. But like for me, and also I mean that in the most manly way, I kind of didn't think you're really going there totally. Honestly, I really didn't anyway, No you were saying, yeah, So like even kind of like my experience, I was like really big into that, and I guess maybe again this is

just for me my experiences of magic. I just really felt that like I didn't need to do all that stuff, and like in some ways I thought, you know, me me asking like tohudi or something for something, I was still being a slave. Well you know what, you know what Levey said about what you just said, All of that is psychodrama. The candles, the banners, they alter, it's all psychodrama. Once you learn it here, you don't need any of that, and I was like, I

can just go into a meditation and get the same effects. So I find that interesting. It's just it's all about the mind and kind of your experience because the way you were saying, and I was like, that kind of sounds like me a little bit. I was at the beginning, and then

after that I just realized that I didn't need it anymore now. Levey uh specifically talks about it in the Satanic Bible and mentions how it's it's what's called psychodrama, and Uh, it's everything that you use to the incense, the candles, everything, it's all to get your mind and your spirit and your body focused on what it is you are trying to accomplish. Ultimately, we are talking about an ancient practice that I believe predates Satanism, and it's just

witchcraft in a sense, dark witchcraft. And then again witchcraft is black and white, and so you are basically you're training your mind to try to alter or bend reality or or the present and or future. So when I did what I had to do for my rituals and curses, I did them in a way where, you know, after having read everything I needed to read, I was training my mind to hopefully alter the future, and basically in some what out I don't know without making it sound like, you know,

like I'm a magician, it actually worked. Whether you call it chance or you call it luck, I don't know what it happened. And I was positively blown away. Yeah, I find it interesting that you know they have the Now you can tell me if I'm wrong about this, but when I was reading masquine Hole, they have different color strings that they would tie to the figure for whatever type of like a purse that they're trying to put on

it. I find it interesting that if you wanted to make somebody ill, it would be a blue string, and the medical establishment is everything's blue, right, And I find that a little bit more of the cultic like throwback to what they're actually doing to you. It's like an eugenics program, not really there for your health, you know. And there's a little bit of ritual involved in there too, and you know, the symbols of the cadusis

or whatever else you want to call that. You know, that was even something else I was thinking of when you were saying a lot of it is like setting your mind up. I know, this is gonna be kind of an outline, just claint. But like even my experience is with like the less of banishing ritual, the pentagram and maybe even the hextagram, Like I have even wondered, is that even just me like kind of representing the change that's going on inside my eyeball when I'm having a magical experience, you know,

and closing my pupil depending if I'm banishing or invoking. Who knows, it seems. I was just like, yo, this is he just started thinking. I was like, health again, this is needed. Once you realize what's there on paper, you're gonna understand. Like, okay, I am right when I thought this was what's going on. Yeah, if I

may not for nothing, but I wanted to mention this. After I had studied the occult and witchcraft and Satanism for about six or seven years, I was so intrigued by all of it, I decided to write my own personal grimoire and I did it all by hand. A nice book. In fact, the book was bought in Turkey. It's handmade, it's got a leather

cover, and it was given to me by a friend. Now I do artwork, so he originally got it for me to do artwork in, but it had the kind of paper that doesn't really it's not good with a pencil,

it's good to write on with a pen. So I took what I felt was the best that I could find from all of books I had read for all those years, and I incorporated them into one book, as well as putting my own versions of spells and rituals in that book four hundred and ten pages, all written by hand, drawings by yours truly, both original and copies from some of the Grim Wars that I had already read. The reason I did it is because when I read the original Grim Wars from a

thousand years ago, the majority of them all include two things. They're all about God, number one and number two. Every time they were trying to

invoke a demon for nefarious purposes, they always bound that demon. Therefore, even if they're if you, whether you believe in demons or not, Therefore, when you get this demon to do your deeds, it's not going to like you, right, which is why when Anton LaVey took over the whole Satanic thing and made you know, the new version of modern Satanism, the first thing he said was, you don't want to get these things pissed off

at you because they're they're they're working for you. Why would you want to bind them and anger them. So that's why I once I I read all the old Grim Wars, I'm like, this isn't right, this can't be right. So that's when I read That's when I began to read more about Satanism and Anton Lavy and began to truly understand what modern Satanism is. And like I said, I wrote the book. I'm very, very proud of it. It's one of my greatest achievements. It took me one year.

Every single day I wrote in that book every whether it was one page or twenty pages, I wrote in that book every day for a full year, and I created one of the greatest books, in my personal opinion, that I had Let me rephrase that, one of the greatest creations of art that I had ever created. Because it took me so long to make and it's so detailed. I'm extremely proud of it. You know, some people might not get it or understand, but I just I think it's pretty cool.

And you we should also mention while we have the opportunity here kind of like the segue for this is that you also have a book that's available to all of us called King of an Empire to the Shoes of a Misfit, and that's in its third edition now I believe yes. And that website, I'll just pull it up real quick so you people can see it. So I'm just going to share this real quick so you can see. There's all the

tabs here for all the different types of things. There's misfits Mike right there, but the book tab you'll see you right here, and this is this is Mike's memoirs. I'm sure they're very interesting and I would love to hear some interesting stories if you have the time. But somebody did ask Lisa, did you have anything you wanted to say? I had a quick quick question just in setting with Nick some of the Grim Wars and some of the occultists

of past. It seems to me, and being from an academic scientific training, is that majority of this stuff kind of draws upon quantum quantum mechanics. You know a lot of this type of science. That's friends. You could say, would you say that Satanism plays upon or potentially is of that sort more so than I guess what people will give it credit to be. I'm

sorry. It plays on what plays on like like quantum mechanics, or like with the rituals, with the invoking and stuff like that, harnessing the mental power of it all, you know, it could be. I don't have a definitive answer for that. I think it really depends on what an individual beliefs. I am a skeptic. I'm a skeptic on everything. I need

proof for everything which is weird. You know how I could be into the occult and satanism and rituals and all that because I believe in science, which you know, if you read the Bible, science, yeah, exactly. Science was brought to us by the fallen angels and they taught mankind and obviously that's that's a myth in the story, but it's a great story as well as they taught that. The angels taught us how to use weapons and how

to I don't know, do a bunch of different stuff. But I think it all depends on the people who are reading about it and what they choose to, you know, to believe. So it's really it's really in the eyes of the believer or the reader. I hope that answered your question. It does, it does, it does. Thank you. All right, So we have a question here that I thought it was pretty interesting and it'll kind of get us into the other aspect. We can always jump right back

into this topic though. But Eric Alexander, who it looks like, is an admin on one of your things as curious if Mike has any fun stories from Alchemy back in the day for those of us who were too young and stuck in the Midwest. I first heard of him because of the Misfits and later a Voltaire song. Yeah, Voltaire wrote a song where he mentions me Alchemy. Uh if I'm correct here, what this person Eric Eric is referring to is a nightclub that was in New York City that I used to go

to and hang out. It was first it was at a club what the hell is it called? Damn? I don't remember, but when they moved it to CBGB's Gallery is when they changed it to Alchemy. And it was one of the longest running gothic nightclubs in New York City and I used to you know, I played there a couple of times. I used to go

there and hang out with my friends. You know could always catch Rolta there and myself and my friend Mark, my my friend Mark Steiner, A lot of different people would hang out there and it was just just a hangout. Really. I think that's about all I really can say about it. I mean, I did, I did gigs there, but uh, that's pretty much it. I hope that answers your your question. Eric. So my question for everybody when it comes to music is how did you punch a hole

into getting into like on stage? Like? What did who? Was it? A group of friends that just happened to be musically inclined and you and you guys got together magneta magneta eyes together and started doing something. How does that even take off the ground to where other people are like, yeah, that guy, let me want him for this band. I'm gonna be really

obnoxious, and I'm gonna say I wrote a book about it. I actually wrote a book about how I got into music, from the very beginning when I first started out until in the last chapter that I added to the third edition, which brings me up to date into two thousand toy I think it was twenty fourteen is where I ended it. But basically in a nutshell, and I hope you guys will buy the book. Whoever's listening to this,

But basically, I'm a cancer survivor. I've had cancer like eight times in my life, and the first the second time I had it, I became very determined because I was an artist. I've been an artist since I was thirteen, and as I progressed, I wanted a new outlet. So after my second bout with cancer, I wrote a few songs. I bought a cassio keyboard like one hundred and twenty bucks, and I began writing music. Then I began writing lyrics. Now I knew nothing about making music. I

have two older brothers. My brother Steve is a piano player as well as a music conductor. He went to school for that. And I also have

an older brother, Frank, who was into rock and roll. And you know Frank, my oldest brother, Frank, he was, you know, the guitar player and the drummer, and he was into bands like Zeppelin and a lot of bands I really wasn't into, but you know, Zeppelin, Sabbath, the Who, classic rock, you know, So I got that from him, and then from my brother Steve, I got the classical music, which is pretty much all I really got from him on that. But

I didn't learn. I never knew how to play an instrument. I never knew how to sing. I never knew how to write a song. But I just decided, you know what, I'm going to do it, and I went, I got a keyboard. I just began to write. I had a friend of mine who played guitar. Kid was sixteen when I asked him to play with me. Let me say that again, when I asked him to play in my band, and basically he helped me convert the notes

that I was playing on the keyboard into chords on the guitar. And then from there we began to write, or I should say we began to structure the songs that I had written. Eventually we found a bass player, a guitar play on, a drummer. We asked them to join us. We began, you know, rehearsing these songs because ultimately, all I wanted to do was write these songs and record them from my own personal nostalgic memories.

That's it. I had no intention on playing out or anything, but that all changed when people started asking, you know, are you gonna play out, Are you gonna you know, are you gonna Are you gonna do something? I had no intention, but then one day I just said, all right, well, book a gig. Played my first gig at a club in Nork, New Jersey called the Pipeline, which many big bands played, you know, as they were coming through touring, and I was fortunate,

fortunate enough to have gotten that opportunity. And from that point on, after right before the release of my first twelve inch EP, the band I had quit on me, so I had to move to other musicians, and it, unfortunately for me, the rest of my career revolved around constantly finding new musicians to play in my band. So, yeah, I think in nutshell, I think I've answered your question. That's how I got into music. I basically just I had no uh, no background in it or anything like

that. I just decided I was going to do it, so right off the right off the bat. Was it the Empire Hideous or was it some name changes I actually did? I was in a band. Did you ever hear of the band m O D? Okay? Yeah yeah? Method of Destruction? Yeah yeah, yeah, okay yeah s O D is Yeah, that's what I got stuck in my head, all right. So M O D had a Billy Milano in it, and he was in s O D.

Uh. So Billy Millano was the singer and this guy Kenny Blone played guitar, who has tragically died in the I think it was the last two or three years. Kenny, what's up? Another COVID victim? No? No, no, he he had some kind of cancer or something. I'm not exactly one hundred percent. Anyway, My point is that Kenny and I weren't in my We were in band together for like my first band ever. I was seventeen years old, and it was called Angry Corpses and it was

a punk rock, hardcore punk rock band. And as I said, it was my first project. We never really played out or did anything like that, but you know, that was my first project. By the time I did the other, the next thing with all the other guys, that was

the Empire Hideous. That's when I started an Empire. So that was nineteen eighty eight, okay, And then so were these other bands in tandem, like with the Spy Society or as that that I just came after the other thing kind of fizzled out or in between howiatus band, because a lot of people have a lot of projects, and it's really amazing how they juggled them all, especially when you're always trying to find people to stick it with their

band and not go do something else. Well, what happened was when I was when I was touring with the Misfits, we were literally on a plane ride back from Europe and the bass player, Jerry had said to me, listen, he said, start writing lyrics because when we get back, we're gon we're gonna get ready to write a new album. So I began to write lyrics for songs, and it just so happened that after we got back

from the South American tour, shortly after I was out. So what I did is I created a new band called Spy Society ninety nine or SS ninety nine for short, and I took the lyrics that I had written for the Misfit songs and just basically turned them into Spy Society songs. And that's how that emerged. In fact, one of my favorite bands was Spy Society. It is such a great I hate to boast, but it was such a great idea. It had such market potential and Unfortunately, it never really got

off the ground further than it did put a CD out of it. It took fourteen years, but I finally released a CD in twenty fourteen. And I should have never stopped that band. It was a great band. Awesome. I'm gonna have to look at that even closer. So with the Misfits, I want to hear some you know, you're positives of it, But it almost sounds like when I was listening to, like a a couple of minutes of another interview that you had, and it sounds like the same thing

that Glenn had a problem with the rest of the guys. You kind of ended up having the same fucking problem with them, and it was just like they're not the direction is off. They just want to do a certain way and it almost and to me, it almost seems like the whole Levey thing, like, you know, let's just see how much we can milk this thing and fuck the fuck to the principles. Right, I'll put it to you this way. So here's the positive things that I had from the band.

I had known Jerry and Doyle, who were brothers. I had known them for eleven years before I got into the band and became the singer. And basically, I don't want to give it all away. I would really hope that everybody will buy the book to get the whole stories. But I knew them prior to getting in the band, and getting in there was a huge thing for me because when I was a kid, these guys were like wow, you know, like they lived to like a couple of towns over

from where I lived. I was born and raised in Patterson, New Jersey. So knowing that this very cool look in punk rock band came out of Low Die and I bought all their I had every one of their records. I spent a fortune getting them back then now they're worth even more. But I had every record with the love that in the What's Up with a Cool Horror thing? Too? Like that was that was a big deal. That

that was, you know, all Glenn's doing. So you know, years later, when I finally meet them, that was a big deal for me too. And then because I met them in eighty seven, I believe it was in the summer of eighty seven, and then you know, years go by, eleven years goes by, and they asked me to join the band, and I mean that was something like you can't imagine. That's like, you know, your favorite band coming up to you and say, hey, we need a new singer guitar player, and you're it. So it was

a big, big deal. So there was that aspect. Then it's kind of catapulted my own career as my Hideous with Empire Hideous when I started, you know, all my CD started selling and everything like that. So that was a good thing. When I first got into the band, and it was it was amazing. Jerry treated me like his little brother. That's cool, and that felt good. That felt really good. But then Doyle and Chud they didn't want me in the band. They wanted the other singer back,

Michael Graves. So I was very confused and a lot of them but he has anything good to say about Graves. As far as the fans though, so what the hell is like? I don't get them. Why is the band so got a boner over the guy? And there nobody who like fucking listens to music wants to hear them. I can't tell you how they feel about it, but I can honestly tell you I tried to audition for

them as their singer in ninety five, and it just didn't happen. But they took Michael Graves because he was a young kid, he was eighteen, impressionable, and they were able to mold him. Yes, I knew what they wanted. I knew you were going to say that here, you know, and then I come into the band. I'm how old do I think? I was thirty two at the time, maybe thirty, I don't remember. But you know, here's you know, this guy comes into the band.

I've got my own identity. I've already got a background as my kideous worldwide really right, and people knew who I was trying to figure it out yet, right, and and you know I come in. They wanted they literally, Jerry literally wanted to dress me up in the same outfit that Graves were on stage and not tell anybody who I was. I'm like, no fucking way, I said, I'm not not going to do that. Secondly,

I was promised a contract. I never got the contract. They told me that if you cut your hair now, mind you, My hair was all the ways down past my ass, That's how long my hair was. And they and the reason it was that long is because when I had cancer eight years Prior to that, I had no hair, so growing that hair was a trophy for me. For sure, man, for sure. So now do you know who Peter Steele is from Typo Negative? Him and I were friends. Yeah, him and I were friend. In fact, I

was the one who did his last interview before he died. Oh we'll get to that please. So I cut my hair and I'm going to jump ahead a little bit. But after everything fell apart, I was talking to Peter on the phony and I told him what happened. It's like because I was you know, like I said, I was told, if you cut your hair, it'll be a good incentive and it'll make them realize that you really

want to be part of this gig. Like an initiation, rich, I cut my hair off, thirty inches of my hair gone, all right, yeah it's hair. And they didn't understand this is a trophy from me that I had. I cut it off for them. Not only did I do that, I quit my job. I had to trained guy to take over them. I used to work for a mag Where are you guys? From?

Where are you are you? Originally upstate in New York but yeah, Texas, Yeah, New York, all right, So if you guys are from the East Coast, you may remember a tabloid newspaper called the East Coast Rocker or the Aquarian Weekly. Anyway, I used to work for that that newspaper, and by working for that newspaper, it got me, uh access

to meeting all these other types of bands. I'm kind of getting a little off uh off q here, but anyway, we're just talking here anyway, man, So you know when I told Peter about how they told me I should cut my hair, he he was like, you gotta be kidding me. He's like, you should sue them. He's like, you you altered your appearance so that you could be in this band and they kick you out. Anyway, I'm kind of jumping ahead of the whole story, but that

was one of the things Peter said. As I said, I moved out of my house. I put all my all my belongings in storage, quit my job, I had to drive to I had to drive to Connecticut to get a passport in one day, because in two weeks all this happened. In two weeks, I had all this stuff. I just said, I had to get ready to go to Europe and be on tour for forty some days and in the meantime going up to vern in, New Jersey to rehearse learning thirty five new songs. I mean, I knew the old Misfit songs,

but I never sang them before. So I had to learn that, pack all my belongings, prepare to quit my job. Uh. Like everything I did in two weeks, they never took into consideration, no conversation, right, I mean, they didn't realize what I I changed my whole life for them. It was a once in a lifetime opportunity for sure, And I understand why you did it, but it sucks that they didn't respect that. No, you know, and and and how punk rock is that?

Right? Like, yeah, cut your hair the first thing they sayed punk rocket put on this uniform and then cut your hair, like, oh yeah, you're super punk rock. Else not wanting, not wanting to tell the audience that it's not Michael Graves, it's somebody looking like like what, we don't even want you to have an identity. We don't want people to know who the fuck you are. But just quit everything and come with us. But see one of the reasons, like, so let me back up again,

to the eighties between eighties book Nice. Between eighty seven and eighty eight is when I stopped really hanging out with the misfits, Jerry in particular. And I'll tell you why. Jerry had a lawsuit that he was preparing against Glenn Danzig. Yeah. Now, I still admired Glenn. He was part of a band that I absolutely loved what those guys have gotten together and done

what they did without Glenn. Now like it's kind of like they kind of they were riding his coattails right right and just still using the game macking the theme that someone else created, I think my opinion. So here's the reason why I stopped really hanging around him as much as I did. He started asking me to go out and buy all these bootlegs that he thought Glenn Danzig was releasing without his authority. Now, mind you, Danzig had just gotten

to the level of rock star fame. Okay, the first Danzig album had come out with the hit Mother and Twist of Caine, and you know, he was doing good. Meanwhile, Jerry and Doyle, they weren't doing anything anymore because they were out of the scene. And Jerry, who was born again Christian as well as I think his brother is, I know, right, better and better. They insisted that Glenn Danzig was worshiping the devil and

paying homage to the devil because he was maybe it was your hand. You're like, yeah, I do that, but you know, they they they just had such a hard time with it and became so bitter that he was making money and they weren't. And basically they didn't have the right spells if they weren't making any money. But the thing is that they started having me buy all these these bootlegs because they wanted to sue Glenn. Were like a

million dollars or more whatever. The amount of money that Jerry spent on lawyers was astronomical, dude, and he wanted you to be his little spy like what I was doing. And eventually I realized, I'm like, wait, what the fuck am I doing? What am I doing? Why Why am I letting them use me like this? And that's exactly what was happening. So I remained friends with him, but I backed off a lot. Why couldn't they have gotten any of their other friends that freaking do that? Why

did they make it? It was like it was like it was like yeah, like I put, oh they did, Okay, they did. But you know, being being the person that I was, you know, I know, yeah, I was. I was starstruck with Jerry and Doyle because I mean, let's face it, they were heroes to me. They abused that for sure, absolutely, and so when it got to the point where

I realized how much I was being used, I backed off. The dudes are huge too, I mean there's a lot of respect and like somebody who has that kind of dedication, like the body building and all that stuff like that, they're they're fucking beast man and they they're there. I don't know what how old they are now, but they're still in shape. Oh oh, and there's no doubt. I mean, Doyle's got muscles coming out of his head. I mean hegantic. The guy I've seen the guy Dial's he

would have been fine. He didn't have to worry. I don't even think now Chippendale. He beat every one of those Chippendales to death. I've seen Doyle. I have seen Doyle stomp on people's heads and he's a big guy to be. He's a monster. He's a monster. But here's my point, So there's a really big boost too. Goddamn Jerry, I'm gonna tell you something that's gonna make perfect sense to you. Okay, So you got Doyle, who is his brother, as a guitar player, and then there

was another brother named Kenny Kayofa who was also part of the band. He did some managing, and he was also the mascot if you he'd come out on stage dressed as the Crimson Ghosts at the beginning of the show. Anyway, Kenny left, Doyle left, and they both left because of their brother, Jerry. What does that tell you, right? Yeah, And that's

your own brothers. Your own brothers are gonna quit a band because they can't tolerate being in a band with you, especially a band that has that much recognition and that much notoriety, right right, like that that must have really been enough for them, say you know what? Fuck this? Like Even when I when I got into the band, Jerry, Jerry would hog excuse me, oh sorry, I hope it in Beltium in the mic, Jerry

just loves attention like he almost didn't know how to separate him. I'm not trying to sound like a like a pompous rock star, but he didn't know how to separate himself from the fans, like we'd literally like we'd be playing this big concert, big show we're getting when we finished the show, takes off his base. As soon as he's done, He's out there on the stage of gud I'm Jerry only love me. And then he up into the audience and just start signing autographs. He would be there for like two hours,

just sign and shit left and right. People would buy something. Love that though. I mean, that's why. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that, but I mean, don't you think you'd have a little bit like kind of a little bit of like mystique to just kind of separate yourself a little bit from the audience. That's how I see it. Maybe I'm wrong. You know when I saw Dicky Barrett do this same thing, like walk around the crowd after my Bostones concert, and he didn't even he

didn't even like like he took his suit off. He was wearing just a T shirt and he didn't he wasn't even facing anybody. I just happened to notice who he was, and he was he was walking among us, but it wasn't like he was trying to let everybody know who he was or that he was there. I just nodded my head because I respected his fucking privacy. You know, I'm not saying that he would have you know, I'm

not saying that you shouldn't interact with the audience. It's just at every show we did, like as soon as we were done, he would jump into the audience and just like hanging out with everybody. Maybe it's just me. I've never gone to see the Police and have like Sting jump in the audience and hang out with me. I never went to go see Kiss and have Paul Stanley jump in the audience and hang out with us. I get you for we always went out and signed autographs. Don't get me wrong, but

he's an attention hog. And the reason I'm not I have no problem saying this is because this is a man who said, after I was out of the band, who had an interview with Stone Cold Steve Austin. He had a podcast he had Jerry on. You know, Jerry said about me, the guy here was your big brother, right, Jerry said, you know, I'm kind of paraphrasing here, but basically that I was a thorn in his side, a black cloud in his life when I was the one who

saved two international tours that they could have cost. I can't tell you how much money they lost, but I know how much money I didn't get paid, is what I could tell you, dude. So that whole thing was just for you know, doing it to do it. You didn't even get a conversation for any of that. I got paid, but not what I was supposed to. Like those guys, right as you say, the no contract screws you probably, and they insisted on having a contract, but I

never got it, so you know I would again. Uh. After two weeks being in the band, I remember I was in Germany and I called my girlfriend at home. I was talking on as as like they just announced on MTV that you're the new singer. Oh, I'm sorry that I'm I'm the new singer who's being auditioned for the part of lead singer. Which is weird because before we left, Jerry said to me, you're the new singer.

So after I heard this news that was being announced on MTV, I went to Jerry and I said, listen, I got to ask you, am I or am I not the new lead singer for the misfits, and he's like, as far as i'm concerned, you are the man, and I'm not looking for anybody else. As far as you're concerned, well that's a little bit of a yeah, a little bit legal easy. And I was like okay. I was like, okay, if that's the way it is, that you're the leader of the band and you're gonna make the shot,

call the shots, then okay, I believe you. But as time went by, little by little, that brotherly love began to separate from me, and I was finding myself alone and they didn't involve me in the band meetings. I wasn't allowed to go in the band meetings. I wasn't given any knowledge on certain things, Like I can't tell you how alone I felt on tour with these guys. That's such a horrible thing. And when they had like a presser, like did they do pressures where they had everybody sitting

at a table? You weren't there when we did it. When whenever we do an interview, we'd have to get a dressed up up in the whole outfit, makeup and all. And he would they I watched him do interviews, Jerry, that is, he would take the mic, and he would not stop talking like the interviewer. I think an interviewer asked him like five or six questions and that was it. He just kept going on and on and on and on and on, and he'd go from one subject to the

next. He just wouldn't stop. He is an attention hog. Well, his name is Jerry Only. Because Jerry Only, Jerry Only. That's why a lot of the fans call you know, they call it the Jerry Only band. Now you know when he plays the Misfits on his own And I can tell you this too. Since they have reunited, I don't think that they're riding on the same tour bus or staying in the same hotel with Glenn. Glen's still doing it like the guy I know, like was like twenty

sixteen or something like that. Yeah, of course, of course that's what it's what it's about. Glenn Danzig told me personally, And this is why I got so upset. He told me personally, Mike, I will never do a reunion show with the Misfits. A because he don't need it and B because he doesn't like them. The only reason they're doing it is because and I'm not going to even say how much they're making because I know.

But let me ask you this. Let's let's talk about a more positive story about Glenn and what he also said to you when you heard this, and he's like, that guy, that's that's the guy, that's the guy who should have been replacing me, basically the bass player of Danzig. His name is Steve Zing, and I've known Steve since he was in sam Hayne prior to Danzig, and one night I ran into him at a club in New Jersey and I'm like, ky, Steve, you know how you doing.

How's things going? And we start talking. He's like, he you know, Mike, I want to tell you something. Glenn and I were looking at videos of you having performed with the band, and he goes, I gotta tell you. Glenn said you were the one that should have been the lead singer for the band, and that I took that to heart. That was such a great That was such a great feeling to know that one of my idols was saying that I was good. And to this day, I

love Glenn. I love Glenn Danzing. I'm a little disupset with the fact that he went and did the reunion when he said he wasn't. But you know, hey, whatever, I'm happy for them. They're doing good. Good for them, Good for them, I really am. I'm happy for them. I'm glad to see that they got what they've gotten. But at

the same time, I'll just leave it at that. You know, there's no pension or four one K for a rock band, so if they have the potential to do something, they may as well, right, especially if they have families and stuff like that. So yeah, I can understand that from that perspective, And it is like a lot of will get lost in the idea that it's also a business because it's what you do for a life, you know, it's not something that you do and then you also have

something else. You're not independently wealthy aside from it. So and I can only imagine what the merchandising is and who got screwed weare on that stuff too, because there is merchandising for Misfits is absolutely out of the control. Yeah, it's like Kiss, It's like Kiss merchandise. It's like once Jerry took over the band. I have said it all my life day the Misfits, the new Misfits, is like the punk rock version of kiss You're pretty good

over here? Were you going to say something? No, no, no, no no. I guess you were just in amazement when I saw you, were like, keep smoking, that'll stop you from coughing. And I noticed, I noticed you have at least one one cat and there the thumbnail that I did it was actually of you holding a cat. One of one of the pictures that I grabbed with you that the cowboy hat on. Was he holding a gray It looked like a Russian Russian blue. I think, oh, that's roly Poly, the big fat one. Yeah, yeah,

what a cat. What a cat? I missed him so much. He was. I called him the rock and roll cat. When I had my art studio in New Jersey, if we had to do a photo session or anything, you know, with the band in the studio, the cat was always there. Love. I missed that cat so much. He was adored by everybody. Fattest cat I ever had lived to be. How old was he? Nineteen years old, had never been to a vet once in his whole life. That's probably the reason why it lasted so long. I didn't

have shots of poison in it. Yeah, he was. He was a great cat. I miss him. But the cats I have now that the one you saw before, the black one, that's Puma. His sister is a little miss Cricket, and she's actually they were born with a disease that was nearly fatal to them. Long story short, she doesn't have the cat like jumping abilities like a normal cat would, so I have to pick her up and put her down to, you know, if she wants to go

somewhere. But she's a loving, adorable cat, although they are both very pissed off right now because I've got a new kitten, and the kitten's name is Booger. I also have three birds too, I have and by the way, all my pets are adopted. I have a blue and gold macaw, which is going to be twenty nine in September. You don't say at all so far? Yeah, right, you always said whenever I'm doing the Michael Deacon program, you'll hear it. But they're quiet now. I think

they're taking a nap. But yeah, the blue and gold macall who has plucked out all his front feathers and back feathers. But that's how I got him. He was neglected, you know. He didn't have the love that something. Yeah. So then I have a parakeet, a male parakeet that has a big tumor on its wing the size of its head, but he's doing it right. And then I have a cockatil who adopted from an older woman who couldn't take care of it anymore. That bird is twenty one years

old. And then to my right here maybe on your left, depending on the screen, Am I right? I have a ball python? Oh cool, very nice? How eld uh? Someone stole that snake for me. They stole it and gave it to me in two thousand and seven. But if it makes me feel better, somebody's familiar and they were gonna kill it anyway, so he's saved it. Go So yeah, I and now I live in the woods, so I'm always out with the deal. I have

chipmunks that eat right out of my hand. That's cool. I had two of them, in fact, one from this yard and one from the other yard. I have hummingbirds. I can stand there holding the feeder and they literally come up right to the feet a while I'm holding it. I've got pictures of me holding my hand out like that with seed in it, with a little black cap chicky that lands on my hand and starts picking the seed at So I am immersed in wildlife out here, and I love it.

I love animals more than anything. Although I'm not a vegetarian or a vegan, I love animals and I do the best I can. And this is why it's so interesting when people have preconceived notions of Satanism and all this other stuff like oh, these people are other mind. It's like this guy is Aspinura for Christ's sake, you know, when he comes home and goes, oh, but you know, you know, Daniel, you're not wrong,

right. As I said, a lot of the younger people that get into it get into it purely because they think it's cool, without really like really researching and finding out what Satanism can be for you. Then you're just going by like yeah, man, hail satan. It's not like that. So I have one of one of my UH viewers here, he says, okay, so Satanists have the bad reputation much like there's bad Drunks, and Mike sounds like a good Satanist, like like there's good Drunks. Is that a

decent Yeah? Yeah, I guess you could say that. I mean, you know, I'm not going to brag about myself. I just try to do the right thing in life. I'm older now, you know when I was younger. You know, like anybody, we make mistakes, you know, but you learn from the hopefully you learn from those mistakes. And now I'm kind of person that'll actually learn from a mistake rather right in that way.

And and you know when when you if you pick up like a Slayer album, which is filled with you know, symbolism of Satanism, do you immediately get the notion that, you know, it's just a cool thing, the in thing to do for heavy metal. And the funny thing about Slayer is the lead singer, I can't remember his name, but his father is like a preacher. Yeah, that's what I had heard, that they come from buried about families. He does, I know he does. I don't

know about the rest of them. There's a lot of those paradoxes where there's people who are either in the you know, have family member there are a clergy or their military intelligence and just happened to be in bands. You know.

It's just a lot of that going on. So there was another thing I wanted to bring up Mike and that's well also, just so you know, the reason why I brought to cath thing and then it stuck in my mind is I have two black cats right now myself, and we've probably rescued and re homed ten or twelve of them because we had a neighbor that was hoarding and then they got kicked out, so then we had them, and then there was babies being had, so we kept them, you know,

brought them up a little bit, and then rehome them. We get we get updates from people because they were like in the military, like, oh, this is one of our cats in Hawaii and he's doing fine, you know. So it's pretty cool to see all that, and it's always sad to see them go. But it's like having a lot of cats in your home is not the easiest thing to keep up with at all. So but yeah, I absolutely love our animals for sure. And uh so, yeah,

I understand that. I get the feeling. And then man, when they know like when you're down, if you got something bothering you, if you feel like like when like when my family goes out and says, hey, we're going this way, like they didn't invite me because that happened. Sometimes my pat like jumped on me and like wants to snuggle. It's like, oh, so here's the affection that I'm getting because they look fuckers just left. So it's it's pretty cool. Like I've got two really nice cats.

And they treat my daughter well too, Like they follow her around. She's seven. They follow her around and whatever she is outside, like they'll be right there. They're they're like always watching her. It's so so cool. That's that's how my my girl cat, Cricket is. I can. She's the only one i'll let out, and I have a porch, so sometimes I'll take the birds out and the birds will hang out with me and

I'll have my cat out and she stays right by me. When I call her, she comes, which is really amazing because every cat I've ever had, it's just like, you know, I'm like here, kitty, kitty, and they're like, yeah, fuck you. You know, they got a mind of their own. They can't roll their eyes, but but their emotions say that they're rolling. Yeah. Cricket is amazing. She's such a good girl. And as I said, she follows me around. She sleeps

with me every night. Even if I'm like taking a nap or something on the on the couch, She'll come up and lay next to me. So I adore that, you know, I really do. I wish I could have a dog, but I'm a late sleeper, so I don't. I'm not up early enough to take a dog out, so I think I probably And I grew up with dogs all my life when I still lived at home, but you know, living on my own, it's just easier to have cats. I think it's funny. I don't know if you experienced this,

but I can't. Nobody in the house really but can sit down because if we do, the moment they do, there's an animal on them. You have to just expect it. If you're gonna sit down, there's gonna be an animal on your lap in like seconds. What I admire Mia is what I admire Mic is that you take in the ones that are not going to

be adopted, that are not going to readily be adopted. It's extremely admirable because that's very hard to the patience and all that other stuff that goes into it, and taking care of an animal that is not able to take care of themselves. So as a matter of fact, Lisa, I have a cousin, in fact, one of the very the cousin on my father's side. His name is Anthony, and nick yell right over there. Yeah,

I was reading the chat. Yeah, my cousin Anthony. He's the one who got me into punk rock when I was about fourteen thirteen and he now he was in a band himself. So so I learned a lot from him. But he now is in Uh. He does this thing where he adopts animals that are you know, going to be put down or are old and nobody wants and I mean it's really it's a great thing. It's it's I

can't commend him enough for cats and dogs. You know, dogs will like want you know, missing a leg or blind or death or whatever, and he takes them in and that he's kind of like fourteen dogs at home. Yeah, And I can't do it. I'm just one person. I have nobody in my life, like an old girlfriend or wife or even friends around here. The only I have which are my neighbors. They're all in like their seventies and stuff. I don't have any friends out here, so it's

just me. And like even getting this kitten. As I said, I never had a kitten before. It's always been adult cats. So if I have to leave to go out for somewhere, like if I have to work for like a day, I have no one to take care of my animals. So it's hard. That's one of the reasons I don't go on tour

anymore. I don't want music. It's one of the reasons that I don't go out places because I have nobody really to take care of my animals, and that's hard to find somebody that actually you trust and that's going to do

a good job. I actually not to share quick story, but I was doing a stint on the oncology department at a ved school and I ran into a woman that she had no children, but she had this huge pension, and so she would go to shelters and adopt out the oldest dogs because those are the ones that would never and then she would pay for them bring them in for therapy or whatever. And that's how I met her, and I

started dog sitting for her whenever she had to go out. But she was saying how difficult it was to find somebody, especially with the needs of these animals, because she was adopting the old ones that were diseased and had problems. Right. So yeah, yeah, that's a very noble thing and I really commend people that can do that. I wish I could, but as I said, it's just me and yeah, I don't have the room for it. I certainly don't have the money for it. And you know,

when you're doing everything on your own, it's not easy. So I was, like I said before, I was at my capacity with animals before I got this kitten. But when my neighbor came up to me, he's like, yeah, I got this cat. And I'm like, well, look, I'm not going to get a promisees and he promises to you, but let me see the cat and I'll see what I can do. I see the cat, it jumps in my arms. I'm like, oh man,

done, I got another cat. And that's how that's. You know, the somebody who was the best part of the Misfits after Glenn shouldn't be the one who's right now saying that they have issues with money. It sucks. It sucks that this is how the world works. Right Yep. I will

not deny that. But as I said before, I and I'm not trying to, you know, boast about myself, but I saved two international tours for them on two separate continents that could have been easily been canceled and noe at the time in nineteen ninety eight, they were the biggest concerts the band had ever played in their entire career, and I was part of it.

That's the I mean again, like I don't know what you're following, was for the Empire Hideous, But that had to be a little bit of daunting too, just to have that massive amount of energy in the same room and they're all looking at you. Yeah, in five months, I sang to about one hundred thous some people. Oh that's awesome, It's crazy. And you know, not only were the biggest shows that I ever played, but they were the biggest shows they had ever played in their career up to that

point in nineteen ninety eight. Yeah, and that that interesting and kind of unique way of the deep like kind of like echoing voice that Glenn has that was like perfect like matching for what how you sang in the Empire, you know, I mean, the Empire Hideous. It went well with the songs, like it went very well with how you know you already had trained your voice to do this, and people don't get that, like you have to do all different types of trait. Now, No, no, you're okay,

You're I understand what you're saying. Okay, but you're not on the right track. What happened here? Tell me so in a nutshell. When I did Empire Hideous, whenever we did music, I would tend to write very long songs, anywhere from five sometimes in one case, like twelve minutes long. Those are some of the anthem like songs that I would write,

and they were sung. I would sing those songs. I went through some vocal training in nineteen ninety one and nineteen ninety four, and when I finally got into the Misfits, I had a professional guy, guy named Don Lawrence, who taught everybody from Sebastian Bach, Joey Ramone, I even want to say, Bruce Springsteen how to vocally, you know, sing vocally without hurt

in your throat. So when I got into the Misfits, if you know anything about their concerts, which are one hour long, they would do thirty songs in one hour, and mind you, yeah, they're like two minutes long. But nevertheless, when you do a two minute song, it's like, well do four, Thank you too, Defour, It's like it's non stop. It was like it was like a Ramones concert, which is the same way. So I wasn't used to that. I really wasn't. So

I had to mind you. I had broken up my band Empire Hideous in February of ninety eight. I hadn't sang for the February March April May. I hadn't sang for three months. Then I get the gig with the Misfits. Now I did the audition, and it's not like I had forgotten to sing, but I wasn't used to the velocity and the speed that I would be singing at. So you know, I come from one band where I'm actually singing songs to a band where I'm pushing myself so hard. And I

mean you, I mean you should have mine came off stage. I was drenched in sweat. I must have lost like ten pounds and sweat while I was on stage. And mind you, when I at the time I came over that first tour, I was a rock I was in perfect physical condition. But at the same time they would tell me stories about how when Glenn would sing, he'd get like he'd get so hot somebody he'd literally pass out or throw up on stage and they would just pick him up and he'd get

back into it. What I'm saying is this, I had problems because I wasn't used to it. So after the I believe it was the seventh gig we had, maybe the eighth gig we had played, I began to lose my voice because I wasn't used to it. So I began to crack, you know, when I was when I was singing. So Jerry started trying to teach me how to do vocal warmups, which are they have to be done specifically to the person based on the range that that person can sing.

So when I finally met Don Lawrence, the vocal trainer, he told me, he's like, Jerry put you up to this. He's been letting you use the tape to do your vocal warm ups that I made for him. And I'm like yeah, He's like no, he's like that's bad that. He said, You're lucky it didn't blow your voice out. So he started a whole thing completely separate just for me. And then what he would do he's like, he's like, okay. He would record it on a cassette.

Then he'd give me, give me the tape, and then I would play this is when we had Walkman, this BAC then uh, and then I would put it in my Walkman and then I would put the headphones on and rehearse to it and warm up to it. And it was basically it was like a twenty twenty five minute warm up doing scales lee ly ly le le le le le Lee, so on and so forth. So yeah, Jerry, Jerry was trying to help, but he was only making things worse for me. Yeah. Yeah, it has to be tailored to the particular

person. And there the ranges are, I guess. Yeah, So we need to talk about this one last thing if you don't mind, if you have time, why while you're doing that, I gotta I'm having an allergy

attack. I gotta take my nasels. Oh yeah, for sure. So if anybody else has anything else to say, and any of the topics we discussed first before I asked this, it was simply because I've been on the Michael Deacon program a couple of times, and every time I was thinking my hideous was going to be there to make it, and I was like, do you guys, you guys, You're dynamic is just amazing. It's hilarious. It's fun if it's it's energetic, you guys. You know, Michael

knows how to like rip on people without making their feelings hurt. You know, it's kind of it's kind of funny. It's it's just it's just a really good dynamic. So how did you guys like you like meet the first time? And I mean you're you're you're almost you're almost a co host. I mean you're basically there like a lot, right, So I I'm the co host when he's not doing an interview. Yeah, exactly. I'll tell you how we met. In two thousand and eight, Michael contacted me to

interview me for his show. He was doing a different show at the time. What a different host or co host I should say? And they did. We did the interview, and from that point on, every once in a while, like i'd get a call from Michael leave a message on my machine. Hey Mike, it's Michael Deacon. I just want to say Merry Christmas to you. Oh that's awesome. Hey Mike, it's Michael Deacon, I just want to say happy Easter to you. So he you know,

I was like, Wow, what a nice guy. And I did like maybe eight or ten other interviews with him afterwards, maybe even more, I don't remember, let's count. And then in twenty when the hell was it twenty I believe it was twenty seventeen when he said to me, he goes, I got an idea if I mind you. He was still with his partner at the time. He said, would you be interested in doing a show with me? I was like absolutely, said I've always wanted to do

a podcast, but I just don't. I don't know how to do it, and I'm not technically inclined. So he basically set it up. We tried it out a couple of times, but then there was a long pause, and then of course the chinavirus hit and that was in everything. So in twenty twenty we did a couple of shows, and then again he waited a little bit, and that's when people started asking, Hey, when's Mike

coming back on? Michael Mike hideous, and Michael contacted me. He's like, all right, now it's working, Let's go full forward to it, and we started doing more shows together as him the host and me the co host and pardon it. Basically it started out where we had to learn each other and how you know, how to feed off each other and basically perform. First, let me say, Michael has one of the best vocal vocal voice for us speaking that I've ever heard. He's got golden vocal voice and

he's going to get to a higher level at some point. But it took a little while, but eventually we started to really mesh together well. And now we're at the point where I can make him laugh, and that's now I know we're doing a good show because for the longest time, I could never I never heard him laugh. He would never laugh. But he told me secret He's like, yeah, he goes, I laugh. I just hit the mute button. So yeah, I love doing the show with Michael.

Yeah. Like the amazing that you're constant references back to Jelly Roll made me laugh so much. My god, oh that poor guy. You guys know who the country music singer jelly Roll is. He's like CMC, like superstar, but he's like a million, like enormous, and he's got this really hot like stripper wife. Yep, her name's Bunny, I think, or something like that. Right, that's right. But why do I know this? Yeah? Why do you know this? Said? I know it

too. That's sad anyway, Yeah, he basically Lisa. He's a he's a country western singer, big guy. But this is a guy who's now incorporated country music with a rap and I can't stand rap, so anything that is associated with rap music and I'm not a big fan of country. So that's two strikes right there. But you know, the guy's well overweight. And let me just go out and put it out here. I have nothing against people who are are fat, but I do have an issue when people

say it's okay to be fat, because it's not. It's very bad for your health and you can die from it. So when I talk about people that are overweight and obese, I'm stimp In fact, Michael too, We're simply pointing out the fact that you're making things worse for yourself. You know, I heard he's losing weight. By the way. I'm sure he got stable. I don't think he did it because of his you know, his

will or his determination or his you know. On the contrary, on the contrary, there were people In fact, he ended up closing down I think it was his Instagram or whatever the hell it was, because too many people were telling him, you need to lose weight, so he took great offense to that for whatever reason. I don't know why. People are just trying to make you a better person by losing the all that fat. And now,

from what I understand, he's losing weight. So good for him, and I hope he stays with it, not surgically then, because I don't know. You might be right on that, but I do know he's doing it because he now realizes how bad it is for him. Yeah, a lot of a lot of times, I'm very, very overwhelming. It's it's hard to like then try to apply some kind of self discipline. Of course, it's easy to lose weight, all right now it's not and it's uh,

it's it's pretty it's pretty sick. How badly there is there's there's operations can screw you up to like they're really bad like that they're going more for the look than they are for the health, because it's not good for you. Be that as it may. I'm sick and tired of hearing the people that are like, oh, stop fat shaming and oh, you know,

love yourself, your bodies, about your body. So when I see these big, gigantic, obese, over overweight people saying that it's okay and that you know, love yourself, you are beautiful, I'm sorry, but that's just not right, okay, And I'm I'm glad we got into this type of topic too, because another thing that Michael Deacon points out to you not just that you're too nice to be a Satanist, but also that you're you have a lot of conservative views that that that he says are kind of like,

you know, paradoxical because of you know, a more different, a different type of outlook as you may have had prior to that China virus. And seeing how the world has kind of revealed itself to you, you know and everybody else, they didn't they kind of let the curtain drop on that one. Yeah, well, you know, I just try to do the

right thing. And and Michael, I don't know if you've ever known this or about me or not, but I was a politically correct liberal Democrat for almost thirty years and that all changed when King who you saying, Obama came into our system and began to screw up everything that was going pretty much. Okay. He's the one who brought up the whole race thing stating that, you know, white people are racist by DNA. I take great offense to that me too, okay, And so I immediately stopped being a Democrat.

Mind you, I'm not a Republican either, I'm an independent. Nevertheless, nevertheless, I have learned now. I don't know if any of you are Democrats. I don't know if any of you are Republicans, but I will say this, I will never ever go back to the Democratic Party because what I have learned. I read a lot about politics these days, and I

have read some things that have blown my mind. And the reason I voted for Trump, and I have no qualm saying that I voted for him, the reason I and seventy million people voted for him is because he is not a scumbag, corrupt politician. He's a man, even though he's a billionaire. He's a man who understands people like you and me, whether you like him or not. He got the job done, and it was because he doesn't get paid off and corrupted like these other politicians do and will be and

have been. He's a man that wants to make this country good for the people that are in it, not this fucking woke bullshit that they're shoving down our throat and the media that doesn't tell the truth and gives us their narrative. I'm done with that, done with the media. I'm done with the politicians no more. I am frustrated. I love this country. I love this country, and I'm not see how I'm a man who can say I'm

for capital punishment and I'm for abortion at the same time. But then you know, on the right you have people who are for I'm for capital punishment for abortion. It's this weird you've got. On the left, you got people who are into killing babies. On the right, you got people who are into killing prisoners. I'm for both, but the Democrats were trying to make it so that you can have an abortion even after the child is born.

That's murder, that straight up. So I'm sorry, but I'm for abortion, but it needs to be done in the first few months, not at the third trimster, not after the child is born. And as far as capital punishment, you kill a person, you die, That's my look on it. As long as all the evidence is undeniable provided the system is not corrupt. And look what's happened to this country in just three and a

half fucking years. Yeah, and you know what, I voted twice for the same person you said, you know, Trump, But I also, you know, have to weigh in the whole warp speed. Still talking about the vaccine now, saying that it's curing cancer, which is a fucking bullshit lie. He's murdered millions of people with his lies. And he also was crowned king ship by the by the by the Israel by Israel's. It's like windex are robotest in the vaccine, it just cures it. All. Oh

yeah, of course, right, drink bleach. All right, there you go. And he and he just recently said that if you are and this is a loaded, loaded fucking label to put on somebody, if you are guilty of anti Semitism, which is whatever they decide it's going to be at that moment who said this that it was he had to bring back the death penalty, who said death pety Trump said this in one of his rallies recently. So he's basically threatening murder if you speak ill, if you say,

I don't want you to genocide babies in Palestine. Well, when he gets in, you might be killed for that. That's that's that's that's my problem with him, you know. I mean I've I supported him in the past. I voted him twice. But what I've seen from him lately is that he is either I mean his his mother was Scottish, but she was also Jewish. I mean, there's there might be some kind of loyalty there that

we're not recognizing. His daughter. His daughter is married to you know who, So there's all that going on, and she he's all wrapped up in the Saudi stuff too, because of what was it six sixty six for Fifth Avenue or something like that, whatever that building was. So there's all kinds of birdness going on. And I don't know about the comment you made about killing people. I you know, sometimes think he says things that people might

take out a context or I find it. But you know what, anything's better than the babbling idiot that we have in the White House right now, right as long as the one that they're calling an anti Semite, just with a simple fact that they want to get rid of anybody who' said you know, listen, you want some about anti Semites. How does a president give

money billions of dollars to a country that says death to America? How does a president continue to give respect to a country that has done the things that they've done and give them money and then say, oh, we're so sorry that your president died in a helicopter crash. Oh so sorry? You know what, I hope the whole fucking army dies in a helicopter. These people are aft up. Okay, you're talking about You're talking about Iranians and the Muslims, right, You're goddamn right. I am. I have a real

problem with these people. So who do you think actually took down the towers? Do you think it was? Do you know that? Or do you know that it was the c I don't know. We've just had this conversation on the Michael Deacon program Friday and they asked me, you know, since I've been doing the show with Michael, have I changed my viewpoints on it? And the fact of the matter is nothing has been completely presented to me

to change my mind thoroughly. I will say this, since I've been doing the Deacon program, I have definitely come up with some new questions about what happened. The other thing is Trump was going to reopen the investigation on nine to eleven had he been re elected. But obviously that's for four years when he had the opportunity. Though, Hey man, come on, you got to give the credit. He did so much. He did more than the last four or five pore. I agree with that. But here's the fucked

up thing about this. It makes me wonder if that's for us like this to keep a stupid boy like you know, busy thinking that a certain way, because it only took what a few strokes of eos to change all that when the when the next asshole came in, it's like, yeah, it didn't really matter what was going on for four years because it was temporary. It gave it gave him a good light. But then the next guy comes in and like through like a dictator. He signs a couple of executive orders

and undoes everything. He puts us back in the Paris Climate Agreement and all this other ship. Oh yeah, well that just goes to sugar. They hate Listen, they would have voted for ham Sandwich if it was if it was against Trump, because they wanted him out so bad. They hate this man so much. Why, I'll tell you why. Makes a little bit of it. We all know why. Because he's not part of the corrupt public political establishment. He's a man who came in and he was an upstarter,

Did I say it right? Upstart upstart upstart. I remember, I remember being asked a million times through emails to support his campaign, uh funded, just so that he could go around saying he was self self funded. Yeah, that was good times. I have I have a question, Yes, I have a question about nine to eleven. And I had no idea,

so forgive me. I had no idea that Michael Aquino had given an actual interview stating all of the I guess now what the conspiracy community is talking about with nine to eleven, like meaning like it never happened and it was all TV generated and the flight manifest never contained any people from the Middle East and they were all flown to I forget the airbase that he said, what

what did you have? You ever heard that interview before? I had not heard it before, and it was news to me because it was the first time I had heard about a week ago or so ago, and so yeah, I just got it. Throw that in there. Listen. When I lived in Carnie, I used to be able to see the Twin towers from not only from my window, but from the street. So when it happened, my my best friend Mark Steiner was literally walking to work the day it happened. He saw the plane, he saw it hit, so living where

I lived, I was able to see the towers on fire. This is the first time I ever heard anybody outside of the people watching TV say that they actually saw a plane at all and that it wasn't just oh yeah, potentially added in because they had building they were doing and you saw it. Well, one of my friends I went to school with, you know, he had no reason to make this up. So I had me to cut

you off either, Mike. No, I was just I'm just surprised because this is the first I've ever heard of like the actual real people saying this go go's like the top of a building smoking a cigarette and said he legit, sare did you ever see the interview that the interview they were doing a documentary on the New York Fire Department and they were on a call for apparently some ghastleak at a sewer. They're in the middle of the street and you

hear the fucking plane. You hear it, and they they they pan up and you see the plane. Bang, You see it. There's no there's nothing computer generated about anything. This is the same bullshit they're saying about with the Israelis that it's fake footage. No, the the insane lunatics that put cameras on them to go in and murder people from children to adults. They were boasting about it. So no, it's no. Don't understand what false

flag means. Like they think that means that nothing happened. No, it means like it was deliberately planned and that there's other acts going on. I think that's what they usually mean. It's like, no people die, But actually it means also that they were it was as blakes, the blame on somebody else. It's like the Tonkin all over again. And I think the reason that I bring up Michael Aquino because he was the king of psychological warfare.

For him to give that actual interview, it's almost like implanting that that idea and to the zeitgeist. And that was my only reason bringing it up. I have no skin in the game. In terms of you know, I don't I don't think. I do think that our government was somehow, you know, wanting another Pearl Harbor, but how they went about it, I don't know, get us into just killing off all of Israel's enemies.

But at the same time, I just think about if, if, if it's going to take killing innocent people to do that, what does that tell you about those who would be in charge. It's like when I was when I was given that thought, I'm like, no, what now, why would America the leaders of America want to kill innocent people? Well, the

leaders of Israel who called leaders of America. I was just about to say, you know when when when I was given that that alternate thought, I was like, nah, I can't that, that's why would they do that? But I've learned more and more about how ruthless things can be when, especially when it comes to higher up politics. The other thing I heard was that Israel was the were involved in doing it so that they could set up

a you know, America against the Islamic jihad people. Right. But you know, it's not to say that those gihad people don't go around doing fucked up shit. It's just that what when when they try to spark us into something. Was that was that real or was it memory x? You know what I mean? It was definitely real. It was definitely real, whether or not it was what I mean by that, did they did they actually

do it or did somebody else do it? Just because you know, they may have a list of atrocities a mile long, but they needed something to happen. And I don't think they leave anything to chance. So even if they antagonize an enemy to do something, I think they still make sure that they have their people on the ground to make sure that it gets carried out the way that they wanted to. Well have you have you heard the recent thing that's come out about the JFK assassination. Mm hmm, I mean the

c I A and yeah, we're in on it. I think I've seen Jackie getting all wacky, honestly, little Jesuit Jackie. I see her pull her his head in and it's like he's boom because it looks like an exit when coming off the side of his head. No one else says that. Everybody says it's a driver and got rubbed out. I say, Jackie, just and then I don't know about that. I disagree with that, Mike. I'll have to check out the interview that Nick did with I'm just thinking.

And then alternative's name already Jay's something I know he was in. He's done movies, a horror movie and who are these people? They have a my friend Rdily. He has a podcast called Raised by Giants and he had j Weed Weedner or something of white. I think he's done movies. He's done like special effects and stuff for horror movies. And they came on the show and they were showing that they think, in their opinion that that that

was like kind of like I guess, like special effects. And he faked getting shot Jeff k oh, Yeah, with a black pack and all that stuff. I heard that the theory was that he was dying already and so he want and that he wanted out of the situation. That was the theory that they proposed. So that's that's crazy. I don't believe that. Yeah, it's it's tough to say. What's what's about that? Can I show you guys just real quick? I just want to put this up here so

that no bade distincs. I'm just talking about my, my, my, my, six here, let's go ahead and open this up here, and I think I have to this evil anti attack. Can you hear it? All of us on humanity. It will require all of us together to extract the hateful poison of anti Semitism from our world. This was an anti Semitic attack at its worst. The scourge of anti Semitism cannot be ignored, cannot be tolerated, and it cannot be allowed to continue. We can't allow with

you. It must be confronted and condemned everywhere it rears its a very ugly head. We must stand with our Jewish brothers and sisters to defeat anti Semitism and vanquish the forces of hate. That's what it is. Through the century, the Jews have endured terrible persecution. And you know that we've all, I mean, even the writers of history told us that. So it must

be true. Well, reddit we've studied it. They've gone through a lot, and though seeking their destruction, we will seek there this stuff and we'll have crimes like this, whether it's this one or another one or another group. We have to bring back the death penalty. They have to pay the ultimate price. They have to pay the ultimate price. They can't do this. So speaking ill or having questions or challenging the six million number, you

should die for that. And who do you think he's talking about? Who's he talking about? Now, I'm asking you who do you think he's talking about? I think he's talking about It's a warning to every one of us not to question Israel. So you think that if you with our free speech in this country, you think that if you spoke out in ill term about Israel that you get killed? Well, anti Semitism already they passed bills right now that there's that they're making a crime. They're taking people off of the

flight log I mean the flight list. You can't you can't fly if you got this this moniker slapped on you, And let me ask you a question for questioning. Let me ask you a question for saying, Hey, I don't think you should kill a bunch of kids. What happens when you talk ill about black people? You'd be labeled a racist? And what happens in some cases you can get arrested. What happens if you talk about trans people or anybody who is involved in the whole woke movement and people call you a

bigot or whatever. But there's also points where you can get shut down your podet. Well yeah, as far as that, if you get canceled the ship out of you, you can get arrested. There are a lot of things. Look, I'm not exactly free speech. It sounds like you're saying, I don't think it's going to be to the point where we're going to become Nazi Germany. I don't think that your Germany was Nazi Germany. But

that's a for a whole other story. Well, what I'm trying to say here is that when tyrants take over a country and they laid down their communist, Socialist or Marxist laws, that's when you need to us that's when you

need to worry. Like we are in right now. What the I firmly believe that the politicians that are involved right now in the administration are trying to move a socialist Marxist agenda on the country, telling you what cars you can drive, what oven you can have, that you cannot use ceiling fans anymore. They want to banish cows because they fart too much. I mean, just think about that. They even want they even out of all the cigarettes

that are available. They wanted to ban men fall, which is what black people's constantly right. They love mental cigarettes, So now you're gonna eliminate mental cigarettes for the health purposes of black people. What I'm trying to say is that we are in a country right now where we are being told what we can or cannot do. I don't know if any of you drive an electric car. I'm not a communist exactly, because in the event, first and

foremost, you can't rely on them. Secondly, if in the event you are, I don't know, you're uh, you didn't get your your China shot, your China virus shot, and you're you're traveling from New York to uh, New Jersey, and you're gonna cross the borderline and at the toll your car shuts off because they don't want you going into New Jersey. I'm just saying, they drive you to a freaking police to lock you in the car. All I'm saying is that we are worse off now than we are

with Donald Trump. And and I just think it was not the dichotomy that it had to be either or it's like this fucker or this fucker. Yeah, ask me the first time. If you ask me, I think he was talking about the people who committed the crimes that they did against the Israeli people. But let me be clear, I don't think it's just for the

Israeli people. So you think that was a priming for like a for like a more active American presence in what's going on over there, like to have a like, I think, a logical statement if you're going to hurt Look the college student Jewish college students, I think it was Harvard, were being blocked by these little woke fuckers that were standing in front of them. These are college students. What involvement do they have India Israeli God's of war.

Which is funny about that is that nonetheless, yeah, Harvard, Harvard, Harvard and Columbia are like the freaking the Franklin Institute, the Frankfurt Institute in America. Like it's like, these are the most literal Communist Marxist places you can be. So obviously that ship was all staged because they wanted to make a point about it, and they had the dupes, the stupid dupes there

to do it. You know, they're also coming from the richest families and of course, so like they never went without I mean to know what was suffering is come on, right, yeah, empathy, empathy for something they saw in I would I would not forget the Malthusian agenda that's happening globally. Do you do you know which president killed the most Americans? Yeah? Yeah, and probably the drones. Right yeah, but you don't hear about that

on the news though, right, you didn't know that. I think, don't forget Mexico, and don't forget Mexico with the fast and the furious and all those guns. Right. So, but if Trump had done it, you know, he'd be raceed, you know, he'd be marked as a racist, communist, whatever the fuck. But when our Lord and Savior King Hussein did it, it was okay. Why because there was nothing like if you said one thing that was against what he wanted to do, you were

deemed a racist. This is the same man who uh remember what was his name, Chevron Martian, the kid who got shot you know what I'm talking about, Trevor Martin R. Chevron Martian. He was the one that King Obama said, well, this could have been my son, this could have been my son. Well, if your son dresses like a thug and you know is committing crimes. Well, then first of all, your son's fucked up and deserves what he gets. All right. So so all I'm trying

to say, oh, no, you're good, You're good. I just I'm gonna two seconds. I'll be right back, Okay. All I'm saying is that what Trump said in that clip he played. I I mean, I'm speculating here. I'm just putting out what I believe. I think he's referring to people that are going to cause harm to other people, whether it's Jewish or someone else. But the fact of the matter is you, Lisa, you, Nick, and myself we are Caucasians, and there's more ship

that goes down against our national our ethnic background than anything else. I'm not saying that I'm a racist, bigoted person. I'm not. What I am saying is that we constantly get put down. We constantly constantly get told that you know, we're wrong and racist, but that that's so illogical. White people have done so much for black community and Hispanic communities and Asian and so on and so forth, Latino, but we're told that we're racist by DNA,

by this this piece of ship. President. I will say this all to your point, you know, in doing sometimes doing volunteer work, I hardly see and I'm Hispanic, I hardly see black and Hispanics doing volunteer work in any in any field, whether it is humanities, whether it is cleaning up a park or anything like that. I rarely see that those two ethnicities are racist. Now, And I will be honest, and you know, I'm into wildlife, I'm into conservation. Uh it's it's it's a hard sell.

Majority of people in conservation, especially wildlife conservation majoritily white. And so when you think about you know that the majority is now or the minority is becoming the majority that concerns me as a wildlife conservation I will admit that. I will admit that. And so you've just made a perfect point. How something like being part of the ecology and cleaning up the town or the area that you live in. But uh, as I'm trying to IM trying to

say here. Uh I think I think what you're saying is great. Something like that should be taught in school, but instead they're being taught. Well, you know, Jane has two mommies, and it's okay to dress like a cat if you feel like you're identified with it. You have litter boxes at some schools like this. This is absolute, pure insanity and and indoctrination. This is how you bring a country down. And I don't think it's

necessarily just the people that are doing it. I sincerely believe this sort of thing is being promoted through China, Russia, North Koreas and Iran and all our enemies are focused on dividing this country. So what do they do. They support the people who are saying they stand up with you. The red hair, the green hair, the blue hair, purple hair, all those people stand up and say a woman, you know, gotta sit a boob.

She goes up. I'm a man, you are. That's funny because whether you lop your reality, whether you lop your tits off, get a penis and start taking hormones to grow hair on your face, when you die one hundred years from now and they open up your coffin, your DNA is still going to indicate that you were a woman. So this is mental insanity. I've got nothing against gay people nothing. I've known gay people all my life, especially when I got into music. Okay, and I used to

go in the bathroom with crossdressers and queens and gay people. I never had a problem but to tell me that they need their own bathroom. Now you're in a seven year old girl going to school either though precisely you know that's my point. So the whole they're they're they're not maybe not so much fun well in some cases funding it, but they're supporting the division of our country.

And again this all goes back to King Obama. And you know, I I one hundred percent agree with you with what you're what you're witnessing, and what you're sensing happening to this country. And I think it's been happening for ever since the First and Second World War, has been a slow erosion of this type of one hundred years they've been trying to break into the country. And I but I don't. But my I think where I'm coming from

is I don't see Trump as being outside of that. I see him as being the well scripted guy who comes in to try to fix everything, but then makes it worse afterward because everybody welcome. And I just think that I think some of the things that we look at as far as like that's each there. The whole operation warp speed thing Is'm still continuing to say good things about the Scots. I think these are all kind of like hints to what is happening here and who he might actually be. Either he's I mean,

he's he's rich enough, he's already we always say he's too. He's rich enough as it is. But the manipulation or maybe the fear factor, I don't know, what if they have something over them, be just willfully doing this because of his ego. But he's seems like he's, you know, at least supporting everything that Pharma does, and we know who's at the head of Pharma. Say people that hang out in Israel and it's I don't know,

it's it's hard. It's hard to separate the things that you see because we because we want the hope that there's at least somebody out there that's gonna be different, you know, especially he's definitely different. And I will admit that he Yeah, he's a narcissistical person. Is that right? Narcissistical? Did I say it right? Yeah, he's definitely a narcissist. I'll put it that way. But I'm okay with that because I'm not voting for him.

First attitude I'm voting for him because he gets the fucking job done. Period. And then whether you like him or hate him, as I said before, the man did more in four years than the last five presidents we had before him. But then we also had a lockdown, and all that stuff that happened prior to that was erased and we went backward. You know, it's like it's like losing five pounds to gain fifty. Wait repeat what you said. Well, when the lockdowns came and all that prosperity that was

happening in prior to that, it all went to negative direction. Businesses were closed down. But Trump wasn't president at that point. During the lockdowns. Yeah, twenty twenty, he was gone. Yeah, he was president for one remember, No, if I remember correctly, he was gone. The pandemic started in March of March at the end of nineteen ninety. Yeah, November twenty, Yeah, the following November would be when he wore to be you know what I mean. Okay, so I get what you're saying.

I believe, and they still stayed until till that following January, So it's kind of right. It went from twenty twenty to twenty twenty almost twenty twenty two. I believe let me say this, I understand what you're saying. However, I believe, I sincerely believe that there were there was a lot of pressure on what Trump had to do. People. Let's face it, we were all scared. I was scared. I'm a post cancer patient.

And the first thing I did was talk to my friend who's a doctor, and I asked him straight out, doc, what do you think I should do? He's like, Mike, based on your history with your health, I don't think it would be a bad thing for you to get the shot. He got it. He got it too, so we both got the shot, we both got the booster, and shortly after we both said fuck that. He was like Mike, I made a mistake, just like you

did. He goes. I thought were doing the right thing, but I think it was all about politics, and I don't dislike him for it. As I said, I was scared. I was really scared, so I

went. I got that shot. I regret it. That fear factor that motivates people, and that's again, it's like more of that mind worship, you know, you hear from every direction, and then that idea of mind war is actually that you act as if like it already happened, so that people themselves will, you know, manifest whatever outcome that they want you to. You know, I'm assuming all of you haven't haven't gotten a shot. I good for you, man, good for you. That's great. I

applaud you. But I mean, to me, I've always been skeptical just being in the scientific community, seeing all the different operations that have been done by the government, approved by the government on the minority and other types of ethnicities. And it's not just Hispanics, it's not just blacks, it's also been I think Japanese as well, and the white also as well have gotten their own fair share of it as well, and it just doesn't stop.

And to me, I remember when it first came out that, you know that, I was thinking, it's been more than thirty years that we've been throwing enormous amount of money at cancer and they haven't even been able to cure one. But now we have a vaccine in less than six months. Come on, absolutely that that was my if I made Lisa, I think, and I've been saying this for a while now, and I just said it before. I think Trump was under a lot of pressure because we were faced

with this terrible disease, that virus that affected the whole world. Everybody was scared. Now, can you guys honestly sit there and tell me that you weren't scared. I was hoping I was at the beginning. You know what's crazy about the virus because I love viruses. I supposedly got it real fast.

You got it supposedly, so like when I had it, and like it was kind of like I literally got it the weekend before they closed everything down, and I really wasn't too much in the politics or the news or like even kind of quote me off car like wait, what what's this? And like when it didn't really fuck me up too much, I was like, what the fuck are people talking about? You know, my wife I

got it as well too. She was fucking working from home three days later, like it just feels like the flu, That's what she said, you know, And so like none of us were so I guess because of that, I was just like, well, I don't think this is as crazy as they're making it out to be. I was like I had a low grade fever for two days. I was like, it's a big I don't know, so maybe that that I what about the rest of you? You guys get it? No, I can't catch unicorns, first of all,

so it wouldn't be a virus I can't get. I can't get unicorn dandru either, so it wouldn't be a spike protein. I'm sorry, I'm confused. What are we talking about? Well, I don't the virus idea that of what makes you sick. It's invalid in my opinion, And it's more likely that there was a poisoning event that occurred, or previous shots finally came to manifest and made people sick because the flu season was flu season was prior to that, and who got the worst of it. People in convalescent homes.

Those people are mandated to take those shots. So if they had a flu shot and then they started getting sick and dying, there's a there's a correlation there. And then they said, oh, it's the imaginable, imaginary, magical. But hang on the side, hold one more second, one more second. Also, when you have a millimeter wave five g radiation, it can actually spontaneously cause in the air double bounded nitrogen and oxygen. You know what that is? No cyanide. You know what they call high altitude

sickness, the inability to breathe. Yeah, that's from cyanide. So if that was a correlation, if they lit those things up, nobody would know. Nobody could see it, and if certain areas were you were saying that the viruld No, there's no such thing as a virus. Never been any sample that's been isolating. Ever. I can't understand how you can say that I've had viruses all my life. No, you haven't. Have you have you've had illness? Well, yeah, you may have had a correlation you

from an imaginary invisible monster. What's imaginary? What's invisible? About a small time? I would recommend because this is are if we do this, it's not going to be I'm not going to say it. As well as doctor Stephan Lanka, who was a who calls himself a recovering virologist. You you

speak to him, doctor Tom Cowin, any of these people. Uh By Bey Schamp, who back in the eighteen hundreds basically proved it with his microscope that was stronger than an electronic microscope that we have now could actually see living tissue with it. Uh Rife didn't ever make the correlation, but his his his looking glass was pretty much very close to that. These things that they're calling viruses are what do they call it a artifact of the process of preparing

a slide for an electron microscope. It's the breaking down in the dissolution and the dying of cells. So you have this cell debris, they point at it and say, look, that's the virus, and then they sell it to you because what they're really trying to get you to do is to go and take things like these shots, be dependent on them. Who's the only people who can save you from these problems that they created? And then you're dependent on them. You're going to them for the solutions, and that's how

they keep people sick, keep people suppressed, keep people this. If they just got off that idea that hey, you know, and then maybe they look in their water, maybe they look in the air, maybe they look in their food and see where poisonings actually come from, and then there would be a little bit less of a quarterly or maybe the thing that's injected directly into their arm when they feel like it's a time for your shots, and

how that mightestate and then manifest into an illness, the lack of proper nutrition that would bring your ability to defend yourself from such things down to a degree where when everybody else gets six, so do you because you're purging toxins. And they call that a disease when it's actually the cure because you're actually getting rid of the shit. So everything is backward when it comes to allopathy. It's a eugenics program, and they do employ certain things that will kill people

off on purpose because that's what they're doing. Same thing with chemo. They know chemo and radiation don't do anything besides kill people. Ninety seven percent failure rate is because they want to kill you. And I'm so happy that you didn't die from that. My aunt did. They did two and a half years of poisoning and radiating her bipath radiation three times, and I've had chemotherapy twice and I'm still here. I know. I mean, granted, I

have problems, but I'm glad that you didn't have that same issue. Who's a mother of three? Yeah, but you're saying that it kills you, How does it? It does? So her time, she had two and a half years of fit. How old was she in her twenties with the third. Her third childhood was just born, so she had cancer. She had leukemia. They called it, you know, another noseum cancer leukemia.

I mean, that's pretty serious, man, if that's if that's a thing that couldn't have been done with nutrition, because we always believe that that's true. I don't buy anything that they say the d You just said that, you don't believe in these viruses and stuff. Virus isn't leukemia, bud, No, I don't understand that, But I'm just saying, isn't it the same sort of thing of being sick from a what they call what they tell us is the cause of anything. I don't buy. I want to know.

I want to I want to know myself. I don't want to argue. I don't want that, you know what I mean, like, I don't want them to detreat it from their from their high holy place of priest craft sorcery. This is why you're stick, you know, it's like funk off. Let me figure, let me see if there's any validity to it first, before I start taking your drugs. Do you take anything if you're

sick? Do you ever get sick? I take a nutritional supplements. I don't think if you get very old, the flu very rarely okay, but you get right, like if I have stuff nose every once in a while. Maybe, I don't know. I don't really Well, what was the last time you were sick? I was living in New York, probably twenty years ago. Wow, good for you. Yeah, living in New York, I was sick all the time. This ship was always sick. I'm able to breathe. Oh my god, everything is bad. But I mean,

I've been lucky since I've been out here. I don't I'm not around a lot of people all the time, so I don't get as sick. But after I got those two goddamn shots, I did get COVID twice. Oh yeah, and that's again, like, what what perason are they putting in you that mimics the very same thing that they say you're trying to avoid. You know, I couldn't tell you, but I said before against that shot at this point, and I hope the best outcome for you too.

That nothing bearors. It's ugly ahead in the future since you've already had Yeah, it sucks to have gone through that, right, how many times you see you had cancer? Eight eight. That's off two times. I had two different types of cancer at the same time in two different interest And this is before you even like launched your music career, right like, that was the first time. One two So I had it twice before I started the band, and then after I started the band, about a year and a

half later is when I got sick again. That was the third time. And I don't want to point out the fact that you know, the Kima didn't do the job either, but I also well, I'm not going to get into it. The point of the matter is, yeah, so I love it mine. I'm not trying to no, not at all. It's a healthy debate and that's fine. I'm okay with it. I'm not I'm not taking it the wrong way. Listen, I'm not some woke, fucking idiot. I'm a woman. I'm It's a healthy debate and that's good.

I appreciate that, and I also respect what you just said to me. All I'm saying is that what was I saying? I was gonna say something I forgot. I'm just trying to point out that, yeah, I had I had some I got the virus after I got the shot and uh again, lost complete faith in all of that. I'm not part of it anymore. But yeah, the whole cancer thing, that's a completely different, separate

story. Yeah that sucks. I'm sorry. And you know, again, I don't think anybody should have ever recommended you get something like that if you already had a history of compromised you know, health, because I think that stuff pushes you over the edge and fills you with a bunch of toxins that you didn't necessarily need. Well, the interesting thing about the COVID shot is that it's not like a flu shot. What they're giving you from what I

understand. Isn't it like it doesn't it like alter your DNA or something. Yeah, they call it messenger RNA, but I think it's more like modified. I think that that's really the proper term for the for that M and the M RNA because it's changing things as a Yeah, that's right, because

it actually changes something in your molecular structure or something like that. I'm not I can't describe it like I heard it scientifically, but when I did hear them, like holy my brother was the one who told me that that it's not like a flu virus. So then they're not they're not giving you a portion of the virus so that your body builds up an immunity to it.

And again the other thing to models that they do, the computer models that they say like, well, this is a fragment of a virus, but this is what our computer model that we decided to program to tell us this thing told us is what the whole virus strand looks like. It's like, okay, so everything that you just said to me is CGI and babbling bullshit

from your computer. You still don't even like have like the answer. So how do you create something to fight it when you don't even I don't know what it is yet and you don't have And how scary is it to know that if you discuss the fact that you believe that either the election was stolen or that the China virus was leaked out of a lab, they'll shut you down, they'll censor you because they don't want you to know. Right.

So, here's a good thing about this, Daniel, is that there are shows like this and the Michael Deacon Program and my show Finding the Truth of My Kidios and a thousand others that right that too. But what I'm saying is people are going away from the mainstream media because they no longer trust it. They trust more shows like this where people can not only speak their mind, but exchange ideas. And that's what I think is happening now. People

are losing all faith in the mainstream media because of their lives. I get more out of you and Michael discussing whatever. You know, pop culture topics are at the moment, and and the craziness of the world and jelly roll and I do that I do on the main stream media. That's funny. All right, So we got two hours and ten on the clock. My daughter just came in. We had a great talk. I would love to have you back. Yeah, you're very well appreciated here. I believe you

guys. I've talked a lot you guys, go around the room if you'd like in. Uh so you're you know, your last couple of two treat things and then we can call it a day. A couple Well, thanks, thanks Daniel for having me on. I had a really good time and it was listening to be able to meet you. Mike. That was I'm really glad we got to talk a little bit about like your take on Satanism.

I thought that was very important. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I do think I enlightened some people with the answers I gave because we're not all, you know, metal maniacs. No, no, that's why I thought it was good. Yes, thank you it yeah, yeah, and uh, I guess just you know, I'll plug myself to before we wrap it up if anybody wants to check out our stuff that you call rejects YouTube bitch you rumble in all major podcasts. Thanks Dan, very good, Daniel,

thank you for having for inviting me on and Mike. It was wonderful meeting you. Yes. Absolutely, I'm very fascinated to learn about all different belief systems. It doesn't FaZe me what you believe. I've always been extremely curious of pull walks and all belief systems. And it was I enjoyed hearing the backstory of your time with Misfits because it's things that you don't normally hear.

It's almost like watching VH one, you know, behind the Curtain or whatever, but like in real life and so and then getting to know you. It was. It was a blast. I really enjoyed the conversation. Thank you so much. My pleasure, Thank you very much. Yeah, and you have, you know, just a great, great personality you got. You know, if if anybody thinks of saying this is anti social, this guy has got a heart, he's got animals, he's got it's all

yours. All your preconceived notions about everything is just just that preconceived notion. It's it's not reality. And with that, I want to say, accept everybody, go ahead. I have a question for you. Are yes, you said you studied the occult as well? How deep did you go? Or or Nick? Both of you? I mean, list you don't let Nick start because he's not compared to that new Betail curious and I'm sorry, I know we're running out of time, but still, I mean we did

talk a lot about me. So what what I know? Nick was in the OTL, But what what do you guys know? Like? What did you study? How do you know this? Uh? I got like big into like Kabala and Jamatria hard Man the Cabala. I was like, I can't understand this strmitic Kabala. You know, but it's complicated. I was like, very I guess because of being in the Oto you have to understand.

I was just predisposed to Crowley and thelemic ideas. So I do have I guess maybe that outlook sometimes out looking at occultism, you know, because of Crowley and and I can get into plenty of other things, but in a nutshell, this was you were involved in a group that was the OTO, like an actual oh yeah yeah yeah, it was an actual, real

lodge and everything. Yeah oh wow, yeah. I mean I eventually left, and eventually, once I started having like my own experiences, I just realized like I didn't need to go to a place like that, and kind of left, and I just you know, what's really weird. It'd probably be interesting. Uh, you know, I'm sure we'll talk again. They actually started pushing that that far left shit too, so that pushed me right out the fucking door. Yeah, blew my mind, dude, they're pushing

on straight socialism. You know. I'm sorry not to get into a deep conversation, but Lovey was actually anti left. It is interesting, right, hippies. That was the one last thing I wanted to ask everybody. That's funny. So you have Xena LaVey Shrek m hm, and you have Taylor Swift, anyone, anyone anyone, anyone want to want to touch that with a with a stick or Okay, I didn't realize that. Okay, it's been a long time since I've seen uh Zena Zena Right. He was younger

for sure, Like, yeah, she was the talk shows. She looks just like Taylor Swift. Does that? I didn't realize out, Yeah, I think it is. And Daniel, what about you, Like what's your background in it? Like how do you know about it? As far as just reading and leaning, like going into the topics that I have, finding something that I didn't I wasn't familiar with, and then just because that's what I do, I just don't know. I consume everything I can about that

thing until I mixedure. I know it right, and I know it upside down, frontwards and backwards. But when I was making preparations to write this, I went through the whole history of like from from Summer. I went through, like I said, the Michael W. Ford book about the Babylonian magic and how to conduct the rituals and all that stuff, and just kind of went through the Free Masonic Quorder. The Jesuits actually have a lot of mysticism in them too, and just the ancient cults and the priestcraft. So

it's priestcraft beyond Babylon because they're still here. They just wear suits and white coats now instead of black robes, except for the judges who never got rid of the black robes. That's quite interesting. So you studied a cult basically before you wrote the book. Yeah, yeah, and then like the kind of the show kind of went from there. Like I started reading into the I think the Jesuits very the first thing. I like, my very first

topics were Bill Cooper and the and the Jesuits. However, way that came about, like whatever books I was reading at the time, there was a guy that was trying to pin everything that happens bad in the world on the Jesuits, and he wrote a bunch of books. But then I realized that he was covering for a lot of other people. So and Lisa like, what's if I may what's your background? So I'm an academic, grew up kind of going to school predominantly, took a lot of biology classes. Initially

I wanted to be a veterinarian. I went to go work for one to realize that you're dealing more with people than you are with the actual animals, and so that kind of turned me away. So I got into research, hardcore research, you know, like did a lot of cell culture. My backgrounds immunology, Streuss physiology, a lot of anatomy, a lot of physiology now looking into all life diseases and so forth. So it's kind of you

know, this whatever. But I was always into esoteric occult topics, and so when I stumbled upon the next show, it kind of just you know it, you know, was my thing. And so then I had the opportunity to work with Nick and then now looking at different occult like looking at the ones in the history, looking at different grim wares, I mean, just learning so very much, you know, especially with some of these old old grimmores like from the Middle East or from up in the Netherlands and stuff

like that. I think it's extremely fascinating and how much they knew back then compared to what we don't know now. So I think a lot of it was lost, a lot of it has been suppressed by design, I think on some level, or maybe just wanted to you know, make money off of a situation and be you know, have middlemen trying to be the go between so that's that's kind of been my path, so to speak. Cool. Well, thank you for sharing that with me, all of you.

Thank you. I just wanted to find out a little bit about you guys real quick. In any event, I want to say thank you. If anybody's interested in my book King of an Empire to the Shoes of a Misfit, written by yours truly no ghostwriter, you can go to to mike Hideous dot com along with all like this is one of my T shirt designs if

you can see that anyway. So yeah, if you go to my t shirt to my website, you can go to the section where I have all my merchandise and in addition to some of the CDs that are still left from Empire Hideous and Spy Society, you can get my book, you can get my t shirts, you can get all kinds of cool prints. It's actually called horrible Artwork designs, and I do everything like you know, dark,

creepy monster stuff. And yeah, so there's been a bunch of new T shirt designs, prints on towels, throw blankets, throw pillows, mugs, you know everything. Just go to the website. Thank you, folks. I really enjoyed doing the show. Thank you so much, Mike. I

greatly appreciate your time. This was a lot of fun. It was good, you know, And I hope people out there because last the last video I did with Dustin mus I think people get a little like bent out of shape when there's a like things get a little bit more debate, like in nature. I don't always like to take it that way either, but I think it's fun and I think it's good for you know. You know, it's just it's just another way of communicating, right, It's not necessarily debate.

Isn't an argument. You know, there's a big difference, and I think a lot of people who get too offended by that need to kind of like grow up a little bit. Because we love world today, right, and we love Mike and every not everybody is as sensitive and it is hurt by every little word that they hear. So if yes, you maybe that's

the problem is that you're sensitive, not so much us exactly. You know that like Michael and I, Michael Deigan, him and I have our differences on things, but yeah, we can have those differences and still be friends. That's the American way. That's what I love about the country. We can always give our opinion, but you have to know how to take it as an adult, and I'm that all under our conversation. Love it man, Thank you. I had How do I get out of this thing?

What do I do now? Think you just at the leave studio? Thanks? Everyone, be good, take care of and there we have it. Guys, Thank you for your time as well. Thanks for bringing your audience in with it too. It was great. Yeah, yeah, that was awesome. Yeah. It was nice to see some people in the chat, and I heard a lot of people say they wanted to part too, so we'll be working on that too. All right, Thanks guys. I gotta go see my daughter, take care and then that's it for us too. Out of here.