Forbidden History Revealed in Priestcaft: Beyond Babylon Occult Rejects welcomes Author Daniel Kristos

Welcome to the Occult Rejects in this episode. I'm very happy to have on this guest. He had me on his show recently, and I will say it was actually like a really really great discussion. I had a really good time on his show. Not that I don't on other shows. I'm always happy to go on other shows, but uh, I don't know, I don't know if it was a New York thing or whatever, but like it wasn't uncomfortable, it wasn't weird. It was like, this was just a

cool chat bullshit with some dude. I just meant, you know, So I really wanted to get him on my show. And I am a fan of people who write books. So I'm a fan of, you know, people who take the time to write books. You know. I think that is I mean, I'm trying to like work on one myself and it's probably only going to be like maybe the most one hundred and fifty pages. And even I find this like daunt thing, you know, but it has to

be like it's a passion for me to finish. So I guess I can relate with that, you know, And I find I just I just find that that's cool when people have a passion and complete something that takes a long time. You know, I feel that there is actually like heart and soul put into that. And I figured, why not have him come on and I guess kind of like talk about like what even got you into writing it? And this and that and before I introduce you, and I'll showed up.

I did forget I wanted to introduce. I got Lisa with me today, the Mad Scientist co hosting, and the guest himself finally have me running my mouth. This is why I hate intros. I hate intros which had Daniel Christos from Ballbusters as the guest. And what is up, my man? Let everybody know what your deal is before we get into the topic. Just let everybody know where they can find you. You show any topics that you I mean, not topics, any sites or anything links. Just let

just let everybody know. Please, Yeah, no problem. So, oddly enough, I have a site that for the last ten years has been devoted to my hot sauce business because I had a store in old town San Diego for about seven years and so it's called Semper Fry Fry. That's awesome, Yeah, that is great. So I just recently put up a podcast tab,

and on there you can see the podcast player. There's a link to the book, and there's a calendar of when I'm going to be on other people's shows and when they're gonna be on Mind, so they can kind of know when to tune into Rumble, which is basically the main place. But I got kicked off of Twitter so long ago that I actually had to use my girlfriend's phone number in order to get back on because they had completely blacklisted that number. Oh I'm using it different, Yeah, I don't even Yeah,

even even the YouTube account is under like uh like meeting. I had to make a whole new email accountable and have somebody in another country. Well I had to research, so just ended up being accounted made the account, so I didn't even ping the same ipadris. Wow. Yeah, Hey that's clever. Hey, you gotta get any way to work around it, right, And so yeah, I'm under disguise. Well I wrote it out disguised disguise, like under disguise. The limits because I can't even use Ballbusters on

there because they'll they've done it, They've taken it down before Christ. So it's called discus. It's like at disguise limits because they took the out of the center. But that's that's where I'm on the Twitter. Yes, and I'll uh, i'll add all your links too or if anything, Uh do you have a link tree? No, well I'll just addle your links on the bottom anyway for when the show drops. But uh yeah, and the book he has Prescraft Beyond Babylon ball Buster's Book. So I mean, I

guess, I mean, I guess probably self explanatory. When you started getting into conspiracy theories, you probably came across Bill Cooper, but like his uh, I guess, like what what was like made you want to write about this situation? If you don't mind it's weird because as soon as I saw the title Behold a Pale Horse, I put that book off because I was like, I don't want to be preached Thatt. This is kind of like

rigidly just crap. It's nothing like that at all. But I just had that preconceived notion that somebody's gonna fill me with a bunch of you know, your into hell, and I was I didn't I didn't want that. So I think I read Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustas Mullens first, and I read like Age of Reason by Thomas Paine, and then obviously Common Sense and stuff like that, and just one book would lead to another and I would start researching that. But I finally got around to Behold a Pale Horse.

And it even took me a couple of years after reading that to find his old Hour of the Time broadcasts, and there was a channel on bit shoot just called the Hour of the Time, and I think I might have probably listened to all of them at this point. I pretty don close and I came across his Mystery Babylon series and I would driving back and forth to San Diego for the store from Yuma, I would, uh, just listen

to the podcasts, right, and I can just hear it. So I got a lot of a lot of time in on that among other people. But so the way I wrote the book is he introduced kind of like the topics, and then I go into my research on it. So it's kind of like a side by side thing. And not not every chapter is like that, but when he had something to say about it, and he could, you know, say it, and I don't have to go too deep into it because it's already been mentioned. Then I can focus on other things.

And so it's kind of like my way of working alongside Bill the only way that I can because he's not here anymore. Yeah, what do you think is up with I mean, I know this is jumping right into it already, but like, what do you think is up with his death? Yeah? I don't trust Doyle. I can tell you that Shamiley. I don't buy that whole story that the police chief came to his house to protect him from something happened happening to him too, and that's why he found out

after the fact. I think it was I think that he wasn't inserted into his life on purpose, for for a purpose to monitor him. And it's almost like a handler in a sense, maybe something like that, but yeah, damage control. Yeah, like a confidant, like almost like it's worse because it's really deceptive, you know. Yeah, I don't know if that's true, and I don't want to be liable for saying something like that, but I have suspicions. And so it's a theory of yours, you know

that you can want. Yeah, And in the way they say that it went down and Doyle describes it in one of the documentaries about how the police finally like you know, said that they intentionally showed up there one night playing clothes, playing huge speakers in a in a truck to try to get him out there because he had I guess some kind of understanding with the property owners around his area on the top of the hill to watch over their stuff because

teenagers are breaking fences and animals are getting loose and stuff like that. So he would do that as a courtesy. He would take care of their property. If somebody was out there drinking and doing stupid stuff, he'd go out

there and you know, get him out of there. So they lured him out of his home and then as he realizes that they're playing closed cops doing this, he gets back into his vehicle and he's trying to drive back up to his house and they try to ram him, and he pushed one guy off and he didn't you know, run him over anything and push him off. But by the time he gets to his house, they I guess in

their orders they said don't let him back in. That's in order to kill yeah, and he's they're saying that he was one legged running running because they had like the fake leg right, and somehow it turned around with a thirty eight special and shot a guy in the head as he's running. There's no

fucking way in the angle, doesn't make sense. And there you see a bullet hole through like a parked card that he had bought for his Another suspicious character, his daughter who showed up in his life towards the end too. And somehow they knew the whole day out of the house of what he had there. But yet she claims she never told them anything. She just said Dad would try to ask me. So there's all kinds of mess up stuff

going on with that. But I don't think he I think he was portrayed a lot, and I think that's it's pretty a sad, tragic thing. And you know what happens with these idiots, these cops that go out and do stuff like this, they end up shooting themselves, shooting each other all the time. I think the guy just got dinged by somebody else who wasn't paying attention, and they blamed it on Bill. The guy didn't die, but he did get shot in the head. That's that's what I think happened.

Because even if we look at so many of these other other instances where they'd go to raid somebody for no good reason, somebody gets shot, they blame it on the guy, on the person that they went after, and this usually then the shoots the guy. So it's they're just that bumbling. They're not really good at what they do. No, oh, in the morning. This morning, I'll be like, oh, yeah, you want to know how good we are. They like the Witching Hour for some reason.

Yeah, that's the best frie for real. You read The Pale Horse, so with the chapter missing or with the chapter included, So why have they took out? Yeah? I have the five hundred page one. I know they have like one that's like four hundred and sixteen or something like that. I think they took the Protocols of Zion out of one of them. Yes, that might have been something to do with also copyright, because I know they were publishing that again as well. So I did read the whole

thing with that in there. And uh, as best as you can get from a PDF, like whatever his documents were that were, you know, looked like they were scanned in an old copier that were at it look like I've what I can make out of it. Wasn't always write and focus or some parts or cut off. But yeah, like I saw the stuff with like Keno in there towards the end and all that stuff. So was there anything like in that chapter that was, you know, worth wanting to take

out? Yeah? It was it like anything we're like, Oh, I could see whether they took this out or what. Yeah, I mean, it couldn't be the fact it was just on Zion that it's good enough. I don't know, you know, right, it was funny because he tiptoed around that a lot. I noticed it. And this is one of the things that I don't understand, except for maybe because al Weener, the guy who was you know, the head of the radio station that you know,

helped him out and got him going and stuff like that was Jewish. I think maybe he just treaded lightly. I don't know what the real reason is behind that, because if you do any of this research, you're gonna end up landing in the kabbala and you're gonna end up seeing these connections going up. If you don't, I mean, he would talk more about the Jesuits

than he would about and he's very rarely talked about that either. It was always communist, socialist, Marxist this, But who made those people up who are comprised of that? You know, what are the majority of the Bolsheviks, you know, and it's he also, I think held on too much of the mainstream narrative of World War two, if you know what I mean. And you know, the focus over here in Germany paid no attention to the mass slaughter going on in Russia, you know. But that's not to

criticize. I don't know what his reasonings were for that, but I definitely didn't have the same restraints when I wrote the book. And it's not to go after anybody or you're this so therefore you must be that. No,

it's not that at all. But there are you know, instances where you have to consider that the Lurrian Kabbala set the stage for Zionism to come about, the you know, taking an active role how the Sabotans after being kind of what do they call it, disillusioned by sabbatized, you know, he decided to go go Muslim to see Yeah, that's that's how people like Dwight York, I mean, Dwight York must have seen him do that, you

know, Red read that he pulled that off. He's like, oh, I can keep changing whatever religion my cult is and they'll just keep following me. Wait, now we're going crypto. We're going to so so came about because of that. And then you you know, if you follow the line there, so these crypto Sabatan, it's not so much crypto Jews with crypto Saboteans because they were heretical according to mainstream jew you know Jews at that point, and uh, they would be ousted out of towns if they found that

you were Sabatan. They started, uh well they actually somehow got interact were interacting with Jacob Leebowitz or Jacob Frank and they started teaching him the mysticism. The Sufism is all over both of those two people. Sufi mysticism is a

huge part of it. And that gets into Spain too, Like there's a real heavy concentrate stuff, and I don't think people get there, like when I would say it's probably most certain that Ignatius or an ego of Loola was a Morano like Hugo's Bass Royalty. I go look at the fu history of Spain, would you. There's there's Phrenician burial areas, and it's like,

what are you talking about? Stop it? But so Jacob gets brought up by basically under the wing of the Donba, and there's a guy named Barukia Russo who he also said he was a reincarnation of so self proclaimed schizophrenic Jacob Frank said he was Jacob from the Bible, he was a reincarnation of sabataize Zev. And this guy Russo that the third one most people don't really talk about. But then he goes on and just turns everything from dial setting one

to dial setting ten and breaks the goddamn knob off, you know. And it's everything that we hear about, you know, the quote unquote elite and these types of people all looks practice or what we consider Satanism to be. That's a complete description of Jacob Frank's frank Ism, where they were duties to drink blood, to wife, swap, incest, child, rape and torture all that stuff, and it's part of magic, their magic, their way

going about it. I have to say, I mean accord according to like the information that we have, they seem to have been pretty open about like being into like screwed up shit. Yeah, Yeah, it was basically like they from when I got out of the frankt out of those people, like I think we covered them a while ago. They seem to have just wanted to like kind of like push push it to one extreme, to like break the system by degrading man, instead of like bringing this up to make a

change, We'll just fucking bring in the end times faster. Right, So the choice is can we make all men great? That's a little bit hard. It's a lot easier to corrupt all men, right, So they went after all positive forms of systems. So whether they're religious or governmental, they wanted to destroy all positive systems, right, that's part of their credo,

their you know, their decree, their modus operandi. And when Jacob Frank was kind of getting pressure from his surrounding, he decided, hey, they the Donmo went went to Islam, We're going to go Catholic and Christian. Twenty six thousand people under his influence, including himself, got baptized, and then he infiltrated that direction, you know, into that. So it's not

like the Roman Catholic Church was holier than that. If you look at the history of the popes, begin with they had some pretty uh questionable roots to say the very least. So I don't know what people think of that, but it's you got to kind of look at it for what you see, Like hope is it the third pop Boniface. There's some really interesting, horrific characters out there. I don't and none of them have ever recognized our constitution

or us being independent. So that kind of ties into the whole Connor information thing too, you know, the thing you were saying before about like you know, the stuff not being in there, or maybe like why he didn't focus so much on all this stuff. You know, things that I've even just seen like amongst the conspiracy community. I probably really wouldn't even be thinking of this if it wasn't for odd Man saying something last week when he was on my show. But like, I mean, I've seen it with other

people, and I have seen like kind of divide. I mean, there's so many different pockets of little communities and groups in podcasting and truth and conspiracy or occult but like I have seen some people like almost draw a line with Zionism, you know, like the odd Man had told me since he started covering it. There's certain shows and people that I would deal with him anymore, And I was like mind blown. Actually, I was just I just

I didn't think we associated with new people like that. I guess he does, you know. I didn't ask him who it was either, I didn't want to know, but uh, you know, I was just like a little surprised. I was like, God, damn, like really like you then, I fucking with you because you've been like covering Zionism recently, and it's just, you know, could that I don't know, maybe that guy was dealing with the same like could have been dealing with the same ship back

then. I don't know. Yeah, it's possible. And that's that's that's a good point. Which really weird about it is it's not exactly and I do think there's a reason for that though. I think the pushback is because there's something there right exactly, and there's and it's not like all Jews are

Zionists. That's another misconception. So you know, you could ask a Jews what's zion and some of them be like, I really they couldn't even tell you, right, They'd be like it's like an idea, Like they couldn't really probably pinpoint something that would make you actually convinced that they understood what zion is. Or they'll tell you that it's not right to force the hand.

It should come about naturally through God's own time frame, not yours. Right if you if you think you should be the one pushing it, then it's a it's a contract of man, not of God. So therefore it kind of makes itself no and void. Right. And then when they when they when the job, the j Frankists, if you will, when they converted, you see them like people like Swedenberg Zinzenzorf. The Brethrens started popping up,

right. You had the the Asiatic Brethren, you had the Moravian, which I think we're an offshoot of the Bohemian, and then they created the Plymouth and the Exclusive Brethren. For all these parents were in either the Plymouth or the Exclusive. So that's that's straight up Sabatinism right there, or sabotin Frankism. So God knows what his childhood was actually like, you know,

no, I think it wasn't. His parents supposedly Quakers as well. I think I think the puritanical side of these Brethrens is what might stand out. So I think maybe that's where that that sense comes from, because apparently they're

very strict, but at their core they were Francists. Well, you know, I was going to say, this is just my opinion, and this is from covering When I covered Skinwalker Ranch, that ended up turning into like four or five I think five maybe six part series something like that, crazy

long. It was probably about a year and a half ago, maybe two years ago on the Occult Rejects. The reason it ended up turning that into that long is because when we started looking at a lot of the people associated with Skinwalker Ranch, the property, or anybody covering anything over there, more than half or a large amount of them were all Mormons. Oh wow,

And I was like, yo, what I mean? I understand Utah's Mormons, but like you also have to realize Mormons also think that there's little spaceships up there, you know, some of them. So you have to staw

wondering what's really going on with the UFOs around Skinwalker Ranch. But I forgot where out when I started like looking into like a lot of these Mormon people and just like starting to like look through Mormon lineage, Like you started getting a lot of them in the Quakers, like coming over here in stuff like around almost the same time, you know, frame, and like a lot of them, like I feel like a lot of them when they were we

have to remember this country, it was basically like a refugee for religious people that were getting fucking having problems practicing their religion wherever they were. It could have been for a negative reason, or there could have been a justified reason. Maybe this person's fucking weird. You know, you have no idea, but we got large amounts of people coming over here like that. And I do think that there was people who were occultists or even part of secret societies

that were covering themselves underneath those religions as well. Absolutely, so like what you were getting at too, I have to really question what kind of upbringing the Croley even really have exactly. And what's funny is that he was kind of guided by a hand the whole time, because he ends up going into the Golden Dawn, and if you trace that back, you're going to see that they lose people had roots and sabotinism as well, from one direction or

another. So it's like he got brought back into the same type of thing just a little bit more without the mask on it, you know, so it's kind of it's kind of interesting how that all, how that all turned out. Have you done much work on the Golden Dome before? Not really, but like there's a book out there that covers some stuff, and I'll

read something from it if you know mine. It's uh it says, ah, we come back again to that offshoot of the Asiatic Brethren, and the freighter is Lucius of the early nineteenth century, in which buller Lytton is said to have been initiated. The Golden Dawn was governed by the Secret Chiefs, where set said to direct the activities of the order through spirit communication. The Secret Chiefs were related to both those of the Strict Observance and the descended Masters

of Bolovatsky. And then they say the Golden dun was at that time led by McGregor Mathers, which we all know that the Secret Chefs, that's Secret Chiefs. And then then you get it into this again when you talk about the Brethren's, is that like the Hermetic Order, the Hermetic Brotherhood of Light

that was Sabotine. It's like it's it just it's everywhere, like that's that's one of those things that cuts through all these other even like Christianity and all these sects that were allegedly very strict in Christianity, like they had a secret they had some secrets going on there. Well, even like some of these

secret societies. Like even like I mean with the OTO, I really might be grasping when I say the astramargentum, but like I could at least speak with the OTO initiations, like as you go up, they'll be like almost like they will almost like getting like names specific where it's like now you know you're having knights templar being mentioned in there, or certain like I wouldn't say it's like another degree, but it's like an add on. I forgot this

a term fucking for it, and I'm screwing it up. But I mean there's like things that other roles and names and positions that you can take before you're actually moving to another degree or maybe arts of moving to the next degree that you will. They do have like names to them that just go back to other things, you know, And I think they they even have like

supposedly the Illuminati something that I forgot the way they word it. But I mean, so some people think the OTO is automatically the Illuminati now, which I yeah, I don't know about all that maybe, but part of it anything, it's probably just like because I think the Illuminati, like became the

Philadelphi's, they became the the Ami Reunis. There were all kinds of different sects after quote unquote the Big Lodge went down or whatever, so they were already everywhere else anyway, just under different names, doing the same thing. So you'd have to trace each one of them forensic style to see where they

where they went from there, you know. But going back to that Brotherhood of Light, like they talk about the Oto and the Right of Memphis and mister him being involved with that, and so I mean they also say that like people that claim that the Resocutions now that's there, they do that for giving themselves clout, And that might be why they bring up names like the Knights Templar too, because I think it's a way of you know, substantiating

themselves or legitimizing themselves as having these deeper roots when there's probably nothing that's original at a certain point, or at least a lot of it isn't anymore. It's not from the core of the earlier beliefs. They get rerouted a lot. I mean, what's the good thing you didn't get to Elen? Was it the eleventh degree in the otio the fun sodomy degree. I think I believe it or not. I think that may even start popping up before then. I don't know how to but no, I haven't gotten that far.

It's like, congratulations, you've made it, now, bend over. There is just guys, there's some weird stuff in some of the one of the degrees they get into the homunculous and all that weird shit. So like, yet, if you're actually like talking about like the brain, you know, it could be so many different things. Something I was gonna say, Oh, you know my opinion. I have been questioning it lately. And I even think Lisa might even agree with me on this because of like the stuff

that we've been covering and and stuff. She's been privy to actually see stuff that Crowley has like written himself. She's gone to you know, the library and actually like looked at his hand notes of writing vision in the voice. So you will see right, yeah, yeah, so you will see things that you won't see in his book. And I'm starting to wonder if it

was possibly a Rosicrucian order, but just not the Rosicrucians. They just took a different name because he's too fixated on Rose and it's not always his girl, right, you know. And I just and just I also find like the whole Rose thing just a very common visual when you're experiencing magic the way. But I do think, I do think it's quite possible it could be

possibly like a Rosicrucian order in itself that's just been rebranded. Yeah, And you know where I get that thing about the rosecretions from is actually from Proofs of the Conspiracy by John Robison, which was written in seventeen ninety five. It was back then that he was saying that they were often using certain names for clout And that's seventeen ninety five. I can only imagine what they would

be doing at this point, right. Everything's commercial. So I don't know what you've come across on that, Lisa, But have you have you gotten there's this book called transi Humanism, The History of the Idea by David Livingstone that this is a great book for like a lot of I've heard of that information all at once, and you can trace the lineage a lot. I found this book after I wrote read I wrote mine, of course, So oh was that when you were like, damn, I can I put so

much? Yeah? Yeah, but yeah I definitely checked that out. So yeah, Like what Nick was saying is that you see because they have all his handwritten journals, you know, in the collection, and then they have the first print of the vision the voice that's like typed out, and then from there you know the subsequent editions or whatever, and you see where he has gone in on the first edition that was written in circle specific words and

like made sure that those were capitalized. And it has nothing to do with oh it was the beginning of a sentence or it was the name of somebody. No, it's just arbitrary words where he says he wants is capitalized. But then you would flip the page and it's the same word, but he's not asking for it to be capitalized. So it's almost like there was a pattern to it, or there was code to it, or he's trying to

emphasize that particular word in that particular paragraph to mean something. There was that and then the repetitions of certain words that occurred consistently and constantly, and then with the handbook, you saw like a bunch of doodling, like kind of like like he's trying to work something out, math like he's probably doing them on the words. There was there was there was a bunch of math.

There was a bunch of almost like calculations, but there was a bunch of doodling, and it was almost like you then you look at the next page over, which for me, and not that I'm the same person, but that when you're writing a journal, I don't skip pages like I just keep writing, just flip the page and keep writing. But he reserved that one page on one as a way to either edit or think things through or whatever.

And so it was so to me that was vital, that empty page of what he doodled, and then it worked over to the next page. That's pretty interesting. I don't know if that makes any sense, but there was there was a method method to the madness. But there was an actual legit methodology to his writing. And so I definitely think everything was calculated. Everything there was specific. He was so huge with it had to be. He was fixated on Jamata. He really will How close are you allowed to

get to it. Can you touch him and look through him, pictures of him everything. It's just unfortunately you have to get permission to show them. They're actually copyrighted I And that's to me. I would have covered this shit already. Yeah, No, I just want to interrupt you before I forget. And the reason why I'd say I would have covered this shit already simply for the fact that she found him dropping the fucking N bomb and saying fags

or something like that in his own writing, in his own writing. So I'd love to know what the far left lip tards think about their master Crowley dropping words like that in their writing in his writing. Yeah, I can't wait to show that without having to have it taken down. And you're like,

oh, copyright permission shoes. And it was something else, And he wrote a letter to somebody and it was almost like in rebuttal, because I think this person had asked him for an interview and he he was upset that he was softball these questions or that he was asked types of questions and it's like, what you're wasting my time almost that, you know, And then the whatever was put out in terms of the interview was not technically what he

was happy with. And so it was in response to that that you know, oh, I guess you have to cater to these people, and that's why you asked me these questions and you had to put these things out. And then that was the title of that letter and they have it typed out and that's part of the state that's with the collection. But yes, to

answer your questions, they have his journals. You can touch them, and it was it was odd because you can touch them and it's you can see where he's very passionate about certain topics, where the actual intention of the pen is harder on certain parts, and then where others it's not. You can tell where he's writing swiftly, and you can't really make out what he's writing up here too, like your mental process thing, for sure, I think

be true. Definitely think so there was you could tell like even in his journals it was planned, like there was so much going on in his brain. Usually when you write journals, you're just freestyling it, right, just hurry up and get it down because it's in my brain and I'm trying to capture it. But with him, it almost seemed like there was a method to it all, and then he numbered them as well. That was another

thing. I think there was something else that we talked about. But I have a whole list of all the little intricacies of the things that I noticed of those journals themselves. To me, I think those journals are more valuable than what was written in the books. I think you actually yet personal relationship,

kind of like digging into somebody's diary that you're not supposed to. I'm pretty sure if I was to touch them, I would probably would have been wearing gloves and tongs, so I didn't get anything into my Well, it's funny. It's funny you say that, because you know, when I requested, because you have a better request in all kinds or whatever. I think they were expecting somebody different than she got to look at the tyrot cards you used to use and everything. Yeah, and that's good. I'll just say,

you're not pasty white with tattoos all over your face. What do you do in here? They told me that, they said, because when I requested, they were they said something I don't know what it was, and they were like, we were expecting somebody with like purple hair and all tatted out and I was like, sorry, I'm sorry, but yeah, they said that people you know that that's the stereotype that when they got the Crawley I guess collection, they were they knew that that type of traffic was going

to start coming in. But what first popped in my mind when you said that just certain words were capitalized and they weren't in other places is the reason why I asked if you could touch them, is could you go from one end of the book to the other just write down those words that are capitalized and see if they make any sense in a different sentence. I told I told Nick that. I was like, there is a code. I know, there is just the way it is, and you know, and the

thing is, I got there at nine. I left a four thirty, you know what I mean. And it's like, well, you know, that could be like there's not enough time that could be for his writing to know like when the cipher ends and stops and something else changes or something you have no idea. I mean, there could be something beyond that for real,

right, It's like even like like the next phase. If the words don't make you know, like grammatical sense in a row, then you have to ask yourself, Okay, what is the Then you go back to Nick and like, what's the jama you know, the jamatia value of each one of these and in relations with one another, and see if there's some kind of other code there. Right, there's so many ways it could be, or it could just be random. I don't fend them with him. Maybe

he's like, somebody's gonna mind fuck my shit so much. I'm gonna do this now, Yes, exactly, and this is just gonna mind fuck people one day down the road. I know it. He did like the than that, And I think a lot of times, like I like, we kind of got into our when we first talked Nick that I think he purposely was leading people astray if they would, because if you can manipulate as well, screw them literally, you know, have fun with them and use them

as whatever, you know, peon toys. That he would. But I don't think he had a lot of respect for the majority of the people that were as followers. I think he was a kind of you know, spiteful towards a lot of For him to call use the word fags when he was bisexual, this is like weird, it's for emphasis. He said like, it's like, but not only really mean him, but he's calling you a weak you know. Oh even I think he's considered his followers even slaves to

the gods himself. I do think he's thought that. M I think when you, when you look at how much just the intricacy went into just journal writing, you you do develop that he was some sort of a genius, very or highly intelligent. Let's just go with that, right, highly intelligent. And I wonder how much of when you surround yourself with people that basically

just repeat everything you say or just believe everything you tell them. I think it grows foul in your mouth at some point that you're no longer being challenged, that the people around you are just basically becoming parrots, and that you are not growing or because you're intelligent, you crave that intelligence, you crave that growth. So yeah, I mean, just imagine if nobody has anything to add, like nothing, no input, nothing, They're not bringing anything

to the table of themselves and they're not even questioning what you say. You may you may as a lead them off a cliff like a pied piper, right this sucket whatever, If you're gonna if you're gonna follow me. You just gave me license to take you wherever the hell I want to take you. You know, That's what I think is like should even be like thinking

about that today? Yeah, oh what made me make this correlation? But like I was kind of thinking about how like you know, magicians or you have like all these like all right, you have all croll these books, he's got all these levers, and you do have like other people have put out o this stuff, and like in a sense, in a way, if they're really occultists, you know, then they're the real deal, which I do think there's some of them out there where what you're putting out if

you're really I guess, trying to do the best. It's almost as if people scientists putting out research papers that's actually legit showing like you know, evidence of something. Oh you know, it's like they're trying to advance on an

idea or a theory. How is this done? And I haven't seen much advancement in a long long time really when it comes to magic, Like you really don't see people kind of like coming out and saying like some of the weird outlandis stuff that I say, and I know I'm not the only one, but like you're not hearing that kind of like as people's experience with magic.

So in my opinion, like how far is all this knowledge that they've gotten or given us so that we're getting either being misunderstood, it's just fucking garbage or mind fucking us, you know, because we're not we're not we're not handing anything back in and being like here, this is for the next generation of people to hopefully get you any father. That's not happening, right, that hasn't happened in a long time within occultism and magic. So like

there's a fucking problem. Yeah, there's something. There's a problem with the paperwork, with the scientific paperwork that's been published in magic and occultism. There's something wrong with it. And if they and if those people got fed up with that, that scenario, that atmosphere, and they decided, you know what, let's screw the next few generations up because they're not going to even

look into whether or not we're telling them the truth. Yes, really, there's some apologists out there for Crowley that uh, so many of them. Oh yeah, there was just one woman I can't remember. So Yo's I never met the fucking guy. I never spent the imagine you spend at least ten minutes in his fucking head. No, that's impossible. We don't know who he is. So how can you cook for a guy like that?

Right? In which in what she said is when he's saying these things about the seven year old blonde boy as being the best there, she's like, oh, and that he's done this a hundred and eighty five times in the year or whatever. She's like, oh, she was talking about the orgasm. Yes, I'm like, give me a fucking break. I mean, like he could be plained about it because he was covered. He was you

know, he was intelligence. These people were eating out a bomb in his hand and he was And when people say, oh, paper clip Nazis, I'm like, do you not understand what Croley was doing? Like paper clip Nazi? My ass Like, this guy was the one who revived all these ancient mystery school like torture methods. It wasn't just it wasn't just paper clip. He had to understand what was going on with Nazism for him to give

Winston Churchill the peace sign to defeat the swastika. He understood what was going on? I thought, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like he I mean so like, but like you never heard him say anything about it, did he? But if he understood what was going on, In my opinion, you'd realize this is a magical mind fuck. Why aren't you calling it out, you know, if you're actually caring about humanity not being fucked even more? No, because magic should be about taking off the

chains, not throwing more on your followers. Yeah, and what do you think about the Lusitania? Because he went over on it twice and then apparently the plan was made. I don't know, I don't know have even said you you know, it's it's it's interesting how UFOs got real big after he supposedly died too. Yeah, he went around opening portals into walking away. It's probably had something to do with it, all right, I would love to let's uh, we kind of veered off there a while. Let's get

back to you when you're a book man. I'm sorry topic no, no, I mean it's still this is a great chat. But I mean I do want to go back to you. You're the guest, you know, and you got this book, so I didn't want you to you know, promote it a little bit more. One thing I did notice about uh, you know, it's funny, like even Behold the Pale Horse. I never really fully read that book, but one thing I did think was funny is

that it was hugely popular in prison and amongst gang members. And I think it was because it's like, oh yeah, we're like it was a way for them to hate the government even more, like forget about like the kilos I was selling. It's like, oh, well, you're corrupt at a cult system, so now it's like your fault. I'm in here, but you know what I'm saying, but you know it's your fault. I shot the fucking dude down the street because this is my turf, you know.

But like it, it seemed to be real big in prison when I had time prison. I think Cooper actually may have commented on that before that you'd be surprised what type of people have read his book and actually are supporting, like and wanting to learn more. And he would have he would have support in all the strangest places if he ever needed it. No, there was a lot of a lot of his stuff going around that I noticed, sure,

and like in this book, like I actually bring in. At first, when I was reading this guy's book, Mascheme Hole by Michael W. Ford, I had no idea that there was an order nine angles connection. It just Babylonian magic and that was it. Babylonian Magicschume Hole. So I'm reading this thing and I'm learning some stuff, and Niggashita is this uh deity and it's the conducia symbol. It's the two snakes coil it and this thing, it's like, so forget about this staff of Hermes, forget about this

Sclepias, so forget about you know, mercury. This is where this ship comes from. And this thing was like the plague giver. So that's what they adopted for for allopathy. So they're straight up telling you right in your face if you go deep enough in the history, and it all comes from Babylon. It's telling you what we're doing to you, right in your face.

And I'm holding an imaginary staff in my hand. I think that's really anybody, but it's it's like I can even if you want me to read that little quick spy, it's a line and I'll show you the picture real quick too. For those of you on the podcast will get a lot out of this. Uh so on this that one side, that's like a glass or like some kind of chalice, right, and then you'll see the Pazuzu

on the other side. You get illustrations in this book. Yeah, a couple in a this is coming from asking Hall says as a as a healing god, Ningozita is symbolized as the crowned serpent, the wise one who brings fertility of mind and body. Ninguzeita is also able to ravage the land with plague and fever as well, much like Pazuzu. His manifestations are varied,

yet usually always appeared as a serpent in some way. And then it says, however, the god of war, plague and the underworld, who later resides with the Rishkagal for half the year is Nergal probably and this is me talking, probably because he gave the Curator of the dead so much business. And then Rikala is the name of the Babylonian underworld, as in the home of many demons, monsters, and many take the form of serpents and dragons.

They will at times feed on the etheric substance of mankind, which is best put as highly high intensity emotions such as fear and anxiety. They can all also cause sickness and death by poison and plague. The brotherhood of death. I think we all know that means like right, the soul bones and people of that nature assumes this role, and many invoke and may invoke these

ancient demons in magical workings as hoper agents and their eugenic coling agendas. And it says another rendition to Pezuzu from the Pezuzu blog shows his member as the snake itself. Here he also has a scorpion tail. The venoms of both

snakes and scorpions are widely used in toxic poisonous pharmaceuticals. And I won't use that other word, but you know that thing that you get poked in the arm, So I think we're going to be yeah, yeah, it's a sea celtic biotech and crops inceessicides, pesticides, including but not limited to any means, by any means, round up which also contains gly foss a. I'm almost done. And then it says the sex organ being the administrator of

venomous poison is not unlike that of the single fang or syringe. And then on this page. There's a picture of good old Clinton's Arkansas there, so I've said on that one. So vapfha met right says the Bafmett child predator here with the erect penis in the form of a caducius, or as some

may describe it, the allopathic medical symbol. So either the semen of the wicked one has healing powers like we probably told a girula to ourselves pertaining to our own or they're plainly telling you they're injecting an evil seed into you and your children. The fact that he she is erect in the presence of two children should tell you something else about baff Matt and those who would identify with the symbol being that the rot of Sclapias had but one serpent or snake.

I believe what is actually being depicted here is the staff of Hermes, the trickster and god of merchants and thieves. Mercury serves the same role as Hermes, and the Mercury aspect ties into alchemy as does Hermes. So may argue the staff is Mercury's if you don't know the two deities are feeling the same position. I would go so far as I say they are attributable to Loki, the mischievous trickster. In some of the tales, Loki got his kicks

from deceiving people into murdering their own children. Maybe reconsidering, maybe reconsider the schedule and protect your children from it at all costs, he said Loki, because you know, he would from things that I have right in people's work on hermetic kabbala, they would associate him with Hode, which is they do say has a trickster like aspect to it. And you know, hermes a

toad to HOODI would still even fit there. And on hold, you do get the hermaphrodite as a symbol, so like even in that sense, you're still getting like the male and female, so I mean, and then you have children there. I mean that that in a sense could be showing the male and female aspect in that sense as well. And it's even making me, you know, besides many other you know things, I'm just trying to

say. You know, it's just interesting, you know how that old kind of does line up symbolism was And on the lower level, people who are walking by it, they're going to see two children. And this this go meant to like shock the fucking sight. Anyway, it's meant right, yeah, but are they going to notice that that symbol there is supposed to be an erection in the presence of children? That's you know what I mean? Yeah, click, I mean there's even more offensive if you actually look at

it a little bit too long, you know. No, for sure. I remember even when I was in uh, I was in Salem, even the last three times I went, I was like, oh, I think they had like a I don't know if it was like a church of Sainting, that they had some kind of place there where you could actually go and see their bahamett. I was like, oh, I'm going to go. I'm going to go. And I still was just like once I got there, I'm like, no, I'm not going, Like I can't even pull

myself to do it. Like, I'm just like, this is so silly you wanted to have it. Store that's right across the street from a Catholic Catholic church, and there's a giant statue in there. There's all kinds of those wax you know that things that you do ceremonially, all kinds of stuff they can sell there, and it's all kinds of daphamets and other kind of

weird looking demon thingies. And I don't know what else are depicting for, like, you know there whatever they call that thing that they do with the Day of the Day of the Dead and last, but there's all kinds of stuff. There's there's a life size demon female with you know something. I don't know what she is, but she has detailed preston a couter right there is It isn't really hard to do because I'm five five, but it looks like chilling there. Do not touch I'm like, yeah, no problem,

put my arm around it. Take a picture. Yeah, there's probably something market they're obsessed with that. Yeah, that part is there. Yeah, And I don't know if is that Is that a female though, or is that yeah? Yeah, yeah, because all I ever seen is the straight up skull depictions. Yeah. They than they have the Catarina, which is the Day of the Dead girl. Yeah. I'm glad you pronounced it because

I wanted to build it as good as you. That's funny because whenever I've ever thought of that or seen that, it's always just been like a face. I don't think like the thing is is because I've I'd normally seen it tattoos, so it's never been a body with it. It's always just been the phase. Yeah, and I think that was something else I didn't know about until I went to prison, of those tattoos. I'm not gonna ask

steroids. Steroids. I've talked about it always so before. Yeah, yeah, yeah at the time it four dicks for soon on a steroids on the internet. Ah, that's nothing. It was a skid bit. It help help build the character, can tell you that much. It definitely. It was definitely a fucking experience and not one I expected. I maybe I'm lucky or whatever, but it's still was a bizarre I was just like, Yo, this is prison, Like is that one of those things where you go

in with a what do they call it? A yeah, a minor in in one thing to come out with as a as a doctorate and some other yo. You know. Yo. There was people then that were like that'n this is a crazy shit. I'm so sorry. I'm not like trying to get over you or anything like. Yo. There was because I remember because it was even like a dude who like didn't even come in for steroids, but like somehow got obsessed with them. And he was from New York as

well, and I ended up running into him. I actually ended up living

in his room for a little bit until he left. But like and then once he found out that, like I was into steroids, and like I was like making them, you know, I was like fucking turned my kitchen into a lab and I was actually like taking the hormones and adding it to the oil, you know, all that shit, but bottling it up, you know, and making So like this kid was like before he met me, he was already like this kid was legit taking classes there because you can

actually take you can take some pretty impressive classes if you actually have like prior whatever credits or if you were in college. But there's some serious classes there. And he was like taking like chemistry classes and shit where he was gonna start like making stubboids. But like besides him, you know, so like when he met me, he fell in love and like was under this illusion that we're gonna like start this shit up. And I'm like, dude,

I'm not coming back here, Like I'm finding a different way. I'm just not coming back here. Dude, you you just did ten years and like and like no, not for nothing, for nothing, that's a egg on this dude or anything. But like he got popped for two guns, and like he was from I think it was the Bronx of Brooklyn. He drove to like Kansas. He drove states to go hand the feds guns. Oh, like Yo, they didn't even have to leave them their fucking house or

their station, naking. You came to them, man, Like, you're really fucking dumb. I would never commit a crime with you, criminal? INTI what you're literally for two fucking guns? You put them in your car and drove states, which fucked you even more because now every state you went into and went through is federal? Man, Like, are you that fucking dumb? For two I'd be like, yo, bro, sorry, you

gotta come here. And then like the amount that I would even attempt to make it worth traveling with, I'd really have to question who the fuck are you too? Like come on, I was just like, dude, like you're having problems. You can't sell that shit in the streets in Brooklyn,

right, Like what the fuck? Like you're a stupid criminal. But besides him, there was tons and tons of people that literally were like learning failed fucking attempts from prisoners thinking they were gonna do it the right way when they get out, and that screw up like them. I was just like, yo, Like, these people are in here because they didn't do it right, and you think now you're going to do it right when you get out, when you already have a record and the fence are gonna be fucking watching.

You're probably the first year or two anyway, it's so funny. No, like, just fucking stay here, tell him you don't want halfway house and hang out for a while. Don't go home? Do you remember that line in American history? Actually, he's like embarrassed. What do you mean embarrassed? Nobody in here got away with anything? What are you embarrassed about? You stink to it? Chilly kill. We all got busted. Obviously we weren't that great at what we were doing. We thought we were,

but there was a rat. No, we fucked up somewhere. It's like, so you want me to work with you when I get out. Haven't you seen the movie Blow? How did that end? How did that? Yo? I was in with him? No? Yes, yes, he was in four Diggs Jesus, Yeah, holy shit, Yes, I met him he made me feel bad for him in that movie. At least It's like, I'm gonna do this my daughter, and I was like, got me here because I have a daughter. I was like, that would be

very upset. He was a grumpy dude about that situation. I imagine, I imagine being given male he get pistol Off sometimes an interesting character, but I think he's stuck to his guns. I'm pretty sure he left prison and disappeared. Yeah, they have no idea where he is. That's good. Yeah, I don't know. Man, Like, you mess with the wrong chick and she puts a wedge between you and your family. Right sucks. Oh well, anyway, prison memory was the energy of the No No,

it was funny. Listen, it's at the time sucked. But I mean, at some point, I think in order to make it through, you have to start looking at as like just one long drawn out comedy until it ends, you know what I'm saying. Like a lot of you know, I'll even say I met some of the funniest fucking people in there, because eventually you have to like just to deal with this fucking retardedness of prison, you know, to even deal with the people that you're in there with,

because sometimes they're even worse than the fucking corrections officers. You have to like just constantly be finding ways to like pull pranks, say silly shit, do dumb stuff, troll all the motherfuckers, you know, start up a fucking bullshit, fucking you know, little bullshit story and watch it fucking turn into a fucking fight three days later. You know, there's all sorts of things you'll do in prison to like laugh and and get away. You know,

I guess to deal with your time. But uh, it was definitely an experience, you know what I'm saying. And I I mean, I guess I didn't want to have to lose two years to it, but like, it definitely has opened my eyes. I guess to like ways that the world is that I didn't know because I was never subject to it, right man, you know. Yeah, that's uh, it's the weird stuff is when you're oh, oh that's offensive to you as well. Sorry, I wasn't

supposed to go to the bathroom. Just now got it by bad. It's like all kinds of stupid things, like oh, I only spent a couple of months, but that was something stupid. Oh my God, I'm see I was okay, I was out a low, So I guess like that's what made it like when I say it was like even just bizarre, Like there was just things going on there that I just was not thinking was going to be acceptable or loud or just out in the open, and I was

just like whoa. So like you know, like it really was a very different experience than going to like a medium, where like all of a sudden, now you had to start kissing everybody's fucking ants around you. Yeah, for no reason. I just came in. I don't even fucking know you. For all I know, you fucking like eight kids on the fucking weekends or diddled kids. It just didn't get caught for that. Just because you didn't get caught for that didn't mean that you did it. Didn't do it,

you know what I'm saying. So like I'm just supposed to respect some other fucker for no fucking reason and sign there bullshit and think like them. It gets real fucking weird and mind controlled in prison from the prisoners, I think. I think the biggest takeaway I had from that is I don't ever want to do another burpie O. It's like whenever it's like, now you just killed the end. Now you just killed it. Fucking burpiees bro.

I never once hit them again once I got out. Never once. I like, fuck no, I remember I'd be doing that ship with my boys. Like sometimes they'd get up early and do like shit before breakfast, and like there was one kid that I knew, like he had he had a really good thing going on, but like he did burpies and I hated it. And like every once in a while when i'd go, I'd be like, what the fuck did I fucking come here again? And it's like now I got to stay or I look like a fucking pitch. So I'd be

like I hated purpis by the time I left prison. Dude, they had some stupid rule like if you're thirty four, if you're thirty four and above, you don't have to do them, but if you're not, you have to do them with it. I'm like, what the who makes these fucking arbitrary cut off lines whatever? Somebody who was thirty four all across America or doing burpies and across the pitch. That's That's the only thing that's gone through my head. Yeah, yeah, right, they're paid for that. I've

seen people. I've seen people come out and actually get like YouTube channels going off of like jail workouts. Yeah, so funy. They need to do something they can't get employed, go fuck so funny. Yeah. I remember when I got out. I got out and like one of my boys I used to like hardcore WT the gym with him. Another guy from New York that I met, cool dude, and uh, I remember what he got

out before me, but he had much more time. And I remember when I got out, he was like sending me like you would do channels and he was like, yo, dude, He's like these motherfuckers are making money off of fucking jail workouts on social media. And I was like no, he was like yo, He's like, I don't even think this guy went to jail. And he's like sending me shit. He's like, look, he's like, I don't think he even went to jail. He's like sending

me like personal shit he's trying to find on him. I'm like, what the fuck, dude, I calm down. It's just fun. It was so funny, though. There was a whole fat for that during the lockdowns, right and they called it bodyweight exercises. That's right, that's right. They did so you couldn't find any any of the weight stuff. But to save your life because everything was already bought out to do the body weight. Yeah, those good times. Luckily I had my stuff, but yeah,

it was Uh. I hated that. That's what that was the downfall of the store. By the way, it is two years after that, which is like the War of Pitraition. I finally I was like, here's the keys. Oh yeah, but it's all good because we're probably gonna start up one here Yuma, closer to home. I actually got us out of California because of our first wellness check with our daughter and like, oh, you know what time it is, don't you? I go, yeah, you

know what time it isn't because you're not doing that, motherfucker. So I didn't wanted my daughter to be constantly harassed or us to be harassed or pressured into getting those things we can't talk about. Oh my god. Really. Oh. I moved us three hours away and I just went back and forth

to the store. After that. My family's oh well that was twenty sixteen, and it was just like, well, you know what, it is and go beat red when I told me wasn't going to do it, like, uh yeah, chances are they killed my two month old other with those, you're not touching my daughter with them. So that was that. And after that I just started looking and I was like, well, the closest place on the other side of any border would be Yuma. So that's what

we did, and I just made the commute. Had to pay way more in labor because I wasn't just right around the corner anymore. So I had to you know, trust it to employees and stuff like that. So it was it's worth it. She's doing very well and she never had to have one of those, so good. Nice, yeah, nice, very great. Something I did want to ask you now, like with your book, are you kind of like going into like things that he'd like may be covered

and maybe going into them deeper. I didn't get to look at the bookyet. You just sent it to me lastnight. There's no way. I'll give you a quick scenario of the chapters and just so he does pop up a lot, but not so much that it's saturated, like it's still my book. I mean a lot of it's my research. But if there's something like that he said that I really resonated with, and it was one of his

things. I'll let him speak for himself in the book. And uh so there's a lot of this sort of transcribed like the Darkness in your Deduction. There's one called darkness and that's kind of like the set the setup for his Mystery Babylon series. But then I go right into Edmund Ronine, who wrote

the book The Master's Carpet or Maha Bone. And Edmund Romaine was like a very well respected, very highly regarded freemason who was apparently finding lost information and trying to like give the structure back into freemasonry, and then he stumbled up across some information that he didn't like too much and he kind of became one of the worst enemies. And whether that was contrived or not, I don't know. But Edmund Renine kind of stands out a saying like this is the

cult of ball over and over and over again. You know you're gonna be You're gonna be tied to the cable toe of Satan if you, uh, if you when you enter these by your own free will in accord, you've

you've surrendered yourself to the order. It's it's very he he doesn't mince any words when he talks about it. So I go into that a lot, and then I go into the Ugraic text for the Cult of ball One one chapter called us a spider does not stick to its own web, talking about how, like they meant, they master and manipulate everything, but they don't get caught up with the real bults of their own bullshit, right uh Bablon and the mystery schools, morals and mysteries, a little bit of a a

little bit of a Albert Pike in that. And then I go through some of the Masonic initiation, like the first the first entered a prince of this one, and then some of the Widow's Son, which is the amount of Masonic account of Hiram a biff going into Egypt, a little bit the oral and written Kabbala, and then I start talking about Isaac Luria said, this is where it really starts to kick off, is like the lorin Kabbala Jacob

Frank And then we start talking about Ignatius, Ignacius of Loyola, the Knights, Templars, Hospitaller, and the Holy See in the Child's a very interesting connection there because after Napoleon pretty much beat the piss out of them, they took a huge I don't even think it was a low and I think it was just given to them by the Rothschilds. Like in today's money, it

was like ridiculously phenomenal modes. And some might see that as being the Rothschilds own them, but I think it's Rothschild's were servants to Rome, and whatever their bloodline was back in Rome, I think still prevails that you can see old paintings of them with what looks like the star of Saint Sylvester THESS across the Saint Sylvester or the eight point is a cross of the Knights of Malta

one or the other that they're wearing. So that's either given to you as naokolad for your service to Rome, or it's indicating that you're part of an order. So if you if you're wearing that, you're not you're not a You're you're a servant to them. You're a protector of that order, right, So call yourself a Jewishionist or a Francist if you want. But I think Rome is still by proxy running the show. This is an interesting it's

an interesting symbol looking at it now, mm hmm. And then I go into the Dome of the Rock, the Stone of Foundation, the Kaba, and the black Stone of Mecca and get into some of the Saturn stuff there. Oh, they can't just square Saturn. Sam Walton even pops up his little walmarts. Oh wow, yeah, ai parasites, demons or same same. So there's all there's all kinds of stuff that's covered here, and then you know, a whole lot of jumping off points for the next book to

get into greater detail. And then we're gonna get into eugenics in the next one. And oh nice eugenics. I guess that comes straight out of like the Kabbala as well, and because delirious, I think eugenics is a deeply underlying thing amongst a lot of cults too. Absolutely, And then you have like dormatism was just let's let's let's legitimize the Kabbala. Let's let's you know,

these people are dragging us down because they're primitive. Yeah, I think I think you like killed the whole island worth full of people that were quote

unquote bringing the mankind down he was like genocidal maniac. And then Thomas Huxley was the guy who basically was the They called it the bulldog of the Arminism because he was the one who was a better orator and was able to, like, you know, stand on stage and have their little Jesuit theater performance where they pretend like they're having a conversation naturally and convince a crowd of a

bunch of lead idiots. And it was all about destroying Christianity and destroying whatever you want to think about that, but destroying anything that And again I have to always measure this with the Roman Catholic Church was fucking evil. They were despotic, and they were ruining people's lives constantly. So you could understand why there be animosity to that. But is that the same as Christianity? Probably

not, No, not at all, at least not these days. But then you go back and you look at yourself, well, who are the Christian pioneers, who are the Lutherans, who are the Protestants? It's like, oh, wow, Rosicrucians. Huh he stamped up with the Rosicrucian symbol, did he? Yes? See, that was something we even came across. I mean, we might even see more of it moving forward with another person were going to cover. But like the stuff that me and her have

touched on. With Rosicrucianism, you get Lutherans, and it was a Protestant Calvinists, yes, Calvinists, yes, Calvinists. Yeah. And the weird thing is it's like like one was like supposedly not like cool with it,

but yet you had people who were into Rosicrucian shit friends with both. So I don't know, like which gets really weird is In that seventeen ninety five book I'm telling You, I'm telling you about the Proofs of the Conspiracy by John Robison, he outlines how so supposedly the Free Masonic Order is an enemy

of the of the Jesuits. But when they got you know, disbanded, if you will, and then reinstated later in eighteen fourteen, they found their way into the Free Masonic lodges as and they used them as a shield, right alongside Protestants who went in there because they were fleeing the fucking Jesuits.

So what the hell is going on with these? Like everybody was little enemies would murder each other smash your babies head on a rock, you know the pointiard all these things that they say in their Jesuit oath, and yet they're hanging out together in the Masonic logist because something else was going on there. And after the seventeen eighties it was called Frankism, that's what was going on there, and it was galvanizing all that stuff. It's very strange, very

strange stuff. Yeah, there's something up with Like, I just feel like there's a lot of religions that really do tie back to you were occultism in the sense of secret society is it's just very weird. And for me to say, like Laryn Kabala and the Francis like, that's what I was going to ask you. More like revival of ship that was going on Babylon Swumer, you know, like the priest Kings, the priest Craft, all that stuff. It's just hey, let's just let's just it was like, hey,

I just outlined the game plan. Let's go, let's go score a touchdown, you know something like that. It was just they had they were organized at that point. And you said that Lowian Cabala too, right, just now, yeah, Isaac Gloria, Yeah, it was funny even you know, it could have been something that Lucks brought up that was like the one unfortunate thing. Sometimes with covering something with like somebody else, you may

not really absorb everything they are covering because you didn't cover it. You know, you didn't look it up yourself. So maybe lux might have mentioned something about it, and I just don't remember. But when we were even covered the frankests, I mean, like I knew that he had his own kind of version of Kabbala that he was using, because I even think it's cramming. I guess take it for who it came from. But even Blovotsky even

said that that version of Kabbala was the most corrupted. She said it was the most corrupted version you could be using. So like I never I took that quote that she talks about it. Yeah, right, so it's like, yo, even if she's saying that, you might have to like really question, you know, but then again, you know she's another ocultist. You never know. But like I did find that interesting, But like I never really knew the name of the style of Kabbala that he was using.

I'm sure, I mean, I don't know how maybe I don't remember from the Francas, and I heard somebody else recently say it last week and now you today, and I've never heard it until recently. So what's funny about the Luring kabbala quote unquote, is that it was just a collection of Isaac Luria's papers that his followers like organized and it later became known as the Lurian

Kabbalah. We were in there about the you know, the breaking of the vessels and the husks and the profane and all this other crap, and you know, having the Chakaina kind of wilding and the crap with us and all this other stuff. So having to wed that out and get getting rid of everything, kind of basically crushing everything and sending all energy back to source and the big redemption through sin, if you will. But here's another interesting thing

of the other book that I was talking about, transhumanism. Actually, David Livingstone is going to be on Friday with me. It's Crowley was born to a wealthy family which belonged to the Plymouth Brethren, six ers of the Moravian Brethren of Count Zinzendorff. After reading Arthur Edward Wade's book Black Magic and the past end of packs, I think it says, which hinted to the existence of a secret group of initiates who dispensed truth and wisdom to the worthy.

A young Alisair Crowley wrote Wait and was directed to read Eckertausen's book. Crowley's search for the for the secret Wisdom eventually led him to become a neophyte in the Golden Dawn. So this, this is how it goes from the Brethren that we know are Sabotine Francis straight straight into the Golden Dawn. Like he's being led into the Golden Dawn with with Purpor, which purported to be the visible and earthly outer order of the Great White Brotherhood. So that's that's pretty

interesting. And apparently Crowley also was convinced that he was the readincarnation of a Leifis Levi, Yeah, who died the same day or the same year he was born. Always makes me think of Willcox thinking he's a reincarnation of fuck some guy that he always claims to be reincarnation, Not David Wilcock, not that guy. Yeah. Yeah, he's like a conspiracy dude. Yeah yeah, he claims that he's like sock. I can't believe I forgot it out that it's not even funny, like you know, just burns sense and run

through the tall grass. It's I can't with that, dude, I can't joke. Oh man, yeah, did you? Uh? I know I had mentioned at the beginning when it comes to like you would probably know more than me with Bill Cooper. But like, isn't there actually a lot of things that he was talking about in that book that like has kind of like taken place or we're headed in those directions. Oh yeah, yeah, there's

a lot that you know. I have another shirt that I made, not this one, but I wore when I was on with Michael Adams, so I got to I got to be on like his his main stage, like through through one of these things. But it says Bill Cooper was right on it. And the reason why I made that shirt is because I went, I got uh do you call it press passes media passes to go to the Las Vegas Reawakened Tour, which is like an a doctor nation camp for pro

Trump and you know, Christian Zionism. Before it even happened in October, they were already sending the stage for that shit, and you know, working everybody through the merchants stands on the way out the door too. Of course, each time there was a new speaker by the book, by the book. Uh but what was I talking about? Oh yeah, so I saw a bunch of people walk around with these shirts. I said, Alex Jones was right on it. I'm like, Alex Jones stoles steals everything thing from

all other people. I'm like, he doesn't right about anything or his people. His handlers tell him what to say exactly, exactly exactly. I'm glad you said that. Yeah, why what everybody says? Alex Jones on my show always like yeah, okay, Yeah, it's like I have to worry about like what they're gonna say. And it's like, you know, do I laugh at this or do I just like sitting here like oh okay, brilliant man. Yeah, that brilliant man is definitely not just an actor.

Yeah, you know what, you know what is listen. One of the even to get on him, but like even one of the funniest things I think is is like yo, at one point he was even denying that Bohemian Grove was up to anything, and I was like, motherfucker, it was technically you who showed us what was going on, and now you're denying that they do anything or they have any of importance. Make up your mind,

man. Yeah, back when it was okay to talk about Zionism, apparently in a different era, in a different decade, he was all about screaming out of it. And now he's like no, no, no, no, no no no, he's talking to other people. Impression. Yeah, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like a really entertaining Mark Levine. Yeah, if they're like to and he takes off the glasses that

guys thoughts fucking spas it out. I mean you would be you would be burned in with a lot of pressure if you knew what was making the frogs gay. Oh ye, I'm sorry. Right, so let's let's get back to I guess that's not the real thing, but that's what it does with truth, right. It's like atrozine doesn't just do that the frogs adene Atrezine messes people up. And plus you're getting shot with things that have, you know, maybe different sexes of dead babies in it being injected to you,

confusing your your your biological makeup. So he's making something that's true into something ridiculous and clowny so that people don't look at it anymo. And I think that's how he washes truth, and that's how he ruins truth, is that when it comes from the crazy man, it's no longer valid to anybody. That's exactly what's going on through a lot. I'm glad you saw it that way. I'm not even gonna go into it anymore. But I think what

you're seeing right there is being done by a little of important people. It's keeping people totally ignorant to ship that's really fucking deep and important. That's just my opinion. Yes, all right, So back to back to Bill Cooper some of the things, Yeah that was made. They made the shirt. You made that shirt, that's right. Yeah, I totally got yeah, yeah, yeah, the Bill Coopers was uh was right shirt. So I just it was funny that I had happened to be on Uh. So there's

an Infloor's connection with with Mike Adams. Mike Adams is decent to me. He's nice guy to me. Right, So I was on the thing and I had a chance to be sitting back. I was actually made it on Info Wars myself too, due to somebody else's show. I was on that twice twice, not with him, but liked to other people on his whatever they told me was gonna be on Info Wars. I was like, yeah, it's and because he has that connection, I just thought it was great,

like you know, payback. Not only did I get to wear that shirt, but I got to talk the deserving amount of ship about uh Stu Peters and his little contrived interview with brother Nathaniel, where you know, Zionism is a nothing burger and so are the tunnels and all this other shit. This white watch that they were doing. I'm like, yeah, really, so let's talk about that for a second. Yo. That shit in New York they cover that up with like in a day, Yeah, of course.

I think it was like the next day, weren't they there with some ent trucks and stuff felling it in. Well. I think the guy who owned the other building was the one who called them in the first place, because his foundation was getting like weak and he was hearing them doing some kind of weird chanting and the walls. He's like, the fuck is this? And they said, well, it was only fifty fifty yards long. I'm

like yeah, but what other tunnels did it connect you? Asshole? You know, it's like doesn't matter what that tunnel was, it's like, what other things did it connect you? So there's so many tunnels that were just made just for the infrastructure around that to work. How do you know they didn't tap into one of those or something. You have no idea what that

connects to, You're right, I mean that could go to anything. And he was saying that like this brother Nathaniel was saying, I don't I don't care if they're what they were pulling out of their whis just for it's just a ritual bathouse. But you have to get down to the groundwater. And if you just have a little bit of groundwater, you can fill the rest

with tap water, but you have to have that ritual groundwater. So even when they're even when they're doing something that's sacred, they're still faking it and they're still they're still giving you the cheap copy of it, even to themselves, because it's all, yeah, just put some tap water in there, now they get the ground But that was his excuse, that's what it was. But it was filthy in there, Like, how's that a sacred place?

For a bath house, right, It's like, so he's like, I don't care what they pull out of there, So you don't care if they pull out of blade matchrees. You don't care if they pull out, but that our seats. Like so if they're throwing rotting baby parts over their shoulder when they were feeling this, that no big deal, right because rich bathouse? Come on, man looking weird. That was some weird ship and now you're canceled. I'm not allowed on. This is why nobody lets me

go. You're flying. It's just hilarious. Lisa, how are you? I'm good. I want to ask you, so, what made you pick Bill Cooper for the book? What do you mean, hink? Because there's so many, so much stuff has been circulating lately that has been originated from him, because I've listened to enough of his work to know when people are taking something and it's all brand new when it's recycled forty years later, thirty years later, twenty years later. By he hat like stupeters, like Alex

Jones who was stealing from him when he was still alive. And I'm pretty sure his buddies. In Austin's version of Silicon Valley Are the is the reason why Bill Cooper's website went down, because when he was getting his cyber attack back in the day, he said, this is all coming from Austin, Texas. So, you know, just because Bill himself, it might be time for someone else to remind people what a scoundrel he is. So you

know, that's the reason why I wanted. I wanted this generation to at least know his name and know what he was about, so that they are curious enough to look for his radio shows and stuff like that, because it's people don't usually pick up books, but they'll listen to something while they're doing

other stuff, you know. So I transcribed a bunch of his stuff in here as well as the majority of It's like I said something that I put together, but I just if it worked with what I was going to talk about, then I would let Bills speak on his behalf on certain topics too, and then I would it'd be like a jumping off point for me to

continue on the conversation. And there you go. So you get to introduce the real guy, and then if you actually see like the level of character of him versus what we're being given now, it's like people set your standards higher, you know, don't go to the sleepy ass clown in the room or the angry guy who wants everybody to get into a revolution like do and divide the country and have everybody like if you're that anti jew on your show,

obviously, if you're still on and not canceled, it's because they want people in the comments sections to reveal their thoughts so that they can they can threat assess them. It's a yes, a lot of that is analysis, I think. So it's like, I don't know, how about you just regios standards hire. This guy was a real legitimate person. He didn't make anything, barely off of what he was doing, barely sustained life. And you guys have all these guys in these huge, rich studios, and you

think that that's natural. We tell the truth, don't. You don't get very far? What do you tell the truth? You know? What's interesting too, Like you know you did have I mean, I understand a lot of his stuff was still circulated, but like I do, this is my opinion. There's a difference between somebody sitting in a chair behind a microphone and somebody's willing to go to a place that's going to be surrounded by people in person. If you're a real fucking shady piece of shit, you might be

a little a little iffy about doing that. Yeah, you know, it's funny you say that, because a lot of times Alex Jones has booked for a lot of these things he never shows. Ever. Sometimes I'll they'll say he lived like via some kind of virtual like a video like what we're doing right now. But that's even rare. Usually, like somebody like that goof Troop. What is his name? The guy with the weird hair. Forgot his name? Oh, the one Troyer I forgot his first name. Verne

Troyer is the midget guy from from uh from Austin Powers. This guy's some other Troyer. I forgot his name. But uh yeah, so he's on Info Wars as well, so he usually he shows up instead of Alex.

But yeah, you're right, Like you had you had uh Bill Cooper going to Wimbledon Stadium back into like I think it was ninety three or something like that was just before it was just before the the Waco thing happened, because there was Wembley Wembley Stadium, sorry, and it was it was some people had approached him and asked them to help them because they said they're after our children, and he just took their stuff. He's like, I don't know

what you want to do. I'm from America. He was in England, obviously, and when he later opened up his briefcase, I was looking at it and seeing the aftermath of what happened to Awake. It was people, it was people from the branch Ofavidians that were trying to get him to help them. Oh wow, yeah, and he's like I have to. He's

like, I have to live with that burden. So a lot of his videos were I'm sure a lot of his broadcasts were about, you know, really sticking it to people for doing what they did to the to the Davidians. M yeah, wow, pretty pretty uh heavy stuff, Bren Davidians just pop up. I don't know when I love it. Uh. I think if if this is okay, maybe we'll just wrap it up here. Almost an hour and a half, twenty two minutes in. I had a really great talk man. I would love to have you back on again. Sure,

I'll have you wont in the future. Yeah, let everybody know again where they can find your stuff. Again for the listeners. As usual, the links will be in the show notes, but let the people listening know where they can find the stuff. In the private chat. I also put it up so you can see. It's the simper se m p e R fry f r y LC dot com. And then you can go there. There's a podcast tab. You can just click that if you want to see the stuff, and then the book is there and all that stuff you feel

like hot sauce, theree you go. Also, the Rumble channel is just called ball Busters, but I do put the little thing between the two ways because it's but all busters apparently according to the people who speak Hebrew. I actually made sure I learned exactly how it's said, because people are like, what is bail busters because that's not obviously not how it's pronounced, right, because but that doesn't make any sense, but it does ball Busters. It's

medically a joke. And I'm from fucking New York, so haha. It was like, and I had to do the I had to do the Ghostbusters sort of legal, right, I had to do that. So now when I even first saw it, they quote me off. God, I'm like, oh wait, I think that's bus. They kind of playing off that I have a little little paragraph of the book. Ron'm like, so this is how it's pronounced. Nice, it's anything else, any other links or

anything. The Rumble channel is, uh, you know, rumble dot com for it's last c Ford's Last Ball Dusters or you just click it, you know, and I'm on Twitter at all. Crap. It doesn't matter if you guys, If you find one thing and you find the description of any of my videos, it tells you, well, I'll have all your links, and like, yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah, but

I'll include all those. I'll include your Rumble, the the Twitter and whatever else you want to send me. Some reason, I didn't get anything in the private chat, so afterwards, just whatever where we're dming or wherever you want to email it, however you want to get it to me, just send me whatever links you want me to use. And I got you all right, And uh, Lisa, thank you very much for jumping on. I appreciate it. Yes, yeah, meeting you always good to have me

to you too, And I'm always looking for guests. So you guys, I don't know what you do, but if you just want to come on. I mean, I you've had you on, Nick, you want to come on? Yeah, we can probably come on and cover a topic that

we've actually covered. Fun Yeah, we save all our notes still to use, and if you guys are the ones that are presenting the topic, it gives me a chance to just kind of like ask the questions I have instead of having to perfect It's it's different when three people are trying to contribute, because it's like that anyways, you know, but it's it's better when you can just be like, oh, that's awesome, but what about that? You know, it's cool. It's a dare one. I'm still working my

way through. But that was really good. I was really enjoying that. Yeah. Yeah, that went a lot better than I expected. And you know, a lot of it was due to this, you know, stuff that Lisa covered. I wasn't expecting any of that. I didn't even know that about you know, Sid Barrett's father prior to like me even being just in covering the topic. So I was like, oh, this makes it

even just more interesting now. So funny that he'd be like, you know, into mycology or guy is a fun guess, right, isn't that weird synchronous all off, and they left it all off as obituary, so that is the weirdest part. It's like, yeah, no, the matrix is telling too much. We gotta gotta clip that part out, you know. It's all right, Thank you, all right, yes, yes, so uh yeah until uh yeah, thank you for coming on again, man again,

Beyond Beyond Babylon priest Craft. He's holding it up, ball busters check it out. The link for that will be in the bottom for sure. And again, thank you will for coming on. And that's the end of this one and until the next one, everybody be well later