DKODE Nation: First-hand Satanic Ritual Abuse and Cult Initiation

Norris. All right, so we're gonna do a three two one on this because lately Rumble has been clipping the front end of my videos for no reason. It just I don't know why the reason, it's just sometimes it starts about a few seconds after I've started talking. But let's get going here. I'm very pleased right now and very fortunate to welcome Decode. That's his name on Instagram, and also you'll find him on Rumble. His name is Greg Romero. And I'm gonna read to you what he sent me, and then

we're gonna go from there. So where it says, it says here to give you a brief summary of who I am. I was born and raised in a small town called Espanola, New Mexico. Espanola is translated to Little Spain, and is where my great great great et Cetera and grandfather her Nann excuse me, Cortes settled this town and seeded my bloodline here. Our bloodline has has had significant influence on that region of America and was deeply entangled with

the Roman Catholic Church and the occult. My dad's side of the family descends from the livitical priestcraft and my mom's side descends from an ancient magical order. My family has been commissioned by the government several times to specific contracts at the highest clearance levels. Those things I have to be careful discussing. But I was raised witnessing things of high strangeness. I like that term. I personally was initiated into the occult when I was six years old and rejected God and

religion. Factions within my family were involved with organized crime, including me. When I was a young, teenager and adult, I experienced I experienced sa tanic ritual abuse, animal sacrifice, summoning rituals, et cetera, and ultimately overdosed in two thousand and five and experienced cardiac erect arrest for the second time in my life. Excuse me one second. This experience changed me in ways I cannot describe. It essentially brought on my awakening, and I've been searching

for the truth since then. I believe I found it, and so I'm just writing the frequency to see where it takes me. That's where you're meeting me now, Greg. Welcome to the show Man. Thank you, Thank you for having me. I'm happy to be here, grateful, So I

mean, that's a that's quite a story. Now. When we were talking on Instagram, you had mentioned a conquistador lineage as well, right, Yes, what I think of when I when I hear that and when I you know, hear the roots in Spain, and I'm assuming right that there could also be a Jesuit influence in this, if not a Sephardic type of lineage as well, where they were coming over here or becoming conversos and then becoming conquista doors, which a lot of people don't realize that a lot of the

conquista doors were Converso Jews, and that's so they would be taking the Kabbala

and the Sufi mystic mysticism and all that with them. That's right, That's right, all right, So would you care to describe that to us and where that Yeah, No, it's I'm you know, I'm and this is why I'm really this is why I'm really really excited to have a conversation with you specifically because you know, I really respect the knowledge that you have of history behind the narrative, and you know, being in the environment that I grew up in, it was a very dual, dualistic type of view.

On the world and the way that they constructed it. And so the fact that you know that history some of those things that like has taken me and my uncle years of researching the genealogy of ancestry and how those you know coincide. I was very knowledge from a very young age of who I really was, except that last part. You know, this last part finding out about us being connected to as conquistadors, the Sephardic Jews specifically, that's significant in

what we're seeing going on in the world today. So yeah, and a lot of people don't catch that, and it's really quite a shame because when you look back at all the Spanish people that look what they did to the Native Americans, and it's like, well, it's kind of the same group of people doing it to every indigenous people everywhere. And they're all riddled into

the Roman Catholic Church. And we've discussed before how you know, Jacob Frank he had himself baptized and twenty six thousand of his followers got into the Roman Catholic chur and the Christian Brethrens. His brother in law started the Asiatic Brethren, which was basically an Illuminati branch. I mean it was. It was

carrying on the same exact thing and working with that a mysop. So, I mean, this is the same route to just everything, and it seems like and what we're looking at when it comes to Zionism, that's Frankism by

a different name. And that's what you know, where the bankers are, you know, basically destroying Gaza right now, because that's part of the that's part of their plan to bring about what they want right right exactly, No, exactly, And you know, my search into finding out the truth of who I am as far as my identity, uh, you know, I you know, I come from a place where I had an identity crisis since I was born, you know, Like I mentioned in some of our previous

back and forth on Instagram also that my mom, or on my dad's side, is more of the Spaniard and my mom is more Native American, you know, so I'm a mix of the two. Right. So I have these two different stories that were told by two different groups of people, you

know, one group being the Spaniards side of my family. And I was taught and raised that it was a noble thing, that they were noble things that they were doing, and they would parade in the streets and they would have these rituals in the streets, and I never it was really kind of weird because they would go into procession, and you know, ever since I was a young age, I can I just kind of saw things of like I would just ask a lot of questions as to like why are they doing

this ritual or why why are they doing this procession around the city. Why do they do it seven times? You know, they stop and they'll do a little bit of a ritualistic dance and then they'll you know, shout out some kind of a name, usually the name of the Cuquista word that came

through and conquered that land. So where I come from, it was really really culture rich in hanging on to how important it was that the Spaniards specifically came up through the Sea of Cortez all throughout that area to conquer the Aztecs and all those people and really proclaim, you know, a large portion of what is now North America then as the Empire of Spain. Right, And so there's a whole you know, there's a whole thing behind it with that

empirical thinking of you know, being a special group of people. If does that make sense? Yeah, it does. And you know, I wanted to touch on this real quick, is that when you mentioned the seven that's how many times they circle the kaba in Mecca too. And that's allegedly to represent the seven rings of Saturn. That's not what they say. They say that's something different now. But back when that kaba was first created, it was a cube. I mean it still is a black cube, and that's

the symbol of Saturn too. And here's the thing is, I think a lot of people, most people maybe when they reflect back on their life, they think mom and dad. I mean like when you imprint when you're born, right, and if you never know any other thing, anything that you're

experiencing would be cold, would be turned into what's normal. Yeah. And so when you have a different experience, when you know that trust is broken, when you're you know, witnessing things, if you never had that that tether or that foundation in the line of care and compassion and love, how does that, you know, alter your course in life too? I mean

what to what you would then carry on yourself? Because if it's basically they don't they don't spare their children the same programming In fact, it's even more so because they want you to carry this on and the best way to do that is to indoctrinate and mind program you to do so, right, right, And if I could just comment, well said, if I can comment on the tail end there when you say indoctrination, like, I don't really

I don't, I really don't think that people truly understand what that word means. You know, they're indoctrinated, right, It's it's like you said, it's impressed upon them since they were since they just came out of the womb, to perceive a distorted reality because you know, in the realm, you

know. And I'm sure we'll get into this a little bit later. But in my growing up in this duality of occult and religion, okay, which they're technically both the same thing, I'm just gonna say that, Okay, my opinion now is there is really nothing else but the occult, you know, But that's just that's a different conversation for maybe for a different day.

Yeah, you don't have that either. We're right, right, so, but but so therefore, therefore, since we are all technically influenced by the occult, there's no getting away from it a truth has been hidden from us for ever. Then it would be easy then to capture you at a young age and indoctrinate you know you know, and keep you and keep you believing

a certain narrative when it may actually not be the truth. You know, because we when when I was learning in my recovery, where I was going with this is in my recovery, one of the things that helped me really kind of break free from especially the PTSD because of that abuse was the fact

that what I perceive is my reality. Because by the time I got to be age twenty one, I had such a distorted perception that my reality was horrific, right, And because my reality was horrific, I couldn't come to terms with the things that I had witnessed done and you know, passed on

that I didn't know how to cope with myself or the world. But but when I realized that I had the choice to change my perception and to take control of who I am, you know, what I want and where I'm going, and realize that there is literally nothing that can make me think, feel, or act in any given way but myself. When I came to that realization, That's when I believe was my first uh, you know, my first awakening to understand, you know what, I'm in control of my

reality. And I think that if more people were to understand that, then I think that we can actually quite possibly awaken from our awakening. Like you know, I heard you say in another podcast. I'm not sure if that's making sense, but no, it is. It does. It does absolutely. And that's like that manifest thing too, because self doubt, all those

things that are put it. You put your own limitations on, but you feel like it's coming from the outside because the impression that's being given all around you is that there's dramatic limitations on you and what you could accomplish. So it's in spiritually, mentally, physically, business wise, all those things. It's like the impression that you're given is that it's only for the select and

you're not the You're not in the game, you know, right. But what I was what I was also looking at, is I mean just just really relationships everyone I've known that, and I've have friends that I've gone through satanic ritual abuse and it's impossible for them and has been, and I mean they've gone through their attempts at recovery and things like that, but it's impossible for them to have like a lasting relationship with anybody because just even this so

much like the tenderness is almost sometimes foreign to them, and it's like it challenges them to have to like perceive something that they're not used to as well. And then then they could also become the aggressor at times too. I've noticed, not all the time, but they might be pushing people away or

something like that too. Well, it's very sorry to me to interrupt you, but always yeah, yeah, please, so yeah, I mean again, you know again, I'm impressed with your knowledge of this because in my experience through the Satanic ritual abuse that I went through, it's called like soul fracturing. So they fracture your soul from a very young age and they break

you like your identity is broken. They want you to disassociate with your identity and it creates like for me, it created a split in you know.

You know, I don't know how explicit I'm going to get here, but you know what I had to go through in my ritual it was embarrassing on every fiber of my being, Like it broke me in a way that that was the impression, you know, like they somehow knew that in my spiritual or whatever, you know, growth path, that they knew at what, at what moment to disrupt the alchemic vibrations in my body two not come together properly, you know that I would always feel like lost and broken apart,

and for me when I was abused so early, because you know, being abused so early, and the abuse actually started before I was six. The initiation was actually when I was six, but you know, I started being abused when I was like, you know, four or five ish, and leading up to it, it was a path. It was a series of

I can just say, I don't know all I can think about. It's like a shattering, you know, your identity completely shattered, and I didn't know who I was, and so then I get imprinted upon to believe that I was just meant to be a living sacrifice. You know, I don't know, I don't know if I can if that's kind of you know, going too far. I'm just I'm expressing, I know, right, and because I mean they technically are doing that by a comment during your life,

they are you are the rituals the living sacrifice. And then it's like who better than your parents who know you the best to you know, assess you and profile you and personality profile you, to know what your weaknesses are so that they can push those buttons. Well, you know, and I do want to clarify one thing, you know. I do want to clarify one thing is you know my parents, you know, they they were a place

of safety for me and protection. Okay, so it wasn't the parents, Yeah, no, no, no, no, So yeah, I want so it wasn't my parents that were doing this. No, this was extended family. And you know, I have to be I have to be careful here because you know, this is this is territory where you know, it can make things in my life uncomfortable. Right, but you know his extended family. Actually, my I will say this because this is public knowledge.

My dad was the first one who broke away from the Catholic order. So my father, every male and my priests has been we were talking about you know, we're talking about an email about the the king priests, right, and that so like my father and that lion descends from king priests, and so every patriarch in my family, including my dad was born into like I heard you talk about in some of your previous episodes, being more born into these things. And he was born into the priest craft. So he was

actually supposed to be a priest. But when he was sixteen, he had a spiritual awakening and he broke away from the church. Do you think it was he Oh yeah, no, he definitely was. I mean, I mean, I'm not going to disclose anything that he's gone through, right no, but I mean this is coming from the Roman Catholic. This is coming

from the Roman Catholic Church. Yes, right, That's what I wanted to make sure that I was picking up on that properly, that the Roman Catholic And so we're grooming him and right, So so to give you to give you that backstory a little bit. So when my dad, so he was the first one to break away, and when he broke away, he was actually he was jumped. He was he was physically jumped by his parents.

So it was his mom and dad and his siblings at the time wherever there were at the time, and they literally jumped him and they beat him half to death. This is a true story. They beat him half to death and they literally left him on the side of the road for dead. It was my dad from his own family, what's that, from his own family,

from his own family, and he and he was found. He was found by this Pentecostal pastor that took him in and you know, fixed him up and give him a place to stay and essentially adopted him as a son, you know. And he was this. I mean, that's a different story for a differ day. I don't want to go too much in the weeds on these stories here, take too much of your time. But I'm just trying to provide context. Yah. Yeah, So my father met my

mother. They knew each other in high school. My mom was a teenager. They were both teenagers, and my mom had also broken away from the church, the Catholic church on her side and but on my mom's side is where the witchcraft, often the occultism really laid heavy. On my mom's side, my mom's grandmother, so my great grandmother was involved, heavily involved in the occult and witchcraft. And this is what I know of the story,

that's public knowledge, so I can share. This is what I know of the story, is that she was my mom's grandma was tied to a stove in her kitchen by three witches and burned alive in a sacrifice. And then after that the husband came out and witnessed what was going on, and he went mentally insane and went to an insane inside and it was taken away to an insane asylum the following day, where he was then murdered that same day in the asylum. So this is my mom's dad's mom and dad, and

so he was only ten. My grandfather, my grandfather was only ten when this happened. And it's not it's not documented on paper. It's just this

is just verbal you know, verbal family history here. But like with the I've done more research on my dad's side, but in the small amount I've done on my mom's side, it's been I've been a little slow going at it because I'm more fearful of it because you know, that's where I'm discovering involvement with the occult, and that's where you know, I'm discovering that even

like my birth, which you know it was a mistake. My mom, my mom and dad you know, could see me in a Yeah, they were teenagers having fun, and so the families they were my pregnancy into the family. My mom and dad became from two different sides of the family or different families, and from what I understand, they weren't the friendliess to each other, like there was some enmity between the two families. So my mom and my dad they got together, and my pregnancy caused some kind of a

big deal. My dad stepped away from the church, my mom stepped away from the church, and they kind of went off on their own. So we kind of isolated in this in this spot, and my mom and dad tried their best to really kind of keep me secure, but they were only teenagers, so they didn't have a lot. You know, we were we were basically homeless, you know, the first five years of my life,

and you know, we had to live off the land. You know, we took baths in the horse troughs and we washed our clothes with washports, you know, and this is like you know, eighties, early nineties, and you know, we lived very very simply. Well, my grandfather, he he lived a different life and in in a way, you know, he's still a lot I haven't you know, I got to say, you know, despite everything, I love him. I haven't talked to him.

In over twenty years, I've completely disassociated with my family and and uh, except for my mom and dad and one or two maybe you know, one or two trusted relatives that I stay connection with. Honestly, that's a lot for me to say, because you know, a lot of these a lot of these family members, you know, they follow me online and they you know, they they see the information that I'm coming out with and I think

they're a little confused as to why I'm doing it. But the reason why I'm doing it, to be completely honest with you, is because that family crest that I showed you right that simple you know, I'm learning that was essentially like a sigil, which is a magic ritual to kind of seal a certain belief system in our family bloodline. Does that make sense. Yeah, I'm gonna pull that up in a second here too. But yeah, and I noticed the two wolves on there. And this is what's interesting is that

the Loyola family has in there from Spain. Obviously, the according to some are Basque royalty, but they're Maranos. I mean that's what they are. And that was two wolves around a cauldron. Is there is their symbol, So it's the same color scheme as yours, and there's two wolves in it, just like I mean, that could be Roman too because of the wolf, you know, luber Collia type thing with the with the Romulus and Remus

story. But you just show this real quick and put this on the screen, so you see there's the two wolves there and Romero on the bottom. I'm not really sure if it was there supposed to be uh what they called man graef or what are they called that. I don't know what those are on the outside, but they look like oh on the side, yeah, yeah, that's what they called. And then there it's Fangrief. And then there's rosemary, the little green plants that you see along the in the gold

that's called rosemary, okay. And then the black and the red, I mean the black, red and yellow that color symbology I'm sure you're familiar with. Yep, Yeah, that's it. It's priestly uh priestly colors actually, yes, yes, absolutely negative of that, yes, yeah, just about everything too. Black and red is in all the occult and you see the gold bringing out at different times, but not always all together unless they're representing it as such, like when they're doing a crest or something. Yeah mm

hmm. Yeah, so yeah, thank you for showing that. That's amazing. But yeah, no, and then other symbology too is that if you you know, if you kind of look at it in a way, it kind of has that sephardic kind of jew look with the hanging hair and you know, kind of a hat, you know, the flatbill hat. You know, it kind of has a symbology to of of different types of profiles

that are in that in those specific orders. But what I came down to an assumption was is that or what I discovered is that that symbol was actually a sigil. It was a magic ritual sigil that was done by the conquistadors, right, those Converisors and Moranos, to establish this like secret code of

like of what their family bloodline would stand for. You know, like you said, the two wolves and the cauldron, like that's that's that's huge with symbolic meaning to the family because you know, with the things of high strangeness that I've witnessed, you know, like I've experienced real summoning with rituals where you know, entities are summoned, you know, and it's an experience I've

witnessed it first hand. Yeah, yeah, you know, it's it's really interesting because it is I mean, like I mentioned before, right, a cult is hidden, and you know in these in these cultural things, and again taking apart the word right, cultural, that first part of that word is cult. In these in these cultural areas, you know, you have all these you know, rituals that are done for the sake of culture. But you know there are there are a faction of people that really take those

seriously and and and their real experiences. I have a couple of questions about because you know, when you think old country, like even like in Italy, you think, okay, well, I'm sure folk magic was part of their lives, you know, for the peasantry and stuff like that. But when you describe what happened on your mother's side, that's a whole other thing. And it seems like whoever these witches were, they had people at the

asylum already for your yeah, waiting. So it's one of those things where they're already everywhere in the high places that they need to be in order to conceal and make sure that nothing leaks out. Basically they can remain hidden. So that's that's another scary thing, because I don't think if people understand how how these people blend into everything. Like you know, your priests could be also doing some horrible things. Your mayor could be doing horrible things. Your

police officer could be doing horrible things. The guy next door who is a school teacher could be doing horrible things. And they would look absolutely normal to you until it's time for them to switch. And when they do, there's no reasoning with them. There's deadness in their eyes and they'll do whatever. You know and to have were those three those three witches? Was any of

those your great grandmother, well daughter or no? So I know that from what I've been told is that my my great grandmother was involved within the witchcraft. Right now, the reason why I told you that on my dad's side I was in the priest craft and my mom's side was in the witchcraft. I definitely believe that there was some kind of an intermingling or a a co opetition, if you will, to push a certain narrative. And I forget the second part of your your question, Oh was it? I asked if

your mother was involved with the actual burning? Oh, I don't believe were they were? They punishing her perhaps rumor, the rumor that I the rumor that I've been told, and I haven't verified this, but this is just what I've been told, is that she was involved in these things, and it had been a generational, multi generational thing, and like going way back, and and that my great grandmother wanted to not do it, wanted to stop, and so in order for it to stop, like she herself would

have to be sacrificed. But that's what I was told, But it it really kind of doesn't make sense to me. What you know, what makes sense to me is I know that there was three witches for sure, and after this occurred, then my grand What the story is is that my grandfather that one of them witches came back and they took in my grandfather as a guardian, you know, because his parents were dead and in that in that area, in that time, you know, in that place, you know,

you have family names that are wiped out. Especially during that time, you know, you were dealing with land grants, you were dealing with fighting with the natives still in the area, You're dealing with all kinds of uh, you know, the Spanish Indian thing going on in that area. You know, all that stuff. And but when when his in his childhood, he was he was left alone. So in that area, family was everything. Well, they took him in and they settled in. They settled on

top of a Native American graveyard. Okay, So, and I'm sorry if I'm if I'm a little bit like you know, you're doing great, man. You know this is you know, like we talked about before the show, doing this memory recall, you know, in a way, in a way, I'm there. So forgive me if I'm a little nervous when telling this part. And that's fine, go ahead and say I'll hold. But I was gonna say for a second, yeah, okay, all right. So he so they settled on a they settled, he was given land.

He was given about eleven acres of land and his houses at the top of this hill leading down to the Rio Grande River. And on all three sides of him, we had these witches, these three witches. There was actually three female witches and one male witch. The male, the warlock, was killed in a crazy freak accident. It's another story for a different day, but he was killed. I witnessed that event happen. And there were three witches when I by the time I became aware of my situation, I realized

that they were living all around him, they circled him. And from my understanding, this is just an assumption, all right, just you know, the guy's still alive. So I'm just I'm just assuming, just knowing who my grandfather is, that he was having affairs with these women, m and and I think that that was going on since he was ten because when when I was born, like he he took special favor to me, like my family will tell you that. He said that I was the blessed, the

like the chosen one to carry the torch for some reason. He would tell me like these weird things when I was a kid. You know, I'm like to carry the torch torch for what you know, like that has a lucive, very type of kind of illumination. Yes, yes, the family heritage and legacy and all that stuff too, right right, Yeah, So he saw that and so I you know, I took to him and he held me close to him, so you know, through him, I mean

I was able to you know, I met these witches. You know, when he was introduced in reducing me into the craft, he showed me this upside down cross that had been carved on his chest. And if I'm being a little too intense, let me no, No, I think the more descriptions better, honestly. Yeah, So you know he had this like upsid down cross on his chest and he said that he had made some kind of a deal. I think he was coerced, you know what I mean. I think I don't think it was of his free choice. I mean,

he was ten for crying out loud. But you know they had mentioned he remember him telling me that as long as he stayed loyal to them, that that he would live live a long life and you know, never be without and have many children. Well the guy has, like you know, he's had five plus wives. He's had over you know, twenty five children that I know of. I mean, he's been you know, he's literally I've literally witnessed with my own eyes witnessed him being shot, stabbed, drugged by

a vehicle, dropped off a two story building. I mean, like, this guy, literally, to me, has been indestructible. When I was this is when I was a kid, Okay, so I'm like, you know, five six years old witnessing this guy like do like legit things of high strangeness, and I'm like, man, this guy's powerful. Wow, yeah, and where do you put that? You know, like what do you put it up here? Right? And he would always tell me, you know, he would get like he you know, he was so dualistic

in his uh in who is who? Kneho he was? You know, he would when he was sober, which was very rare, you know, he would he would come up and tell me. He would say, he's like, you know, Jesus loves you. Methough you say Jesus loves you hmm. But but then but then when he was drunk he would tell me, and when he was on drugs, and when he would tell me that Jesus love me. But don't let myself be deceived by not knowing who I

really am. He says, I know who I am. He would say, I know who I am, so don't give yourself any basically kind of yeah, anyway, sorry, I'm kind of going on a tangent there, But no, that's that's uh that they're not going on a tangent. Actually it's good. Uh So when you're talking about I'm assuming that there's some when you say Colton, you're talking about this witchcraft. I'm trying to think in my mind names of cartel related these days, but maybe not so much back

then. But like, is it Santa Moerte, Like what is I can't that that I can't honestly that I can't disclose that has to be hidden just I mean, just just for legit safety, okay, because you know, I mean it's one thing to it definitely is one thing to disclose and talk about this stuff because I mean it's kind of hit mainstream right now, but you know there's still like very real forces that run stuff, you know what

I mean. So yeah, and you also mentioned that they're into some organized crime and that you were involved in that, so I mean it sounds like they might be cartel. Yeah, it's it's basically linked. It's basically that. I mean, anything that you have, ah, well, what they see is like militia militia type you know sells. You know, they'll they'll refer to that as organized crime, you know, to them in their environment.

I mean, if you if your knowledge on organized crime or if you you know, if you watch shows about you know, the mafia or the mob, like, they'll tell you that you know, the communities. If you were to interview the communities, the communities would be like, oh, yeah, no, they did good things for the community, you know, but they also oppressed everybody. Yeah, what do you call it? Uh? What the hell is his name? I cannot think of his name?

Cuban or Columbia, pa Escobar. He was loved and uh, because he was throwing a bunch of money back at the community, bring weapon and stuff like that. But also father, my grandfather became this type of character. Wow, you know he would have he would have governors come and see him. It broke up a little bit. What do you say? You know? He would sometimes he would have public authorities come to him sometimes too. Oh, I mean he had friends in high places. Yeah, that's a

that's not me. He would be able to he would be able to go to jail, like I would see him break havoc on I mean just wreak havoc on the city and go to jail thinking, Okay, this is it. He's finally going to get locked up, and he's out the next day and find out he's you know, having lunch with you know, someone important.

Yeah that's multi layer too, because there was other people in high places could have more than one reason for doing that influenced not just so much pressure, but influence because they might be involved in the same type of thing, you know, and they're just taking care of their own right. And that

could be multi level too. It could be the crime level, it could be the cult level, it could be both, you know, right, yeah, you know, and that and that and that's the thing, you know, that's you know when people talk about you know, when people talk about you know, and when I talk you know, I'm talking from my experience of having like really deep religion and scripture as my reference for how I

use words. So like in talking about like the in talking about the indoctrination and people being deceived in you know, in that religion, there's like the great deception, right, they say that there's going to be a great deception,

that the enemy is going to deceive the entire world. Okay, Christianity too, right, Well, that deception, there's actually a deception of the deception, because wasn't there I think there was a couple of episodes you did where either you or the host you or the other guests you had on we're talking about awakening from the Awakening. Yeah, that was with Howdie McCaskey.

Yeah. Yeah, So I mean that kind of like using that and then using like that movie inception with Leonardo DiCaprio, like the dream within a dream. Yeah right, because so even this like putting too much emphasis on that being real is also part of keeping you in the system and keeping you in the in the lock of the cage, right right, right, yeah, right right, and in a computer system, like you have various components and

different you know. So yeah, So why I say that is like the occult is like the it's like the negative charge that causes that side that needs

the positive reaction to fire and keep the system going. Right. So that's why the occult stays hidden, is because the occult, when people find out the truth, the real truth behind the dream within the dream, then they'll be awakened from their awakening and then finally, so to speak, realize who they are and shrug off that that oppressiveness in a sense too, because they're not looking for they're not looking to follow anything anymore if they are confident and

independent and individuals again right right, So I mean if you understand that everything that you've put your trust and faith in have now shown you its true colors.

I mean you you don't there's no going back to that same system and then you know, being okay with it, and if if you realize that, and even just on the practical, like real life level, just the facade of what you believe because the media tells you and stuff like that, Like breaking away from that is one thing, but then even people who tell you the truth could be just trying to steer you in a slightly different direction

and get get your right back straight into hell. You know, Yeah, it's back in right, Yeah, you know it, and it brings you back into it brings you back into the feedback loop, you know. And you know, I'm not sure you know how how deep you want to, you know, take your conversation like that. But for me personally, when I came to the realization that everything that I have been taught, everything that I have been indoctrinated with, has been done so through a distorted lens,

then I'm open to look into what could be the real truth. And once I realized that, it was like something unlocked the keys of my oppressive, oppressive oppressiveness right now or depression that I was in personally, and has really set me free. I mean now, I mean despite all that, and you know, I can tell you stories all day long, but despite me going through all that, like, I've come out the other side, you know, I've come out the other side, and I'm able to live a

life that is free of fear, you know. And by that, I mean that fear, seeing it as an acronym is factoring all existing realities. I mean when you think about it, because like right now, for instance, my life's about to change in a big way and I'll just you know, I'll just be a little bit vulnerable with you right now. I think I kind of mentioned it that I own my own business. Yea, And I think you said you own a business. You own a hot sauce company

or something. Yeah, I think that's cool, by the way. But but anyways, but yeah, so I own this business. I've had it for seven years now. I kind of fell into it really long story short. You know, we were at the brink of a major expansion, you know, becoming regional authority for the area that we're delivering in and you know, all this constantly turn around COVID Yes, yes, my business, yes,

yeah, And I've been I've been trying. I've been trying for three years, almost four years now to you know, build it back up. But I mean, we got cut out from under the knees. And you know, when we're we're we're not gonna, we're not gonna go out of business, but we're looking at potential, you know, bankruptcy. Right. But and for me as a business owner, this is my first big like situation like this, you know, and it's painful, you know, but

it's also open and I want to see it as like a failure. And here's an example of like knowing the truth and who I am is why I'm saying this. It's because I know that my family and the outside world was going and friends and peer group and my employees, they're going to see it as I failed because I did. I failed them, right, I failed to provide an expectation that I said I was going to do, and you know, things happened outside of my control and and happened. Yeah, the

whole world shut down. It's not really something you can right therefore, right right, right, But you know, I gave it my all, and you know, for for the last several years, man, I've been struggling so hard with my identity because my identity was locked in this like linked back to my family crest of conquer at all costs and circling circling back to the conquista, the door thing. It was embedded in me since I was before I was born, in my bloodline to conquer at all costs, win at

all costs. Yeah, and no matter how it's done, you just win. And so I tried to do that in my life, and I've had so many failures and and I realized that I was chasing an identity that didn't belong to me. I was doing it because it's what I needed to do

to be accepted. So I'm changing that. And anyways, it could also be strategy too, because when you think conquer it all costs, the first thing that comes into my mind is like a bulldozer, like a brutal brute force, forcing something that's not ready to happen, and trying to make something happen unnaturally, which is kind of what magic is too, in a sense. It's forcing your will upon something. So you know, when you say, when I think at all costs, I think in the absence of empathy,

in the absence of for others. So when you do it like that, you're bound to have repercussions. But I don't think that's how you were

operating your business. I'm just saying that that mindset could be people to think in those ways that they can just do whatever they need to do to get by and screw everybody on the way, because that does if you're not one of the guys on the way up top who can pay for all the lawsuits and can pay for all the you know, you know, all the all the cushioning from his lawyers and all that, that's going to catch up with you if you start screwing everybody. You know, so you don't want to

do that. Plus, it's just the mortal baggage of that, you know, the the charmatic baggage if you believe in that of doing that and you know, once you like you have a family or something that like, I could you imagine if they did that to you type of thing, and it's uh so, yeah, doing right by others I think would be paramount win at all costs, with the exception of take care of your you know, those those who are taking care of you on the on the upper level of

that you know. Oh yeah, oh yeah, but that that's been the that's been the biggest lesson that I've learned. That's the biggest lesson that i've buy I've learned, honestly, and because you know you you've mentioned now this issue with empathy. That's really deep insight because oh man, I'll tell you right now if I were to show you my original records from when I got

when I was entered into this program. Okay, so stepping back a little bit and telling you, but when I entered into my recovery, Okay, it was two thousand and five, after that drug overdose I went in. Actually I had like probably about a two three year grace period where I was okay and then I really started to go insane with the PTSD. And when I entered into the program, they had mentioned that I was an interesting case because when they did the psychiatric evaluation on me, the person said, they

said, you know what's weird is he has no empathy. And I grew up with no empathy. I mean, I was not allowed and again, you know, kind of a strategy type thing. I don't know how this played out or why, but my parents when I was younger. They were they were gone a lot, so they you know, they traveled a lot. My dad was in the Pentecostal church and he traveled as a traveling minister. My mom did music and she was a music director for him. So

they traveled around doing that stuff. And I was at home with my family that was doing ac cult rituals and forcing me to watch animal sacrifices and so I remember like going through these situations and like watching like animals being skinned, live like still breathing. You know, Syria, like ye had the Assyrian Babylonians, they would do that to their enemies. They would skin and they would and they would I mean the incantations and the different things. I mean,

was it Mexic was it? Because I'm just curious, like, was it a cabalistic thing? Well, there was a different language that was spoken. Okay, you know, the incantations, the different language they were spoken. I don't feel comfortable saying what it is, but yeah, during those times, it was a it was an ancient language that was spoken that's you know, actually been it's been lost. Not a lot of people know how to speak it. I know, from a different continent from like from here

from here. Okay, yeah, we're talking. We're talking ancient. We're talking ancient ancient native languages, that's what I'm saying. So this could be like the like the Astecs with their with their the as sects of the Incas

with their they had a skinning ritual. They actually had a demon god who was the skin the god who wore flesh of others, of others on him, right, well, and and and then the Apache culture they call that, well, there's a there's a I can't remember the Apache name for it, but it interprets to this is gonna sound crazy, but the Bigfoot or you know that character, you know that cryptid character. Yea, So they actually have a ritual where they summon a type like you know, beast or

entity, you know. And yeah, so I mean that's that's a whole nother that's a whole nother rabbit hole. But but yeah, no, I participated in those types of rituals. Do that yourself too? Yeah? Yeah, and you know, and so because I went through that, it was so shocking to my system. I didn't have as a little kid, imagine if it was a puppy or something like that, Like, how would you go. You know, that was just yeah, and that was the thing

that I did. We did that to dogs, and you know, when I was initiated, it was you know, a puppy and it's very sick and twisted, man, you know, I mean it's uh, I really don't understand like that whole part of it. You know. I tried to go back and like, because I was going through my recovery, one of the things I did was and I'm going to keep referring to my recovery because it just kind of helps bring me to a oh please, yeah, levels

me out. When I was doing my recovery, they did this thing called e MDR, which is a newer kind of experimental type treatment where they put you in a dark room. You're completely in darkness and then they flash a white light across your eyes and it kind of puts you not a hypnosis kind of a state, but it kind of puts you in this in between and I would compare it to astral traveling. I'm not sure if you're familiar with that. Yeah, it kind of sounds like what they do with this with

the processed Church and scientology a little bit too. Like, I know your recovery. But I'm just it's the same techniques but used in an awful way out of the same ways that you could actually help people with through. So it's just depending on how the method that they use it with it right right, right? Well, yeah, with me, they took brain scans. They took actually brain scans on me, and they showed me and this.

And my dad was at this point he had had prisen up to be a director of a medical of a hospital, one of the main segments of the hospital. He became a director there and like clerical, right, he was still in the clergy articles. Yeah, yeah, he was ordained clergy and the chaplain of the church of the hospital or something like that. No, he ran well, he was chaplain and he but he also ran the uh he oversaw operations for the operating room in the emergency room. So he directed

like all he was. He made sure that all the doctors got everything that they needed to perform their surgeries successfully. That's cool. And yeah, and my mom she worked actually for the federal government. She worked stories there, ye, yes, that I cannot talk about, but she did have she did have top secret Q clearance with the government and she retired with them. I want to say, maybe four or five years ago. Can I ask

you this? You know, you know you said your mom and your dad are separate from this stuff, but given that background of your mother and still having the you know, the clerical or clergy side of your dad, was it completely separate? I mean, did you ever get pulled into mk type of experiments with the governor? Yes? No, yes, no, absolutely, And I would like to go into that if that's I mean, if

you're comfortable if the I derailed you from something else. You were saying, this is just my how I like you were apologize, and my brain works the same way. Like I know, I have a finite amount of time before I forget what I'm going to ask, so I just have to do it when I can. So yeah, no, sure, no, I can. Definitely. I'm willing to go any direction that you want to go with this. So oh and if we're getting too close to where it makes

me feel or I feel comfortable, then I'll tell you. So you were talking about the light and the and the recovery, so let's let's finish that off, and then we can't talk about anything that happened over the the yeah, yeah, yeah, so like with my so anyways, yeah, so with the recovery, I was going through em DR and it's this hypnosis type thing and and it kind of is like I could compare it to astional traveling. So if any of your listeners, if they're like, if they're familiar

with astral traveling, that's what I mean. Mm hmm, Well let me make sure I closed this other thing. I've got you on this other thing live. I don't want to be like a feedback or something. So anyways, uh, so I would sit, they would do these sessions with me where they showed me by brain scans, and what they showed was is that my pre fineral cortex was off. So my critical thinking center of my brain, my prefneral cortex, it was completely shut off. And the on the

sane right, it wouldn't light up. Certain yeah, it wouldn't light up. But my amigdalave, which is the trauma center of my brain, was red hot. And so yeah, and so they so they told me that they're like, well, this is what's going on. They said that he's only he only has neuropathways connected to his trauma center of his brain. Yeah, like reptilian brain, like the yeah, exactly, reptilian brain exactly. And that's what they said, like this guy is operating off his RETI who

was reptilian brain, you know. And they actually said that because during that time, dude, I mean I was one of those. I mean, by the time two thousand and five came around, I was a leader of a small gang. Okay, I had my own you know, operation going. I was. I was on the way to becoming my grandfather. Yeah, okay, I was on the way there. And so I had this persona, this identity that I was already being built up. But I don't see a lot of tats on you. What's up. Yeah, that's purposeful,

that's purposeful. Good. Yeah. Those those are the those are the street those are the street warriors of the Spiders. Yeah, you're you're above that. You send those guys out. Yes, yeah. So when I was when I got to be, and that's on purpose, you know. And when I was younger, I'd ask for tattoos and you know, ask for blessings, and it was always no, like and I asked my Gappa one time, like why why don't you guys do that? Like should it?

And he says that you know, the strongest societies are kept secret, right, so you got to look the part. You got to be able to blend in. You can't do that. Yeah, yeah, you cannot write. That's why it's called the occult, right, because you have to you have to stay hidden, you know. So anyways, but through that recovery, I was like it was like being able to astro travel and I

would go back in time. It was like I was riding on a train and these images would start going buy me on my left and my right because when the lights were shining in a certain when the lights are shot in a certain direction, it would look like I'd have you know, stuff going beside me, right, And I would land on these different times in my life when these events were happening, and I was able to like feel like I

was in that space and that moment, you know. I was talking to the Cult Rejects guide Nick and he said, through meditation and ritual, something very similar happens where there's a light in the center and you see these basically like like freeze frames of your of maybe things you don't recognize when he was doing it, but if you recognize it as part of your life. He had the sense and feeling that he could just step into one of them and be there in that timeframe. Yeah, I had that same I had that

same experience. Yeah, yeah, and so but it was but so that was when I first did that first couple of times, it was it was overwhelming, It was, it was extremely overwhelming. My entire paradigm exploded. And the first time, probably right, first time self reflection, I would imagine, like the first time for self reflection, like to see you know, yeah, like a conscience starting to building. Yeah, I know,

exactly. No, yeah, because before that, I can honestly say that I could, you know, I could put a gun, you know, I could put a gun up to somebody and not care, you know. And that's and that's not I can't ask that question. But I would imagine there's there's some stories behind that too. Well, you know, I've never killed anybody, you know, I never, you know, I never, I never did anything like that, Never made you have to sacrifice anything that

wasn't an animal. No, okay, no, yeah, that's the official answer at least, right I'm dismissing. Yeah, that's the mainstream narrative. No, yeah, no, no, I was never forced to do anything like that. You know, I have seen a lot of death though, you know that the death, you know, the death that I did see was families against families, you know, because like in the uh in that same household, same household, you know, same household, and also just

you know, families of the region. You know, like I would say probably from the time I was I want to say eleven, because I actually

went through two initiations. I went through initiation when I was six. I went through initiation when I was twelve, going into my teenagers, and I would say like around twelve is when things started getting really weird, and there was some fights that were happening between the Natives and the Spaniards regarding land and other things and and control what I what I believe is control of like drugs that were being sold in that area and distributed in that area. So essentially

there was like a drug war that broke out. There was a there was a family of Italians that moved in from the east that came to our area and they started a fight with the family and they just wiped each other out. I mean, they killed each other. Yeah, So that lasted what an accomplishment, right, and I was like, I'm Italian, and it's

just like what did it for? What? You know, Like I'm what I mean, they literally wiped they wiped each other out, and you know, and that's why when I had that drug overdose, because I was on my way there, you know the reason why I did what I did and left, because I literally just up and left. I'll never forget the day.

It was September seventeen, two thousand and five. I had this drug overdose and I had this like awakening, you know, I just I realized, like you said that self inflection of like I realized like who I was. And in that moment when I had that experience, I had two encounters. And it gets a little weird. So I hope that you know, I'm just telling you what I what I experienced. Now, that's fine,

We're open minded here, It's okay, cool, right on. I know, it's just, you know, it's a little nervous saying this is actually the first time I've been in this position. But so in this moment when I'm overdosing, I'm actually conscious in this moment, and I'm conscious as this is happening, and I realize that I've taken too much and I can feel my body, my body starts to shut down. What's that? Yeah, what drug was it? Well? I was doing all kinds of drugs.

I was doing acid, shrooms, you know, cocaine, you know, other injectives, you know, dopamine, you know, you name it. I mean it was all we would just we would go to the nines because like I was in this thinking of like, if I can get the faster, I can get to the darkness, I'll find the light. So when I reject when I rejected God and I rejected faith, when I was younger, I was told that I was going to be consumed with darkness. I was told that I was darkness. And I was told that the message I

was given is that I shouldn't exist, that I was a shadow. And so I didn't like that. I didn't like that narrative in my own life. So, and how they were telling you this stuff, yeah, right, and so but after a certain age of being told this over and over again, you start to believe, well, maybe I am darkness. And repetition is hypnosis for sure, right, And so by the time I'm six,

I'm very violent in school, I had no empathy. You know, kids would come up, you know, boys would come up and make fun of me because I was always a little awkward and weird, and they little did they know that I was literally trying to like keep myself together because I had just been violently raped the night before. That did happen to you? Then? Okay, I didn't ask you about that. I didn't want to. But yeah, no, I mean, you know it's it's I know,

it's a multiple people. It was it like an ritual type of atmosphere too, Yeah, it was. It was always it was always ritualistic. So that sounds like more than one person then usually too, No, it was it was multiple. You know, there were times where here's what I don't get to. So many different cultures and different continents. Do you all

have the same methods for breaking somebody? You know what I mean? Like, there's there's something there's something about the evil that stirs around in here in this world that this this force, this presence that you know, informs everyone equally about how to get there and how to do these things. Yeah,

no, it is like it is like a to me. To me, it felt like a demonic hive mind you know, or or or a different type of unified thinking because it works as a network, you know what I mean, It's a network, So you know, for me it was and you know, again saying my mom and dad, you know they're probably gonna

hear this. I've reconciled with my parents. There was a point where I wasn't really connected with them, and I've reconciled my relationship with both my parents and then they've always been a place of strength and I just want to tell me I love them if they do watch this. But but yeah, and you know what, my parents just to say this real quick to because I need to say this disclaimer. You know, I was groomed from a young age to be in the occult my parents. It was kept secret from my

parents. They didn't know when I first got initiated. When I was six, my parents were gone and I was initiated by blood oath. I still have the scar in my hand. I don't know if you can see it, but I was initiated by blood oath after I was after I was repeatedly

raped. Okay, to to not to not say anything to me, that's mental break because it's like, why do I would why would I trust anybody and why would I take it a book to the same people that were just destroying my my entire life just now, you know, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, exactly exactly. Yeah, sorry, go ahead. I just said it's chaos. Chaos. It is. No, it is, and I want to I want to come back to that.

But but yeah, so so yeah, so where I was going with that is so at that point, at age six, you know, when I made the decision, when I had this initiation, I felt like I felt like a dark awakening right when I was officially like initiated in couldn't have a presence come along with you afterwards? You know? Yeah, well I was. I was assigned to spirit guide mm hmm. And the spirit guide I I you know, and I'm going to sound crazy here, but if you're

open mind that, I'm just going to tell it. You know, the spirit guide had a name, and it was linked to me through my life, and I was told that this spirit guide would help me along, that would guide me along the way through the fire. Huh. That's the fire coming up again too, right, same and same symbols, right. So it was like a rite of passage in a way, you know what I

mean. It was it was like a weird thing and they're proud of you, but they just destroyed you, right like that type of it's backward. It creates a duality. Well, it's inversion, right, it's inversions, you know, Luciferianism. It's inversion of the truth. So it's the absence of and the the and you know it's as above so below or the reversal

of that. And they're their whole claim is they are the darkness. So they're going to they're they're they have a purpose because it's it's about, okay, all things are created, you know, according to ancient texts, all things are created by the Almighty, for the Almighty, through the Almighty,

you know, accorded to that world system. And so they feel like they even that includes the darkness, that includes the evil, and they are the necessary evil that has to be because in their efforts and what they're doing, they feel justified. That's because they're connected to the they're connected to the greater

they're connected to the Greater network, if that makes sense. Or I mean when it's reinforced by actual supernatural things occurring when they do these rituals it's hard not for them not to believe it, that they're accurate, that they know.

Yeah, well they have tap they have really tapped into and you know, and this is why, you know, this is why they call it, you know, a call or hidden also because there are those like really kind of ancient AI rituals, right yeah, an yeah, ancient AI memes, you know, these texts that these symbols, the symbolism, the letters, you know, the ability to manifest in communication, right, you know. That makes sense too, because sigils have an actual energy that affects your

your subconscious like images, certain things like you don't know it. The reason why they use these things in like corporate logos is because it has an effect on your brain. It's so it is in a sense like a computer system would work too, or like the AI would work as well in a way that affects you. It's just a different way of looking at it because we

first have to realize that this realm could very well be a simulation. And when that's true, any little thing could be digitized, any little thing can be part of AI. You know, you don't even know it right exactly, And that's why they call it, you know, because what I'm learning too is I'm having to I'm finding myself being careful with the letters I use, because that's why they call it spelling, because we spell, we broadcasts

or we're casting spells and manifesting things and so. And this is huge in the occult because they believe that they already believe. Now it doesn't matter, It doesn't matter what Christians believe, or Buddhists or you know, any of the religion but believes. Okay, the the fact of the matter is is

that manifestation is done through spelling. Period. You have to you have to put a spell out in order to manipulate the reality around you and mix the mix the uh, what's the word I'm looking for here, mix the energy

of your emotions together to manifest what you want in life. And that is kind of to me, has been the hack for my simulation because the life that I live, you know, when I even when I tell the story and I've told you know the story to you know, my innermost circle that know about what I'm telling you right now, They they see me for who I am and they allow me a space to be safe. And I lost my train. I thought there for a second, Sorry, No, it's

okay. I was gonna ask if if we have a moment to do so, are there any so you know, being that you were initiated, being that you were in it for as long as you were, and that you were basically chosen for an upper rechelant, not not us street thug. Are there any rituals that you led yourself, like you know, or that you would do on your own, independently when you wanted something like? How much of this magic did you get into? And also did you witness supernatural things

that couldn't be explained by whatever hallucination or whatever it was? Yeah, something that you saw in it was there or felt in was there a presence? Yeah? Yeah, no, good question. You know, I talking on the last part first about witnessing those high strange things and tying in the magic that is manifestation. Yes, I have seen people go through shape shape shifting

type of things. I've seen. One time I saw these three young witches they were probably in their early teenage years, twelve or thirteen, three teenage, which is dancing around a purple flame, a purple flame that was floating, and the greater group was around them, and these girls turned into coyotes, and it was it was the most bizarre thing I'd ever seen. My friend, my brother and my friends were we were all kind of we were

there, we were supposed to be there. There's something that we were supposed to be there. We're actually we were walking through the dry river as they call mo Royals, and we stumbled upon this ritual that was going on anyway. But and I've also seen well I've seen other chimerical type creatures. But the thing that I want to focus on is I want to focus on my ability. So I have ability for like being a healer. Now I've acknowledged

that right now in my current state is that I'm an emotional healer. So because of the tools and the skills I've been able to acquire and heal myself and detached from the trauma, I'm able to then pass those tools and help other people. However, in the past, I was growed to be a magician. So in the Order and I saw you mentioning. I can't remember where I think, I think is this last podcast I've had a chance to listen to it. Maybe I just read the title, but it was mentioning

like the Order of chaos oh or oko? Yeah, that was a yeah, order of Ko. Yeah yeah, yeah, so the order of Ko. Well, when I was young, So just a quick side, just a quick side story. So and are we good on time? We're good? Oh yeah, we're good. Okay. So so yeah, so when I was young, around twelve, my second initiation. Okay, So going into my second initiation, because there's different initiations at different ages, and it usually happened every six years, okay, And so in the second one,

I was supposed to rob this store. I was only twelve and was supposed to rob a store, take a certain amount of items and then you know, show that I had done that deed, and then that initiates me into a higher position or whatever. It's just done, all right. But that initiation was for a special group called chaos, the Chaos Crew, and it was a it was a group of individuals that would literally just cause chaos. And looking back, the reason why I know that I was meant for such

a thing like that is because of of the no empathy thing. I had no empathy, you know, right, So anyways, but so yeah, but yeah, then you know when that happened, I got arrested and get arrested when you went when you went to run the store. Yeah, at twelve years old. So I got arrested. Yeah, I got arrested at twelve years old, and like legit, you know, the cops handcuffed me and it was a very very embarrassing experience, really communicate, humiliating, and

I was walked in procession around the store the police officer. So when my dad showed up, When my dad showed up, he uh, you know, he told I mean and rightly. So I learned my lesson from it. But you know, he told the police officer to walk around the store embarrass me, blah blah blah. And then I get arrested when i'm I'm I got a house arrest and then I was not supposed to go more than

a mile from my house. Well, the very next day I go out because my elder sibling, I guess what they would call it, like he was a part of he was a part of the occult group. He was from another family. He invited me out to go ride motorcycles and I crashed really bad. I broke my back in a couple of places. I had a fracture on my neck. I punctured my lung. Geez, I broke my pelvis, like, I smashed myself really good and in that during that

timeframe, I mean, it was a really harsh recovery. I almost didn't survive it. I had an out of body experience, and that's another story for a different day. But I had an out of body experience and kind of a preface to what was to come later. And during my recovery, the message I was told is that was my body having to be broken to bring me into the new dawn, you know, of my life. So I mean that was a positive message though, right, because it was the

beginning of the change, right. Yeah. So anyways, but yeah, uh, you know, I see a comment of somebody talking about the number six one six. There's actually truth to that as far as those that numerology. I'm sorry, I just I got distracted by the comment. Yeah. Yeah, so I know I know about I know about the whole six one six number. I know about the whole six one six number. But that's like a whole other discussion, you know. I mean, so what else, I mean, what else do you want to know? Like, what

else would you like to talk about? Well, let's see I mean we let me I have some notes here and I'm actually going to go back this too real quick. So you did some in things with the rituals. We talked about that seeing things shape shift into features. That was that was that's a pretty interesting thing because that goes right into the skin walker thing, right,

I mean, that's that's a that's pretty that's pretty deep. And when you were doing your rituals, I'm trying to see if there's any other commonalities between this and what I learned from Babylonian magic. You know, the circle would be you know, cornstarch or some kind of flour or something like that. When they did theirs, there would obviously be candles of fire or whatever,

but there's also usually a wax figurine that's involved. And then there's the different color strings that you would tie blue meaning signifying something with like I think health or something like that, and then different types of strings for trying to cause. There's not a whole lot of that of that I learned about how to just you know, help and heal. But I guess you could use

something in like the reverse method of what they were saying. But it's usually about imposing your will in some way something from it, whether it's and and I've also heard that, you know, when it comes to people's like feelings and emotions, that messing with that can get really dangerous and screwed up at times. There was another one other thing though that I wanted to add.

So, so those things were elements that you use, you used that would use is like a figure reading of some sort when you're using these doing these things well mine, Yeah, I don't know, this is gonna sound really strange, but you actually this is the first time he's saying this. So it's for me to talk about when you're when you get to a certain point, you know, you you you can choose a skill. You know, certain people get you know, some people get a skill of or you or

you discover your skills. Some people get the skill of mediumship. Some people get the skill of being a shaman, you know, healer. Some people get uh, you know, there's different different aspects of that. But I'm sorry, I don't mean to put off like Sean like to be able to be a healer sounds like a reward, you know, And it's like when you're doing something so nega to get there, who's giving you that power, right? What purpose? You know that that's always I've been a question and

that's one thing that I really you know, that's one thing. And here's where my here's what my cognitive distance, here's why my cognitive dissonance kind of still catches me. Okay m hm. Because when I was experiencing all those things, I found there was there was a sense of pleasure in it. Because when because when all of your because when all of your identity is stripped away and all of the good in you is literally ripped away from you boundless,

like like it was for me right getting raped violently. Yeah, then like you're in so much pain that you know less painful things are going to be make you feel better because at least it's not hurting as bad as you're hurt. So the point is to break you beyond recognition, like you can't so you can't think, function or exist. It's awful, man, I'm sorry, so but so yeah, for me though, the ritual that I

did was I picked up a skateboard. You know, in my life, I manifested a skateboard because you know, I've seen which I've seen, which is levitate. You know, I've seen I've seen them. I've seen them make a pentagram in the sand, you know, with their various chemicals, you know, burn their you know, burn their purple flame in the middle, and literally literally levitate, and they could do these magical things. And

I'm like, whoa, that's crazy. It's also kind of cool, you know, when you're when you're a kid, and that's your airdeim and you like see somebody like turn into a ball of fire. Like, I know that sounds crazy, but that's insane, like things that you what things people perceive, you know. Anyways, i'n't going to that. So for me, I picked up I picked up a skateboard and and that became my magic Wand you know you mentioned, you know, you saw, you know,

some of my skateboard stuff on Instagram. You know. Yeah. Uh. I started skating when I was ten, and by the time I was fifteen, I was a professional skateboarder. Now, just like with celebrities, you have like A celebrities and B celebrities and C celebrities, you know, so I was like a C celebrity, maybe even a D you know, I got sponsored when I was fourteen. I skateboarded NonStop. You know, when I was awake, I was skating rights cool, and that's kind of what

allowed me to impress my identity on my existence. So what I've known for the longest is that skateboarding and I do I connected with it in such a way where like it literally was my you know, it was my figuringe and and so uh that's what I would use and I would like, you know,

damn near worship the thing, you know. So anyways, but yeah, I mean in the more ritualistic stuff, when we were doing like realistic magic, there were there would be you know, there would be candles, there would be you know, those candles typically had a shape of you know, whatever it was that you're you know, going after. So but really

a lot of it was like using nature. So like one of the things, one of the big things was like you know, taking payoty, right, taking payoty and having a connection, you know, and that was an experience on its own. I don't know if I answered your question correctly, but no, you did. You did, so this you don't have to answer this if you do want to, because I understand that you had been

brutalized. But was there also an early time where they had kind of pushed you together with a female and made that happen to like like a sex ritual or anything like that. Did that ever occur? Yes? Actually it did. It did. Yeah, interesting that Yeah, so no, that did happen. That's how I officially lost my virginity, right so to speak. Uh uh, it was you know, it was you know, basically a

gunpoint. I mean, you know while people watched. Yeah, yeah, and you know, even as a kid like you know, five six seven, you know, was forced to sit in a room and watch you know, ritualistic sex magic happen, you know, and you know it just it shouldn't you know. I was. It was horrifying. There's so many commonalities

that it just blows my mind. And because you're telling you, I'm basically what I'm the impression that I'm getting is this is basically coming from your mom's side of the of the of the table right here, not so much even the Roman Catholic stuff where you could have fallen into an abusive thing right there with the Friese too, just as easily, and there would have been all kinds of mithray Ins and other types of influences in that. And it's yeah,

man. But no matter where it comes from, all the elements are the same. It's it's mind blowing right. And and when when I was five, when I was five, it was whispered in my ear by one of the ladies that actually abused me, and I can only I recognize her voice. But at this point I knew how she was because I would get locked in a closet. I would get locked in a dark closet and people would come and I'd be in there for hours. But anyways, she whispered

in my ear. She was saying, God is going to make you a priest. You're born into the priest You're born into the priesthood. So she says, He's gonna call you and there's gonna be things that are going to happen that you're not going to understand, but just trust God. Do you think that this is a path on the way there? Like, do you think this is still part of their manipulation over I was being groomed? Man? Yeah, you know what I mean, Like whether they knew it or

not as a collective, like you know, I was. I was groomed. I was groomed to be a victim. And now the reason where I'm at now is because I escaped out of that. I took the journey out of shame of that identity, and I took control of my own life. And that takes a lot of strength and courage. And I mean without a compass almost because I mean that they smash that compass when you were young, to be able to navigate yourself out of there just by itself as a miracle.

One other thing I have to ask, So, I mean, does this still play a role in your life, like between your family, like not only in those family, but like your children or whatever. Is it hard to connect with other human beings? Is it hard to have empathy and care for them? Or is that beyond you? Is that passed you now? After the Oh yeah, no, I've uh that's a good questions too much too, it's not it's not you don't have to answer either. No, it's not too much. No, it's I know that I know that

there's some of my family that's watching this right now. So I'm happy to talk about this openly. Yes, I'm able to feel empathy now. I have able to I have been able to rewrite neurons in my mind, in my brain, physical neural pathways that have reconnected my prefrontal cortex to the hard drive of my brain. And because of that, I'm able to critically think now. And because I can critically think, I'm able to experience emotion.

And through the therapy I've been that I've been been grateful to have gone through, I'm able to identify what emotions like empathy are. So it is for me, it's a continual practice for me. It's a it's it's a new magic ritual for me to practice empathy, because if I don't practice empathy, then you know, I become very destructive. And you know I lost you know, during my years of PTSD and recovery, I was married and had

two young children, and my marriage did not survive it. My ex wife, she witnessed some atrocious things as I recovered in the from this occultic chain that I was in. Really, I don't know if that makes sense. Uh say that one more time, because I want to make sure I heard you correctly with the last part with that year, well, me losing my family unlocked the chain, the the occultic chain that I've been locked in, right, w was she part of that world beforehand or now? My ex

wife. Yeah, no, no, no, no, she had she had no involvement. I've actually met her in California. Okay, yeah, and yeah, so yeah, and but now you know, now I'm able to experience peace and happiness and kindness and self control. You know, I've been able to conquer my addictions that yeah, you know, I was. I was, you know, obviously severely addicted to drugs, all kinds of drugs. I was severely addicted to pornography and sex. I mean at the

age like that, there's no other way for you to have been. You know, well, it was a safe place for me. You understood that world, right, So do you still experience from you know, being disconnected from these people. Do you still experience any what you would perceive and able to identify as like a psychic attack from them trying to message you. Yes, currently, I'm in the process of breaking you know, the ancient spiritual

bloodline. I know that sounds really weird. No, it doesn't what you're saying, But but I I know through this enlightenment or whatever you want to call it, that I've had and I'm not going to say like I'm a luminant confirm or anything like that I'm definitely not a part of that. But but I do feel like I have awakened to myself and and be able to have self autonomy. So like, in a in a weird way, I'm

I'm finally beginning to what it feels like to be human again. Do you think that they're manipulating anything as far as your luck in life by any of their efforts? You know, I've had I've had my suspicions, you know, over the last few years. Uh, you know, i feel like I've well, i feel like I'm I don't know if this might be kind of too out there to say this, but I kind of feel like I'm

going through another type of initiation. I feel one where my life is being dismantled yet again, and there just seems to be things that I notice, and I have this feeling or connection that it's coming from the side of the family that wants to stay in the dark, if that makes sense. Yeah, Yeah, that's that's a tough thing, man, And to con and

to conceal the darkness, you know, to to stay hidden. And so you know, I've got I've honestly, I've gotten a lot of pushback, you know, I've I've gotten a lot of you know, pushback of like, hey, you know, like, are you sure you really want to, you know, go public with this knowledge and talk about your life, you know, right, extended families saying like, you know, don't just you know, just be careful. Do you think that was a threat or

a warning of care both? Yeah? I think it might be right because yeah, you know, I have been attacked. You know, I have been. I have been, and it's it's very difficult. But but being in a position of like and this is why I encourage people, and this is why I go through this mantra every day when I look at myself in the mirror. And that's another thing. I've been able to look myself in the mirror. Actually, for the first time over the last several years,

I've been able to look at myself in the mirror. There were years where I couldn't even look at my reflection. But that's just a side note. But you know, this is why I tell people that the only thing that can make me feel, think, or act in any way is me correct I am in control. And because I'm in control of my reality, then those that are in it, I'm grateful because they are there to provide me with an additional piece of knowledge that I am running towards and the reason why.

Like on my Instagram, my last on my stream I did, I said that I think I found the truth. Well, I found the truth in myself and hearing programs like yours, you know, hearing about I think it was with niche or I can't remember. I've listened to so many of your shows now where it talks about the biggest lie is time. Yeah, yeah, she said that for sure. Yeah. I mean for me, I've had multiple death experiences, I've had multiple out of body experiences. I've

seen things of high strangeness. I've seen things that don't make sense. I've you know, and then in twenty twenty, the earth stood still, and then to me it was like, you know what, I started to realize that time really doesn't exist, and so if I when I got over the fear of dying, knowing the fact that you know that is going to come at some point and who knows, right, I've already seen death. And each time I've woken up from death, the two times that I have,

my reality has gotten better. I've learned something different and around someone's trying to help you back on the other side, you know, and it seems like they got you over here now something. You know, honestly, I think that person is me, you working for you and you. Except this is the other thing that Christian's Knife bump heads with is that, yes, you know, you have something within you from God, but it's all up on up to you to choose to work with it or not work with it.

Right, So, at the end of the day, you know, and whenever everybody does anything good or spectacular and they put throughout put forth all this effort that you know, they go on stage and they thank God. Well, I mean, yeah, that's great, and that's good, and that's true, But what about all the craft that you did to get it there too, you know what I mean? Like, so you got to kind of put them both together there you're right right, and see and that and

that's done. That's done right there, that is done. That's part of the deception, seem to give away, to give away the credit to vapor Basically, if you're not really believing, I let people say things thank God, they're pretty much saying it, because I think that this would expect people to hear at this point, you know what I mean, rather than because it comes off maybe like self conceited to say, yeah, I did a good job, you know I did. I breaked my butt off for that

or whatever. M M. Yeah. Now you know, in my in my overall belief at this moment, excuse my overall belief in this moment, is that, yes, there is an almighty source that connects us together. Okay, yeah, I mean if that one thing, if you could see the supernatural, one thing, there's got to be the opposite, right, like if you saw the dark, you gotta there's gotta be something else right, right, right. But it's but it's much more complicated than anybody can

never understand, you can ever understand. Are you familiar with the term called a fractal? Yes, yes, it's actually on the cover of I was wearing the Strokes T shirt last night and in a video and the Strokes and there is this it is it's a picture zoom in. The more complicated it gets in this expense, yea. And those fractals, you know, I notice on on social media the fractals are getting more like popular, you know, where people just watch these videos and just zoom in and zoom in.

Like to me, if I were to try to conceptualize God in a way for people to truly understand it, he's a fractal or it's a fractal or whatever it is the Gods to it, right, Yeah, yeah, right, it's a it's a fractal because it's never ending, and it's never understandable at least at least not while we're in this form, right, at least what we're in this form, at least right at least while we're in this

form. But but what I'm saying is that if you, if we as human beings, can get to a point where we can surpass fear mhm and realize that not only is time a lie, okay, but death is also a lie. I'm with you on that because a couple of things have happened in my life for I would tell you that I feel like it's I don't even know if there's like a break in between. No, there's not, really not. And so I think that you know, those are parts of

the great deception. And and and just one last thing on this is, you know, growing up in the Christian Church, and you know, my dad being a pastor and learning what I learned about the Bible, and you know where I got passionate about reading the Bible. You know, they talk about the rapture, okay, which is really not It's that word is not mentioned in the Bible, right right, thank you there, And a lot of a lot of Christians say, oh, the raptures in the Bible.

No, the word rapture is not in the Bible. But there is there is a term and I don't recall it, I have it in front of me, but there is a term a verse that says that in this that God will gather up, He will rise up right the people into this up unto the heavens with him, that will ascend into heaven with him, okay, and be caught up it says, it says, well the original like

look at the original translations. So that actually needs to awaken and there's that says happened blinking in a twinkling of an eye or a blink it back right or in that text. Yeah, Well, when well, when somebody is when somebody is coming into their awakening from the system, from the slave system that we're in, when they come to an awakening, what do you do when you wake up, you blink your eye, your eyes twinkle, and

you wake up into your consciousness. Okay, yeah, yeah, So so I believe that I believe that the rapture, if that's what you want to

call it, right, is actually happening now. Yeah yeah, And then when there is enough of a collective see because what we're happening, will we're you know, what we're seeing here in my opinion, in my viewpoint, what I've studied in the text is referring to the Judeo texts of the canon, you know, and looking at the Book of Genesis, it shows it says that you know, in the beginning, he created the heavens and earth,

and he separated the light in the darkness. Right when he separates the light in the darkness, that word separation, the original translation for that is divorce. The exactly the great right he divorced himself from the darkness. So you're familiar with the great divorce. I've heard you talk about that, But

what what are some of your thoughts on that? Well, so this kind of goes into like the dream type of realm too, because it's like what when you think about when you're talking about with time, the one one of the other ways I used to uh express it is that because I used to be an electrician, so I would think about it in those terms where like you're in a circuit, right, and or you're in just energy is electricity

or whatever or just however you want to look at it. But if you're in a conduit, if you would and you're or a conductor, right and you're going through you hit a resistor, and your perception of time happened is just because everything's slowing down in this time period before you blast off into space again as far as like super fast, So everything is happening kind of at once, but kind of not because it's all based on the mind's perception of

how it's going down. So all of reality could be also in a blink of an eye, but to us it's this big, long train of things that are occurring. So from that, like the great divorce would be that loss of knowing self and true self during that period before it all comes back together again, right right, and that and that wraps it in with so are we God? Are we? So? In a sense like those people who say man is God, they're saying it in the wrong way, with

the wrong mindset. But in a sense we're here so that God can basically experience himself possibly, but also because it's this anomaly or whatever you want to call it, intentional whatever, but it's that separation, the great divorce that like like I even hear it in the music, like I was saying before that if you look at it the right way. A lot of times people even say God, and you think they're just saying it like an expression like oh God, this sucks, you know, or something like that, But

no, they're they're showing their frustration. But in a sense, if you just listen to it literal, they're they're talking about a girl or something like that, but in reality they're or maybe not in reality, but it also could be read or perceived as a longing for being back together with God, right or right so or or or and who's asking for that? The darkness?

Right? You know? So it's very strange, very yeah, No, there is a well, the mixture, the mixture because we're both right, so maybe it's just the good part of us wanting that and they want the separation, because there could also be the idea of like you know, how dead skin cells fall off, right, So maybe This is like a like the ancient shedding, Yeah, where you get rid of that which isn't going to be needed and you know, the purification type of thing. Yeah.

And then that in that language, you start getting into eating. Yes, well yeah, I mean you get and you get into terms like Tiamatt. Are you familiar with Tiamont? Yeah? Then they bring about the great Dragon. Yeah, I talk about that in my book. Yeah, seven headed. You know, I need to get your book. I apologize I have not gotten that book yet, but definitely, you know, it sounds

like something I want to read. But yeah, anyways, but yeah, you're getting into tium out there and the whole the dragon, right, the chaos dragon that died and laid in the deep and that you know, and that's what the spirit of God hovers over the deep and yeah, we can go and you know that's a whole the rabbit hole. But but yeah, man, so that's that's kind of my story in a nutshell. I mean, I can I can continue going. I'm sure sure where you're at,

you know, with the time or questions. Yeah, I got to get some stuff done. I have a bunch of Internet orders I have to fulfill, and I just heard my daughter came home, so I'm gonna say hello, and uh, I don't know if you heard my marketing, but that was the key. That was that was that was the cue. But yeah, I was. It was a really great talk, and I'm glad and I thank you for being open and discussing this. And it's it's an eye

opener to to just see how I mean, you're a real person. We're talking to a real person, had this real experience who didn't ask for it, didn't deserve it, and you're not a sociopathic killer because of it, and you're not going out. Can I let me let one last question? Do you meditate? Do you still practice certain types of what people rituals? Yeah? You do, Yeah, but the geared for a different purpose now, is that yes? And it's like you said earlier, it's all about

the intent, right right, right? So my intent, my intent has changed. And I think I said to you that the new family Crest I made. But I made a new family Crest, I made a new I made a new schedule for the family. I don't know if I showed you that just on the screen. I thought, I think, okay, no, there's another one. I'll send it to you. Okay, but but yeah, so no, so you are writing your history and changing your blood eye. You're even changing the crest and you're getting rid of the changing the

crust. Yeah heck yeah, man. And I do meditate. I do meditate. So I wake up at four thirty every morning, and the moment I wake up, I go into a meditative uh trans for about eight minutes. That's yeah, that's that takes a lot of practice. I know you've been doing your whole life or whatever, but that's that's not like to just be able to do it that quickly. A lot of people take a long time and be able to get there, you know, just together to get

to calm themselves first before they can do that. That's very good. So and I'm kind of in a semi meditative state all day, you know, I have to because you know, just real quick. I know you got to go, but just real quick. So like you know, in my last bit of my recovery, when I when I left there was when I when I first got there, they I diagnosed me with what's called the dark triad. It's called it's a it's a multi they call it d I D

NOW or a form of it, but this associated identity disorder. But this particular one is called the dark triad. You can google it, look it up. So they said that I was experiencing this you know, specific you know, mental health identity. But that's what I was able to break free from. But I still have like remnant symptoms that occur. So I have to always be in a self meditative state in the background, make making sure that my auxiliary functions, I know this sounds weird, but that my auxiliary

functions are appropriate for the reality that I'm in. So I still in my existence. I experience a very fractured, you know existence, but I get through it daily as much as I can, and it manifests itself in pain. So I have an official diagnosis of acute fibromyalgia. So so I have to endure twenty four hour, NonStop physical pain. But it keeps me in this like ability to you know, have cognition if you will, do you do you take any cannabis or anything like that to Yeah, yeah, I

do. I do medicate through CBD and TC typically in you know gummy for my high microdose on that and you what's up? Check out credim too. That might help you. I've heard of that. I actually just recently heard of that, but yeah, and I will check that out. But like I'm almost to the point where I can honestly let it go, you know, like it's it's been like it's been layers. You know. First it was all the crazy, all the crazy heavy drugs, right, you know.

And then and then it was like the alcohol, like I don't really drink that much, you know, like all I'll have a beer here and there, and then I've let that go or letting that go. And I feel like the next step is potentially to let marijuana go, but I don't know. We'll see. Let me just jump the in with that stoke next Thursday, b if you have a chance to, if not, watch it

afterward. I'm gonna ask doctor Peter g Lidden about this because there's now two different people who have told me maybe more that through magic rituals in the past, they made their blood thick after them, they've made physical problems happened to them because of you know, how how deep they went. And it has a lot to do with your physiology when it comes to like your your your

minerals and your nutrients. So I'm almost wondering if the fiber myalgia with the property nutrition would subside a little, because a lot of people go nutrient deficient their whole life because the doctors don't know anything about nutrition, and the problems persist. And that's just how it happened to manifest. So if that could trigger and push you into that and then you kind of got stuck with it,

because it's almost like your brain is manifesting it. It sounds like, Yeah, So I'm almost wondering if the proper nutrition and nutrients would actually help your body fix itself. And yeah, I was never taught. I was never taught how to have nutrition, so I would be interested. And yeah, I definitely listened to that. Yeah, I'll ask him specifically about fibermialogy. I know he has it on his website, so we'll probably go over that first thing next time. Right, All, all right, man,

thank you so much your time, guys. D code d K O d E is how you find him on Instagram? You do all your streaming from there at the moment, right you haven't, Yeah, at the moment, I just I just I just opened up a Rumble account. It's called one two one, but that's that's what I've got right now. It's uh, I think it's yeah, it's one two one, and it's got a picture

of like an AI generated cloaked angel type creature. Yeah. I'm a messenger, so that's what that's kind of what I'm trying to put out there. I like it all right, man, Thank you so much for your time. Thank you for sharing all this with us. And I hope that helped other people out there who have had similar experiences, like I know personally, let's just say too many, because it's a it's a sad thing. Too many people that I've known for quite a long time that have had these experiences.

Yeah, and not all of them made it as well as you, and some of them were quite convinced that they were fine and it did not turn out that way, you know, or something else was going on. So yeah, and you know, if I can say just one thing to thank you for this opportunity for the platform. Yeah, man, it's gets

more attention on what your what you your messages too well. Not only not only was I was it therapeutic and helpful for me to be completely transparent, but the intention my intent in in this, in this ritual that we're doing now in this medium is to communicate to the masses that there is hope. Yes, I mean, you went through a lot and you're over here now and not living that life, right, so right, there is hope for there is hope for healing. There is hope, and that that healing comes

through truth. So you're a payer of that then, and I thank you and I appreciate you, and I'm grateful for you. Thanks for that. Man, that was a really nice of the met uh Greg, great time. Thank you. And if you're coming up with an idea of something else you want to discuss in the future, just hit me up, all right, man, I appreciate it. In descrying mirror, yes sir, yes, sir, all right, thank you so so much. You got by. You take care and that will wrap it up for the show tonight,

guys. I am out. I gotta make some sauce, as I had said, and then I've gotta go say hello to my daughter. So you guys have a great night. Bye.