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how to use indie data as a carrot not a stick

Oct 26, 202026 minSeason 1Ep. 6
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Episode description

Data doesn't mean anything unless it changes behaviors. But doing so must be done with care and intention. Too much pressure and you'll create a culture of fear. Too little and you're back in an ecosystem of invisibility. Steve Holley, an indie agency owner in Virginia, explains how he walks that line and finds the right conversation at the right time.

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