>> Chris Dechter: This is AV Super Friends off the Rails, an almost regularly scheduled open discussion on audio and video in higher education. We'll sound off about our most brilliant ideas, our dumbest mistakes, and everything in between. And because this conversation will almost certainly go off the rails at some point, we'll end up covering just about everything else. And now, the AV Super Friends for June 27, 2025. It's the best
sounding podcast in Ed. This is the AV Super Friends off the Rails, episode number 117. That's a lot. >> Justin Rexing: That's a random number. >> Marc Cholewczynski: That's a good number. >> Chris Dechter: M. No, it's this number. Broadcasting live from coast to coast, from through forest, plains, barbecue smoke, rolling hills, and red clay roads, this podcast spans the nation. 1av Hot take at a time.
Or something like that. I'm Chris Dechter, your host and the only one actually pushing buttons around here. And it's time for another Friday afternoon podcast adventure. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Push your buttons. >> Chris Dechter: And let's say hello to today's panel of ABC Friends with this button. You did push a button. Actually, you clicked. >> Jamie Rinehart: I only have to push three. >> Chris Dechter: Come on, let's do this one.
>> Jamie Rinehart: I didn't push that one. >> Chris Dechter: So we're joined by a director of equipment thermal optimization from Kansas City, Mr. Jamie Reinhardt. >> Jamie Rinehart: Oh, buddy. I'm learning all about fans and heat dissipation. >> Chris Dechter: Jamie's, this week. >> Jamie Rinehart: I'm learning all about how air conditioning practitioner's work.
>> Chris Dechter: Also joined by a chief cable untangler in the outdoor events division who's coming to you from an RV in rural Pennsylvania, Mark Kolosinski. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yes, one tangled knot of cables is my life story. I have spent my entire life untangling that ball of cables. I don't think I'll ever be done. >> Chris Dechter: Also joined by the manager of seasonal digital signage, sun glare mitigation from Greensboro, North Carolina, Mr. Larry Darling.
>> Larry Darling: I'm just walking around campus lowering shades at this and putting on shades when I need to. When I need to. >> Chris Dechter: And finally, we're joined by our vice president for outdoor temporary cable pathways and event sunburns from Bowling Green, Kentucky, Mr. Justin Rexing. >> Justin Rexing: It sounds like I'm walking around with a shovel and some lotion, but somehow that's not weird.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Shovel lotion and a bunch of, like, guard dog. Just like. >> Chris Dechter: I'm curious about the shovel. What's the shovel? >> Jamie Rinehart: Does that have anything to do with the missing pathways? >> Justin Rexing: They're temporary, so you gotta put them in the ground and you're just trenching stuff. Just trenching by hand? Yeah. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Oh, he's Calling extension cords to the lawn. >> Justin Rexing: Yeah.
>> Jamie Rinehart: What are you doing? It's easement. Don't worry about it. Just, just. You need some trenching. >> Chris Dechter: Lotion. On today's show, we're going to discuss, why you should have been at Infocom if you weren't. And we're going to talk about sustainability and forced obsolescence. But first, let's do some housekeeping. so if you're listening to this As a recorded MP3, we do stream live on Fridays at about 3:30 Eastern, 12:30
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>> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah, they have their cell phone hooked up to the Bluetooth. Ask them what the Bluetooth is and the county pool and just play our show for them. Be nice. >> Chris Dechter: This lotion thing's gonna be a bad idea. >> Justin Rexing: I didn't start it. That was you. >> Chris Dechter: I didn't mention lotion. I said sunburns. You went right to
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>> Justin Rexing: Putting on. >> Chris Dechter: We leave us at least a three and a half stars. maybe like three and a quarter. Three. >> Justin Rexing: What's with all the tools? >> Jamie Rinehart: The way with this show is going, one would be fine. Just one star. That means you did something you don't. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Do any star just say, hey, we downloaded. >> Justin Rexing: This is not going to be.
>> Chris Dechter: The more people who are forced to listen to us because we get pushed up in their little suggested. >> Justin Rexing: This is not going to be a good show. >> Chris Dechter: All right? So thanks for support. We could not do this without you. And now I'm going to debut a brand new commercial because that's what I want to do. >> Justin Rexing: Have we heard this? Have we audited this? Do we know?
>> Chris Dechter: We did a few minutes ago and it got a. Oh, that was that one. I don't know. >> Jamie Rinehart: You're busy trenching. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah. You're out. >> Chris Dechter: You were digging and rubbing lotion on people. >> Justin Rexing: I had stuff to do. >> Chris Dechter: All right, Jamie, give me a slate and we'll run this one. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Oh, boy. >> Jamie Rinehart: This, one.
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it's everything everywhere. All the audio you'll ever need. Holstered audio holster. You'll never not need it. By independent amalgamated. >> Chris Dechter: Do you have. >> Justin Rexing: Right now we have a picture of one of these. Like, what is looks like. What the hell is it? >> Marc Cholewczynski: That's just the chassis for it, though. The secret's in the software. >> Larry Darling: Yeah, it's all cloud based.
>> Jamie Rinehart: A little off topic here, but I. I feel heard. I feel heard because all of a sudden I just got an email for. The product of the day was an assortment of home lotions. >> Justin Rexing: I. >> Jamie Rinehart: You not. It just came in. Hey, you know, it says, can we like Amazon, can we interest you in these products? And I should. I just. >> Justin Rexing: Someone is listening to our show. >> Jamie Rinehart: I'm like, oh, my God, Jeff Bezos.
>> Justin Rexing: Apparently he's busy. He's like getting married in. Doing some kind of wedding thing or something. >> Jamie Rinehart: Sorry. Wow. This is topical. >> Chris Dechter: All right, well, And now you've waited all week for it. Let's do the news. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Let's do the news. >> Justin Rexing: Yeah. >> Chris Dechter: today's article comes from AV Interactive or AV
Magazine. I guess it's AV Magazine that their website is AV Interactive and the title is German State Minister declares We're done with teams. So basically Germany. Germany is sick and tired. Now this. Keep in mind to play Devil's Day after a little bit. This is brought to you by the same people who did the GDPR or whatever nonsense. And now you have to click Accept or decline cookies on every freaking website, which does nobody any good because now you get so blind to that you
just click whatever. So God only knows how many cookies are on your computer. >> Justin Rexing: Yeah, it's like a eula. >> Chris Dechter: Just like, yeah, sure, yeah, I'm gonna read that. >> Chris Dechter: Thanks a lot. >> Justin Rexing: Eu. >> Chris Dechter: So all right, so this one comes or it comes specifically about Germany and it says Dirk Schroeder, the digitalization minister. >> Marc Cholewczynski: There's a title sounds like a digital.
>> Chris Dechter: In the northern state of Shellswig, Holstein says 60,000 civil servants, police officers, judges and teachers are set to switch to open source software. So not only teams, but they're going to toss all their Microsoft licensing stuff too. I think due to rising costs, poor experiences with IT and general pain in the assness. >> Justin Rexing: Yeah, DAS is good.
>> Jamie Rinehart: And the fact that some other company in this world has access to all of their stuff and can hold it hostage at any moment, well that's the whole thing. >> Justin Rexing: Or use it. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Like once you're in there, you kind of want everything to be there and then you get to a point where it's, you're too big to fail and then you're also like a big target to exploit.
Right. And so once somebody's in there in your Azure environment or your fabric or whatever it is, once you're there, like the world's your oyster, you can do whatever you want. So I'm not surprised to see an entire government say, you know what, maybe we don't want to do that and put all our stuff in there and go away. And like I don't know if it's any better going to an open source. >> Larry Darling: That's the part that threw me. The open source aspect of it, like.
>> Justin Rexing: That'S a lot to man, that's a lot of overhead. That's a lot to keep up and keep it up with everything. >> Marc Cholewczynski: But I mean it, I'm not surprised. This day and age, like you know, we're not going to go with some American company and put all our data in there and kind of sit there. No, we're not going to do that. Especially European. Like, come on, come on now it's Microsoft. What could go wrong?
>> Chris Dechter: I think a lot of it comes down to cost. and we've seen that recently where a lot of us who have, you know, let's say, for example, we have zoom, a lot of us have zoom. But there's this big push to roll to teams because teams is free for now. >> Marc Cholewczynski: No, it's not. It's not. >> Chris Dechter: Even if, even if there is zero initial cost on it, it will cost you down the road. But also it will, after two or three years,
that's license, it's going to show up on your bill. And now that you. To your point, Mark, now that you've got all your stuff in there. Oh, you want all those teams things going then there's a lot for that. >> Jamie Rinehart: Teams. Teams is still free. But Microsoft Word went up by 400. >> Chris Dechter: Tell you what. Teams, no charge. Word. Thousand bucks. Yeah. so I would say look for more of this. But this happens in Europe
every, every now and then. It seems to be a cyclical thing where they go through and they get rid of one software thing to go open source and they find out how much it actually costs to do that. Or yes, it's free, but you still have to have, sysadmins and all sorts of people there to run all that stuff. That's not. >> Marc Cholewczynski: It's a business cycle. You see it everywhere. Not just in, like, countries and in Europe and things like that.
Once it gets so bloated and so expensive, it's. Look at your cell phone bill, your cable bill, right? You're like, oh, you signed up for that free for one year. It's going to be this. And then afterwards you're like, this thing went up 700. Why are you paying 700 for M. My cable balance? Like, well, you got to basically cancel that so you can get that new, new membership and get that new cell phone again. Right. So
that's what, that's what Germany does. They're waiting to get their new cell phone. We'll resign. Back up Microsoft. >> Justin Rexing: That's really expensive. >> Jamie Rinehart: But little do they know, Microsoft took their cancellation notice, procedures from all the gyms in the world where you have to walk. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yes. They have to go in and like sign. Yeah, sure. >> Chris Dechter: You can swarm in Redmond and you.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Can'T arrive by any other means than walking with Nike shoes because they're down the street. >> Chris Dechter: So there is a note here that says, they're also going to shift their data storage from, presumably from, from Azure Cloud or 365 or whatever, to a cloud system not controlled by Microsoft, as the region wants to rely on a publicly owned German digital infrastructure. How long until that little, Little, cloud service gets purchased by Microsoft?
>> Justin Rexing: I was going to say, are they running on Windows servers? >> Jamie Rinehart: Amazon. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah, it's Amazon or Microsoft. Pick one. >> Jamie Rinehart: It'll be aws. >> Chris Dechter: Yeah, it could be on Facebook's stuff. so anyway, just interesting. I suspect we will see more of this sort of thing, from. From different organizations, different regions, different, government
entities who are. We may even see it in the, you know, in our neck of the woods and universities looking at a way to shed some cost. and then three to five years later, they're right back there doing that again. >> Marc Cholewczynski: So, yeah, I mean, with all the AI, proliferation and everything like that, like where your data is, how it's accessed, and how the cloud compute can see it or not see it and what it means, like, you're going to
see this stuff, like weekly. You're going to see all these wholesale database migrations, and so not surprised you see it at, at the international kind of like country level, but we're going to see it take all shapes and forms. >> Justin Rexing: Sounds fun. >> Chris Dechter: So there you go. Happening to you too. So soon. Soon your. Your. Your new Senior Director of Enterprise Architecture or your CIO will tell you, open source, we're migrating to this and it's going to be
30 days. It'll be fine. >> Justin Rexing: We've already tested like, oh, my God. >> Marc Cholewczynski: But how many of you have been a part of one? Like, we're migrating to this and you moved all your stuff, but you still have the old thing two or three years later. >> Justin Rexing: Now you got to support both. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah, yeah, that's usually how it goes. >> Justin Rexing: That works out real well.
>> Jamie Rinehart: The cloud service we're gonna get rid of. >> Justin Rexing: How much of us? >> Jamie Rinehart: Great. Everybody go to OneDrive. Awesome. We're, not really gonna get rid of box. >> Justin Rexing: So where's all my stuff? >> Marc Cholewczynski: I need my cloud RAID drive. >> Chris Dechter: So, Jamie, within the Microsoft ecosystem, how many have OneDrive and then you've got SharePoint on premise, and then you
have no idea. Wait, wait, wait. Then you still have the old goofball, you know, warehouse shared drive that somebody created 27 years ago and is still floating around out there. >> Justin Rexing: I'll be honest, we have all that map drives. Yeah. When I click on files that are not on my computer, I have no idea what actual application I'm accessing. Is this OneDrive? >> Marc Cholewczynski: Is this Keep running on my computer? Stop.
>> Larry Darling: It's. >> Jamie Rinehart: Here's the key. >> Larry Darling: Other laptop. >> Jamie Rinehart: If you have to multi factor in order to view it, it's not on your computer. >> Justin Rexing: Correct. I don't. >> Jamie Rinehart: Because I'm getting real tired of that too. Here, look at this thing. I had a multi factor to look at a spreadsheet that I, I created. >> Justin Rexing: Can you just check? That box Sundays for next 60 days at least.
>> Chris Dechter: No, you don't sound like a huge security hole. >> Justin Rexing: We have that. >> Jamie Rinehart: Well, no, I have some things. It never works. M. It does. It says don't check in for 30 days or whatever or continue. And every time. Because I switch computers all the time. So every time I move, I get a new. >> Justin Rexing: Well, that's why it doesn't work.
>> Chris Dechter: You don't get to talk about computers because you're. You have two computers with you right now, neither of which own or manage. >> Justin Rexing: My new one is the one I'm you. Yeah, Big surprise. Look at that. And guess what? >> Jamie Rinehart: And it's the only one that works. >> Justin Rexing: And it's the. And it's working. My audio sounds. It's not. Hey, would you change? No, I didn't change. It's. Everything is.
>> Chris Dechter: Yeah, it's the same advantage to owning your own computers. Funny how that works. All right, roll out. We'll run another, quick message. >> Justin Rexing: We're done. Oh. >> Chris Dechter: And then we're going to come back and talk about Infocom stuff because that's what we're doing. The AV Super Friends are sponsored by Computer Comforts Incorporated. CCI has been building tech for furniture for the education market since
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>> Larry Darling: It was hilarious seeing people take them and just stare at them. >> Marc Cholewczynski: They're like, oh, this is cool. How am I gonna get back that. >> Jamie Rinehart: That was. That Quickly came into everyone. And even they sat there and went. >> Chris Dechter: Oh, well, to be fair, I think most of their, Most of their, they got regional shows where people drive in, so. Yeah, but. And I didn't pick one up. >> Jamie Rinehart: Did you pick one up?
>> Larry Darling: I, I wanted to. >> Chris Dechter: I put one in many people's bags. >> Marc Cholewczynski: People are still being held at the airport. >> Jamie Rinehart: He was just standing in line, slipping it in their jacket pocket. >> Chris Dechter: all right, let's, see, what are we doing here? Oh, where are we? >> Jamie Rinehart: You guys selling? Market. >> Marc Cholewczynski: We're looking for stuff.
>> Chris Dechter: Hold on. It's m. Time for topic one. >> Larry Darling: Oh, yes. >> Chris Dechter: Topic one starts now. >> Justin Rexing: We have. >> Chris Dechter: Because that annoys the crap out of you guys. So I keep doing it. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah. All right. Everything now. >> Justin Rexing: Why not? >> Chris Dechter: I got so many buttons. I got buttons. >> Jamie Rinehart: I got nothing to do.
>> Chris Dechter: So let's just give them something. This was your suggestion because Mark was not at Infocom, and Mark said, okay, I'm not going to be there. So let's talk about afterwards. Tell me why I should have been. What's the thing I missed? What's the thing I need to buy? What was that? >> Marc Cholewczynski: What's the thing that, for me? >> Chris Dechter: What did I miss? What would have been the big item for Mark?
And we all have an item or items that are going to be kind of like, this is why you should have been there. You would have really liked this thing, this service, this whatever. So widget service, all start. Mine is Crestron Cloud IO. >> Jamie Rinehart: All right, next. >> Justin Rexing: Mark wants that problem. >> Chris Dechter: Yeah. >> Marc Cholewczynski: I want cloud stuff to be. I just want it to be better.
>> Chris Dechter: But. >> Jamie Rinehart: Good M news is everybody had cloud. >> Larry Darling: Yeah. >> Jamie Rinehart: And none, of it was better. >> Justin Rexing: Not everybody. >> Chris Dechter: so, yeah. Who wants to start on this one? >> Justin Rexing: Nobody. >> Chris Dechter: Jamie, there's nothing on your list. Justin, I don't. >> Jamie Rinehart: Let's do it. I'll do it. >> Chris Dechter: Okay, Jamie, I gotcha.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Okay. I got a buck. I got a truckload of money. I want. I'm, spending it today. What are we getting? What did you find for me, Jamie? >> Jamie Rinehart: There. There it is. >> Justin Rexing: Silence. >> Jamie Rinehart: Well, I was underwhelmed with most things, so I, I, I did find two things that I thought. I did find two things.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Okay. >> Jamie Rinehart: One of them I cannot speak too intelligently on, but I will bring it up. Is the Net speak AI module that they were talking about. I stopped by the booth to talk to them, like, four times, and every time he had three or four people waiting in line to talk to him. >> Marc Cholewczynski: I heard you guys mention this on one of your morning.
>> Chris Dechter: I thought you meant that you Talked to him three or four times and every time you got more confused? >> Jamie Rinehart: Well, I was, I was completely prepared to be confused and baffled and wonder. But, but they were using locally built LLMs and then. But tying it into your service thing and anyway, a glorified chat bot service. That's the like look, this is my dumbed down version. It is probably way better than that. But I know you would have
stood in line to actually talk to them. I went by there three or four times and so yes, I found something that you definitely would have taken the time to stand there and talk. >> Marc Cholewczynski: What does it do for me? >> Larry Darling: We don't. >> Jamie Rinehart: It answers all your questions, Mark. >> Chris Dechter: What doesn't it do? >> Jamie Rinehart: Well, there's. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yes, I'm in.
>> Jamie Rinehart: So you populate it with all of your own. >> Marc Cholewczynski: So it's a local LLM service. >> Jamie Rinehart: Almost. Yes. But it will also parse data like share data from manuals and things. So you can basically create your own troubleshooting thing. and you type in how do I fix this? Or what's four lights on the projector mean? It means call support 2, 3, 5. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Something like this in another product somewhere else already.
>> Jamie Rinehart: It possibly is. And they possibly have some cross promotion again. They were. It was a. One of those little bitty like seven by seven booth. They were hopping and it was one person there and I should have just been the LLM. >> Marc Cholewczynski: There should have been nobody. >> Jamie Rinehart: I was like why can't. And everybody that talked to him was super nerd. yeah.
>> Justin Rexing: Why can't the application answer your questions? Jamie, like walk up to it. >> Larry Darling: Oh good. >> Jamie Rinehart: I couldn't even get that far into the booth. There was three or four people there and everybody had like a 30 minute conversation. I'm like holy crap. But I really think that's what you would have gone and seen and probably back to. >> Marc Cholewczynski: I'd still be in line for. Is that you're telling me you would have waited?
>> Jamie Rinehart: I. I couldn't do it anymore. ADD kicked in and I was off. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Okay. >> Jamie Rinehart: So. But I do think that the Net speak now things that I actually talked to that I think would It's a widget though. You don't like widgets now? >> Marc Cholewczynski: sometimes. >> Jamie Rinehart: But Visionary did have. They added USBC to all of. They added it like several products like legit usbc. so they have a new transmitter box.
I did, I did a Perspectives. >> Marc Cholewczynski: On it, whatever that thing is. >> Chris Dechter: Yeah, you did perspectives on it. That published today. >> Jamie Rinehart: Published today. I did a project. >> Marc Cholewczynski: I asked about it. >> Chris Dechter: Listening to the stream and, and go listen to that, then come back. >> Jamie Rinehart: And then come back, we'll be gone. Because I did. It was a great
perspectives. I mean, Mark, you should have already listened to it twice. yes, but, but I think it fits into some of, some of your thoughts of. Okay, it's AV over ip. So if I have to use a spigot in a tube, it's AV over ip and it's one, it has a one connector. Well, two. >> Marc Cholewczynski: It's like that, the new bridge. I mean I, I saw the announcement for this device and I think I, I shouted out to you guys, like, guys, you have to go see what the hell is going on here.
But it didn't. Like I saw the announcement and it didn't come from visionary. It was like somebody else. >> Jamie Rinehart: It's somebody else and they still have it on their website. And things I found interesting is that it isn't. It is an IO USB C with power, with data, with. I mean it's got the whole gamut and you can mix and match. So if you want to send it a DANTE stream from some other thing, it turns that into its, you know, captured
the audio, which is. If you want to grab webcams, if you want to whatever it is, then you get to do that and it's, it spits out two streams of video. Now I could be wrong. This was remembrance of my conversations with them. They also have wall plates, so they have put USB C on their decoders as well. So now you can not only get normal HDMI video to a display, but it also had IO USB C. So you can now put something on the endpoint as well and get them to matrix end. None of this
is on the website. I haven't seen the actual manual, but the products there, I think in your world of moving to, you know, bring your, you know, spigots and tubes are not a thing, but they kind of still have to be. >> Marc Cholewczynski: There's going to be a world where you have to do some kind of bridge somewhere, you know, and your computer or somebody else's, you still need that bridge.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Now the, the, the little transmission bridge, it is a little pricey, but it is essentially a USB C dock and it converts it straight to AV over ip and you can do whatever you want with it at that point, pipe it wherever you want to go. so I thought that was really interesting. and I thought that was something that you might be. It's like, okay, finally we're seeing USB C used. If you use an external power Supply. You can even power your laptops or your device. M
Otherwise POE only. But those two things that were screaming Mark. And I'm sorry I didn't get to go talk to the AI guys because you would have waited for them. But I am not you what? And I moved on. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Okay, so, I'm gonna pay for some service. And there's a box. >> Justin Rexing: Jamie's auditioning for a sales job at Visionary. >> Larry Darling: Oh, yeah. >> Marc Cholewczynski: How was the vision? Did you guys stop by there?
>> Justin Rexing: We did an interview. >> Jamie Rinehart: We're supposed to tell Mark what we thought he would enjoy, and I think he'd enjoy that. >> Larry Darling: Well, I was going to do the same thing. Like, I went, seeing as if I was Mark, not failed miserably. Like, there's no cool cloud stuff that I like, no software. And so I've said, screw it. I'm going to sell you on what I thought was cool.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Now, Larry, when we, you and I went to several places and talk cloud with people and we were asking Mark kind of questions, we tried, and. >> Larry Darling: It was not a good experience. >> Jamie Rinehart: No. And like, I don't even know what kind of question I'm asking, but this sounds like it would come out of Mark's mouth. And they all, with the BIAM guy. >> Chris Dechter: Basically use the phrase. Did you use the phrase big data story?
>> Larry Darling: Yes, over and over again. >> Marc Cholewczynski: See? Yes. I, got you guys trained, and. >> Jamie Rinehart: Larry and I are standing there talking to one of the developers and we're like, so does it do this thing? And he's like, you two need to leave. >> Larry Darling: Yeah. And so we left. >> Marc Cholewczynski: I would have gotten kicked out of. >> Jamie Rinehart: It's like, I'm tired of asking your questions. I'm like, okay.
But so I'm with. See, Larry and I, we tried and we were. We were together and asking Mark questions and failed miserably. Sorry, Larry. I just want to make sure I was on your side. >> Larry Darling: No, I. We are in complete agreement here. So at least you tried to, like, figure out, okay, what would Mark be interested in? I'm not that worried about it, so screw it. >> Larry Darling: I decided that I went there looking for oracast and Mark needs to buy more boxes
for his campus. Every room needs more boxes. That's just what he needs. And so at first I was going to, like, sell you on Williams Sound. They are Williams av. They had a decent solution. But at the very last part of the show, as we were going on stage for the Avixa TV thing, Jamie asked me, have you checked out BET ear B E T T E A R I did not even know they were there or what they were doing. Check them out. It's a name. but I had to explain it.
>> Jamie Rinehart: To him like, so, like, dude. No, it's. It's Bets Ear. Like, better betier. And he's like, I don't. >> Chris Dechter: Yeah. Do they pronounce it bettier Better? What are they? >> Larry Darling: What's the Betier is. >> Justin Rexing: How are they French? Like betier. >> Larry Darling: No, it's not Betty Air. >> Marc Cholewczynski: But it was our. Anyway, it was our cast. >> Larry Darling: Yes, it is orcas there, but it's
more of a Orcast. Whole ecosystem, like Williams AV is basically like, this is listening assist. As products are developed. Like, it will work with. With your cell phones, with your hearing aids. Like, they're. They're in that market. >> Justin Rexing: I know what it is. Better ear. >> Larry Darling: No, Better ear. >> Jamie Rinehart: Yes. >> Justin Rexing: I just figured it out. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Nice. >> Jamie Rinehart: Yes, that's what it supposed.
>> Justin Rexing: I'm so smart, Larry. >> Chris Dechter: What? >> Jamie Rinehart: Tell me more. >> Larry Darling: Okay. >> Jamie Rinehart: It's an ecosystem. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah. Okay, so are they selling all a bunch of little widgets here? >> Larry Darling: Well, they have the big widget, the transmitter, that's the same as everybody else. It's like, yeah, whatever,
that's fine. But then there's two other parts that can go with it, the receivers, which, you know, everybody sells their own receiver, but these actually work independently as transmitters as well. And they do some transcription, some other stuff. But for like your campus tours, all of a sudden, I can take one transmitter and a couple receivers and do mix and match a mobile solution.
So I thought that was really interesting. Like, that was a way of using that same piece that once everybody has their own solutions, it's still going to be useful, naturally. >> Marc Cholewczynski: When are we going to see, like, the handheld stuff and are like, actually open up on phones and earbuds? Where are we at on this? Like, we've been talking. >> Justin Rexing: No one knows here now no one knows. >> Larry Darling: Depends which manufacturer you're talking to. we,
me and Jamie had this. Whoever is the closest in a couple of places, and some manufacturers saying it's not ready yet, so we're not pushing it. And others are saying it's there right now and you can go use it. I tend to not believe. >> Chris Dechter: Well, but Mark, your question is, I think if I understood you correctly, your question is when are we gonna see that on the devices people already have in their own pockets? >> Marc Cholewczynski: Because that's what.
>> Chris Dechter: That's what. We don't need another device to listen to that. Which is the huge. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Right now we're just swapping hardware. One player, all of them. >> Jamie Rinehart: All the People we kind of asked that to. To see if there was like any engineering side, like are you hearing any scuttle? And all of them had the same answers. Like, well, whenever Google and Apple decide to do it.
>> Larry Darling: Yeah, like their stuff's ready. It's the other chips. >> Marc Cholewczynski: What if they don't? >> Jamie Rinehart: Then it's all a bunch of hype for. >> Larry Darling: Yeah, nothing. >> Marc Cholewczynski: That world will suck. Okay, let's not go there. Let's pretend that they're coming. In the next six weeks, we're gonna have them. >> Larry Darling: Yeah. Okay. So we have the receivers that also
work as transmitters. The other interesting piece that they have is they have this. It looks like a touch panel, but it's a B pass. It actually adds encryption to the transmission as well. So I, I've got some meetings on campus that the. Any wireless audio transmission devices require encryption for those meetings. >> Justin Rexing: You have to buy touch panels. >> Marc Cholewczynski: So naturally scan it in front of the thing. What's how.
>> Larry Darling: It's got like a QR code, some other stuff like you can you connect to the stream through that? Otherwise the Oracast transmissions do not not appear on your device. >> Marc Cholewczynski: So it's like the pin code on your Apple TV thing. You gotta like verify yourself. >> Chris Dechter: Sennheiser does something similar, but on their older system. But it's not oracast.
>> Larry Darling: Yeah. And that's the thing. Like I hadn't seen that in Oracast yet and I knew I have certain applications on campus where that's a requirement and I didn't want to have multiple solutions out there. So this was interesting that they have that as part of their offering. So again, you're not interested in it, but I went looking for oracles.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: well, I think we all are a little bit interested. I think there's a part of me that wants the, our cast story to be as good and as prolific as we want it to be. So I think anything in that, the potential is there. Yeah, I really want that, that horse to win this race. But right now I guess they're still trying to build the track to run on. >> Larry Darling: Yeah, it's. The horse is not running yet. >> Justin Rexing: It's. It's like thinking about running.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Oh. it'll be a. It'll be something that's. That's unrelated. It'll be a concert environment. It will be, it will be driven. It will be driven by some, some other event system. And then all of a sudden and it'll probably be like an Apple event thing where it's also. Hey now you can watch our brand new Movie with your Googles and your goggles. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Some prize fight somewhere. Ye to be some.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Something like that or a silent disco where now it's cool, but someone will. >> Chris Dechter: Sue the pants off of Apple and they'll eventually just release it. Because my understanding work is the newest device. Yes. The newest devices over the last two years. Galaxy, Apple, Android, all that stuff. The chip sets apparently already support this, so it's a matter of unlocking it in firmware. Yeah. but I'm sure there are because it's another radio, it's another
FCC sort of thing. So I'm sure there's all sorts of hurdles to get over and it's the only reason they haven't done it is because they haven't crossed all their T's and dot all their eyes. And I'm sure it's a very complex legal and engineering process. But that's. That's what's going to determine the
winner on this is when the devices that the students. I'm, just thinking from my perspective, the device the students already have in their pockets support this without needing another device, then that'll be the winner. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yep. >> Chris Dechter: Or that'll be the timeless winner. >> Marc Cholewczynski: So now I have USB C BYOD via this new AV
over ip. I've outsourced my entire support desk, this LLM that Jamie's got me installed, and I'm going to do our cast via this better ear widget that's going to get me. >> Justin Rexing: So you're buying everything? >> Jamie Rinehart: I didn't sell you the LLM. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Oh, I want that. You're gonna give to me free if. >> Jamie Rinehart: I buy all this stuff? This is a consultation. Like I. I think you should investigate.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: I need to upsell me on that because I'm really interested in like having that be my support desk. I think really close. >> Jamie Rinehart: Yeah, but. But, yeah, sure. Like and like a true consultant. I didn't talk to the people. I just told you it existed. >> Marc Cholewczynski: It should work. It should work. >> Jamie Rinehart: It should try. >> Larry Darling: Let me to make sure it works. >> Jamie Rinehart: It's fine. It's just go.
>> Justin Rexing: Yeah. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Okay. So we're close. We. You can see the new classroom environments coming into shape here. We got some ADA stuff in there. We got this new bring your own everything on USB and the computer's gonna tell you how to do it. Okay. What else? What else do I need to stitch this whole thing together? Justin, what do you got for me?
>> Justin Rexing: So how would you like the ability to sketch something out like a schematic or rack elevation and take a picture of it and Upload it to your little pocket phone there and it prints you out like a whole CAD file that you could present to someone. And then that same application, after you use those plugins, let's say you wanted to do kind of what Jamie was talking about. There's a lot of software pieces out there, you know, replace your help desk. It could also do
that. And it could also, let's say if you wanted to upload all your CTSD and I information and PMP and AQAB certification information and the whole AV9000 checklist for commissioning, and then you can create like a little mini mark in your pocket that knows all this stuff and then bring it out and then tap
something and then the answer is right there. And then that same application, let's say you're one around in Kroger and you forgot where you were there for and you end up with like 12 cases of Cayman Jack in your cart. And like, oh shit, what do I really need? That thing can help with that too. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Is it connected to my refrigerator at home? >> Justin Rexing: And you can also connect to your refrigerator to report what you are.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Actually you can only fit 11 cases. You can't do the whole 12. >> Justin Rexing: And then you can upload all your projects and where they stand. And then at any point, any time, you wake up at 2:00am, like, oh, shit, run me a project report list. And it just goes. And then it tells you all your to do items so you can start working at 3am Would that be of interest to you? Mark? >> Marc Cholewczynski: It sounds like you just did like a chat GPT,
like connected software. Because you got it's, it's doing everything. Yes, I'm interested. Tell me. >> Justin Rexing: I'm selling you AI. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah, yeah. Is this a thing? >> Justin Rexing: It is a thing. I'm actually testing it. The the only thing I haven't got working really well is most of it. No. >> Marc Cholewczynski: So let me recap here. So this.
>> Chris Dechter: Okay. >> Marc Cholewczynski: This you started with line drawings and schematics. >> Justin Rexing: Sure. True. >> Chris Dechter: Okay. >> Justin Rexing: Like napkin CAD to official. >> Marc Cholewczynski: So napkin cad. The pencil cad. Pencil cad. The real cad. Then you had a cell phone piece brought into this a little bit. >> Justin Rexing: Well, it's still a cell phone. You're still using the cell phone.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: It sounded like it's got like a fair amount of project management. >> Justin Rexing: Yeah. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Slash, cloud connected widgetry wrangler. >> Justin Rexing: Yeah, yeah. >> Marc Cholewczynski: And list service of sorts. Slash reminders. >> Justin Rexing: It can PM your life. >> Marc Cholewczynski: I'm in. Let's go. It is who. What is this thing? >> Chris Dechter: You know, what is this thing you.
>> Justin Rexing: Buy, you subscribe to Chat GPT, and then you buy a bunch of other widgets and. And then you, you start inputting all of your data into it, and then you start framing it the way you talk, you know. And so this is all the stuff that I learned. >> Chris Dechter: Yeah. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Because. Yeah, you did. You were on the AI Evangelist. >> Justin Rexing: I was on the AI tour to kind of say, hey,
you know, and how this whole. I learned that going into it, I was pretty much right. But it opened up my eyes to a different way of thinking about what AI is out there. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Good. >> Justin Rexing: So likes on the shelf, more intelligent AI, camera AI, microphone AI. It's like, kind of like B.S. right, though true AI, which is what everybody was talking about, which is what we talked about about on the Avixa TV thing, how to use AI engines better. So, yeah,
it's, There's. There's tools out there. The only thing that haven't got working perfectly. Because what this, what these applications really want you to do is going back to the napkin CAD thing. it wants to create like 3D models of stuff for like 3D printers. So you have to like. >> Marc Cholewczynski: No, I want to make 3D models change three dimensional. >> Justin Rexing: What it's really doing to do more 2D CAD stuff for AV. But
it's, it's got a lot of potential. Print pal, swap, AI. >> Marc Cholewczynski: yeah. So what were your favorite AI agency tools that you felt work well with GPT or other? So, like this. This is the one. This tool is, Is the one Mark needs specifically. >> Justin Rexing: I'm in the middle. >> Marc Cholewczynski: I'm always looking for an AI tool. >> Justin Rexing: Yeah, I'm. I'm in the middle of print PAL and CAD
GPT. And it's. >> Marc Cholewczynski: It's getting GPT. >> Justin Rexing: Yeah, it's a thing. CAD GPT. it speeds up the CAD workflows. It's like a CAD plugin. It's not. >> Jamie Rinehart: Mark doesn't make drawings. >> Justin Rexing: It's not by Autodesk. But I still have to. It's. It's not like I can think it and the drawing happens. It's not there yet. >> Marc Cholewczynski: What I know I can think and call you and make it happen. So, I mean, it's just as good.
>> Larry Darling: Yeah. It's been two weeks. Like have. Has it actually saved you any time on your drawings? >> Justin Rexing: It saved. On my drawings, yeah. It's probably increased time right now. >> Jamie Rinehart: There is a curve. >> Justin Rexing: But everything else. But everything else. It saved a lot of time, but I haven't worked on it for two weeks, weeks solid. I've been doing other.
So it's why I've spent a. >> Jamie Rinehart: Probably this is your priority. That was your summer project. >> Justin Rexing: I know I probably spent two hours on it so far. And I'm like, oh, this is, this is not exactly the way I wanted it to go. So I've got to like find time to dive in deeper. >> Marc Cholewczynski: But I can will this thing active, help me deploy my new endpoints that Jamie has sold me. My LLM M that I've purchased. It could sells me on it.
And the Aura cast thing, is it going to give me the ability to like upload all those like how to documents? And it spit out like a. At least, at least like a configuration manual for me. I can then like call Rexing and say hey, I gotta install 27 of these rooms that are built. >> Justin Rexing: It actually helped me write an SOP for how, one of my guys, very low technical expertise. How to just basically troubleshoot an AV over IP system. Like do the very basic steps until you can call.
It's actually helping me train my staff differently. Well, besides reboot. It's a little deeper than reboot the damn switch. so I can train my staff differently to increase resources. And that's what we're going to do. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Is that's the game. >> Justin Rexing: My business, my goal for my business is to never have a help desk and to have a fully facing AI help desk that takes.
>> Chris Dechter: That keeps your customer costs low. You just don't answer the phone. >> Larry Darling: Yeah. >> Chris Dechter: Yeah. >> Marc Cholewczynski: So you're going all in on AI and support and productivity and all that stuff. >> Justin Rexing: Yes. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Agencies. >> Justin Rexing: I'm not really caring about the AI products anymore. Right. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah. I mean they were never going to be AI products.
>> Justin Rexing: They're not service. >> Chris Dechter: Yeah, well, it's about the end result. It's about the product that you get out of these, not the product you're purchasing, buying service, whatever it is. But it's many of them just, I think what you're. What you're finding. Many of them have to be kind of customized and they have to kind of learn your processes before they are really. >> Justin Rexing: You have to really be patient with this. Like that's what I've
learned is this stuff. like don't think that you're going to start using any AI application and just type some in and get back what you want. It's not going to happen. >> Marc Cholewczynski: You can type some, get some back. >> Jamie Rinehart: It's going to ruining everything. >> Justin Rexing: It's. >> Jamie Rinehart: It just needs to be smart. >> Justin Rexing: It's taken some time. Like it took me
a freaking week. Like I don't know why this stupid chat GBT is doing this, but I'll upload a bill of materials and I'll say, okay, lock this in. We need to review it later. We got to create the scope of work. Scope of works created pretty well. Got some edits and some changes. The bill of materials. Relist the full bill of materials. Where is my speakers and my amps, dude? It's like, oh, my bad. Sorry. I, forgot. I'm like, what do you mean you forgot them? like, put them back, and then.
>> Jamie Rinehart: You have to go back and AI or al. >> Marc Cholewczynski: I mean, just. We made a prompt that did a lot of this stuff. >> Justin Rexing: That prompt is not. No, no, that prompt is not. It's so what I found, but. But it's not. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Here we are. >> Justin Rexing: So the better way to do it is work with the prompt, but then create a formal word
document. The way everything needs to look like this son of a. Will forget to put dollar signs on my pricing. I'm like, you guys really need to get your act together. Whoever's in this doing whatever, we need to pick it up. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Six guys that are. >> Justin Rexing: We got to pick it up. It's not. >> Jamie Rinehart: Whichever hacker is out there doing this needs to get better. >> Justin Rexing: You, guys need to shape up, because leaving
dollar signs off pricing is not acceptable. But it's just little things, like, you have to. Oh, my God, you have to be so patient with it when you. When you get your list of materials. No, it's. >> Marc Cholewczynski: I want to buy this. He's, like, trying to talk me out of it. >> Justin Rexing: It's the material list. >> Chris Dechter: Why is it. >> Justin Rexing: There's something I'm doing, I guess when I'm building my material list, like, it'll just. It'll.
It'll f. With me. It'll mess with me. It'll say, oh, we're just going to leave off this little Q. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Why you up? >> Jamie Rinehart: That's the problem. Every so often remove. >> Justin Rexing: And so what I've done is, okay, relist the material list, but it better be over $46,000 and not a cent below that, because it'll come back and list. Oh, yeah. Here's your total price. 15 grand. I'm like, where is the half of my system?
>> Larry Darling: You didn't need that. >> Marc Cholewczynski: I feel like your sequencing might be out on this a little bit. >> Justin Rexing: Something I'm working on first. It's, But. >> Chris Dechter: So, Justin, what you're saying is these show potential, but they're not ready for prime time. >> Justin Rexing: They're. >> Jamie Rinehart: They need. >> Justin Rexing: Don't expect it to be prime time
right away. It's getting I've been working on it for. Well, since Infocom. Just the stupid bill material. >> Chris Dechter: Two hours. >> Justin Rexing: On this one project, for two hours on this one material list. But to just create a template and a standard way of showing things in the same manner every time, just be consistent. >> Marc Cholewczynski: If you had that, would you know what success looks like if you had in your hand?
>> Justin Rexing: Yeah, because it would match the last one that I've had. And it's not. >> Chris Dechter: That's. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Don't just let it have that one. >> Justin Rexing: I was like, go rec. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Withholding AI and then it comes back. >> Justin Rexing: It's like, oh, yeah, I'm sorry, Justin. That's my fault. I'm like, no, I need to understand why you're leaving this off so I can fix you.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: That's not. >> Larry Darling: You don't have audio in all your systems. >> Justin Rexing: It knows all those pictures this week. >> Jamie Rinehart: Can I. I put those. Can I interest you in this thing from Amazon? >> Justin Rexing: What a speaker. >> Jamie Rinehart: That'S your next bill of materials gonna have? >> Marc Cholewczynski: Oh, yeah. >> Justin Rexing: Oh. So yeah. That's my experience with all of that. It's.
But it is saving me time. A couple things that I'm deep diving into that are not really working out, but overall it has saved me time. >> Chris Dechter: So for those of you listening right now to either the live stream. >> Justin Rexing: Did I sell you on that? >> Chris Dechter: Well, hold on. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Absolutely. Let's go. >> Chris Dechter: Let me sell you on something else. >> Marc Cholewczynski: I'm not sure what it was.
>> Chris Dechter: For those of you listening to the live stream or to this. To the recording of this later. We are doing a presentation at the ETC conference in North Carolina at NC State in October on this very topic called AV Design by AI. It's faster, cheaper and possibly coming for your job. We're going to talk about these tools, the tools that are out there, what works, what doesn't, how to use them. We're going to go through all that and we're going to do
that live. We're going to have, you know, we're going to just bring up the screen and demo it as we go through these. So these. >> Justin Rexing: I'm right in the middle of all of it, right? >> Chris Dechter: Yes. So this is something we're all exploring. >> Marc Cholewczynski: I think everybody's. >> Chris Dechter: We are going to be presenting on this at the ETC Conference in, In October. So join us at the conference and
we'll show you what we're doing on this. Because I update you on my workflo those. >> Justin Rexing: Yeah, we'll update you on my struggles and what has been successful. >> Marc Cholewczynski: The takeaway I've heard here is that you don't necessarily have to go all in with one of like the. The big boy packages that have embedded AI. You can do a lot of this
yourself and put this together. Justin's is. Is fumbling his way through and explaining is that you can do this with like GPT and smother like off the shelf tools and train them accordingly and build some of your own agency in there and not have to buy the sticker shock. >> Jamie Rinehart: Can you share his like once he gets this per perfected. >> Justin Rexing: It finally happened today. I finally got one project. >> Jamie Rinehart: Once he kind of gets it down to reliable.
>> Justin Rexing: Yeah. >> Jamie Rinehart: can you. Can he share that like can he share that model out? Can you. >> Justin Rexing: Well yeah, it's mine. I created it. I can do whatever I want with it. >> Jamie Rinehart: Yeah but. But I. Then, then you just. How do you share that? This is a whole thing. We're selling you products.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: I want to see the. The document in a formatting and everything done and completed thing because then I'll just use it for. >> Chris Dechter: What you're asking is can other people. >> Jamie Rinehart: How do I use his thing? >> Justin Rexing: I send it to you via email with the prompt. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Give me with the prompt so. >> Jamie Rinehart: So I can access to your entire time out.
>> Justin Rexing: Let's rewind the prompting. I went something I learned, Mark. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yes. >> Justin Rexing: Prompting is not always the answer because what you want it to do, you want it to talk to you like a human. So it's better that you just type in the way you talk and the way you think you prompted at the beginning. And after that you just. >> Marc Cholewczynski: You just go a good prompt will. Will start the conversation.
>> Justin Rexing: But don't keep prompting because I got in a prompt nightmare and it was. It was stupid. It became more stupid. Right. >> Jamie Rinehart: So your language, your language model all of your data set that you put in here that you painstakingly went through. Yes, that. That's what I want. I don't care about the final product. >> Justin Rexing: I want all my projects. >> Jamie Rinehart: I want to use your data set to ah create my own in product because I
could already upload his specs. You've already uploaded things. You've already created this. >> Justin Rexing: I can probably have them create a prompt for everything I've uploaded. Just use them to do the thing that you're asking for. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Get it to export as down to a JSON file which can be moved. >> Justin Rexing: Exactly. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Uploaded and redone.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Well that sounds okay, we can do that. I think we need to dig into this someday. >> Chris Dechter: But. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Okay. But okay. My mom. Justin. Sign me up. It's a store as a service monthly. Right. Because I want to just make sure I'm getting. Paying the maximum amount I can get for this. I want to see any hardware. I just want to be paying. >> Justin Rexing: Are you paying me? >> Chris Dechter: Yeah, sure.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Seven pence per character, whatever it is. >> Justin Rexing: But I'll take it. Chris, that crypto, it could be. >> Jamie Rinehart: I have no idea. >> Marc Cholewczynski: It could be. I'm paying. Yeah, I'm paying. Bitcoin. Hope you guys can take bitcoin. >> Jamie Rinehart: All right. >> Chris Dechter: I've got, two items here and they're related. There's like two versions of
the same thing. and if you recall, before we went to Infocom, I said I was looking for something, that I was looking for this. This exists. I'm glad I did find this. I was looking for something that provides that easy connection for people at the conference table to get to their displays. And we've all talked about the different hubs, the docs, the adapters, the encoders, or whatever. I think
I found one that I. And I need to try it because it's. This was a brand new product, but it seems to tick all the boxes for providing the right connection. And most importantly, a lot of these spaces that I was looking for that are retrofitting are the old video conference ones. People plus content. So there's two like 65 inch displays at the end of the room. And if you think about it, the vast majority of these systems, you plug in your HDMI cable or your USB C cable and you get the same image
on both. And I guess that's kind of okay, but that seems kind of wasteful and not what people are looking for because they. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Codex though, right? You're not taking those out. >> Chris Dechter: This is all based on. On Tanberg system. Yeah, not even the new ones. You have to go find an old Tanberg one. but a lot of the rooms were designed based on that and a lot of the
integrators still build that because they still think that way. That you need the old school people plus content model, which is wrong. Please stop doing that. I like it. But a lot of the spaces that you've talked about recently, Mark, in the last say, year, year and a half, are these kind of streamlined conference room type systems based on room systems of various flavors rooms. So Liberty, of all
people who we know very well, I know those guys. Liberty makes two products that are like, it's kind of like two versions of the same thing. And it is called their, let's see their Team Up M series. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah, the Team up. >> Chris Dechter: And they make a. Both a dual and a single display version. And they make a version that supports MST for USB C, which means multi stream transport. So again if your device supports
this, you get that plug in one cable. It gets you your charging, your audio, your video, your data, your usb, all that stuff and exposes itself as two displays to your laptop. So you can then arrange. You want the same thing on both, you want different things in each. It's just like at your desk where you have two two, two monitors and you
configure that however you want. They make a version that is, that is ah, one display only and they make a version that simply has an internal DA and shows the same thing on both. They also have a version of this that has a local input at the, so it's a transmitter receiver pair at the conference table. And behind the displays they make a version that's designed for a PC to live behind one
of the displays. So it has a local input that picks it up and then can you know, so when you switch to the PC, you get extended display on the displays there, which is pretty slick. The other thing I really like about this because we talk about trying to streamline away from traditional conference, traditional control systems that add a lot of overhead and a lot of
complexity and a lot of troubleshooting. This does both commands via serial and CEC and they are your user selectable and you get to set those triggers. It has a basic web interface. You log in, say so on Hot Plug, detect, turn on the displays, on Hot plug, disconnect, wait 60 seconds, turn off all the displays, that sort of thing.
So again, very basic rudimentary control. But if you think about that sort of experience we've been talking about for the last year, year and a half, four year looking for I want to walk in, I want to plug in my device, or I'm going to wake up the computer and the room's going to do what I need it to do. And when I'm done I just walk away and it shuts off. >> Justin Rexing: It is a cool little gadget. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah. Oh, that's cool. That stuff's clever.
>> Justin Rexing: I do have a question. >> Chris Dechter: This is like that, this is like that clever middleware stuff. It's not a, the big heavy device at the beginning of your system, it's not the big flashy thing at the end. It's that widget town in the middle that solves a lot of problems. And I can see deploying, you know, on all, for all of our campuses, but everyone Listening. You know, probably 20, 30, 40 of these types of spaces in those rooms.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Kind of. >> Chris Dechter: Right. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Scenarios. Yeah, absolutely. >> Chris Dechter: Yeah. >> Marc Cholewczynski: I had a lot of >> Jamie Rinehart: Question mark. >> Justin Rexing: Real. Just real world question similar to what Chris just presented. So this is a real need. So all you listeners out there, if you know of something. I don't think, I don't
think it physically. I haven't done the math on it. So I don't think it can work. >> Chris Dechter: But 12. >> Justin Rexing: I need a device like Chris just described. But I want. I need three desktops out of that one cable. >> Marc Cholewczynski: No you don't. >> Justin Rexing: I've got this. >> Chris Dechter: Don't need that. >> Justin Rexing: I do. I. I've got this special application for
this hospital that. That's what their requirement is. They want one cable and they want three different. No, like three different extended desktops. >> Chris Dechter: So they're gonna bring in like their laptop and they want. >> Justin Rexing: They want one cable and then everything's extended across the wall on three 98 inch TVs. >> Chris Dechter: So I would ask. >> Justin Rexing: It's a workflow thing. It's a whole thing.
>> Chris Dechter: I would ask you this question to ask them. I don't think they have this now. I don't think this exists. I don't think this is something they're coming from. Correct. But I'm saying they don't have what they're describing and they've put it on you to go invent this. >> Justin Rexing: Yeah, I don't think. Well, I'm asking. I'm Crowdsourcing. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Just like give me USBC and then a big giant canvas of like multi. Multi out.
>> Justin Rexing: Yeah. I would be okay with M screen processor. I could do it with 2M USB. Cs is my. I mean obviously that would work. I just. >> Jamie Rinehart: I don't know many that goes into the third. >> Justin Rexing: I don't. I don't. I can't find it anyway. >> Jamie Rinehart: Especially at the resolution. >> Justin Rexing: I think it's a math problem. >> Marc Cholewczynski: What if you think it's three displays and just made it one giant display.
>> Larry Darling: Yeah. >> Chris Dechter: 21 by 9. >> Larry Darling: Seriously? >> Marc Cholewczynski: Or worse. >> Justin Rexing: It doesn't. The room doesn't fit. It actually fits perfectly.398 like side by side bezel to bezel. >> Jamie Rinehart: It sounds to me like that's enough space for one. >> Justin Rexing: I just don't want video wall processor.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: wouldn't it just be a processor in front of that though? Like would that. >> Justin Rexing: I guess I just don't want that. I don't. >> Chris Dechter: Wait, wait. Justin. Here's some Good news. The DisplayPort spec as far as multi stream transport supports up to four Displays on stream M. Good luck finding hard. That will do it. >> Jamie Rinehart: Okay. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Get there. >> Jamie Rinehart: Yeah, hold on a minute.
>> Justin Rexing: So you're saying there's a chance? >> Jamie Rinehart: Sure. >> Chris Dechter: You're telling me there's a chance I'm gonna find it? >> Justin Rexing: I will find. I've got a long time. That's a. It's a big addition to a hospital. A whole floor. it's not for another year, so any manufacturers out there, you can at least sell one of these stupid boxes. >> Jamie Rinehart: If you make it, it's helpful, guaranteed. Get the video, Walt. Don't worry about
it. All right, Mark, so you have to pick one. Oh, pick one. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Chris just like stopped dead. >> Chris Dechter: I was gonna say Justin. The alternative is you put a dock down there that, that does multiple displays. >> Justin Rexing: Yeah. >> Chris Dechter: It does transport like a normal human. And you still get one cable, but. >> Jamie Rinehart: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
So, all right, how about wireless connections? Have you thought about that? >> Chris Dechter: Yeah, let's do it all wirelessly. It's fine. >> Jamie Rinehart: Can we do a click share? >> Justin Rexing: I have. I have goggles. >> Chris Dechter: You want coming off of these things. >> Jamie Rinehart: I'm sure that Mersive will sell you of a lot license for this. >> Justin Rexing: I don't want. I don't want to. No, I don't want to do that.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Just a low, low price of $100,000 a month. >> Marc Cholewczynski: You could have it all. I. If I had to pick one, where could I spend the most money and have nothing to show for it? >> Chris Dechter: AI, obviously. >> Larry Darling: I got an idea. >> Jamie Rinehart: I. Justin will just take that check. >> Justin Rexing: You can get all your bill materials, missing line items. It's like, hey, guess which line items missing this time.
>> Chris Dechter: That's an automated value engineering system. >> Jamie Rinehart: Your. Your invoice will say a dollar and you're. But it was missing. >> Justin Rexing: Like this is looking good. This is looking good. I'm like, you took out the speakers. >> Marc Cholewczynski: God ordered to me. I. I was most intrigued about the. Is the XP5 thing, the liberty thing. Just because I really fascinated by that product. visionary one, you mean?
Yeah, sorry, yes, the visionary XP1. Because that USB and what that. What that represented as the potential disruptor that that was. I really liked what I saw there. though I do have a. A well defined need for the solution that Chris had found in that Team up series. And I always like, that is a real thing. Stupid Chris. But that's. That the Net Speak thing is fascinating. I'm still gonna stand in line for that. And as I wait there, I'll probably hope that I have like some kind of RCAST
device. I have my Pocket so I can listen to the tour that's going on while I'm downloading all the LLMs. >> Jamie Rinehart: Listen to this. >> Marc Cholewczynski: It just is trying to sell me. >> Justin Rexing: It sounds like. Well, sounds like I'm a terrible salesperson. Mark's not using any. >> Larry Darling: I'm trying to sell it down at the end. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah, I had a truck load of money ready
to buy it. Fill your swimming pool up with dollars like Scrooge McNuck style. And then you're. >> Jamie Rinehart: And I was asking you if I could get your language model and you wouldn't even sell it to me. >> Justin Rexing: Yeah, I'll give it to you for free. I'm a terrible salesperson. I don't sell anyway. >> Marc Cholewczynski: All right, that's. That's my order and ranking, so. Sounded like you guys had a good time.
>> Chris Dechter: And except for the food poisoning, three quarters of us. >> Jamie Rinehart: Chris struggled for a little bit there. >> Marc Cholewczynski: That's what I heard. I heard on the morning show my dad was. I was creeping on you guys. It just wasn't there. And so anyway, glad you guys went there. I'm glad you saw some USB maturity and found out that AI is not in every box. It's not going to crawl out of a box of the sentient thing and take over the world.
>> Chris Dechter: There were a lot of AI, like, Justin was describing and, like, what Jamie was talking about. Kind of like a lot of AI services that sure get. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Which is weird. >> Chris Dechter: Get about like, 40 of the way there and then start to kind of like, nebulously wander off. >> Larry Darling: Yeah. >> Chris Dechter: You're like, oh, that's cool. Wait, wait. >> Jamie Rinehart: What the hell? It's like they tried to tie
that package too tight. It's like, hey, we're gonna use AI, but we're only going to use this much of it and made it worse. >> Marc Cholewczynski: I'm proud you guys are talking about big data. >> Larry Darling: We tried. >> Jamie Rinehart: Oh, we attempted. >> Justin Rexing: I'm creating big data over and over. >> Larry Darling: Again, and people just looked at us. >> Justin Rexing: And I have no idea what I'm doing. >> Marc Cholewczynski: all right.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Like, who are you fools asking this question? >> Marc Cholewczynski: Cool. All right. >> Chris Dechter: So, yeah, that's, That's why you should have been there. You could have. You could have gotten all this stuff, too. So I could. >> Marc Cholewczynski: I'm gonna. Probably. >> Chris Dechter: Probably. Yeah. Well, to be fair, I'm pretty sure it was the one where Jamie said that sandwich was mushy and not good. And then I ate one anyway.
>> Justin Rexing: Sausage biscuit. It was a sausage. >> Jamie Rinehart: Yeah, I had it and I skipped. >> Justin Rexing: It and I ate the sandwich at lunch and I'm like, hey, I'm fine. Look at Chris. >> Jamie Rinehart: I had the ham and cheese. You went for the sausage. That was your. >> Chris Dechter: I had a ham and cheese at lunch, too. And that's. I m. May have been that. I don't know. All it takes is one piece of lunch.
>> Jamie Rinehart: That's the one that looked a little sketchy. >> Larry Darling: Yeah. >> Jamie Rinehart: All right, all right. >> Justin Rexing: it was fine for me. I didn't. >> Chris Dechter: Let's. Let's, run another, brand new, commercial here, and then we'll come back. We're going to talk about sustainability. >> Justin Rexing: We got something else to talk about. >> Chris Dechter: We're running long. >> Marc Cholewczynski: We are, right?
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>> Chris Dechter: It's funnel cake. All right, so, whoops, I gotta do this one now, too. Just. >> Jamie Rinehart: Five to seven minutes. >> Marc Cholewczynski: That's the old joke, five to seven. When have we ever done five to seven minutes on anything? >> Chris Dechter: Well, we're gonna do this one short. so this one is a list. This is a listener
email. and I did not check with MC okay being named. So I'll say this is from Sam, who wrote in and said I was listening to your February 26 episode. You're discussing the Zoom announcement about obsolescence. If you recall, we covered this. Zoom announced a whole bunch of, devices that were no longer going to be supported in an upcoming update. >> Marc Cholewczynski: 32 bit stuff. >> Chris Dechter: And I get why they're doing it. At a certain point, you have to cut things
loose. One up. But hey, when we buy stuff, we buy stuff for five, seven, eight, ten years. 15 or 15. Not for, some of the devices on that list were like two or three years old. So not great. Anyway, so back to Sam's email. what I'm not hearing is any thoughts about the sustainability, environment and environmental cost of this? This is a scary development from that perspective in the long term.
at our university, we have the blessing in disguise of a room booking system that does not integrate with Outlook, making teams or Zoom rooms annoying to deal with administratively. It's always been my concern, as you guys discussed, that committing to these platforms makes you very vulnerable, not just to the software hardware vendor, but to their commitment to continue working together. We did some trial. We did trial some early Crestron MTR systems, and it was painful in the
extreme. Yeah, it was painful in the extreme to configure them and keep them running properly. The. The, the concept is great, but the execution remains flawed. It wouldn't be so bad if my MTR or Zoom appliance was a little black box. It was very cheap and easy to replace. Knowing that kept all the peripherals intact. I'd love to hear you guys talk about what sustainability initiatives or standards you're being forced to deal with in your various institutions.
So he raises a good point. If you go all in on teams rooms, Zoom rooms, whatever, and the software Vendor, Microsoft, Zoom, etc. Let's say they come. There's a falling out with Crestron, Extron, Q Sys, whoever it is. Yay. Link Logitech. And suddenly there's like, hey, at a certain point, this box isn't going to work anymore. what does that mean for our. >> Larry Darling: Our.
>> Chris Dechter: You know, we have a lot of physical hardware now. We have to basically throw out e waste, recycle, etc. But what's that do, budget wise? What's that do? Sustainability. And there's an environmental cost of you just e wasting all this crap because very little that stuff actually ever gets recycled. It ends up on boats. They drive it over to China. About halfway through, they dump it. Literally. Look it up. Just recycling is a shame.
>> Justin Rexing: You're in. You're in a, Reactive state of mind like I am all the time on my campus. Everything's proactive. >> Chris Dechter: I'm not buying those things but. >> Justin Rexing: Well that could be the proactive approach. But unfortunately we had to buy whatever and we just react. It's oh, Zoom sends out an email and says these things. Well now we got to react to it and then something else died. You have to react to it. There is no proactive.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: I think we're in the kind of a transitory piece of this to be honest. I do think we'll see more of these, these, these room based scenarios and hardware aligned with that. I think we're just in that transit we haven't seen the best of. And I don't know if we're going to see it tomorrow or it's going to be years out. But I think with that I'm going to call it a promise. But the promise of that it's simplified. Those systems are not going to be as
complex as the things we're looking through the lens of now. You look through your giant mountain of switchers and all this other stuff, that's not what this will be. And I think there is some sweet sweet spot where you do have a cadence that's more acceptable so your install support and kind of you start running a more traditional IT cadence of hardware. it has a four year warranty. >> Chris Dechter: So after four years it has to go.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Maybe, maybe. But if, but if it's more cost effective up front and it's not as much stuff there in the long run like you can accept some of that piece of it. It's not perfect and I think right now it's hard for us to see it because one, we have an experience of reliability and I do share the, the
person's pain with the, the crush on mtrs. I, I've done the same thing and that yes they're a bear to, to get to be stable and it not only that, what it means to your organization, how you manage those, those are not managed by your off the shelf AV person. You have to be completely higher level. Azure, admin, all that stuff and that there's this occupational identity hazards galore when we talk about that. And so I think as an industry we're not where we need to be for this
refresh cycle to actually be where it should be. Now there's a lot we can do because we've done the power management and the kind of the sustainability piece from those things in the past and I think we all should be working better with that. Like what is Our cost, what is our net metering thing? Where are we at? where are all this, where's the energy going? We should be more on top of those pieces and be better stewards of that because we need to be.
And as things are power hungry, we should be monitoring those things. There should be conversations. You're all happening. >> Justin Rexing: There needs to be some type of SLA from us to Microsoft saying hey, we're not going to force a product out for five years because there's nothing stopping Microsoft or Zoom. M saying buy this widget and then in six months go, ah, yeah, we made a mistake. So we can't, we're going to deprecate that
now there's nothing stopping. And you have a thousand rooms, that's a thousand widgets you throw away after six months. There is no stopping that.
>> Jamie Rinehart: I think there's also like the two sides of this is I. When, when these canes first start coming out and I think where a lot of people are falling into this, this was that they bought the Nook, they bought the MTR solution from Crestron where when we started investigating these kind of things they were like, no, you're going to use the same off the shelf Dell hardware, but we need that. But Mark, you ran into this like I want the image, like I want to image it.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Immaculate image is hard to get. >> Jamie Rinehart: So I think that some of the sustainability and some of the, the refresh cycles may be solved by Microsoft saying okay, people are embracing this or Zoom. So here's, here's how you can have the image system and you guys can do these things. I also think what we're going to start seeing too is part of that Microsoft or Zoom or Google License is no longer a per device certification.
now the manufacturers may have to still put some sort of release key on their, their USB stream, whatever that is. But you're going to actually start paying for the like the Microsoft Teams Audio license package to allow you to do other things so that we can plug in some of these devices and not have to throw away the sound bar. Well, if the sound bar registers as a regular audio device, well that's great. But because it's not quote certified, you can buy into our certification pre,
pre approved certification pack. It's going to become monetized. Right. look you, Justin, this, this is going to, he's shaking his head. For those of you listening later, it's absolutely insane. But I think that at some point we're going to start seeing that the manufacturers themselves will start Working with Microsoft themselves because this is just a money grab. Everybody knows it and I think they're
going to find a way around it. I think at some point manufacturing get tired of paying the extra license fees and say screw you, we're out. And but Microsoft say fine, any old, any old USB device will work as long as you have our license. So it'll be interesting. But I see kind of transition too. I don't see a lot of people just buying the Zoom, box, the Logitech Nook. >> Chris Dechter: There's still a lot of that happening.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: There's a lot out there. It depends on what vertical you're in. Certain industries use a lot more than. >> Larry Darling: Others and I think the difference between what Jamie was saying was like all those USB devices, I think yeah, we can do that. We like, we could buy the audio MTR license or whatever for that. But it's whenever we're dealing with a compute, which most of these devices are, that's where the
security aspects come into it. It's not that they're saying oh, we don't feel like supporting that anymore. It's that there's a vulnerability though. We, we're being proactive, we're taking this offline and that's where m, the long. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Term MTR will change the whole way you look at like your computer and the way that that's actually functioning and how your, your
updates and things are managed there. It's, it's a, it's a different animal and it's, it's really not an AV thing, it's really a data and kind of administrator thing. and I think that's where I say it's transitional. I think we're in this weird piece of it that's going to play out over the next five years. It's going
to look much different when we get to there than it is right now. I think we'll see more capacity on the edge and because of that we'll have smarter devices that are not the same stack that we're used to seeing. >> Justin Rexing: I just don't want any more messages from teams or Zoom saying oh well we updated and yeah, you're gonna have to go around and update every camera and that means that you have to take them off the wall and plug them into your laptop and update the firmware to
make that happen. Because that happened. >> Larry Darling: You want to get those, I mean. >> Justin Rexing: Like that's, that total cost of ownership is not worth it. That creates a reactive situation that you can't plan for. That's an emergency situation that just happens and all your rooms are down. >> Larry Darling: But it's going to happen.
>> Chris Dechter: You're absolutely not wrong. And their model for that, Microsoft and Zoom, their model is work with your service provider to do that. Well, in our, we are, are the service provider and we got to do that, get that same level of access or the same level of notification on these things. We still see it even from traditional AV manufacturers. Like oh, we, we told all our dealers that on the 13th. Great. Who cares, who cares what's actually happening now, guys? Oh yeah.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Well, it's a total like support and kind of as a service model that like as you're looking at how you operate, like how do, how are you going to respond to that as the industry shifts more to that, like, what does that mean to your people? What does that mean to like your identity, like your security identity, how you manage this is all different.
>> Chris Dechter: The closest model, the TR you can look at right now into Sam's email, like, what's this do for our sustainability initiatives? Look at how just general workstation PCs are purchased. They're purchased with a finite lifespan. Even though we know that computer is good for 10, 15, 20 years, whatever it is, they're purchased like, no, it's good for four years because you bought the four year plan or okay, for an extra 200
bucks we extend that, does the five year plan. But they know at that point you are, it's not getting any more updates, it's not getting more support. You're pulling that and you are e wasting it out sending it to a, crappy school district in the inner city. And that's the plan. So there really is no like
model beyond that. And that's what they want you to do with your room systems, even to the point where like okay, maybe your speakers and your TV still works, but everything else, pull it and get rid of it every four years. That's the model and it's terrible.
>> Justin Rexing: My point is if, if Microsoft knows that this certain camera needs a firmware update and they push the update and they have the solution and they send a message, why can't they figure out why that team's computer, which is connected via USB to those cameras, which can upload firmware to those cameras from that computer, happen automagically because Microsoft doesn't. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Make any of the stuff. >> Jamie Rinehart: I don't care. They don't.
>> Justin Rexing: That's their problem. To not partner with the manufacturers, that you can't have the finger point. It's a solution. >> Jamie Rinehart: Look, bullshit. >> Justin Rexing: you can't have the finger pointing. They need to work that out. >> Jamie Rinehart: It's a one way relationship. Manufacturers M gave them money, therefore it's over.
>> Justin Rexing: That's M, that's on Microsoft and Zoom. they need to figure that out. That's not on the manufacturer. >> Chris Dechter: I'm sure they'll get right on it. You're not wrong, Justin. But yeah, we know that's not gonna happen. >> Marc Cholewczynski: But I think going back to like. >> Justin Rexing: The spirit, the spirit of download Chat. >> Marc Cholewczynski: GPT step one, understanding kind of like
your capabilities and what you're. You're delivering. What does that cost? What does it really mean? Like not about not the, not money, but time, everything. >> Justin Rexing: Time is important. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yes, you, you may identify yourself as. I'm putting these things in these widgets and these Rube Goldberg things out there to create this capacity. But what is that, what is that service that you're actually doing and understanding that okay, where can you
save? What does it mean? How are you projecting and all that? I think when you start thinking that that's what we've been all talking about, how are we making these more informed decisions? Are our systems smart enough to give us the data so we understand where they are and all that piece? I think these room type scenarios, they do lend themselves really well because when you do get them right, they're all connected and some of that data becomes a little more easy to mine.
and I think everybody should be the better steward. I think overall, like what, what happens downstream when I'm done with this, where does it go? You know, you know, do we have a plan for that? And if maybe you have to be the one that starts it, start putting a plan together at least. >> Chris Dechter: Crappy inner city school district, whatever it. >> Marc Cholewczynski: May be, at least think about it, put it together, put some words around it.
>> Justin Rexing: And it's not even the products. What if they do an update and change the whole UI and you don't know about it and now you get support calls like that. there's not just about the products, it's about uncontrolled change. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Sure there will be. >> Chris Dechter: You saw that with Relay to Microsoft. They're sending out their list of like the following types of PCs are no longer
supported in Windows 11. It worked fine yesterday in Windows 10, but now if I roll to Windows 11, it doesn't work and that's forced obsolescence because, oh, your computer's more than five years old. Get a new one. Nothing wrong with it. Why can't I keep it so m. It's a different. It's a different mindset. >> Marc Cholewczynski: It is, it's a whole different animal. But I think it's not going to change. It's going to probably get worse. Yeah. And so, but at least you can.
>> Chris Dechter: The days of buying a system and knowing you have it for seven to 10 years is pretty much are coming to an end. >> Justin Rexing: Challenge accepted. >> Marc Cholewczynski: 15 year old classrooms running on VGA over there. Come on now. >> Justin Rexing: Oh, we're going to keep everything off the network here. It'll run forever. All right. >> Marc Cholewczynski: All the network.
>> Chris Dechter: So I guess I'm thinking though, if there's somebody out there listening right now who is kind of already moved to that model and treats all your deployed av, commercial AV systems, conference rooms, meeting rooms, huddle spaces, cuddle spaces, classrooms, etc, like you do a computer and you just wholesale throw that stuff away every five years. you know, reach out, let us know
how's that been working. And I don't mean those who simply have recurring funding to put in all new very complex stack of traditional AV like measured out. >> Marc Cholewczynski: This is kind of what we need to do. Here's how we deal. Right here. >> Chris Dechter: We measure that if you've got more than like 50, like yay, link or logitech, MTR is deployed. Reach out because we want to talk to you. >> Jamie Rinehart: Oh, cool. In the meantime.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: In the meantime. >> Chris Dechter: In the meantime we're doing other stuff or you want. >> Justin Rexing: That was more than 10 minutes. >> Marc Cholewczynski: Five to seven. >> Chris Dechter: Five to seven, guaranteed. >> Marc Cholewczynski: That was five to seven minutes. >> Chris Dechter: Can't be beat. I'll run it because again. >> Marc Cholewczynski: So we'll sit here and go through it anyway.
>> Chris Dechter: All right. We'll play the jingle again. We'll all listen to it. >> Marc Cholewczynski: We'll listen to it one more time. >> Chris Dechter: You guys hate it so well, well, we'll be back next, week with some more nonsense. Wait, hold on, wait. Next week is the 4th of July. >> Jamie Rinehart: After that, after. >> Justin Rexing: See you guys. >> Chris Dechter: We're not doing the show next Friday.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: But we may do something show in two weeks. Good to be back, guys. >> Jamie Rinehart: Yeah. >> Chris Dechter: But on July 1st, listen to our, four of July special. >> Justin Rexing: Oh, that's right. >> Chris Dechter: Great. Thanks y' all. Well, we've managed to ruin yet another episode of AV Super
Friends off the rails. You can contact us with questions, topic ideas or General complaints@mailbagvsuperfriends.com if you complain loud enough, we might just invite you on the show. Nice work everyone. >> Justin Rexing: Sharp broadcast. Really good. >> Chris Dechter: Everyone on the floor as well. Really a lot of hustle.
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