This is At the Extremes, beloved. Welcome back to At the Extremes, the podcast where we discuss the extremes in our society and how we got here. As always, we're your host. I'm Greg. It's Judy. And today we're going to be discussing Juneteenth. But before we get into all that, Judy, you get a silver lining for us. I do go for it. Well, first of all, thank you for having me back. The fans have spoken and they would like to see more duty in their lives, so it's really
great to be here this evening. I just came back from a really big high as far as friend trips go. I went to a undisclosed area of the Florida Panhandle on the Gulf of Mexico side. Gulf of Mexico, they say, except that a lot of businesses really took to the whole Gulf of America thing. It was incredibly offensive. It's America, We don't need to get into it. But here's what I'll say in about Florida in general and as a whole. Love your beaches.
Strongly, strongly, strongly. Dislike slash hate your politics, but we had a beautiful time, me and my 2 very best friends from 20 plus years and we just we reconnected and we had solid like quality time together for the first time in a really long time, probably in like a decade or more. It's. Incredibly important too. So good. Good on. You it is and I really, I, I recognized how much I had been lacking that and it was really just a lovely time for such
simple reasons. Like we, we all like, we got along, you know, like we coexisted in the same residence together, like just peacefully and easily. We, you know, we, we were on the beach, we swam in the ocean, we ate good food. We drank a lot of rose, like probably my body weight in rose and we just had the best time. And I cannot wait to do it again next year and all the years that followed because we decided to make it an annual thing.
And I'm just really pleased as punch that that occurred. So shout out to that whole trip and everything about it. And today is 3 whole years since we brought our little Princess home, Ruby Prinkles. She though she was not born today, this is her gotcha day, the day she came, her coming home day, and she has been with us for three whole years and she's looking at me with stars in her eyes and we are obsessed with each other. Well, that's funny because you
took my my silver lining. I just wanted to talk about Ruby. So. Oh. Sorry, but you still can. You can. Talk. Oh, no. I mean, she's a terrorist. She she's my little, my little, my little sweet bird. So I'm glad that she's here with us. But yeah, I know you, you you kind of brought it home with the three years in now. So she's, she's our, she's our little little baby. We got to take her picture out front, in front of the tree. We do. We it's a it's a thing. OK.
All right, fair. Well, I'll, I'll let I'll leave that to you. OK. We'll do. We'll do it tomorrow. Well, now that we've gotten our Silver Linings out the way, let's go take a real quick break When we come back, Berger actually going to discuss a surprise douche can do. We're back. So this week, well, this special episode, this bonus episode bonus owed. Bronus. Bronus we we are going to cover well, the the main story is Juneteenth is this is a holiday
episode. But Judy, I recognize that you you've got a couple of things that you need to get off your chest and it's been a couple of months. So I'm going to turn it over to you for real quick. What do you got? First of all, you can't see me, but I'm shimmying. Oh, I can see you. I'm shimmying. I'm. Shimmying. So I actually put in a special douche canoe request for KKK Caroline. You guessed it. Caroline Leavitt, the White House press secretary. The one and only, yeah.
So yeah, can I start now? Go for it, yeah. So I don't really know where to begin, but I hate her. Well, that's going to be a all right, let me let's start here. Why do you why do you dislike her so much? Like, what is it? I mean, I know why I dislike Caroline Levitt, but why do you dislike Caroline Levitt so much? Let. Me count the ways. Yeah. I mean, like as a woman, I really strongly oppose her views. And that is my own personal plight. But like I recognize. It what's what about her
personal views? Don't. Don't you? Like, oh, she's a trap wife, Sure, big time. I mean, like, as you know, that's that's not my jam. So fundamentally we disagree. But her politics clearly, I mean she is a staunch Republican and big time Trump supporter. She's anti abortion heavily. Like I grew up Catholic blah blah blah. My faith is so important to me. She's a she's she's.
Like I know that you took a little bit of time this week to like look into her a little bit like, so she is Catholic, She grew up Catholic or like what's her, what's her back story? So there's a really long back story, but since you asked about her religion, we can go there first. She's really big into like, family life and her Catholic
education. She went to college at Saint Anselm College in Amherst, NH, where she, I mean, really like pledges, that whole sanctity in of human life, which is a big thing that you hear in the Catholic Church. It also makes me gag a little bit each time I hear it because it's often said by a white man and it's just it's incredibly triggering to be a female and to. Say a man who's never been well, hopefully never been in a sexual
relationship. Or if if they have been in a sexual relationship, hopefully it's been with a woman. Well, you know, I sometimes, sometimes there are deacons in the Catholic Church and they can, they can have wives. But no, you're right. If it were a priest saying that, let's hope not. But but even still, like priests can have lives before and after becoming a priest. So here's the thing. She was quoted saying the issue of life is of the utmost importance.
It is very clear in our constitution. Without the right to life, nothing else matters. And right off the jump, we are a hypocrite. Because here's the thing. Oh, you see? You already know where I'm going. You already know. Are we talking about white lives only, Caroline? I think we are, Yeah. Well, if you're associated with the Trump administration, I have
to assume that that's the case. I am annoyed with her on so many levels but like the way she doesn't answer questions because let's be honest, she doesn't answer questions but sometimes she does, usually if it's a white person. Happened to have noticed that in general, there aren't a lot of like diverse folks in the press room at this point.
In addition to them eliminating like certain news outlets and like limiting people's access, they've also begun this thing called the new media seat where they let like, you know, unqualified folks, Instagram influencers, for instance, to like come in and like sit in that new media seat and you know, like. Tik Tokers. Get a get a crack at things. Yeah, in the press room. So like they they allow for like even like like extreme right wing people. Coming and have a new.
Media seat, Yeah, I've seen that. I've seen that. That's a thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so The thing is, is that she is very like, and her, the beginnings of her, her political career are, are pretty interesting too. So first of all, she is 27 years old. She's 28 this year, but like she graduated in 2019, which is like we were literally in the house that we bought at that point and well into our 30s. So like, I, I look at her and I'm just like, Mar a Lago face. Is that you?
But also like wait. What's Mar a Lago face? We're going to have to put a pin in that and come back to it because we will. We'll come back to that. There's another clip that I can send you if I can, like, fire fingers, like fast enough. But her political journey began when she was in college at that St. Anselm College in New Hampshire that we talked about.
And she interned at Fox News and later in the White House Office of Presidential Correspondence. So she served when she graduated in 2019, she served as assistant press secretary under Kaylee Mcanany, which is like the whitest Mcanny, sorry, which is very white, that name. Kaylee Mcaney was the former she had. She had her job before KKK. Oh, neat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Cool. And she served as the communicate communications director for Representative Elise Stefanik.
Stefanik. Yep. Stefanik. Yep. OK, Sure. Did you want to get into her personal life at all? Or her. Husband. Get into. It I mean, I'm here to listen. Absolutely. Well, you know, her husband's net worth is valued at around 6,000,000, which is a little like, it's kind of small. I thought what? What does he do for a living, do you know? Or well, he is. I believe he's a, he's a real estate developer, Nicholas. Love it. Did she not take his last name?
No, his last name is like Ricchio or something. So she so, OK, hold on real quick. So she's like a trad wife, like I believe in, like the the sanctity of marriage, like traditional women's roles doesn't take her her husband's surname. I don't think she's been married like super long. I didn't I didn't do that deep of a dive on her personal life. But like, I do know that he is 32 years her senior, so I think he's around 59 years old. Interesting. If my math is correct. Yeah.
So, yeah, so it's what's it what what I thought was interesting was there were a couple figures around like her annual salary as the press secretary, 'cause we know that like this party has been purchased, you know, we can also put a pin in that. But her annual salary is estimated to be somewhere in the ballpark of around 180,000 to possibly up to $220,000 a year, which actually in like 2025 economy isn't that much money. But then so husband's net worth is around 6,000,000.
Her estimated net net worth as of 2025 is somewhere between 5 and 10 million. She does bring in. Well. So I, if we did a deeper dive, you know, we'd be able to see that she does some speaking engagement, some book signing. So she's got some additional income coming in as well. Sure. But anyway, so I just, I find her very troubling. I do think that she tells a lot of lies in that press room and I
I think she's an idiot too. She's not very intelligent, although she seems to have the education and the, you know, political accolades as a heavy Trumper to to back her. But I think she's sort of a Ding Dong. So you know. Well, that's funny because, you know, in in anticipation for the show tonight, you sent me over a couple of clips. You are flying on an airplane with your loved ones, which every one of us in this room
has. Do you pray that your plane lands safely and gets you to your destination, or do you pray that the pilot has a certain skin color? Think we all know the answer to that question. And as President Trump said yesterday, it's common sense. I'll, I'll, I'll turn it to you first. I've got my own opinions about that on this Juneteenth episode. No, I actually would like to hear from you first. I've done a lot of talking, sure.
OK, fair enough. What I think about, the last thing I think about is skin colour, and I think that white folks in the MAGA party think way more about like people's sexual orientation their. Race their. Skin colour more than like most. People do. I've never thought about while there's turbulence in the air. Oh my God I hope the pilot's white. What a weird comment. Or that the pilot's black but like why is there man like that? Because she's a racist.
It was such a weird way to say it though, like it's almost like code language bullshit. Is it coded? No, I don't really know what I'm I. Feel like it's just like we're. We're saying any sense? We're saying the quiet part out loud now though. Well. Yeah, but she but she wasn't she was vague and like, was she? Yes, I, I don't know her exact wording. I I would need to hear the clip played again. Let's play it one more time because I think that that that it this, this, that, that, that
it's required at this point. Flying on an airplane with your loved ones, which every one of us in this room has. Do you pray that your plane lands safely and gets you to your destination? Or do you pray that the pilot has a certain skin color? Think we all know? So she said, do you pray that your plane gets there safely or do you pray that your pilot has a certain skin color? And I just don't know anybody who's ever taken a flight who's gone. I hope my pilot's white.
Like, I think that the white MAGA contingent feels like that all of the time. I hope that my bus driver's a white guy. I hope that my trash guy is a white guy. I hope that the people who are working in my fields, like picking food for us are white people. Because that is. Their well, that is how they think, but it was the way that she phrased the question. She said are you praying that your plane lands safely? Yes, everyone does. But, she said. Or are you praying that the
pilot has a certain skin? Color. So it's either your pilot's white and your plane lands safely, or they're black and you crash, or you have a help like or. OK, I guess I didn't hear it exactly that way when I heard it the first time because I was so confused by her choice of language that it was hard to process, like the statement itself.
But then she went on to ramble about like common sense, which is like, that's a thread that like you hear a lot as like a almost like a collusion term, like, like over here, like common sense, common sense. But the way that they're framing it is not the definition of common sense kind of thing. So yeah, like they're just, it's word salad. That's what I'm, that's what I'm reaching for, is that I feel like that was word salad, but almost as if to like, quell anxiety. No, we're not racist.
But actually you are guys, because it's the way that you speak all the time. You're racist. Like it's ingrained in you. We're just looking for qualified individuals. We're not looking for, you know, oh, you know, who needs DEI when you've got qualified white dudes? Not not to look there. There's no one in no one would say anything different. I think when when you're when you're flying on a plane, I don't really give a shit what color you are, what race you
are, what sex you are. I just want to land safely. Why is she worried about it other than being a racist? Well, she's also she's a puppet for propaganda. Like, that's her like little Nicki name. She blames the left for everything. And it sounds just like how Donald Trump immediately points the finger at Joe Biden. Every time something goes wrong and he's held accountable for something or someone points the finger at him, he immediately points it back at someone else.
She does that too. Honestly, during my friend's weekend it came up like, is she sleeping with Donald Trump? Because she really seems to like, lick his balls. Well, let's go ahead and spill the tea, Queen. I'm saying like, I mean, is there not like kind of a weird relationship between the two of them, but also like why are? You starting a conspiracy on this show? Perhaps I am next I'll start a cult. No, no, no. This. This could be like an E, not an E What is it?
Yeah. E like Real Housewives of like Washington, DC, but exclusively for the White House. Her, Melania, They're all like sleeping with Donald, watching his big tubby body slam on top of God. Yam tits. Well, you know, you you also sent over another one that another clip that is that. Yeah, while we're on the subject of how she may or may not feel about specific races, why, why don't we go ahead and play this clip, I mean. Warned that any protests on Saturday would be met with force.
Can you clarify what kind of protest President Trump does support or find acceptable? The president absolutely supports peaceful protests. He supports the First Amendment. He supports the right of Americans to make their voices heard. He does not support violence of any kind. He does not support assaulting law enforcement officers who are simply trying to do their job. It's very clear for the president what he supports and
what he does not. Unfortunately for Democrats, that line has not been made clear. And they've allowed this unrest and this violence to continue, and the president has had to step in. There were peaceful. Protests on Saturday for the military parade. President Trump would allow that. Of course the president supports peaceful protests. What a stupid question. In the president's comments yesterday, though, he just said protesters would be strongly dealt with.
Why is he not out saying all peaceful protesters will be protected? I think two things can be important at the same time. And the president, as I just answered, supports the right of Americans to peacefully protest. He supports the First Amendment, but that is not the majority of the behavior that we have seen taking place in Los Angeles.
We have seen Mom. Let me, I want to stop there real quick because I, I take great issue with this because I've been reading a lot of really good reporting from, from a reporter from, from The Intercept by his name is Nick Terse and he, he's been doing an incredible job on the ground covering what's actually been happening.
Go off, King. And there is nothing more frustrating than reading than reading like what's actually happening versus like hearing like this nightmare scenario that's coming out of the White House where there the entire city of LA is on fire. We covered in the last episode where it's like right, like a couple blocks away there's an active pride parade. Like this is very localized. There was like line dancing in the street.
Peaceful protests and they're out here saying things like, Oh, well, there's violence in the streets. There's cars are being when you send in Marines, the Nash, you federalize the National Guard and then you start beating the, I mean, not the LA police are doing a really good job. I just watched a video before we got on the air where there was Ala police officer. There was a woman who was standing in the middle of the street.
Her arms were up and they just came and just shoved her to the ground, knocked her unconscious, dragged her off of the street, found a woman in a wheelchair, rolled her into protesters. I want to I'll link to it. And it's just like, what are we doing? Like we're talking about peaceful protests against something that is so UN UN American and you have this this this woman who is up there spouting off. Propaganda bullshit coming out of the White House and it is so upsetting.
And she she is a newborn baby as far as life is concerned, but also just, I mean, she licked the balls of Donald Trump from the moment she rolled out of her like, Catholic education protected white life in New England. And I'm just, I'm not here for it, if just to further the rage. I mean, not only does she tell lies on behalf of Yam Tits McGee up there, but like. I like that that you're calling
him Yam tits. I, I can't claim that as my own, but I am going to, I may, I am going to perpetuate it. But she just, she's working for the devil and she knows it. And This is why her net worth has increased and This is why she is just, she shuts down anything that may or may not remotely question like this administration and does not allow for free speech and then tells lies in the face of people. And it's just Fox News all the way. And there's something else that
she said. I mean, she's, she is obviously very pro pro-life apparently, except if it's a black or brown life, obviously, but something that she said. Gay queer life. Correct. Anything other than, you know, white life. White cisgendered individuals. But regarding abortion, she said it's not about women's reproductive rights. It is not about Women's Health, it is about life and protecting
that period. And I think I saw the surface of the sun inside of my irises when I read that because I yes, it is about women's reproductive rights. Yes, the fuck it is about Women's Health, especially people of color who die at exponentially higher rates because of this bullshit, in honor of the woman who whose baby was born to her lifeless body this week in Georgia while her family pulled her off life support just a day or two ago. What the fucking fuck? Yes, it is about that.
But you know what it isn't about? It's not about protecting life, Not at all. And that is why she is the biggest liar of all time. And she is unequivocally her very own douche canoe of this week. Yeah, no, Caroline is. She's a special kind of bootlicker. Caroline Lovett, she defended. This is one of the clips that I found that I sent over to you where she defends the firing of the Librarian of the Library of Congress.
Oh, boy. Carla. Carla Hayden, Yes. Who, by the way, was not only the first African American, but the first woman as well to hold this post so. Yeah, like this is completely, there's no coincidence here. This is this is completely without coincidence question. The president fired the Librarian of Congress. Why did he choose to do that? We felt she did not fit the needs of the American people.
There were quite concerning things that she had done at the Library of Congress in the pursuit of DEI and putting inappropriate books in the library for children. And we don't believe that she was serving the interests of the American taxpayer well. So she has been removed from her position and the president is well within his rights to do that, John. So you're laughing, and I want to know why you're laughing. Talk. Talk to me about why you're laughing about that clue you.
Stupid bitch. Oh boy. Oh, she doesn't know. She doesn't know that the Library of the Librarian of Congress doesn't put, doesn't doesn't doesn't rent books to children. Yeah, the Library of Congress is. It's one of those institutions that is without a preference because it's a library and it belongs to the people of this
country. And when we come back, we're going to talk a little bit about why what she just said there in that last clip is so incredibly consequential, especially when we talk about things like the celebration of Juneteenth. We're back. Oh, my goodness gracious. Well, I, I have to say, after listening to those clips of Caroline, she is a, she is a proper douche canoe. So thank you for bringing that to to the table. She's a twat. I hate that motherfucker.
Let's go ahead and turn to something maybe a bit more celebratory. We're going to start a little bit more on the Caroline Levitt end of things and work our way towards something a little bit nicer. So it's going to start a little darker. We'll end up in the nice spot. But I I wanted to talk about Juneteenth. And for the listeners who are are tuning in, you might feel like, duh, of course we know what this is, blah, blah, blah. But if you don't, here's a real
quick refresher. Juneteenth is significant in American history because, and specifically in the African American history because it is the day that the Union Army made its way to Galveston, TX under the leadership of General Gordon Grandeur. And he announced to the people of Texas that all enslaved African Americans were free.
So this happened, I believe, two years after the Civil War ended and they finally made their way out to Texas and said, hey, listen, folks, you're, you're working in these fields. You're free. You, you, you no longer have to do this from the Smithsonian. With the end of slavery, searching for family members who have been separated or sold away became the focus of many formerly enslaved individuals after the General grantor showed up.
The number of years of separation did not deter people from hoping to reunite with their lost loved ones. Newspaper advertisements, letters and word of mouth were all employed as a part of the search. The hope was that a positive response might lead to a reunion. A family member. So there's a lot of, when you think about just like the general scope of history, right? Like this is a really big
moment, right? Like you've got these people who didn't even know that slavery was over and now we're being told, hey, you're free. Like, oh, and now you can like you can leave this plot of land and just go do whatever you want to do that that's incredibly like, imagine the weight of that, that moment, right? Like probably. Doesn't feel real. It can't, right?
Like, that's I, you know, I try to put, you know, when we went to Rome, I tried to put myself in like the shoes of like Caesar or Nero or like, you know, like, or, or a gladiator who is being dragged through the streets. Like what? Like we're walking through these cobblestone streets. I'm going, Oh my God. Like the amount of history that happened here. Imagine putting yourself in that kind of place where you're just like, all right, now what do I do now? Right.
Like what, what, what do I do now? Juneteenth is often associated with celebrations of a physical emancipation from slavery. It also signaled another type of liberation for the newly freed. Between 1861 and 1900, more than 90 institutions of higher education were founded for Black Americans who could not otherwise attend predominantly white institutions because of segregation laws. These schools and historically blocked colleges and
universities. HBC US, of course, became repositories for African American history, culture and safeguarding generations of memorabilia and documenting the rich history of HBCU traditions. For nearly 4 million mostly illiterate and recently freed African Americans, education was a crucial first step after emancipation to becoming self-sufficient. Learning to read was not only desirable, it was often times necessary to protect their freedoms, find employment, and communicate with separated
family members. It makes me think back a little bit a couple of episodes ago where we were talking about, I think we actually did the straight of the Black History Month. But the idea of like being able to read like the, the whole like grandfathered in thing. Like we were talking about that North Carolina thing, you know, during during Black History Month.
And it was just like, Oh my God, like the amount of like catch up work that was required to get to a place where you could settle a town and make money and and have land and like all this stuff. And people wonder about privilege. That's what's crazy to me. It's like you when you set those scales where they were set at this time, they had so much work to do to catch up to where even the most basic idiot of privilege was at a starting point. And that's fucking insane to think about.
And. Let's also be fair and clear here, right? Like a West Virginia coal miner, you know, indentured servant didn't have like, through their own power and persuasion, a leg up, but they did because they weren't a slave and they could read and they could barter and they had money. And that's not to say that oh, they had it so much better. But when you're not a slave, Oh my God, life looks a whole lot different for you than it does if you don't know how to fucking read.
Reading is such an important piece of being a human being, and to have that stripped from you, like intentionally stripped from you is a really disastrous place to start. It's it's that old adage, right? Knowledge is power. And when you have no knowledge, you literally have no power. That's right. And and there's no way to navigate this world. You're right, like without
immense struggle. And that doesn't mean that the kid in West Virginia who grew up in a coal mining town to drug addicted parents perhaps, or in an in an abusive home. Come back to the 1800s, where, like, they didn't have to worry, like, drugs weren't as much of a problem. It was just like, hey, this is your plot of land. You're going to work it as an indentured servant. But like, in 20 years, you're free from from the land. There was no option for black folks back then, right?
Like, that was not an option. Yeah, so back to our story, though. The first schools and colleges for African Americans were created largely through the support of civic and religious organizations like the Freeman's Bureau, the the American Missionary Association, and the African Meth Methodist Episcopal Church. I went to an AME church when I was a kid. My grandmother on my mom's side, her husband was a part of the
AME church. And if you ever want to go to a church where like just the the music is really, really good and like the people running up and down the aisles and AME churches. I've never heard of an AME church. Yeah, yeah. So the African Episcopal, Methodist Episcopal Church is, it is one of the more memorable experiences of my church upbringing because it was just so the they had a live drummer, they had a live guitar player, everyone was singing like they had. It was incredible from a
performance perspective. Sounds very celebratory. It was it, you know the AME church is very much tied to this period of time, though, right? Like you're talking about people who are coming out of slavery and, and slave songs. You know, the, the whole thing, like that whole period of time is really encapsulated the AME church where it's like, hey, the Lord is going to save us and we're going to do our very best to praise the Lord. Hell yeah.
I don't necessarily agree with the the church's stances on much of anything, but if you want to go see a really good live show, go to an AME church. Thanks for that hot tail. But in 1890, the Second Moral Act required states to establish or provide land grants to create separate colleges for black people in admission to existing institutions was not offered, leading to the expansion of black colleges and universities
throughout the Southern states. There are lots of incredible black institutions all throughout the South. Fucking think about Maryland. We've got Morgan, we've got Coppin. Right, like. Right up the road from each other. Yeah, like, you've got these incredible institutions. Bowie State. Bowie State. I mean, there are plenty of them. I'm forgetting Howard. Yep, Yep.
In DCI. Mean so you've got all these incredible institutions and and you know they're leading to the expansion of black colleges throughout the southern states. The these institutions became places not only of self discovery and enlightenment, but places that helped define what it meant to have and pursue freedom. And that's an incredibly moving part of this story for me. When I was, you know, going back and I was thinking about my family's experiences and thinking about the people who
came before them. And just to think about my my grandmother comes from my great grandmother comes from Opelika, which is just outside of Auburn, but she comes from a slave family. And to think like she was the one who could not read. She could not read from my understanding at least, right? Maybe she could read, but like I, I didn't know her to be a learned person. And from my understanding, my great grandfather on my mom, my grandmother's side was, he was a laborer.
Like that's what he did. He, he picked up shovels, he moved dirt around, you know, to, to go from that place to having the opportunity to, to, to go to university and like to have like what looks like on paper at least, equality. Oh my God, like how? How? Like how? That is generational wealth right there. Yeah, yeah. So when you, I don't know, don't enslave people, they can do good things. As it turns, they are just as capable as anyone else, as it turns out.
Yes and Speaking of anyone who's just as capable as anybody else, Booker T Washington, the founder of the Tuskegee University, describe the establishment of the first goals for black adults and children as an act of quote lifting the veil of ignorance from recently free communities who sought to receive the education that had been barred from them during slavery and entered to a whole new class of paid laborers.
Booker T Washington said this. If you can't read, it's going to be hard to realize dreams and that that's hard to to they conceptualize like you and I grew up in a world where reading is a default. It's a default setting, but it's a default setting for many people in the 21st. Century it was always available, right? We never had. We never had to question it,
not. Once and there are people who who we're going to talk about here in a little bit who grew up in a time where black people reading was seen as a danger. And that's really, really scary because the folks like Caroline Levitt might want to see that return. How about that? So one of the, one of the dreams that, that, that that sits in the hearts of many black Americans during this period of time after General Granger comes to town and, and, and says, hey, look, you're all free.
Now is, is this period of time where they are trying to reach out to find their family members who have been sold or kidnapped during a period of legal enslavement in the United States. Reading would be critical to communicating with the the newly created Friedman's Bureau. The Bureau was created by Congress in 1865 to assist in the political and social reconstruction of post war southern States and to help formally enslaved African Americans transition from slavery to freedom and
citizenship. In the process, the Bureau created millions of records that contain the names and information of hundreds of thousands of people across the United States, including including formerly freed, sorry, formerly enslaved African Americans and those who were free before the Civil War, white Southerners, Northern educators, elected officials and more. Now, I reached out to my dad a couple days ago and I was like, hey, give me great grandma.
Great. Give me great grandma's surname on both sides of the family, and I was able to locate like 10's and thousands of records associated with those last names. To be fair, I did not go through every one of them. It's a lot of work, but it is an incredible critical log of what our history is right. And if you think about it like the Smithsonian is one of those places in American culture where it's not very political, right?
Like when you think about the Smithsonian, you think about the Natural History Museum, you think about all the museums that are downtown in DC, right? And if you are. Free, by the way. Free for all of us because we pay taxes. And it turns out, folks, that when you pay your taxes, they go towards good things. But it's important for our country to recognize that this indeed happened, right? Like that's why these records
exist. And as a result, a significant part of our population can find out where they came from. Well, at least here in the United States, right? Like we can now know all right, well, hey, look, my great grandmother came from OPA. Like there are only four plantations in that immediate area. So let's go ahead and like start to like circle in on that one thing, right? But it's incredibly powerful thing to see your family history show up, right?
Like there are lots of I was listening to a a podcast where there's a a gentleman who was saying white folks, there are some white folks who can go all the way back to the Township that their families from black folks. Unfortunately, in the United States, many of us, myself included, can only go back to what farm we come from. We don't know where we come from. Many of us, a majority of us don't know. And to at least have that one little piece of a record is
really important. And, you know, Juneteenth becomes a holiday in our current environment in 2021, but under the Biden administration and making it the first national holiday that was created since Martin Luther King Junior Day in 1983. In a weird twist. And, and we're about to take a turn to the left, so buckle up.
In a weird twist though, Opal Lee, who's considered to be the grandmother of Juneteenth, walked from Fort Worth, TX to Washington, DC at the age of 89. She walked the entire distance at 89 years old to convince then president President Obama to make it her federal holiday. Sadly, America's youngest national holiday is now caught up though in the crossfires of
raging culture war. Trump has done his best recently to end diversity, equity, inclusion programs and to end funding that goes towards them, including the very fucking funding that goes towards the Smithsonian holding the fucking records of the Freeman's Bureau. It goes towards that.
That federal funding goes towards more than just Black History Month, more than just Juneteenth, but Pride Month, environmental justice agendas, Women's History Month, you know, any program that might go towards providing assistance towards communities that have been largely ignored or intentionally excluded in this country. Why do we think that in more recent years in our existence here on Earth for the past 40 years? Whoops. For the past 40 years, we've
been alive, right? And in our lifetime we have seen an insurgence of being taught that these things, these people, these groups are important. We've seen more inclusion, we've seen more diversity. We've seen more equity across groups in our lifetime. We are also watching it be stripped away in our lifetime, in our very short, still very young and youthful lifetime. In a blip in blip of time, right? This is fucking wild.
Yeah, You're seeing something that back in the 1800s that started, they're trying to do their very best to strip funding from because the Smithsonian is participating in, quote, DEI practices by just keeping records. Of real people whose lives exist and whose families still exist, who are equally as qualified as everyone. Else just like the librarian who was fired. Carla Hayden say her name. Carla Hayden. Carla Hayden. Respect. Shout out Carla Hayden. Big ups to Carla.
But the Trump administration has been talking about DEI and quote woke culture as a hindrance to the American culture as it's been called. And many times you hear Trump and and the ones who are like him say things like it's a mind virus, right? Like I've heard Elon Musk say it. Woke mind virus, yes. I've, I've heard that countless amount of times at this point, but you know, can I ask you just for one second, if you could, to put on your white supremacist hat?
No, you cannot. I'm sorry all. Right. Well, let's just have a discussion about this then. What does it mean to be like, what does DEI mean? What does woke mean in the mind of a white supremacist? Like, what does that like? Like if we were both to like, go to a different world in our minds. Like what? Does that look like it's a threat? What do you mean? It's a threat.
They are threatened to what? There is no other explanation for why white supremacy exists other than fragile white men who feel like no one can be above me. Like what? About. But what about the likes of like a Caroline Levitt though? Right? Like who? I don't know that fully buy into this though. You know what I don't? Know that she has freaking. People that you know, that I know who are white women who buy into this kind of shit, it's not just white men like let's, let's
well. Sure, I trigger warning. Yeah, we do know women who participate in this as well. Yeah. I mean, like, we know, we know that in in the most recent election that a majority of black men, a majority of Hispanic men all went towards the right. Like what is it? Majority of black men. I'm sorry, a majority of white men and you saw in a gigantic shift. A big shift in Hispanic men, but not majority black men, no. Yeah, I apologize for for the for the language.
Yeah, you're right. Flying off the handle over there. Get it together. But my question then is like, all right. I can't think from the mindset of a white supremacist, but this is, you know how there's 4 main emotions? Mad, mad, sad, glad and scared. This is scared. That's what fuels all of this. So being scared that someone other than a white person is going to take your job or fly your plane or do this or do that, that's fear. That's scared. That is that's reptilian brain.
And you know what, those of us who have arrived in our emotions and can understand that it is healthy for humans to have differences between one another. We are in our frontal lobe brain. We are we are thinking critically and we are not living in fight or flight or reptilian brain. And sorry to bring brain into it, but. Hashtag all brains matter. All brains matter, and you know, some people are not fully using
theirs. But when you are fully using your brain and you are fully living your life, you're not feeling as angry as these people are and you're not hating on large groups of people and you're not white supremacists. I mean, like, I this isn't woke. This is called compassion and humanity. And many of us are living in
this world. And another reason not to keep throwing her under the bus that I really dislike Caroline Leavitt is that she tells lies also about how many people in this country actually voted for Donald Trump. Because if you want to go down a rabbit hole with me tonight, let's talk about how I don't think that many people actually voted for this, to be honest. Like. You're full of. Conspiracy it is.
It is reeking of conspiracy, like the the way that like all those swing states, we can get into that on another episode. But I'm just making a plug for it back on track. Back on track, I think, you know, one of the things that came to my mind when I was writing this up and it was like, Oh my gosh, like, what? What does it look like to come from like an exclusively white space, right?
And to think about these issues in this way, I can't help but to think that if you are looking at the Trump, the Trump Organization, the Trump administration and their desire and anyone who's around the Trump orbit to eliminate DEI programs and initiatives, you know, just general, you know, good heartedness and like being a good person. I can't help but to think about it through the lens of like, we're just trying to erase your history. Yeah, we want to scrub it clean and make it white.
I mean, we're going. To white literally whitewash as much as we can. Yeah, that's all I can think about. It's. Because we're afraid it's. Believable. Of the demographic shift that's coming. Diversity, diversity is a threat, except it's all so much hypocrisy because y'all fucking came here on a boat. None of you are from here. Like it's just and but I saw OK, so like all of this is is making me recall and I hate when I don't have something in front of me and I'm trying to recall it.
But like this mean it's like, you know, it says all of you who basically these people that we're talking about, but you'll be the first ones like on 23andMe trying to figure out like which type of immigrant you are. Have you? Did you see that this week? I've seen something similar to. That yeah. And it's just like, but it's but that's it's so true, though. Like you are like, I'm so American. I'm, you know, my feet are firmly planted. However, like what you mixed with, you know?
Oh, you're French? Cannot wait to submit that DNA. Right. Yeah, No, you know, actually very funny enough, I I was looking on blue sky and there was a video that was posted of a Native American activist group that I follow and they got arrest, not arrest. They were pulled over. I think it was in Arizona or New Mexico, and the police pulled them over.
They were ICE agents and there was two women in the car and the driver was being very polite, doing like the thing that you're supposed to do. Anyone who's ever been pulled over by the police, who's any person of color, knows this. Like Keep. Your head down. Keep your head down. Do what they say. You have your license, your registration out immediately, Bop bop, bop, you're ready to go. And the passenger start recording the conversation. And they were like, are you guys American?
And they were like, are you American? Because we were here fucking first. Like who's actually American? We're Native American. And they gave them like their Native American like paperwork. And then they were like, oh, go on your way. And they were like the entire time. This woman is berating these ICE officers. Rightfully fucking so. Were they even in uniform or were they just the the unmarked kind as I like to call them? We let's put a pin in that like we.
Another episode there's. There's so much, there's so much material there. But yeah, I, I, I just reflecting back on what you were saying about like real Americans coming in on a boat, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, like. That's interesting. There's just a lot of like that material there. And what I think that to me at least says is like, all right, let's stop thinking about who was first. And let's just all consider each other to be like, I don't know, human beings who deserve fucking
respect because we're here. And what are you going to do? Like, are you going to arrest everybody and throw them out of the country until the country is just exclusively white? We are all like on, we are all on stolen land, right? But like, OK, like we can do land considerations and things like that, like this belong to this Susquehanna. And like I fully acknowledge that piece of it. But like, even if we're to just say like, this is the 21st century. Now that we're here, we're here.
Right, let's just accept the fact that. The whole point, the whole point is to live together. The whole point, the whole point is the melting pot. The whole point is diversity, equity and inclusion. It always has been. That was the founding fathers vision. Sort of. OK, go that far, but OK, well, you know.
But you know, I, I, I think it, it should be noted as a result of all these federal actions, like the, like the things that Caroline Leavitt are saying, the things that Trump has been saying this entire time about getting rid of DEIJE Vance, talking about white replacement. You know, Thomas Rousseau of, of Patriot Front, who talks about having an America for Americans. You've got, you know, countless others that we've talked about
this podcast. It should be, it should be noted, companies that once saw diversity, equity, inclusion as righteous causes have dropped the mask now and have dropped their DEI initiatives with their within their organizations. These are not private firms. These are companies that are traded publicly on the New York Stock Exchange. I'm going to read off a couple for you real quick.
Pepsi, Home Depot, Target, Google, Microsoft, Ford, John Deere, Meta, Amazon, Tesla and unfortunately, because they're tied to federal funding, the National Endowment for the Arts. God damn it. Comply or we're going to sick our dogs after you, Home Depot. We're going to make sure that anybody who doesn't appreciate diversity, equity, inclusion is going to go after you. And that's a really fucking shameful place to be in this country in the 21st century.
And. If you choose not to spend your money at those places, fucking great job folks. That's what I was going to comment on, which is that I think a lot of times in all of this overwhelm with everything that happens and all of these threats of things being stripped from us that we fought so hard as a people to like make a
thing. You know, I, I know I will, I will fight my ass off to keep Juneteenth a federal holiday, to keep Black History Month, to keep Pride month, to keep Women's History Month, Men's History Month, mental health awareness month, all of the fucking months. Like that's important and it. Is it's because representation matters? Absolutely. Representation matters. Diversity matters. It all of it. All of it matters.
Before we take another break, many June tea celebrations are being cancelled all around our country right now, and for many reasons. It's not just because of racism, although you know you could. You could. A lot because racism. A lot of it. Most of it, actually, probably all of it.
A large reason though, right now is due to a lack of funding, but also fear of right wing retaliation, specifically in Bend, OR where community organizers have cancelled this year's celebration due to threats that are racially motivated. There are organizations, and we talked about this in our earlier series, our first series that we did on the Pacific Northwest and racism out there. But the Pacific Northwest is a bastion for white supremacy.
And in Bend, OR there are outsider organizations, Patriot Front as being one of them, who will have already said, hey, if you celebrate Juneteenth, we're coming to your town. And so it's really, really disheartening to hear things like that, right? But in West Virginia, closer to home, the governor refuses to give employees paid days off for this federal holiday because of budget constraints.
I would argue that private firms and state governments and, you know, even local governments are having to make hard decisions. Or it's maybe it's an easier explanation, maybe for them cutting funding to something that they don't see as valuable, like initiatives for celebrating DEI programs. They don't want to put money towards that and support a program that the country that the president has said is ruining our country to extend that further.
Blacks, Browns, women, gays, they're ruining our country and we shouldn't recognize them by putting any money towards something that might ruin our country. According to yeah, evangelical Christian white nationalists. Yeah, and I think the Trump administration falls firmly within that, within that category at this point.
Recall this, though, when Trump got elected, they destroyed the former Black Lives Plaza St. mural just two blocks N through his EO. They're looking to rewrite our history, not acknowledge those who suffered or those who have of those communities that have been seen as equals in the eyes of the law. This is a systematic breakdown of our country's history, the people who inhabit our country.
And to see, even if it's just a symbol today, they renamed all of the former Confederate Army bases back to from their reformed name back to their former names. Oh, fun. So they did that as of today. So Fort Hood, who was celebrating A Confederate soldier, a Confederate general, someone who betrayed his country's oath, Fort Polk, Fort AP Hill, all these, all these forts and bases around the country are being renamed back to their former glory, so to speak.
And while there's a law in place by Congress that you cannot name anything after a Confederate general or a Confederate officer or anything like that, they are finding people with the same last name and just renaming it after them. You if do you know what I'm saying? Like if your last name is Polk, well she fought in the Army at on the island of Iwo Jima and earned a Silver Star versus A4
star Purple Heart awardee. They, so they renamed, just as a real quick example, they renamed Fort Hood back to from Fort Cavazos back to Fort Hood, even though the one guy who they named it after, they renamed it after in Cavazos was a Purple Heart awardee, I think. And also was caught behind enemy lines and fought by himself. And like was like fighting off all these people and, and they decided that that wasn't good enough, that sacrifice for his country wasn't good enough.
If sacrifices don't matter, like apparently not, lives don't matter. Apparently not. Not in any regard. Not in the military, not in not with regards to healthcare, not with regards to FEMA. I mean, don't get me started. But they want us all dead. Yeah, and and you shouldn't be surprised because the cruelty. I mean the point. I mean the.
Cruelty's the point, right? Like that's, that is the whole entire point behind all this is that it is cruelty towards our sensibilities, cruelty towards our bodies, cruelty towards our minds. That is what this is about. Well, let me take it a step further. Not to go off the rails completely, but cruelty is where it begins, right? Treat the people cruelly and then what happens to the people then?
Then they turn on each other. And we've already started to see that happen over the past week as as we've heard in the previous part of the week's episode of this podcast, you know, like a full recap of of the events that occurred that claimed the lives of two and almost. Four in Minnesota. They killed. He killed two more people or injured 2 more people. It did well, last I heard they were still in critical condition but stable. But but yes, well.
And if we count the dog Gilbert, is that his name? Gilbert I. Don't remember the dog's name? That was that. Yeah. OK, well, here we are, you know, like we're already there. We're already at that point where you have the people turning on the people. You have the Republicans turning on the Democrats. And you hear this very coded language, but it's also very plain language. Caroline Levitt is guilty of it. She does blame the Democrats.
She blames the left. She like this is the people turning the people against the people. Donald Trump junior said something earlier today. I don't know if you saw this or not, but they. I did not. They launched a Trump phone company. Oh, I thought that was a joke. Oh, no, it's not. It's very real.
And there was an interview that they were doing with Don Junior where they were talking about they got the shooter in Minnesota and he was like, oh, well, he was a Democrat operative and he was like, well, no, he voted for your father. He's like, I don't believe that until I see it. You can tell them truth to their face, supported, and they don't care. They just don't care. Well, did you also see that Donald Trump was very blatantly like refusing to to telephone Tim Walz?
Yeah, to extend because. It's not going to be any good. He's what he said I think, right. He said. He said why would I? I could be nice, but why would I be nice to him? He's basically like, he's crazy, he's off the rails. Like why would I call him? If if, if he doesn't like me, why would I call him? That's yeah, this is a temper tantrum like like this is. He's in a He's in a grown adult child. He is.
I mean, he's, but I mean, again, that that reptilian brain like, and I, I think that that's so freeing for me to understand as a human being that oh, he hasn't arrived in anywhere past like the brain stem part of his brain. He is, he is completely reactive. He is operating in fight or flight at all moments. Like this man is completely traumatized and he is running our country and he's fully unhinged.
He's at this point possibly senile, but let's continue to let him make calls about like what's best. And but these, these worshippers that follow him around. I, I, I know that like, you know, I don't want to get off topic, but. I think we've already done that. I you know, it, it just it all it all ties in with like trying to understand you. You asked the question actually about the white supremacist point of view.
Like, I think you have to get inside the mind of Donald Trump and the people who who would follow you've. Got to say, you've got to say whites matter. Blacks don't. They say it, but I want to take a real quick break when we come back. I actually want to close the show out with some hope and good vibes because I feel like we've we've, we've, we've sat in the bathwater for a long enough at this point.
Dirty, dirty bathwater. Yeah, I'm going to come back and I want to talk about celebrating us people, the people who fought for freedom, equality, equity under the law, and those of us who are continuing to do that yeoman's work today, pulling the equality plow further and further down, you know, our our own fields, so to speak. But when we come back, we're going to talk about a beautiful woman by the name of Opal Lee.
So we started our segment on Juneteenth discussing a woman by the name of Opal Lee, the grandmother of Juneteenth. Well, Miss Opal is still alive at 97 fucking years old. Hell yeah. And she wrote Trump earlier this year to discuss, to explain to him why his executive order wasn't good for the country. And I'd like to read it for you if I could. Please do. I'm going to cry during this, by the way, because this is this is absolutely beautiful. And I'm already starting up.
Oh boy. Dear President Donald Trump, today is your Inauguration day and also the day for honoring the legacy of Doctor Martin Luther King Junior and his stance for unity and hope. As a lifelong educator, I know what the we teach people today shapes tomorrow. So if people can be taught to hate, they can also be taught to love. I've spent nearly a century working for human dignity and the simple right to enjoy.
I've spent nearly a century working for human dignity and the civil right to enjoy the freedom of being an American. Lately, I've walked for miles in support of that freedom, not just for one, but for all. I found this promise of freedom is only as strong as those who choose to uphold it. The question is, will you rise to the occasion, or will you stand still as history passes you by? I've learned that courage is the only thing that can turn hope
into action. Leadership is more than policy, it is example. Division is an easy choice. Unity is the courageous one. It takes leaders like you to choose that path, even if it's hard. You have that power to teach us all what is possible. When service replaces spectacle and humanity takes center stage. Let your legacy, one that lifts us, not one that weighs us down. The road to true freedom is long, but I've walked my whole life. Will you walk with me?
Name the place, name the time, and I'll meet you there. Miss Opal is a beautiful soul, an advocate, and an agent for real change, positive change. But it would not surprise you, though, to find out that Donald Trump decided to not meet with her and walk with her. A woman who has walked her entire life for change, to bring us forward, to take us forward. A man who is so stubborn and so filled with his own ego that he cannot find it within himself to cross the barrier between his
ego and being with people. I'd like to give my final thoughts and I want to pass it over to you, Judy, to close the
show out. There are lots of really incredible people doing many incredible things to celebrate Juneteenth and Pride Month and also Caribbean American History or Heritage Month. But however you celebrate, whether that's how to click out, listening to Motown's Best, celebrating Pride while listening to Motown's Best, or taking a personal day, closing your shades, putting on some white noise and forgetting that the sun exists for a day while
listening to Motown's best, of course, take a moment to think about just how vibrant our history is. Think about Opal. Think about Miss Opal. She is a she's a Sentinel in our history. There are people who exist in our history. I'm thinking about maybe like the of the likes of Harvey Milk, an incredible activist for the gay community in San Francisco who were they are renaming the boat they named after him so that way they could get rid of DEI during Pride month.
They did it during Pride month just to rub the salt in the wound some more. They are doing their very best, their level best to strip our country, our history books, our actual physical history from us. What I plan on doing this Juneteenth is reflecting on what this country can do. When good hearted men and women decide that enough is enough, you know it's time for change. And we saw that in LA this past
week. We saw it the solidarity in Minnesota. We've seen solidarity all across this country with record setting protest numbers, people who are stepping outside of their comfort zone to say, I've had enough of this. We have to continue to do that. And on this Juneteenth, it's not just about black Americans as much as it is about our history, our black history. It is also about our history as Americans.
If you cannot see yourself in that, I ask you to dig a little deeper because your history is is wrapped up in, in, in this history. Our history as black Americans is wrapped up in the nation's history and vice versa. So Judy, I'm going to toss it over to you to close this out. I'm sorry. I said, Lord, that was a, that was a. Emotional Roller. Coaster We're just playing volleyball with crying back and forth at the table. Roller coaster I'm. Sorry. Yeah, it was.
Thank you for that. Well, in the true spirit of the feelings and the emotions, what I always think is what can I do? You know, like that's kind of where I begin. And when it comes to things like Black History Month, Juneteenth, literally every fucking day, I can continue to show up for the people of color in my life and lift them up to be the equals that they are. And I can do the work to deconstruct what has been programmed in me.
Simply put, as a white person, that is the work that I can actively do every day is to deep deconstruct and deprogram. So I, I enjoyed this beautiful history lesson. It, it's fun because we all all week at work, we've done Juteep lunches. Yes. And what that looks like is that we have catering from a local black-owned restaurant with that's, you know, specializes in like soul food, like Juneteenth type celebrations, black food.
Oh my God, so good. So, you know, we had the, we had the baked salmon, we had the greens, we had the Mac and cheese, we had the cornbread, the banana pudding, like you name it. There was fried chicken too. Was there Mac and cheese? Oh yes, of course. Now let me ask you a question on the Mac and cheese front though. Was it? Could you taste the butter or could you not taste the butter? You could. You couldn't taste the butter. Actually, it was good.
Mac and cheese it was. Was it like, was it like my level Mac and cheese? It was. Or was it just different? I'm I'm going to give it the shouts it deserves, but I also. Have you had better Mac and cheese? Of course. Yeah. I mean, yours is better, but it wasn't. It was like it was more, it was OK. It was more Velveeta quality, but I don't think it was Velveeta kind of thing. Yeah. Like yours is more like chunky authentic. Like you know the shredded
cheese is in there. No shredded cheese could be found in this SO. Black Mac and cheese. OK, so. Please, black cheese. But, you know, what was fun was sitting amongst my colleagues, you know, of all backgrounds, just kind of honoring like why we do this. And we don't, in fact, we, we don't get all the federal holidays off, but but we, but we find a way to. Yeah. And, you know, like, that's unique to my workplace and not, you know. Everywhere else.
Most, most places do honor it and, and it is just as recent as 20/21 that that became a federal holiday.
You know, so like what's important to do is to remember the reason why this was made a federal holiday and what people sacrifices led to in order to get this acknowledged and and and and recognize the privilege in just that people have to work that much harder to have their experiences acknowledged when they are not white an. 89 year old has to walk from Fort Worth to fucking DC to proven point yeah.
And and more power to her. I mean, there are reasons why I say I want to live till I'm 100 and I know that that can be a lonely Rd. in some ways, but if I could dedicate my life to do this type of work, that would be pretty awesome, you know? So like, for sure, that's inspiring.
Like I, I, I, I don't know if I have much else to say because this episode was geared towards like what it was meant for, which is to recognize, like why Juneteenth has, has, has gained, you know, the, the notoriety, notoriety that it has well. Yeah, I think like, you know, we can really quickly close it up and wrap it up with this. Like I knew that I didn't get told about this in middle school or high school.
Absolutely not. I, I mean, like I literally part of the luncheon experience this week was, was trivia and and we're not going to go through the trivia because honest to God, like you're going to get all the answers right. You like you covered it in the history lesson that was this episode, which is cool, But like I, I, you know, that wasn't
taught. And that already tells you that like we don't do enough of a, of a good job in teaching black history and in teaching like actual American, our history, American history, right, Not just the parts that that favor like white folks and like paint the country in a exactly in a comfortable light. Tell, tell the truth, tell the truth, Caroline Leavitt, tell the fucking truth.
Like stop telling lies that make people comfortable because we don't want to like push outside the boundaries of that comfort. I don't want to feel bad about being white when no one's asking you to feel bad about being white. We just want you to accept the fact that, yes, bad things have happened because this country is the way that it is. And that's not like to say that you're responsible for slavery.
It's to say, hey, look, you had a leg up generations before this because you weren't enslaved, and that's not your fault. But let's also do our very best to, like, help balance the book. But let's just do that the cut our country. By the way, the United States has never actually done what Germany has done about the Holocaust, which is to claim full responsibility. Nope, we're instead we're just denying that it's we're gaslighting everyone.
To say that you can fly the Confederate flag in the United States isn't a hate crime is a really big deal to me. For me, Judy, I, I feel like we could probably go on for another hour and a half. But in the sake of us getting to bed and getting this little Ruby dog to bed, I think we should probably wrap it up. So listeners, we want to thank you again. You're enjoying another episode at the extremes. Do subscribe, do share.
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