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At Last She Said It

Cynthia Winward, Susan Hinckleywww.atlastshesaidit.org
At Last She Said It is a podcast that seeks to amplify and explore a variety of voices, stories, ideas and experiences of Mormon women.
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Episodes

Episode 162: Stepping Out of the Box with Jesus—Claiming Space in the Gospel Narrative | A Conversation with Kajsa Berlin-Kaufusi

“I’m tired of putting Jesus in a hermeneutical box nailed together by patriarchal exegesis,” says Kajsa Berlin-Kaufusi. In Episode 162, she joins Cynthia and Susan to discuss what those words mean. What might they mean specifically for Latter-day Saint women as we approach the New Testament with a desire to broaden our scriptural understanding and interpretation? Can we excavate meaning by uncovering and examining biblical women in new light?

Nov 21, 20231 hr 5 minSeason 7Ep. 162

Episode 161: Embracing Your Journey | A Conversation with Debbie Squires-Coleman

“In the fleet, I'll sail my own boat,” says Debbie Squires-Coleman. In Episode 161, she joins Cynthia and Susan from her home in England to share this and other insights in an Embracing Your Journey discussion about her experiences as a Latter-day Saint woman. It’s a conversation about relationships and growth, full of wise glimpses into how it’s possible to walk together in love, even on divergent paths.

Nov 14, 20231 hr 5 minSeason 7Ep. 161

Episode 159: At Last YOU Said It | ALSSI Listener Voicemails

We started this project in an effort to amplify Latter-day Saint women’s voices and create a safe space for sharing ideas and experiences. In Episode 159, Cynthia and Susan dive into listener voicemails to hear, share, and discuss things women in the ALSSI community are saying.

Nov 07, 202355 minSeason 7Ep. 159

Episode 158: Telling the Truth | A Conversation with Jana Riess

Telling the truth can be complicated for a Latter-day Saint woman, even if we value honesty. It’s hard to say out loud some of what we’re thinking, feeling, or experiencing. At church or even in our families and close relationships we may self-censor with an ‘okayness’ filter: Is it uplifting? Faith promoting? Too negative? Does it cast the Church in an unfavorable light? Sound contentious? Will I look less worthy/valiant/faithful? And how are others likely to react? In Episode 158, Susan and Cy...

Oct 31, 20231 hr 6 minSeason 7Ep. 158

Episode 157: Embracing Your Journey | A Conversation with Mer Monson

Every faith path is walked one step at a time. Every woman’s story is unique. In Episode 157, Cynthia and Susan are joined by Mer Monson to talk about her journey so far, and how the ground she’s traveled informs the way she’s walking now. It’s a conversation that radiates hard-won wisdom, an inspiring glimpse into one Latter-day Saint woman’s spiritual life.

Oct 24, 20231 hrSeason 7Ep. 157

Episode 156: What About Consent?

There are many touchpoints with consent in a Latter-day Saint woman’s church life. From baptism to temple ordinances to accepting callings, we say yes over and over again, sometimes without ever seriously engaging our options. In Episode 156, Susan and Cynthia unpack consent. There are good reasons a woman might say ‘yes’ even while something inside her is saying ‘no,’ but true consent isn't coerced by force, threats, pressure, or intimidation. And silence is not consent.

Oct 17, 20231 hr 7 minSeason 7Ep. 156

Episode 155: To the Children of the Mothers in Zion | A Conversation with Susie Augenstein

For Latter-day Saint women in 1987, expectations outlined by the prophet were explicit: “Mothers in Zion,” he said, “Your God-given roles are so vital to your own exaltation and to the salvation and exaltation of your family.” In episode 155, Susan and Cynthia are joined by Susie Augenstein to break down the messaging mothers received then and have raised children in the shadows of since. It’s no wonder shifts in faith cause strain within families. This conversation is aimed at helping children ...

Oct 10, 20231 hr 8 minSeason 7Ep. 155

Episode 154: What About Racism? | A Conversation with Tamu Smith

“What could a Relief Society lesson on racism look like?” “What do you wish other members of the Church knew about what it’s like to be a Black Latter-day Saint in 2023?” Cynthia asked Tamu Smith these questions and more as they visited in Cynthia’s kitchen with the recorder running. In Episode 154, Tamu shares her personal insights and answers in a wide-ranging, thoughtful conversation between two good friends.

Oct 03, 20231 hr 9 minSeason 154Ep. 7

Episode 153: When Women Can't Stay

Embracing our journey means accepting that every individual’s path is different. While some Latter-day Saint women think about why they stay, others will be thinking about why they make the choice not to. In Episode 153, two women who found stepping away from church engagement to be the right choice for them share their personal stories. It's a conversation about why leaving is not as easy as some members may think, and why staying is not always the best option.

Sep 26, 20231 hr 8 minSeason 7Ep. 153

Episode 152: Spelling It Out

For some Latter-day Saint women, embracing the journey may include reckoning with difficult aspects of the church experience that are specific to women. Some may choose to leave when they find their personal cost exceeds their benefit. In Episode 152, Susan and Cynthia muddy the water around the decision to 'stay' with a frank discussion about things a woman may have to accept, ignore, or sacrifice in order to make that choice.

Sep 19, 20231 hr 8 minSeason 7Ep. 152

Episode 151: Embracing Your Journey | A Conversation with Aubrey Chaves

Every Latter-day Saint woman is on her own journey of faith. We describe it using all kinds of language, and some days the path ahead seems a lot clearer than other days. We each carry our own baggage, our own maps, our own stories of how we came to be where and who we are. Learning to relax into change in this part of our lives can be difficult in a religion where we hear phrases like ‘immovable faith,’ ‘knowing with every fiber of our being,’ and ‘unchanging doctrine.’ In Episode 151, Cynthia ...

Sep 12, 20231 hr 9 minSeason 7Ep. 151

Episode 150: Why We Stay

Season 7 begins with a series of conversations exploring reasons some women continue to find spiritual value participating in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and some do not. Every individual has her own faith story, and in Episode 150, Cynthia and Susan ask themselves and each other the question listeners continue to ask more than any other: Why do you stay?

Sep 05, 20231 hr 8 minSeason 7Ep. 150

Episode 149: BONUS | Still Making Peace

Where are you turning for peace these days? It can feel elusive on a shifting path! In bonus Episode 149, Cynthia and Susan revisit an earlier conversation to compare notes and discuss things they’re still learning when it comes to the ongoing challenge of ‘making and doing’ personal peace.

Aug 15, 20231 hr 24 minSeason 6Ep. 149

Episode 148: BONUS | Still Asking—Where's the Priesthood in That?

In this bonus episode, Susan and Cynthia discuss new thoughts and old frustrations around a previous conversation from ALSSI Episode 35 about church callings and priesthood authority. What is changing when it comes to organizational roles for Latter-day Saint women, and what hasn’t changed at all? Is there movement toward greater equality in our church opportunities and experiences? Are women getting any closer to finally being “in the room where it happens?”

Aug 01, 202353 minSeason 6Ep. 148

Episode 147: BONUS | Revisiting the Map

In this episode, Cynthia and Susan add a few new thoughts to their conversation from Season 1 about going off the edge of one’s map in pursuit of a more personalized spiritual life. In this discussion ALSSI listeners will recognize the seeds of many foundational ideas about the importance of spiritual empowerment for Latter-day Saint women that this podcast has continued to develop and explore in depth.

Jul 18, 20231 hr 8 minSeason 6Ep. 147

Episode 146: BONUS | Revisiting the Rule Breaking Woman

In Episode 146, Cynthia and Susan revisit The Rule Breaking Woman to discuss what her story can teach Latter-day Saint women about spiritual empowerment. It's a scriptural example of a woman who took a big risk, and received exactly what she was seeking in return. Sometimes getting what we need may require us to make choices that are at odds with what others deem acceptable or appropriate.

Jul 04, 202350 minSeason 6Ep. 146

Episode 145: Season 6 | That's a Wrap!

Finale Episode 145 is a look back at Susan and Cynthia's sixth season of ALSSI conversations: identifying themes, adding additional thoughts, discussing listener responses, and thinking ahead.

Jun 20, 20231 hr 24 minSeason 6Ep. 145

Episode 144: Messages to our Daughters | Part 2—To Our Young Selves

If you had the opportunity, what would you say to young Latter-day Saint girls about things like patriarchy, priesthood, women’s roles, the messages they receive at church, and how those messages should be weighted as they approach the big life decisions ahead? What would you say to your own young self? Episode 144 is Part 2 of our conversation about things ALSSI listeners want the Church’s kids to know, and/or wish we’d heard ourselves.

Jun 13, 202353 minSeason 6Ep. 144

Episode 143: Get Used to Disappointment | A Conversation with Dr. Julie Hanks

“Your job as an adult is to disappoint people.” So said Dr. Julie Hanks the first time she was on the ALSSI podcast. In Episode 143, she joins Cynthia and Susan to talk more about actually applying that statement in our lives and relationships. Why might it be hard for Latter-day Saint women to believe our choices don’t have to please everyone—or even anyone—else?

Jun 06, 202345 minSeason 6Ep. 143

Episode 142: Messages to our Daughters | Part 1—About Girls and the Sacrament

One of the questions Cynthia and Susan hear most often comes from mothers who write, “My daughter is asking when it will be her turn to pass the sacrament….what should I say?” They took this question to listeners and in Episode 142, voices from the ALSSI community share answers. It’s a broad conversation about women and priesthood featuring a diversity of ideas, experiences, and perspectives.

May 30, 202353 minSeason 6Ep. 142

Episode 141: The Making of Biblical Womanhood | A Conversation with Beth Allison Barr

Can faithful women reject patriarchy? Beth Allison Barr's book, The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth, suggests the answer is yes. Her book is a compelling 'untelling' of the story of patriarchy as divinely appointed truth. In Episode 141, Cynthia and Susan are joined by Dr. Barr for a conversation about historical forces that have shaped women's roles in the world and at church. She offers insights not only into women's roles in the Bible, but specif...

May 23, 202357 minSeason 6Ep. 141

Episode 140: Does That Scripture Mean What You Think it Means? | A Dance with the Ten Virgins

Every church goer has probably heard more lessons about the wise and foolish virgins than they can count. Why do Latter-day Saints love to talk about this parable so much? And why do we seem to be so attached to one interpretation of it? In Episode 140, Susan and Cynthia try to shake up the same old conversation about this story—and the women in it—by asking a few new questions, and imagining new answers.

May 16, 202357 minSeason 6Ep. 140

Episode 139: BONUS—Let's Talk About Garments...at last! | More with Afton Southam Parker

What would you say if you had the ear of the people in charge of designing garments? Afton Southam Parker came prepared with a 37 slide PowerPoint presentation, based on her own experiences and those of many other women who wear them. The meeting was a masterclass on many of the communication tips she talked about in Episode 138. In bonus Episode 139, she joins Cynthia and Susan to review her presentation, and break it all down!

May 12, 202343 minSeason 6Ep. 139

Episode 138: Finding Your Voice...and Using It | A Conversation with Afton Southam Parker

Bringing attention to issues affecting Latter-day Saint women requires us to be opportunistic about using our voices. Even those in leadership callings don’t always find their ideas and opinions are welcome. And when chances to be heard do arise, the power dynamic of our culture and organization may make it hard for a woman to find the courage to express a non-traditional view. In Episode 138, Cynthia and Susan are joined by Afton Southam Parker, a woman who knows how to speak up about things th...

May 09, 20231 hr 2 minSeason 6Ep. 138

Episode 137: Let's Talk About Healthy Relationships | A Conversation with Meghan Decker

In close relationships, sometimes it’s difficult to differentiate between a loved one’s side of the road and our own. We may develop unhealthy or unbalanced behavioral patterns. Codependency is one word used to describe what happens when we begin internalizing someone else’s emotions, or allow our well-being to become dependent on their behavior. We may try to fix, rescue, or control them. In Episode 137, Susan and Cynthia are joined by author Meghan Decker to discuss relationships and the chall...

May 02, 20231 hr 2 minSeason 6Ep. 137

Episode 136: Let's Talk About The One True Church

“I know this church is true.” Many Latter-day Saints rely on this anchor phrase when bearing testimony, but what do the words really mean? What are the implications—good and less so—of believing an organization carries the divine stamp of approval? Could devotion to a label like ‘The One True Church’ come with a shadow side?

Apr 25, 20231 hr 3 minSeason 6Ep. 136

Episode 135: What About Religious Trauma?

What’s religious trauma? For some Latter-day Saint women, church may become difficult or even unsafe because of it, yet many members have probably never heard of it. In episode 135, Jana Spangler joins Cynthia and Susan for a discussion of some of the ways trauma may manifest in our church experience, and steps we can take toward healing.

Apr 18, 20231 hr 7 minSeason 6Ep. 135

Episode 134: What About Converts? | A Conversation with KC Bramer

Many Latter-day Saint women have had similar experiences as lifelong Church members. We come up through Primary and Young Women’s singing the same songs, going to camp, and participating in correlated lessons and activities. But what about women who convert later in life? In Episode 134, Cynthia and Susan chat with KC Bramer about her experiences before and after joining in her mid 40s. What’s attractive about this church? What’s confusing? Against the backdrop of her personal conversion and rel...

Apr 11, 20231 hrSeason 6Ep. 134
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