CEU: Personalities in AT - Working Well with Others Begins with Knowing Yourself - 212

Hey, this is Sandy. And Randy? And we're here on AT Corner. Being an Athi trainer comes with ups and downs, and we're here to showcase it all. Join us as we share our world in sports medicine. Welcome back to another episode of AT Corner. For this week's episode, we have an Education episode that I would say is pretty near and dear to Sandra's heart. Yeah, to know me is to know that I love the Enneagram and that is exactly what we are talking about today.

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training specifically. We're going to use the Enneagram. I love the Enneagram. That is very obvious. I have always been into personality test, but the thing that stuck out to me about the Enneagram is that it really shows you what motivates you rather than all the other personality tests that kind of show more like of an outward personality. When people think of it, they think of like a Myers Briggs type indicator or like an MTBMMTBI, MB, TI Myers Briggs.

That's actually the widest use personality test and that highlights a lot of strengths to focus on, whereas the Enneagram highlights some growth points. Oh, that's interesting. And really what brings you to make the decisions that you make. So my favorite example when I'm explaining this is everyone can bring cookies to a party. That's like, it doesn't matter what personality type you are. But the reason why you bring cookies to a party is we're going to go over in the Enneagram.

Oh. That's very interesting. So what exactly is the Enneagram? So the enneagram is actually a Greek term.

It refers to a symbol that has 9 points and it's a really old system of like personality and growth. The reason why it has like this symbol is because each person has a dominant type along the nine points, but they all connect to one another because we all access points of all of the different personality types, but we have one type that is a little bit more dominant in your strengths and motivation. Oh, that's really interesting. That's really cool.

So this is actually something that I use with all of my students and every single time I have a new master student come in with me, I give them so much information about their enneagram, about my enneagram, and then how we can best work together, what kind of feedback we need, work relationships, how to like solve conflict and stuff like that. I am going to do an episode on that later. OK, cool. So stay tuned for that.

But this because there's so much information that you need to know like first this will kind of be like an overview episode of each type so you can kind of get a better understanding and how it relates to athletic training specifically. So this episode won't go into like relationships and communication styles and like stuff like that, but we will get that in a future episode. So what I'm hearing is this is the anatomy episode of the enneagram.

It is the anatomy, it's the basic foundation. Honestly, if you really want to get into the enneagram, there's like so much you can like nerd out about. There's like wings, there's subtypes, there's Tri types, there's like so many different combinations. So it's not like there's only nine types of people in this world. Like I know so many different people who are the same type, but like they are completely

different people. They just see the world in a similar manner, but their personalities are completely. Different. I also think it's interesting to this like like as we go through kind of like the different types and stuff, it's like it really kind of explains how people kind of behave or kind of how they act in like different phases of their life, whether they're like they're really stressed or

whether they're really thriving. I think that helps a lot because I, I feel like you don't get that with like other like personality tests necessarily, I feel like. Also something that specifically for athletic trainers with such a high burnout rate, it is so good to be able to acknowledge and recognize what you tend to look like in your burnout stage or like on your way to burnout or like in stress. And so you can start to mitigate those before they turn into a

full blown like burnout. Yeah, for sure. There's, there's also like so much you can delve into, like how everyone tends to favor a strategy for processing information, whether it's like like heart, through your heart, like emotional through your head mentally or through your body, like instinctive. So we're not going to go over those, but like if you want to get into this, like there's so much that you can like. Dive into.

Dive Exactly. I will say that one argument that I do hear probably the most often of people who don't like the Enneagram is they say that it puts you into a box. I feel like, and I kind of already said this, like I feel like it's the opposite because it kind of shows you the box that you're already in and it gives you concrete ideas to really look out for and begin that growth. For sure. So we already kind of like brush the surface of just kind of why this might be important to kind

of like know yourself, but like overall, why is it that important that we know ourselves, but also to know how other people are? Not only knowing yourself can like obviously that's going to help you with growth, but when you know other people and know kind of how they're seeing a situation, you can understand their perspective a lot better and you can be more open to what they're bringing to the table.

And I, I know I've said this before in other episodes, but I'm going to say it again fresh for this episode. But when you're in conflict, everyone thinks that they are right. That's so true. There's a reason why there's a conflict, like people are not going to fight for something that they are not passionate

about, for sure. So if you're able to see that other perspective, and ideally if they're able to see your perspective or if you're able to know yourself well enough that you can portray that perspective well, then you guys will be able to solve that conflict a lot better. For sure. I feel like this is going back to what we've kind of said in past episodes is just

communication. And I think this is one way to kind of help you understand how to communicate with somebody absolutely or what might be the preferred way for them. Yeah. And even like, I know my type really well. So I can also recognize like faulty patterns are like where I'm getting stuck on one side of an argument or a disagreement, even when I'm like being stubborn. And I'm like, I know this is because this is how I see things.

And like other people don't see it that way, but it kind of gives me that like perspective even of myself. So I feel like we've we've kind of touched on like the Enneagram

being an element of growth. So does that mean like you change your Enneagram type or like what happened? Like what do you mean by growth with the Enneagram? Oh that's a a really good question. So there's a theory that you don't change your enneagram over the course of your life, but as you grow, you can access different characteristics of other types.

And this provides you with like a different like as, as some of the articles put it, like a new and conscious way of like perceiving and moving throughout the world. So I know really fancy. I was just saying that sounds very philosophical. Philosophical way to say growth, just like a different way, a more perspective. I think just to that's a good word. Just to sink it down. New perspective.

Yeah. Allowing yourself to see your perspective better, better, and other people's perspectives better just opens you up for a lot more understanding. So I I know we talked about like the nine points. So I'm assuming we're talking about nine types. What are the actual enneagram types? OK, so I'm going to go over a brief overview and I mean like brief, you could, I could talk for hours about this and I do with my students, but. We do at home. We do at home. Randy and I use this a lot.

It it has kept us like pretty conflict free too, which is great. Or even like when we do have like hard conversations, like we see where each other are coming from and see where that perspective lies. But again, this is like we only have a certain amount of time and you guys don't necessarily want to sit here for five hours or 9 hours. So just to do like a brief overview in relation to athletic trainers, the nine types, I'm just going to go over just their headings real quick.

So like they each have like quote UN quote names and every, everywhere that you look is going to give a different name for each type, but the numbers will always be the same. So I want you to listen along and try to see if there's anything that really you identify with. And remember, you can identify with multiple types, but there's one type that's most dominant, and that's where you're going to see most of your perspectives. Come from. Got it. And then we'll tell you our

types as well. For sure. So type 1 is a reformer, A moralizer, or a perfectionist.

These types are high standards, rule makers, rule followers, and highly detail oriented. Each type has a core drive and a core fear, and this is really where that decision making is centered from. So a core drive and of an Enneagram 1 is to be good, ethical and right. The core fear, on the other hand, is to be wrong or to be a bad person. So the way I categorized all these is I put together, you know how I said originally like this idea of like everyone can bring cookies to a party?

Yeah, I've kind of adapted that with a little bit of help of how everyone helps an injured athlete, because obviously every athletic trainer is going to help an injured athlete. That's that's I like I like the bridge to like the actual like AT. Right. But each athletic trainer, each type, enigram type is going to have a different motivation. Interesting, so an enneagram 1 is going to help an injured athlete because it's their duty

to do the right thing. Follow protocol and ensure the athlete gets proper care so you can tell they're motivated by integrity, responsibility, and doing things correctly. Slashed by the book. Interesting. OK. These type ones are the responsible ATS. They're going to make sure the EAP policies procedures are flawless. Flawless practice ethically default to doing things by the book and expect excellence of themselves and others.

As you listen to you can see some parallels between some numbers and then there's like slight differences in why. Like some might be more goal oriented but there might be like slight changes like like the main motivation of a 1 is like justice, like ethic, like practice ethically or doing things correctly, perfectionist, stuff like that.

OK. So for example, like if I was going to go into the next episode, I would talk about how like when I work with Enneagram ones, they see everything like pretty black and white. So if I'm working with him on something really challenging, I'm going to break it down to black and white. But if I want to challenge them a little bit more than I'm going to challenge them to see that Gray area. For sure and.

I'll give more examples too. So what does this type kind of look like in a in when they're stressed like you kind of like in that kind of like kind of like that burnout what we're talking about? So you can kind of get an idea, like if you think of, I feel like 1 is the easiest to start with and it's like #1 like I feel like whoever did that good job. Ones are overly critical of themselves and others when they're stressed. And this is like, not all the time.

Like I'm just talking about like when they're at their worst, not at their worst, but you know, like when they are, when they have a lot on them. Yeah, like when they're in that just overload. Yeah, and their overload, you'll see Enneagram ones have a lot like more harsh self talk, like I should be doing more. It's like you're already doing a lot, you don't need to be doing more. But that's how they're thinking. They may begin to micromanage or not trust others to do things the right way.

Have you ever felt like that where it's like I just, I just have to do it my way because I don't trust other people to do things up to my standards? That's like classic Enneagram work. Hyper focus on perfect documentation, feeling guilty when relaxing because it's not productive, and then not being able to delegate tasks for fear that others will not do it up to their standards. And I can see that just like now, spiraling and creating more stress on Enneagram 1. Yeah.

So a growth example for an enneagram one would be accepting the good enough is sometimes enough. So you don't need to reach that perfection for every single task you do. Like it's not possible, especially when time context or athlete comfort matters more than textbook form. That's when we want to focus on

this like good enough. Going back to like a older episode when we were talking about the on field evaluation, we talked about how you have to be thorough enough on the field, something that I really liked that someone submitted. You have to be thorough enough, which means that you're obviously doing your eval as best as you can to rule out the life threatening things, etcetera. But you don't want to spend 30 minutes on the field. That's not that's not the best for that situation.

For sure. So how do we get to that kind of that growth aspect, like what steps can be done? So enneagram ones tend to be a little rigid. So we want to find more flexibility. Practicing self compassion like we were talking about like perfection isn't the goal but progress is the goal. Practicing things like done is better than perfect or like we said before, good enough is sometimes enough.

It helps you focus like on the bigger picture and protect your energy a little bit more than like just focusing on that perfection and hyper focusing and that's all you can do. Yeah. Is this effective and safe? Even if it's not flawless is another question you can ask yourself. Oh, that's a good. One scheduling guilt free rest and this is like I'm talking like put it on your calendar. I am resting from 2:00 to 3:00 PM on Tuesday evening, on Tuesday afternoon or something

like that. Schedule it because rest is productive. Like if that's how you need to see it instead of like resting and being like, man, I could be doing so much of this, this, this like your body is going to stop whether you like it or not, whether that ends up in sickness or whether that ends in what you are scheduling. So exactly, delegate small tasks to others and avoid holding others to your own internal critics. High standards and then seek feedback from trusted mentors to

challenge your quotes. Right way thinking. Interesting. I also have an affirmation for each type. I chose to include it in this episode and not the next episode purposefully because I think it's just generally helpful for growth. But this is also something that I try to give to my students because I feel like it does really harness that that idea of growth for each type. So for an anagram one, we already kind of said it. I grow through progress, not perfection. That's.

A good one, I like that. Yeah. So the next type is type 2, which is I'm a little biased

towards because Randy's a type 2. That's me. Yeah. So I have a lot of type twos in my life. They are the helper, giver and mentors. Not only do I personally have a lot of type twos in my life, but you guys probably also have a lot of type twos in your life 'cause we're in a serving profession. So twos are are abundant in athletic training. They are sincere, they are empathetic, they are nurturing, they are generous and they have great rapport and trust.

Their core drive is to be needed and appreciated, but their core fear is being unloved or not needed. Yes, yes, just yes, all the above. Do you feel like? Yeah, no, that's spot on. Yeah, the the 2 is like like Randy, like everyone helps the injured athlete. But the reason why anagram twos help is because they care deeply about other people. They want the athlete to feel supported, safe, not alone.

And something that I want to highlight that we wasn't really like in the core fear, core desire, but kind of like motivationally. If they were, if the Type 2 were in that situation, they would want someone to care for them too. Yeah. And that's sometimes why they do the things that they do. So if you're around a Type 2, it might be helpful to notice the things that they're doing and see if they're doing it because they're seeking that back for themselves.

Yeah, 'cause they won't say it. Yeah, for sure. These Type 2 athletic trainers are compassionate caregivers with great bedside manner. They have a strength in sensing the needs of others. Like even without anyone saying like what they need, even like emotionally, physically, it doesn't matter. Like anagram twos can just notice that if like they can just sense it.

The thing about anagram twos though, is they do struggle with boundaries, so they might say yes beyond their limits, such as taking things on to help others or staying late at work because it benefits the athletes. Uh huh. Yeah, that's happened before. One time I'm gonna expose you Andy, just real quick, sorry, you can expose me in the in the

next one. But the one time we were Randy was working a cross country meet the weekend that we were moving and there was a six pack of bottles and for some reason, like it got left behind or something like that. And Randy's like, oh, don't worry about it. I'll just take them home and like wash them at home. And I was like, no, sorry. Like they can take them on the bus. Like it's not that big of a burden on them. We're moving like let them handle it. Let them handle the work stuff.

We'll handle moving. Yeah, if that gives you a great example of like, he just wants to do everything for everyone else and like, take the burden off of everyone else. Yeah, yeah. We'll get to the growth part though. Yes, in stress twos need affirmation so they may become overly involved, overly people pleasing, and are manipulative to get that affirmation. A classic 2 ignores, neglects their own needs.

So like in an athletic trainer, this is things like skipping meals, like lacking sleep or lacking boundaries because it benefits someone else. They may become passive aggressive and they may withdrawal when they're

unappreciated. So something to like a growth to combat this. Say no to covering that extra game so you can rest. And then also just trust that others can step up to like. It doesn't always have to be you. Yeah. And I think that's something too that, you know, I've learned over the years, especially since we learned about the Enneagram. So I feel like for sure that like once you kind of know that and kind of work on that like that, yeah, it's you can feel that growth. Right, right.

And I've seen so much in U2 like that. That bottle example was like way early in Randy's career. Where is like now? Like no chance is he gonna say like, I'm gonna take those bottles home to wash them at home. No dog. So how do we get to that growth? What? What tools can be used? So an Ingram twos in stress, I guess can start people pleasing, but we're working on getting more boundary setting and self-care. So identifying and naming your needs so that you can meet them

before serving others. I'm checking in with yourself saying like, what do I need to do today? That's good. Something that's really hard for an Enneagram to let others help you. Yeah, you can't pour from an empty cup practicing no without guilt. This one I'm going to put a little star on because I feel like this is hard for like a lot of people. Something that I heard recently

that I think would apply. And you can take it with a grain of salt or take it like how you would want it, but you can build up to saying no. If you really want to say yes, give it a, give it a little like star, like yes, but only if my needs are met. Like whatever, whatever, this blah, blah, blah, insert your needs here. Or like I want to say yes, but I need this to happen too. So then those people, that's also a form of communication.

So then you can also see you could be a little bit more transparent on why you can't just blindly say yes and not blindly make that happen. For sure. Also, build relationships with others who value you beyond what you do for them that's important, and who give back to you emotionally. Snaps. Yes, that's. Important my affirmation for our twos. I am loved and valuable for who I am, even when I'm not helping. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, I like it. Do you identify with that?

Yes, literally everything in that that section I identified with. I feel like that's the thing, like with the Enneagram is like there's, I don't want to go off too much of A tangent, but there are like ideas behind like these. You can go take like an anagram test. Yeah, but they're not so accurate if you don't know yourself well. So I think it's better to just like hear all the types and go

through them. But obviously, like, sometimes that's a lot to do if you're not like all that into it. So, you know, sometimes the tests have their place. For sure. All right. All right, so we've gone through types one, type 2, now we're on

to type 3. So Type 3 is near and dear to my heart because Type 3 is what I am. Yes, it is the achiever, the performer, the producer. What's funny is this type, like how I was saying for me how it's just boom, boom hits everything. This one's definitely definitely. This one's definitely me. This one is a little bit I I want to say like 2 headed because there there's a success driven 3 and then there's a, an image driven 3 and I they're not the same.

So like I'm gonna, I'm not really gonna break it down, but you can kind of get an idea if someone's a little bit more like image oriented versus like goal oriented. So anyway, just the generic type 3, extremely goal oriented, successful, extremely competitive, like the most competitive out of the entire. All of them, image conscious, driven, adaptable, thrive under pressure to reach the highest of standards. Like if there is the top of the ladder they are going to reach it.

That is like their whole life's purpose. The core drive is to be successful, admired and efficient. Their core fear is of failure or of being worthless. Everyone helps the injured athlete, but the reason why Enneagram 3's help is because they want to handle it efficiently, look competent and show that they can lead under pressure. So you can tell like they're motivated by success, performance and providing value or proving value.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. The thing about that I think is really interesting is I feel like Type Threes are not, I don't say this like with evidence behind it, so don't quote me, but I personally feel like Type Threes are not as common in athletic training because athletic training is kind of the bottom of the totem pole. Whereas you see more like type threes as like physicians or like lawyers or like in those

very highly well regarded jobs. It is like so hard for a three to be at the bottom rung like type 3 is a like a true type 3 is probably not someone who could stay in like an assistant athletic trainer role for a long time. These type threes are like they're driven doers, they climb the ladder. They're often in head AT positions like early on in their career or like whatever they picture is like the most successful position in their

eyes. Like a lot of people think like D1 is the most successful or professional sports is the most successful, which we're not about that life we don't like. It's great if you're there. We don't think that's the highest position, most successful position, but just regarding what you know, if you think that that's what threes tend to lean towards. If threes aren't getting enough at work, they're finding leadership positions outside of work. They're always looking for

things. What is next, not spending a lot of time in the moment. Threes love efficiency, getting things done. So they will be the ones making an athletic training facility more efficient so they could get more done in the span of 24 hours. Yes, it is. They thrive off of when they're the, the thing that I, I'm gonna interrupt myself.

The thing that like, drives me nuts is like spending the time to redo something that I've already done previously because then I feel like I'm just wasting time. So systems galore. That's how we run things efficiently. Threes thrive off when their treatment plans work. So like seeing athletes return to play because of success, like Hallelujah, their worth is tied to being the best. So they'll avoid showing vulnerability or showing like that failure.

It's hard for them to live through that. So I mean, I feel like I've kind of grown and like definitely couldn't have done that early on in my career, like making mistakes, like, no. But now obviously, like, that's part of my growth path. Threes are also like when I think of threes, I think of like, no, I know I'm a three. So like maybe this is like not a compliment. It's not a compliment at all. But when I think of threes, if you've ever seen like suits, Harvey is a classic 3.

They're like very cunning or like think like Zootopia the fox like any like salesman or someone who can like talk their way out of things like sometimes for not good, there's a three for you. In stress. They can become overly image focused, impatient, overly competitive. They can cut corners to get things done, push themselves or others way too hard. I've done that before. Oops sorry.

Loses joy in the work because they put feelings aside to reach goals is a classic 3. Like set aside emotions to reach your goals. It gets you there faster. Don't do that, don't do that. They might become numb or autopilot and like withdraw a little bit. And then what you really want to watch out for is like, if you start to feel like a failure even when you're succeeding because your standards just keep. Growing. That's got to be hard. Yeah. And like, you just don't see it.

It's just like, not like, not equivalent. So if that's if that's what stress is, then what would be the growth in the three? Admitting when you're overwhelmed to your coworkers rather than powering through it to avoid falling behind, like letting other people in and letting people see your human side. That is something that I am working on. Yeah. So like success driven, yes, that that's what like threes are. But we're moving toward like authenticity and presence.

Like being, being, being presence. Yeah, a lot of identity is tied with productivity, but you are more than what you do as a three. So doing something pointless for fun that is not productive whatsoever is like something that Threes can work on to help with this, like disconnecting their identity from that

productivity. I was just saying, I feel like that's something that I I used to do for you is to remind you that just like if something didn't work out like to the standards that you wanted, that that's not what defines you. Exactly. Yeah, it is hard to hear, but you need to hear. I need to hear going back to like taking off that professional mask, like showing your human side. People don't like perfect

people. So like if you actually want to be liked, like the logical idea of being human hopefully helps you realize that people do want to see your human side. Explore what success means to you, not just what it looks like externally. This is something I struggled with in my early career. I wanted certain jobs because other people thought that they were good jobs, not because I wanted it. Does that make? Sense. Yeah, Yeah. No, I know what you mean. Practice presence over

productivity. So connecting with athletes as people, not checks, check boxes. That sounds so like, not human. Yeah, yeah. Celebrate effort and process, not just results or outcome. So this is something we talk about this all the time. If you've heard our previous episodes, I'm sure you've heard this too. Julie Max, one of Randy's biggest mentors, like sat me down and like coined me in like 2 minutes and was like, I know

exactly who you are. You're someone who just moved from one thing to the next to the next. You need to celebrate everything, like celebrate your successes. And so now we actually take the time to celebrate those stepping points, no matter how small, no matter how big. We take the time to celebrate them instead of just moving on to the next thing. And it really does like make a difference. It does make a difference. Fun.

It is, it is fun. So my affirmation for my 3 is not everything is mine to do, even if you're good at it, and I

have worth and value beyond my achievements. I love that. Yeah. OK. You ready for Type 4? Yep. Let's do it. Type 4 is the individualist, the dreamer, the romantic, the creative. These. Remember how we said anagram 3 is like push aside emotions. Type Fours live an emotion. They're diving in on that. So they they are highly individualistic, they are expressive, they are dramatic, they are emotionally temperamental and not afraid to feel their emotions.

Their core drive is to be authentic and deeply understood. Their core fear is of having no personal identity or of being insignificant. Interesting. So while everyone helps the injured athlete, Engram fours help because they understand what it's like to be in pain or feel misunderstood. They want that athlete to feel seen and heard. So they're motivated by empathy, emotional depth and authenticity.

Whereas 3 struggle with authenticity, 4 is the opposite and they're very authentic and true to themselves. Type fours are empathetic, meaningful athletic trainer fours are have like out-of-the-box thinking that allows for them to be like great problem solvers and they'll probably have pretty unique like management plans that are not just like cookie cutter plans. So you can probably learn so

much from them. They connect with athletes during emotional rehab journeys, especially those who look who are like overlooked or down anagram for athletic trainers also feel overlooked and are comfortable expressing how underappreciated they are. So some people aren't as comfortable with this. So if you if you start to notice that, like that is their comfort zone, they're not doing it for attention. Like, that's just how they feel.

They're often ones to remind the team that mental health matters. You can spot them easily on the field because they need to to express themselves. So like, think like the patches on, like AT kits. Yeah, except that everyone has patches on their AT kits and you kind of see the same ones, like, over and over again. And Ingram Fours will have like very unique patches that you've probably never seen before and probably a kit you've never seen before 'cause they just want

like, individuality. Will it be colorful? I don't know, depends on the person. They may just be discouraged if they feel like their work work does not have importance or significance. Interesting. So kind of going into that kind of feeling of like, if they have that feeling of insignificance, what does that like lead to stress wise? We kind of touched on it like feeling unseen by athletes or colleagues. They can isolate themselves or

withdraw. You can't kind of see this in a couple of types, especially when they're feeling disconnected to work. So they can be like withdrawn, Moody, dramatic, extra dramatic in response to being misunderstood or undervalued, and they can allow their emotions to get in the way of staying on task. So again, like to compare and contrast between the three and the four. The three sets emotions aside in order to get things done, whereas in stress, whereas fours

allow their emotions to overtake them because they're that's where they're comfortable and then they can get in the way of like staying on task. So what does growth look like for the four? Finding value in day-to-day tasks like restocking or wound care because we have to do that all the time. Putting someone on STEM as part of the bigger picture of care 'cause obviously it's still important. So even though it's not that unique, like something that needs a lot of problem solving,

like it still has value. Got it. So to go from emotional intensity to more like balance and grounding, Reconnect with your why. Oh. That's important. So what made you love athletic training for the first, like, the first reason? Yeah. This, like, emotional grounding can help with that stress. OK. Talking to a mentor who values emotional depth can help with, like, connection when they feel

like withdrawing instead. Also normalize that you're not gonna feel motivated all the time, but your work still matters, so don't wait until you're inspired. You're feeling inspired to show up like you. Just be consistent. Oh, that's good. That's interesting. You also want to seek out meaning in small moments like a successful rehab, a student breakthrough, and honest check in. Kind of like we were talking about.

Those still provide value for the bigger picture. So our affirmation for an anagram 4 is my presence is enough. I don't have to feel different to matter. Oh, that's interesting. OK, that's really cool. OK, so the next one is a type 5. The type fives are the investigator, observer, thinker. These ones, out of all of the types, I know the least amount of fives. So I feel like fives. It's kind of funny because fives are so knowledge seeking.

I actually feel like I know the least about fives. OK, interesting. I wonder if this is like at least athletic training wise, I wonder if this is like maybe more, could you say this could be maybe more of those that kind of go into like education or. Absolutely, Absolutely. These are knowledge seeking. They are perceptive, they are

secretive, they are isolated. They don't really, and I know that we said that they're not very like anagram doesn't have like outward personality types, but in an effort to best describe type fives, they typically align a little bit more with introversion. And they're not as social, but it's because they'd rather be spending their time like seeking knowledge and gathering knowledge rather than like social. Social doesn't really benefit them productively. So their core drive is to be

competent and capable. Their core fears of being useless, helpless, or incapable. So while everyone helps the injured athlete, the reason why anagram fives help is because they know what's happening physiologically and they want to apply their knowledge to solve the problem calmly and precisely. So like you can see how that's like motivated by knowledge, competence, clarity. So type fives are often knowledgeable observers that are often introverted, very independent and spend a lot of

time deep in thought. They're constantly absorbing protocols, researching the best rehab strategies and always seeking ways to advance their practice. They love evidence based practice as well. If you couldn't tell, they tend to stay composed in crises, but they may isolate or overthink before acting.

Oh, interesting type. Fives thrive in a split appointment setting that has both like patient care as well as like something that's like research, teaching or like some sort of special project so that they can avoid that stagnation of like a routine practice. So if they have that kind of that stagnate stagnation, what does that look like?

That would be like just like excessive patient staff interactions or like having to be in like a noisy busy clinic that they can't get away from, like they can't find that escape in stress. They're going to really avoid those like hands on interactions or ones that are really emotionally heavy cause those are, those might be like a little bit hard for them. They might become a over like hyper focused on like knowing enough when like obviously like

there's always more to learn, but they don't necessarily see that like right, everyone has their blind spot and then they can also like over isolate. So like to get out of that. Our growth example would be like stepping in to assist with an with an emergency, even if you're not 100% certain because your calm presence is enough. So like, it's not just about all that, you know, got it, recognizing that. For sure. So how do you, how do you get to

that growth? So like from detachment to engagement and embodiment, we want to encourage Enneagram fives to use your voice in meetings, even if it's not fully formed or if you feel like you don't have all the answers. Because Enneagram Fives know more than they think. Like, this is their bread and butter. Like knowledge is their bread and butter. It doesn't feel like it's kind of like when we're talking about the anagram 3 like in stress that idea that the standards are

higher and higher. And so even when they're succeeding, they feel like they're failing. Same thing you can identify with A5. Their knowledge is ever growing. So they feel like they don't know or even you know, when you take a test and you're like, oh, I did really well on that. But then you didn't do well, but it's because you didn't understand the material. So you didn't understand what you missed.

Whereas like some people like go through the test and they're like, Oh my gosh, I did so horribly. But it's because they know every single thing that they miss. Like they're, they're aware of every single thing that they miss because they know that information enough. Like if you know a little bit more, it's kind of like the more you know, the more you realize you don't know. Yeah, for sure. Also creating boundaries around energy draining people slash tasks.

So like, don't do too much of them. Our affirmation for Enneagram fives is I am capable even when I don't have all the answers. Nice, yeah. How did you move on to type 6? Let's do it, OK?

We're moving through these pretty good, yeah. Nice. So type 6 is the loyalist guardian team player. This is I'm I'm going to interrupt type 6 really fast because if you think about type the different types, you see that nine type that has like the lines. The 369 is a triad. So sometimes and like every type is going to move two traits of one type in health and the traits of another type in stress. I didn't really go into that,

but the 369 is a triad. So you'll you'll start to notice now that we've gone over three, we're going to go over six and then we're going to go over 9. You're going to see some like they're similarities, but they're not obvious. So kind of like start to pick those out, Type 6 is committed, they're responsible, they're anxious and cautious. Their core drive is to feel secure and supported. Their core fears of being without support and guidance.

Got it. So when we talk about working with an Engram 6 student, which there are a lot of them, and I'll go over this in the other episode, but basically like they're always going to want to ask more questions and we want them to be OK not knowing everything before they make a decision. Got it. Everyone helps injured athlete, right? But anagram sixes help because they want to protect the athlete and make sure that everything is handled safely and according to

plan. So they're motivated by duty, preparation and trust. Nice anagram. Sixes are the ones who will always have what ifs. Taken care of. And they are always going to look for holes in scenarios. Sometimes people don't see this intention as like a positive, but if you recognize that they are trying to make sure that bad things don't happen, then you can see it as a strength of theirs instead of like, why do you always poke holes in my plans? Sixes are the rock of many AT teams.

They are loyal, dependable, and a person who everyone wants on their team and they seek safety and security. So they're usually the ones who've like prepped for every worst case scenario. They've stocked back of AED pads, they've double checked practice coverage. But their tendency to worry can cause stress, spirals and also indecision. So then what is that? What would that look like as they start going further into

that just spiral? They're definitely going to second guess themselves or like chronically worry about making mistakes out of all of the types. Anagram one obviously doesn't like to make mistakes because it takes them away from being like that perfectionist self. Anagram Threes don't like making mistakes because it takes them

away from being the best, right? Anagram Sixes don't like making mistakes because it takes them away from like, safety and security that they've prepped so hard to attain. Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. So anagram sixes in stress, like we'll spend a lot of time like catastrophizing or worrying, like worst case scenario, they might rely too heavily on an authority figure because they're going to feel paralyzed under pressure without that strong

mentorship. And that would make having an authority figure or mentor would make them feel safe. Exactly, exactly 'cause they're looking for safety or security, they might have difficulty trusting others or making decisions. Interesting. OK. A growth example for them is

trusting that your preparation is solid, You can handle unexpected situations even without a backup. Plan. That's good. And think about the times that you have handled situations without a backup plan. So how do we get there? Anagram sixes need to go from fear and doubt to more like courage and inner trust. So ground yourself in what is true right now, not just like or what ifs or what might happen because what what if it works out or what if that doesn't

happen? You can also chunk tasks down into steps to prevent paralysis. Sometimes when they see the big picture, it's overwhelming. So while some types need to focus more on the small details, some need to focus more on the bigger picture. Sometimes the bigger picture can be overwhelming for a six. So we need to chunk that down into steps. Yeah. Trust your training. I mean that again, I feel like I I could see the safety aspect of this. 6 is you guys are more

capable than your anxious mind. Let's on another way to like build the stakes is you can take risks in a low stakes area. Like if you're trying a new treatment method on someone who maybe is a red shirt and it doesn't matter if they make it to the game, like make it healthy for the game on Saturday

or not, right? Or maybe it's like you try something new for maybe not before the big game, but like another time or speaking up in meetings, though it's like could be low stakes depending on what kind of meeting, you know, build a personal tool kit for moments of doubt. So like you know, you're going to feel these things. What works for you? Is it breathing exercises? Is affirmations? Is it grounding routines? Is it something else? Figure out what works for you and do that. So I was.

Going to say this is Speaking of the affirmation so. Our affirmation is I can trust myself to navigate what comes next. Man, these I like the affirmations, they're so uplifting. They are. They are. And they're so individualized. Yeah. OK, so our next one's super fun. It's a type 7.

Type Sevens are the enthusiasts, the dreamers, the visionary. These are like the FOMO of the enneagrams. The party animals of the Enneagrams. They are spontaneous. They are versatile. They're easily distracted. They are scattered. They're optimistic. Their core drive is to have their needs fulfilled, to avoid pain and to experience excitement, lots of excitement. Their core fear is of being deprived and in pain. So also like avoids negativity pretty hard. Later you're going to see how

nines avoid conflict. It's different than an anagram 7 because we're over here. We're avoiding like negativity and pain rather than like. Just conflict. Exactly. So they're like there's slight differences while everyone's going to help an injured athlete. The reason why anagram sevens help is because they're quick on their feet. They see it as fun challenge to make the athlete feel better and get back to the fun. Like just get it over with so they can keep they can keep working.

So they're motivated by optimism, possibility, staying upbeat, interesting. Nice. Sevens bring high energy to the AT room. They pump up the athletes, they try new rehab tools, they keep the morale up. They love variety, navigating chaos, and are great at turning tough days into something more light. Even in tough seasons, they find the light and optimism to inspire others, though they might skip over paperwork, hard conversations or finishing long

term plans. So. That's like a stuck point for an 8 for A7. So what does that eventually progress into? They might become like scattered, overcommitted. They take on too much because they love to say yes. Why would they say no? That could cause pain or negativity. That's not fun. They they, they get in those hard conversations they don't like to have. They constantly seek stimulation. So like more tasks, right? Or they are like jumping between a lot of projects because again,

like stimulation, more fun. So they might take on too much of that. They overly avoid those hard conversations or that emotional depth. Whereas Anagram 4 is really comfortable in like that deep emotion. Sevens might not feel like they can handle that for very long. So like, think about like, a relationship between the two. They might have to compromise a little bit. Like, I can stand a little bit of emotional depth, but we can't do as much as an Entagram for once. Does that make sense?

Yeah. So then what does that personal

growth look like for A7? Sticking with a rehab protocol even when it gets repetitive and using creativity to keep it engaging. So even if they're doing the same thing over again, like maybe adding in something like using that creativity to make it fun. And it's gonna make it fun for the athlete too, for sure. If you start to notice like that, like you're losing joy in the exciting things, like that's again, another source of stress.

Or a lot of times, like if you're trying to stay busy to avoid feeling, that's like a stressful point of A72. Got you. So what steps can be taken to kind of get to that kind of growth? So instead of avoidance, we want to get to depth and commitment. So learning to sit with the discomfort in tough conversations or a slow placed clinical day, like, yeah, sitting in the ATR is not all that fun sometimes.

But learning to sit with that slow down instead of staying busy and trying to just keep yourself active so that you don't have to feel, let yourself experience those tough emotions without running to the next distraction. So like, they don't build up. Yeah, you can find your vulnerability. Talk to someone safe about what you're really feeling. Get curious about what you're avoiding 'cause there might be something good in there. Interesting. OK. And then finally finish what you start.

So create small goals and built in reward systems. This is like making things fun is how you can keep going. Yeah, no matter what you do. And they're very creative. So like finding something that is makes it fun is something that's also up their alley for sure. So our affirmation for sevens is joy can be found in stillness and structure. Nice. So sevens. I didn't say this, but Sevens don't really like to be micromanaged for obvious reasons. That's not fun.

Exactly. Another type that does not like

to be micromanaged is type 8. This is the Challenger Boss protector. So this is like anagram one and three combined on steroids. So. But this is also where a two would go into stress, right? Yes. So like I said before, like those those different types, each type has a stress point and each type has a health point. It's like some people call them arrows, some people call them stress, some people call them disintegration or integration. So whatever you want to call it,

yeah. So like a type 8IN stress gets a little bit more like manipulative or like like not not specifically like all of a type 8, but like some of the stress points of it. Yeah. So eights are amazing. They are strong, they are powerful. They are so self confident. They are decisive. That is so hard. Think of like an enneagram 6 that's that's like difficult with making decisions. Eights are the opposite.

They are also confrontational. So core drive is to be strong and protect themselves and others. Core fears of being harmed or controlled by others.

So they're going to avoid like again, that micromanagement or someone telling them what to do. These will not survive in like I said before, like threes definitely wouldn't survive in a assistant athletic trainer role, but holy moly eights absolutely will not survive if someone's above them and telling them what to do. Yeah, everyone helps injured athlete, but the reason why anagram eights help is because they won't let anyone on their watch go down without a fight.

They'll take control and make sure that they are taken care of. They're motivated by protection, strength and control. AIDS are powerful leaders. They are loyal and direct. They advocate fiercely for athlete welfare and safety. They're the ATS who will challenge a coach for pushing a concussed athlete. Or they're going to speak up when policy is unfair. They tend to think rules are limiting to their independence and therefore will push the boundaries.

Often they command presence in emergencies. They lead confidently but may intimidate or over control others without realization. So they really have to be careful about roles. Boundaries make sure they're not stepping out of their lane because they think they can do it better than someone else. So what are some of those those stress traits for an 8? Eights in stress are going to have more of that explosive emotional, like anger or

emotional shutdowns. They may bulldoze others, especially those who they see is weaker, seek conflict, or they're going to find power struggles or they're going to take excessive risks. So as you see, like some of the other types are like avoiding that conflict, like AIDS are going to go head to head. They're going to distrust authority figures, and they may feel like angry, cynical, or disillusioned when their strength is misused or

unrecognized. Interesting. OK. So then what does like growth

look like for them? Instead of like when they're working with students, asking a student how they felt during a high pressure eval, instead of telling them like how they should have done it. So then they can get a little bit more of that perspective. That is how you start to go from like control to more vulnerability and collaboration. So seeing other people's perspectives, not like my way or the highway. Practice sharing power.

This is a hard one. Ask for others input even when you're confident in your own stance, 'cause we know aids are confident in their stances. We know that vulnerability is not weakness, so knowing that, embodying that, let trusted people around you know when you need help. Prioritize softness, walks, music, rest, emotional release. Something that they don't really feel comfortable with. Be comfortable with the uncomfortable. Explore the difference between strength and force.

You can lead without dominating. I think that's important. I feel like this is something I also say to my athletes when they are being hard headed and trying to practice or play in a game while they're injured. I always remind them that there's a difference. There's a fine line between tough and stupid. Yeah, and I would rather them be tough. I don't want them to be stupid. So again, like noticing the difference. There's there's a way you like, you are obviously a good leader.

You don't need to brute force your way through leading. Got it. Let your team see that softer side check and emotionally express that gratitude. Admit when you're tired. Kind of like what we're going back to A3. Let them see your human side. Yeah, to connect instead of just domineering. Yeah. Our affirmation Is it safe to let others help? I don't have to carry it all alone to be strong. Oh. That's good. Yeah, that one took a little bit of tweaking. Got it.

I liked the carrying it. You don't have to carry it yourself to still be strong for sure. Eights identify with being strong for.

Sure. So the last, the last point in our. Last but not least, Type 9 Type Nines are OK with being last because they are peacemakers, mediators, peacekeepers. They are agreeable. They're complacent. They're accommodating. They're flexible. They are trusting. They make a great caboose. Their core drive is to maintain inner and outer peace and their core fear is of to avoid conflict, loss or separation. So they don't like any of those

things. So they're going to do everything in their power to stay away from those things. While everyone helps an injured athlete and Anagram 9 will help because they want to keep that situation calm, their also want to make sure that that athlete's OK and then make sure everyone stays grounded. So like crowd control, harmony, they're motivated by reassurance and steadiness. They're they're nice calm presence Nines keep the AT

facility calm. They're good at de escalating conflict cause again, they like to avoid. They either just withdraw from it or they can de escalate it. They get along with everyone. They are approachable, they are grounding, they are supportive. They help athletes feel safe and heard. They're often they often avoid conflict or defer to others too much even when they have great ideas themselves. Sometimes twos and nines get mistaken or mistyped because you can see how twos do things for

others. Nines don't do things for the betterment of others or so that it benefits themselves. They more do it so that the piece is. Interesting. Is stay like just stays? Got it. So like anagram twos in stress are OK with conflict and will actually seek out conflict sometimes and whereas anagram nines will not. Yeah. OK. That's an. That's an interesting kind of

distinction between that. And like anagram, twos will go head to head with someone if it is affecting the needs of someone that they are trying to. For sure. To protect. I agree. Yeah, you like, you're a great advocate for your athletes and you'll go head to head without whatever you need, whereas nines like kind of slither away from that conflict.

Got it. So then like you were saying like so we talked about kind of what the two kind of looks like in stress where that kind of helps kind of differentiate between it, but what about a nine in stress? So nines in stress are going to procrastinate, which obviously every type can procrastinate, but they're procrastinating because they avoid the difficult things. They're going to numb out, disconnect, feel invisible, apathetic. This is. Kind of. That's hard to see.

Mm Hmm. And this again, like remember the 369 is on a like a triad, you'll see like on that triad, like threes numb, disconnect, feel apathetic towards things in stress. So like same thing with the nines. They're going to numb out, disconnect, apathetic. They're going to lose a sense of purpose or direction. Nines actually do really well with threes because threes provide that drive when nines kind of need. I would say kind of lose that.

Right in stress nines also put others needs and wants and preferences first rather than their they own their own. So then they might actually go along with some poor decisions to avoid rocking the boat. Interesting. OK. So a growth example would be for

a nine speaking up during staff meetings with like a new system or something that you're passionate about, even if it might cause tension at first. Start small. Yes, are small. Choose one thing to like assert today 'cause your voice matters too. You can't just allow like there's a reason why you are in that room. So to go from avoidance to more action, assertiveness, identify what you're passionate about in the field and let that drive you forward.

Energize through yourself. Energize yourself through movement or music. Enneagram 9 is definitely a body type, so feeling things and allowing things to move through their body might help energize them. Set clear goals and boundaries. Same thing with A2, but twos overextend themselves so that's where they need to create that boundary. Nines it's, it's not really the same as because they're overextending themselves more because they're not trying to, they're just going to appease

others just to keep the peace. So if they're, if you're able to create that boundary, people don't like boundaries sometimes, but in order to protect yourself and your time and your voice, those boundaries are necessary. Yep, for sure. Don't be afraid to make waves. Conflict handled well can lead to a deeper connection and growth. This is so hard, and I'm not an underground 9 so I can't imagine how immensely, exponentially harder it must be.

But the people who I have hard conversations with are the people who have the best connections with and the people who I can continue to have the hard conversations. But those hard conversations kind of disappear and get a lot easier because we did a lot in the beginning and a lot over time. So then it's not so big and heavy when they do pop up. For sure. Our affirmation for Nanogram 9 is my voice matters. Peace includes me too. Oh, that's good.

I like that. So those are the nine types. I think that was a great overview. Thank you. Yeah, for just in general. So I didn't actually put an action item, but let's see. An action item is figure out your type, go back and listen to a couple of the ones that you kind of identified with a little bit more. Find your type and identify one thing that you notice in stress and one thing that you notice in growth. There's an action.

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