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That Famed EVM-12L Sound

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In the 1960s and 70s, the JBL D120/K120 was the top choice  for the touring pro who didn't want to worry about blowing a speaker on the road. However, in 1983,  Electro-Voice released the EVM-12L, and soon after everyone from Eric Clapton & Stevie Ray Vaughan to Mark Knopfler and Larry Carlton were using EV speakers in their rigs. Today,  I lay out some history/context, and compare it with my usual Eminence GA-SC64, as we look at the 200-watt, 20 pound, 12" speaker that changed guitar tones throughout the 80s and 90s, the EVM 12L.

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0:14

well hello friends and welcome to ask


0:16

Zack today we are going to talk about


0:20

the evm12l this is the 20 lb


0:28

monstrosity w


0:31

um that uh electrovoice introduced in


0:36

1983 see I'm struggling to lift it up um


0:41

yeah we're going to talk about the


0:43

difference between the EV which is a


0:46

cast frame speaker we're going to talk


0:47

about the difference between that and


0:49

you know of course the Pressed frame you


0:51

know steel pressed frame speaker like


0:53

we're used to going to talk about that


0:56

going to talk about the differences in s


1:00

we're going to do a little bit of a


1:01

comparison we're going to talk about the


1:04

advantages of each and kind of what


1:06

they're


1:07

doing um talk about kind of response


1:11

time and kind of how the EV acts like a


1:14

piston and uh yeah and what an amazing


1:18

engine it has and also some of the


1:21

things that you there's a lot of hurdles


1:24

like let's say you want to use an EV


1:26

speaker it's not like you can just slap


1:28

one into your Deluxe Reverb or what have


1:32

you so we're going to talk about that


1:33

too the logistics if like let's say you


1:36

wanted to use an EV speaker in your rig


1:39

so yeah and we're just going to have fun


1:42

all right so while I'm thinking about it


1:45

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1:48

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1:50

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1:53

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1:57

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2:00

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2:02

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2:04

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2:07

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2:09

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2:11

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2:12

the show I'm


2:14

grateful all right let's dive in so of


2:18

course this episode in some way is a


2:19

response video to the JBL video I did a


2:23

year or so


2:25

ago and in a nutshell you know the JBL


2:30

was kind of the first kind of higher


2:33

wattage uh you know cast frame you know


2:37

speaker and then of course you kind of


2:40

get other speakers coming along like the


2:42

Altech Lancing which of course kind of


2:44

comes from James B Lancing and other


2:46

things and you get Electro Voice was


2:50

really primarily making microphones of


2:54

course they were making other other


2:55

products too but they really didn't get


2:58

into the speaker world as far as musical


3:02

instruments uh until into the' 70s and


3:06

that's when we start seeing EV speakers


3:08

in guitar amps and the first ones were


3:11

the U you know the


3:13

SRO which was this you know Alo


3:17

magnet uh with the you know big coffee


3:21

can cover on the uh on the magnet and


3:24

that was a uh a popular speaker but not


3:27

not nearly as popular as let's say the


3:30

the JBL or even the


3:32

Altech


3:33

so EV releases a ceramic magnet evm 12l


3:40

in


3:41

1983 and it's a big deal and it's a big


3:45

deal because it is a more neutral


3:49

sounding speaker than the JBL or the


3:51

Altec so the


3:54

JBL had really the d120 only had about a


3:58

40 watt rating and the k120 had probably


4:02

a 60 watt rating and they also had this


4:05

aluminum dust cover in the middle here


4:08

let's uh point the dust cover this this


4:11

is of course on a uh you know this is on


4:13

a imminent alesandro speaker but this


4:15

part on a JBL is much bigger and it's


4:18

and it's you know and it's


4:21

metal and so what that does is it


4:25

extends the frequency range of the


4:28

speaker it kind of w widens it and so


4:31

with


4:32

that you get the stereotypical chirp you


4:37

get this sound that is part of the lure


4:40

and the lore and the love of the JBL


4:43

speaker was this aluminum dust cover


4:47

that give gave you extended highend and


4:50

gave you a chirp on the notes well a lot


4:54

of people loved him a lot of people


4:55

hated him and so when EV


5:00

came out with the evm12l and again I'm


5:02

going to lift this


5:04

monstrosity and you had this gigantic uh


5:08

dust cover that was not


5:11

metal well it created a


5:15

smoother more neutral sound and it


5:19

wasn't really hyping the highend and so


5:23

EV had created this speaker that was a


5:26

little more flat in its response than


5:29

let's say the


5:32

JBL so uh it becomes very popular and


5:38

many uh Pro guitar players start using


5:41

the EV speaker so you have everyone from


5:45

Eric Clapton who would use them with


5:48

sanos in the later 80s but would even


5:51

use them with red knob Twins and and


5:55

Marshalls and you know Clapton and


5:57

others would take Marshall 412


6:00

and they would pull out the celestian


6:02

speakers and they put EVS in there and


6:05

that was a very very common thing Mark


6:07

offler had been using EVS for a while he


6:11

had been using EVS with


6:14

um uh perhaps with the music man amps


6:18

but absolutely but with the Boogie amps


6:20

he was using and then also when noler


6:23

went over to using the S Soldano amps in


6:26

the late 80s he uh he was using EV


6:30

speakers with them Steve Ron uh who had


6:34

been using different types of jbls be it


6:36

the you know D1 120s K1 120s even the E1


6:40

120s and 130s and such he switched over


6:43

pretty much completely to EV speakers in


6:46

all of his Fender type and dumble


6:50

amplifiers and of course dumble uh


6:53

dumble you know used a variety of


6:55

speakers early on including Alex and but


6:59

when they EV series came out he uh he


7:02

began using the the 12l a lot and also


7:05

he would use the


7:06

12s which is a variation that has a


7:09

little shallower basket and because of


7:11

that it tends to have a little bit more


7:13

mid-range and uh and that's the EV that


7:17

uh at times Larry Carlton would use and


7:21

Pete Anderson who of course is a


7:23

favorite guitar player of of


7:26

mine and uh you he was using alte and


7:29

eeve speakers in his Deluxe Reverb


7:32

amplifier so he would this was like


7:34

early on in the Dwight Yokum years Pete


7:37

would uh he had two Deluxe Reverb amps


7:40

and he would he had one of them had a an


7:43

Altech in it and the other one had an


7:45

evm


7:46

12s and that's and that 12s is uh I


7:51

think mainly you know what you hear on a


7:54

lot of those first couple records so and


7:57

definitely the live stuff that's


7:58

available


8:00

so EV


8:03

really kind of took over um they kind of


8:06

displaced JBL as the uh the big


8:11

especially guitar high-end guitar


8:13

speaker now EVS were not put in you know


8:18

a lot of your run-of-the-mill amplifiers


8:20

it was usually a uh an upgrade or it was


8:23

with more of your boutique amp which


8:25

even like mesaboogie would have very


8:27

much been considered a boutique


8:28

amplifier in the 70s and 80s really and


8:32

uh and they of course they had an


8:35

upgrade you could get an EV and they


8:36

even had a an inhouse uh EV with the


8:40

black shadow uh name on it but it was


8:43

just an evm12l


8:45

uh let's talk a little bit about the


8:49

cast frame to uh you know stamped frame


8:54

so here


8:56

is one of my favorite um stamped frame


9:00

speakers and I don't like this in


9:02

everything but I especially like this in


9:04

my I I gig a lot with a headstrong


9:07

little King which is basically a


9:08

Princeton with a 12-in speaker it's not


9:10

hot rotted in any other way and this is


9:13

mainly what I use on my


9:15

show and I gig with it and it came with


9:18

this speaker in it and I really like it


9:19

a lot however I bought another one which


9:22

is this one right here and I tried


9:25

putting it in my Deluxe and I didn't


9:26

like it as much because I kind of like a


9:28

speaker with more mids like a vintage 30


9:30

or even like a A g1265 or et65 from


9:35

warehouse but um yeah I really like this


9:40

uh speaker in a Princeton because a


9:42

Princeton has more mids to it than a


9:44

deluxe does cuz a a Princeton doesn't


9:46

have as much bandwidth it uh it just


9:49

can't you know because it's smaller


9:51

Transformers and everything so it ends


9:52

up being a little more midrangey


9:54

sounding than a deluxe and so this


9:56

speaker works really well in it okay


9:59

enough about that let's talk about stamp


10:01

frame so this is steel that's stamped


10:04

into this shape and then they attach the


10:08

magnet and uh you know of course they


10:11

have a uh paper cone and you know it's


10:13

got some kind of material that's put as


10:16

a strengthener here on the on the


10:18

surround here and then this one has a


10:22

felt uh dust cover and uh and that


10:26

that's nice because it kind of uh


10:27

Smooths out the highs and so this is a a


10:31

good speaker so this weighs 72 lb and it


10:35

handles 40 watts and uh yeah good little


10:39

uh good little


10:41

speaker so now let's get the monstrosity


10:46

and I think I'm going to have to put my


10:47

uh my old Strat down so I don't end up


10:52

crashing into


10:54

it so here we go


11:00

yeah evm 12l this is 20 lbs


11:05

okay so this is a cast frame diecast you


11:11

know speaker frame and so it's weighs a


11:15

ton it weighs 20 lb it's 122 lb heavier


11:20

than the other speaker that's a lot more


11:22

to carry around as you can see it also


11:26

has a much bigger uh dust cover in the


11:30

middle it uh is made of heavier you know


11:34

paper the the cone material has this


11:36

really strong surround on it and then of


11:39

course you have a gigantic magnet that's


11:42

covered with a heat sink so you you may


11:45

be thinking why does that EV look


11:47

different than the ones that I've seen


11:49

well that's because it has this one has


11:51

a heat sink on it and so here you can


11:54

see I've removed one that's because I've


11:57

got the other EV of this pair is


12:00

actually you know plugged in right now


12:02

and I had to take this off just so it'


12:04

fit in the


12:05

amplifier and so this is to dissipate


12:09

heat and it's made of aluminum and it


12:12

has these uh you know has these uh


12:16

whatchamacallits on here uh you know


12:19

that help uh dissipate the heat


12:22

someone's going to have fun uh yeah just


12:24

cuz I've I've gone blank uh but yeah so


12:28

but if you take this off the amp loses


12:30

about I mean not the amp the speaker


12:32

loses about 2 lb so but uh yeah and


12:36

again you take this off it looks like a


12:38

regular


12:40

EV all right uh so what's different you


12:45

know so we've talked about the


12:46

construction obviously you know these


12:48

are much more expensive to make uh they


12:51

have much bigger magnet on them a


12:53

ceramic magnet and uh so what's the


12:56

difference in tone well I'm going to do


12:59

a little bit of playing example but


13:00

let's just talk about what's happening


13:06

well with the


13:08

EV it's like having this gigantic engine


13:12

that just is able to do whatever you


13:15

want in a split second and so its


13:18

reaction time is very different so when


13:21

you're using an EV speaker it's pumping


13:24

out the note it pumps it out it does it


13:26

exactly it has a quick response time


13:29

also it will come to rest you know with


13:33

how you play it doesn't you know kind of


13:36

keep wiggling around or or just kind of


13:40

uh you know continuing to to resonate


13:42

for reason uh the stamped frame


13:46

speaker uh doesn't have the same kind of


13:50

response time really and it doesn't come


13:53

to rest in the same way and that's


13:57

because it just doesn't have the engine


13:59

behind it it doesn't have the gigantic


14:01

magnet and the suspension and everything


14:02

else so there's just a a way in


14:06

which the stamp frame speaker will kind


14:10

of have some other artifacts going on


14:13

which a lot of people


14:15

like and you'll you know some people


14:18

will say with the EV it sounds more


14:21

sterile and it's not that it sounds


14:23

sterile it's just that it's not really


14:25

adding a lot to the situation it's doing


14:27

exactly what it's told to do it's kind


14:29

of vanilla


14:32

neutral uh but extremely accurate and


14:35

extremely powerful and it just spits out


14:38

exactly what's put into it now does that


14:41

mean it sounds bad no it sounds great it


14:44

has a great sound to it and uh you you


14:46

just kind of have to get used to it but


14:48

that's the


14:49

sound you know if you heard you know


14:52

Steve Ron would have recorded with the


14:54

same you know gear that he used out on


14:56

the road which especially by the uh you


15:00

know by like inep or such would


15:02

absolutely have been all EV stuff um I'm


15:06

sure he used some other amplifiers too


15:08

but the core stuff the dumble and the


15:11

super reverbs and the Viber verbs and


15:12

all those things would have all been EV


15:15

equipped uh you know again Clapton


15:18

knofler you know so much of the boogie


15:20

stuff and the dumble stuff is all e


15:23

speakers


15:25

um yeah it just it kind of spit gets out


15:30

exactly what it's given and a lot of


15:32

guys like EV speakers because they


15:35

really let the sound of the amplifier


15:37

come through they're not adding


15:38

coloration so guy like Pete


15:42

Anderson would love an EV because the


15:46

only Distortion is going to come from


15:48

the tubes it's not going to come from


15:50

the


15:51

speaker uh it really lets the amplifier


15:55

and the Transformers and everything kind


15:57

of come through the sound there's not


15:59

this other layer of coloration coming


16:02

through or again


16:04

Distortion uh going back to the response


16:08

time of the


16:09

speaker a lot of guys that are fast


16:12

precise players like the EV and the


16:17

JBL and so a guy like Albert Lee back in


16:21

the day uh he would always you know


16:24

prefer to use an amplifier that had EVS


16:28

or JB


16:29

L's and that was because of the speed


16:32

with which he played and the response


16:35

time that he wanted now is this saying


16:37

if you're a fast player you have to use


16:39

EVS no not at all it's a it's a personal


16:43

preference thing I mean if you think


16:45

about Brent Mason Brent Mason played


16:47

tons of incredibly fast guitar parts


16:50

that were run through you know most


16:53

likely celestian vintage 30s you know he


16:55

used a couple cabinets and had his


16:57

Deluxe Reverb had a vintage 30 in it and


17:00

he had a twin and he had some a basement


17:02

cab that all had vintage 30s in them and


17:05

that was kind of his you know a lot of


17:09

the sound that you heard with Brent when


17:11

he was using Fender amp so on a lot of


17:13

those Allen Jackson things you know


17:16

you're hearing vintage 30s and he's


17:17

playing plenty fast what you get with


17:21

the stamped frame speaker is you get


17:24

more smear so it's kind of like you hit


17:26

the note and it kind of smears it around


17:29

a little bit while the EV is just super


17:32

accurate it's just hitting the dot and


17:33

coming back while with the the stamped


17:36

frame speaker and then depending on what


17:38

kind of stamped frame speaker whether


17:39

it's a a Jensen or an Oxford or a


17:42

celestian or whatever you know it gets


17:44

its own smear


17:47

like a celestian blue has a certain


17:49

smear to the note and people love it and


17:52

people love celestian Blues um but yeah


17:54

all you know kind of lower wattage


17:56

stamped frame speakers just tend to have


17:58

have kind of a smear to the note and uh


18:02

and that's a thing but so is having an


18:05

EV or a JBL and I think the EV had even


18:08

an advantage over the JBL because it uh


18:12

it you know it didn't smear and it


18:13

didn't have the coloration of the


18:15

aluminum dome and I think the EV worked


18:17

better with a lot of uh you know


18:20

Distortion and effects and that's why


18:22

the studio cats of course they were


18:24

running direct a lot but otherwise a lot


18:26

of times the studio guys in the'80s in


18:28

'90s in uh especially in LA in the'80s


18:31

you know they were using Electro Voice


18:33

speakers they had them in their Rivera


18:36

modded amplifiers and they had them in


18:39

the you know in wedges and and you know


18:41

cabs that that how they you know when


18:43

they had their racks with the par amps


18:44

in them most of the time the speaker


18:47

cabs that they used with them were uh


18:49

like these 112 Pacific cabs that had EVS


18:52

in


18:53

them all right well I think we've done


18:56

enough talking about this so I'm going


18:59

to do a uh a comparison where I'm going


19:02

to play some things on the uh on with


19:07

the EV and then I'm going to compare it


19:09

to the


19:10

allesandro and so again I'm using I'm


19:13

using my my Strat and uh the only effect


19:17

that I have on is I have a little bit of


19:19

compression coming from a mirage


19:21

compressor and uh the amp is my Little


19:24

King which is 12 watts and it this is


19:26

the speaker in it and then I have a


19:29

similar sized Speaker Cabinet cuz I


19:32

wanted to get as close as possible uh so


19:35

I have a similar sized speaker cabinet


19:37

that I have the evm 12l in and so I'm


19:40

going to play some examples on each and


19:43

then uh and then we'll we'll wrap it up


19:46

one thing I will uh I want to give


19:48

credit to uh that pedal show they did a


19:51

great EV episode and the strongest thing


19:54

about it is that they basically did all


19:57

you know mostly audio examples I mean


19:59

they talk about it too and those guys


20:00

are brilliant they're great but uh they


20:04

play a bunch of different amplifiers so


20:06

you get to hear you know a Princeton and


20:09

like a Marshall and a matchless and a


20:13

Vox and you get to hear them all and


20:15

it's it's interesting in that they kind


20:17

of they they like the EV best with the


20:20

Vox and the and the the fender but they


20:23

don't really like the EV as much with


20:25

the uh Marshall or the matchless


20:29

all right so we're going to do a couple


20:31

examples


20:36

[Music]


20:58

a


21:07

[Music]


21:49

[Music]


21:55

all right so now you've listened and


21:57

you've decided that you love the EV


22:00

sound and you just got to have one in


22:03

your amp well here are the logistical


22:06

things to think


22:08

about one is that the bolts that are in


22:12

your amp uh in your amplifier they are


22:16

probably not long enough a lot of


22:18

amplifiers have really short bolts


22:20

coming out now some of them have you


22:22

know inset where of course you actually


22:25

use bolts that you screw from the back


22:27

while other ones have bolts that are


22:29

sticking out that are usually pointed


22:31

but most of the time either one are not


22:33

going to be long enough you're lucky in


22:35

that if you have the uh just the


22:37

receptacle in the amp you can just buy


22:40

longer bolts and you can put them in


22:43

there however the other thing to think


22:46

about is that you're putting a 20 lb


22:50

speaker where probably a 5 to 10 lb Max


22:53

speaker was and you could easily bust


22:57

your baffle board board especially if


22:59

you're going down the road and you know


23:02

your amp has a 20 lb speaker in it


23:04

instead of a 5 to 10 lb speaker in it


23:07

and you hit a bump or something like


23:09

that or an amp gets knocked over well


23:10

the first thing that's going to happen


23:11

is that baffle board is going to go


23:13

kapoot so what a lot of guys do that are


23:16

way into EVS especially if you're into


23:19

old Fender amps is they get a new baffle


23:22

board made of thicker stronger wood you


23:25

know with aged gr cloth or whatever you


23:28

want to do and they have you know longer


23:30

bolts on it too and sometimes they even


23:33

have to move where the speaker cut out


23:36

is so that it doesn't hit a Transformer


23:39

or something else on the amp so this is


23:42

not a real simple operation at times to


23:46

uh to kind of squeeze an EV especially


23:49

into a a 112 combo amp it's problematic


23:54

so you have you know the weight problem


23:56

you have the fact that it could crack


23:58

crack your baffle you have the the bolt


24:01

problem you have number of bolts you


24:03

know so uh th those are kind of the uh


24:06

the considerations for that uh the


24:08

easiest thing is probably to get a


24:10

separate Speaker Cabinet but of course


24:11

that's a whole another thing to Lug and


24:14

such it might be good to separate the


24:15

weight out so that's another thing to uh


24:18

weigh over and uh if the EV sound is uh


24:23

just the end all be all yeah the uh the


24:27

EV just has a more neutral response it's


24:31

kind of like a


24:33

um it's almost like the perfect speaker


24:36

for like a modeling amplifier because


24:38

you could switch up things and it would


24:40

uh it always just kind of give you a uh


24:44

a fast honest response thing so all


24:49

right guys but thank you so much for


24:50

watching today I really appreciate it


24:52

and we'll see you next time bye-bye

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