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Tele Pickup Height with JD Simo and Dan Strain

Jun 01, 202427 minEp. 198
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A discussion with my friends, JD Simo, and Dan "Danocaster" Strain about how they set pickup height on Telecaster type guitars. The discussion begins with a look at Simo's 2nd Danocaster, and how he had just changed the pickups to a set of Budz 58s, that then evolves into a discussion on pickups as JD adjusts his new instrument. We also discuss pickups that favor harmonics over fundamental tones, and how JD and I love our Headstrong Lil King amps.

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fun times here aren't


1:07

we here at


1:09

dance yes so today we're at Casa


1:13

danocaster Casa yeah Casa danter and so


1:17

we're hanging out and uh you know of


1:19

course we've got uh you know the the Dan


1:22

right here and we've got the JD Simo


1:25

here and JD has a new danocaster that he


1:28

got yeah tell us about it well I've had


1:32

my main guitar for over two years now


1:36

which been that long yeah which was D


1:40

personal guitar which you graciously


1:42

allowed me to purchase from you um I've


1:45

never been a big uh uh spare kind of guy


1:50

just never been but I rely on that


1:53

instrument solely so much that it's been


1:56

in the back of my mind it's like man I


1:58

should you know cuz as you know Dan you


2:00

know it's you know you're you're always


2:04

kind of in con how many guitars do you


2:05

make a week I I'm slow I've slowed down


2:08

about two or three okay so it's like


2:11

when and it's rare that like one is


2:13

either not accounted for you just happen


2:16

to come over right and be like look I


2:18

got this you know exactly and which he's


2:20

gracious enough to do uh a week ago um


2:24

and so he had a couple of instruments


2:25

that were coming through and this uh


2:29

yeah I played and I was like that's


2:30

amazing and I I do got to say the fact


2:33

that you uh and I don't I won't you can


2:36

interject like I don't want to put words


2:38

in your map but it's like the fact that


2:39

you have the we were talking about this


2:41

earlier the freedom to like mix and


2:45

match when you're when you decide a


2:46

guitar is finished yeah it's because


2:49

you've like oh these belong together


2:51

yeah this whatever whatever that that


2:55

that part of it is such a huge right I


2:57

would say yeah I think they're


2:59

definitely more consist consistent now


3:00

that I'm not doing custom orders where


3:03

people could just be like I want this


3:05

body this neck this you put it all


3:07

together like that had pickups in it


3:09

that you loved yeah but what we're here


3:11

doing here today is TW I want to tne a


3:13

different set of pickups you know right


3:15

and you like it even better and I like


3:16

it even better yeah no it had um so


3:20

first of all like I I used this a couple


3:22

nights ago um it does have a pick guard


3:25

normally it does yeah the reason the


3:27

pick guard is off is because we're


3:28

setting pickup height which can talk


3:30

about uh as well but uh yeah it it it uh


3:34

it's this beautiful you're calling this


3:36

midnight metallic yeah and it's kind of


3:39

like a darkened aged Lake plastic it's


3:42

like a lake plasted blue with a ton of


3:45

black in it and a little bit of an Amber


3:47

coat to bring in a green Hue tiny bit


3:50

but it's it's like a really under lights


3:52

it probably looks like is that black or


3:54

is that blue I don't know it a lot of


3:56

people it's metallic you know yeah and a


3:57

lot of people were asking the other


3:58

night um


4:00

but yeah so it had it had a different


4:02

set of pickups and it and you have a


4:04

longstanding relationship with several


4:06

different makers but but buds in


4:08

particular and so Zach so so tell tell


4:13

the people what these are what we just


4:15

put in here that's a 58 set that's sort


4:17

of been tweaked it's a favorite of Zach


4:20

Childs who you're allar with which is


4:23

what's in this red guitar right which is


4:25

in the the doco the doco special which


4:28

my most popular one of my most popular


4:30

sets is the buds 2.0 Dano set and it's a


4:35

little more Stout it actually came about


4:39

sort of pursuing


4:41

the Peter Florence type of sound you


4:44

know and it we didn't get there but it


4:46

turned into something else and it's more


4:48

of a stout Fuller than your typical late


4:53

50s telecast would really be so um


4:57

that's where this came in Zach I


5:00

made I think it was for the guitar I'm


5:02

not sure maybe it was just for this


5:04

guitar but it was like what if we did


5:06

one more like a real 58 so we measured


5:10

his we measured mine which is also


5:12

original 58 and talked to buds about


5:14

what we can do and so it's a little bit


5:16

lower output some people would be like


5:18

it's too thin it's too twangy but it's


5:20

actually right I mean it's it's more


5:22

like a real one than the other ones it


5:23

doesn't mean everybody's going to like


5:25

it more but uh it's a little bit more


5:28

twang the neck is a little a little bit


5:30

rounder and


5:31

warmer um which I like we were just


5:34

commenting on I like it too cuz


5:36

it's it just what was in here were great


5:41

but


5:42

like when something is really we're


5:44

talking like strong fundamental meaning


5:47

that the note is bold yeah and present


5:51

and Punchy but like the air that upper


5:56

harmonics live in the fairy dust up


5:58

really high exactly like especially when


6:00

you're used to Old guitars and like my


6:02

Dano that I got from you that was yours


6:05

has old pickups in it right so it


6:07

especially kind of has this especially


6:08

in the bridge pickup like has it's it's


6:11

beautiful there's so much well actually


6:13

if you remember when I sold that to you


6:15

I'm like you know people have asked me


6:16

to sell it but I don't think a lot of


6:18

people would get it yeah no you did I


6:20

did because a lot of people like people


6:22

would have swapped out that pick up like


6:23

the neck is louder than the bridge I


6:25

need the Lou and it's like you got to


6:26

learn work it you and people to this day


6:29

like when I hand it to people it's uh


6:32

it's yeah like I'm I'm used to it and I


6:36

like know that guitar right very well


6:39

now that it's like I yeah it doesn't


6:41

phase me at all but yeah it's like


6:44

because it has the guitar that we're


6:46

speaking of has an old is it is it a a


6:49

paf or an early patent number early


6:51

patent number early patent number and


6:53

it's gold so it came out of a 45 or a 55


6:56

and then it's a 56 a rewound 56


7:00

and it's yeah I mean it's it's just


7:02

beautiful though but what I was telling


7:03

you when I got here is having played


7:06

that guitar for two years it's beautiful


7:09

having just a standard Telecaster like


7:12

that has that you know Cropper you know


7:16

like


7:19

[Music]


7:29

I mean that's great it's it just it's


7:31

been fun for me the last the standard


7:33

neet pickup yeah standard neet pickup


7:35

and this because it's darker and the


7:37

middle position makes


7:40

you oh man


7:44

[Music]


8:12

oh so good there's something to be said


8:13

that there's a mistake a lot of people


8:16

make um it's not a mistake they're


8:18

purposely doing it a lot of people don't


8:20

no it's a mistake well it is kind of I


8:22

mean the the neck pickup on a Telecaster


8:26

a lot of people like it to be kind of


8:27

Strat and extra clear which is why


8:29

you've SE


8:30

but that's why you've seen so many


8:31

telecasters with other pickups put in it


8:33

because people like I don't really like


8:34

the neck pickup but you get good it it


8:38

really affects the middle sound


8:39

tremendously and if you get a bridge


8:41

that's a little bit bright and a neck


8:43

that's a little bit fat and warm but


8:44

still clear it makes that classic tone


8:48

and you can as soon as you start putting


8:50

a strish you know neck brighter a


8:54

brighter neck pickup it really changes


8:56

the middle doesn't have the fatness yeah


9:00

this is great so I mean I don't know we


9:02

were how you doing Zach are you enjoy


9:04

are you I mean he's got a strong arm you


9:07

notice how


9:08

steady I'm I'm enjoying you know getting


9:10

getting to hang you know just turn it


9:13

back on


9:14

you I'm enjoying getting getting to


9:16

spend time with with my friends and yeah


9:19

and uh yeah and and what what was going


9:21

on was that of course you know he's


9:23

changing the pickups but everyone has


9:26

kind of their own thing as far as


9:28

setting pickups height and so to me it's


9:31

always really interesting because


9:32

everyone kind of has their their little


9:34

pet thing like I I have you know my kind


9:37

of thing where I I kind of have a


9:40

tendency to


9:41

just you know press down at the last


9:44

fret and I try to get this neck pick up


9:47

as high as it will go now I didn't set


9:48

the height on this actually you know Dan


9:51

did so this one I haven't done it too


9:53

but on a lot of my guitars I will


9:56

basically you know fret the high E


9:58

string on the last fret and I'll


10:00

basically get it where it just clears


10:02

now this is this is a little bit lower


10:04

than I would set it but the thing is the


10:06

guitar sound so good as is and I


10:08

typically set the neck pickup so the


10:13

treble side is higher like they're


10:15

slanted and people are like should I


10:17

yeah I like that I and it makes the base


10:20

not as flabby I usually um on tell every


10:24

guitar is every guitar is different but


10:27

uh Gibson's very different


10:30

setup but I on telecasters I'll set I


10:34

tend to set the bridge pickup height


10:36

first to get it where it's not number


10:40

one where it's not choking but also


10:42

like I can't specify the best I can say


10:46

is where it doesn't sound modern yeah


10:48

like where it sounds old you know and CU


10:51

there is a sweet spot and then I'll


10:53

actually set this by the middle position


10:56

actually like I'll keep bring so I don't


10:59

know this is sounding when you go to the


11:01

bridge do you like it to get a little


11:03

bit louder I don't care you don't care I


11:05

don't care I I do I like it to get if


11:07

you're in the neck or middle and you go


11:08

to the bridge I like a little bit of


11:10

lift and again we we're also like we


11:13

were saying about the guitar I use all


11:14

the time there is a mismatch there so


11:17

it's like I'm really used to it and and


11:20

also the tone control on that is only


11:22

wired here on the bridge yeah so that's


11:25

another thing I liked about this this


11:27

past week is having the tone on


11:29

everything because I don't know the


11:31

older I get it's like I will more often


11:34

make the amp brighter but my tone


11:37

controls always down a bit so shout out


11:40

to Headstrong this is a great little


11:41

amplifier yeah way both of these guys


11:43

have one it makes me want one Wayne is


11:46

is um I actually I only have one vintage


11:50

amp left um I I've I've gotten rid of


11:54

everything because all I ever use is


11:56

this specific one and I have one other


11:58

one that I use a good amount and then


12:00

there's a third one that I that I use


12:02

even less but it's like you know I fly


12:05

with this I mean it's kind of the only


12:06

thing I care it's a basically a straight


12:08

up Princeton Reaver with a 12 yeah yeah


12:11

it sounds great it's I mean I wouldn't


12:13

be able to tell the difference you know


12:15

and I feel like I'm pretty picky yeah


12:18

you know but we can I'll put a little


12:20

bit I I think it's important when


12:23

you're when you're setting not to have


12:25

too much Reverb on cuz it gives you a


12:27

false sense of harmonics I feel


12:30

so like just a little bit is cool


12:32

[Music]


12:38

but I mean that sounds pretty sounds


12:41

pretty good I'm gonna just because I


12:43

want to hear where what's going to


12:44

happen I'm going to jack it up a little


12:46

bit just so I can hear what it sounds


12:48

like up


12:51

but cuz I he touching the string should


12:54

we hear Buzz huh touch oh no it's fine


12:58

it's just yeah yeah it's just it's that


13:01

[Music]


13:08

that you lower it over I brought it up a


13:11

little bit sides both


13:16

sides I'm going to lower the base side


13:19

because it's too much that's pretty loud


13:21

in here I wonder how that hits the


13:24

camera how's it how's it sound like out


13:26

there how's it sound everybody should we


13:28

turn up


13:29

we'll find


13:31

out that sounds pretty


13:32

[Music]


13:35

good it's just hanging in


13:39

[Music]


13:48

there


13:50

yeah and then you turn it down and


13:58

[Music]


14:03

ooh


14:04

[Music]


14:09

so I think again the trouble side's good


14:12

but I'm G to I'm going to actually that


14:15

I'm going to angle just a little bit so


14:18

so you're adjusting just by the sound


14:20

that you want to hear correct yeah which


14:22

I feel like every that's the way to do


14:24

it people are afraid to do that but you


14:26

should really it's so people have often


14:29

call me and be like I think I wish the


14:30

pickup had more this or more that I'm


14:32

like plug in your favorite amp just pick


14:34

up a screwdriver and while you play


14:36

don't don't forget about the way it


14:37

looks just the angle of it raising the


14:40

treble side raing the base side the


14:41

whole thing up the whole thing down it


14:42

makes a tremendous difference you know


14:45

pretty


14:46

huge there it is so I put a little bit


14:49

of angle on this to take some of the tub


14:53

out and now


14:55

it's now it's quacky


14:59

you pulled the base down I no I put uh


15:02

the oh the angle the the angle on the


15:04

front just to take a little bit of tub


15:06

out of the like G and D


15:14

string that's beautiful the angle of the


15:16

dangle


15:17

the so now let's


15:23

[Music]


15:24

see I mean that's pretty damn but let's


15:28

see if we cuz I've got it pretty


15:31

moderate it's not up that high so I bet


15:36

you if we give it a little bit of if we


15:39

raise it a little bit it's going to get


15:41

even kind of


15:44

[Music]


15:46

quacker actually I don't I changed my


15:49

mind I like it where it was um yeah this


15:52

is the thing like people I don't think a


15:54

day goes by especially when I'm Touring


15:57

that people don't ask me about pick a


15:59

height in particular I probably get


16:00

asked most about that your settings


16:02

would affect their guitar though you


16:04

know well and I also think that because


16:06

people know that I'm a tweaker and stuff


16:08

like that and so but it is it's like


16:10

there is no Baseline you have to listen


16:13

on Gibson's it is different because the


16:15

thing I'll say I know this I know you're


16:17

the Telecaster guy so but like there's a


16:22

when you chime usually in like C or B


16:25

position when you go like


16:30

God that sounds


16:33

good like there's a it there's a there's


16:36

a chirp there's like a like that happens


16:39

when when the pickup is just right where


16:42

it needs to be and it's and it won't and


16:44

and the tolerance is like within maybe


16:46

like a quarter of a turn and like it's


16:49

almost Gibsons I think are the


16:52

easiest God that sounds good


16:56

[Music]


16:59

right on buds you make it you


17:02

yeah these are actually these these


17:05

apparently were meant for Zach these


17:07

pick my last set that I I was supposed


17:10

to give them to Zach but buddy JD I


17:13

stole them oh well I got here and you


17:16

were like I have two things we can try I


17:18

have two things and you have to make a


17:20

choice yeah and we had a discussion and


17:23

I didn't want you say both let's try


17:24

them both I wouldn't have wanted to I'm


17:28

I'm bored


17:30

I'm bored like I I love tweaking and


17:32

they're not that r i mean they're


17:34

they're different but they're not


17:36

they're not so radically different you


17:38

know yeah no I totally understand I'm


17:40

literally just like doing super minutia


17:43

here


17:46

[Music]


17:50

but but yeah I'm curious what this is


17:52

going to sound like now what are you


17:55

doing exactly I'm just going up and down


17:57

tiny little increments just seeing if


17:59

there's like a special yeah quarter


18:02

[Music]


18:04

turn


18:06

see


18:09

that's that sounds but you can hear it


18:11

making a difference so I hope it's


18:13

coming I hope it's coming across because


18:15

it's like don't be afraid to mess with


18:16

your pickup folks no and go in small do


18:19

not go in big increments yeah cuz you


18:21

won't first of all you're going to go


18:23

way past you need to always have a point


18:25

of reference so it's like going I I'm a


18:28

quarter turn kind of guy CU It's like


18:32

because I've also found that like where


18:34

pickups really are catching a harmonic


18:35

or something like that only exists for


18:38

it doesn't even exist for half a turn


18:40

really when you find it yeah there you


18:44

go let's hear how


18:46

this Bell


18:50

like strangely pretty balanced


19:00

little Out Of Tune you can handle that


19:02

right asack


19:04

[Music]


19:18

people yeah that's hanging on there so


19:21

there you go I mean like I don't know


19:22

that's how I do it yeah that's great so


19:24

I don't know you


19:26

know it's interesting how much


19:28

difference it really does make you know


19:30

I mean there it's a tweaker Paradise you


19:32

know so the but it really it we changed


19:35

it you know yeah no and although it was


19:37

really good with the other pickups


19:40

it's it's it's more to my it's more


19:43

vintagey sounding it is yeah that's what


19:45

I mean and some


19:47

people like I was saying like it and you


19:50

say all the time it's like it


19:52

everybody's different like


19:53

I like upper like between one and 2K you


19:59

know or actually it's higher than that


20:00

it's like more like five to sevenk the


20:03

little harmonic Peak on top that um


20:07

some people can't even hear some people


20:09

can't even hear it like they wouldn't


20:10

know what I'm talking about and some


20:12

people like the strong fundamental like


20:14

if you're in contact like I was saying


20:17

like in the Stu because I used it this


20:19

on a record last week that I'm producing


20:21

for a guy and I also used it live with


20:24

my buddies and it's like in the studio I


20:27

couldn't because it was cuz it was dense


20:31

I couldn't like the fundamental actually


20:33

was like it it was great like you know


20:36

but when I got live when I got out


20:38

playing live with it I was like oh yeah


20:40

there's all there's that stuff up top


20:42

that isn't there you know so anyway but


20:47

yeah telecasters so I've got two danters


20:51

t- style guitars for the litigious


20:54

people right thank you appreciate that


20:56

it's my pleasure uh so so Zach am I am I


21:02

single cut we don't we single cut single


21:03

cut we don't even like T style single


21:05

cut so am I getting back in your in your


21:07

tea style single cut good graces after


21:11

all these years after all these years


21:13

you're finally fully embraced I I'm more


21:17

embraced than I was in the Don Kelly


21:19

days because in those days it was like I


21:21

had to you know like I liked it and I


21:23

loved it and I was into it but like now


21:25

it's genuinely like no this is just what


21:27

I prefer


21:29

you know so there you have it


21:32

so that's good well guys appreciate


21:36

y'all uh giving us some insight into uh


21:39

into setting pickup height sure so I


21:43

guess the uh the the the lesson the


21:45

lesson of today is that you need to get


21:48

your screwdriver out and you just need


21:50

to sit with the amplifier and you need


21:51

to raise it and lower until you until


21:53

you you hear what you like yeah you're


21:55

not going to break it and you can


21:57

radically make it


21:59

more to your liking very easily and not


22:02

for nothing but


22:04

like you know if you can get your hands


22:07

on one of Dan's you know it's it's I


22:10

mean it's they'll be set right it's yeah


22:12

they will and and you won't ever change


22:14

it if I do it it's right right no but


22:17

for everybody it really is an


22:18

embarrassment of riches you know it's


22:21

like shoot man you


22:24

know like I came over last week and um


22:27

I'm doing this purely to make you


22:29

uncomfortable by the way and I can tell


22:30

that it's working yeah okay move on move


22:32

on but no but like I mean it's like like


22:35

I said the fact that you that you don't


22:37

like sign and be like that guitar is


22:40

done until you're like oh no that is a


22:43

marriage you know like it makes for a


22:46

consistency that is you're not going to


22:48

find in dare I say


22:50

most of your situations out there and we


22:54

were like having a conversation earlier


22:55

that it's like you know we live in a


22:58

very Parts ofter is kind of culture and


23:02

that's where you know like I know like


23:06

when I'm left what I said upstairs


23:08

earlier when we're having coffee like


23:09

when I'm left to my devices whether I'm


23:12

producing or playing on something for


23:14

somebody like if somebody lets me have a


23:16

minute like literally a minute like let


23:18

me have five minutes with this and find


23:20

something that I think is really making


23:22

the whole thing better yeah if you're


23:25

happy with it it's gonna be they're


23:26

gonna more often than not it's like it


23:30

may not be to their to everyone or that


23:32

person's complete liking but it's like


23:34

I'm more apt to be efficient quick and


23:38

also it's the best that I can offer if


23:42

they let me find your vision of what


23:43

that should be and you with the same


23:45

thing that it's like yes we all it's so


23:48

easy to play armchair quarterback but


23:51

it's it's it's like you know you being


23:55

left to make these things the best that


23:58

they can where it's like when you


23:59

finally get to the point where you're


24:00

like all right I'm happy with this that


24:02

is great that's going to a dealer or


24:03

going to a customer it's like there's a


24:05

lot to be said for that exactly so you


24:07

know so there you have it all right so


24:11

that's and that that that all right


24:13

we'll let it go with that right and


24:15

Zach's going to sign us off now yeah


24:16

exactly all right guys well thank you


24:19

for joining us on today's episode of ask


24:21

Zack I had to do very little talking


24:23

which is a great thing for me so uh it's


24:25

a recharge episode for Zach exactly I


24:27

get to rear charge today so uh thank you


24:30

so much we'll see you next time bye-bye

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