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Today I share the story of playing the American Music Awards 50th Anniversary Special with Brad Paisley. He had a new single, "Truck Still Works," and wanted to fill things out with another guitar player. I lay out what I did to learn the guitar parts he wanted covered, the experience of playing on the show, and the gear that I used.

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0:57

well hello friends and welcome to ask


0:59

Zack today I'm going to tell the story


1:02

of how I ended up playing on the 50th


1:06

Anniversary American Music Awards


1:09

television show on


1:11

CBS and uh yeah the tale of how I got


1:15

invited to do that by Brad Paisley of


1:17

course I played with him and uh just the


1:20

prep that I did beforehand and the


1:22

experience of it the kind of hurry up


1:24

and weight of doing uh television and uh


1:28

yeah and I'll show a little bit of the


1:29

parts I'll talk a little bit about the


1:30

gear that I used and all that stuff so


1:33

it'll be


1:35

fun so first off I need to thank my uh


1:38

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1:40

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1:42

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1:44

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1:47

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1:49

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1:51

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1:54

let's dive in so let's see just a little


1:59

short


2:00

uh synopsis on my friendship with Brad


2:02

Paisley we've known each other for 30


2:04

plus years we met in college uh 20 years


2:08

ago I was his uh guitar tech uh for


2:11

about a 2 and a half year period and you


2:14

know of course since then we've been uh


2:15

continued our friendship and uh you know


2:18

we work on guitars together and do


2:20

things like that however I don't really


2:23

play with him very often now when I was


2:25

his guitar tech 20 years ago I would


2:28

sometimes play the Opry with them or


2:29

some times an award show here and there


2:32

but since then um I don't normally do


2:35

that and it's not something that I ask


2:39

or have any expectation you know I went


2:41

on a whole European tour and you know I


2:44

had you know it's it's Brad show and


2:47

it's a great show and uh you know I'm


2:50

I'm not needed I mean they have a he has


2:52

a great


2:53

band however uh they were doing his new


2:57

single called truck still works and Brad


3:00

called me up and he said hey there's a


3:02

bunch of guitar parts on here and


3:05

between Gary and I Gary hooker Brad's


3:07

guitar player uh feel we feel like uh


3:10

there needs to be another guitar player


3:12

to help fill things out I said okay he


3:15

said we're going to do the American


3:16

Music Awards this 50th Anniversary show


3:18

we're going to fly out to Los


3:20

Angeles uh you know here you know here's


3:23

the tune you know yada yada yada so I


3:28

you know immediately you had to think


3:30

about uh yeah learning the song and such


3:32

and also little Side Story uh


3:36

which I'm going to have to do a whole


3:38

separate episode on this but uh this is


3:42

a late


3:44

80s uh Glazer Bender


3:47

guitar that uh was put together from


3:50

parts that were up in Joe Glazer's attic


3:54

and I'm going to tell the whole story on


3:56

this later but Brad Paisley was very


3:58

involved in this and actually did all


4:00

the finish work on this and so part of


4:03

this was that I had just gotten this


4:05

guitar we just got it finished because


4:08

of course it needed dots in the neck and


4:10

you know all sorts of things and so Brad


4:14

was also kind of excited because he


4:15

thought it'd be fun for me to play this


4:18

guitar on TV also so so there you have


4:23

it so you know New Guitar let's uh let's


4:25

have fun and let's go play on an award


4:29

show this is my world so uh anyway so


4:34

getting back to to prepping for doing


4:36

the show so the first thing I do is I


4:40

start listening to the song over and


4:42

over again and I listen to it in


4:44

different places so because depending on


4:48

what type of speaker and the way things


4:50

are you know again the way something


4:52

sounds on your iPhone compared to the


4:55

way things sound in a good stereo like


4:57

in your car or in your home versus


4:59

headphones and things like that it


5:01

sounds different and you kind of pick up


5:03

different


5:04

things so I started really listening to


5:06

the song then the best way I found to


5:10

learn a song is to make a chart of it


5:12

because when you make a chart you know


5:14

you have to really sit down and figure


5:16

out you know make sure that you know the


5:17

chords and the form so I made a little


5:21

you know simple Nashville number chart


5:23

and so then you know you've got intro


5:25

Verse Chorus Verse Chorus solo Bridge


5:28

chorus and out


5:30

and I've got you know the title of the


5:31

song the key and then I've got little


5:34

notes on where certain licks are because


5:37

of course you know this is a Brad


5:39

Paisley um song so I'm not going to be


5:42

playing any solos and uh so but I'm


5:45

going to be playing like some fills and


5:47

things like that and some Unison lines


5:49

with the petal steel so I made all these


5:52

notes also I saw that there was uh a lot


5:56

of uh you know mandolin stuff and so


6:00

after I made the chart and listen to it


6:02

a bunch then I called Brad so that I can


6:05

have an intelligent conversation because


6:07

now I know the format of the song I know


6:10

the different things that are going on


6:11

that are not being covered by the band


6:14

uh I know all these you know these extra


6:16

parts I'm kind of aware of them so then


6:17

it's like okay what do you want me to


6:20

play and he said well there's a baritone


6:22

guitar part at the beginning of the song


6:25

and he said you don't need a baritone


6:27

because I start on a d note so just


6:29

lower your E string to D and so uh this


6:33

is the line that's at uh kind of the top


6:35

of the song he plays a lick on the Telly


6:38

and then there's this baritone part that


6:40

comes


6:41

[Music]


6:43

in and you know that's that's it for a


6:46

little bit then there are these little


6:48

harmonic uh


6:50

[Music]


6:52

thing uh that come in then there's this


6:56

uh mandolin stuff going on and so anyway


7:00

so in talking to Brad he said play the


7:01

little baritone thing cover some of the


7:03

mandolin stuff then uh play the the


7:06

licks with the steel guitar in the uh in


7:10

in the choruses so then I knew exactly


7:13

what to work on so then of course I just


7:15

showed you the baritone part I showed


7:16

you the little harmonic thing uh that


7:19

kind of goes in in the intro of the song


7:22

where you have the harmonic thing over


7:24

the G chord you have the harmonic thing


7:25

over


7:27

the over the D chord then you have the


7:29

this mandolin part that comes


7:31

in and mandolins tuned differently than


7:34

a guitar so youit tuned in fifths


7:37

instead of fourths so you end up with


7:39

Note Stacks that you wouldn't normally


7:41

play on the guitar necessarily again it


7:44

it sounds good but it's not you know


7:47

most of the time you don't think about


7:48

covering a a d chord doing something


7:51

like


7:53

this but yet that's that's kind of the


7:56

you know a very normal thing on the


7:57

mandolin then going to the A chord did


8:02

this and then going to the B minor let's


8:05

see


8:08

uh and then back down to the


8:12

G so you end up with some very different


8:16

kind of uh note Stacks but by playing


8:19

that it sounds like a mandolin so even


8:22

though you're not even though you're


8:23

playing a you know this uh Glazer Bender


8:27

thing uh yeah it sounds much more like a


8:31

mandolin when you play a mandolin is


8:34

part so then uh I guess the next thing


8:38

that comes along is you have this lick


8:40

that goes that goes from the verse into


8:43

the


8:44

chorus and and it's kind of like there's


8:46

this big kind of diamond and then the


8:48

guitar you know so I play this


8:51

look and then it goes you know straight


8:53

into the chorus and then it's me kind of


8:56

chunking some some chords


9:00

[Music]


9:19

and those lines that I were playing were


9:20

you know in in unison you know with this


9:23

with the steel guitar player with Randle


9:25

Curry uh then kind of the next kind of


9:27

interesting thing that comes along is is


9:29

there's a


9:30

[Music]


9:32

u there's a uh a lick on the uh on the


9:37

last chorus that uh again that the


9:40

fiddle of Steel and and and I all play


9:42

together it


9:49

say and that's you know of course you


9:52

know fun to play uh yeah so you know


9:56

figured out you know all those lines one


9:58

of the things I did was that was real


10:01

helpful was sometimes I'd play through


10:02

my amp with like a little Bluetooth


10:05

speaker and kind of play along with the


10:06

recording uh what was even better was uh


10:09

I have this mustang micro thing that uh


10:13

Fender was kind enough to give me a


10:14

couple years ago and it's such a great


10:17

learning tool because it's it's really


10:19

easy to use and it's small and so you


10:21

just plug your headphones in and you you


10:23

you know connect your phone via


10:25

Bluetooth and then you can just sit


10:27

there quietly you know learning the song


10:30

playing it over and over again because


10:32

my family was was kind of getting tired


10:33

of hearing uh you know Brad sing truck


10:36

still works over and over again while I


10:38

uh you know learned the different parts


10:40

and frankly I


10:43

uh I played it and played it and


10:46

practiced it until I didn't have to look


10:50

at the guitar neck at all and I would


10:52

just stare you know like at my


10:54

bookshelves and things like that as I I


10:56

was playing the song you know cuz I


10:57

needed to know it so well that I could


11:01

actually be uh interacting with the


11:04

other guys in the band or or looking out


11:06

at the audience and things like that and


11:09

uh you know cuz the last thing you'd


11:10

want to do when playing a TV show is


11:12

have to look at a chart yeah so I mean


11:16

that's that's really unprofessional so


11:19

when you're doing TV you've got to


11:20

memorize the song memorize your parts


11:23

and you've got to know them well enough


11:24

that you're not staring at the uh the


11:27

neck of the guitar the whole time


11:29

[Music]


11:30

so a little bit about you know the


11:32

experience of going and doing the show


11:33

so of course we flew from Nashville to


11:35

La the runner takes us to the uh CBS


11:39

Studios they in Los


11:41

Angeles and we uh you know were checked


11:44

in we're given these you know snazzy


11:48

laminates and then they have a Handler


11:50

with us I don't know what if you know


11:52

what a Handler is or not but it's kind


11:53

of like a Hall Monitor and so they take


11:56

you straight to your dressing room so of


11:58

course you know they took Brad and his


11:59

manager to a dressing room and then in


12:01

another part of the building they took


12:03

the band which of course I was part of


12:05

for that night and uh so they take us to


12:08

a dressing room and then the Handler


12:10

sits in a chair right next to the door


12:12

to the dressing room to basically keep


12:15

an eye on us and make sure we don't


12:16

wander around and if we want to leave it


12:19

all we have to tell him where we're


12:20

going and he's either going to take us


12:23

there or you know you have to be back in


12:24

a certain amount of time it was really


12:27

interesting you know because of course


12:29

the trying to keep uh you know a TV show


12:31

on schedule and here's where I need to


12:33

say this was pre-taped so the show was


12:36

not done live so you know if you saw it


12:39

you know it was it was on the other


12:41

night it was on Sunday night on


12:43

CBS um everything was pre-taped so


12:47

nothing was nothing was done live so but


12:50

yeah we're all you know they're trying


12:51

to keep everything on schedule because


12:53

they're having to film all these


12:54

different acts doing the songs and of


12:56

course they're also pre-taping so that


12:59

we can get a really good uh you know a


13:03

good version of the song down so


13:05

everyone you know can do the song two or


13:07

three times now of course you know you


13:09

start doing more than that then


13:10

everyone's going to get uh you know kind


13:12

of like hey you know you should have


13:14

your act together but uh anywh who back


13:17

to uh you know sitting there in the in


13:18

the dressing room and it's kind of the


13:20

thing of hurry up and wait and you're


13:22

just kind of waiting around and uh you


13:25

know I've changed clothes and uh so I


13:28

had on this you know black shirt and


13:31

some black jeans and black pants and and


13:33

part of that was because I was going to


13:34

have this guitar and I was like okay


13:36

I've got enough color going on that I


13:38

don't need to have uh something that


13:40

that clashes with it um so we're we're


13:44

waiting we're waiting and then all of a


13:46

sudden it's like okay they want you up


13:47

on the stage right now and you go out


13:50

there and you know you plug in and


13:55

immediately they're you know they're


13:56

wanting you know they're they're they're


13:58

kind of doing a line check uh and so you


14:01

know they're wanting you to play so they


14:03

make sure they have signal from you and


14:05

then they want you to play some more so


14:06

they can make sure they've got


14:07

everything dialed in you know tone wise


14:09

volume wise and such and then we start


14:12

going through the song and so we go


14:14

through the song you know kind of once


14:16

where Brad's backstage and kind of


14:18

fiddling around on the guitar and uh


14:21

he's listening to all of us and then uh


14:25

then we run through the song two or


14:27

three times with Brad up up front and of


14:29

course he also did the other uh the


14:32

other parts that you if you watched the


14:34

uh the show then of course you saw the


14:36

part where he talked about Charlie Pride


14:38

and uh and kind of intro the song that


14:40

was all kind of filmed all together and


14:44

yeah we did the song you know two or


14:45

three times they were happy and then it


14:47

was get the hell out of there I mean


14:49

they were you know they were uh pushing


14:51

us off the stage and so I you know grab


14:53

my guitar and uh I'll talk gear in a bit


14:57

in a minute but also you know


14:59

um I think I yeah no I couldn't grab my


15:02

pedal board so but the the Brad's uh


15:05

text you know they they grabbed my my


15:07

pedal board but uh anyway yeah they they


15:10

threw us off the stage you know we ran


15:12

to the dressing room I changed clothes


15:15

real quick because uh you know we were


15:17

having to go back to the airport and we


15:19

had to fly onto the next place we were


15:22

going and uh I barely had enough time to


15:24

change clothes and and they were you


15:27

know like they were running us out of


15:28

the uh the uh the dressing rooms too but


15:31

anyway we got out of there and uh I went


15:34

and uh got my pedal board from uh Brad's


15:38

you know


15:39

Tex and we took off and uh and that was


15:42

it it was you know it was one of those


15:44

things where it was like an afternoon


15:45

was probably 2 or three hours total you


15:48

know of of sitting around and then all


15:50

of a sudden hurry up and play and then


15:53

get out of here so but it was it was a


15:55

lot of fun so let's uh let's talk a


15:58

little bit about gear


16:01

so one of the things that Brad's people


16:03

contacted me his production manager


16:06

contacted me and said what kind of amp


16:08

do you want because of course the show's


16:09

going to be back lined except for Brad


16:11

Brad of course brought his own amps but


16:14

the rest of us you know had to be back


16:16

lined because they're they're having to


16:17

pay Freight and everything so you know


16:19

it's fine for us to use backline and


16:22

Brad have his you know Dr Z amps which


16:25

you know that's part of his deal and and


16:26

he's a uh you know he's a big Dr Z guy


16:30

and uh but uh for me I had to think


16:33

about what I was going to use and so


16:35

they said you know what do you want and


16:38

I thought about a deluxe Reverb but then


16:39

I thought well I'm aping you know I'm


16:42

copying you know Brad's Parts which were


16:46

all done with Dr Z's or maybe uh you


16:49

know he he could have used you know one


16:51

of a rocket or or uh you know all sorts


16:54

of different things so or an old ac30


16:57

and to me it sounded like voxy a you


17:00

know Dr Z stuff and I knew you know the


17:02

rental place wasn't going to have Dr Z


17:04

stuff so I just said an ac30 so they had


17:07

an ac30 for me it was one of the uh the


17:10

British made reissues like from the


17:12

early 2000s and it had green backs which


17:14

normally I don't love the green backs


17:16

but as soon as I plugged into it it


17:17

sounded really big and fat and nice and


17:20

so it was great um of course I had to


17:24

take this guitar you know this is the uh


17:28

you know laser uh Bender guitar that


17:31

like I said it was you know made from


17:34

parts that were up in the attic and I'm


17:36

going to do a whole episode about this


17:37

guitar so I'm not going to do a deep


17:39

dive on this at this point I will say


17:41

that the pickups are all Seymour Duncan


17:44

this is the 53 tapped set which you know


17:47

has like a a 6K output and it has a 9k


17:50

output and so I was using the 6K output


17:53

which is the switch in the up position


17:55

if I hit that down uh it's 9k and I


17:58

didn't need that thick of a sound this


18:01

has the of course it has a Glazer you


18:03

know bender on it it has uh the Glazer


18:06

wiring thing so I've got the push the uh


18:10

yeah the push pull that uh makes it


18:12

where you can have the outside two


18:14

pickups uh this is a blend control which


18:17

I can blend in the uh the middle Strat


18:20

and I did blend in a little bit just to


18:22

kind of soften things cuz this doesn't


18:24

have a tone control anymore of course uh


18:27

normal volume control five-way switch


18:29

which does kind of like what you would


18:31

think except of course when you pull


18:33

that you get the outside


18:35

ones uh yeah and uh yeah then just uh


18:41

yeah had a lot of fun this is a great


18:43

sounding and fun guitar and uh yeah then


18:48

uh pedal board wise I used my standard


18:50

pedal board that I use you know when


18:52

doing this show or doing live stuff and


18:55

uh I'll show a picture of that and uh B


18:58

basically what I used on it was I used


19:01

the line six Echo Park for a longer


19:03

delay time and I used the uh the boss


19:06

dm3 uh set to a slapback so I used both


19:09

of them and I used the sawdust which is


19:12

like a mosor type Distortion just to


19:14

give me a little bit of grit you cuz I


19:16

didn't want to be too clean uh cuz you


19:19

know Brad stuff is Gainer than than what


19:22

I do and I wasn't going to try to rely


19:25

completely on the Vox itself you know


19:27

cuz it this doesn't have master volume


19:29

on it so I wanted to try to get a little


19:31

bit of a dirty sound without uh having


19:33

to crank the amp up a lot especially for


19:35

television and then I had the Mirage


19:37

compressor on and that was uh that was


19:39

all I used and of course you know the uh


19:41

my pedal board has a true tone CS6 power


19:44

supply and thanks to Bob at true tone


19:48

and uh yeah and that was that was kind


19:49

of the rig and I had a Dunlop volume


19:52

pedal that uh you know my my that board


19:55

has an insert on it it has a breakout


19:57

box that exact tone made so that um so


20:00

that I can go U so I can put the the


20:03

volume pedal so I can insert it after


20:05

the gain pedals but before the delay


20:08

pedals also of course that big board has


20:11

a uh um it has the UA uh you Deluxe


20:15

Reverb you know the dream 65 pedal on


20:18

there and it has a canvas di on there


20:21

and I wasn't using either one of those


20:23

for the show that's just my backup


20:25

that's in case my amp blows up so if


20:27

something happened with the AC 30 uh I


20:29

guess we could have pulled another amp


20:31

up or we could have uh just gone direct


20:33

but uh yeah so that was the gear uh I


20:36

did use heavier


20:38

strings uh I I normally use the 9 and2


20:42

uh Dario nyxl's but I I put tins on uh


20:47

because I wasn't really needing to do


20:49

any uh you know I didn't need to really


20:51

solo and then there was this baritone


20:54

part at the beginning and I wanted to


20:55

make sure that when I played


21:01

you know it was as boingy as you know


21:04

possible and so yeah having a a 46


21:07

versus a 44 when you're turning this


21:09

down to D it helped out a little bit and


21:11

again that's something you can


21:13

specifically do when you're going to uh


21:16

do a show like that and you know exactly


21:18

what you're needed to do but yeah so I


21:21

had this this guitar my pedal board and


21:23

the the rental ac30 and uh yeah it was


21:27

just a ton of fun uh yeah it was an


21:30

honor to get to play on on another award


21:33

show to get to play with Brad it's fun


21:35

to do a a song uh truck still works


21:38

which hearkens back to a song that uh


21:41

Brad recorded when I was working with


21:43

him mud on the tires it's kind of like a


21:45

sequel to the song and it uh it has


21:48

little fun elements and you ought to


21:50

check out the song truck still works


21:52

because it's uh it's got these little


21:54

elements you know there's a few guitar


21:56

licks here and there that are you know


21:58

lifted from uh you know mud on the tires


22:01

but again it's just kind of a a nod and


22:03

a wink and such to to that song and uh


22:07

yeah it was just a lot of fun and it was


22:08

a lot of fun to play play with my


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friends and you know all those guys in


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Brad's band I've known for 20 plus years


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and they're great guys and they're


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they're you know super pro and it was


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just a lot of fun all right guys well I


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hope you've enjoyed today's episode and


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yes there will be a deep dive on this


22:26

Glazer Bender guitar where I talk about


22:29

the the whole story of how this came


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together soon all right guys see you


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next time bye-bye

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