Luke McQueary - Don Kelley’s Last Hero - Ask Zac 145

today we are going to take a field
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trip down to the true tone lounge and we're going to speak with Luke McQueary one of the finest young guitarists in
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Nashville I hope you enjoyed this special collaboration with truetone
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foreign
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street called Broadway where you will see hundreds of bands playing most
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nights of the week most of the clubs have multiple stages on multiple floors but there's one band that stands Above
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the Rest and it came out of kind of the ashes of the Don Kelly Band it's Kelly's Heroes and so today we have Luke
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McQueary who spent time both playing with Don and then is also in the the
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current band that you know also includes Joe Fick and uh
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and the drummer that we can't remember his name Billy van Fleet Billy van Fleet
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and they both with their musicality and also
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just with their level of Engagement and entertainment they flat out destroy
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crowds yeah yeah and it's really a must-see if you come
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to Nashville you have to go see Kelly's Heroes they play you know Wednesday
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through Saturday night you know from 6 30 to 10 30 and and they just kill it
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and so after the interview that we did with Don it just felt like a very natural follow-up to uh to sit down with
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Luke so Luke thank you for uh for coming down to the lounge well thanks for having me Zach oh well let's uh let's
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let's start from the beginning so how did you end up uh you know starting to learn how to play the guitar I know your dad's musical yeah my dad so I I started
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at 11 but it started like it started with my grandpa and my great grandpa I
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never met my great grandpa but he was like a I've always heard he was like a great fiddle player like Bluegrass
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fiddle player yeah and he him and my pal Paul started playing together my pal
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Paul they always say uh I guess he got a guitar they picked it up at a yard sale and
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they always joke and say that he was playing it by the time he got back home you know playing a tune you know anyway
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he got something something strummed out there but just like a really genius guy you know he was like he could build a
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house he could build a gun he could build a guitar just like a wow just to see you know for that area just like a
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genius guy you know to be able to learn all that stuff and he uh he started going across the creek and playing with
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my Papaw Mason my great grandpa and he met my mama got married had three kids I had my dad
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who's a guitar player and my Uncle Brian he's a great drummer and my Aunt Jen
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and uh I think my dad started when he was like 14. and he played uh
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I guess he just learned from my Papaw you know but he always talks about like opening up the album covers I guess I
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like cassettes you know and he would like read the names you know and for the most part it was like Brent Mason you
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know always it was like Brent for a lot of that stuff so he was he grew up being like a big fan of Brent Mason
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I want to say he uh he went on the road he played with my pal paw around home
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for like you know until he was I want to say like 25 or something and then he decided to
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take it a little more serious and ended up going out on the road but Jared Neiman for five years so he done that
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for for five years I went from like five to ten he was out on the road you know and
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I I was just growing up you know and then he quit and started going to church
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and came home and and when I was 11 I think you know they
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were like raised me like super strict so I didn't like I wasn't spending the night at people's houses or nothing I
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was going with them so after he came home I think he quit for like I want to say like one to two years he quit
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playing guitar and then my papa talked to me into like playing the circuit around there again you know so every weekend I was loading
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up going too if I wasn't staying with my memo I would be right there with them you know okay so so what would you be
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doing were you just were you just helping them out uh you know carrying stuff or you're hanging out just hanging
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with my mom for the most part you know we would just sit there and and chat it up you know and uh I remember
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they would like all you know nobody over nobody under 60 was was in there you
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know it was all old people always you know but they love to hear my dad play Orange Blossom Special and Ghost Riders
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like they would request that all the time and I remember like you know even then I
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remember like seeing him play that and I would just get cold chills you know and and like you know getting teary
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eyed and just you know not even knowing why but there was just something so magical about it at the time you know
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seeing and uh I remember like probably like a few months into him playing at home like
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that I was sitting back in the recliner and he was over there he got like a little blackface Princeton and he was
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testing it out and he was playing something there and I was like I was just Keen back there I was like I kind of learn I kind of like
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to learn how to play that Ghost Riders in the Sky and he's like well come here and I'll show it to you so that was how
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it started man I just started started doing that I was going through like middle school and
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me and my cousin he plays too we wanted to be like WWE wrestlers you know and we
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just don't have to build for that so it was like it was like one of those times he had kind of left me you know with
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like all I I wanted to wrestle but you know I didn't have nobody to do it with so it was like what am I going to do now
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you know so I ended up picking up guitar just kind of out of that reason you know and
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just started plunking around on it there for you know a few months or
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so because you didn't have the body you know the the robust yeah right build is
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probably required to be a a wrestler you uh yeah did you ever build did you have
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like a a a wrestling mat or anything like that or did you all get serious
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about it at all or was it just kind of something that you wanted to do it was just you know we we wrestled every day
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and watched it and we had the video games you know we had like we had a PlayStation 2 and had like
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Smackdown versus Raw all that stuff you know man we played that we wrestle every day
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but you know as soon as he hit like Middle School it was like that ain't cool no more yeah and I was like you
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know I'm like 11 years old I'm like well why not you know why can't we just be wrestling you know but he was he had
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already picked up guitar and he was into that so I was like it just kind of made sense everybody around me was doing it you know so I was
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like yeah I guess this is what this is what I'll go for and this is what everyone everyone the girls do yeah
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so you start you start getting you know more serious about playing and uh you know of course you've got your your dad
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that you're that you're hearing probably around the house you're going to his gigs who are some of the people that you're listening to that are that are
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really you know inspiring you yeah so when he got he got me
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as soon as I started like probably two months in I remember his first thing was
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like we need to take you to see the Don Kelly Band and at the time it was like I mean it couldn't have been
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it was no time and at that time you could still get in at like until 10 o'clock it was it was under 21 so you
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could get in there until 10 but we didn't know that so he took a trip and then he came back and I remember he was like okay they said you know you can go
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in and then we'll go so yeah it was just like a I want to say like a month later he took me down and I
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seen JD and Don and Joe and Artie and I was like man when I seen JD just you
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know he was like just towered up there you know and he's like shaking around and he's seeing the crowd go wild and it
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was just like man like it was just mind blows the same thing you know and I was immediately I
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was like that's what I want to do you know I was like that's it you know because coming from like a poem you know
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it was just it was like I said it was all kind of old people but still I had that chill but you know when you see it
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like that in like a rambunctious place like that it was like holy cow this is so cool you know because they're they're
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putting so you know of course Don and JD and you know the whole band puts so much energy into the
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performance because it's not just a performance they're also they're entertainers you know because they understand that it's not just about
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their you know staying and you know playing some blazing licks he's also gotta engage with people yeah and you
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know JD's like you know throwing his guitar behind his head or just like shaking his head and Joe's over there standing on the base and I just remember
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just getting like cold chills just like this is just crazy man this these guys
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and then there's Don you know just pumping them you know and you're like it's just gonna keep getting bigger and
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bigger you know because he's gonna make it you know and it was it was so cool so yeah I watched him and and we went to a
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guitar show around that time and my dad had got like a Stevie Ray live at live
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at montro and like the two concerts you know the one where he like the first one where they like booed him and then the
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next one and it was like man I wore that thing out too and he had
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he had ordered a uh it was like a he got it on eBay it was
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like a CD of Danny Gatton like a DVD if Danny Gatton and like all of his
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little like TV spots that he had had throughout the years you know so for the
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most part I had that and then I had Dwight Yoakam and Austin City Limits so
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I had Pete Anderson so for the most part it was like Stevie Ray JD Pete Anderson
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and Danny Gatton you know and I just I wore those guys out forever
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and then man it was probably like three or four
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probably three or four months after you know because I went home and like JD was like you know he's like 26 or 27 so in
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my head I'm like 11 years old I'm like this is going to be a long time yeah it's a long time coming and she my mom
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had she had the phone and she was like you got to see this kid that Don's got playing with him he's only 17 his name's
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Daniel and it was like on YouTube That Guy Stewie had posted posted those clips
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to Daniel and I I remember like right then being like oh wow so this isn't like this isn't too
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far out of reach you know like right this is possible it is possible you know and I ain't got to be almost a 30 year
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old man to be able to do it you know but at the time it was like that was the inspiration I needed you know was to see
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somebody you know just blazing it 17 years old it was like holy cow man where is this guy getting these guys you know
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it was interesting to uh I learned that uh Daniel had been uh he had actually
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gotten coached by Johnny Hyland yes and so I found that that he had he had learned a lot of the uh the Don Kelly
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set and everything from from from Johnny taking lessons from him yeah right man
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and I had like my dad had already had that CD and as soon as I came home
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uh that Johnny was all over that you know and I remember like one of the first things I learned was like the you
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win again solo you know it was like that was the easiest thing to learn you know where you like tuned teamed the string
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down then lined it back up and I just my dad had one of those big Microsoft computers with two speakers
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you know so I would just keep that CD in there and I was just wearing it like every night I don't know how I didn't
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kill him because I mean I was blasting it in the bedroom you know in like a little thousand square foot house but
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they never said a word but I was like I was over there just blasting that thing and playing along with it whatever I
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could get you know and a lot it was a lot of it was Johnny at the time you know I think it was like
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a mix of I had the Johnny and then there was one with JD and I I just like went back and forth
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with those and yeah I just listened to that thing all the time I want to say well I was like
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till I was like 16 I don't think I listened to anything but like Don Kelly
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and Stevie Ray Vaughan like and Danny got and that was it you know that was just all I listened to it was all I had
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interest in I didn't I was raised up on like Merle Haggard and George Jones but it didn't sound like Don played it you
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know right it just didn't it didn't have the power and when you're a kid like that you're just wanting that energy you know that's all
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you want you know I'm glad that you're you're you're showing how much you know
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sometimes this gets a bad rap but how much Obsession that you had over that because that's that's how you get good
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at anything oh yeah is is you just have to be obsessed with something and you have to be like I'm listening to this
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day in and day out I'm practicing all the time yeah right you know and like I said I wasn't
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I just wasn't allowed to go like go out and like I didn't go to football games or nothing
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like I remember in third grade my dad I like I was like I walked in and I had already quit soccer once and I walked in
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I was like I want to learn I want to play basketball and he was like no you don't it was simple as that he's like no you
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don't you don't want to play basketball and I was like well okay you know I guess so then you know I just ended up
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picking up guitar but yeah I was obsessed with it you know and I'm still obsessed with it to this day
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you know still I I crawl on YouTube and like when I was
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when I was 13 too like that was when the iPhone came out you know so immediately
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you had like YouTube so I would be on my mom's phone like watching these and I remember when YouTube came on the TV and
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I was like okay this is dangerous now this is dangerous like this is all you know I'd
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Rush In from school and click YouTube Don Kelly van and that was it you know that was I stayed on that stuff forever
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and there came a point when my dad like you know when I first started I was just like learning like wanted Dead or Alive
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or like Ghost Riders like just little riffs I didn't learn chords for for months and then
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there came a point when I started learning chords you know I want to play love songs and all that goofy stuff you
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know and then there came a point when my dad was like you know I can't just teach you everything like
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you're gonna have to learn it yourself and and lucky for me like he already had all that figured out you know he had the
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amazing slow Downer so he was like you know you take this stuff and you slow it down you slow it down to like 35 or like
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40 45 of the speed pick it out note for note
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learn it note for note all the way through and like you know don't miss any notes learn how like they're sliding or
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like pulling on pulling off and and then just slowly work it up like 10 of the time you know so I would work it
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up like I would get it all learned play it through you know get play it to where I had it at like 50 and then slowly I
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would just keep stacking until I could get it you know I'd do 60 and 65 70s 80 you know and usually I could get it to
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like I could get it to like 80. or 85 and then I had to sleep on it like
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I just had to and I could wake up the next morning and within like five takes or something I could have it you know
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I'd have it at like a hundred maybe once you know and then I'd be like that had me hooked enough that I'm like okay I'm
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just gonna sit here and do it until I till I can do it perfectly you know there's there's studies that that say
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that one of the best things you can do is practice before you go to bed yeah it says that that when you wake up
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in the morning it's like your mind kind of stays on it and then in the morning you'll just like what you said there's
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like this this aspect of I've actually kind of practiced in my head some because I did it right before I went to
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sleep and in the morning you're able to kind of take from there and actually have progressed some yeah right you know
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and me and my dad were just talking about this the other day but it's like if you if you're sitting down you know
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like the other night I sat down and I was like I had played for like two hours I just like I just started using
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the metronome on my big speakers so I'm like that metronome man it like it keeps you locked in because as soon as you're
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done you know playing your team and for me right now I'm like trying to sing better you know so I'm like as soon as
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it's done like that metronome's still going so you're like okay let's just go again you know it's not like okay well
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I've done it you know and then you walk away but anyway we were talking about that it's like every time you sit down it's like
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it's almost like digging for gold you know you may get like a grain of salt or you may get like and then out of nowhere
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you may dig and you may get like some kind of big piece of information you didn't even expect you know and it's
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like but you have to just keep doing it you know if you're if you keep doing it you know it's like you'll get it but you
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you know sometimes you might sit down and and not get nothing you know you have to be obsessed with it and you have to
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continue to do it and you have to keep you know building that hand strength and
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and there's so much about there's so much that's physical and mental about
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about playing music yeah very well and that is the biggest thing about like playing live you know when I started
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playing with Don it was like you know after you play so much like there's some times that you you feel
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like you can like you can just walk in and not have to play guitar and and it'll just happen sometimes because
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you've been playing out live right constantly you know so you're always like right now it's like I always have
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like 16 hours invested regardless you know if I don't even touch it at home like I've got to go do it you know and
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then there will be times like you get like that and then you go and like it blows
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you back down and you're like what was I thinking you know and you're like right back in the bedroom again like okay I
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gotta I gotta sit here for like hours so let's talk about what were some
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really important keys to you learning to play guitar at the at the high level at
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which you do so you know was there just um you know kind of basically
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transcribing these solos where you're slowing them down was there was there that was there elements of like learning
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how chords and scales work together what were some kind of aha moments you know as you were learning to play the guitar
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yeah so when I first started it was like slowing it down and I learned like Solo's note for note you know
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and I would learn like leaks and stuff and then there came a point when it was
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like I was just playing leaks you know and and I couldn't it was like it just
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felt like everything was leaks and I wasn't focusing on like Melody and chords and like I knew all my chords but
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I didn't understand the relevance and like substitutions and stuff you know like putting in like a
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five minor over a one you know or like seeing how a two can work over a four
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things like that you know those things got opened up and like when I done that
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it made a lot of things easier you know but one of the biggest things was like
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vibrato too you know it was like that was one thing that Don was always like he harped on was like you don't want
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that he would always say like you don't want that Billy Goat vibrato he's like you know you know you don't want to be
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doing this he's like you know you take your time and I remember he would always like he would do it and he'd be like right there that's all you need
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he wants that slow smooth he's not about like you know he's not
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about a bunch of notes It's All About Soul to him you know he his thing would be like
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and anything he said it was like you knew it
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you knew it before he said it you just needed somebody to say it you know what I'm saying like sometimes you just need
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somebody to say hey that right there that's not you know what you did and he
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would say something like you know you just you go you go all the way up the neck and you bend the note hold that
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note Bend three or four and then go right back down again you know and it would be something as simple as that but
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sometimes you just have to hear somebody say that you know and it's like it just clicks you know we haven't we haven't
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talked about how you got in the Don Kelly band but let's while we're here talk about some of the important lessons
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that you've learned from dawn the important advice that Don you know as as kind of a a coach and a mentor to you
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you know what are some of the things that he you know talked about playing uh
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entertaining people tone you know just you know lay it on us yeah man
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everything for the most part like I mean everything he's you know for me I was like as soon as I got that gig I was
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like you know the proof's in the pudding with him it's like it's already there like
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everybody's came and and everybody's learned from him people don't realize that you know it's like 90s country
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music wouldn't have sounded the way it did if it wasn't for Don Kelly's mouth you know if he wasn't talking and saying
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hey you got to get a Telecaster it wouldn't have happened you know yeah so I'm thinking in my head I'm like and
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even my dad you know we were like you know anything that he says you just listen I don't care if you think it's
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wrong if you think he ain't right if he's being mean about it you just listen whatever he's saying so
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as soon as I went in there I was like I remember being so nervous because you know he's such a creature I have and I
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would be like the first night I subbed I was like I was scared about what Outlet to plug in
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I was like I'm like I don't want him to chew me out for me like plugging in the wrong alley you know because I just knew
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he's like a creature a habit you know it's like he knows what he's wanting he knows what he wants you to do so I remember being like Don where you want
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me to plug my amp in it you know just not even like the tiniest little things I remember telling him immediately I was
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like you know you just tell me anything you know anything you think that'll help me yeah you tell me you know and he
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he kept on me about like tone you know he would he would keep on me about he told me like about the Vintage
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30 speaker he was like you know JD he's one of those like you ought he's like maybe you should try one of those
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vintage 30s you know and and I went through some deluxes he always wanted to looks like he didn't
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want anything bigger than that and Roberts was just it's just too much for that little room you know so
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and he didn't like a lot of pedals you know he he had already seen it done with no pedals and he knew that you didn't
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have to have a lot of pedals anyway you know so he'd call them gadgets he'd be like anytime if if my if my if I hit my
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pedal and it was too loud it'd be like immediately be like turn your Gadget down he's gonna be like okay so
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he always had a way of like really letting that be like that ain't nothing you know like it's all in you it's all
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in what you're doing and what you're doing you know he was it was all about just like trying to
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pull a reaction out of people you know and not not necessarily what you can do but just
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like keeping your feel his biggest thing was I don't know nothing but I got feel
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you know I anybody can have feel if you know you've got to practice that and it's
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like it's in like little things you know like vibrato and just the tiniest things you don't think
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of you know how how hard you're hitting your right hand that's the thing that like anytime I'm struggling I usually like
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call my dad you know and he's like he's like I remember for a long time he was like
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watch your right hand like just think about your right hand don't even think about your left hand just think about that right hand a lot you know and just
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see how that helps and for a lot of times that would like that would make things just go so smooth man you know so
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would that have to do with lightening up on your right hand lining up or going hard you know either way just like
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having personality on it you know having having different textures and stuff you
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know because you don't you want to have a little bit of everything I feel like in an age you know
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but yeah Don would it was it was always just like little things you know and
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a funny one I remember I was I was playing and he was I was playing and I looked over and I
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think there was like a there was a picture on the wall that I was reading you know and you'd never see it coming but this
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happened at least like five times I turned around
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what are you doing I got done he's like you keep me in your line of sight at all times you don't
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ever be staring over it though it'll never happen again what what was a
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uh or a kind of a tough piece piece of advice that that he gave you one one that maybe maybe even like hurt your
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feelings some or something like that sometimes you'd be you know for me you
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know it would be like the hardest thing was always like volume because it was like sometimes I couldn't
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even hear myself but that but I was too loud you know and I didn't realize like I'm just a kid you know but he knows it
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like he's standing right there in the middle and he knows yeah you know and he's been working there for 25 years so
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if he says you're too loud then you're just too loud yeah you're not gonna argue with him you know but
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there's one there was like one time you know that he got on me pretty harsh about that I remember like going in the
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alley and being like I was like I was bawling I was like because he you know I don't know where he'd be like he'd be
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like I remember one night it was like I never changed it man he always told me he was like on ghost riders he was like
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I want you to stay the same volume and then Ghost Riders crank it yeah you know well it just happened to be like a dead
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night in there you know and as soon as it was over I could see the
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rage because I was too loud and I was but I didn't change nothing you know I had my
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habit I was like well as long as I do the same thing yeah and I would Crank That Deluxe to 10 at that time you know
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and he never said a word for heck of gear or two you know it was fine and then out of nowhere it was like what
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number was that amp on yeah you know and I'm like I'm sitting here I'm like dreading telling him you know and he's
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like he's like I was like Don it's on the same number it's always on you know I was really trying to like steer it away and he's like what number was that
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angle and I was like 10. you know and he's never again he said and he just
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turned around and that was and that was it he didn't talk to me for the rest of the night you know and I was like
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that was your lesson yeah and I was like shaking at the time you know I was like oh man I went I remember I was I called
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my dad I was like oh man he's jumped all over me you know that was probably the hardest one you know he was never
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that's the only time that he was ever like super aggressive with me and it was and it was needed you know and and the
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next day it was like it never happened you know it's just that's just what a boss does you know that's how you got to do it if you want
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if you want an outcome I guess you know okay so let's let's back up and let's
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let's get the the you know let's get how you got you know got to start playing with Don so you're you're going to see
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Don you get inspired by JD and then you get even you get also get inspiration by
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seeing Daniel Donato play because he's he's younger you feel like it's a possibility so what what happens next
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yeah so I've seen I've seen JD and then I seen Daniel a couple times like until
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I was 15 or 16 I still lived in Liberty I lived in Liberty Kentucky born and
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raised there and uh so I think I came
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I came one time and seen Brent with the players and that was like an amazing thing too that was
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that was just as big because it was like I remember in like third it was like Michael Rhodes's base was just like I
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mean it was just like in your chest you could just feel it from head to toe you know it was like holy cow so I've seen
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those guys and I just when I moved Porter was playing so I I
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moved here when I was 15 so it was like the like the middle of my sophomore year
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and I was like I wasn't happy about it like I wanted to move at 18 but
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I was in tears when it happened you know at the time I had I just got a friend like I had a friend that was staying
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over every night and it was like I just got like got a pool table it was
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all that stuff you know so when I moved I didn't want to but like
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the first day man it we hadn't been here it was like January January 3rd or something of like 2016.
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so it was freezing and the first thing I just want to go see Don you know like
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and Porter was playing and I wanted to go see Don so my mom and
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dad went in and it was 21 they had changed it to like right six o'clock 21 and up so I couldn't get in so I I
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bundled up in like three layers of clothes and I was like I told Mom and Dad I'm like I'll be fine like he's
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bound to see me if I stand here like he's about to let me in like they're not gonna let a 15 year old kid stand out
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here and freeze you know just to watch music so I remember Mom and Dad walked in they were like
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well if you need anything just call us you know like if you need anything just call we're going to be right in here get
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your shot of whiskey yeah they looked on in so I was sitting out there and I probably stood out there like an hour
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and then the drummer I seen him see me and he like waved at me and then I seen him start talking to
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Don and I was I knew in my head then I was like hmm like something's gonna happen I
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don't know what it's going to be you know so after like five minutes there he done
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like motioned me in you know so I walked in like door guy let me and
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he's like you a guitar player or something and I was like yeah I'm Scott mcquerry's kid and he's like oh really
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he's like well you can stand over there at the door but don't go past the ATM you know yeah just but you can stand there that way you're not freezing to
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death yeah and after that I just went every day like because I only live like
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three miles you know so I'd have my my mom a bless her heart she even drop me
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off every day her dad David dropped me off like
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man there was times that I went like Wednesday through Saturday for a little while you know I would go every day and I
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and when I came you know before I'd like moved here I didn't realize
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how much of it was a dawn you know like till I was sitting there and like watching him Coach it
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you know I was so into like the guitar and like the entertainment of it I didn't realize that man it's all coming
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from this guy like like everything that's that's being done is because he's like
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hey you need to do this you know or you need to do that and watching him and like watching his
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rhythm like you you seriously realize like he's leading this thing like it's his acoustic guitar you know and that's
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a crazy thing is to see someone like playing the back beat and they're leading everything you know it's like without him it was like
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it just wasn't the same you know but so yeah
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I came and I just watched them you know for a year I think
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then my dad happened to run into Dawn at the Guitar Center or something you know and just he had always told him you know
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if you ever need a sub or not you know never trying to like take anybody's gig or nothing like that just if you got the
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chance to play with Don Kelly it was like that was just a dream you know so
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yeah he ran into him and he was like you know it just that just you know my kid would just love you know that's just a
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dream so he said well you know if it means that much to that boy then you tell him to come down Sunday night at 1
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30 in the morning and we'll we'll get him up to play a couple Tunes so that was like that was probably like actually
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like five or six months into living there you know so as soon as that as soon as that happened I was like Head
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Over Heels you know so that was the first time I sat in with him and
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yeah so I sit in and it and he ended up getting my dad up too he ended up
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getting it was me and my dad that night and Porter was gracious enough to just let us see that you know and sit in on
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his rig I love poured it to death you know but he uh he let us set in and man
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that was for me that was a dream like I never ever thought I'd get to play with those guys because that was it was like
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and I remember him yeah it was my dream you know and I remember as soon as that happened and as soon as
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they kicked off I just remember thinking I've never heard anything that's powerful in all my life and it
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immediately leaves you like what do I do like where's my place up here like because I mean it was so full with the
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without the guitar it was like with Don and Joe and and I think it was
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I think it was Matt Boley at the time but with those guys it was like and he was he was sub and he was a sub
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drummer but Don's Rhythm it could just feel anything you know it was just crazy
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how much you could feel
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foreign so you got to sit in with him and so how
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did things progress from there how did the experience go of sitting in with him oh man it was like
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breath you know you know I was like you know you you just can't you can't crawl
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up with a band like that and just like nail anything it's just not possible you know especially being 15 years old you
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know so it was you know there's parts of it that was rough but there was good parts out of it you know and I I edited out a
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video like solos you know of the good ones you know there was plenty of bad that night too you know but
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I didn't play with him after that for for months so I didn't I
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just went back and kept watching you know and that and that was it you know I was happy with that that was all I ever wanted was just just to get to play 30
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minutes you know so you know I went back and watched him and then that was in like May of that year I
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think and then later on around the winter time I was sitting down there one night and he he
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just happened don't know what came over him or what it was but he came down he's like hey you
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know Any Sunday night that last set at 1 30 Any Sunday night you want to you just
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come down and sit in with us and you can bring your guitar you can play mine you can play through my amp you know
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whatever but just if you want to you know go for it and I remember being like
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you mean next Sunday or and he's like any Sunday and I remember thinking wow
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okay this is it you know like okay I'll be here every Sunday you know you just got your foot in the door yeah I just
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got my foot in the door so my mama would wake up she she got up at four in the morning for work but she
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would get up at 12 30. and at midnight you know get ready drive me down there
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drop me off at 1 15. drive around the block for an hour and pretty much an
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hour you know take me back home go to bed and get up at 4 30 and go to work what's your what
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does your mom do just eat anything you know at the time I think she was working at Vanderbilt like checking people in
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you know but I just got the best parents in the world yeah that's golden such a huge investment on your parents part
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into into your your career yeah you know and that they were just you know just
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the best of like I just can't brag enough about my mom and dad they're just the best you know so
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but anyway so yeah then I went and said in with him and probably like
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five or six times after sitting in on Sundays I remember dying like he got off stage and my dad took me one night so
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he walked over there and I see him talking to my dad and I know where he comes back and he's like I told your dad
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there's going to be a Sunday or two coming up that Porter can't make it you know if you want to if he'll bring you
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down here and if he'll let you you know you can come and sub one night so was like yeah you know that was like
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okay that now this is like the total dream like you're the man yeah now if I
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just saw one night like I'm happy you know I'll be fine so I mean I was like on cloud nine you know so
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I said I done that I subbed it with him and then he never called me back for
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I want to say like eight months or something like he never called me back he even got another guy on Sunday
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because Porter didn't want to do poor didn't want to do it so he got David Graham on Sundays
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and I remember at the time that just broke my heart you know I was like I was in tears because I was like I thought
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you know that I was going to be the next in line but and he was using another guy to sub you know so even when those guys
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couldn't make it I was like nowhere in the picture you know so I was like and then you hear like all these old
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guys talking like Don's gonna retire you know he's not gonna be here much longer you know there's like all kinds of negativity was just going on and then
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out of nowhere man I just got a phone call and it was it was like mid-summer
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and it was like hey can you can you Jeep as Joe and he was like hey can you come fill in a
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couple Fridays and Saturdays for us I was like yeah for sure you know so immediately I I went and done that and
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just like after that it wasn't clear of what was going on you
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know but I guess Porter had already like seen his way out and and it was like me and David Graham like David Graham was
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doing some nights like Wednesdays and Thursdays and I would do Fridays and Saturdays
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and Don just like he slowly gave me the gig throughout that time I got in a
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little trouble and I was working like I was a grunt man with my dad at construction so like right at the time I
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was like a month into this like like lifting you know these big pieces of plywood they're like bigger than me you
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know I'm lifting them up and right at that time was the same time Don called like it couldn't have worked out better
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in my favor at the time you know because I was like I did not want that job you know but so is he he slowly gave me that
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and yeah that's that's kind of how it went man I just started started those Fridays and Saturdays and
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he would let me know he's like you know here before too long I'll give you Thursdays and then
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a couple like a month robodies like I'll give you Wednesdays you know and he slowly just gave it to me and then he
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ended up giving me Sundays before he quit those for a while and David Graham was always out on the
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road like he's got his own Trio so he just you know he was already doing something else so yeah it wasn't nothing
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against him it was just like I was there and ready to go you know yeah so so then
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you know then you're there you're you're the you're the guitar player in the Don Kelly Band
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yeah and how did you did you were you able to to kind of
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separate yourself from yourself and and look and look at the situation could you see how much you were progressing as a
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guitar player playing that much every night could you see how were you able to say it's get it's getting easier or any
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anything of that sort for a long time it just felt like I was drowning you know for for probably you know at least a
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year oh probably a little over a year it just felt like every night I was just getting my butt
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kicked you know it was just like constant just because you know you just don't
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you you know you just gotta have experience you know and it just takes so many times of doing it and somebody and
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having somebody there like that you know that's just golden to have somebody like
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Don you know just telling you this is what you do you know and I would
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it immediately made me like I was playing guitar more at home you know because it immediately made me like wow
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you know you this ain't no good you know and every night it was like kicking my butt so every night I was going home
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playing and waking up and playing and just constantly playing you know and then
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after you know Don's biggest thing too was like get you
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get you what you want to do and stick to it you know and that's a hard thing to
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do at like 16 because you're just learning everybody else's stuff you know you've got to learn everybody else's
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stuff so you know at the time I was just with Dawn for the most part of that I was just playing like
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a lot of you know stuff I had learned and just trying to trying to like manipulate around it and learn at the
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time you know but for the most part it was like I just don't want to make a mistake you know you know like I Don't
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Want to Miss a note if I can throughout the night you know because for a long time I was just struggling so it sounds
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like that you know especially during that first year you know you said you were getting kind of getting your butt whooped and such that you were just all
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those spots where you were were struggling that you were really working on those things at home and then you
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know partially so you didn't embarrass yourself or get into trouble yeah yeah right yeah and you know
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like Dawn that was just you know he he always would tell you you know what to do and his biggest thing was like learn
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something every day like that was something that red said was I learned something every day you know no matter
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what it is I don't care if it's one thing like learn something you know that way you're exercising it so
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I just kept trying to learn and I I really got into like Jack Pearson you know I really
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I love him like he's one of the favorites but I got into those guys and just started listening to that and just
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trying to trying to get to where I could just keep up with those guys you know because at
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that time like playing fast like it'll get there if you keep doing it like it's gonna get there
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you know if you're slowing it down and then you go on and exercising it out you're going to get to where you can
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play fast but then there's going to be a point when it's like okay well I got that like I just want to play with some
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soul you know like I really want to be Soulful and like I want to be able to like pick my notes and like know what
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I'm about to do and why I'm doing it you know not just like playing a lick or something
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so that was the biggest thing you know but with when I was playing with Don it was like hammering down and like just
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just keeping a tight script you know because he didn't change nothing right
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down to the looks he gives you on stage you know and if you didn't he might you know it might be at the end of the song
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and he looks over and he's like and if you wasn't looking he'll never say a word but you'll feel
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it like you'll just know that you didn't do your normal habit there you know like you didn't you didn't obey the normal
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habit and it might just be like he might just turn his back for 30 seconds you know and you're like in
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the back of your mind you know huh I didn't look at him like I usually do you know or just little things like that
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that he had it so so scripted and so perfect of like
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exactly what he wanted for a show that it was it had to run you know it just had to run right because
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and that was the hardest thing was just figuring out like what do I want to do you know and being a guitar player you're like you always want to improvise
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like you always want to know you can just crawl up and like and just blissed or something and it just happened you
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know but it just don't work that way sometimes you know some nights it's there and some nights it's not and you got to have that script ready for when
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it's not there so were there times where you were you kind of had solos worked out ahead of
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time and sometimes where you would kind of just straight improvise or how did how did that work yeah yeah I had there
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was like some songs that I you know I had worked up and and I had my solos worked up you know and then yeah there
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was some stuff that I'd that I would just always be like okay I'm just gonna like the blues song you
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know we'd do like one blue song A night and it would always or maybe two or three and that was always for me it was
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like okay like here I'm just gonna I'm just gonna play you know because it's all about feel anyway you know so
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I would try not to just like rehearse a solo for that you know but there's some stuff you know like
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truck driving man and things like that there's just some nights man you're not
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gonna be able to crawl up and do that you know you you might not even be able to get through your solo that you've
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worked up you know so you just gotta have that stuff ready so yeah there was stuff that I that I had worked up and
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then stuff that I didn't for sure yeah how did you kind of get get the news
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that Don was kind of moving away from playing well that was just man it was out of
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nowhere you know we had just got we had just got Billy in the band so he had
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been one of us like six months I think and I remember when that when covet hit it
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was like like the first thing we seen was the hand sanitizer on the wall you know and it was like and Don's first
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thing was like Hey right after you're shaking hands you go down you hit that hand sanitizer like right now you know
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so you know he was already like he was he was you know he he was very careful about being sick because he's 75 yeah
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you know he's 73 at the time yeah and I also wanted you to be able to play didn't want to be sick yeah right you
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know so soon as man it was like Saturday night we played and then I played a gig I
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played a trio with Joe like we do now across the street and the Word was getting out that
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everybody was closing down and it was like everybody was like nightmarried you know
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it was like what are we gonna do like you know what are we going to do you know so
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after that you know don don would always go on like oh I'm not gonna be doing this much longer I'm not gonna be doing
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this but the truth is he'd do it till until he wouldn't until he couldn't you know he would do it till he couldn't and
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he'd tell you that now you know but after like after a month or two being
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shut down you know he was pretty set on like you know I just don't know if I can do this you know and he's like I just
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don't want to get sick you know so it strung out a year you know and as soon as we all went back we all got covered
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you know we all did get it like two or three months in it was like immediately you know so you can't blame
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him for not doing it you know not coming back because he would have got sick we all did you know but
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as soon as that happened it was just like man we begged him like me and Joe we
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were on the phone always like being like man you got to come back to work you know like you can't you know we don't
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want to do it without you you know it wasn't it wasn't never like that you know but
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he already had that house you know and his boy you know and I'm sure he's like needs to spend time with his son you
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know and and go down to Florida and do that you know so he already had that in his head I already had a free house down
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there and it was like it just seemed right you know and he wasn't for the most part he would he you
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know we went back because we were like well we ain't scared to get sick you know what it will be okay but for him it
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was like well you know I could die if I get sick you know so he never came back and we started with
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David Graham played with us like a four piece and kind of took Don's spot there for a while and then like I said he's
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got his Road gig you know and his little the Eskimo brothers so he went back to doing that and we just
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slowly like morphed into the trio you know and that's just kind of where we've been going ever since yeah
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but yeah he just it was sad man like him leaving you know
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it's still sad you know I call him every day and I'm like I sure do miss you know I ain't got nobody to run around and eat
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with yeah you know but yeah so but but y'all have you know of course
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been a a great success and and you know I think one of your you know kind of
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feathers your hat was you know getting to open a show for Jordan Peterson yeah so so he he just came in and saw y'all
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play one night yeah man he uh I didn't know him
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and the door guy Kevin at the time my buddy Kevin he was like he walked in and we took a break and
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Kevin was like he's like he's like do you know that guy over there in the suit and I was like no of
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course he was so out of place directions in there you know and he's like three days in his three-piece suit you know
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and he's like that's Jordan Peterson like he's one of the most famous people there he is you know he's like and and I
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and I didn't even know I had I had heard him and didn't even realize it you know so
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he came up and talked to me and just as sweet and just like he's just like a super kind person you know super
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humble and that was so cool you know and
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he just came up and like complimented us you know and Joe knew who he was Joe had had his book and I didn't I didn't know
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him you know but I was like it's so nice to meet you blah blah you know and and that was it for for that you know he
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had said something I guess to Joe about like I want you guys to come and open my show but or close it out but I didn't I
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didn't know anything about it or anything until it was probably a little while later and then to be honest with you that's not
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been too long ago but I can't remember how we how we got that but he uh got us to close out at the Ryman
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you know and that was like for me it was like I want to play with Don Kelly I want to play the rhyming Auditorium like
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and I want a fender deal that was my three things like I want these three things and like if I can do that like
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I'll be happy you know and that was it was the last one I was like holy cow man you know so I did not I always expected
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like maybe in like 10 or 15 years I'd have to get like a gig with an artist you know and like play back up to get to
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play the rhyme and I never expected I get to go over there and play Ghost Riders on the rhyming Auditorium you
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know it was like it was just mind-blowing you know that I'm so thankful for that you
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know that was just like he just made such a dream come true for me you know and I can't thank him enough yeah for
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that is he a musician Jordan yeah I think he writes songs okay I don't think he I don't think he plays but he's he
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sent me some songs he's wrote he can write some songs for sure what was it what was it about y'all that
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just really you know that floored him so much I I don't know no no I mean no you know
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I think he loved it he loved Ghost Riders I know that he loved that you know he loved the fact that that we play
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that head and then we go out and just kind of go out on a limb you know and just see what happens freedom and
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everything that y'all have in there yeah he loved that and he loved getting to see like the room build you know with excitement and stuff like that I think
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that that was what he really liked about it you know seeing Joe and Billy it's like how could you not like those two you
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know they're just just crazy [Music]
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hahaha [Music]
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let's talk gear I mean I guess that seems like what we ought to do since you have a guitar with you now and you got
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like an amp and a pedalboard and stuff so let's let's start off first with you said one of your wishes was to have a
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fender deal yeah so do you have a fender deal I do yeah yeah this is my custom shop it's a Fender Custom Shop Thin Line
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Telecaster that's beautiful yes sir so so you expect this out you told them
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what you wanted yeah I did and I got this the only thing that's kind of different about it is I I wanted like
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the regular you know the regular knobs and stuff I didn't want like the you
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know it has the big pick guard right offset yeah so I wanted I wanted this
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like that and then I I asked for this little half guard so I got this and and then this is Brent's humbucker in the
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front so I got that and then this is a Lindy Freeland Blues special in the back so I had to replace
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that but I love that thing man so I use those in like everything and
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yeah that's pretty much it it's like the biggest snack that they had and
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why did you go with a maple cap neck man that was actually that was the advice of like my dad and the fender guy
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both were like yeah like those are super cool you know so yeah I never had one and I was like why not you know why not
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grab one so I love it it's a beautiful beautiful guitar you know
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play a little bit on the the neck humbucker so we can hear that if you don't mind [Music]
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then you got like the middle positions it sounds really good like you know the
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humbug [Music]
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and then the back [Music]
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what kind of thumb pick do you use I was afraid Kelly I just started using it like probably like a month ago but
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they're like the light Fred Kelly them picks I was using like the blue dunlops but they're just they were a little too long
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so I started using this so I could like flat pick you know a little bit because that's one of the hard things about is
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for thumb Pickers if they want to try to strum they need to have one that's kind of that's shorter yeah right yeah that
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was that was why I got this and I started when I started playing I'd use these and then I I swapped because I was
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losing them and they were like higher you know so yeah my dad was like we can't afford all these thumb things if
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you're gonna be losing them looks like you know you know 20 cents or
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something like that thumb picks can be like a dollar or more yeah now they're only like a dollar but back then they
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were like 350 or something you know what uh what strings do you use I've been
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using I've been using elixirs like 10 through 46. yeah so I either use those or sometimes I use like the new diaderio
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there's like a new white pack yeah I think that's the XS yeah so I've been trying those two and those are cool but
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I kind of just swapped between those for the most part yeah so let's see so we got the guitar you
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got we got strings pick uh tell us about your pedal board I guess so I got this RC booster that my friend Johnny
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Hawthorne gave me over at exotic so I love that thing man I keep it on like
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every solo I'll have it on for the most part you know sometimes I'll like keep it off for like Rhythm and then
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I put it on and sometimes I just keep it on the whole time so I love that thing and then right now
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I got this ts9 on here I go back and forth between that and like the ts808
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it's like Stevie Ray you know it's my my favorite so I love those things that that one's
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really cool and and it just gives you like a little bit more grit you know and then
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this dd3 I I've swapped through delays I had an old dm2 but it's broke right now
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I love those but so I just got that one on there right now but it's a great pedal too you know
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and so yeah and then of course got a you know boss tuner on the end yeah and then a boss tuner and then uh and then that's
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a homemade pedal board that your dad did yes sir yeah my dad done that and I love the fact that you've got uh you've got
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some little DC Jacks there and then you've got two one spots plugged in so so an open plug for True tone thank you
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yeah right yeah for sure so yeah I use I love those one spots man and my dad done
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that because he had one of the Echoplex pedals you know and it was like it was like no matter what he done it
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was buzzing you know so he ended up doing doing that like running two different ones and that fixed it so
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right yeah that's why he done that yeah and uh of course you've got the
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classic blackface Deluxe Reverb tell us a bit about the amp yeah so my dad got that when I was I want to say I was like
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13 or 14. he had I was telling him about this earlier but he went up to uh Mike's
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Music in Cincinnati and at the time like you couldn't find Deluxe reverbs you know there was none and they had like
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six of them so he went up there and swapped a swapped a blackface Viber
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looks for it it was all original and this thing's it's had like the transformer changed and a couple other
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things done to it but it's just a great amp man he found it and when I started playing with Don he
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was like maybe you should try that blackface out him I just been playing it ever since so that's the if that you play with Don I mean with with Kelly's
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Heroes yeah oh yeah I use it all the time and it's got old Celestial vintage 30 in it I love selection and they're
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great and um yeah love the Vintage 30s those are awesome yeah they got a little
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more mid-range to them yeah man they just break up just perfect yeah
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tell it you know since since you've got the guitar out tell us a bit about when you're playing
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over changes do you uh are you thinking about chord shapes or or you know what what do you
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what are you thinking of like let's say you know just like walking the dog or any kind of 145 song you know what are
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what are you thinking about are you thinking about melody lines are you thinking about scales chord tones what
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do you think I think it's a little of all you know I think about I think about like the chord
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and you know you always got like your licks and stuff that you turn to you know you always got like your bag that
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you that you go to so I'll be thinking about you know sometimes if I'm struggling and I'm not like if I'm not hearing nothing
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I don't have an idea like I'll just turn to no faithful you know like an old lick or something but if I'm like if I'm in that mode you
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know and if I've like if I'm I can there's times that I can like see you know and it's like I can just there's
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times that I can just pick out things you know and really just depends on how much you've
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been playing that day for the most part you know but yeah for the most part it's just like it's a combination of things and like
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just focusing on the chord as long as like as long as you know what's coming you know and you know how to play around
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like that chord you'll you'll get it you know for the most part as long as you're not hitting anything outside of those
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notes you know you know yeah so let's say there's an 11 year old kid out there
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who's looking up to you and he wants to learn to play like you what do you recommend to him to do
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the amazing slow Downer that's probably what I would recommend is slow Downer and a lots of Stevie Ray
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Vaughan if you like it you know if you love the blues and yeah and uh
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yeah you know just whatever whatever you want to learn learn it you know and
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don't don't waste no time if you got something you got to do just get up and do it you know and that's all you can do
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you know if you're doing right and just you just do what you're supposed to do you know if there's something that you
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like and you hear then learn it don't stop till you got it down you know and and learn your cords up and down the
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neck you know learn how to learn your major scale learn Melody you know that's a big thing it's like learning Melody
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you have to learn that you know and learning all your different chords Down
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the neck learning how to play out and learning how to play your skills through that and your pentatonic scale you know
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just all that stuff see 22 and you've already done most of the
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things that you've you've dreamed of so far which getting a fender deal playing with rhyming playing with Don Kelly what
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what are your next dreams and goals man I don't know probably probably to write
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some good heartfelt songs for sure you know and try to work on singing you know for me right now it's like just trying
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to get better at singing and writing you know that's that's my biggest goals and honestly just to keep playing with Joe
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Fick and Billy Van Vliet like those guys are just golden you know and I'll die a happy man if I'm still sitting with him
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at Robert's wisdom world at 60 years old I'll be a happy man that's so fantastic that you that that you love it and
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you're getting to play with those guys and and that again I just have to give a plug for anyone that comes to Nashville
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the must do is they got to go see you play and it's and it's Wednesday through
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Saturday and you all play again 6 30 to 10 30 something like 30 to 10 yep yeah
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yeah they got got to go see you play well Luke thank you so much for coming down uh
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such an honor you're you're such a great player and such a great story thank you so much for uh for coming down and doing
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this well thank you for having me man I watch them all the time so I really appreciate it awesome hey y'all there's
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a couple people I forgot to mention in this little interview first off Guthrie trap you got to go see him at the
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underdog on Monday nights uh James Mitchell he's a big session guy here in town got a great album out his self Ford
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Thurston Ben Haggard Steve Warner Tommy Emmanuel there's just so many Dimension but those guys should definitely be
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mentioned I've learned a lot from them also I'd like to thank Terry Warner
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um Tooley Dalton Brian King and Mark Hardwick for giving me some of my first
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gigs Mark Meese for letting me trample all over his when I was just a kid and
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all those musicians I played with a poem that I've learned something from them all I'd like to thank all my
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endorsements Stephen Ben over at Fender Johnny at exotic and Rick at celestion and Jayco straps I'm sure there's a few
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I'm missing but I'd like to thank them all and just appreciate all the help along the way and I'd like to thank you
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Zach Childs and Bob over at true tone Lounge for having me thank you guys