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How Did My Stratocaster End Up Playing "Wicked Game" With Chris Isaak?

Nov 14, 202323 minEp. 179
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The story of how JD Simo played the Ryman with Chris Isaak using my Stratocaster built by Brad Paisley. I also go in-depth on the Stratocaster that my old college buddy crafted for me. 

Gear used:

2023 Headstrong Lil' King with 12" Eminence GA-SC64 speaker
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1955 Stratocaster built by my old college buddy, B. Paisley, using a mix of old and new parts. Ron Ellis 50/60 middle and neck, Duncan Twang banger in the bridge.

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D'Addario NYXL 10-46
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well hello friends and welcome to


0:55

ask Zack today I'm going to tell the


0:58

far-fetched Tale of how my Strat here


1:03

that Brad Paisley Built Me ended up


1:05

getting Borrowed by JD Simo to use with


1:10

Chris Isaac to play at the Ryman here in


1:14

Nashville Tennessee and of course you


1:16

know got to play uh he got to play


1:18

Wicked Game on uh on my Brad Paisley


1:22

built Strat so today I'm going to tell


1:26

the story first about uh JD and Chris


1:30

Isaac and then I'll go into the


1:32

specifics of this Brad Paisley built uh


1:36

and finished and Relic Stratocaster that


1:40

he built for me so this is going to be a


1:42

fun one first off I need to thank all of


1:46

my patreon members because they are what


1:49

keeps this show going and I'm truly


1:51

grateful to them secondly I just wanted


1:55

to let you know that every ask Zack


1:57

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1:59

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2:02

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2:03

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2:06

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2:13

to listen to a


2:15

podcast all right let's dive


2:18

in so now I'm going to tell the full


2:20

story of the Strat later but uh I had


2:22

just gotten this and you know Brad and I


2:26

were still kind of tweaking some stuff


2:28

he was still kind of doing some aging


2:30

stuff and I was doing some uh you know


2:33

getting it set up the way I wanted to I


2:35

was learning things about uh oh kind of


2:39

like the Eric Johnson method of kind of


2:41

winding up the low E and A strings and


2:46

sometimes using the string tree for


2:48

certain strings like the high e but not


2:50

for the B and just different things


2:52

trying to keep the floating tremolo uh


2:55

in tune and again I know there's a lot


2:58

of people that responded to my to float


3:00

or not to float uh video about how they


3:04

like to deck it but still use the


3:05

tremolo I have no problem with that


3:07

that's just has never worked for me


3:09

there's a lot of guitar players I love


3:11

that use that but I've never been able


3:13

to make it work and also to me one of


3:15

the greatest things about the


3:18

tremolo on the Strat is the fact that it


3:21

can go up and down and have such a


3:22

smooth waiver so all right so let's get


3:27

back into the story I see I get


3:28

sidetracked I go Down the Rabbit Trail


3:31

so I had just seen JD earlier that day


3:35

at Glazer instruments and I think I was


3:39

aging some screws or something like that


3:41

I can't remember exactly what I was


3:43

doing but uh you know I saw JD and you


3:46

know and and saw Joe Glazer and Nick and


3:49

all the guys Aaron Parker and a lot of


3:51

the other wonderful cats down at Glazer


3:55

instruments Adam also another another


3:58

favorite uh and you know we uh you know


4:02

we were just kind of hanging out and


4:04

then I left went back home it was on a


4:06

Friday and I was catching up on emails


4:09

doing you know variety of different work


4:11

and all of a sudden I get a call from JD


4:13

and JD says hey can I borrow your


4:18

Strat and first there's kind of


4:21

a sorry to say this but it was kind of a


4:23

what the hell moment I was like you know


4:26

I just got this thing and I've been


4:27

tweaking on it and so then he says


4:30

I just got a call from Chris Isaac's


4:33

management that uh they're wanting me to


4:35

play with him at the Ryman that his uh


4:38

regular longtime guitar since the mid90s


4:41

hersel yeitz was uh under the weather


4:44

and he was not going to be able to make


4:46

the gig at the Ryman on Monday but they


4:49

didn't want to cancel the show so JD had


4:52

played on a Christmas album for Chris uh


4:56

recently and I maybe had done some other


4:59

sessions for Chris Isaac


5:02

and so that's why he got the


5:05

call so and the reason that JD wanted to


5:08

borrow this Strat was one he had already


5:09

checked it out and knew that it was a


5:11

really good Strat it's a amazing Strat


5:14

actually uh you know without getting too


5:17

over the top about it but uh he said I


5:21

don't own a strat right now that uh that


5:23

has a tremolo bar you know the only


5:25

Strat that he had is a Glazer made Strat


5:27

from the early 80s that uh that's a hard


5:30

tail and he said you know of course I've


5:32

got to play Wicked Game I've got to play


5:34

it on a strat and uh he said can I


5:37

borrow it I said sure So we uh so you


5:41

know we were both busy and so he said


5:43

can you bring it over and I said well


5:45

can we just meet up at you know a gas


5:47

station cuz that's always that's what


5:48

you do you meet up at a gas station and


5:50

pass off a strat that's what we did we


5:52

met at the uh at a gas station in


5:54

Franklin Tennessee and you know I handed


5:57

off this Strat in a gig bag


6:00

and uh you know I told him you know a


6:03

little bit you know about he said what


6:04

strings you putting on it I said I put


6:06

you know nyxl daros uh you know 10


6:09

through 46 and I told him about the


6:11

trick you know I was doing with you know


6:13

so that he you know cuz I knew he was


6:14

going to probably want to change strings


6:16

even though I just put a a fresh set on


6:18

there so uh so he had to uh butt bust


6:22

his butt as it were learning uh I think


6:25

roughly 30 tunes and uh that was from


6:28

Friday evening at 5:30 to 3:00 the next


6:33

day on Saturday that's when the


6:35

rehearsal was


6:38

and I know JD and I know that he really


6:41

busted his rear end and he learned all


6:43

the tunes and uh he told a really funny


6:47

story and uh I'm not going to use the


6:50

exploitive but uh he said that uh you


6:53

know they were going through the songs


6:56

and uh and Chris Isaac told him he said


6:58

I'm still waiting for you to f up and of


7:00

course he didn't use that he used the


7:01

real word but uh anyway uh JD very much


7:06

impressed uh Chris and the rest of the


7:09

band and he did an amazing job and he


7:12

even surprised them by learning some of


7:15

their kind of choreographed dance moves


7:17

he uh he found you know video of a


7:21

recent concert and he saw you know when


7:24

the band would do certain moves and


7:26

things like that on certain songs and uh


7:30

and so he surprised them he didn't do it


7:32

in rehearsal he did it at the show at


7:34

the Rhyman and uh he completely bowled


7:37

over Chris and the rest of the band


7:40

so on Sunday he uh he texted me and he


7:43

said hey if you'd like tickets for the


7:45

show and I was kind of hoping I didn't


7:47

want to ask but I was hoping he would


7:48

offer you know tickets to the show since


7:51

I was uh letting him borrow my my brand


7:54

new to me


7:56

Stratocaster and so my wife Amy and I we


7:59

went went to the uh to the show on


8:00

Monday night at the Ryman and I have to


8:04

say


8:05

that I I enjoyed Chris Isaac but was not


8:09

a big Chris Isaac fan and I was only


8:11

familiar with probably four of his Tunes


8:14

my wife Amy was only familiar with


8:16

Wicked Game she didn't know the rest of


8:18

them but I have to tell you that is one


8:20

of the best shows I've ever seen Chris


8:22

Isaac he's 67 years old he still sings


8:26

Like a Bird um you know in the best kind


8:29

of ation of that and he is quite the


8:33

Entertainer I mean he is a great great


8:36

great


8:37

charismatic uh Entertainer and he really


8:39

had the audience in the palm of his hand


8:42

he did such a great job um you he comes


8:46

out in a uh you know manuell you know


8:49

kind of nudie suit I mean real classy uh


8:52

you know black but with a lot of bling


8:53

on it and uh and then later on he came


8:56

out on in The Encore with this outfit


8:59

that was all made of mirrors and it must


9:02

have weighed 100 pounds but uh Chris


9:05

sang wonderfully his band has been with


9:08

him for golly I think I think closing in


9:11

on 30 or 40 years um and JD you know to


9:17

the to someone that didn't know everyone


9:19

thought that JD was his current guitar


9:22

player and uh and that just goes to show


9:24

how much work that JD put into it in uh


9:28

in really


9:29

fitting in and he told me he said uh he


9:33

said I just thought about what John


9:36

Jorgenson would do if he was going to


9:37

play with Chris Isaac which meant he was


9:40

going to dress the part he was going to


9:41

learn everything backwards and forwards


9:43

he was going to learn dance he was going


9:45

to fit in he was going to you know be a


9:47

chameleon and just go right into it and


9:50

which is exactly what he did and he


9:52

killed it on every solo that he played


9:55

of course it was really fun seeing him


9:57

he used this about 30% 30 to 40% of the


10:00

time he also used his danocaster Telly


10:03

that's wonderful and he used an es5 and


10:07

he used his old uh 62 uh red 335 that he


10:11

calls red and he used his uh and which


10:15

I'm using one today also he used his


10:17

headstrong uh Lil King you know with a


10:20

12 in it and uh that's what he played


10:22

through and he had a second one as a


10:24

backup the the the bigger one that well


10:26

it's it's the same size but it has six


10:28

l6s in it and it's a kind of a brown


10:30

color but he just used his uh his black


10:34

one and he had his usual little pedal


10:36

board that had like a uh think it has


10:39

like a Nobles and uh you know a couple


10:43

other stomp boxes on there and uh yeah


10:46

he did a fantastic job and it was it was


10:50

a real hoot and uh you know of course we


10:52

got to chat some after the show and uh


10:56

yeah it was it was fantastic


10:59

so a little bit about uh you know Wicked


11:02

Game uh just because you know it's it's


11:06

such a cool part you know that you know


11:10

you


11:14

[Music]


11:20

get it's just a a really really Killer


11:24

part and that was originally you know


11:26

the guy that came up with that was uh


11:29

was Chris's original guitar player James


11:31

Calvin wiy who uh you know was with him


11:34

throughout the 80s and through the the


11:36

mid90s when hersel took over and uh


11:41

apparently uh James used a reissue


11:44

Stratocaster with a deluxe Reverb and


11:47

then in in post I think there were some


11:49

other effects added like a Roland SD


11:52

3000 and maybe some other things were


11:54

added but uh it's a really neat part I


11:57

love the fact that you you have really


12:00

great um you know tremolo bar part and


12:04

it sounds so stratty it sounds like the


12:07

net pickup to me and uh you you kind of


12:10

have this pre- Bend um you know


12:15

[Music]


12:17

the you have you know where you hit the


12:19

note you bend it down then you hit the


12:21

second note and then you release the


12:23

tremolo bar and it just uh it's a great


12:26

part of course you have all the


12:27

arpeggiated part parts and everything so


12:30

that's a beautiful beautiful iconic part


12:34

and especially in a time when uh you


12:37

know this is kind of when hair bands and


12:40

uh we're about to we're kind of you know


12:43

tailing off and you're about to get into


12:45

grunge and really there was wicked game


12:48

and the other Chris Isaac material and


12:50

he had Tom Petty and really there


12:52

weren't that many other guys that were


12:54

kind of going for what I would think of


12:57

as more Straight Ahead guitar guitar


12:59

parts um yeah more rock and roll guitar


13:02

and of course you know the Wicked Game


13:05

guitar part you know it sounds like it


13:06

could have been done by the Shadows uh


13:09

more so than the ventures uh just


13:11

because of the uh you know that sounds


13:13

like a hank B Marvin kind of uh guitar


13:16

part to me so I don't know if that was


13:17

an influence on James of course James


13:20

has passed away he had uh he had some


13:23

substance issues but uh what a great


13:26

player and uh yeah and what a great


13:28

guitar partner


13:29

all right I guess it's time to talk


13:31

about the Strat


13:33

so I uh you know I went to college with


13:38

Brad Paisley I was guitar tech for a


13:40

period of time back in the early 2000s


13:42

and then we've just maintained our our


13:44

our friendship and uh you know we just


13:47

enjoy talking about guitars and geeking


13:50

out on stuff like that and that's what


13:51

we do and you know he built a uh a


13:56

wonderful Black Guard Telecaster for me


13:58

that I'll tell that story at some other


14:01

point uh and I used that when I went to


14:04

Vegas so that's the guitar you see me


14:06

you know in the uh in the you know what


14:08

was that street talk Las veg yeah that's


14:10

the one that I have in that


14:13

episode and I'd had that for about a


14:15

month or two and all of a sudden he


14:18

asked me he said do you have a


14:21

strat I said no I don't have a strat


14:23

anymore because the last Strat I had was


14:24

a danocaster strat and I had to sell it


14:26

to get my 57 Esquire and so I hadn't had


14:29

a strat in years and he said I'm going


14:31

to build you a strat I saidwell have you


14:33

built a strat he said well not really I


14:37

said okay great and so uh he told me he


14:40

said um I have a lot of this stuff but I


14:44

need you to buy a couple things and so I


14:46

just got on reverb and and bought a a US


14:49

reissue you know bridge and and some of


14:52

the plastic and such and I had a set of


14:54

Ron Lis pickups that the 5060 set


14:59

and uh so when he provided the rest he


15:02

uh he found a body with a very striking


15:06

Ash uh figuring and he got this uh neck


15:11

and he reshaped the body so he changed


15:15

you know he made this the Contours more


15:17

severe kind of like they were in the in


15:19

the ' 50s and he also worked on the uh


15:22

you know this part of the the shaping


15:24

and he he did some reshaping on the body


15:27

he got a neck uh this is this is an


15:30

actual Fender neck uh I think it's you


15:33

know probably you know 10 or 15 years


15:36

old that uh I'm not sure if it was a


15:39

regular you know factory model or if it


15:42

was a custom shop one but it's really


15:44

big and he reshaped it to be a soft v uh


15:47

because that's kind of a favorite neck


15:49

shape for uh for both of us


15:53

and yeah and so he he did all the finish


15:57

work on this and then he did all the


15:58

relicing and so I hope you can see all


16:01

of the the cracking and such and uh even


16:06

you know the wear that's on like the


16:08

switch tip and the knobs and uh even


16:12

there's even a uh cigar burn here that


16:15

he did with one of his cigars and uh


16:19

yeah nice wear on the back of the neck


16:22

you can see that the back of the guitar


16:23

is much less uh


16:26

glossy but uh yeah got a nice neck plate


16:30

on


16:31

there it's just a a fantastic guitar and


16:36

uh and just the amount of work that went


16:38

into doing this uh the aging and


16:41

finishing on this and also he doesn't


16:43

have a like a paint booth or anything


16:45

he's just using rattle cans and little


16:48

you know little other kinds of spray


16:50

cans that he has and this is you know he


16:52

he does this all just out of his little


16:56

shop and uh yeah and so he uh aged you


17:02

know the pickup covers and aged the the


17:04

bridge and everything and uh one of the


17:08

really funny things was when we put the


17:10

pickups in


17:13

um these two ronellis pickups just


17:16

sounded amazing and for some reason the


17:19

bridge one was just not working and so


17:21

we tried a couple of different vintage


17:24

type you know Strat pickups and none of


17:27

them sounded right and I I think it's


17:28

because this guitar is somewhat on the


17:30

bright side which is really good for


17:32

these two pickups but it puts this


17:34

pickup in a rough position because this


17:37

pickup you know a strat Bridge pickup is


17:39

pretty bright it's brighter than a


17:40

Telecaster even though people don't want


17:42

to admit that and it has less body


17:44

because it's not mounted in a in a plate


17:47

or anything and it doesn't have a bottom


17:48

plate


17:50

well Brad said uh let's pull this the


17:54

bridge pickup out of this guitar over


17:55

here and he said I remember remember it


17:58

sounded really fat and so we uh we


18:02

pulled it out and it ended up being a


18:04

Seymour Duncan twang Banger so that's a


18:07

uh you know a vintage style pickup that


18:10

actually has sandcast magnets and then


18:13

uh and then it has a uh a copper uh well


18:17

it's a steel plate that's copper coated


18:20

it's copper plated and that's on the


18:22

bottom kind of like a


18:24

Telecaster um and that apparently boosts


18:27

output and especially boosts like low


18:30

end and low mids so uh ended up being a


18:34

really great combination and usually I'm


18:35

not really a big uh you I usually don't


18:38

mix a lot of pickups but uh the


18:41

combination of the uh the the 2 5060 Ron


18:45

Ellis uh and of course I was playing on


18:47

the neck pickup then uh these two


18:50

pickups are just amazing and then this


18:53

one uh you know it has enough uh oomph


18:57

to it to keep up with these guys with


18:59

the uh with the bottom plate and


19:01

everything and of course I always wire


19:03

every Strat like the you know the EJ the


19:06

Eric Johnson thing where I wired this


19:08

tone control to the bridge pickup


19:10

instead of it being on the uh on the


19:12

middle pickup so yeah so that's the


19:15

story of this guitar and uh it's really


19:19

a lot of fun it's a it's a great great


19:22

instrument and uh yeah and I've had a


19:25

little help you know in the setup


19:27

Department from uh


19:28

Nick over at Glazer shop he did a little


19:32

work on the nut and such but uh


19:35

otherwise yeah really have enjoyed


19:39

this well I hope you've enjoyed today's


19:42

episode I do want to say one other thing


19:44

before we before we leave and that's


19:46

just that uh I want to say


19:48

congratulations to my buddy uh Jimmy


19:50

olander he got on the cover of vintage


19:53

guitar magazine and thanks to Ward Meer


19:55

for uh writing a great article and for


19:58

putting him on the cover so I thought


19:59

that was really nice so go out and check


20:01

out that article that Ward merer wrote


20:03

on uh Jimmy olander all right guys I


20:07

hope you've enjoyed today's episode and


20:09

I'll see you next time bye-bye show them

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