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A Look at the "Champ Killer" 1954 Wide-Panel Fender Princeton Amp

Nov 05, 202418 minEp. 215
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Built from 1953-55, the Wide-Panel Princeton was short-lived, yet in that brief time had 5B2, 5C2, and 5D2 iterations with earlier versions using octal preamp tube, and the latter using a 12AX7. Though both the tweed Princeton and the Champ were single-ended (single power tube) amps, the mighty Princeton throughout the 50s in most years had a bigger speaker, larger cabinet, and the addition of a tone control. For fun, we go all the way back to the first year of the amps production, 1946, and take the amp from it's woody birth, up through TV-front, wide-panel, and narrow-panel versions.

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1957 Fender Esquire with a 1954 neck pickup, and original bridge pickup. Restoration and Aging on the Body by Dan "Danocaster" Strain. Refret by Nick at Glaser Instruments. Both pickups were rewound by Ron Ellis. Pickguard design by Jay & Kristi Smith of Juicebox Designs.


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0:13

well hello friends and welcome to ask


0:16

Zack today we are going to take a deep


0:19

dive on the wide panel 1954


0:23

Princeton I'm going to give you of


0:25

course you know specs features stuff


0:28

like that we're also going to go back


0:30

back to


0:30

1946 with the release of the first


0:33

Princeton and I'm going to give you kind


0:34

of how the model changed up through 54


0:37

and then of course we'll talk about the


0:39

rest of the ' 50s and into about


0:42

1965 just to kind of encapsulate the uh


0:45

the prbs Princeton years but yeah we're


0:49

going to do a deep dive on this uh wide


0:51

panel 1954 Princeton and we'll do a


0:55

little playing through it and just so


0:56

you can hear what it sounds like and


0:58

just have a good time


1:00

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1:02

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find out more about that all right let's


1:24

dive in so the Princeton model is really


1:29

really really important in the Fender


1:32

amp


1:33

lineup reason being is not just a a huge


1:36

seller through the entire you know time


1:40

that Fender has been


1:42

around it was also one of the very first


1:45

amplifiers that was offered by Fender


1:47

and their initial offerings in 1946 were


1:50

three models they were the Princeton


1:54

that had an 8in speaker and had a single


1:57

output tube and a you know had a 6vc and


2:00

a 5 Y3 and an octal preamp


2:03

tube then you had the uh the deluxe


2:07

which had two output tubes two 6 v6s and


2:12

you know again an octal preamp tube and


2:14

a 5 Y3 and a 10-in speaker and then you


2:18

had the top-of-the-line professional or


2:20

Pro that was uh it had two sixl sixs and


2:25

it had a 15-in field coil speaker and of


2:28

course all of these were the


2:30

what we call the Woody amps and I'll


2:32

show a little picture here you know


2:34

where they had the wooden cabinets that


2:37

were kind of natural finished maybe


2:39

lightly stained and they had kind of a


2:40

wooden handle that was built into the


2:43

design and had kind of this velvety kind


2:45

of vour kind of a grill cloth so that


2:50

initial Princeton was a really


2:52

interesting ant because they really were


2:54

trying to make it as kind of beginner


2:57

you know friendly and you know trying to


3:01

make it as inexpensive as possible for


3:04

the student so this original 1946


3:07

Princeton had two inputs no volume no


3:12

tone control no onoff switch yes that's


3:15

right if you wanted to turn it on you


3:17

plugged it in if you wanted to turn it


3:18

off you unplugged


3:20

it they figured it didn't need a volume


3:23

control because it was usually sold as a


3:25

set with a steel guitar a fender steel


3:27

guitar that had a volume control on on


3:29

it and the reason it had two inputs was


3:33

that it was designed to be used in


3:35

teaching Studios or you know some


3:38

teacher you know teaching at their house


3:40

or what have you and so that way you


3:43

know you and your teacher could get your


3:45

steel guitars out and you could uh slide


3:47

around and learn how to


3:49

play well the uh the the Woody amps went


3:53

away and it made way for the TV front


3:57

amps in 194 8 and in 48 they decided to


4:02

upgrade the Princeton so at this point


4:06

it gets a volume control and it gets a


4:09

tone control that has a built-in onoff


4:11

switch and this is also on this amp and


4:14

it makes this little click uh you know


4:16

basically you turn the tone control all


4:18

the way down and it makes a little click


4:19

and that turns it off and then you click


4:21

it and turn it back on and then of


4:22

course you can use the tone control as


4:25

normal continued to have two inputs and


4:28

of course the uh TV front design but


4:31

what that did was it made room at the


4:35

Bottom Rung of the Fender amp line up


4:38

for another amp so guess what this is


4:42

where the champ comes in so the champ


4:45

came in right underneath it having a


4:48

6-in speaker and and a similar circuit


4:51

but it was interesting uh it it had all


4:55

of the components kind of wired together


4:56

it didn't really have a circuit board so


4:58

it was kind of like it was it was this


5:00

direct you know solder the way the


5:02

components were kind of uh uh connected


5:05

together so that's where you get the


5:07

champ and originally was called the


5:08

Champion 600 so now you have the


5:11

champion and the Princeton and this is


5:12

the way it's going to continue for a


5:14

while so again TV front amp it it's very


5:19

similar to the uh you know it continues


5:23

to have the octal preamp tube the metal


5:25

you know preamp tube uh and then in 19


5:29

19 53 they change from the TV front


5:33

design to the wide panel Tweed and so


5:36

you get this other you know type of


5:38

Tweed material and uh of course you know


5:42

what we call wide


5:44

panel uh the amp really didn't change


5:47

much at first besides of course the


5:49

cabinet getting a little


5:51

bigger uh then about 1954 which is what


5:57

this is Fender has is finally phasing


6:01

out those metal octal preamp tubes and


6:04

so this amp because it's a 54 it has a


6:07

12x 7 and V1 so it has a 12x 7 a 6v6


6:13

power tube and then it has a 5y3


6:16

rectifier so that that kind of gets us


6:19

up to this amp specifically and uh this


6:23

one was purchased by my friend Austin


6:26

Skinner and he got it at an estate sale


6:29

so uh you know make sure and go to those


6:30

as much as possible and he picked this


6:33

up and it needed a little bit of repair


6:34

work and stuff but uh it's in uh you


6:37

know it's in pretty good shape um


6:40

obviously it's missing the handle and uh


6:43

you know these the handle the leather


6:45

handles that they put on these


6:47

originally they just tend to dry rot and


6:51

they just don't last and so to find an


6:54

original handle on a on a fender you


6:56

know from the 50s is


7:00

I mean it almost never happens and if it


7:01

did it had to be an amp that was never


7:03

picked up by the handle or it's just


7:04

been sitting somewhere for uh you know a


7:09

lifetime a couple of lifetimes at this


7:11

point uh but yeah so this is very common


7:14

and uh you know of course there's reos


7:16

out there uh Tweeds in good shape Grill


7:19

cloths in good shape um let's uh pick it


7:22

up and show the uh the Chrome


7:26

plated


7:28

chassis which is very uh corroded and


7:33

it's got a lot of pitting in it and such


7:36

but uh yeah but everything works you see


7:40

the the back of it in really good


7:42

condition uh you know the chassis itself


7:44

is really clean otherwise it's just the


7:46

top I don't know what it was exposed to


7:48

Salt Air or what but the rest of it is


7:51

is per perfectly fine of course you got


7:54

some rusty Glides on the bottom but the


7:57

Tweed looks really good even on the


7:59

bottom


8:00

and uh yeah it's just a a really really


8:03

cool little amp and these


8:06

are a very similar circuit to what the


8:10

champ becomes later on because again


8:13

they kind of keep upgrading the amps and


8:15

all of them kind of rise up and at times


8:17

they of course bring in these other


8:19

models to fit in the Gap but being that


8:23

this has an 8in


8:25

speaker uh it's you know it it's


8:27

somewhat similar to the later you know


8:30

champ where it when it got an 8 in


8:31

speaker and such but uh yeah let's


8:34

that's enough talking about this let's


8:37

uh let's kind of hear what it sounds


8:39

like so for the demo I'm of course


8:42

playing my 57 Squire that hasn't added


8:45

neck pickup


8:48

and I'm plugged in and I've got the uh


8:50

the volume on six and I've got the tone


8:54

on 3 and


8:55

1/2 and I start off kind of to clean it


8:58

up a little bit I back off the volume


9:00

control on the Esquire just a little bit


9:02

to kind of clean it up and I play like a


9:04

little kind of jury Reish kind of funky


9:06

thing and then I play uh I turn the


9:09

volume control all the way up so that


9:11

you can kind of get a little bit of grit


9:13

and you can hear the uh stereotypical


9:16

riff that probably anyone plays when


9:18

they're demoing a champ and then I go to


9:21

the neck pickup on the Esquire and I


9:24

turned the tone control all the way up


9:26

so you can kind of hear you know kind of


9:29

the the tonal range that it has and also


9:31

you know hear a little bit of that you


9:32

know kind of dirty neck pickup sound


9:34

which is a lot of fun so yeah so let's


9:37

have a gander


9:39

[Music]


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the


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[Music]


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[Music]


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all right I hope you uh enjoyed that uh


10:50

again this is it's a cool little amp now


10:54

is it a is it a one trick pony well not


10:57

exactly but it doesn't have like a ton


10:59

of sounds in it it can kind of clean up


11:01

some but obviously it doesn't have a ton


11:04

of clean headro and this amp is pretty


11:07

much original it has the original 8 in


11:09

Jensen in it which is pretty it's it's


11:11

pretty tired um but it's still you know


11:14

holding together and such but uh I've


11:17

tried to be a little bit gentle with the


11:19

amp which is why I didn't turn the amp


11:21

all the way up to 12 because I I really


11:24

don't want to be the guy that busts an


11:26

original 8 in uh Jensen o


11:30

speaker so interesting things happen


11:33

with the amp after this of course in 55


11:38

it uh later in 55 it changes to the the


11:41

narrow panel


11:43

Tweed and uh and also it uh it brings


11:48

forth a uh another amp so I'm going to


11:51

put down my old squar so I can pick this


11:54

up so Fender adds an amp to the lineup


11:58

in 55


11:59

5 um 56 which is this Harvard so this is


12:04

actually a 59 but um yeah so this amp


12:09

has uh you know two output tubes and


12:12

volume control tone control three uh


12:16

three inputs and an actual onoff switch


12:19

and it became part of the line up you


12:22

know right above the Princeton and the


12:24

Princeton actually gains the Harvard's


12:27

cabinet it gets a bigger cabinet in uh I


12:30

believe


12:31

56 and it continues to be you know a


12:34

Tweed amp single output tube volume and


12:37

tone control until uh 1960 correction


12:41

it's actually 1961 when it gets Brown


12:45

tox and then it completely


12:48

changes all of a sudden it gets of


12:51

course tolex Brown and it gets a volume


12:56

control which it already had a tone


12:57

control which it already had it gets an


12:59

actual onoff switch and it gets tremolo


13:03

and it gets a completely different


13:05

circuit and it gets a second output tube


13:08

and guess


13:10

what this Harvard disappears from the


13:13

lineup because the Princeton has


13:15

absolutely taken its place and so who


13:19

wins the university Wars well it's the


13:21

Princeton and Harvard you know goes away


13:25

there are of course a few Harvard that


13:28

are sold with with remaining Tweed


13:31

Princeton chassis and so that it's a


13:33

really rare amp I've only seen one of


13:35

them in person but in essence it's you


13:39

know the the Harvard cabinet with the


13:41

Harvard name plate but then it's got the


13:43

uh Princeton guts in it with one output


13:46

tube so it doesn't have you know it's


13:48

five six Watts instead of being


13:50

12 so then of course you know with the


13:53

blackface amps you get the blackface


13:55

Princeton and the Princeton reverb and


13:58

that gets us through uh


14:01

1965 an interesting thing about the


14:04

Princeton that you have to understand


14:06

especially when we're talking about prbs


14:09

Princeton's the Princeton was never


14:12

designed to be a gigging amp it was


14:15

always designed to be a student model or


14:18

a teaching model and that's why it had


14:22

two inputs and uh and you know the


14:25

deluxe was kind of the step up above


14:27

that but the prince and Reverb of course


14:30

was you know really nice and that it had


14:31

Reverb and tremolo and had all these


14:33

sounds but it was not considered in any


14:36

way shape or form a gigging amplifier it


14:40

only became a gigging amplifier when you


14:44

started turning them up to 10 which they


14:46

were never designed really to do that


14:49

you know Leo thought everyone wanted to


14:50

play clean and so he thought people were


14:52

going to run around 3 or five or


14:54

something like that and certainly didn't


14:56

want any type of overdrive going on but


14:59

as people started turning them up to 10


15:01

and getting them to


15:02

distort uh of course you know it was


15:05

able to get a little bit louder and


15:07

dirty and then once you have you know


15:09

the Advent of modern PA systems and you


15:12

know what we call sound reinforcement


15:14

which is where everything is miked up


15:17

and that comes about probably mid to


15:18

late 7s then all of a sudden the


15:21

Princeton was a viable gigging amplifier


15:23

and you could play a really big gig with


15:25

a Princeton or even a champ so it's


15:29

interesting how that amp you know went


15:31

from being really a beginner student


15:34

model to being now considered a gigging


15:37

amp and I use a Princeton type amp uh


15:40

all the time toh to gig with and uh I


15:44

love it so well I just uh enjoyed


15:48

getting to check this out so I need to


15:50

thank my buddy Austin also you know a


15:53

lot of the uh historical information uh


15:56

came from from this out of print book


15:59

that I love and I hope that how Leonard


16:00

will someday either allow it to be out


16:03

you know digitally or reprint or


16:06

something but it's Fender amps the first


16:07

50 years by John teagle and John sprung


16:11

this is a really great book and I again


16:14

hopefully someday they'll uh come come


16:17

back out with that all right well I hope


16:20

you've enjoyed today's episode uh again


16:23

thanks to Austin for letting me borrow


16:25

his wide panel 1954 Princeton it was a


16:28

lot of fun now I got to return it we'll


16:31

see you next time bye-bye

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