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This is definitely a different art of wrestling than Thanksgivings past. I am grateful and thankful for my guest today, Nila Rose. And congratulations to Nila Rose for appearing on the Full Gear pay per view this past week, and thanks for being awesome. Nyla is a new friend in my past wrestling life. We never crossed paths. She's a wonderful human and just a joy to share the locker room in the arena with. I know you'll enjoy our talk
as much as I enjoyed talking with her. And I did this podcast at AEW, a place where I've been contracted. I guess I would say off and on. I was not contracted for two days for the past almost three years, and a couple of weeks ago, I wrestled Chris Jericho, and I wanted to share the story of how I almost died wrestling Chris Jericho. Not a lot of people know this story. Some of the people who back know this story. The doctors know this story. I'm not telling this story
to make an excuse. Nobody would have even known. Everyone complimenting me on my match, and I'm appreciative for that, but this is just a fun story and in twenty years I will laugh about it. In the moment I did not laugh about it. I guess a couple of weeks afterwards I can laugh about it. Of course, in my laundry room is my wrestling gear. I'll wash my knee pads, I'll wash my singlet I don't dry them, though, just wash them, hang dry them. And of course I
wash my wrestling socks. Now. I'm sure those of you with a washer dryer in your home know about the case of the disappearing socks. Well, I don't know where my wrestling socks went. They went somewhere and with me. I like long black soccer socks, long wrestling socks, so there isn't a gap in between my boots and my kneepads. I don't want just like Hairy's skin, so I like the long soccer socks because it fills in that
space. So before I was going to wrestle Chris Jericho, I had to go out and buy a new pair of socks, and of course I procrastinated, so I waited till the night before I went over to Target. I asked where the soccer section was and I looked for the soccer socks. I went over there and they only had long black socks for the kids. So My next move was I guess going to the men's socks section, And as I make my way over there, I do see a pair of long socks.
Now, these socks are called compression socks, which I kind of know what they are, but not really. That's fine, just they'll fit and I'll wear them under my boots in my kneepads. So I do, and I wrestle against Chris Jericho. Now, of course that match there was many emotions. There was a lot of tension going into it. My anxiety was high, tensions were high, the building was hot. So as I go to wrestle Jericho, I put on my compression socks, my kneepads, and
my boots. And what I don't realize is that I have essentially just made a turn a kid for the bottom half of my body. Here you go. I'm gonna read this from the internet right now. What is the benefits of wearing compression stocks. Compression stockings are specifically designed to apply pressure to your lower legs, helping to maintain blood flow and reduce discomfort and swelling. They may be prescribed by your GP if you have a condition that causes poor blood
flow in your legs, well here's the thing. My blood flow is absolutely perfect. So essentially what I did was restrict everything. And I remember vividly thinking, man, I can't feel my legs. I guess it's just the nerves. But it was the nerves, It was the anxiety, but it was also the compression socks. And by the time I did that, moonsil to the outside and had to run myself into the ring to go give Chris
Jericho a flying asshole. I had absolutely nothing left in my body, and I just attributed that to the night of wrestling, but no, it was because I literally had cut off the supply of blood to my own legs, causing high blood pressure and low low oxygen. I knew I was on live TV. I knew it was in front of a giant crowd. I knew it was a big moment for me. So I figured a way to do it to Jericho, knowing the match would come to an end very quickly.
It did. I for some reason, could not move, and as I make my way back to the trainer's room asking for electrolytes, and the trainers being like, we're not sure what's going on, and me just saying I gotta get the stuff off of me. I feel so compacted, and I ripped my single it off and it still didn't feel like enough, and I couldn't breathe, and I felt lightheaded, and I had a headache and my head was pounding. And then I'm just like, can you take my boots
off? And I felt like such a schmuck asking a grown man to take my boots off, but the trainer was like, oh, of course, that's my job, and he rips my boots off, and then I'm I can't take my kneepads. I just feel so constricted, and he takes my knee pads off, and then I get my socks off, and I say, you know, I bought these compression socks last night. And then the
eyes of the trainers are just like what. As I was asked to lay back for the next two hours while ice was just put all over my body, I was educated as to why you should not professionally wrestle in front of ten thousand people and almost a million people at home in compression socks. Hopefully my wrong can help somebody in the future. And you are either a current or a future pro wrestler, and you needing socks. No just grab the
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comfortable clothes. That's legit. It is. It is a talking about a visual thing in a audio media. It's a tie dye Bucky's hoodie that I with terrycloth. It's kind of like wearing a giant towel. M. It's comfy and it's cozy. It's important to you to be comfortable or no, it is. I bought this specifically for like my road adventures, like as a piece of lounge where it I was gonna say it does not leave my travel case, but it does because I wash it because I'm not gross.
But then it goes right back in like this is the road. Do you have airport? Do you have hotel specific hotel? Do you have airplane specific? I do. I do have a very specific travel outfit, except for occasionally I can be a little ludicrous and now just I'll come up with the craziest shirts and either buy them, find them, or have my wife make them because she does herr own sewing thing or whatever, and um shout out
seems legit, mvuh. And I'll just convince her to make shirts and then I'll just wear them in the airport just to get people and see their reactions. Is that right? Yeah? I mean, I like, for all the trips of the overseas trips, I just have this like target shirt that I have that's basically like it's so comfortable. It's not even a shirt, like it's barely all right material, and it's just like, oh, this is the this is the fifteen hour T shirt that I wear. Yes,
it's so kind of the same print. So for short flights, like pretty much the week to week travel we do here at a W I'm like my leggings with the pocket. Gotta have a pocket in them, leggings with the pocket, some sort of shirt usually a like a racer back or you know, am one of my I've lost words here, a camisole of some sort tank top, something just comfortable. What did you call a canvas al cammisol? No clue, No, it's a fancy word for a tank top.
Essentially, it's a fancy thank top and then like a jacket that's like the same material as the leggings, all eth leisure wear. That's just my comfy, cozy ready for the plane, but for longer trips, a big T shirt and some sweatpants like super cozy, perfect perfect. I learned a tip
from Tony Hawk about traveling directly or from Yes I'm magazine. I directly read it from a magazine, Okay, but he said, anytime you're traveling, make sure you travel in clothes you don't mind wearing for three or four days in case they lose your luck. Itch, So I've kind of taken that to heart. Yes, I was talking. I was talking flight tips with Sattenham sing today. I want to know what his flight just and like telling me that like he's done many times international travel in coach. Oh right,
what is he like two fourteen? Like correct, which would be thirteen foot two? I think, yes, okay, yeah, I can't imagine that. That was an interesting conversation. Maybe for a later podcast. Yes, it's okay, that's for him and I just to just talk about traveling tech tips. Um, okay, so wrestling here we are well life. Where are you from? I'm from New York. Now, why does everybody think that I just assumed me? For everybody thinks I'm fro New York, and
I don't get it. I give off a New York vibe, my very very New York. Have you do you live? I don't even know where you live now in New York. No, No, I'm not even close, not even close, like five hours ago, North Carolina, where it's five hours south of New York Vermont, Washington, DC. What I don't know, I say northern and south. I know you said south. I just don't know my I just don't know my Okay, No, No, Well, in New York and Chicago, boys, and it is, it's
all the same. It's all the same. Um No, I'm from DC, from Washington, DC, proper. I was born in the city. I grew up on Mount Pleasant, which is like right in the heart at up fourteenth Street. If anybody knows, it's like a main artery. You seem like a real Bronx person. I don't know what that means. I'm like, it was a DC's like the Bronx of the South. I don't that's what they say. No, nobody says that, um, like, now I live in Alexandria, Virginia, what did you did you grow up?
Um? A political person? Not at all? Do you have to so you kind of have to be a little bit in this day and age just in general, but like, well if you're living indeed, I feel it's so you're so immersed with everybody there. Yeah, I don't know, I'm not. No. So yeah, as as like a young twentysomething person, it's a transplant city. There's lots of people coming in and like, oh, I work at this place and I'm a lobbyist for this thing. And it's like okay, I don't care. Yeah that's just me, Like
I I can turn off politics like what it like, what's important? Let me vote on those issues, like let me take a stand for this and that. But hey, it's time to relax, like shut up. I didn't know if I don't know, if it's just like overbearing being in DC proper or growing up there at least No, no, no, no, like it. So downtown in DC is like where a lot of like the government and like all the official buildings are. I grew up a little bit
more uptown where it's like the suburby kind of like hood area. Like I grew up in a not so good area. If I took you there, now you would see it. You would call me a liar to my face because it's been totally gentrified. But like when I was growing up, it was not a good area, okay, especially in the eighties and all the epidemic of druggies and everything. Parents, both parents, both parents? Do
I have both parents? Yes? And no? Um my parents never married, okay, but they were both always in my life, like they just marriage wasn't a thing for them. They just were they together. I mean at one point, like I'm here, I'm proof that they were. But no, they they never tied the knot. They just hey, this isn't for us, And like, kudos to them for like figuring that out early, because the divorces and crap can get messy. But did you grow up in the same house. No, not at all. No, I grew
up. I grew up with my mother. I grew up in a house my mom, my aunt, my grandma and as wild as this next sentence is my grandma's boyfriend. Yes, and you so you said not that good of an area. So I'm imagining maybe not that like in my head like oh, a giant full house house. It kind of was a full house house, but like one story. It was an apartment, an apartment right in the heart of DC on Mount Plea, the park roach you and grandma
and the boyfriend in one room. No, so grandma and the boyfriend had their room at the at the front. My mom kind of took over the living room and it was kind of like a living room bedroom situation. And then my aunt and myself had bunk beds in the very back room, which we call the junk room for some reason. It's just kind of like where all the spare stuff was. But it was like anything we needed to store. It wasn't a storage. You know, this sounds horrible. I'm doing
a terrible job of describing this. But it was a bedroom, but it's like, you know, that's where we kept our like hey, t put coats away for the winter, like stick him in the closet back here, or like all my play toys are back here, and and up until like teenage years, were in a bunk bed with your aunt. No, so we left DC. I want to say I was probably goodness, you're making me think like eight or nine. Okay, so you they made being nine years old in a bunk bed, Like, how old you think your aunt
was? Um? Just off the top of my head, I feel like I remember her in her thirties, thirties. I feel like I remember her being thirty six and like during this era, and I don't want am I allowed to ask how old you? How I am now? I am twenty five years old, so being close for like the thirteenth time. But I'm saying, you empathize now of just being like, whoa my aunt? Just imagine you right now? Oh yeah, bunk betting with a nine year old
right yeah. So I kind of sort of do that, like with my son because occasionally he'll like have bad dreams or whatever, or he like he just needs to be closed, so he has to call like a mommy night. So like we'll have like little slumber parties everywhere. But this is every single you can, don't. You don't have a social life as an aunt like her at the time at the time, not really like she had her friends from what I remember, Like she would go to work and come home
and you're not bringing any any friends home to the bunk bed. No, we were just we would just hang out. We were like a like a full house kind of like family unit kind of thing, like we we were the social We were our unit. And no brothers or sisters or through my dad, okay, through my dad's side. I have a sister who's older by one year, a brother who's younger by one year, and then my baby sister who's not a baby at all now because I just learned she's driving
and that's terrifying to me. But she's younger by like a significant amount of years. She's like what seventeen now. And then you would split time between dad and my or yeah, pretty much every every once in a while or like every whenever, Like it wasn't arranged. It was kind of like I want to see my dad, and like I would just go hang out at my dad's house and there was no you know, like a lot of split family homes are like you get the kids for two weeks and then now it
is my week, and now there was none of that. It was like I want to go be a dad. Like for the majority of the time I was with him, and your parents didn't hate each other enough, no cool whatever. Yeah, they just had a working situation. I don't know how they did it. I wish they would write a book because I see so many families that our split household, like the parents are just making it
harder on each other and the kids are suffering. And I looking back when it was like super blessed that my parents they got along and they just made it work. Like they marriage wasn't for them, love wasn't for them, but they had a love for each other and they did what they could for each other to make my life as easy and smooth as possible. And I'm like, kudos to you guys. Oh yeah, the podcasts are ad free over my Patreon. But right now I'm gonna take a quick break. We'll
be right back wrestling. Since since a kid, since a kid, I want to say four any I mean too, it's so weird, like and that's a question were always going to ask, like, and it's just but like you you always have that flashback of that memory of just being like, like, why do I remember Andrew the Giant getting his haircut at three years
ago? Yeah? So right, hey, I just I just remember once once it like really got hooked into me, like it was something I did with my grandmother Um as I've mentioned numerous times, and a lot of people may her boyfriend. No, he was a musician though, so he was like often like in his like world, like headphones on, on the keyboard whatever. Me and my grandma would just be like jamming out in the bed watching earthquake or like demolition or something, and she loved it or she loved
it. She would tell me the same story about her going down to the armory and watching hay Stacks Calhoun and uh, Coco beware. But my grandma, of course from the South, would like add unnecessary, Coco be wares, I can just and uh, yeah, that's amazing. And as she like, do you recall her like teaching you about wrestling or making you watch like do you think you've picked it up? Or she was just like sit
down and let's I'm gonna show you professional wrestling. No, it was it was more like, uh it was it was more like she was watching it. She was doing her thing, and I'm like, Grandma, what on earth are you watching? And she just was screwed over and let me PLoP kind of how I'm sitting on the edge of this bed. Like we would just sit there and his eyes glued. Do you remember her like every week wanting to watch wrestling? Yeah, like it was just it literally was something
we did. Like even even in her older older years or later years, she would rush us off the phone, like my mom would call her up, or like I would call her up. She would legitimately like, girl, I got to go my my wrestlings on, Like she would rush us off the phone. Do you want to talk to us? No more? We haven't heard from grandma all day? Is yeah, I was at the store. I'm shopping, like my wrest in my show was on. Get
me get off the phone. Now? Is she just watching? Like is she like a super She like all wrestling and it is like knows about everybody? Or is it was just like just wwf she she knows, she knows what she likes. Majority of that was WWFWW but like any wrestling that was on, she would take it in. Okay, she wouldn't necessarily know anybody. Yeah, but there's there was numerous times when I don't know, like two twelve in the morning whatever, she would call me like he why are
you up? First of all, she's like, who who is this on the TV? Who is this man? Fighting, like she just called some wrestling somewhere and just wanted to know who these people are. What did she specifically like just in like of wrestling. She would always be like, I love it when they do this, or I love this kind of matchup. You know I don't. I don't recall anything specifically. She loved She loved the uh the Muccio Man, the Mucco Man, so did I. She
loved him. She loved uh Hogan. Every everybody was Hogan. She loved Hogan, No Hulk, just Hogan, uh and and just any any of the names from the Golden era really um. And she hated Jake the name. Of course, she's no longer with us, no longer with h what two two years ago? Right right? So? I mean I was gonna ask she saw you wrestle. She has seen me wrestle. She knows I'm a wrestler. She worried about it all the time. She never wanted to
see me get hurt. Um. She came to see me at an indie show one time in Manassas and threatened to beat everybody up with her cane. Did she get to see the aw stuff? She didn't. That's when she started to get really ill um our first show in DC. That's that's a forever heartbreaking for me. Like we had plans like, hey, we're gonna bring grandma and she just was not doing well that day and it's like, maybe it's not a good idea from grandma. Did she watched it on TV?
Yeah? She like of the idea, like she knew what was going on or was it like kind of no, she didn't know what was going on, and she had loved it, and she she watched on TV and oh God, Like she would tell everybody in the building, my granddaughter is on TV. She loved being able to rub that in everybody's face, especially the building she was in. It was it wasn't a senior home, but
it was like a senior community in one apartment building. Um, so it was really cool because everybody was like independent on their own, but the whole building was nothing but senior So they kind of had that community with them. They didn't have to worry about like young people and the worst Yeah we are
they didn't have to worry about none of that. Twenty um. But yeah, she would go down and put it on the TV down in the study room and just love to rub it in everybody's face and then anyone else in the big family circle like wrestling. So my mom has started to get into it more over the years. She was never when you're a kid and you pick it up at four, yeah, well she was never into it. Then she would just you know, she would come and sit and watch it
with us, but like never cared. And then when I told her it was what I was going to do, she kind of rolled her eyes. But god, last mom supported, but she was like, oh God really, and then she would curse my groum out what have you started? What did you get her into? Um? When she would come and watch my matches on the indies, she would never watch them. It scared her too much. She would watch the show, could watch everything under the moon.
My match started, she would watch my entrance and then she would leave or turn around to say, let me know when it's over. You know, I guess I never even talked about this sudden on the show. But my grandma came to one of my early matches, and I remember her being like scared, yeah, and I I don't know, I guess until you just
said that, like, oh yeah, my grandma did that too. And then I'd probably like, oh, yeah, that makes sense, Like I never thought like yeah, of course, like we're getting whipped around, slamming around in my head, it's just like I'm doing my dream. It is the best. No, exactly, I remember. I distinctly remember my mom cussed me out. I invited her to a match in Maryland. I forget where it was in Maryland, but hey, I is a match local. Do you want to come see it? Whenever I forgot to tell her it
was a cage match, Mom was not happy about that. Yeah, I've gotten color in front of my mom. Yeah, I remember. It was very weird, and I don't know. There was just at a time in my career where I was just like so enthralled and like it was just like that is art. This is part of what we do, and like not like being like sorry, I'm mutilated myself. My mom's a little a little boy. But uh so you said I this is what I said, this is what I'm gonna do. Um, like what age did that come out?
At some point in college? And um, I could not. I think I was legitimately like twenty five. I think I think I was like a shoot twenty three twenty four around then, and well so then that's so then it's only two years ago. But back up before, so then you just through high school? Yeah, through through high school, I was like live in life. What were the plans going to be entertainment in some way, shape or form um. I wanted to I wanted to be a wrestler,
but I didn't know how to go about doing it. But it wasn't really the drive like acting kind of was. And it was like, Okay, like I know how to do this, Like I'm in place in you know, I'm going to like casting calls, I've I've got headshots, I'm going to auditions, like I know how to do acting like I've got I've got connections at agencies and stuff. So we'll pursue that. So that that's what it was. Was like at some point, some kind of way,
I need to cross over. I need to wrestle somehow. I just didn't know how to go about doing and then found a wrestling school in my Nassas, Virginia, which is about forty minutes. Well, did you go to college for acting? I didn't go to college for acting. I went to college for I just got like a was like associate's degree, like the general like something I could kind of apply anywhere and make the degree something that I could do anywhere in the world while I pursue acting. Okay, yeah,
like what liberal arts, that's what it is. Yeah. I was like, wi the hell is the name of that? Yeah? I mean I remember, I just wanted whatever, and I was just like business. Yeah, like I didn't care what it was. I just like, I'm just supposed to get a degree. Yeah, I'm supposed to get a degree. I'm gonna go to college, so people who know that I'm smart, but like, I want to get one that I can apply in any way, shape or form to life and just get a job anywhere if I need to
move to Florida or California wherever acting is going to take me. I just need my degree to be malleable and good work. Thank you. Yes, Hey, the podcasts are ad free you over on my Patreon. But right now, we'll take a quick break and we'll be right back. So that that was my plan, okay, And then my best friend at the time was like, Hey, there's a wrestling school down here in Manassas. Do you want to go check it out? And we did we went to Kaider
Pro Wrestling. Now your best friend? Who was this person at the time? Were they just a friend from like schools, childhood life, a school childhood life friend that we grew closer together through through wrestling. That's what I was gonna say, Like, did they know you liked wrestling or they also liked that they also liked wrestling. I walked into so coming from DC school, very different experience than like a Virginia school and public school, and very
very different experience. And this was my first time going to this kind of school and like being on my own in the school world. My mom, my whole that side of the family worked in education. My grandmother and my mother both worked in education. So my mom would walk me to school because she also worked there. You know. So it's kind of even though I was like on my own in school, I still felt tethered, like I still had them. Well, now at this point in life, my mother's
going off to work at her school. I get on the school bus or you know, even at this point I'm walking to school, but I'm on my own. So I walk into our TA class teacher advisor, free free period, planning period by a lot of different names, but we called it TA Walk into TA Class. I have on an Undertaker shirt. I look across the room. This kid has on a Shawn Michael's shirt and he's reading WWF magazine. I was like, that's my people's And that's how we got
close. That's how we knew each other in seventh grade, and just through wrestling, our friendship bloomed and grew. So then years later they're like, I got a school. Yeah, are we going to do this dream that we were that we both wanted to do. That's what it was. He called me. He was so over the moon excited. He was so a little bit of a funny story about that. He's he's like, let's do it, let's do it, let's check it out. I'm like, oh great, you know I'm off work, you know whatever. Date is like,
let's do it and away work. I think this is when I was working at the photo lab and uh. He ends up going by himself. He's so excited because for him, it was only about twenty minutes away from his house. Yeah, super close. For me is like a whole forty five minutes. Anybody who lives in the DMV knows the traffic on sixty six out of minassas. Could have been forty five minutes, could have been an hour and a half. Um. So he goes out there, he checks
it out or whatever. Are the guy who runs a place, Jimmy Z. He's like, hey, let's rib Nyla and calls me and is like, oh, you know, your friend came down. He checked out the school, tried some stuff in the ring. He's heard, needs to give me a call back at the hospital, whatever, whatever. I don't call back because I'm busy playing guitar hero trying to get a perfect score playing thunder Horse on expert mode. I don't call back for like another four hours because
you didn't see the call. I didn't see the call. So was he rode in on the game? Did not see the call? Oh my god? Right, they has an actual guitar. I'm going to town. I finally called back, like, oh my god, Jim, what's going on? Like you called me? Jim had no recollection because it had been like four hours. Oh man, so did he signed up before you? He did, he did, but like a couple of them, he could not wait weeks. That's so funny. It's only a few days. I was
like, I would do the same thing. Yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't be mad. I couldn't fall to like. I was like, dude, it's like right there, I get it. Yeah, so you jumped so, but then you jumped in. I jumped in. Um. When I did have off of work, I drove down to Manassas, I went to the school it was and you were willing to put the guitar down for a limitte. I had given up on that dream of getting expert mode is really hard. I'm going to use the dexterity of my fingers into Roman knuckle
loucks. I get I got close. I got close. I settled for like a good scoring hard nice. Um. Okay, So you started training with Jimmy Z training when Jimmy's the kind of prom A couple of names, John Kerman. Eventually Christian York came through and I was teaching at the school and yeah, yeah, I feel I have that T shirt. I don't know why. Was it a Ying Yang maybe kay something like that. I think there. I think that might have been an early one. Yeah,
before I got there, maybe before. Yeah, I think I have that shirt. I don't know why. I've collect I don't think I'm wrestling for them, but I've collected wrestling shirts. Loki not surprised, Yes, right right, I don't even know, especially in my twenties one. I mean, I'll take anything for free now, but imagine when I was poor, right, So, um, okay, so just start training in a couple of days a week, whatever you start. So at the time, Jim
was like really he was. He was really cool. He was really accommodating because at the time my schedule was crazy and training. I want to say, if I remember like choosing and Thursday for some reason, um, because he had just reopened Kainda. It had been shut down for a little bit and moved around. Uh so this was like a resurgence and you know, new class of trainees and everything. So it was like a very small class. But he totally made arrangements for me to come in on Saturdays early morning
to train and and so that's what I did. I got up like four in the morning on Saturdays. Drove my little geoism because the P and the R fell off the bag as drove my geo prism. Geo metro guy. It wasn't a geo etro. It was okay, lucky you, lucky you. I don't want to so I shove my little, my little black rusty geo prism out to my nassas. Um. Got got there what like six seven in the morning, tired as hell, just getting my ass beat for a few weeks. And then what and working in a lab but trying to
be an actor? Yeah, yeah, yeah, trying to trying to do the acting thing, working at a photo lab, um, and trying to go to school all at the same time, and wrestling and regular yeah yeah, so you were busy. It was. It was pretty stupid, but worth it, um. And then I mean, I think my knowledge is like I think that the whole arc of the story is, like Kenny befriend maybe befriended you in Japan. Would that be the best? No, I wouldn't even say that. We I didn't even really like get to know Kenny
or meet Kenny till here in the States. Okay, Um, but I guess he had seen some of my work or like through the small close knit circuits I got, I got put on his radar. Yeah, um in Japan. So like, what's the process of being in a nassas at this uh school with Christian New York teaching you a couple of days a week while selling shirts out of the back of the trunk, which I think is the thing. He told me he's the car and he like me too. He's like, I got this new scam, Like I'll go to the bars and
I'll make these funny T shirts and I'll self content. I was like, you're the best question. Bless your heart. You sure you don't want to do it? I was like, I think I'm in a point where I don't need to do that. But four years ago I definitely would have been there with yeah, um, in order to get I guess from there to Japan, right, Yeah, So a few few bumps along the way, I guess you could say, um, But eventually I ended up going to
Canada to work on a television show. Um and immediately coming back from Canada. While I was in Canada's rewind a little bit. While I was in Canada, Nagas, a legendary Japanese wrestler, had some tryouts here in America. My friend were named Michelle went to one of those. She got selected. She went over to Japan, had a blast in Connections whatever, whatever,
whatever. So when I get back from Canada, this between her going and this happening had been maybe six months give or take a terrible at time. But like right when I get back, maybe a week later, Renee is like, hey, Nagaya Soun's back in America. She's having another round of tryouts. I know you couldn't make the first one because you were in
Canada. You need to be at this one. I don't know. Like so by this point, I'm managing a gym or assistant managing a gym, and I'm like, I don't know, Like I just got back from Canada, Like, but your assistant managing a gym. But I mean the way you say it, like I got in this gig in Canada, I got a a reoccurring show or what is Like it sounds like you're in the bids, still still trying to break through in the biz. So podcasts are ad free over on my Patreon. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right
back. My boss at the time, super amazing guy, Hey, I got this opportunity in Canada, Like what should I do? He's like, we can't hold a position, you know whatever whatever whatever. So I was like, Okay, this is my two weeks. So I for all intensive versus quit my job, go to Canada shoot the thing. I'm living in Canada for two months, the switch, the Switch. We shot the switch in Canada. That's a whole other story. Let me wrap this story and
then we'll circle back. We'll go Score says on this. So I go to Canada for two months, I work on the Switch. Um, when I get back to the States, I need a job again. So I call him up. I'm like, hey, you know, you got any openings whatever. It's like, yeah, you know, still got an opening here. Uh, we'll bring you back on board and just work you back in whatever. Whatever. So I'm jump back on the schedule like I already knew the job or knew the routine, so it's easy to get right back
to it. Um. So Renee is like, hey, you need to come to try. I'm like, Renee, like I'm back from Canada like maybe a week, two, you know, two weeks at the most, Like it's a very small way. And I'm like just got back, just got back to work, Like I can't take any more time off, Like I don't know how I'm gonna get all the way to New York whatever. Whatever. She's like, Okay, I understand, I understand. I guess she talked in a Guyle's son and Guess and the guys and really wanted to
meet me. So she's like, Nyla, you need to be at this tryout cool. I'm reading in between the lines of what you're saying. I will figure this out. So immediately after work, I shut down the gym, jump in the car, drive straight up to New York, and me and Maria Mannick tried out. Poor girl hurt her she like broke her ankle in a freak accident. She was in her match. As in mind, poor girl hurt herself. But we drove what we did that that's a whole
other story. And I guess I wanted a guy son over. She liked what I brought to the table wrestling wise, and offered me a position to come train and work for her in Japan. It's the wrestling business. I don't believe anything until I'm in the ring. So I'm like, okay, that's cool. Whatever. You know. She's saying her goodbyes and everything, and she comes up to me. She's like, hey, we're doing a show here over the weekend. I'd like for you to be on the show.
I go, okay, so go make arrangements, get a hotel room. Maybe maybe there's something to this, maybe this is like legit a show up. Sure enough, I have a spot on her card at the show and we wrestle, and before the show was over, she's like, I want to bring you to Japan. What was the show? It was Marvelous, like Marvelous X America. Like it just kind of like a crossover. Marvelous was Nicaiosun's new brand because she worked for what all Japan Women's Wrestling and
then Gaya Japan. So Marvelous was like her new venture where it's like just her on her own, running her own company, and so it's like, you know how they used like an X for like a crossover in media. Sometimes it was as a Marvelous x USA and it was just like a big show showcasing all of the Japanese talent. We're in New York, in New York City, yep. And I don't remember where, but it was in New York. There was Takumi a Rohau, Mio, Momono mio. Um.
What year do you remember? Is twenty fifteen, maybe maybe even twenty fourteen, okay, and a lot of people. It was a lot of people there. Um, Leo Rush was on the show. I want to say, Cheeseburger was on the show. It wasn't just all female, no, no, no. It was a good mix of people. It was a good mix of people. And it was just a showcase the Japanese talent the American talent. And halfway through the things, I want to bring you to Japan, you know, and I was like, oh my god,
that's amazing. Thank you. Um again, thinking okay, well we'll see, like when when when do I get those effort opportunity? When when do I ever get those opportunities? That's not something that happens to Nila Rose, like whatever, I don't know, maybe like three four weeks later, I actually get a message from someone in Japan. Hey, you know, I'm working with the guy's son. I'm the interpreter. This is what we need
to do. I want to get you over here. I'm like, oh my god, this is like legit, Like I'm actually gonna go to Japan. I fill out all the paperwork, I go get the stamps. Next thing, you know, I'm want to plane in Japan for five months, five months, five months, I jumped in, let's do it. Do you quit the everything? I quit the everything? Yeah, and did you have stuff back here in America because I know you aside from family, so I didn't have a kid at that point, not the first two years.
But yeah, I quit the everything and jumped all in go into Japan, as they say, made a name for myself there, I guess, and just working alongside the girls and really immersing myself in the family style of training at the dojo, and a lot of times, a lot of a lot of people make the mistake of like going over there and being isolated and doing their thing, And I'm like, no, if they're awesome enough to bring me into their lives, into their house, like I want to work with
them. I want to like get to know them, Like these are gonna be my friends, my co workers, this is my they are my life.
Yeah, give me an example of people going over and isolating. I mean, I'm not looking for news, but I guess I'm kind of being like, what do you mean, like just sitting in their room all day or yeah, like sitting their room all day, or like not training with the girls or like you know, just like I don't even know, like yeah, I've seen it and I've heard it, heard of it, and it's just kind of like no, like I'm going to interact with the girls,
like where y'all going. Y'all go into the movies like let me go too, and they would laugh. They'd be like, nil, You're not gonna understand anything, and I'm like, let's do this. So like all right, we went to the movies. I saw a fantastic movie. I had no idea what was going on, but I could follow along because I don't know. Just for me, it's like translating not so much what is being said, but the situation, like reading body language, like learning people.
And they quickly were like, no, Nila is one of us, like she's got a Japanese heart, like and so what was the schedule? Just shows in training and pretty much shows in training. There was definitely some off time and me and just giving it my all and giving them all of me. I earned their respect and like I earned my place and then I
didn't like have to do training with them. I still did, and I still want it to, but a lot of times to be like okay, cool, you know, well, I'm gonna go for my hikes and my runs and explore Japan, and they they because to them, a lot of the girls were the co hide like the young girls, like you know, they were coming onto things like knowing that I had been doing this for a while, they kind of gave me the respect of someone who had been in
the business for a while and doing everything, and I could kind of make my own ruds. I was kind of like the guy jen Ace if you will, in the dojo. Yeah, because I was going to ask if you, like, looking back to you, like pre going to Japan, did you think like, oh, I'm I know what I'm doing. I absolutely did not know what I was doing the first few times, but when I went back the second time, I definitely knew what I was doing.
I almost been like before even going to Japan, like before the invite, like that part of your career, were you like, I'm pretty confident. I'm still not confident in what I do? Are you kidding me? But like, uh, I don't know. Them believing in me helped me believe
in me is cheesy as that sounds, but it really did. It's kind of like maybe I'm not a failure at this Like maybe you know, it sucks that it took me coming literally on the other side of the world to have that confidence to know that I'm on the right track, because back home, I'm not getting that same respect, Like I'm just not getting the same opportunities, the same respect for what I'm doing. But coming here to Japan, people are like appreciating what I do. They see what I do,
they see the hard work that I'm putting in. Yeah, did you. I mean, I don't know if you like my track or you know, like I feel, I did every independent wrestling show ever and I'm sure I don't know if you've heard this a lot, but like you know, I no offense, but you know, I wasn't aware really of you before none taken. I don't blame you because like trying to scratch through and get to like the bigger name promotions, I was like, and this is just the
reality of it is and some heavy stuff. But I'm like, I don't know if this is like a girl thing, if it's a black thing, if it's a trans thing, but it's definitely a thing because I'm seeing people come into this business three months in and they're having title main event matches on this show. But I've been doing this for six years and like you can't even let me, you know, jerk the curtain, Like come on, like just give me an opportunity, right? Which knocked your confidence? Is
that right? I guess absolutely? It is kind of like what am I doing? Like where am I going wrong? What's what's the issue? Like, what's the issue? Like just be real with me. Hey, the podcasts are AD free you over my Patreon. So right now, I'll take a quick break and we'll be right back. So you didn't a bunch of trips to Japan? Yeah, Like I basically lived in Japan off and on for about six years. That's crazy. Yeah, I don't think I knew, Like I don't. I guess I just didn't know the extent of I
don't know. I know, like all I know is like I think Kenny found you or whatever, so completely unheard of. In my first year in Japan, Makosido Mora reached out and the guys and I was like, I want Nilo on my shows, and like had me at Sindai Girls. She had me on her shows. Um. One thing I absolutely love about how it just works over there is how they work together all the promotions understand, like yeah, like this is you know, this is my show, is
my promotion I'm running right now. But I'll work with you, you know, we'll share talent, you know, and they work together. Like everybody has their own thing that they do, but they'll often work together. And you'll see some of the talent going between shows here in Americas, like everybody is like, no, my talent, like you work for me, you can't work for this. That's gonna say petty, Like it seems less petty over there. I don't know if that's the correct term. Yeah, I
mean, and it's it's wrestling. It's it's all the same but completely different. So I'm sure there is some of that, but it's just handled in such a different and and do you think that's culture? I do, Okay, I think I think a big part of that is culture. And just like yeah, I don't know what else to say about it. I think a big part of that maybe is the culture. Yeah, um, now
correct me if I'm wrong. I think if if my correct information, I think did you transition as like as a wrestler or in your wrestling career? Yes, as an as an active wrestler, or I guess technically not an active wrestler. I took some time off to kind of like sort things out, like, you know, what do I want to do with college, what I'm doing with myself? Like just where is life going? Um So wrestling stopped, the acting is like everything just kind of took a back seat.
I sorted myself out. I realized some truths about myself, and it was like, I gotta do this for myself, for my own mental stability, for my life, quite literally, and we'll see where things go. You know. It's like maybe there's nothing out there for me. Maybe there is. I don't know. But one day, as it were, I jumped on the Google machine and I'm like looking up you know, LGBT wrestlers,
specifically trans wrestlers, and just kind of seeing what's out there. And the only two people that ever came up in results were Mariah Mareno in California and then Jessica Love, who is in Europe somewhere. I want to say Germany, but I could be completely wrong. Jessica, if you're listening,
please don't beat me up or do let's have a match. But like I saw their names, and I was like, Okay, so there's at least two people out there who are going through what I'm going through, who are who have a place, And it's like, I never thought I would be at the level that I'm at. I thought the Indies was gonna be it for me, and I reserved myself to being okay with that. But I
did not reserve myself to being on the bottom barrel of the Indies. I'm like, if, if, if the Indies is where I have to be, that's cool. I like the Indies, like there's a lot to love about it, but damn it, I want to do some great shows. I want to do some great things while I'm here. So that's kind of
what I was fighting for. Anything beyond that absolutely a bonus. But just seeing that those two names is two people existing and wrestling consistently for you know, a few years for them at the time, showed me that I could have a place. Did you ever reach out to them? I did,
and me and Mariah are are good friends. I was curious of, like I guess, like I would want to say, like the like research of like what are the question what are the questions in my head that like are people accepting or is this a thing or I don't you know, it's funny, like I don't I don't think I cared about any of that. I don't think I asked her any questions in that regard to just like seeing her
thriving and happy was all the validation I needed. Um, And I don't even remember how we hooked up or like linked up or whatever, but we just like we connected and we just started talking and it was very natural and flowing. And she's someone I call a really good friend now. Um, Jessica Love. On the other hand, I've interact with her a few times, but like definitely not the same bond that her and Mariah or Maria and myself share. Uh. And so now, like the community I think is
I think is growing. I'm not going to speak to her. You know, that's not my place, Like, I mean, I just see a lot of these shows, and I don't see a lot of people more comfortable coming into the community. I know, I don't know, but you know it's probably got so such a ways to go. Oh yeah right, yeah, you know, like you're you're your observation is pretty spot on. Ye, yes, we have come leaps and bounds from where we were even like
four or five years ago. But we still have so much further to go, for sure, And so are people reaching out to you, like I
guess I want to know, like how much? Because here we are not in an aw bubble or whatever, but you're you're in a nice spot and a big giant company and like the two that you you know, they were doing on the indie scene, but you're here in this I don't want to even want to say a safe bubble, you know, like I assume it's a say a little but I'm not in your I don't know what you're you
know, maybe I'm just something I don't know whatever. Um so you're I mean, you're not in these little shows that some of the performers would be in. So I don't know if you are like someone that they want to ask or reach or inform about like even or if you feel like it's even a place that you're even to like say anything. So it's it's kind of funny because like just what people's expectations are like there their perception of reality.
Like I've I've had people people still definitely reach out to me, you know, but I've also had things are like, oh, what we would love to have knowledge, I would We know she's expensive, and I'm like, you've never even reached out to me, Like you're just you're just assuming at this point, like where they just they just assume the wildest things purely because
they see me on TV or like have an action figure. It's like they just think I'm unreachable now, which is like flattering because it's kind of like the reverse of where we were before all this started. Um, but there there definitely is one company who just I don't I don't get it. Like I've I've gone to their shows and like I've paid my dues with them.
I've set up the ring, I've set up the chairs, I've helped tear down not even on the show, obviously I'm trying to get booked, but doing my part, you know, And I've done this at numerous places because it's just it's just what you do, not current time, this is, this was before, but this was before. But but I still fucking would. I still would just because that's who I am, and that's just a
respect I have for the business. You know, if my friend is on a show and I show up. You need a few extra hands to pick up some chairs. I'm going to pick up a few extra chairs and I've done this since I'm not in the posts. Yeah, okay with you there, screw the posts, but like no, I'll pick up some chairs and you know whatever and help tidy up. You know, many hands make light
work, especially if you know my friend is on this show. There's one company in particular, I could never figure out why they wouldn't book me, And it's like it kind of hurts a little bit, like flat out like hey, what's the deal and then give you the runaround? So not that I needed at this point, but like, I just want them to reach out. Just I'm gonna be like nah, well because I'm petty. Oh,
it drives me to be great. I'm determined to be absolutely great just so they can be like, hey, we have a huge show and I can be like nah, but I guess, my, my, we're wondering what that was the I guess the trans wrestlers or the community individually, just like face, I don't know, do you are you getting a lot of Facebook messages? It's like you know what I'm saying. I'm just like hey, like I'm in this position and I didn't know who to reach out to.
You're a star on television, so yes, and in that regard, yes, and that that is a wild place for me to be because I'm terrible at advice, Like I probably have the worst outlook on everything. I'm like real to the point of just being like a fault like kind of harsh, Like I know you want some uplifting, upbeat message, but like I'm just gonna give you the gods on its truth. Yeah. Yeah, So don't come to me for advice unless you want cold, hard facts. Right.
But but I but I am happy to give back and help because you know, nobody, aside from Mariah and Jessica, like nobody really was out there when I needed them. So to be that for somebody else is a blessing. Yeah. I mean it's just like it's not even a small it's like two people. So what Wow. Podcasts are add free over my Patreon. I'm gonna take one more break and then we'll finish off the podcast. Did you just like get a random call like, Hey, we're starting this
wrestling promotion. It's going to be on television. Got a random dm D, Got a random DM from Kenny. I've told this. I thought it was a joke. I thought it was somebody ribbing me because I like was just talking about Kenny Omega like in some way, shape or form, and I thought somebody's ribbing me. Um and which is a running theme in my life. Same thing happened with Rude Boy and ICP. That's a different story for a different time. Have you still not done? No, I've done
the gathering. But just like when I when I met Rude Boy, like I thought it was somebody messing with me, and I'm like, send me a picture of you on the couch right now. And then like he's like, okay, weirdo, and I'm like, I'm sorry, mister rude Boy. I apologize like a lot of a lot of scammers out there, you understand. And now we and Rudy a great friend. But um, but yeah, it's kind of the same thing. Kenny's like, hey, we're
starting this thing. I don't know if you've heard. We're like we're starting this thing. And I'm like, yeah, whatever, Ken, if and you know, then I'm like going and looking like wait, this is a verified account, Like oh my god, I'm so glad. I didn't cuss this person. And when you got that, were you in Japan or were you in a b had just gotten back to the States, and I did not know what I was going to do with my life. Wow. Wow, I was gonna say. It's like I don't even like, I don't
know if you had a home wrestling promotion did you even have that? I did not have a home wrestling promotion anymore. I had gotten muscled out of my shoot job as a caretaker, so I had nothing. What a great story. I literally had nothing. I want to say, I had maybe three hundred dollars in the bank. I mean I usually just like my Mitto kind of is like that always just works itself out. Yeah, the same. Yeah, Like I just said, don't worry about it too much.
I don't know that's what's gonna happen. I don't I don't know. I think it's just definitely I don't know that it's privileged, probably be partly partly privileged, but it's also kind of like just a person to person thing because I'm very much the same way like people are, like, what are you gonna do? I don't know, like go do a job somewhere whatever, beyond their job at the laundry Matt or yeah, so so like was it like listen, I know it's not about money, obviously, it's like the
greatest thing ever to be able to offer something too. But it's just like I have three hundred dollars, like like, yeah, like when does this check? We got weekly checks or that. It's like a race to see
when this when this thing comes through. Kind of like you said, it's it's it is absolutely not about the money, but damn isn't nice, especially when you have three hundred dollars in the bank, You've got bills do and you don't know where that next check is coming from for shore and then on top of it, you're getting a check for doing something you absolutely love. Uh. And then it's you, your your kid, your public about this stuff. Yes yeah, and your wife yes. And she's making gear yes.
I feel like I know she wasn't at the time. Okay, I feel you're like plugging this, but I do we do all us have gear by her. I think a lot of people have pieces here and there, but like I also kind of feel like and this this is the perception and expectations like people people think maybe she's like exclusive to me. No, like hit her up for gear seems legit, Like buy her stuff like make her dreams seems legit DMV dot Com Twitter. I don't know that seems legit as
e m as it's a pun. Yes, is that right? Seems se a m that's right? Um yeah No. At the time, she wasn't doing gear, but she had been. She's a seamstress by trade, like she's been doing it for like thirty years. Uh. And I said, hey, uh, gonna be on TV, needs some new gear that doesn't look like ass. Yeah, can you help me out? So we work shopped a few things, and um, the first the first couple of gears
went in the trash. She hated. She hated him so much. But like the first one that actually was like, okay, this could be something was actually like a fluke. It was for what was the thing, fighter Fest? It was the b orchid green fac simile that we did there for that one for the Fighter Fat Yes, yeah, b orchids from Killer Instinct. I was like, because my nerdy ass was like, oh, we're doing a Fighter Fest videogram, so I'm gonna do Killer Instinct. Okay.
I didn't know any of those references. But now I'm like, oh, I guess that's a thing. So if I knew that thing, I would have known that you nodded. You made me feel good. That's my job as a podcast. So that was the first and that she made. It got great reviews, and I gave her some feedback, and she just kind of took what she knew from costuming and making clothes and applied it to sewing. And I keep having to teach her how to work on the fly.
I'm like, think outside the box, Like you're you're not making trousers for like a business meeting, You're making love. Yeah, like you're making stretchy fight clothes, Like get crazy with it. So you can actually, if you pay a lot of attention, you can see the evolution in her style and and everything from the Gears the first few sets to like where I met now And she'll do anyone else's too, She'll do anybody else. Do people on the roster she do we love to promote. Yeah, I genuinely don't
know who she's done on the roster um. I know she's done some of our local talent. She's done some stuff for people in other companies as well. Great, and then I mean, I guess it's just here. You're on here, we are in aw and Vicky I had Vicky on Yeah, great, great team. I love her, right, how can you not? I love her so much. I did not realize how much alike we were. Yeah. Yeah, she's fun. Yeah, you guys are both fun. Thank you? And yeah, I guess we hope that this just
goes on forever, forever, forever. We do we do because we love it, right. Fun, that's all I got. I appreciate you hanging out with no thank you, this is this is fun. It was really fun. Thank you. Okay. Bye. Nila Rose can be hell lariously followed on Twitter from the time being and Instagram at Nila rose Beast. Also go get yourself some wrestling gear at seems legit DMV on Twitter and at seems Underscore Legit Underscore Sewing on Instagram seems as spelled seams. Please go back to
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