Hey, everybody, Welcome to a live podcast that was done at the Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame weekend in Waterloo, Iowa. A couple of notes on all of the guests. The first guest is be Brian Blair from the Killer Bees. He needs no explanation. Next was going to be both Wes and Jerry Briscoe, but sadly Jerry had COVID and was unable to come to the weekend and the festivities. James Beard is a longtime referee from World Class, amongst other stints. Our last guest was Rock Riddle, who was literally a
monster of a guest in the best possible way. Rock was kind of a journeyman who started doing acting in la and is just a straight up gimmick maybe Luke Gallows in thirty five years. So Rock went off on such a tangent about who knows what that. I did do some editing on this episode for
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over there. We do have some fun guests set for tonight. Slash today it is three to thirty in the afternoon, but I did want to chat with you everybody for a little bit. It's great to have a crowd here. By a run of applause. How many of you have been here to the weekend of the National Wrestling Hall of Fame? All right? And who's
a first dye? All right? Great to have you here. One of the exciting things about this is not only the Hall of Fame itself, the inductees and the whole ceremony, not only the actual wrestling show that's put on or the podcast that colts doing here, but is the actual museum itself, which is one of the most fun things to see. Is to see amateur wrestling, but also see the past of professional wrestling. And every year I
go there and every year. I have questions, and I'm gonna propose to you all of the unanswered questions that I have from roaming around the actual museum again by another rum flow who checked out the museum this weekend. Okay, so I checked it out a little bit before I came here, and these were some of my questions. I'm not maybe some of you all had the same questions, and you can either find me afterwards and give me the answer, or we can wonder about it together. So my first question was I
saw a Thunderbolt Patterson who is here this weekend. He had donated a pair of boots, pair of trunks, and then I don't know if anybody saw that airbrush T shirt that he had in there, And my question is, like what flea market did he buy that airbrushing at? I mean, that was straight from the mall or the flea market. Stuff we don't think about.
We see him on TV and it looks cool, but the reality is is like our grandma has the same one and someone's doing that air brushing and they don't even know it's for Thunderbolt and he's like, can you put Thunderbolt and like cool airbrush on this T shirt? And someone was just like, yeah, of course, anything for ten bucks. And next thing you know, now it's in a Hall of Fame. So I'm just a big fan of air brushing. The next one was Jesse the Body Ventura. Well,
I'll stop myself, Jesse the governor Ventura. Did you see that? That's the political sign that he had, which I think is an maybe there maybe a new addition this year which was so cool. It was Jesse for a governor and it doesn't even it just says Jesse, and I love that. Everybody in Minnesota knows exactly who that is. But what I don't think anyone ever talks about was it was Jesse venture and May Skunk was his running partner. And so obviously my question is who the fuck is May Skunk? Does
she believe in aliens like Jesse does? And did she run on the same ticket. These are questions I had, they were unanswered. I just would you know, I want to I want to know who this lady is. It's it's pretty impressive. Actually I did have a question answered. The Lufez ring robe is in the National Wrestling Hall of Fame Museum, and that's such an iconic ring robe. It's so cool. I think about pictures of him wrestling in Japan with Carl Gotch, like tagged with Gotch and just just legendary
NWA matches. And I wanted to know if there was anything in his front pocket because I'm nosy, and it wasn't behind a shield. And the answer is no, there's nothing in his front pocket. So the fourth question I had a lot of you saw mister perfect singlet there the iconic baby blue with the black triangle on the front. My question forever has been And then I tried to find out the answer there and I wasn't able to find it was
is there like a thinner piece of fabric around his crotch? Because as a kid, I could always just see his penis poking through and I couldn't get to it. I wanted to know it was always him and Jimmy Snuko or always had a little turtle head pointing at me as a child. It was very weird. It wasn't there. No one answered the question, so please,
if you know, let me know. And last, but not least, I would like to know how many ladies from Flirt Gentlemen's Club have made their way over to the National Wrestling All of Fame for those of you who not here. Every year we all pull up to the National Wrestling Hall of Fame, and right next to it is a Gentleman's Club, which has been there for a long long time. I am honestly intrigued because I know the conversations in a wrestling locker room, Like, what are the conversations in the
Gentleman's club locker room for the ladies? Do they talk about wrestling? Do they know anything about wrestler? Like what if there's one that's like so into amateur wrestling and I can't believe Dan Gable is over there signing autographs and she can't wait to get off the stage and go. These are just my questions. They really fill up my mind, but they're unanswered. I appreciate you maybe if you have him later, and I appreciate everybody. My first guest,
please welcome to the show. Beat Brian Blair. So entertaining, brother, you are entertaining. Well, that's you've got an inquisitive mind. Does he not have an equisitive mind? Come on, audience, give in my hand. Could combat the man? These were all questions we were all asking ourselves. I just have the heart to put it out there and wonder. It's beautiful, great to have you on here things so much. You've been involved, You've been involved, and maybe we could talk about this right away.
You've been involved in stuff, I mean as long I feel, as long as I've been coming here, you've been coming here. Also such you play such a part in the Cauliflower Alley Club. Is it important to you or where does your important lie to? Kind of I guess we would call this kind of like making sure the history is still alive and making sure that I guess the brother and sisterhood is still there. Does that play importance to you? And is that stuff you thought about as a younger wrestler looking at
the older wrestlers when you were in the ring. Let me start with the last part first. I always had respect Buddy Colt and Eddie Graham and Jack Briscoe. They taught me that you have respect for everybody. Yes, sir, No, sir. When you had to pay trans, you don't. They don't ask you for your trans. We used to have to pay five cents a mile trans. You know we'd get in a car. You drive four hundred miles, you pay forty bucks and can I stop you there?
Who's who's doing the math? Being like Brian, you owe this or no, you would? You would automatically know if you went from Tampa to Jacksonville that that was two hundred miles each way. We had established miles. If you went to Tallahassee that was three seventy five, So that was heavy trans Sometimes I don't have a calculator with me, but if you're only making seventy five dollars or one hundred dollars, I don't think Eddie ever paid anybody less
than a hundred bucks. But there there were guys before me that went there for a lot less, and of course we made a lot more respect. And the Cauliflower Alley Club ties into the National Wrestling Hall of Fame because we help people that have the Calieflower Alley Club helps people from the wrestling industry. I don't care if you were an announcer, if whatever you did, as long as you made a living in the pro wrestling industry and contributed full time,
then we reach out and we help these people. We've saved people's houses, we've kept them from having leans on their lives basically, and it's been a great thing. But through all this you learn that if we don't preserve all these things and these people that have you know, the mister wonderful Paul warrendorfs. You know, we were just talking about you know, at least Thunderbolts still with us, but we were talking about Kurt Henning. These people
contributed so much to where we're at right now. We're all we're all together, and we want to preserve all this history. And that's really why why I'm here, why we support this as a whole, as a as one five h one c three to another. We just want to make sure that we're successful together because we're like brother and sister organizations, if you will, Okay, so I'm going to touch a little bit abond. You said five.
So that's what stuck with me was five cents a mile. Everybody's paying their own trans. Now, wrestling has transitioned all over you know, over the years, right, it gets the gets five nuns one hundred miles, Well gets to the boy. Now where like some of us like part of our deal is we want this amount, we want trans we want our trans paid for. So my guests would be like, you know, you hear
the stories that Vince would pay your one way ticket on an airplane. Um, was there a point where people were getting all of their trans paid for? Where the top guys getting their trans paid for? Was this something you guys would talk about. Well, I'm talking to Colt, I'm talking about it in the territories. Yeah, But then actually, Vince Senior was a territory of course, but and they paid trans and those territories too. But
then when we became like a world organization. When I went there, um, I first, Um, let's see when I think it was nineteen eighty five when the Killer Bees were born. I was there before and I worked for his dad. But but and we paid trans like up until that point. And at that point we became so national that Vince paid for all of our flights. But then once we got somewhere, we were on our own. Let's talk a little bit about the Killer Bees my face. See that's
the generation we talked about a little today. An I'm from Chicago. The Rosemont Horizon definitely the first show I went to, headlined by Piper and Hogan. You guys were on the card one hundred percent. I think it's been documented that Hulkogan had the idea to put you guys together, you and Jim Brunzel. You can correct me if I'm if I'm in correc now you're right. Can you tell me about the relationship with Hulkogan and then the relationship coming
together with the Killer Bees? Were you for it? Were you against it? Were you cool? Like? Did you enjoy the ride? Oh? I totally enjoyed the ride. I enjoyed the ride as much through the territories. I wish I could really explain that because I lived half my career through the territories and the other half propelling to what you guys watched today, you know, the WrestleMania through the I was there right before, so you just you can relate in time. Then we were on two, three, four
and right before five. I gave my notice. But the times that we had and even the times after that, because I wrestled for so many years after that. What about you and hulk wonderful times? Terry is a you know, ever since we used to get pound pounded and pounded in the dungeon. Hero Matt Suda and Gordon Nelson and even Bob Backlin would come in and he wasn't really a hooker, but he was a good shooter. But we
were constantly getting stretched and beat up. And out of three summers that I trained in the Dungeon where Matt Suda runs the you know, the shots, only three people made it. And that was first mister wonderful Paul Orndorff, who turned out to be one of my very, very best of friends. Then I started, But I trained with Terry for six weeks in the dungeon and then he had his first match with me, and it was great. And everything was a rib too. It's always a rib. There's always a
joke everything, you know. They changed the time limit and you were whole. Cogan's first match, yes, okay? What was he wrestling? The super Destroyer? Okay? Yes? And it was in chiefly in Florida. How many people in nineteen seventy seven? I was chiefly in high school. I would say there was probably three hundred people. Okay. And do you say to yourself, I mean I no one's gonna say this guy's gonna be the next biggest thing in professional wrestling? Was there any inkling of that?
Why is his sneak in the bar to watch him play? He played in a band called Ruckus and there's a place called the op and of the other place. And when I was seventeen years old, I'd sneak into the bar and I'd watched Terry play the He was just like a freak show. He had his you know, his mom was lipstick and her jewelry and uh, you know, puts like six foot seven son ten plus another another, you know, three and a half inches with the platform heels on, long blonde
hair hanging on that base, and you know, a great band. It was a sight to see and I got kind of u Then I saw him in the armory where we'd go on Tuesday nights to really watch all the action, you know, Rodes and Pandemonium and no Eddie Graham and Jack Briscoe and Buddy Colt and got so many Playboy Gary Hart, all these cool, cool, cool stars, you know, Joel La Duke, all these guys that were a lot of fun. Lots of trips with Don Morocco anyway, so
good times. So when you're doing the Territories and for the third time you're gonna come and wrestle for the WWF is it Hahulk Hogan saying, hey, I want Vince for you to come in. I think I could tell, you know, is he playing the role of promoter there for him to tag with Brunzel or they had Bronzel. Well, so this is how it happened. Um, the Florida tape goes to New York. So I was a Florida champion the first time. I was a Florida Heavyweight champion, n WA
Florida Heavyweight Champion, and the Southern Heavyweight Champion. I went. I left Florida and went to New York. I think that was nineteen eighty four, and right before WrestleMania one, had some tremendous matches with mister wonderful Paul Arndorff that really really impressed Junior and from there Senior liked it too. They both liked me, and I was going to come back and work for the Intercontinental
title, but I had to go back to Florida. Went back to Florida, won the Florida Heavyweight title, worked with Flair, and you know, I had some really fun times. But Hogan called me up and said, because Vince stole Hogan from Verne. And this is the rating period. You know, WrestleMania one starts where all the territories are getting he slowly picks the
territories and raids the top guys. So I went from being the main event like from for Championship Wrestling from Florida c WF to coming down and with Vince and being two weeks later on a card in another building in the same town. And that's how he manipulated and got the talent, paid the talent more,
and controlled the world. You and Jim and Jim killed. I mean, Hogan put us together because they worked together in a WA for Verne and Jim was a natural tag team Him and Greg Ganya were AWA tag team champions several times for quite a while. And I heard that, you know, Jimmy had a reputation of being a gentleman and a nice guy, and I didn't never had never met him in my life. So they introduced us in Branford, Ontario, Canada, and in nineteen eighty five and we meet talking.
Uh, there's a lot of people around, you know, all kinds of characters, George, the animals, see steel snook, I mean tons and tons of people. Uh, Popo's over here. Um. But George Scott comes up to us. Uh. He had already introduced us, and he said, listen, we need a name now for you guys. Wow, here we are Branford on Tera, trying to meet each other. Um, so much going through our minds. Now we got to think of a name. I wish he would have told us that, you know, you
know a little bit sooner. It would have been easier. So think of something, think of something. You guys are on in one hour, so we had one hour. Could to come up with a name. True story, that's wild. We're kind of thinking, think of thinking, and I, um, we're thinking. I'm thinking bees, Bees, Blair Brounzel, Blair Brounzel, the killer Bees. And oh yeah, because I love the Miami Dolphins. That's why it pops in my mind. I said, hey,
you remember that. Now I'm speaking out loud. My mind's stops, like it was like the wandering My wandering mind stops, and I step into reality and I said, do you guys remember the eighty two dolphins, Bomb Gardner and all the guys, Bonacani, the linebackers, five of them all were with bees where they were the killer bees. And that stuck with me all these years. And if that's if it sticks with me that long. I think Blair and Brunzel the Killer Bees. Jimmy goes, that's awesome,
man, I love it. I love it. Wow, that's fantastic. And George Scotts comes by and everybody's listening, and I said, George, how about the killer Bees? And he kind of smiles and he goes, killer Bees, killer Bees, killer Bees. I'll be back in as quick as I can. I gotta go ask Benson. And so we uh, you know, Kipbitts. Everybody's Kippitts in a little bit doing their thing.
A lot of characters now in that room Brantford TV. So you gotta imagine Jesse the body, you know, just the cast goes on and comes George with a big smile on his face. He said, you guys are now the killer Bees, and he's excited about it now. So I'm excited about all right, the killer Bees and runs He's excited, and Lanni Pofo is extremely excited and he has a bag like a hockey bag, and he reaches down and he pulls out a pair of bumblebee tom the same ones we wore.
So Lannie Pofo actually had those in the bag his bag before we wore them. Are you were? You like? Why do you have these? Lanny? What's the story? He had more gimmicks than anybody I'd seen in my life. He could be a night, he could be an elf, he could be whatever he wanted to be a poet, you know, he had. He had all the gimmicks. The Vince needs a bee, I'll blb, no problem, beautiful. He got his brother, and uh,
you know that's that's the deal. I mean, it was such a fun marketing gimmick of my childhood that it's so fun to hear that story, you know, come about. Yeah at one time. And I actually have a book that just recently came out called Truth Be Told. It was number one. Be Told. Yeah, Truth be ee Told available on Amazon for everything that I've touched on with Colt in these few short, wonderful minutes, which I truly appreciate, of course, and then I appreciate the listeners and everybody
here. Um it's got everybody, the cast of where we all came from, and experiences that nobody's ever seen or heard before, and pictures and photos and and it's a it's an amazing piece of art because of Ian Douglas, my co author. He's he's wonderful. Brian Blair, everybody, thank you, thank you very much, God Bust. What Brian doesn't know is that when I was in the w w E along with my my next guest.
Actually, I'm gonna bring up my next guest I had, I had to canvass the town to get signatures for him as he was running for the hills hills Borough County Hillsborough what was it? Me and Evan Bourne got went went to publics and got signatures for you for your campaign. Yes, yeah, you're welcome. Happy to do it, Happy to do it? What was it? Hillsbury County, Hillsbury County Commission District, sixth Countywide bocc All right, Okay, I'm actually I'm gonna I'm gonna bring in my next guest.
So I don't know if he has any memories of this, that's but it'll be fun to talk about. Please welcome to the stage. West Briscoe. Hi, buddy, what's up guys? How you guys doing. Do you remember that when Brian would come to the to the school at Florida Championship Wrestling two point oh sorry and uh, what I want to talk about two is
uh. One day I was doing UH. I was in Puerto Rico and you were talking about raining, and I was working for Carlos Cologne and there was a crazy downpour and I'm like, I'm are we gonna start wrestle. Of course, Carlos is like, yep, boys, you go out there and I'm like what. So I go out there and I start slipping falling. I'm like, the canvas is so slick. I didn't know what to do. So I come back and I'm like, man, it was the
worst match of my life. I call my dad. I'm like, Dad, they made me wrestle in the rain, Like what do I do? And he goes, dummy, you take your boots off. I wish I would have called him a little bit earlier. I got that information. That makes so much sense because I never wrestled in the rain. I didn't know, but everybody's Jimmy snooka tonight. Yeah exactly. Yeah. But it was funny that you mentioned that because I actually had that same experience in Puerto Rico,
wrestling in the rain. You don't want to ruin your boots, yeah, exactly, how your boots are ruined? You can't run the boots. Who the fuck your dad knows the answer to these wrestling questions? I know I didn't. I wish I would have called him a little bit earlier. Oh that's wow. Well did you make it? Did you have arthurscopic surgery? Uh? Three three days before that? No? I did not, but I probably needed it after right. Fair enough, Um, good to
have you on here. I'm still want to know. Do you remember when Brian came to this would come to the school. Yes. I also remember when Brian used to come to my house with this Harley that was all killer bead out and I remember those good old days of him pulling up in the Harley and nice, nice, Yeah, they would always come. I remember,
Um. There have been so many times where wrestlers would come in the middle of night and kick me out of my bed and I'd be like really, and my dad like, uh, um, I forgot the um which one was it? Um Ron bess He's kicked me out of the bed, But the biggest guy was um um guy with the I can make a lot of clues here. I'm trying to figure it out. I think I can get it. One of those old schools, the Road Warriors. No Blackjacks. No Blackjack. He kicked out of the bed before too. But it's
all of a sudden sounds very weirdly sexual. No. No, I was a little kid. I was a little kid. They come home and instead of the boys getting the hotel, my dad's like, hey, come crash at the house. Yeah, and of course I would have to leave them, of course, but you know, but it has been so many times the wrestlers coming by and stop him by and what would you do? You go on the couch or yeah, I get forced to go to the couch, or you have the dog kennel. You know, So what was you
was your house? Uh so at that time, let's say, if you were what one of those memories ten years older or whatever, Yeah, I was like partly ten. Like how where was your dad in his career that
wrestlers were coming over? I think, dude, well, I think at that period of the time, that was when he was controlling like backstage, and like I'm trying to remember, but I'm thinking that was when he was more of Vince's right hand man and like kind of so the guys would stop and he's like, you know, you guys don't need to get hotels, come stay at the house, you know, come crash. But at that period of his time, I think that was when he was more of Vince's
right hand man. It was before the Stooges. It was kind of in that period when I was still a really little kid, Like, do you have memories of your dad actually wrestling or Eddie retired by the time you were figured I I never got to actually see him, which you know, caused a lot of trouble in high school. I never in middle school. I never saw like I saw my dad's tapes of him being like a badass and him being you know, tag team champions and you know, all the stuff
that he did. And then by the time I got to like six to seventh grade, he was doing the stoogest thing. So I got picked on a lot, like like I didn't understand wrestling. I didn't understand what my dad was doing because I was at the age that I was like thirteen, maybe like twelve, So people would make fun of me, and I like to fight, so I don't care, like, you know, you know, my dad's my hero, you know, make fun of him because he's wearing a dress and doing that, I'll punch in your face. Like,
so these people at your school weren't like your dad. It's so cool that was anyone else's father on television. Every ye help, but my dad was the way he was pretty I know, but I'm gone. I was a kid. I didn't know and then eventually I realized. But you would think that the other kids would know no other way. Yeah, they took it
the other way where I got bullied, like harrass and the like. Sometimes they'd be like your dad's weren't makeup on team, Like I really would get bullied and harass in school, and like, you know, I got in a lot of trouble. I got kicked out of school for fighting because I like, my dad's my hero and people are like making fun of me and like just you know, bullying me, and I like didn't you know, I always I understand bullying. And that's why when people allow shows, I
say, and stick up for each other. You guys, like everybody needs a friend, everyone needs somebody stand beside you, and you know, like bullying is not not right. And you know I felt that myself, and you know, luckily I can fight. So what would the conversation would you go like, would you have like a heart to heart kind of like kid in parents situation of like I'm getting bullied, would your dad be like give him a chicken wing? Um, My Dad's like did you win the fight?
And I said, yeah, he goes okay, let's go get ice cream? Is that right? Yeah? Wow? So even even so, if you would ever, if you would get in fights, which you seem to have a lot as a child, your dad was okay with it as long as I was, you want, as long as I wasn't the person that was egging and all, as long as I'm not bullying. But my dad didn't want some people just to step on me and you know, pushed me to a corner where you know, I'm not going to back out,
you know, And like I never picked on no one. I never was. I thought I was going to fight someone's because either I saw someone getting picked on and I stood up for that person, or it was because I felt that they were really hurting me and like I had nothing else to do, like to how to fight back? Was your house a wrestling house? And meaning like I know you said that people would come and kick you out of bed, but like I don't know, Like, so I was.
I was on this show The Young Rock. Maybe you heard of it, and um, you know you like and then you started like seeing like these scenes of like the Rack and his family, and then Chavo is there and then he you know, I'm podcasting with him and he's telling me about how his household is one of these just like we're all barbecuing and right, and there's just wrestlers all over the place all the time. Is that kind of did you feel that or did you feel something different? Like was that not
necessarily the case? Yeah, that was the case. But when when it came down to it, Dad never put it on TV. Dad was never like we're gonna sit down and watch it was like family time, I bet, like wrestlers being over at your place all the time. Yeah, oh my god, Jack used to have My uncle Jack used to have crazy parties
where there like god knows, who knows what was happening there. And then I went on Hogan's one of his crazy parties where he rented out this huge like casino boat and like one level was kids level, when level was family level, and the other level, I don't know. I was too young to even see what that level was all about. I don't even know if I wanted to see what that level was all about. But you know,
it's kind of funny. I grew up always in that realm of like I remember Andre the Giant putting me in his hand and just lifting me up. I remember seeing the Undertaker eat eleven cheeseburgers. I was like, I was blown away. I was like, he's gonna eat eleven cheeseburgers as a river like he was. I really did was because like so back in them the day when they would come to Tampa, they'd have cheeseburger. No, I
would uh. I would be like a little my dad would bring me to the show and I would, you know, get the wrestlers whatever they wanted from catering. I would kind of be like, oh, give me some give a coke or whatever, and I'd go no, no, no, no, no, oh PEPSI. So so you know they say, hey, like, oh give yeah. As eleven year old, you know, I'm slinging coke in and out of do you know w W you know That's how I made the money. Come on, now, you think I got
this gold chant? There you go, but no, uh, they'd send me out to get like Pepsi coffee or you know stuffern catering, and I just would be, you know, run around boy, and then Vince would give me like fifty bucks and be like, oh, here you go. You know. So I would just hear stuff of like you know, oh tak her and be like, oh, go get me eleven cheeseburgers. I'm like, whoa dude, this guy's in the e eleven cheeseburgers. But then you know he's also six foot nine or seven foots Sure, I'm sure you
could somewhere in that body. Yeah for me a little boy, I'm like, I'm cheeseburgers, man. Like that would last me a long time. Um. So, when we first met was at in Florida Championship Wrestling under the w developmental system, and at that time, like the word on you was you were like this unbelievable wakeboarder. Yeah right, yeah, I was in the X Games and uh I was a professional wakeboarder for a good amount of of my life. I turned pro at seventeen and was able to be
blessed to travel around the world. And so tell me a little bit about the pressure or no pressure of like, you know, like being the son of this you know, unbelievable champion. And then like from an outsider's perspective, I see it like, oh, like maybe he's trying to carve his own path. But then it's like there is an end or I don't know, you know, like I don't tell me what your thoughts. And then, to be honest with you, you hit it right. In my head,
I was trying to create my own path. I was trying to be West brisco I wasn't trying to be you know, the son of Jerry Briscoe, you know, Jack Briscoe like I was. I was trying to create my own I didn't and I luckily I found wakeboarding and surfing and that brought me a way to show myself and kind of create my own path. But wrestling was always in my blood in my life. I have always loved it.
It's always been a passion. But there was a one time that I was just like, I kind of have to separate myself and I have to create my own path and my own destiny and just try things out. And of course wrestling always brought me back because you know, wrestling is one of the greatest things in the world. And it was just a crazy experience, but it came in all in full circle. And you where where was the X games that you went to? Which X Games? I've done two of
them. One was in California. I don't know where the other one was. I've done so many contests and moors. And then the decision of like, because I mean, I don't know if you're starting from scratch as you. I'm sure wrestled with your dad and your uncle, but you know you were like, Okay, I'm gonna give this a go when you were signed with the WWE, like, tell me about that decision. Well before, right out of high school, I trained with Steve Kern and Eddie Graham and
a couple other guys. Eddie Guerrero too. I trained with him right out of high school, and I my dad knew I wanted to create my own path. I was so much stuck in being in a shadow of my dad and my uncle that it was time that I gotta kind of fill my own shoes, and you know, and that's when I was just like, you know what, I'm gonna go for it. I'm gonna I'm gonna give it everything I got and my dad supported me. He was like, you know what. And then I got to the point where I couldn't compete with the
younger kids. I got to the point where these guys are doing triple and double flips and I've already had two knee surgeries. So I started looked sitting back. And then I went and saw my uncle Jack and I talked to him and he was like, boy, you should get in that ring. And I kind of went into there. And then of course when I went to FCW, I kind of got bullied there too. I mean a lot of the guys there were like, hey, you're just here because of your
dad. You're not you know what I mean. But I was there because I wanted it. I believed in it, and I love it. And that's why I'm still here today. I have not quit rustling. I've been at every show. I give my heart out every time I step in that ring. And I'm not just here to live off my dad's name. I'm here to make my own name. Give it up to that for sure. Um. I mean something earlier you said it was there's only something fascinating about
Puerto Rico. I mean, Brian talked about you know where you know Brody was killed, but there's so much like obviously with a part of the history. But you did you live on the island? Yeah, I lived there for a year. I heard the full year, the whole it was crazy. Yeah. And then well, sorry didn't tell me about Yeah, tell me about that like experience and what it was like. Yeah, it was like right when I got released from WWE, I was like I didn't want to give up, you know, I was like, okay, Like,
well because in that system started to cut you up. But it's just like you're you might have be wrestling every day, but you're at wrestling practice that you're like, you're enthralled in that industry. And then once it gets cut off, it's like do I go to practice tomorrow? No, I'm not
welcome ar anymore. Right, So weirdest, it's very hard mentally, And I have said and I and this is just a different tangent that I think part of the release from the ww developmental system should be like a mental health check, because you know, like you need that. It's so hard you need to you need mental like everyone's gonna have a bit of depression or whatever it is to kind of slide yourself out of going away from your dream job.
And not only that, it's the structure, the knowing that you kind of place and knowing that you have, you know, somewhere to be and that you know, like that was the hardest thing is when that all got took on away And of course I was Tag Team Champions at the time and was about to debut on Raw with Xavier Woods, and I blew my knee out and right when I got cleared to go back, I got fired.
There were so many questions of like what did I do wrong? I would you guys were just about to send me an Xavier and put us on TV and have us like go interrupt this pay per view do this. We were on four loops, like it was already in the night before that we were supposed to leave for the loop and I had we had to drop the title. I end up blowing my knee right when I came back there like sorry, yeah, we ain't got nothing for you, so tail as old as
time, Yeah, of course. Yeah, it's nice that you can still by going to Puerto Rico. You're back at every everything. It took a while, like it took a while to get there. I had to ask. I asked my dad, I had asked other people, and I was like, I gotta like because I was depressed, I didn't know what to do. I didn't know what route to go. I didn't know. You know, you're so stuck in the structure where you know your check comes every
Tuesday. You gotta be here, you gotta work out. I mean, it's awesome, like it's the best job in the world because you get paid to do what you love. And then it gets taken away and you got to start over. And then I worked at it and I luckily Carlos gave me a chance. And then at first I was living in an apartment with one bed with three guys. It was rough. And then eventually I worked my way up where I had my own apartment. I was doing good at
my own car. You know, like once you work your way up as a wrestler in Puerto Rico, you get more status, you get better rooms, you know, if you move up. And it was a good experience because I got to learn different styles of wrestling. And then I did Puerto Rico. Then I went to London for a while and wrestled up in Europe and then went back to Puerto Rico, and then that's when I got signed with TNA, and then that's when Mass and Nates and all that stuff started.
A nice little transition back in something. Yeah, and I felt like I really needed it, As like a lot of wrestlers, if you grew up in the WWE system, sometimes you kind of stuck in their waist. It's good to get out and learn different styles of wrestling and working different people.
So it was it was kind of a blessing that I got released because I was able to work all these other countries and learn different styles of wrestling and be able to create my own style of wrestling and not being able to just be programmed as a ww wrestler. Awesome West risk of everybody. Hey, well, thanks for having Nicole. I appreciate it. Yeah, oh all right, I'm gonna welcome my next guest to the ring referee Officiato James Beard. Everybody, Hey, man, getting a good feel for it.
Oh yeah, yeah, you're this You're a natural at this, man, I mean, I like talking about wrestling. I thank you. I think you found your spot here. Well hopefully good. No one can fire it. Fire me from it and make me move to Puerto Rico. So I got that going. That'll be interesting. Um, first of all, I think it's nice as a referee that well, I don't know. There's two different schools of thoughts of it. A lot of people want to say the
referee never wants to be should never be seen from or heard from. Right. But then it's nice though, to like finally have like recognition and be known as this like Hall of Famer referee. I've been really blessed and that, you know. And it's not really something I've thought about when I first started doing it. I'm just happy to be in the ring, you know, like like a lot of guys. Um, I was very lucky. I got to work in a pretty high profile place in Dallas and and then
I ended up in Japan and and got that experience. And it's just, you know, something you don't plan, it just happens. And then after I guess if you stay around long enough, people start recognizing a little bit. You know. I got to do a few things other than just referee, you know, working behind the scenes and that kind of thing, and that that helped. But yeah, it's it's it's not feel really blessed that
that some recognition has come in the last few years. Especially, Yeah, who were some of the people that you remember used the referee read the best and a few did say, you know, I was really fortunate in Dallas,
a lot of them did. Uh and and and of course that was a different situation in those In in those days, it was it was all about work, I mean, all about creating the matches you go, and and in that situation, uh, I mean nothing was mapped out, really do There's nothing except maybe a spot or finish and and uh and and then that situation, it really helped that I understood psychology and and and what they were trying to accomplish. And I could help them get to that point.
And if I could do that, that was my goal, always to make the match a little bit better. And and and I was very involved in those in those situations. And just about everybody back in those days work matches that way. So so I could say just about everybody that worked with us
like that. So nobody when you think back, oh, I mean, you know, guys, the guys like you know, like al Parez and and uh um, Johnny Mantell, Black Bart, all those guys from the Dallas area that I got to work with over and over and over again. Um, that really understood that could work with anybody, getting in the ring with anybody without saying a word and just have a good match. And and uh and those guys are always enjoyable to be in the ring with. And
you Lynn didn't the grappler. Uh. I could go on and on and on, but but they're just really technically sound and it's always fun to be in the ring with the guys like that. Would you would you when you look back at your career, like in your head is like is world class? Like was that your memory of? Like this is when I was deep in wrestling. When I was you know, it was my home territory. Of course, I grew up watching the Dallas promotions from a kid. You
know. I remember we lived about ninety miles from Dallas, and and uh we were we were sometimes we could see the see the TV pretty well and had on an antenna, you know, it'd be grainy and and and my folks actually took me to the Spratitorium the first time when I was about eight or nine years old, and um, I saw a bull hurry and Red Beastine and Danny McShane, you know, guys that i'd seen on TV, but obviously I've never seen in person and bigger than life, you know,
and and uh it was so that was my home that was my home base, which really fortunate it. Later on I got to got to know some of those guys and again they worked with something. I'm like, we're ed. Red was a dear friend and uh um, and I think but I think the thing that really made my career is when is the Japanese thing? When I got it went over there, it changed everything for me. If you're a full time were you full time referee with world class traveling the circuit?
Yeah? Later on I kind of came in there a little bit later, Okay, yeah, like are the how do you be a full time referee? And I'm assuming not making a full time wage as a referee. It was tough, right, Yeah. You hear about the wrestlers on the bottom of the card being like, I'm barely making whatever. But I imagine are you doing? Are you working? Are most of those referees working within
the office? Are they doing stuff? Yeah? Usually doing other things, helping the other things within within the actual wrestling promotion, not like another side jab or do they do the Yes, yeah, sometimes it is. Sometimes some guys had had other jobs too. And how do you have other jobs when doing a full times tough loop. Yes, honestly, Well you couldn't do that and go on the loop. You have to you have to be
paid. Yeah, And and you just live pretty sparingly for a while, you know, And it would be rough a few times, you know. But uh, I was really fortunate I didn't I got into it, and uh, I was playing music actually when I got into the business business, so I was kind of doing both for a while. It was kind of dabbling in this and and doing this and and that. There was a point to where it just got to a point to where you got to make a
decision, do one or the other. And and I was fortunate that I guess they liked me well enough to at least make me enough to make I could I could live on it for a while. And uh and then I got the deal in Japan and that changed everything. Okay. And now when you talk about the deal in Japan, Yeah, you were part of the a s w S Super Show, Is that correct? Yeah? What does
that move on to UH. They they had a lot of politics involved in this, but uh uh SWS ended up splitting because of UH in fighting with the upper end, and I ended up going with h n OW, which was uh Kendall Narkasaki Soakarada. I'm sure you probably knew him. Um, he was a good friend. He's the guy that took me over her the first time. And and uh when when they split, he asked me to go with him, and and when you did that, um, he kind of put me in charge of booking guys and and booking a lot of a
lot of the booking in the matches and that kind of thing. So it was it was a good situation for me. So I mean, you know, logistically, I'm always thinking like it'd be hard to bring over a referee to Japan. Yeah full time yeah, or or on a full time touring schedule or whatever. Yeah. But the first time I went over, they were having the grand opening s WS was and uh, I thought, you know, Soccarada asked me to go, and I thought it was just a one time, one shot deal. Uh. That one they had two shots
uh in Yokohama and about seventeen thousand people both nights. It's pretty cool and had they'd be grand opening and it was a real big production and everything and things went really well. When I went to get my payoff that night and uh Kabuki, who was one of the bookers, handing me my money and he said, you come back next month, and uh I came back the next month. The first first half of the tour was just Japanese guys and myself and I had stayed and worked in the training center and U, which
that was another thing it gave me. That's the first time I really started working with training guys and UM. And then I stayed over for the next tour. And that's how it worked. I'd go in and do a tour, work in the training center, and then do another tour and you can come home and didn't go back and do that again. And and you were a part. So you were part of that w w F versus s W like that show. Yeah, can you take us through some memories of that?
Was that? Like? Was that like chunk No at the Tokyo Dome at the Tokyo Dome. Yeah, I think of the matches I don't want it was crazy, Yeah, Holgan and I can't I get them mixed up now, Hogan and Tinue, and they ended up I think on the winner had to return or something. They may have even tagged together. I don't remember, but um yeah. The thing I remember about it is um um earthquake and uh they had they had a shoot fight. Yes, holy shit. So for those who don't know, I can't think of his name,
I don't know if you uh uh what was it? He was sumo champion yet yeah, yeah, No, it wasn't granted it was another It was a Japanese rather, it was John Tentta. Thank you? Yeah, why not? Asked the Room of wrestling. Yeah, they remember things we don't remember. Yeah, and they it's they both are I don't know the exact heat, but they both are like sumo wrestlers, and they both don't want
to sell for each other. And there's like like forty thousand people. Yeah, and they don't like you like they do eight minutes of like, well if I shoot, if I go for the shoot, I might lose, So I don't want to, like, I want to hit shoot, I'm this guy, but I don't want to lose in front of him. And it's one of the most interesting It's very much like great Antonio and Antonio and Noki, where it's just this wild thing that happened and you were there for
that that he was in the office. It was with what's his name? Yeah, yeah, he Uh he had been brought in, you know, after he was a Simo champion and uh they were trying I think he'd worked some and maybe maybe uh bob his promotion or somewhere before training a little and
uh Ken you had brought him in. He wanted to mike a big deal out of him and uh kind of the the drift I got while I was there, he wouldn't show up at the training center and when I wasn't training the way they wanted him to. And you're hearing all of this firsthand from earthquake two? Is he like now, not from earthquake? This is coming from the Japanese guys. Okay, yeah, but you're not like, yeah,
as an American and being able to speak English with earthquakes. Because I'm in the training center every day, so I didn't even see the guy cut he might becoming the once or twice, you know, And and I could hear all the rumbling and everything, and of course I knew uh Tenue and Kabuki and those guys, and they were the upper at your mind of the company and and Soccorata too, and they weren't happy with him and U. The drift I got was that the thing with earthquake is he was kind of
kind of told to make it rough on him, Okay, and uh and that's why how that started. Yeah, yeah, and then what was the aftermath, like, were you in the locker room for Yeah, he got mad and he jumped out of the ring and took off and just left, just left. Yeah, okay, and then what did an earthquake vent to you? After earth anything? Uh? Not to me, but yeah, yeah, yeah it was there was a little a little excitement in the dressing
room for Yeah, I'd imagine one of the most interesting things. Um this is I always funding interesting, Like when when do you realize, like, well, I can't the refereeing and all this stuff has to kind of slow down for me and I might have to hit into real way. Yeah, you know, I mean, I'm kind of I'm kind of at the stage now. I feel like you know that I was saying that I can I'm still as good as I once I ever was but uh, maybe once that's it, you know, that kind of deal, you get to that point,
you know. And I was always interested in the creative side of things and booking and and helping and training and that kind of thing. So that's something that kind of carried me this are you know, I continue to be involved in that and it's satisfying for me. And then tell me your favorite von Eric memory. Oh my gosh. Uh, you know, it's kind of weird that there's so many of them because I knew, uh Carrie was
a good friend, a really dear friend. Um, I don't know if this would be a favorite memory or not, but it's one that stands out for me. And it was in Japan too. He was working with W. T. B Off at the time, and they were on a tour over there. Because we were working with them, they would come over and
we'd do tours with them. And we went out one night. Um, myself was Carry and uh Rick Martell, Sean, Shaan Michaels, may have been somebody else I don't remember, but anyway, we'd gone out and had a pretty big time and we came back to the hotel and Carry said let's go downstairs and I wanted want something to eat, you know, some It was late and they were about to close and all they had was pie, so he ordered a whole pie. Yeah, beat something, and I said
to carry I don't you know. So I sat there with him for a while. I said, I got to go to bed. Man. He said, ah, you know. Finally I got up left. And the next morning Sean calls me and he says, have you seen carry? I'm going like, oh, Man saw him last night he went to bed. I guess we got to looking for him. He was out in the hall, leaning up against the door sleep. It didn't get into his room. He just laying like this, you know, and he was just you know,
he said, oh, I couldn't find my key. So I just went to sleep. And then later on he told me, he said, he said, yeah, I had my key, but I got to thinking about David in his room when he couldn't I couldn't go in there. You know. That kind of a morbid memory. But that's deep. Yeah, yeah, and sticks with you. Yeah, that's definitely something that would stick. Absolutely very interesting. All right, James Beard, everybody, thank you guys. Last, but not least, I'm excited to bring in the main
events of the show. Dressed to the nines. Please give it up for Hollywood. Rock Riddle. Oh oh, he's breaking format, breaking format, I notice, and I will tell you this, sir. For those of you at home, Rock Riddle is now in the crowd. He refuses to come sit next to me. Go on, well, it's it's a traumatic thing if I come sitting next to you. As the and I just did account as the five hundred and seventeen people who are in the audience, and
those are five hundred and seventeen who stay in the audience. No one walked out. The reason they didn't because they saw that Rock Riddle was still here and there was still a chance for them to be able to experience this amazing man in person. How could these five hundred and seventeen people see all the way through that door to the luxurious green room where I have caviare and sushi waiting for you. I mean, I guess maybe they heard you bragging about
all the wonderful, luxurious items that are back then. I don't brag about anything. And the reason that I hesitated to come out here and sit down next to you was because this is something that has never been done before a podcast. No, actually, I think those have been done before. You putting yourself over. Yes, I have never put myself over before sitting down next to you for the first time publicly, I think everyone should. Oh
my gosh. The people who are listening, they're missing out. But everyone here in person, the five hundred and seventeen people, look at this, two of the handsomest, most talented people on the planet together, they're in the same spot. I don't even know if these people can handle this. They all live vicariously through people like you and I. That's true. Not Rock, the original Rock and the original see we can say this since Brian is out of the room. It was his very good friends. So the
original mister Wonderful personal right. So here he is, direct from his palatial estate high in the hills of Hollywood, California. The first, the only, the original Mister Wonderful of professional wrestling, the Diamond Ring and Lamborghini Man Them and who possesses the body that men fear and women love, The Intercontinental Lover, the Rolls Royce of wrestling. Riddle. Wow, justin Roberts flashbacks.
I was having right there. You will say you did a great job of introducing me, but I thought I could do an even better job because as much as you love and admire me loving a masculine way of course, no, it's sexually. Also, oh, you are the first man in my life who ever found me attractive. No gay guys ever found me attractive. I missed out and now you find me attractive. I want to see if we can end this podcast right now. Come back to my suite.
I've got like half of a room on the eighth floor. They gave me this. It's got it's amazing, and you and I can sit down and talk about that. Yeah, I'd hit it, for sure, Yeah, for sure, unbelievable Rock. Let's talk a little bit about professional wrestling. First of all, were you a little upset? Well, we'll tell me about like honestly, I know you're a gimmick, but were you upset a when mister wonderful Paul made it made it on television with mister wonderful and b
when the Rock pronounced himself as the Rock. Okay, first we go. My understanding is that Paul Orndorff was a very nice person the wrestler. Instead of showing you a lot of the person here who has that character if you will, so close to the skin and it wants to come out and I can just feel it and see and we can start talking about how ugly the fans are and all, wait, I have to be me. Okay. So the reality is I wish he had come to me and said, Rock,
you're not real active in the business at that particular point. I'd like to sort of used that gimmick. What do you think Most likely I would have said, yeah, go ahead, is this the Rock? But he never did that. I don't know. It may have been my very good, dearly departed friend, mister Roddy Piper. It may have been Roddy Piper
who suggested it to him. I never asked Roddy, but Roddy may have said, hey, look, Rock is sort of going into semi retirement a little bit, and little did he know I would make such an amazing comeback. He was using this gimmick. He has this great gimmick, this mister wonderful gimmick. Why don't we use that? And I don't know what I
can say. Okay. I was at an event in Las Vegas Atta Atta Johnson, who is the Rocks mom She had just finished an interview with someone amazing, not on your level of amaze much, but someone amazing and some I think it was a national television interview, but she had just finished up. Yeah, you're international, this was only national. I'm Internet national. Oh that too. So Ata was in My friend. Ata had just finished this national not Internet. Great edit point, by the way, go On
had just finished this interview when I walked in. I heard the last thing she was saying, and about her son, and I said, you know, I was the rock before the rock was the rock. I was rock before Rocky was Rocky. But and of course I was. And she said stop. She looked at the cinematographer, the videographer, she said, roll your cameras. She says, we need this on video. We need to record this. I want to record this and send a copy to my son.
So I started the whole thing, even going further in there, talking about sort of putting down her on a bit, and how he's attempting to copy me, the real original Rock, the original mister wonderful. Look at the impostors out there, those who attempt to be me, and they never will be. Anyway, we did a little bit like that, and she said, Rock Riddle, you are atrocious, my son. Rock is the
only real true Rock. And I said, come over and stand next to me when you say that, and said, look over here, cheat the camera as they say, put your arm around me. Okay, zoom in on this space, Dwayne, your mom and I are running away together. Did you ever work with Rocky Johnson? I did not. I worked with his father and when I was very very young, when I was brand new, and of course I started as a teenager in professional wrestling, as did
you right? Yeah, you were what seventeen eighteen? You waited until you were eighteen, and that's okay, you've done well. I got five hundred and sixteen people to come watch a podcast when I when I was in my early early professional days, I was working for Roy Shire and in San Francisco. Obviously, great guy Roy would fly me in and out. He liked me, and he said, come on up, I want you to be under a mask, under a hood, as is the inside terminology in this
business. So that's why I'm not going to share that information with any of you fans. But if they're actual real wrestlers out there, so I'm in the dressing room with Peter mai Via, who is Dwayne's grandfather. He was just he was past time to retire, but he was close to actual retirement from the professional wrestling business. So when he came into the dressing room, I had the mask on and I said, hey you you yeah, you
old time guy. I beat you button Maxiicali. I would go to Google out here and beat you up again, because you haven't hold it in. You passed it. I was probably eighteen. Wow, Okay, I'm gonna take you out there and beat you from boy from corner to corner, and you're gonna like it because you're in there with someone who was much better than you, just like in Mexicali. When I beat you, I continue doing this, he get t us getting really angry. He's to the point that
he's standing up moving in my direction. And I ended it by saying, you don't have no idea with whom you dealing. Watched this. I took the mask off and that he saw it was me, so it was okay, Well, so you was funny a relationship with him beforehand, though, Yes, he knew who I was, okay, but he did not recognize Yes. Track Riddle everybody, my friend, I appreciate you. Thanks. Thank a lot of ladies and gentlemen. This says I've been the art of
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get the love that we deserve. But it is a great thing that happens. And also the National Wrestling Hall of Fame is open twenty four to seven. I believe if anyone ever wants to go there, they'll make sure it's it's open. You can see the museum. If you ever go through water Waterloo, Iowa, please come and visit, but definitely make a weekend of it next year. I do want to thank the National Wrestling Hall of Fame
and IPW and Troy and everybody for setting this up. I do want to thank my guests, give please give a run of applause for Rbe, Brian Blair, West Brisco, James Beard and Rock Riddle, Harry Is, thanks everybody that says has been the art of wrestling. For Cold Cabana, I'm Cold Cabanah. Thanks all right, thank you so much for coming. We're gonna do a fun little podcast here before this is not this is being recorded. It's putting being put on the internet, so don't think it's anything stupid.
Rock into other things. Also, oh, look at the minds of these people out here. They're laughing at things there where they should not be laughing. They're giving away their secrets just like you gave away yours. But thank you for finding me attractive. You're not bad looking, I guess for a guy. I mean, you're not my type because you're not female. But I don't know. You know, all women are trouble right. I won't go sign off of that, but you're welcome to say, oh,
wait a minute, there's no place for female here. Is that that what you say you're trying to do to me? The Rocks trying to get me canceled on my own show,