They may very well not have been evidence beyond a reasonable doubt of criminal conspiracy with the Russians, but there was in plain sight open collusion with the Russians. I guarantee you, except the little quibbles. I'm not worried about the report at all. So that was Jerry Nadler is running them, the committee that's gonna look at all this stuff and wants to get ahold of the Muller Report. And that was Rudy Giuliani, Trump's lawyer saying, I'm not
worried about it. Oh boy, I hope the Muller Report thing was over. So it's not even close to over. Devilin Parrott is Washington Post reporter. He focuses on national security and law enforcement and joins us now to discuss the Muller Report, the redactions, etcetera. Devilon, how are you? I'm great? How are you? Guys? We're all going to die? What's all going to die someday? Still discussing this. That's what I think it's going to happen. Well, it's now, Jack,
are you suggesting that this will kill us? It's gonna play a role. So yeah, listen, the the idea of what's redacted and by whom Devlin, I guess people are are drawn upsides and already yelling at each other preemptively. Right. It's it's that wonderful time in Washington when people argue about a document they haven't seen and about things that they about, you know, redactions that haven't been made yet. Um. So you know there's there's a complicated legal process that's
going on. But because it's taking time, and because there's so much suspicion already in the water about this process, you know, you're already seeing people take shots and try to get their licks in before the documents even out there. Well, I watched the interview with Jerry Nadler and the committee chair yesterday, and he more or less stated he doesn't
trust the Attorney General or believe him. So that's where we are, right, Yeah, And that's that's part of the challenge of this whole environment in that you know, so much has been reported on this, so much has been speculated on this, and look, it's obviously a political argument in some ways more so than it is even a
legal argument. So people are going to What you're already seeing is people are already you know, sort of deciding what they think the report will mean to them and to their view of the world, into their view of the president. You know what I'd like to know. I wonder if behind the scenes Democrats would love a heavily redacted report. You can scream and yell that you want
to get we want it all out, no redactions. But the more the more redactions there are, if there are any pages with full paragraphs redacted, then you get to make up or or or claim all kinds of stuff. Politically, I think that'd be helpful to them. I think I think there's definitely a political calculation for which that could be,
you know, a very manageable situation. For example, for the Democrats. Um, because because look at the top line is probably not going to change from all this right that, um, no one else is getting charged and no one else is getting accused of a crime. Well, then do we ultimately end up with because there will be redactions. I think
there'll be a lots of redactions. The American public probably won't ever see the some of the redacted parts, So politically, you know, d S will be able to claim me and that's the good stuff, that's the stuff that was gonna you know, put Trump and and and and everybody in jail and then so so voters will be in the same spot they were before, the voters that either hated Trump or liked Trump. Yeah, but I mean, I'll be honest, I don't know that that would depend on
the redactions at all. You know, I could see a scenario where they released, in theory, a completely unredacted report, and that's also doesn't move voters much in either direction. I mean probably. I recall, not not to give anyone PTSD, but I recall covering, you know, five report on the Clinton email investigation. And the thing about five reports is each side can take one pages that they like the most and say, well, this is the part of the report that I care about, and this proves what I
already believe. Um, I think in political terms, uh, you know, with four pages in the in the Muller report, I think there's probably gonna be politically plenty of material for both sides to work with. Devlin Barrett is a Washington Post reporter focuses on national security and law enforcement, and
devil and I heard already this morning. I mean, never mind the politicians making their their broad statements but they've sent forth their surrogates to make arguments on cable news which have varying levels of accuracy and the rest of it. So the waters are so clouded. I think we get that result where Americans pretty much end up thinking what
they thought before, right. And I think the question is what are the chances of this report changes folks minds, especially when you think about how many people you know already have pretty strong opinions about Trump one way or the other. Um. And you know to the degree that there is a group in the middle who are willing to genuinely, you know, ponder this and and read the stories and read maybe even read the report to think
about it. Um, that's probably a small slice of the population. Yeah, I wonder about that too, because Nadler was talking, the committee chair was talking a lot about the Trump Tower meeting. Right. Well, you know, the public knows that happened, and some people are bothered by it and some people aren't. You, like you said, I'm not sure how many people's opinions will be changed with more detail. So, Devlin, are you following
it all the the other side of the coin? How the investigation got started in the are you following anything with the Russian born grad student at Cambridge and the Michael Flynn's story and all of that. Is that across your rate? Are you? Oh? Sure? I mean, that's that's obviously part of the reporting, and there is you know, one of the other things that's in the works, uh, and inside the Great Years of government is there is an internal review still ongoing into how the Russian investigation
began and how surveillance authority was used. But we're I'm told we're months away from that becoming that report being issued. Is Mueller going to talk to anybody at any point? Do you think he'll be on being interviewed by Oprah or somebody sixty minutes? That certainly isn't the way he is wired. However, a lot of lawmakers on the Hill has said they want to subpoena him, and they want him to testify the Congress. I can't imagine a universe in which Bob Mueller Duck's of subpoena. Um, so I
think you could see that. I think that'd be open where we watch it. Oh yeah, I mean, and that'll be a big show. That'll be That'll be as big as the Kavanaugh hearings that'll be huge ratings. It probably would. I mean, look, he's a very um uh, he's a very tight lipped guy. I don't know that his answers may necessarily and you know, be that enlightening to a lot of the time. But he takes his job seriously, and I think he takes his responsibility serious. So I
do expect that will probably happen at some point. My final question for Devlin Barrett to the Washington Post. Do you understand you fully comprehend that there are five hundred and seventy five days uti the election. Um, I am going to say, not my problem. We're actually keeping We're actually keeping the number on a white board in here to remind us every single day. Yeah. Well, good luck with that, guys. I'm just going to stick to the
simple or easier questions of the fbhin the Justice Department. Yeah, there there you go, keeping it simple, Devlin Bear to the Wappo. Devlin's always a pleasure. Thanks a Milian, well done talking to Thank you. I'm not trying to like
whole helmet too much. I don't think or not, but I just is any is any gonna how many voters in America will be moved any direction when this comes out, well, it won't be many, even very very few, just as Devilon pointed out, because the top line will surely not change. So if Trump, out of peak, out of anger and annoyance it the Russian investigation did some stuff that was
obstruction of justice. C especially as a guy who's moving from the private corporate world into the world a government, or he didn't quite understand, you know, how the levers work. I could easily picture that. In fact, I'll be surprised if there isn't stuff like that. But to Trump supporters, they'll be like, okay, yeah, so he probably shouldn't have told Comey dropped the Finn Flynn thing because he's a nice guy. But does it feel like a threat to
the republic? No, not really. And you know, folks on the left will see, yeah, they met with that Russian chick because she offered some dirt on Hillary. Is that collusion or conspiracy or or what is it? I don't know, nobody knows it's But did he join with the Russian government? Did don JR. Join with the Russian government in an organized plot to do X Y or Z? Probably not. So there's just gonna be you know, loads and loads of IA. The Beholder