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Getty show. Well. There have often been discussions about war at Kept David. There have been discussions about peace there as well. Then some pretty bad actors traveled through that place throughout recorded history. What was Mike Pompeo talking about? Well? Donald Trump tweeted about it over the weekend. Unbeknowns to almost everyone, the major Tally band leaders and separately, the president of Afghanistan. We're going to secretly meet with me at Camp David on Sunday. They were coming to the
United States tonight. Unfortunately, in order to build false leverage, they admitted to an attack in Kabul that killed one of our great soldiers. I immediately canceled the meeting and called off peace negotiations. What kind of people would kill so many in orders seemingly strengthen their bargaining position. They didn't.
They only made things worse. I have so many questions, And since neither Donald J. Trumper nor Mike Pompeio was available, our third choice was the fabulous my clients military analyst for CBS News, and Mike that was that's a strange introduction, I realized. But when I am president, you will be my secretary of Defense. Does that make you feel better?
That makes me feel great? Perfect. It's great to be back on with an excellent excellent, So listen, Uh, why don't we get your thoughts overall on hearing about the secret negotiations that were aborted? What was your reaction? So so, initially, it's classic Donald Trump, okay, in that he wants to create a photo op, he wants to create an opportunity. He's got the mentality of Jimmy Carter and Arab Fat at Camp David, you know, the accords and all that stuff,
and that's his mentality. And he struck a nerve with this not eleven generation of like, how dare we bring these terrorists to Camp David? I think that's one thing that came out of it. But so he finally gets talked out of this, I think by Mike Pompeo who says, look, we're not going to get any kind of deal here that's going to have any teeth, and in classic transaction based Donald Trump mentality form of what i'll call fill er kill, is going to fill the requirement. If it
works or not, he just kills it. He sends a tweet out, and all of the work that was done in the back, you know, for the past few months, is now gone and they have to reset everything. But it was the right move. But again, the way he conducts foreign policy is just something like we've never seen before. Okay, that explains my question because to say we we can't negotiate with these people they killed one of our guys, while Mike Pompeios on the talk shows saying, listen, we've
killed a thousand Taliban in the last ten days. So that explanation just didn't really make sense to me. Okay, I get it, I get and I think I think, um, we've been getting indications from the past week's secretary espimate a comment about, hey, we're gonna walk away from a bad deal. We're we're coming to realize that. You know, we were looking for historical analogies, right, and we looked at that's in Fain when they were negotiating with the
British with the IRA. The bottom line is they had a very direct connection to the military arm of the IRA because the money flowed through the political arm to the military arm, and once that stopped, if you can negotiate with that political arm, you could get a real cease fire. Well, we're discovering that the people were talking to at the Taliban have no control over the tribe that runs the military arm. They do whatever they want to do, and it's you know, the spirit hydra, fifteen
different heads, whatever you want to call it. The bottom line is there's a disconnect there. So we're gonna negotiate with somebody that's not capable of enforcing the deal. And I think we're starting to realize that now. But from the standpoint of just being there. Pompeo is making the argument on the shows yesterday, Look, there's all kinds of places around the world where we've got problems with terrorists that are you know, trying to come up with a
plan to attack the United States, not just Afghanistan. So his point is, I think what he was trying to say, why why are we putting so much emphasis on this particular little stretch of crappy land. Well, I think because the President did make a campaign promise to get us out of there. But I think he needs to repivot this whole thing. And you've got again the nine eleven generation who thinks to fighting an endless war and they want out. They want to say that this is enough,
we just want to leave there. The bottom line is, you know what we're doing Afghanistan. It's similar to what we did at the end of the Second World WARLD. We kept troops in Europe for fifty five years. We've have troops in South Korea since the end of that conflict as well, and we should not look to actually
leave Afghanistan. That's the President needs to kind of pivot back to the fact that we could keep sevent troops in Afghanistan and still get all the things we need to accomplished militarily that we did when we kept a hunt at the thousand troops there. So this is actually a bargain. This is actually a good thing. It's something
that the military can do. And I think that's what Pompeo is trying to shift the attitude too, because Trump again going back to the third kill mentality, he knows that if he doesn't get the troops out, well, all the political enemies of his are going to hit him over the head with the fact that he didn't do that. And he's now back to where the same troop level he wants is what Obama did when he left office
in two thousands sixteen. Now there are any Nazis attacking American soldiers in nineteen sixty twenty years later though, yeah, well yeah, And I think that the United States has got to take this role of this kind of mission, maybe as a leader of NATO, in order to have these wars eight time zones from where you Where do you want to fight these people? You want to find them in the streets in New York City, you want to fight them in Kabul? And I think the projection is,
let's fight to make time zones from here. So, just to finish this discussion, if you were advocating that point of view or Trump were, should he say something like, listen, every one of our guys who dies is a tragedy and is injured and it's terrible and we're seeking to prevent it, but it's not really more than die in a big city police force. Yeah. Yeah, it's exactly the analogy.
And that's exactly right. And the fact that he should say we're winning an Afghanistan because we don't have to keep a hundred thousand troops there that we have trained troops to the Afghan security forces are getting better every day, and maybe we'll get it down to five thousand, but the bottom line is based on the strategic weapons we can always bring to the table and the amount of troops that we have, they're unlike anytime else in warfare.
I think we had a conversation once about how fifteen hundred troops in Syria can control everything that's going on there. We used to have to send twenty thousand troops anyplace fifty thou in order to get anything done, but nowadays we don't have to. We don't have to do that.
And I think he's got to re educate the population about how we do this, and and politically it's not going to go well for him because again the Democrats are gonna say, oh no, you say we're all coming out, you know, peace, love and the grateful dead, and you know everything's gonna be great. But but no, this is the kind of new way that the military I think needs to position these kinds of these kinds of depens
interesting military analysts. Mike Lions on the line, Mike, have you gotten a chance to take a glance at the d i as new unclassified report on the Chinese military? A little bit? I could tell you that their missile program is something that we've got to be real concerned about. And the thing is, you know, they're they're not We're gonna be swapping ordinance I think soon in the Pacific Ocean.
I mean, they're gonna they're gonna go after our our carriers, and we're gonna have, you know, got a nine eleven decision, Because you take out one of those carriers and you kill five thousand sailors, you know what's going to be our response that they they have looked at nine O eleven, and they looked at what happened in Desert Storm, and they looked at the fact that the United States can bring command and control of literally everything and every tool
in the toolbox to the battlefield and they're gonna try to get out in front of that. And you know, I think the Navy is preparing for the Navy, I think is going to be leading our country in the next twenty to fifty years and projecting power against what's going to be at Chinese military that's going to continue to try to grow and and expand its capability. So do you think is some sort of punch in the nose is imminent? Then it sounded like your lane in
that way, you know imminent is um imminent? Is maybe too close? I think that we're getting to the point where the amount of ordinance that they have on those ay tolls there that you know, that they built up
as opposed to putting you know, condos on them. Um, the missiles that they have there were now getting to the point where they could make a mistake and may they might not hit a U S cruiser or destroyer, they might hit something else, but they're looking to instimidate those shipping lanes that are taking place in the South China see and um, yeah, I think we're getting to the point where you could have you know, Cuban missile type of crisis mistake if we don't figure out a
way to to respond back or open up the dialogue with what's what they're doing there? May you live in interesting times? Mike clients military analysts for CBS News. Mike, always a pleasure. Thank you, great guy. Thanks from me. Yeah, so I haven't read it. I've just seen the headlines. But what, well, what are the headlines. Well, that China's China's military is a near peer of the United States in a lot of capabilities. Their missile programs, Mike said,
is leaping for word. We still own the seas um to a large extent. But you know, my my brother's active duty in the navy, and and you know, I've known many sailors. And if if you blast a ship out of the water, many people die. It's unless you're you know, firing off warning shots, and it's that posturing
thing a naval attack. People die. And I'm just I'm thinking over what Mike said and how poligerent China has been about building these little islands in the South China Sea and then arming them and turning them in a military basis, and and they're gonna want to flex their
muscles soon or later. Um. The other thing they said is that cyber wise, it's difficult to say who's ahead, but both of us are are cyber superpowers, and China may well be ad um, but oh they're They're spending more on the military than anybody on Earth except the United States and are are growing it by leaps and bounds.
It's a huge priority. So yeah, yeah, although you know, if there's one kind of softening note a couple of experts I was listening to her pointing out that it's very different from the Cold War because we had very very little relationship with the Soviet Union. We didn't have trillions of dollars in trade and and and billions and billions of dollars in tourism and and thousands of students
going back and forth to each other's countries. That's That's not to say that's going to prevent anything ugly from happening, but it is different. It's the through Clidean trap. I was afraid of that for many, many thousands of years, an established power and arising power almost always go to war, like nine out of ten times. Eventually. Yeah, I once accidentally caught a skunk in my through Clidean trap, and
I didn't know what to do. Mike Lyons. Saying we in China will be swapping ordinance at some point is frightening. Will you talk about rattling the markets? Yeah? Yeah, well you've seen what's happened in the Persian Gulf, various warning shots. And how about Russia buzzing? Our fighters are our our our boats? Yeah well let's hope not. But you know, world keeps spinning. Are strong and getty. When you're ready to ride Metro, we want you to know we're ready
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