The Kavanaugh Confirmation. Mollie Hemingway talks to Armstrong & Getty

We enjoy her work on Brett Bears Show Special Report with Brett Bear. She is a thinker, she is a writer, and she's written a brand new book about the Kavanaugh confirmation. And what a pleasure it is. Because four hours simply usn't enough. This is Armstrong and Getty extra large. So we've been trying to get Molly Hemingway on the Armstrong and Getty Show for a very very long time. We couldn't be bigger fans. For some reason, she's ducked us all these years. Me finally, Wow, Wow, that's a fine.

How do you do, Molly. I'd like to apologize for the belligerence and aile manners of my co host, How are you great, and it's great to be here with you. Well, we are actually very big fans of you. Your intelligence, your forcefulness in making your arguments. Also your occasional just barely perceptible eye roll when you're there on a special report and a particularly numb skulled confident has made. Your

lack of a poker face is more than appreciated. Yes, I've been told I need to work on that, but I do, I do, my bet. Yeah, Well it's it's it's absolutely a respectful exchange of ideas and not a cable shouting match, which is why we like it so much. But the occasional glance by Molly Hemingway is appreciated. So anyway, So Molly Hemingway joined us today to talk about Justice on Trial, the Kavanaugh confirmation, in the future of the

Supreme Court. And Molly, I've seen you talk about this book and a couple of different settings, though I haven't read it. But it's important that we soberly look at that crazy couple of months that actually was a circus and a national disgrace, as Kavanaugh described it. Why did you decide to write the book right. My co author Carrie Savarino, and I lived through the hearings. She was working on the nomination, I was covering it. We knew

it was an important story. We we believe strongly it was the most important thing to happen to the country last year. We wanted to just get an accurate description of what happened, learn what was going on behind the scenes.

And we interviewed more than a hundred people, including the President and vice president and members of the Supreme Court and senators and people close to the Kavanaugh family and the blasi Ford family, and just we're able to say what happened and why it happened, and and get the actual facts down before people forget them. Hey, I want to get into the timeline and the various things and when they happen in what order, and who knew what when and what newspaper knew this but printed in anyway.

All that stuff is interesting to me. But how close did it ever come to them actually pull in Kavanaugh? Did it ever get dicey? It definitely got dicey, but it got dicey on the Senate side. It didn't get dicey from the White House side. So the you know, whatever else you want to say about the Trump administration, they had kind of prepared for such a thing as this type of confirmation battle. They had thoroughly vetted all

candidates for any kind of problems that could arise. They knew their history enough to know that sometimes there are last minute shenanigans where people try and pull you know, dirty tricks to sideline nominees, and they anticipated it, and they were prepared, and perhaps no other administration in history this was going to withstand this type of pressure like

this one. Whatever. There's hardly been another human being on earth, let alone a president that was so, you know, perfect for being able to withstand the slings and arrows of one of these scandals. He's been living in his whole adult life. He doesn't he doesn't go into a fetal position when the media is on a roll with some

sex scandal. He's been doing this his whole life. So that was perfect, exactly, and understanding the presumption of innocence and why that's important, why people need to actually prove allegations without them just being believed. But the Senate was not. They were not stalwarts. A lot of the senators were

ready to be ready to run throughout the process. You know, the story of Jeff Flake is well known about how he was back and forth about all the elevator, But there were other Republicans too that were that, we're kind of wavering, and we'd tell the story of one senator on the Senate Judiciary Committee who went to Susan Collins and tried to get her to agree to go to the White House and get and get them to pull

the Kavanaugh nomination. And she said that he did this after Christie Lassie Ford testified and she said, I'd like to wait until we hear from Brett Kavanaugh. Of course, so outrageous stalwart, but not everybody else was. Yeah. So listen, um, if you were to just describe the entire Kavanaugh circus briefly for folks, well, if I were going to i'd probably working back to Joseph Welchi was the guy who famously asked Joseph McCarthy at long last, have you no

sense of decency? Um? Was this just an abandonment completely of any sense of decency um in favor of just achieving the end you want? I mean, it was so ugly, it was, and it was it got ugly very soon. I think people forget what was happening early on. Within moments of him being nominated, there was a big protests that had been pre planned on the steps of the Supreme Court. You had people announced that they were opposed to his nomination before he before he had even been named.

I mean, they were saying they would oppose anyone who was a nominee, and so there were problems early on. There were people getting arrested. In the first round of hearing. Two people got arrested, people who were flown in from out of out of the area to do protests where they were um they had their bail paid for and everything like that. So it was pretty chaotic from the beginning.

I'm trying to figure out where's the timeline on this whole thing, because there was the piece that came out was at the New Yorker a couple of weeks ago about al frank and Stewart Smalley and how so many people regret it. Regret that now it makes you understand the Kavanaugh thing and the al Franken thing, how the which trials happened, I mean, because we get into these fevers. Apparently now most Democrats look back on the al Franken thing and think what were we doing? Why did we

run him out of office? And al Franken's thinking, why didn't I stand up to that? So but that was the that was the era and setting we were in for this whole Kavanaugh thing, right, Oh well, it's even more than that. And I actually found I'm very sympathetic to the idea that al Franken got. Rail wrote it that people were just in a mob hysteria type moment and that he had to be the sacrificial lamb because of the way that politicians have been playing up the

you know, the me too moment. But the woman who wrote that piece in The New Yorker, Jane Mayor, was one of the prime instigators of the Kavanaugh mob awesome, And she wrote the second piece you know, so first of Christie blasi Ford come out. She writes this other piece about a second accuser who spent six days alone with her attorney to come up with an allegation. She was very foggy on anything, She had nobody to corroborate

her story. And Jane Mayer published that story in the pages of New Yorker and said that she did it precisely to show a pattern of alleged misconduct, which is not a journalistic standard that I would encourage people to uphold. So it's great that she has come late to the notion that people should be innocent until proven guilty and

the due process matters. But she is the last person on earth I would have making that case, given how she was not just about Kavanaugh, but also she was, of course the author of one of the worst books about Justice Thomas uh from decades. Well, I'm glad you pointed that out, So would you? Was that your Is that what you'd say as the most immoral and disgusting um the episode within the greater story? Or do you

have another that's a favorite? Well, there were lot of There was a lot of media misbehavior in this story, and of course it's very important to take any allegations seriously, to investigate them and think about whether you are truly about to nominate someone too. Are you're putting someone on the Supreme Court who is a serial rapist, which is where the allegations got by the end, regularly participates in

gang rapes. That's where we were of a leader of a gang rape cartel that roamed the suburbs of Maryland. Was was the allegation made by Michael Abanati and his client, Julie sweat Nick. And yes, they were referred for criminal prosecution for making that false claim. Um, and so were a few other people who made false claims against Kavanaugh.

But it's one thing to make the false claim. It's another thing that you had people who really should have been more sensible believing the claim or publishing it or putting it out there. And NBC News knew at the time, you know, before the confirmation. They knew that Michael Abanati's supposed witness, second witness who would corrobor these crazy allegations. They knew she was saying that he what he claimed about her was not true. But they sat on that

for weeks. They knew it before the confirmation vote, and then they kind of like put it out quietly a few weeks after he was confirmed. And again, that's just really bad behavior that decreases people's trust in the media to accurately. Oh my god, that's beyond bad behavior. You've got to get out of the business. If you're willing to do something that's not biased, that's that's that's crime.

It's from It's astounding, yeah, that that should be criminally prosecutable for ruining a person's life and image and reputation and everything like that. Um what I remember this story barely, and this one was so amazing to me that a letter, it was in a just in an envelope to a newspaper and that was pretty much all the information, you know, scrawled on their Kavanaugh raped me and that was about it, and newspapers were willing to run with it. Was that

what was that whole story? I wouldn't say it was quite that bad. But what was interesting is Christine Blossi Ford sends a letter to her representative. She claimed she's unclear on how to reach a U. S. Senator. She's a little bit of a weird claim to make, given that she's a PhD uh, you know, she's a professor at a university. It's kind of odd to claim that you don't know how to reach your own U. S. Senator.

Her representative and as she puts her in contact with Senator Diane Feinstein, the ranking member on the Senate Judiciary Committee. And that's where things get really weird because she writes this letter to find Stein at the end of July, she says she doesn't want her name to be out publicly. I while the Senate has a process for how to handle allegations against nominees, it's completely confidential, and it is actually it goes through the FBI. Um, but everyone's kept

all the information is kept confidential. It protects the accuser and the accused, and you can actually investiga into claim. And Diane Feinstein, for some reason, circumvents that process. Instead, she connects the accuser with a high profile attorney who's known for rolling out um like pr campaigns against against high profile men who are accused her sexual misconduct. They circumment the process that would have kept it confidential, and then they arranged for a big PIA rollout, which was

against the stated interests of the accuser. Now, it is also true that the accuser are saying that she didn't want her name to be public or anything to be public. The first call she made was to the Washington Post in early July. So there, you know, there's reason to think that maybe what she claimed she wanted was a bit at odds with her behavior. But um but either way, her stated her stated preference was did not have her name be public and everybody who had the information set

about to make it public, and that was unfortunate. It's probably a minor point, but do you have an idea an opinion on whether di fi herself was the engine for that or was it activist staffers that are going behind the old gal's back. Oh so, we you know, we interviewed a lot of people involved in the process, senators and their staff. They all actually speak extremely well

of Diane Feinstein and extremely poorly about her staff. But they feel that her staff was taking advantage of her that um, that she's older, she her she throughout the day, maybe it gets more tired and whatnot, and they felt that the staff was taking advantage of that situation to do things in her name that were not what she

would want. And we had many examples that's how she would negotiate things that were actually favorable to Democrats throughout the process, and her staff would then renegotiate it in a way that was so absurd that the Republicans just sort of stopped working with them. Um. And they really a lot of people had a higher regard for her than they did her staff, and they really felt that that in fact they get so upset about this. At one point, we tell the story of a bunch of

senators who literally almost physically fight each other. They're so frustrated about what's happening and that disconnect between the minority staff and the majority staff. You know, I expect politicians to behave badly and uh, maybe I should hold them to higher standards and expect more, but I expect them to But maybe it's because I'm in media. I expect the media to be better. And I was speaking of the particular letter that went to the San Diego Union

Tribune that showed up. It was to Kamala Harris's office, then got forward to the San Diego Union Tribune. There was just an accusation that Kavanaugh and a buddy of his raped me, and it just it had no information, was unsigned, I think it was. I was unsigned. It had no return just so it had nothing and it actually made it into the into the into the media and got talked about that. I mean, that's just disgraceful.

It's really that all standards were thrown out the window for how to handle something just because I guess people thought that reputational harm was not a big deal or that it was justified because of political reasons, like political opposition. But there were all sorts of allegations. You had people

making claims. I think I just heard when you mentioned the claim that there was a rape on a boat in a in a state that, like Kavanaugh, had never even been rod And the senator takes it to the to Chuck Grassley, but he also releases it to the media who run with it. And and these are the types of things. You know. Anyone can make an allegation, and it's important for people who are gatekeepers like the media to investigate the claim and decide whether it is

it meets the standard of should this be published? And there was not a lot of that going on. And that's very unfortunate because there is real harm caused by reputational damage. You said, there was no buckling of out of the White House. They didn't get close to pulling Kavanaugh. How close did Kavanaugh come to us saying and I don't need this is his wife or friends or whoever egging him on saying just get out. We report that when he was being considered for the nomination, his wife

actually prayed that he wouldn't get the nomination. They had gone through two very different difficult confirmation battles years prior he had a lifetime appointment on a federal court. Their life was really good. She just didn't want to go through it again, and that was before she had any idea how bad it would get. But he always had this idea that he would give it his best for everything, so he just, you know, if he was upsloord, he was going to try and get it. If he doesn't

get it, that's fine. And then once he gets the nomination, he's going to try and actually make it through the process. And if he doesn't, that's fine. Um, there is a change. So he he was never going to back out, and he had the support of his family, but there was this change you saw in the reopened hearing where it's not even about getting to sit on the Supreme Court, but really about whether he's going to be able to

be around children anymore. You know, at that point you have the media saying that he shouldn't be around children, like I don't even know where they were coming up with some of these things. He shouldn't be coaching his daughter's basketball team and that sort of thing with with his background, what a terrible thing to say about a Oh my god, Um did you did? You got more emotional about it at that point? Yeah, yeah, I would too.

I he was pretty emotional, as we all remember in that hearing, But I would have been I might have physically attacked somebody. You start telling me I can't be around my kid's friends because I'm so dangerous, such a sexual predator. That'd make you insane? Did you do you ever talk to anybody in journalism say I gotta ask you, how did you sit on that story or you knew that probably wasn't true? How did how did you? How

do you live with yourself? Well, that's one of the things that does bother us that we look at, is how prior to the confirmation you have this feeding frenzy of stories, all alleging really serious wrongdoing. The moment he's confirmed, it all just goes away. And you have to wonder there if it were bad that someone were being considered for the Supreme Court who had these allegations, so much

worse if they actually are on the court. So there's no reason why the story should have stopped if they believed them to be true and that they didn't pursue the stories and it just kind of disappeared. And even you know, we we wrote this book. It's a number one best seller, and the New York Times in Washington Posts have admitted that in their best seller lists, but they haven't covered the news that we break about, um about what happened behind the scenes. You know normally when

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participate in McDonald's. It's a major news story. You would get some media coverage, and they're not even covering the book, which is a big, big thing with a lot of news that is broken in it that has never been reported before, about Kennedy's retirement, or about Christine blasi Ford's friends not believing her. I mean, these are things that are just reported that should be covered and they're not

even acknowledging them. Well, that would open up, That would open up, Yeah, exactly, that would open up a can of worms that they'd have to account for. Well, I'd say, given the seriousness of what you're writing about in the the impact that it's had to ignore it is well, it speaks louder than words. Honestly, Um, you're you're a serious journalist, so you might not be willing to go here. How nutty is blasi Ford? I mean, as you looked into her life and her friends, my my personal take

was she believed what she was saying. That doesn't mean it happened. I think she believed it though I don't know. I don't know, and we definitely don't get into into pretending like we can know what was going on inside someone's brain or whatnot. But we did talk to a lot of people who are friends with her, and they painted a really mixed picture. They all actually really like her,

and they thought she was a nice person. They did acknowledge that she was very political, very motivated by her support of abortion, that she scrubbed her Facebook page before she went public, um that her behavior, her description of herself, for her characterization of herself in high school was at odds with what they remembered. But you know, there are people who are lifelong friends, and they painted a pretty

complicated picture. She had no evidence to support her allegations, and she named four people, including a lifelong friend who said, not only did she not remember such an occasion, she remembered the summer quite well, and for her not to remember anything matching this description was notable. That friend also reported that she had been pressured to change her story by mutual acquaintances of the two that she didn't appreciate

that pressure. So these were you know, these are all things that we cover in the book and it's um, it's important and noteworthy. Well and and Ms Blasi Ford and I do not know what happened. I was not there. And crazy people get raped and sluts it raped, and and whoever perpetrates that sort of thing ought to be punished severely. But she had some pretty severe emotional problems too. Um, I mean just credibility. Why she's a little nutty, as Jack said, but I know you you don't want to

go there. Just no, it's it's not I don't know if it's emotional. I would just say that Rachel Mitchell, the sex crimes prosecutor who does the forensic interview of her very difficult circumstances of live national television, impossible to explore some of the inconsistencies. For instance, we were told that the hearing had to be delayed because of a

of a terrifying, crippling fear of flying. Right, And she points out that not only did she fly all the time for professional reasons, she does it for personal reasons, and lists her primary hobby as international surf travel, which involves not just flying, but like flying over large expanses of the Pacific Ocean and island hopping and so the claims that were made were at odds with the reality um that she herself testified to. It's a very generous

way to put it. So this is just an opinion question to you, as an acute observer of the political scene, it seems to me that this trend can't continue much further. Oh my god, unless you accuse somebody of being Hitler reincarnate or the anti Christ. You can't go much further than that. Yet, where does it go from here? Well, and this has happened before. You saw this in the Bork hearings, the Thomas hearings. Uh, there were other other

hearings where you've seen some pretty outlandish claims that are made. Um, it happened here. I think people would be naive to think it won't happen in the future. One of the things we show is that it tends to happen not because of particular nominees so much as when there's an ideological shifts in play for the for the court. So Neil gors Wich was replacing Anton and Scalia. That's not

a big shift, So nobody freaks out about it. When a Trump nominee is replacing Anthony Kennedy who's a swing vote, Well, that's a bigger issue. And if one of the liberal block justices were to retire or have a seat open up and then to be replaced by a Trump nominee, I think you would expect it come like an apocalyptic type battle. And it's not going to be about whether, you know, the nominee really has a problem in their past. So much is whether people feel threatened by a change

on the court. Right. So if the notorious RBG actually you know, can't do it anymore, and Trump gets to appoint another Supreme Court justice the way he's appointed so many justices at various levels across the country, that would be Are there people out there that would be willing to to stick their neck out and even even try to make it through that gauntlet. It's certainly, and there might be people who are willing to stick their neck out, but aren't willing to have their family go through it.

It's there are all sorts of people who just cannot imagine putting their loved ones through this type of battle, which is why it's important to hold people accountable for making false allegations for circumventing processes that are designed to protect nominees and people who accuse them, and there hasn't been a lot of the on ability at this point, and it's important that people know the history and know it well and tell people that you know, it's understandable

that political battles will be politically waged, but there should be limits to what you're willing to do or able to do as you go after people. It just occurs to me the three examples we just gave here, so you got Kavanaugh, Bork, and Clarence Thomas O's are all Republicans that Democrats went off when after in a in a very ugly way. Do we have any examples where the parties are flipped? No, I mean Republicans play hardball

on this too. You might remember that when President Obama nominated Merrick Garland to fill Scalia's seat, they just said, we're not even going to have hearings, and that was that was something that bothered a lot of people. Now they didn't go after Garland. It bothered me. It was a clever move and it worked, but it wasn't fair they made that. They made the claim before Garland was even named, which is a big difference and important difference.

So they didn't go after him personally. They went after saying, we're just even getna hold hearings. We're not going to consider anyone that you put forth. So Republicans play hardball, but less personally. And of course the big issue here is the court has become this way that people accomplish things when legislatures fail to accomplish what they want, so they use the court to push through their progressive ideology and and so the court is kind of responsible for

this itself. The more political they are, the more political people will be about nomination battles. The better course of action would be simply to do their job, which is determined whether a law is constitutional or not um and that can be a law written by Democrats or Republicans. You just determine is it constitutional or not. And when you don't do that and you make it more political,

well you're gonna have a lot of political battles. What was it was it Ben sass Or who was talking about quite persuasively not long ago, about the fact that the Supreme Courts been elevated to such astounding heights because Congress won't do its damn job, and so you almost have to have a nine person legislative body figuring out

what the hell Congress means. Well, I do think that the Congress has passed a lot of its responsibility to the administrative state executive branch agencies, and then that does create a huge branch of administrative law where the courts have to decide whether something's constitutional or not. So Congress has been part of the problem. But really, even so, even when that's their job, rather than um, make political decisions,

as the Court has done too many times. You know, whether it's like redefining marriage or inventing rights to to abortion, you know these are things better handled through the legislative process and uh, and that people should litigate them through the court of public opinion rather than the actual Supreme Court. So you and Carrie Savorino have digested this ugly episode

as thoroughly as absolutely anybody. Uh. Looking to the future, and of course the subtitle includes the future of the Supreme Court, but looking to the future of Supreme Court hearings. If you were to have advised, say, an administration on how to counter the battle roar administration for oh lord, um, how to counter the fever pitch, the wild allegations, the

utter journalistic irresponsibility, Uh, what would your council be? Well, I actually think the Trump administration handled it really well. They started their vetting during the primary campaign, not even not even in not waiting until they had the actual Republican nomination, but they started going through candidates figuring out who had the right approach to the law, this originalist

approach to whether something is constitutional or not. They looked to see had they shown that they have the right approach through multiple opinions and a track record that shows they're willing to make unpopular decisions that are correct under pressure. And they really did look for courage. Do they have the courage of their convictions? That's what you're going to

need to get through this type of process. One of the Supreme Court justices we talked to was kind of pointing out, if you can't make it through this brutal process, and it's kind of brutal for everyone to one degree or another, and then maybe you shouldn't be serving on

the court. You know, it requires a lot of courage to make the proper decision, and if you don't have if you don't if you can't make it through a tough process, then you might not have what it takes to withstand all the pressure that will be coming your way once you do sit on the court. You know, Molly Hemingway, we are fanboys here on the Armstrong and getting show for the term, and we're on all across the country, including in Washington, D C. And and uh, just hoping that we can get you on on a

regular basis to talk about that. We play clips from you and then pretend you're here. That's what we do. I love it, said Molly Hemingway. Hey, what a pleasure, terrific book. Can't wait to read it. And uh, and we appreciate the conversations. Why we got you on the line, I got to ask, I mean, we just finished when we're taping this two nights of Democratic debates. Who's going to be the nominee? Who do you think? I'm really

not sure. I think I'm really not sure. And until I am sure, I don't like to speculate too much. I think Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren are strong. I think there's something about Mary Ann Williamson that I wouldn't which I know it sounds absurd and crazy, but she's the only one that says anything actually interesting. Usually, how about my boy Yang, He's pretty fun, He's pretty interesting.

I don't know if his his what his platform is universal basic income and no circumcision, which I'm not sure how palatable that it's not my top five. Well well, well, but speaking of palatable, I mean, if any of the candidates run on health care for illegals, free healthcare for illegals, they don't have a chance of beating Trump, do they.

It was so interesting to watch these debates where you have the people desperately trying to plead with the more radical candidates to moderate their positions somewhat, and then the radical people getting very angry at being told that their ideas are too extreme for the general populus. So just watching that back and forth with people just think, can you please not be so crazy if we're gonna have if we're gonna have a shot of beating Trump, and

then the people saying nope, we're going to be crazier. Yeah, I think it's a stay right now, and it's amazing. You certainly wouldn't have guessed this a couple of years ago. Trump's gonna get reelected and win like forty eight states against some just crazy out there AOC green new deal healthcare for a legals candidate. Wow, what a historic moment

that will be. Um, it'll be interesting to watch. But I certainly think he has a lot of advantages right now that are under noted by people in the media. And of course, like the more crazy the people in the media get where they're just they're just becoming almost rabid in their dislike of Trump. Not almost that, they're totally rabbid, and it just makes it hard to take

them seriously when they try to levy critiques. It just comes off as absurd, all right, just an indulgence if you don't mind a few words on a couple of different people. Let's start with Brett Bear. What's Brett like? Oh, he's great. He's wonderful. So one of the two major shows that he comes on our show fairly regularly. We've had him on before. What are you doing? I've tried flatter and I'm gonna try shaming. I'm gonna see what works. Um,

But he's great. I really enjoyed. That's my favorite hour of television on each day. And I like the cow he handles the news and very thankful that he UM puts people on his panel who represent the viewpoints of a lot of Americans. Yeah, it's the best news show on television. Absolutely. He seems like a thoroughly distant human being.

Do you deny that? He's absolutely wonderful. That's good. And what was it like knowing, at least to some extent, Charles Krahammer, who also came on our show regular nay, oh stop it. I adored Charles and he was someone who at first, you know, we would just fight a lot, but then we would continue fighting off air because we enjoyed it so much. And he was also very encouraging.

You know a lot of people take things so personally in DC right now, where if you disagree with them, then they decide that you're evil and you're horrible and you're beneath contempt. And he had this idea that when people disagreed, they should explore that disagreement and talk about it and you know, figure out where that disagreement led. And he didn't take it personally, So he really was

encouraging in terms of um. You know, he and I definitely disagreed on a lot, you know, whether it's about Trump or foreign policy or whatnot, but we had fun in that disagreement. Yeah, you know, it's funny you should say that, because my dominant memories of Charles or number one, how funny he was um and number two, whenever I disagreed with him, I would think about it and think about it and think about it because I thought I needed, I need to have a really good case to disagree

with this guy. And you know, we need more people like that. You know, he comes from that group of people that were very anti Trump, but unlike so many of them, he wanted to understand why people like Trump and what they found appealing about him, and he was more humble about it than a lot of people are who just can't even understand how anybody could possibly vote for him. Well, that's doing it wrong. And Brett Show,

you gotta do it like they do on CNN. So you've got nine people on a panel and hey, guess what all nine of them agree, no disagreement. Yeah. Molly Hemingway Justice on Trial with Kavanaugh confirmation in the Future of the Supreme Court, which she wrote with Kerry Savarino, Molly, great to talk to you. I hope we can do it against soon. Thanks a milions, great, thank you, Thanks so you think I was successful on any level. I don't feel like I was. Were you trying to humiliate

yourself and me by extension? Well, then yes, you were successful. I thought, absolutely successful. I realized flattering was getting nowhere, right, So then I thought, these people that you like in respect, who are also big deals. They've come on the show multiple times. It was the what's the term transparency of the strategy that bothered me. Really, she's she's a serious woman. Yeah,

no doubt, which is great. I cannot wait to read this book because watching it unfold was so disgusting, and part of it is, you know, I sort of got My biggest fault is naivete. I can't believe people act so badly in such a big way, and and you can still suck air and sleep at night in the rest of it. It's astounding. You can't shock politicians can't

shock me at this point. But I do expect journalists to not sit on something that would could clear a guy of being a gang rapist, right, but that would interrupt the narrative. That's print Wait a minute, a piece of notebook paper unsigned arrived at add newspaper office. Let's go ahead and print that allegation. I mean, that's an abandonment of journalistic principles so astounding and egregious. If it

hadn't happened, I wouldn't believe it. And you know, if if, um, if the Weekly World News did that, I chuckle and think, well, everybody knows what they are. But for n NBC to do that, well, you know, let's screw him. That's I think of NBC about like I think about the Weekly World News. At this point, they have made their bed. By God, they wouldn't lie in it. I don't remember how we end these extra long podcasts. I think we

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