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a under attack from the president. We begin tonight with a series of admissions by the President that all but assures his impeachment in the House of Representatives, all but insurance his impeachment. We're living in a national nightmare upon us that's not very measured by sleepy eyes. Chuck Todd trying to figure out so that So that's Chuck Todd to meet the press, trying to figure out the currents here. So you got britt Hume of Fox here, senior political
analyst of Fox. He's their top guy who tweeted, as I've written before, Adam Schiff is a reckless partisan who is only credible to other reckless partisans. But for the President of the United States States to say he could meet in treason is despicable, It's insanity. Trying to figure out where we are with all this stuff is difficult, yes, yes, and the currents EBB and flow. Who better to discuss that with than David Drucker, the senior political correspondent for
the Washington Examiner. Speaking of top guys, David joins us. Now, Hello, David, how are you? I'm good to be here. Good, we're we're we're imported here. I don't I don't know what introm's supposed to use. I'm all confused. Well, do you believe a nationale whereas upon us never mind, don't answer that. We're employing what we call the impeachometer, and each unit of it is a Nixon and we are day to day trying to decide whether the impeechometer has moved closer
to the president being removed from officer further away. It's a lot like the nuclear clock, right, it's impeachment, right, exactly So, given the EBB and flow of news stories and counter stories, So what do you make of all this today? Well, you know, I think that we're in a period and I think this will continue for probably
for some time. But who knows where there are a number of facts that are coming out will come out that you know, will appear problematic for the President and give Democrats um reaffirm the Democrats belief that the impeachment inquiry was was the right course of action. I think, you know, the I think Republicans and the President will
simply take a different view of those same facts. And I think there are Republicans on Capitol Hill that will not necessarily agree with the President, but I don't think many of them will break with him unless we end up with a set of a set of information that is particularly obvious and damning and not a matter of debate. Yeah, you know, in that In that regard, it's going to be similar to the Russia investigation, where there was a lot of smoke, but there was never quite fire, at
least as the partisan looked at it. Yeah, the partisans, because I'm still waiting to see the first and I haven't yet either partisan pundit that that I follow, or person in my real life change their position on supporting Trump or not. I still haven't had one person yet, and I would think that that would have to happen before impeachment really gets going, because so far it's still it's people that they were on board for impeaching him over Russia UM or supporting him over Russia, and they're
in the same camp now. So I still haven't seen one person changed sides. Maybe you have, No, I haven't, And I mean I think that would be telling in terms of things turning against the president on Capitol Hill.
I do believe at this point that he is very likely to be impeached and very very unlikely to be removed, so and and and I say that because if you look at the the information that Democrats are citing and referring to as um making impeachment the right course of action, at least the inquiry, I don't see what they're going to find out that is going to cause them to say, yeah, all this information is true and exists, but now that we know more about the context of it, you know,
it's all it's not impeachable. I just do not see that happening. And I do not see the Democratic base being okay with that. But I don't even see them being okay with it. So I really think we're on course or impeachment UM. But at by the same token, you know, Republicans, whether this was strategic or not set the bar for legitimizing the impeachment inquiry and possibly entertaining impeachment as a quid pro quo in which he, you know, said to the to Ukraine, you can have this if
you give me that. And Republicans are insisting that is in no way the case. And so unless there's something that is just completely obvious that that is the case, even if Democrats say in the fact they think that might be the case, then I don't really see them moving. And in part it's because I'm not sure that Republican voters are going to move now. If they do move, that I think would produce a different reaction among Republicans on the hill. You know, we know they're afraid to
cross Trump. They don't want to get tweeted at problems and Republican primaries, but they don't want to cross their own voters. That's the bigger deal. As long as their voters are with Trump, there's very little motivation for them to move, no matter what they think. Privately, for folks just tuning in, we're talking to David Drucker with the
Washington and Examineries, their senior political correspondent. The big headline today impeachment wise, is that a couple of diplomatcy you've never heard of are exchanging texts in which one was saying, this is crazy. It looks like a quid pro quo. Um. You know, if they investigate Biden will do these things for them, And the other guy says, it ain't that. Why are you saying that? Stop saying that? Um. And there are a number of instances where diplomats feel like, Okay,
maybe it is a quid pro quote. But I'm always hesitant when the Democrats on a committee unleash um excerpts of something. I know they're carefully selected. And can we expect a Republican counter release today of texts? Well, I don't know, because I don't know what was withheld or not withheld, But I think that if such information was
with hell, I'm sure it will be released. I think your question gets to the larger issue of voters and Americans trying to figure out what's true and what's not, what to believe and what not to believe, what the context of things are. And I mean, I think it's incumbent upon Democrats as they make the political case for impeachment and impeachment is a political process of politics is not unimportant here. They're going to have to make the
case that the information proves the president acted improperly. At the very least, I think acting improperly would be enough of a case. By the way, um, if they're able to make it for Independence and Swing voters, two start to agree that impeachment and possibly removal is warranted. And I think that if you want to understand the long term political ramifications of this visa, you just watch Swing voters and Independence. A lot of them don't like Trump.
They've been very suspicious about impeachment as the proper course of action. Will those numbers change. We've seen some indications that those numbers are changing, But you're gonna have to see how this plays out over time. The president is going to continue to make an alternate case. He has a big megaphone. Sometimes the Democrats don't know how to do anything that's politically smart because for some reason, and
it's contects both parties. If you're a member of the House of Representatives, you're just clueless as to how to communicate to people who don't agree with you, and you think that stunts are actually a good idea Yeah, Adams Shifford doing himself no favors in terms of getting people on board. Finally, I think Nancy Pelosi. Nancy Pelosi is the most effective spokesman they have for this. She needs a deputy that's almost as good as her. Yeah, I
would say that's absolutely correct. Hey, a final question, David, is Rudy Giuliani the loosest cannon in the history of American politics? I mean honestly, that is, he may be more entertaining than the president. I mean honestly, and and by the way, Republicans are concerned about him because he is he's he's his own boss. He says what he wants when he wants. And I think if he, if the President were able to put him in a box somewhere,
they feel a love better. Out of time with David Drucker, senior political correspondent for The Washington CAAMA will have a link to find his latest pieces easily. David, Thanks, Milian, good to talk to you anytime.