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No person necessary called five six two three one four four six zero three for complete details before away. Bring on our yes. Talking about immigration and Trump's unveiling a major immigration proposal today that should, as far as I can tell, we're checking the polling on all the different points, should be overwhelmingly easily approved by our government since most people by far ear in favorite. The key part of
Trump's immigration idea is merit. Based the polling on that answer this question, Should our immigration system be based still on a person's ability to contribute to America? Eighty four percent agree with that, as opposed to should it be based on person having relatives in the United States? It's only least sixteen percent for that, so it's eighty four to sixteen prefer a merit baite system, which is what
Trump is gonna um uh talk about today. The lowest support for a merit based immigration system is among African Americans. It's still over two thirds for black people, seventy among self identified Democrats and liberals. Eighty three percent of Hispanic respondents agreed with that statement. This is a Harris poll out of Harvard, so that shouldn't be hard at all. But um because Trump. One of the things Trump is gonna put out there is he's not gonna lower the
number of people coming into the country. He's gonna keep that flat. That's one of the reasons this Republican strategist I'm reading about in this article says it's dead on arrival. The whole thing is dead on arrival. Interesting. Mark Corrian is a nationally recognized expert on immigration issues. He is the executive director for the Center for Immigration Studies and a frequent guest on the Armstrong and get A show and joins us. Now, Mark, how are you. I'm doing
very well? Thank you. I'm guessing there's some to love and some to dislike in this plan. What's your reaction to it? As you understand it thus far. Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it. There's a lot to love in this plan and it's got it's it's both illegal immigration measures. Some of this uh fixes to plug the loopholes that are actually incentivizing the Central Americans to come up across the border. And then also the part you were talking about, the merit based parts.
So what it does is it narrows the range of relatives you can bring in. You still bring in husbands, wives, and little kids, but it gets rid of some of the other categories for you know, adult brothers and sisters and what have you, and then moves all of those numbers over to a new merit based system. And I mean merit based is what the presidents called. It mean those people are better morally. It just means that they're more likely to be educated and skill that sort of thing.
That's all to the good. A country that wants to better educated, more skilled people coming in just off as fashion. Yeah, it is shocking and in fact a lot of lobbyists have been complaining, corporate lobbyists saying no, no, we need lots of uneducated um people to do you know, grunt work and stoop labor, And I'm like, this is a modern society, why do we want that. There's nothing wrong with them. In other words, they're not morally defective because
they didn't pass the sixth grade. They're regular people like anyone else. But what is a modern economy like ours? Why do we need more people with less education? It's just not right. Well, and you're in a weird class system if you. If you decide as a country, you know what we want is dumb people to do the kind of work we hate. We're gonna import a foreign underclass. Yeah.
It is kind of like the Middle East, you know, where they import people to do all of their work and then the Arab Chics and the rest of them just sit there and benefit from it. But and this is the one big problem I have with this is that this isn't really a bill that's going to pass. This is more like a statement of goals and principles, kind of like almost a campaign document. And I don't mean that in a bad way. It's just laying out what the White House is for on immigration, not just
what it's against. And that's good. The problem is it doesn't contain even a modest cut back in legal immigration. It embraces and endorses the current level of one point one million new immigrants every year. And that's a problem, especially in a document that is basically presenting itself as a sort of campaign platform, because the fact is that there are lots of problems with taking in more than one million new immigrants every year, even when the economy
is good like now. And it would be good if the White House followed through on the President's commitments from before, you know, he became president, during the campaign, where he said he wanted a more moderate, somewhat lower level of legal immigration. And it's just not in there. And I think that's a serious problem. Mark Corey and Executive Director, Center for Immigration Studies on the line talking about the president's new proposal. So listen, people spend their lives reading
in the mainstream media that immigration all immigration. Isn't that a positive? Um? So I think you need to at least briefly make the case why would you reduce lawful immigration. Uh, there's a lot of reasons. The basic overarching reason is that high levels of immigration are a problem for a modern society. In a way that wasn't the case a hundred or two hundred years ago. In other words, what's what the problem today is is not that the immigrants
are different. There are no better or worse than anybody else. They're just regular people. Our economy and our society and everything has changed. We have a post and the austrial knowledge based economy, we have a welfare state, we have an assimilation system in our schools and what have you
that isn't working very well. I mean, we're not even teaching our own kids what it is to be an American, let alone immigrant kids or kids from immigrant families who don't you know, who don't know and so and even um the security aspect of immigration. If we're gonna let in lots more skilled immigrants, that means lots more people from China and India, and frankly, the Chinese have been aggressively using foreign students and immigrants as um, you know,
for their for espionage purposes. It doesn't mean all of them, and most of them are just regular people, but it's a serious problem. And so the fact is that high levels of immigration, however you arrange it, are a problem for a modern society like ours. And acknowledging that just by saying maybe cutting the level five or ten percent in this proposal would acknowledge that there are problems there
that we need to deal with. And frankly, there was just pulling by the same Harvard Paris poll that you just referred to, where they asked people, what do you think the president's number one priority should be? And among people who voted for Trump, almost the same percentage said reducing immigration as did say build the wall, and both of those were the number one and number two goals
for people who voted for Trump. People identify as Republicans or Conservatives, so this is an important issue for his base, and I think they're misreading their own voters concerns by ignoring all together concerns about taking in, like I said, one point one million new immigrants every year. All right, let's touch on one more thing, at least briefly, if you can, uh the way the immigration system is being exploited currently by the cartels, the human track pickers, and
what this measure does about that. You mentioned removing some of the incentives for for flouting the system. What stands out. Yeah, we haven't seen all the details yet, but it's almost certain they are going to be things. Uh, they're going to be measures, for instance, to fix the rule that we're currently stuck with that says you can't keep a minor an the illegal immigrant under eighteen in detention for
more than twenty days. What that means is if you bring a kid with you and then we detain you because you're an illegal immigrant, or say you're applying for asylum. Um, but it takes a while for that case to work out, and most people don't get asylum, they just use it
as a way of getting past the border patrol. But if you bring a kid with you, we either have to let the kid go within three weeks and split the family by keeping the adult in detention and exactly, or we let the parent go to And so what has now become is if you bring a kid with you, that kid is a ticket to guaranteed release into the
United States. Whether you end up showing up for hearings or what have you after, that is something we don't have any control over, right And the cars literally yeah, they're advertising with the cartels are advertising in Central America, bring a kid with you. It's a golden ticket into the US, and people are taking them up on that offer. And that has to be fixed. That's one of the
things in this proposal that would be fixed. We are going to check in with Mark tomorrow when the details of the plan come out, and we will look forward to that market Coryon and the Center for Immigration Studies. Thanks Mark, good to talk to you. We'll talk to you. Thank you, all right. And one aspect of this plane that I really really like is it says, look, you apply for refugee status in your country period. You don't
show up without an appointment. You can't do that at your hair salon and ala, go to a barbershop and you can, but you know you can't do that virtually anywhere of seriousness. Doctor's office, denis officers, Hey, I need a cleaning, just doesn't work that way. You apply for refugee status in your country period, you can't show up and demand to be let in. So the biggest change would be to switch in the merit based I mean, that would be standing our current system on its head.
But if if organizations like MARS organization and I understand his argument, I could even agree with him. But if you're gonna pick out yeah, but I don't like this part, and then you always get to that we need comprehensive and comprehensive never happens. There is a reason why we can't just do one of these at a time. Just decide everybody in America practically agrees merit based is better than family, let's pass that. Do it. Then get to how many or the refugee or whatever other thing we're
gonna deal with. Well, the political parties would tell you, and this is a two part answer, the political parties would tell you that, well, if you do it one chunk at a time, you've removed some of the horses. I wanted to trade for this other thing. Um, you give me merit based. Well, I was gonna trade that. I was gonna put that up against how I said, do something for the docapee. But how is that something to trade when everybody agrees on it. Well, that's not
just a Republican issue or a Democrat. We went through the polling. Everybody wants that, which brings me to part two of the answer. The parties are lying to you all the time about what they want to do and what they're gonna do on immigration. They both want the issue to remain. You solve the issue, you lose it as an issue. I mean I understand trading DOCCA for they have to speak English. Those are two completely different
sides of the argument. But everybody wants the merit based It's just not even close, right, Yeah, yeah, well this is true, and people who listen to the show now know it. You will not hear that from the big American media. I can scan the big American media stories I've seen so far, I don't recall if they've addressed it. I have a feeling they haven't. Well, Democrats nearly over the near unanimity among the American people on certain main
points of the plan. The Democratic and Republican strategies have seen. It's all said, there's not a chance that this is gonna happen. So that's just fantas no way to run a country, no kidding. When the weather outside is rightful, The hunt Santa Fe is what's the word delightful because it's got available eight track all wheel drive to make
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